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Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 03:11 AM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

DigiFluid
September 16th, 2008, 03:16 AM
I lol'd

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 03:17 AM
I lol'd

lol it was half joke half serious :D

Mike1989
September 16th, 2008, 03:31 AM
I suppose it would appeal to some and if it progressed to a storyline in the actual show then fair enough. If it was just sex scene for the sake of it, then I'd probably say keep it out and use the time more wisely. As it might also alienate some fans, or some parents from allowing their kids to watch it if it contained such things.

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 03:34 AM
I suppose it would appeal to some and if it progressed to a storyline in the actual show then fair enough. If it was just sex scene for the sake of it, then I'd probably say keep it out and use the time more wisely. As it might also alienate some fans, or some parents from allowing their kids to watch it if it contained such things.

Very true, but the smart kids wouldn;t let their parents watch the show with them. Then they would keep it a secret, tell all their mates about this awesome booby show at school, then all the high school guys would be on to it like a flash and abra kedabra, u have a high rating show!

Mike1989
September 16th, 2008, 03:46 AM
One slight problem with that, if the show feature sex or masses of violence it would be featured at a certain time. For example in the UK it would have to be past the water shed which is 9pm if I'm not mistaken. Not sure how it works in the States or other countries, but nudity, sex scenes etc would be placed after 9pm. Therefore depending on the age of the kid, some will be in bed and some might not have access to these channels at these times. So their parents would probably know about it. Plus is nudity and sex scenes, or just nudity something that is needed in series?

For me, no. But I suppose its everyone to their own on that one.

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 03:50 AM
One slight problem with that, if the show feature sex or masses of violence it would be featured at a certain time. For example in the UK it would have to be past the water shed which is 9pm if I'm not mistaken. Not sure how it works in the States or other countries, but nudity, sex scenes etc would be placed after 9pm. Therefore depending on the age of the kid, some will be in bed and some might not have access to these channels at these times. So their parents would probably know about it. Plus is nudity and sex scenes, or just nudity something that is needed in series?

For me, no. But I suppose its everyone to their own on that one.

yeah i know, i sorta started this thread as a joke to make fun of the whole 'younger audience' premise that they seem to be going for. I actually really dont think it would fit in and is not wat i watch stargate for, if i wanted that i would go rent a dvd from the back corner of the video store lol

Mike1989
September 16th, 2008, 03:59 AM
Yea I kinda realised that after one of the above posts. But I suppose they'd find a way around it if they wanted to feature it. After all the latest Batman movie in the UK got a 12A, that film should have been at least a 15 with what it featured.

As for the younger audience thing, its all well and nice trying to draw them in but I'm not sure how many younger people are interested in Sci-Fi. As if you mention X-Files, Stargate etc in a class room whether it be high school or college, some think of it as being a very geeky show. Or Sci-Fi being geeky. So they will have to do a lot to turn around some of the younger audience who think Sci-Fi is for geeks.

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 04:13 AM
Yea I kinda realised that after one of the above posts. But I suppose they'd find a way around it if they wanted to feature it. After all the latest Batman movie in the UK got a 12A, that film should have been at least a 15 with what it featured.

As for the younger audience thing, its all well and nice trying to draw them in but I'm not sure how many younger people are interested in Sci-Fi. As if you mention X-Files, Stargate etc in a class room whether it be high school or college, some think of it as being a very geeky show. Or Sci-Fi being geeky. So they will have to do a lot to turn around some of the younger audience who think Sci-Fi is for geeks.

lol at uni the other day this girl asked me what my favourite shows were, i said stargate, 24 and scrubs, and i got the barrage of laughter i expected when i said stargate......

Aer'ki
September 16th, 2008, 04:23 AM
If you try to make Stargate into something that it's not, you will lose fans, not gain them.

kymeric
September 16th, 2008, 05:56 AM
Space porn? XD

Chevron Atlantis
September 16th, 2008, 06:03 AM
Space porn? XD

:lol: Space porn, I am surprised that the mods are allowing this but anyways.

I think this is a stupid idea, because they want to make it more family friendly, so having explicit things is not on RCC BW agenda, this is how I see it.

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 06:08 AM
:lol: Space porn, I am surprised that the mods are allowing this but anyways.

I think this is a stupid idea, because they want to make it more family friendly, so having explicit things is not on RCC BW agenda, this is how I see it.



RCC and BW, they don;t have an agenda, they did a few years ago, now they are just using those stories to tell the exact same stories in different places. First it was the SGC, then it was in some city, now it's gonna be on some space ship

Jeff O'Connor
September 16th, 2008, 06:12 AM
Maybe a bit of hard core nudity?

No, no, no.

ciannwn
September 16th, 2008, 06:24 AM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

You probably did see some nude alien chicks in SG1. Some of the Asgard could have been girls. :D

jenks
September 16th, 2008, 07:13 AM
I'd rather the writers just treated nudity as if it weren't an issue, if a story calls for some then put it in, if not then don't. As for losing fans, that's impossible, the show hasn't even started yet, there aren't any fans to lose.

The Prophet
September 16th, 2008, 07:20 AM
It'd be an incentive.

Any numbers lost would be regained, if the new target audience is attracted well enough.

quade_1
September 16th, 2008, 08:28 AM
i would like to see a naked three breasted alien!!!

Jeff O'Connor
September 16th, 2008, 09:31 AM
i would like to see a naked three breasted alien!!!

And you live in Vancouver, at that. I seriously hope you don't influence the industry...

jds1982
September 16th, 2008, 01:37 PM
i would like to see a naked three breasted alien!!!

Watch Total Recall then.

Pharaoh Atem
September 16th, 2008, 01:42 PM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

not as long as Brad wright draws breath

Reiko
September 16th, 2008, 01:45 PM
not as long as Brad wright draws breath

Wait 'til Mallozzi and Mullie get passed the torch, though :P

Pharaoh Atem
September 16th, 2008, 01:47 PM
Wait 'til Mallozzi and Mullie get passed the torch, though :P

Brad himself is we editing COTG so he can edit that out and give it a stronger opening

he also has said in a gw interview stargate should never have nudity in it

jelgate
September 16th, 2008, 02:28 PM
I think that would make me leave the franchise forever.

_Famrir_
September 16th, 2008, 02:49 PM
starship porn?

Sameera
September 16th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Well I realize this was for the most part a joke I just gave a moments thought to it as though it were up for consideration.

I would have to say that I don't really think that in most situations within what we know to be stargate that nudity has much of a place.

I would be fine with it if it were however done only on occasion and nothing like sex scenes.

I'm not personally offended by nudity, it is just the human body but I for one don't want it to become a point in the direction of the show just to get as much flesh on the screen as possible and detract from the story.

I guess an instance where it may be ok is if they were on a planet and talking to someone and a alien woman walked by in the background without a top on, or much for a top on. Not trying to get in on the shot, just walk through, barely noticeable. I suppose if it fits with the culture of the planet then such a thing wouldn't detract from the story.

I guess in the end all I am saying is that if they did have nudity it shouldn't be so abundant that it detracts from the story or characters. If this were a show that nudity made more sense in (like a relationship drama) then I wouldn't care if they had it featured a lot more. Though if it really were a relationship drama, I don't think I would be watching it.

ykickamoocow
September 16th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Just a qick question.

Is there such thing as hardcore nudity?

i know there is such thing as hardcore sex scenes but ive never hear the term "hardcore nudity".

Jack_Bauer
September 16th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Just a qick question.

Is there sich thing as hardcore nudity?

i know there is such thing as hardcore sex scenes but ive never hear the term "hardcore nudity".

yeah its just a sort of phrase here which has no real meaning, i guess it would mean an 'extreme nude scene' or something like that.

quade_1
September 16th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Watch Total Recall then.

damnit well if its already been done, then how about a 2nd set of breasts on their back?

and on a serious note they would never do it. Brad Wright said they never liked the nudity in Children of the Gods, but showtime insisted on it. I don't know if they are planning on repackaging the original or reshooting the entire thing. But he said they would like to redo it.

ciannwn
September 17th, 2008, 06:05 AM
Why does it always have to be naked chicks? What about some naked guys for us girls to appreciate? :D

ykickamoocow
September 17th, 2008, 06:07 AM
Why does it always have to be naked chicks? What about some naked guys for us girls to appreciate? :D

It certainly doesnnt bother me. I am of the opinion that if the script calls for a character to be naked then they may as well show it instead of using weird film techniques to hid it from the audience.

Pandora's_Box
September 17th, 2008, 06:29 AM
yeah its just a sort of phrase here which has no real meaning, i guess it would mean an 'extreme nude scene' or something like that.

Okay, that made me laugh. What's that? Like fighting aliens while naked?

As for nudity on SGU in general, eh.

Nudity on TV is normally indicative of a show that features either a) sex as a means to an end or b) is simply attempting to boost ratings by creating controversy or being different.

Unforunately, as much as I wish it were the case, nudity is not a non-issue in the media. You can't just have someone walking topless in the background and have it be nothing or just be a custom of a strange new world because that is all that people who watch the episode will fixate on. "OMG! Boobies!" They'll say. Then parents will be outraged because their poor precious childrens' eyes have been violated by something "so horrible and outrageous as bare breasts", the FCC will get involved, it'll be all blown out of proportion.

Although, the show (at least SGA) does air late enough that the FCC can't get involved. And I think the FCC can't really say anything about what airs on cable channels anyway, but I'm sure that if the outrage is big enough, they'll find a way.

I wish we lived in a day and age where nudity could just be and no one would care. Or if they did care they's have enough respect for their fellow man to just leave it be and change the freaking channel. But we don't.

ykickamoocow
September 17th, 2008, 06:52 AM
Okay, that made me laugh. What's that? Like fighting aliens while naked?

As for nudity on SGU in general, eh.

Nudity on TV is normally indicative of a show that features either a) sex as a means to an end or b) is simply attempting to boost ratings by creating controversy or being different.

Unforunately, as much as I wish it were the case, nudity is not a non-issue in the media. You can't just have someone walking topless in the background and have it be nothing or just be a custom of a strange new world because that is all that people who watch the episode will fixate on. "OMG! Boobies!" They'll say. Then parents will be outraged because their poor precious childrens' eyes have been violated by something "so horrible and outrageous as bare breasts", the FCC will get involved, it'll be all blown out of proportion.

Although, the show (at least SGA) does air late enough that the FCC can't get involved. And I think the FCC can't really say anything about what airs on cable channels anyway, but I'm sure that if the outrage is big enough, they'll find a way.

I wish we lived in a day and age where nudity could just be and no one would care. Or if they did care they's have enough respect for their fellow man to just leave it be and change the freaking channel. But we don't.

The thing with all Stargate (whether it be SG1, SGA or SGU) is that they are supposedly visiting thousands of planets across several galaxies and yet every single planet they seem to go to seems to have the same morality code as Americans. It would actually be far more realistic if they went to the occasional planet where the people there wore little to no clothing.

Pandora's_Box
September 17th, 2008, 07:07 AM
The thing with all Stargate (whether it be SG1, SGA or SGU) is that they are supposedly visiting thousands of planets across several galaxies and yet every single planet they seem to go to seems to have the same morality code as Americans. It would actually be far more realistic if they went to the occasional planet where the people there wore little to no clothing.

I'm not saying that's not the case. That's actually why I think it would be more realistic to show some nudity on SGU than anywhere else.

But the fact of the matter remains that it won't happen because of the reasons I stated above. TPTB may wish to do it in a mature fashion and they probably could, but public perception will warp it into something it's not.

quade_1
September 17th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Why does it always have to be naked chicks? What about some naked guys for us girls to appreciate? :D

ok how about an alien with a p*nis hanging from his forehead?


what if SGU encounter a planet where the civilization hasn't produced clothing and it happens to be on a nice sandy beach, but the twist is that the women have an extra chromosome where they can't live with men, so they killed them all off and are now trying to kill the men on the SGU team?

Pandora's_Box
September 17th, 2008, 07:34 AM
ok how about an alien with a p*nis hanging from his forehead?

It's comments like that and ones about women wih breasts on thier backs that make it harder for nudity to be shown in any form in any media with a minimum of controversy.



what if SGU encounter a planet where the civilization hasn't produced clothing and it happens to be on a nice sandy beach, but the twist is that the women have an extra chromosome where they can't live with men, so they killed them all off and are now trying to kill the men on the SGU team?

Why haven't they developed clothing? It can't be just because the weather is warm. Clothing provides more than just warmth, it provides protection from the elements and from environmental hazards. Why can't they just choose to be scantily clad when the occasion doesn't call for clothing?

quade_1
September 17th, 2008, 08:14 AM
It's comments like that and ones about women wih breasts on thier backs that make it harder for nudity to be shown in any form in any media with a minimum of controversy.

its a joke, nudity is a taboo in america and its not because of comments


Why haven't they developed clothing? It can't be just because the weather is warm. Clothing provides more than just warmth, it provides protection from the elements and from environmental hazards. Why can't they just choose to be scantily clad when the occasion doesn't call for clothing?

why not? its scifi, anything can happen

ciannwn
September 17th, 2008, 08:44 AM
ok how about an alien with a p*nis hanging from his forehead?

Well, you never know with aliens. :D I'm always amused by the idea that hot alien chicks are going to look like humans. All that would matter to them is that they looked hot to the males of their own species even if they seemed like something out of a nightmare to humans. Humans would probably look like something out of a nightmare to them as well. :)

Madeleine
September 17th, 2008, 08:45 AM
I've no problem with nudity, and it's been used to good effect in Doctor Who a couple of times, which shows that nudity doesn't have to make a show too adult/pervy for little ones.

But if it's all about "awesome boobies" so that "high school guys would be on to it like a flash", then...

:comeon: :zelenka26: :samanime15:


I'd rather the writers just treated nudity as if it weren't an issue, if a story calls for some then put it in, if not then don't.

Yup.

Pandora's_Box
September 17th, 2008, 08:46 AM
its a joke, nudity is a taboo in america and its not because of comments

The comments certainly don't help and they certainly don't lend credibility to the topic at hand that's for sure.



why not? its scifi, anything can happen

I like it when stuff happens with good sound reasoning and logic behind it. Otherwise, it's just gratuitous and the last thing we need is more meaningless nudity. It's just degrading and rather against the overall point of trying to get it, those who show it, or don't mind seeing it taken seriously.

Madeleine
September 17th, 2008, 08:48 AM
Just a qick question.

Is there such thing as hardcore nudity?

i know there is such thing as hardcore sex scenes but ive never hear the term "hardcore nudity".

Perhaps 'softcore' nudity is where the character is clearly naked, but the rude bits are subtly shielded by a tactical prop. Hardcore nudity would involve displaying more than a swimming cozzie shows.

jenks
September 17th, 2008, 09:44 AM
ok how about an alien with a p*nis hanging from his forehead?

[..]

Have you been watching The Wrong Door?

WingedPegasus
September 17th, 2008, 10:15 AM
No.

That is all.

quade_1
September 17th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Have you been watching The Wrong Door?

never heard of it, i guess there really is no more such thing as a new idea anymore :(

they should just steal the ballchinian from Men In Black II

Jeff O'Connor
September 17th, 2008, 12:02 PM
I don't think hardcore nudity is outside Wright's potential plans for the series right now.

Major_Griff
September 17th, 2008, 12:03 PM
I don't think hardcore nudity is outside Wright's potential plans for the series right now.

Considering the fact that he's going back to edit out the nudity from CotG, I'd say that it is outside of BW's plans.

Jeff O'Connor
September 17th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Considering the fact that he's going back to edit out the nudity from CotG, I'd say that it is outside of BW's plans.

I'm just being snarky. :p

Osiris-RA
September 17th, 2008, 12:11 PM
I don't want to see nudity just for the sake of nudity. Its boring, crass and makes you miss actual plot while you're scrambling for the clicker to turn the butt/peep show, but the stupid clicker has somehow fallen behind the couch so by the time you find it, something has blown up and you don't know why because you were looking for the stupid clicker to turn to stupid pointless nekkid scene that doesn't even explain why the thing blew up!

And frankly...people's butts ain't pretty. They think they are, I know, but they're not. Toddling around nude should be restricted to babies who need diapers and don't know any better.

And naked multi-boobed aliens...um...yeaaahhh...*calls a therapist for this thread* :rolleyes:

Sooooo, a classy SG spinoff that isn't targeted towards the High School Musical crowd is completely out of the question? :confused:

Pharaoh Atem
September 17th, 2008, 12:22 PM
I think that would make me leave the franchise forever.

same here on BSG it makes sense but not on a family centric tv show like SGU and SG in general

jenks
September 17th, 2008, 12:52 PM
Stargate isn't a family show, SG-1 seasons 1-7 were but that's about it.

quade_1
September 17th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I don't want to see nudity just for the sake of nudity. Its boring, crass and makes you miss actual plot while you're scrambling for the clicker to turn the butt/peep show, but the stupid clicker has somehow fallen behind the couch so by the time you find it, something has blown up and you don't know why because you were looking for the stupid clicker to turn to stupid pointless nekkid scene that doesn't even explain why the thing blew up!


Thats the beauty of PVR!!!

Lythisrose
September 17th, 2008, 04:51 PM
I'm sure the writers will be able to find some logical, reason for the nubile, young studs and babes to rip each other's clothes off....
Probably in the contracts they will be signing.
Even if it's with "strategic" placement of objects and lighting, I bet we get a few butt shots and heaving bosoms for artistic reasons only, mind you.

wkw427
September 17th, 2008, 05:17 PM
No with a side of wtd
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The scene in The Tower was on the edge of my limit, and I'm an average 16 year old boy who likes tooking at pretty women..

But sex doesn't mix with stargate.

BubblingOverWithIdeas
September 17th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Perhaps not hard core nudity, but if they're going to make it younger and prettier they might as well include sex. (Playing devil's advocate). After all, there was sex on SG-1 once or twice.

the fifth man
September 17th, 2008, 06:01 PM
Considering the fact that he's going back to edit out the nudity from CotG, I'd say that it is outside of BW's plans.

I would have to agree with you on that.:)

LostCityGuardian
September 17th, 2008, 06:38 PM
The scene in The Tower was on the edge of my limit, and I'm an average 16 year old boy who likes tooking at pretty women..



That's a pretty high bar. I thought it was pretty tame, myself. But then, the question that goes hand in hand with that is, "did the scene require it to go further". The answer, for the Tower, was no (to be fair, the blonde chick wasn't that hot anyway).

BubblingOverWithIdeas
September 17th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Considering the fact that he's going back to edit out the nudity from CotG, I'd say that it is outside of BW's plans.

He's what! Oh, that's just silly. The human body is nothing to be ashamed of, and it's too late for a retcon. No one's mind gets warped by seeing nudity.

Alan Wake
September 17th, 2008, 09:19 PM
The thing with all Stargate (whether it be SG1, SGA or SGU) is that they are supposedly visiting thousands of planets across several galaxies and yet every single planet they seem to go to seems to have the same morality code as Americans. It would actually be far more realistic if they went to the occasional planet where the people there wore little to no clothing.

I think this is the closest thing you will ever get to seeing anything close to nudity in stargate. :zelenka25:
If you don't count the original movie.


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/Soroern12/StargateSG1.jpg

This is a joke btw.

prion
September 18th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Unless SGU suddenly goes to cable like Showtime or HBO, you're not going to get your 'hardcore' nudity, which I would means full frontal. If the franchise wants to keep its audience, it won't do nudity, if it does, it'll lose the family aspect in a flash (pardon the pun).

wkw427
September 18th, 2008, 01:39 PM
That's a pretty high bar. I thought it was pretty tame, myself. But then, the question that goes hand in hand with that is, "did the scene require it to go further". The answer, for the Tower, was no (to be fair, the blonde chick wasn't that hot anyway).

Yes, I am quite tame. Some scenes make me hate entire epidodes. For example, the one in S1 where Carter is in a tank top...

Sex bad in my mind

Romance is fine. I like all of the romance scenes in SG pretty much, but when it is saying SEX, I don't like it

Jack_Bauer
September 18th, 2008, 05:02 PM
With the casting call coming out this week, I have a funny feeling that there might actualy be some nudity, or at least some alcohol induced partying from the college student (or watever she is) who was the daughter of the Senator.

prion
September 18th, 2008, 07:19 PM
With the casting call coming out this week, I have a funny feeling that there might actualy be some nudity, or at least some alcohol induced partying from the college student (or watever she is) who was the daughter of the Senator.

Chloe? Well, if she's a party girl, she probably got blotto and has incrminating photos up on Facebook (no wait, her father would take care of those). Maybe he kicked her into outer space to make her shape up. Anyway, dragging along kids (even if they're of legal age) on a spaceship in another galaxy where they serve no useful purpose is just stupid.

Miroslav
September 18th, 2008, 11:33 PM
I hope so, like T'Pol in ENT. :D (Harbinger :D)

Empress Vajnraa
September 19th, 2008, 03:18 AM
I wouldn't mind some Nudity either ;)
The 40-something team leader on the casting sheet gets my vote. :vala:

g.o.d
September 19th, 2008, 03:20 AM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

I agree, but BW won't allow it:(

NKDietrich
September 19th, 2008, 03:27 AM
Not going to happen. Brad Wright doesn't want it, SciFi doesn't want it, and there is no situation in which you can't just use implied nudity/nekkid back shots. Anything else is just a cheap shortcut to elicit a physical reaction from the viewer.

All it would do is scare off the fans who don't want to see it. Without nudity, the people who want nudity will probably still watch, but it doesn't work the other way around.

All in all I think you're asking for Stargate to stop being Stargate, and to be honest they are already straying too far from the path on SG:U.

Miroslav
September 19th, 2008, 03:58 AM
@NK Dietrich
"All it would do is scare off the fans"

What kind of man would be scared to see some nice melons? Me not, especialiy in live action. :D :D

Trig
September 19th, 2008, 04:42 AM
Maybe they should do a stargate after hours show the same as they did with holyoaks over here in the UK, or baywatch nights, then you get the family show and the after 9pm we wanna see boobs crowd :lol:


/joke

NKDietrich
September 19th, 2008, 05:28 AM
Hollyoaks Only thing I want brought over that was ever on Hollyoaks is Gemma Atkinson! Except she is 24 so probably too old.
Baywatch Nights Thats one show Im glad didn't last.

Ackeb
September 19th, 2008, 11:13 PM
If its tastefully done I'm all for it. Only nudity I can remember from Stargate would be in the SG-1 pilot, when Sharea (Pardon the spelling) was being taken as a host.

quade_1
September 20th, 2008, 10:53 AM
maybe there is only one shower on the Destiny and no locks.

i don't care if there is or isn't nudity, aslong as the story is good. If they can write in a good nude shot then so be it, but if they can't, then leave it out.

Jack_Bauer
July 12th, 2009, 01:26 AM
Revival Post :D

So what do people think of this topic now?

TBA
July 12th, 2009, 02:17 AM
Well, seeing as I'm a young guy, I surely won't mind if there's a bit of nude in it.

Phenom
July 12th, 2009, 05:07 AM
Revival Post :D

So what do people think of this topic now?

Surprisingly I still like boobs.

Who would have thought....

If a relationship developed and a logical extension of that part of the story was for some sort of love scene or whatever, then yeah chuck it in. But lets be honest, we don't watch Stargate for boobs do we?

If you are, then by god you need to try google for your nudity needs :)

MechaThor
July 12th, 2009, 06:39 AM
I am all for Nudity, if handled with reason. Especially if it involves the new Doctor woman (sorry I still don't know all their names). :sheppard:

However its got to be for a plot based reason. This is not because i have some taboo against seeing sex and the sight of naked boobs, as I don't, in fact I welcome it. However I don't want to see Stargate one of my fav TV shows turn into some Hollyoaks style Smut feast. If there is to be a sex scene it needs to effect the character development and have a lasting effect on the show and characters and not just some random Starship Troopers style shower seen where they are all standing around naked having a shower while talking about some strange alien signal they picked up.

Coronach
July 12th, 2009, 07:24 AM
If a relationship developed and a logical extension of that part of the story was for some sort of love scene or whatever, then yeah chuck it in. But lets be honest, we don't watch Stargate for boobs do we?


I totally agree (and I can't green you at the moment :(). I wouldn't be opposed to nudity if it fit with whatever story they were telling. We've certainly seen nudity (to varying degrees) in past Stargate, so I can imagine we'll see something similar to that for SGU (though probably nothing like CotG ever again).

Madwelshboy
July 12th, 2009, 08:08 AM
I agree with these guys, i have no issues about the inclusion of nudity as long as its not there just for just to have it. After all its a TV show, not porn.

Orion Antreas
July 12th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Personally, I don't believe it would be needed to advance relationships and emotions.

I am an 18-year old guy, but if I want to see that stuff, there are other avenues out there to do that. I believe no matter what, the reasons provided for having nudity put in, even if it 'works', it's gonna be viewed by people (not all, but some) as just a wasteful thing thrown in that (really doesn't contribute to character development or emotions) attract the group of people who are appealed to that stuff.

So, yeah. Personally, I don't believe it is needed and I am about 99% sure we won't have nudity. We will most likely have some sex scenes, but they will be made somewhat obscure to make it appropriate for television.

Promethius30
July 12th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Somehow i think HardCORE nudity would alienate more fans than it would bring.

Puddle-Jumper
July 12th, 2009, 11:01 AM
Down boy

lmoroney
July 12th, 2009, 11:26 AM
I am all for Nudity, if handled with reason. Especially if it involves the new Doctor woman (sorry I still don't know all their names). :sheppard:

However its got to be for a plot based reason. ]

Kinda reminds me of the Anime show 'Infinite Ryvius' where a bunch of young 'uns get trapped on a spacecraft with no way of stopping it.

In the rush to get aboard, one guy was in the shower (or something like that) and got on naked. You see him in the background in many scenes attempting to hide his family jewels.

Maybe SGU could do likewise??? :sam:

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 11:44 AM
Hmm me too i wouldint mind some mild nudity but not alot as i dont want to start seeing the show as some Si-Fi porno lol but

Some mild nudity would proberlly do but im mean not a lot that would put me off lmao

Eternal Density
July 12th, 2009, 03:31 PM
From established precedent (and taking the imminent Final Cut version of COTG) I can say pretty certainly that there won't be any.
And thanks to JM, we know how the shower block is laid out...
http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/img_2910.jpg
(link rather than img tags because it's ginormous)

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 03:36 PM
From established precedent (and taking the imminent Final Cut version of COTG) I can say pretty certainly that there won't be any.
And thanks to JM, we know how the shower block is laid out...
http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/img_2910.jpg
(link rather than img tags because it's ginormous)

Lol nice who did you have to sleep with to get hold of those secret plans lmao XD

Eternal Density
July 12th, 2009, 03:41 PM
One of the designers, of course. John Sheppard's not the only one who knows a lot of ascended women.
p.s. read this for truth (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/june-30-2009-the-things-that-creeped-me-out-as-a-child-still-creep-me-out-today/)

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 03:47 PM
hahaha nice one m8 what base did you get her to lol joking XD

jenks
July 12th, 2009, 03:56 PM
The censorship is over the top in the US, I'm not even sure if SyFy is allowed to show nudity...

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 03:59 PM
The censorship is over the top in the US, I'm not even sure if SyFy is allowed to show nudity...

What!!!!!!! your kidding thats ridiculous not even mild nudity :(

jenks
July 12th, 2009, 04:01 PM
I think they can show nudity from the back etc, but they cut the nudity out of the pilot, that seemed too much for them.

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 04:02 PM
I think they can show nudity from the back etc, but they cut the nudity out of the pilot, that seemed too much for them.

Hmm i see were there going but not even allowed to show breasts lol thats stupid

Eternal Density
July 12th, 2009, 04:08 PM
It's not stupid, it's appropriate.

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 04:10 PM
It's not stupid, it's appropriate.

I dont think it is i think its stupid i mean its syfy we have to have sexy aliens and what not that dont know about clothing they cant all have clothing just making my piont but thats me

DigiFluid
July 12th, 2009, 04:10 PM
Yeah, because the human figure is OFFENSIVE and EVIL.

....But it's a-okay to shoot and blow non-Earth people up because they don't follow the Western model of democracy or worship the Judaeo-Christian god.

jenks
July 12th, 2009, 04:14 PM
It's not stupid, it's appropriate.

What's your reasoning?

Eternal Density
July 12th, 2009, 04:18 PM
If they aren't careful, it won't get past the Great Australian Firewall :P

(Plus, we'll forget to pay attention to what the characters are saying and miss the entire plot if we forget that they exist above the neck as well as below.)

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 04:21 PM
If they aren't careful, it won't get past the Great Australian Firewall :P

(Plus, we'll forget to pay attention to what the characters are saying and miss the entire plot if we forget that they exist above the neck as well as below.)


Hahaha lol he speaks the truth i can see it in his eyes lol

bfldworker
July 12th, 2009, 04:36 PM
i would like to see a naked three breasted alien!!!


LOL I just had a flash back of a scene in Enterprise Season 1 Broken Bow where Travis says "First hand, Second hand and Third Hand".

bfldworker
July 12th, 2009, 04:40 PM
Hmm i see were there going but not even allowed to show breasts lol thats stupid



I take it you haven't seen the Mini Series of Caprica. Especially the first scene where there are Boobs, Buts and a near miss of a penis.

Now granted I am sure there is an other version of those scenes waiting to be shown on Sci-fi (Of sorry SyFy, how friggen stupid is that name).

Personally, I feel that nudity in Sci-fi isn't a bad or good thing. It is naive of people to think of Science Fiction is technobabble, blue women and multi limbed aliens. Now granted I am more then certain that there will be a numbnut out there that will cry they are ruining science fiction by having a female Nipple in a scene. Screw em. They don't like it, they can tune into Little House on the Prairie.

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 04:48 PM
I take it you haven't seen the Mini Series of Caprica. Especially the first scene where there are Boobs, Buts and a near miss of a penis.

Now granted I am sure there is an other version of those scenes waiting to be shown on Sci-fi (Of sorry SyFy, how friggen stupid is that name).

Personally, I feel that nudity in Sci-fi isn't a bad or good thing. It is naive of people to think of Science Fiction is technobabble, blue women and multi limbed aliens. Now granted I am more then certain that there will be a numbnut out there that will cry they are ruining science fiction by having a female Nipple in a scene. Screw em. They don't like it, they can tune into Little House on the Prairie.

Yay finally someone who i can sort of relate to i know what you mean they show breasts in movies in documentrys so why not syfy btw i only write it like that because its easier lol but yes wow a nipple big crisis now its like they make it out to be nipple omg there in trouble now its like who hasent seen one before GOD!!!!

lol but thats just me

Eternal Density
July 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Hahaha lol he speaks the truth i can see it in his eyes lolgreat, now you've made me think:
SomeCharacter: "She speaks the truth, I can see it in her... eyes.
SomeOtherCharacter: "Yeah, because that's where you were looking."

And in regards to what quade_1 was just quoted as saying, just yesterday I happened to independently think of the related phrase, "That would be a useful mutation... if you had *triplets*."
You know, that could have made Anise a much more interesting character...
(and 50% harder to drown, if you know what I mean)

SGU Scotsman
July 12th, 2009, 05:06 PM
great, now you've made me think:
SomeCharacter: "She speaks the truth, I can see it in her... eyes.
SomeOtherCharacter: "Yeah, because that's where you were looking."

And in regards to what quade_1 was just quoted as saying, just yesterday I happened to independently think of the related phrase, "That would be a useful mutation... if you had *triplets*."
You know, that could have made Anise a much more interesting character...
(and 50% harder to drown, if you know what I mean)

lol hmm you just had to lol :)

jenks
July 12th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I take it you haven't seen the Mini Series of Caprica. Especially the first scene where there are Boobs, Buts and a near miss of a penis.

Now granted I am sure there is an other version of those scenes waiting to be shown on Sci-fi (Of sorry SyFy, how friggen stupid is that name).

Personally, I feel that nudity in Sci-fi isn't a bad or good thing. It is naive of people to think of Science Fiction is technobabble, blue women and multi limbed aliens. Now granted I am more then certain that there will be a numbnut out there that will cry they are ruining science fiction by having a female Nipple in a scene. Screw em. They don't like it, they can tune into Little House on the Prairie.

That's just for the DVD, I'm willing to bet that that version won't air on SyFy.

major davis
July 12th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Watch Total Recall then.

That movie owns!!

Please no no no no no no. Not children of the Gods all over again.

major davis
July 12th, 2009, 07:43 PM
The censorship is over the top in the US, I'm not even sure if SyFy is allowed to show nudity...

LOL that's so far from the truth. You'd be supprised what you will see in pg shows these days.

Commander Zelix
July 12th, 2009, 07:46 PM
lol Lets be done with it and put the show on the playboy channel and change the name for "Stargate Miss Universe". ;)

Phenom
July 12th, 2009, 09:09 PM
LOL that's so far from the truth. You'd be supprised what you will see in pg shows these days.

Given the huffle over the wardrobe malfunction incident at the Superbowl the other year I dare say Jenks is onto something. Shoot people til the cows come home but please keep those nipples well hidden, they may poke someones eye out!!!

MechaThor
July 13th, 2009, 01:58 AM
Cool so in the epsiode faith we are going to get a Shower scene? Wonder if its a unisex shower room? I also think its funny that the Ancients still had not invented something better than a shower, like a beaming ray that beams the dirt of your skin?

hmmm, so it looks like we might get the "Starship Troopers" style shower scene. That or the story follows a pattern similar to Hathor from SG-1, or maybe there are problems with the water supply?

Jonzey
July 13th, 2009, 03:25 AM
Hardcore nudity means not just without clothes, but without skin. You can't get much more hardcore nude than that.

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 03:41 AM
Hardcore nudity means not just without clothes, but without skin. You can't get much more hardcore nude than that.

Ewwwwwwww without skin i agree thats hardcore but defenetly OTT lol but would be funny :)

Phenom
July 13th, 2009, 03:41 AM
Hardcore nudity means not just without clothes, but without skin. You can't get much more hardcore nude than that.

I thought hardcore nudity was being naked whilst riding a skateboard....

I mean I have seen those X-Games things and all the skateboarders think they are hardcore.

Jonzey
July 13th, 2009, 03:44 AM
I thought hardcore nudity was being naked whilst riding a skateboard....

I mean I have seen those X-Games things and all the skateboarders think they are hardcore.
Or skateboarding without skin... or SNOWBOARDING without skin!



On topic, does anyone think that maybe the actors/actresses don't want to get naked on camera for your amusement?

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 03:45 AM
I thought hardcore nudity was being naked whilst riding a skateboard....

I mean I have seen those X-Games things and all the skateboarders think they are hardcore.

True but mabey its being naked whilst wrestling each other lol thats pretty hardcore XD

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 03:46 AM
Or skateboarding without skin... or SNOWBOARDING without skin!



On topic, does anyone think that maybe the actors/actresses don't want to get naked on camera for your amusement?

You have a piont i dont think they would

MechaThor
July 13th, 2009, 07:14 AM
Ewwwwwwww without skin i agree thats hardcore but defenetly OTT lol but would be funny :)

Whats ironic however is that a full frontal shot of a naked person with Skin would be considered taboo for TV, however a shot of a naked person without skin and so just the muscles and bones would most likely get past the censorship as just "a bit for gore".

If there's an Asgard on board we would get full on hardcore nudity every week!

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 07:34 AM
If there's an Asgard on board we would get full on hardcore nudity every week!

Hahahaha true id love to see some Asgards in SGU that would be sooo much better :D

Dr Lee
July 13th, 2009, 08:25 AM
On topic, does anyone think that maybe the actors/actresses don't want to get naked on camera for your amusement?

As far as i know at least two of the female cast have been at least topless on screen.

TBH, nudity isn't stargate.... and i remember TPTB were forced to include the nudity in COTGs or they couldn't make the pilot with showtime...

But if TPTB are doing things a bit differently for SG:U.... then who knows?

Lahela
July 13th, 2009, 09:20 AM
As far as i know at least two of the female cast have been at least topless on screen.

TBH, nudity isn't stargate.... and i remember TPTB were forced to include the nudity in COTGs or they couldn't make the pilot with showtime...

But if TPTB are doing things a bit differently for SG:U.... then who knows?

And Robert Carlyle has flashed his lunchbox on more than one occasion :D

IIRC, BW didn't like the nudity in CotG, so I can't see there being any in SGU.

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 09:24 AM
And Robert Carlyle has flashed his lunchbox on more than one occasion :D

True i liked Full Monty Trainspotting to :D

Bytor
July 13th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I'd be happy with a zero g money shot.

Promethius30
July 13th, 2009, 09:26 AM
And Robert Carlyle has flashed his lunchbox on more than one occasion :D

IIRC, BW didn't like the nudity in CotG, so I can't see there being any in SGU.

The full monty now that a good film

Stormtrooper
July 13th, 2009, 09:35 AM
If there's an Asgard on board we would get full on hardcore nudity every week!

Only if they developed genitals, which would make the whole thing as creepy as Carlyle displaying his "lunchbox".

Coronach
July 13th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Only if they developed genitals, which would make the whole thing as creepy as Carlyle displaying his "lunchbox".

Lmao...this reminds me of the episode where Sheppard is staring it Hermiod, and then asks "Does he really have to be naked?".

Or something like that...:D

MechaThor
July 13th, 2009, 10:39 AM
Only if they developed genitals, which would make the whole thing as creepy as Carlyle displaying his "lunchbox".

Just because they got nothing to hide, dose not make them any less naked. Infact I think we can all learn something from the Asgard healthy view on nudity. But then again with the Asgard the saying of "Hay I ain't got nothing you have not" is literally and physically true.

major davis
July 13th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Given the huffle over the wardrobe malfunction incident at the Superbowl the other year I dare say Jenks is onto something. Shoot people til the cows come home but please keep those nipples well hidden, they may poke someones eye out!!!

Yeah.. I know what you mean.. Like, the one thing my parents(and I care about) is nudity and sexual content.. Like I hear cursing often... I honestly don't care if I hear it in shows... but we don't see naked people running along the streets every day.. although we hear cursing and see violence every day.

And I often watch shows cause of the violence so yeah I know how you feel.

major davis
July 13th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

Come on Jack.. your too cool to suggest you want this.. I'm glad this is a joke.. I mean really.

prion
July 13th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Considering the show will air on SyFy, not Showtime, don't look for any nudity, well, 'cept maybe a guy with no shirt on, but I think that's about it.

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Considering the show will air on SyFy, not Showtime, don't look for any nudity, well, 'cept maybe a guy with no shirt on, but I think that's about it.

That's what i was generally expecting :)

And funny sig :D

jelgate
July 13th, 2009, 12:48 PM
Considering the show will air on SyFy, not Showtime, don't look for any nudity, well, 'cept maybe a guy with no shirt on, but I think that's about it.What a girl with no shirt? They did it in Sanctuary. But none the less SyFy would never tolerate real nudity.

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 12:51 PM
What a girl with no shirt? They did it in Sanctuary. But none the less SyFy would never tolerate real nudity.

TRUE TRUE!!!!!!! syfy does my head in sometimes

Orion Antreas
July 13th, 2009, 02:50 PM
....But it's a-okay to shoot and blow non-Earth people up because they don't follow the Western model of democracy or worship the Judeo-Christian god.

Huh?

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Huh?

Lol i dont know ethier i just went with the flow lmao :D

Osiris
July 13th, 2009, 02:55 PM
Hard core nudity? What is that supposed to mean? How can nudity be hardcore? lol

Coronach
July 13th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Huh?

I think he is just trying (in a roundabout way) to make a point of how ridiculous it is that nudity is so taboo, yet violence, killing, etc.. are seen as acceptable for viewing by the same people.

It seems to be a pretty common thread in a lot of societies, though I can only officially speak for America.

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I think he is just trying (in a roundabout way) to make a point of how ridiculous it is that nudity is so taboo, yet violence, killing, etc.. are seen as acceptable for viewing by the same people.

It seems to be a pretty common thread in a lot of societies, though I can only officially speak for America.

Lol thanks for clearing that up :D

Phenom
July 13th, 2009, 03:34 PM
I think he is just trying (in a roundabout way) to make a point of how ridiculous it is that nudity is so taboo, yet violence, killing, etc.. are seen as acceptable for viewing by the same people.

It seems to be a pretty common thread in a lot of societies, though I can only officially speak for America.

It seems the US is leading the way with the ratio of violence vs sexual acceptance. Us Aussies (the little American clones that we are) are along the same lines, but just not quite as extreme.

There certainly wouldn't be a massive nipplegate thing if that happened here, but on the flip side you guys do like your guns a little more than we do :)

We fit snuggly in the middle somewhere between ultra violence and porn :) (That sentence reminded me of the brillliant Kubrick flick 'A Clockwork Orange'..if you haven't seen it, absolute genius!)

DigiFluid
July 13th, 2009, 03:41 PM
I think he is just trying (in a roundabout way) to make a point of how ridiculous it is that nudity is so taboo, yet violence, killing, etc.. are seen as acceptable for viewing by the same people.

It seems to be a pretty common thread in a lot of societies, though I can only officially speak for America.

Good....I'm surprised anyone had to ask, but thanks for clearing that up on my behalf :)

Coronach
July 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Good....I'm surprised anyone had to ask, but thanks for clearing that up on my behalf :)

No problem. It certainly is one of the more...peculiar aspects of society ;)

bklynscififan
July 13th, 2009, 03:53 PM
The only revealing parts will be a bare chested man or a woman showcased in her skimpy bra.

Eternal Density
July 13th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Hardcore nudity means not just without clothes, but without skin. You can't get much more hardcore nude than that.You mean like this?
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20041213.html

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 05:04 PM
The only revealing parts will be a bare chested man or a woman showcased in her skimpy bra.

Your probably right but i wont mind all the women on that show are pretty hot :D lol

DigiFluid
July 13th, 2009, 05:13 PM
Just to clarify, nudity in and of itself can't be "hardcore". Nudity is just nakedness.

"Hardcore" involves....things generally restricted to adult video stores (well, and anyone who can type their tastes into Google).

SGU Scotsman
July 13th, 2009, 05:15 PM
Just to clarify, nudity in and of itself can't be "hardcore". Nudity is just nakedness.

"Hardcore" involves....things generally restricted to adult video stores (well, and anyone who can type their tastes into Google).

Yea google is pretty bad!!! nowadays for Adult Material on it its just amassed over the years very disappointing :(

Major_Griff
July 13th, 2009, 05:44 PM
I just wish this wasn't even an issue. A human body without close isn't tasteless, it's just a person's body. I don't know why people have to get offended over it.

jelgate
July 13th, 2009, 05:47 PM
Your probably right but i wont mind all the women on that show are pretty hot :D lol

Another shallow person joins my ranks.:D

Welcome to the evil side:P

Alan Wake
July 13th, 2009, 06:01 PM
I'll admit, this thread has given me a few good laughs already :)

Although mostly the title.


But if anything, look at the reaction from the fans over that nudity in Stargates first episode, Children of the gods. Everyone I know hated it, and that's one of the things the writers regret doing.

I think they have learned from that mistake.... hopefully.

I do think we'll see more "skin" in this series then all the other ones though... because they're trying to attract a younger group. And it seems the younger people these days like watching people run around half naked throughout the show.

jenks
July 13th, 2009, 06:07 PM
True, they also have a more mature and healthy attitude towards nudity than the old prudes, ironically.

Eternal Density
July 14th, 2009, 02:18 AM
I hope we won't be seeing anyone without skin (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20041213.html) as it's a little disturbing. (btw, that's just a comic)

DigiFluid
July 14th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Yea google is pretty bad!!! nowadays for Adult Material on it its just amassed over the years very disappointing :(

Disappointing? It sure simplifies my life....

Jack_Bauer
July 14th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Disappointing? It sure simplifies my life....

lol why use image search? there are plenty of videos out there in cyber space :P

MechaThor
July 14th, 2009, 05:25 AM
lol why use image search? there are plenty of videos out there in cyber space :P

I wonder if the Atlantis database had any????

:sheppard:

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 05:27 AM
lol why use image search? there are plenty of videos out there in cyber space :P

True True cyber space is full of Pornographic Material i just find it sad that 10-13 year olds can find it

There has been allot of talk about it parents complaining its to easy for there children to find this Material :(

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 05:30 AM
Another shallow person joins my ranks.:D

Welcome to the evil side:P

NOO............ i want to be an Ancient not Ori wait a second it,s Star Wars all over again lol :D

Jack_Bauer
July 14th, 2009, 05:58 AM
True True cyber space is full of Pornographic Material i just find it sad that 10-13 year olds can find it

There has been allot of talk about it parents complaining its to easy for there children to find this Material :(

Funny cos most of the parents are probably watching it themselves...

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 06:00 AM
Funny cos most of the parents are probably watching it themselves...

Well.........ermmm possibly maybe but i don't want to get into that making me feel sick already :(

MechaThor
July 14th, 2009, 07:30 AM
Funny cos most of the parents are probably watching it themselves...

I know mine do. :ronan:

Its also true that it is easy to find online (not that I complain, wink) However they got to see it one day and its not like its well hidden in the "Real World" anyways... TV, Top Shelf, Page 3 even advertised at the back on of some magazines such as Computer Game mags. Plus they need to know what they are searching for first to be fair.

Anyways back to Universe....

I think with the addition to this shower room all we might see is some topless men and the naked backs of woman, maybe some buttocks at most. Will will also most likely get something to show the IOA woman's Lesbian relationship, but that will be a kiss or a "below the sheets" scene. Similar to how Firefly handled its adult material.

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 07:32 AM
I know mine do. :ronan:

Its also true that it is easy to find online (not that I complain, wink) However they got to see it one day and its not like its well hidden in the "Real World" anyways... TV, Top Shelf, Page 3 even advertised at the back on of some magazines such as Computer Game mags. Plus they need to know what they are searching for first to be fair.

Anyways back to Universe....

I think with the addition to this shower room all we might see is some topless men and the naked backs of woman, maybe some buttocks at most. Will will also most likely get something to show the IOA woman's Lesbian relationship, but that will be a kiss or a "below the sheets" scene. Similar to how Firefly handled its adult material.

Your right only buttocks is what we will see lol but no matter

DigiFluid
July 14th, 2009, 08:36 AM
True True cyber space is full of Pornographic Material i just find it sad that 10-13 year olds can find it

I don't. That's right when most (boys) are entering puberty and the hormones are absolutely raging. The internet certainly made MY adolescence a lot easier than it must've been for my parents' generation haha

Coronach
July 14th, 2009, 08:40 AM
I don't. That's right when most (boys) are entering puberty and the hormones are absolutely raging. The internet certainly made MY adolescence a lot easier than it must've been for my parents' generation haha

I agree. There are certainly worse things on the internet than porn.

Also, I totally forgot about how they're actual addressing the use of a bathroom in SGU...at least according to the schematics. So yes, those showers have got to provide at least a few interesting scenes :D

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 08:42 AM
I agree. There are certainly worse things on the internet than porn.

Also, I totally forgot about how they're actual addressing the use of a bathroom in SGU...at least according to the schematics. So yes, those showers have got to provide at least a few interesting scenes :D

Hahahaha agreed :D

jcainhaze
July 14th, 2009, 05:06 PM
A boob here and there can spice up any show. Some leg and a nice boodie are always a plus. Definitely wouldn't complain if I was the only one watching it. My 11 year old daughter has been watching stargate with me for several years and I know she'd be heartbroken if she couldn't watch stargate with daddy anymore. So I'll vote No on the nudity thing.

jenks
July 14th, 2009, 05:10 PM
A boob here and there can spice up any show. Some leg and a nice boodie are always a plus. Definitely wouldn't complain if I was the only one watching it. My 11 year old daughter has been watching stargate with me for several years and I know she'd be heartbroken if she couldn't watch stargate with daddy anymore. So I'll vote No on the nudity thing.

I doubt SGU will be something an 11 year old will be into regardless...

Eternal Density
July 14th, 2009, 05:24 PM
I doubt SGU will be something an 11 year old will be into regardless...Not all 11 year olds are identical, it sounds like the one in question would be more into it than most.

SGU Scotsman
July 14th, 2009, 05:26 PM
Not all 11 year olds are identical, it sounds like the one in question would be more into it than most.

True i think that too

Deevil
July 14th, 2009, 07:49 PM
I doubt SGU will be something an 11 year old will be into regardless...

I don't know, at 11 I was watching X-Files and Babylon 5...

jcainhaze
July 14th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Oh she'll probably love it. Remember she's a huge stargate fan....because she was raised on stargate, startrek, sanctuary, x-files, firefly, dr. who, and just about any other decent scifi you could name. She also loves to play halo, mass effect, etc...even reads the books. It's been great to have something in common that we can talk about and enjoy. This is why I hope there is not a big nudity issue with SGU.

jelgate
July 14th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Oh she'll probably love it. Remember she's a huge stargate fan....because she was raised on stargate, startrek, sanctuary, x-files, firefly, dr. who, and just about any other decent scifi you could name. She also loves to play halo, mass effect, etc...even reads the books. It's been great to have something in common that we can talk about and enjoy. This is why I hope there is not a big nudity issue with SGU.

Given BW's comments about the nudity scene in COTG I find this highly unlikely.

Lahela
July 14th, 2009, 09:38 PM
Oh she'll probably love it. Remember she's a huge stargate fan....because she was raised on stargate, startrek, sanctuary, x-files, firefly, dr. who, and just about any other decent scifi you could name. She also loves to play halo, mass effect, etc...even reads the books. It's been great to have something in common that we can talk about and enjoy. This is why I hope there is not a big nudity issue with SGU.

Sounds like your 11yo daughter and my 11yo son would get along very well :)

I have a bigger problem with senseless violence than nudity though, so I don't mind my son seeing it if it's tasteful and in context.

Major_Griff
July 14th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Sounds like your 11yo daughter and my 11yo son would get along very well :)

I have a bigger problem with senseless violence than nudity though, so I don't mind my son seeing it if it's tasteful and in context.

That's what makes this 'issue' so ridiculous. People have no problem with people getting shot, stabbed, blown up, decapitated, tortured, etc, but then there's a naked body, and then it's "oh hide this kids."

jcainhaze
July 15th, 2009, 12:06 AM
Major Griff, do you have any kids??? It would be difficult to simply let your kid casually watch nudity on TV. Sounds retarded to me. Violence is also an obvious issue but entirely different. Not sure my daughter is going to grab a taser and try shoot anyone with her laser gun. Not sure depictions of military style gunfights are excessive violence. It's not actualy footage of real war and real people getting their heads blown off. I've seen the real thing happen while in the military and would never subject my daughter to it. TV gunbattles are a joke....it's not real. But seeing nudity is looking at actual nudity not someone acting naked. Nudity is something Dads generally shield their daughters from. I don't know....maybe you're an expert on this due to extensive personal experience raising children. If so, please share.

DigiFluid
July 15th, 2009, 03:07 AM
Well, I know that I feel the need to go shoot and blow things up after watching Stargate. Just like I feel the need to run around in the buff after watching CotG :rolleyes:

Phenom
July 15th, 2009, 03:40 AM
I mentioned way earlier in this thread that nudity is fine if it makes sense (i.e logical part of the storyline) but if we started a thread titled "what would make Stargate better?", I am pretty confident "More boobs" would not make the list.

I have never watched an ep and thought "that was great, but if only Carter got her rack out then it would have been 4 stars on Gateworld!"

It is not why we love Stargate and it won't make it any better. So lets leave the sci fi to Stargate and the boobs and bums to....well if you don't know where yourself, then you are not old enough for me to tell you :)

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 05:31 AM
I mentioned way earlier in this thread that nudity is fine if it makes sense (i.e logical part of the storyline) but if we started a thread titled "what would make Stargate better?", I am pretty confident "More boobs" would not make the list.

I have never watched an ep and thought "that was great, but if only Carter got her rack out then it would have been 4 stars on Gateworld!"

It is not why we love Stargate and it won't make it any better. So lets leave the sci fi to Stargate and the boobs and bums to....well if you don't know where yourself, then you are not old enough for me to tell you :)

Hahaha true :D

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 06:48 AM
That's what makes this 'issue' so ridiculous. People have no problem with people getting shot, stabbed, blown up, decapitated, tortured, etc, but then there's a naked body, and then it's "oh hide this kids."

The thing isn't 'hiding' children from nudity. If people just happened to walk around nude for the fun of it, or to shower, it wouldn't be a huge problem. The thing is, on TV and in film nudity is used as a precursor to sex (or in a highly sexualised environment), it's used to 'strip' people of power - or as an abuse.

Those are the things that people want to shield their children from. Those are the somewhat comical violence of normal sci-fi, where everyone but the heroes get shot - or stabbed and the torture doesn't last longer then 5 minutes, and the beloved victim, and hero is healthy by the end of the episode.

kymeric
July 15th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Id rather there be hideously graphic violence than sex. Youll never get desentized to it if you dont constantly expose yourself to it! You dont wanna be the only one afraid of decapitations and disembowlings when the zombie apocalypse inevitably happens!

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 06:51 AM
Id rather there be hideously graphic violence than sex. Youll never get desentized to it if you dont constantly expose yourself to it! You dont wanna be the only one afraid of decapitations and disembowlings when the zombie apocalypse inevitably happens!

Hahaha true and.... Zombie WTH lol if you say so :D

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 06:53 AM
it's the rules, no nudity

the most SGU would ever have is like what we had with SG1, bare chests for the males, the occasional bare back for females

anything that'd be covered with a bikini would be covered in the show

Rac80
July 15th, 2009, 06:58 AM
it's the rules, no nudity

the most SGU would ever have is like what we had with SG1, bare chests for the males, the occasional bare back for females

anything that'd be covered with a bikini would be covered in the show

i heartily agree. I find nudity is often a replacement for good writing... the shock value so the viewer doesn't notice the thin script! ;) Merely IMHO of course.

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 07:00 AM
i heartily agree. I find nudity is often a replacement for good writing... the shock value so the viewer doesn't notice the thin script! ;) Merely IMHO of course.

Id agree with your Opinion too :D

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 07:03 AM
hard core nudity will never happen

'hard core' as it refers to pr0n means close ups of the pertinent body parts during the sex act

ain't gonna happen

will they flash a bum?

I doubt it. these show creators arent the type to get a Mature rating for their material for the sake of sticking skin and body parts in for the heck of it.

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 07:10 AM
They have at one point in SG-1 with Micheal Shanks

Only showed his Nipples i think and a flash of his bum

Not much :D

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 08:14 AM
we saw a side view of his hip with his hand conveniently covering the 'naughty bits' as he was revealed as being descended in Fallen

then his chest in Reckoning 2

as show creators, they're not much into showing skin just to show skin

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 08:18 AM
we saw a side view of his hip with his hand conveniently covering the 'naughty bits' as he was revealed as being descended in Fallen

then his chest in Reckoning 2

as show creators, they're not much into showing skin just to show skin

Yea lol i liked the bit were he asked why he was naked lol that was funny :D

leeman15251
July 15th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

make me want to watch it more. lol

Major_Griff
July 15th, 2009, 01:19 PM
Major Griff, do you have any kids??? It would be difficult to simply let your kid casually watch nudity on TV. Sounds retarded to me. Violence is also an obvious issue but entirely different. Not sure my daughter is going to grab a taser and try shoot anyone with her laser gun. Not sure depictions of military style gunfights are excessive violence. It's not actualy footage of real war and real people getting their heads blown off. I've seen the real thing happen while in the military and would never subject my daughter to it. TV gunbattles are a joke....it's not real. But seeing nudity is looking at actual nudity not someone acting naked. Nudity is something Dads generally shield their daughters from. I don't know....maybe you're an expert on this due to extensive personal experience raising children. If so, please share.

No, I don't have kids. But I just don't think nudity is a big deal. Especially since, let's be honest here, we're talking about boobs. That mostly what people want to see. Boobs aren't sex organs, and men are shirtless all the time in tv and movies. Women don't get quite as excited over a shirtless man and men would over a shirtless woman, but it's pretty close. So what the big deal over boobs?

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 01:24 PM
No, I don't have kids. But I just don't think nudity is a big deal. Especially since, let's be honest here, we're talking about boobs. That mostly what people want to see. Boobs aren't sex organs, and men are shirtless all the time in tv and movies. Women don't get quite as excited over a shirtless man and men would over a shirtless woman, but it's pretty close. So what the big deal over boobs?

True :D Griff for President lol

Crazedwraith
July 15th, 2009, 01:41 PM
On the one hand, Major Griff has a point; sex and nudity are for some reason a lot more taboo than violence for no real reason that I can think of.

On the other hand I can't really think of many scenarios where sex and nudity in Stargate would be anything other than gratuitous.

On the other hand (wait CW stop! You've got three hands!)

If you guys really want to see that kind of thing. The internet has a plentiful abundance of resources where you can view almost anything,

Coronach
July 15th, 2009, 01:44 PM
On the one hand, Major Griff has a point; sex and nudity are for some reason a lot more taboo than violence for no real reason that I can think of.

On the other hand I can't really think of many scenarios where sex and nudity in Stargate would be anything other than gratuitous.

I agree with the above...word for word.


On the other hand (wait CW stop! You've got three hands!)

If you guys really want to see that kind of thing. The internet has a plentiful abundance of resources where you can view almost anything,

For me, it's not so much that I want to see it on Stargate, I just wouldn't pitch a fit if it was shown, especially if it made a lot of sense in context.

Major_Griff
July 15th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I agree with the above...word for word.



For me, it's not so much that I want to see it on Stargate, I just wouldn't pitch a fit if it was shown, especially if it made a lot of sense in context.



That how I feel. If they do it why throw a hissy fit?

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 02:35 PM
we saw a side view of his hip with his hand conveniently covering the 'naughty bits' as he was revealed as being descended in Fallen

then his chest in Reckoning 2

as show creators, they're not much into showing skin just to show skin

I'm not sure Sci Fi would let them even if they wanted to, has there ever been nudity on that channel?

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 03:21 PM
no there hasn't.

it's against the rules. even cable answers to the FCC, and there are strict content rules as to violence, blood and gore and nudity/sex

the only channels that can show whatever they want are the premium channels, hbo, cinemax, playboy, etc

heck, even dirty jobs won't show some of the full aspects of hte jobs mike does, and Ice ROad truckers or Deadliest Catch bleeps out the swear words. You can even watch 'birth day' on TLC (women giving birth) and they do not shoot the genital area, and if they do it's blurred out. I think they don't even show the genitalia of the infants.

There will never be hard core (which is soooo the wrong term, you want 'hard core' - unless it's a bow flex commercial - go fine a pron channel) nudity, sex or violence on any Stargate show. and definitely not on skiffy or any other basic cable channel

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 03:45 PM
I'm not sure about the violence, I think some of the stuff on Stargate has been pretty graphic, I know some was cut when aired in the UK.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 03:46 PM
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That how I feel. If they do it why throw a hissy fit?

Because in the world of Stargate, irresepective of the rules that Skydiver is talking about, it would be nothing more then gratutious. There is rarely a need to show any as suggestibility is far more titiliating and interesting to watch.

Not to mention, as I said previously, nudity on TV or films is used for a couple of reasons. 1/ titalation - no point as that is frustrating. 2/ Sex. Now, parents are not going to be happy having their kids watch 'sex' on TV... or 3/ Violence. And nudity and violence combined is a much more powerful thing that people don't want a/ their children exposed to, or b/ often need to see.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule... I live by the, 'as long as it makes sense' theory. It doesn't mean I let my niece and nephew watch True Blood though, you know?

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Because in the world of Stargate, irresepective of the rules that Skydiver is talking about, it would be nothing more then gratutious. There is rarely a need to show any as suggestibility is far more titiliating and interesting to watch.

No it's not, and besides who's watching for titillation? I wouldn't say it's more interesting to suggest it instead of show it either, if anything it takes you out of what you're watching because it seems so fake. Like when two characters have just had sex yet the woman makes sure she covers her breasts afterwards, ditto with the male and his bits, I mean who actually does that?


Not to mention, as I said previously, nudity on TV or films is used for a couple of reasons. 1/ titalation - no point as that is frustrating. 2/ Sex. Now, parents are not going to be happy having their kids watch 'sex' on TV... or 3/ Violence. And nudity and violence combined is a much more powerful thing that people don't want a/ their children exposed to, or b/ often need to see.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule... I live by the, 'as long as it makes sense' theory. It doesn't mean I let my niece and nephew watch True Blood though, you know?

Stargate isn't a children's show, Universe even less so.

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Because in the world of Stargate, irresepective of the rules that Skydiver is talking about, it would be nothing more then gratutious. There is rarely a need to show any as suggestibility is far more titiliating and interesting to watch.

Not to mention, as I said previously, nudity on TV or films is used for a couple of reasons. 1/ titalation - no point as that is frustrating. 2/ Sex. Now, parents are not going to be happy having their kids watch 'sex' on TV... or 3/ Violence. And nudity and violence combined is a much more powerful thing that people don't want a/ their children exposed to, or b/ often need to see.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule... I live by the, 'as long as it makes sense' theory. It doesn't mean I let my niece and nephew watch True Blood though, you know?

I see were Deevil is coming from makes such a good point and i certainly wouldn't let my niece watch Sex or Violence

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 04:11 PM
No it's not, and besides who's watching for titillation? I wouldn't say it's more interesting to suggest it instead of show it either, if anything it takes you out of what you're watching because it seems so fake. Like when two characters have just had sex yet the woman makes sure she covers her breasts afterwards, ditto with the male and his bits, I mean who actually does that?

No, it doesn't have to look 'fake' to be suggestable. Suggestable is like lingerie. We all know what is underneath, but not seeing it is more 'exciting' (even for a short time) then the whole package underneath.

It's psychological, and that is what good TV or Film is all about.


Stargate isn't a children's show, Universe even less so.

Stargate is also not a show where graffic nudity is required... I say again, suggestability makes more damned sense, irrespective of the rule that SyFy have to live by.

As for it not being a kids show, that is really a matter of opinion isn't it? I know in the UK it is classified 18 (at least for the complete collection), in the rest of the world it hasn't been classified as such and it's perfectly acceptable for kids, or Teens to watch.

And we do not yet know that classifications that Universe will get, so therefore it is premature to assume that the show isn't going to be open for the consumption of children.

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 04:14 PM
[QUOTE=jenks;10396498]As for it not being a kids show, that is really a matter of opinion isn't it? I know in the UK it is classified 18, in the rest of the world it hasn't been classified as such and it's perfectly acceptable for kids, or Teens to watch.

I know in the Uk lol i find that stupidity on there part lol 18 hahahaha :D its FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!

Major_Griff
July 15th, 2009, 04:46 PM
no there hasn't.

it's against the rules. even cable answers to the FCC, and there are strict content rules as to violence, blood and gore and nudity/sex

the only channels that can show whatever they want are the premium channels, hbo, cinemax, playboy, etc

heck, even dirty jobs won't show some of the full aspects of hte jobs mike does, and Ice ROad truckers or Deadliest Catch bleeps out the swear words. You can even watch 'birth day' on TLC (women giving birth) and they do not shoot the genital area, and if they do it's blurred out. I think they don't even show the genitalia of the infants.

There will never be hard core (which is soooo the wrong term, you want 'hard core' - unless it's a bow flex commercial - go fine a pron channel) nudity, sex or violence on any Stargate show. and definitely not on skiffy or any other basic cable channel

I thought cable could do what ever they wanted regardless of the FCC and the only reason they didn't was because advertisers wouldn't want to endorse that kind of thing.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 04:52 PM
I know in the Uk lol i find that stupidity on there part lol 18 hahahaha :D its FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!

It is rather, I can't figure out what would get it classified that high. I was really surpirsed when I saw that rating on the complete series of SG-1 at a friends place. I was like, what the hell?!?

SGU Scotsman
July 15th, 2009, 04:54 PM
It is rather, I can't figure out what would get it classified that high. I was really surpirsed when I saw that rating on the complete series of SG-1 at a friends place. I was like, what the hell?!?

Major_Griff, cable is not like premium cable where you have to, as the title suggests - pay a premium. Cable channels have a whole bunch of rules to follow because they are expected to be excessable to most, if not all.

Lol yea i with you sometimes the Uk is a very stupid place with movies/shows/games lol :D

MIZA
July 15th, 2009, 05:02 PM
hey they showed that girls front (area) in Children of the Gods , so i am not surprised if they want to show a little more skin hee hee hee !!!

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 05:05 PM
No, it doesn't have to look 'fake' to be suggestable. Suggestable is like lingerie. We all know what is underneath, but not seeing it is more 'exciting' (even for a short time) then the whole package underneath.

It's not about titillation. If a naked body is nothing more to you than a means to get a cheap jolly then you're probably not setting the best example for your kids.


Stargate is also not a show where graffic nudity is required...

The 'required' argument doesn't hold water, graphic violence isn't 'required' but that doesn't mean it can't help to better tell the story.


I say again, suggestability makes more damned sense, irrespective of the rule that SyFy have to live by.

No it doesn't, you can say that until you're blue in the face but it won't make it true. 'Suggestibility' achieves nothing apart from giving a cheap PG sexual thrill to a bunch of horny teenagers, most adults see past it.


As for it not being a kids show, that is really a matter of opinion isn't it?

No, it's a matter of fact. The show isn't aimed at kids, never has been.


I know in the UK it is classified 18 (at least for the complete collection), in the rest of the world it hasn't been classified as such and it's perfectly acceptable for kids, or Teens to watch.

The box set is classified as 18 because the pilot is, you can very well classify it as anything lower if there is more adult stuff in there can you?


And we do not yet know that classifications that Universe will get, so therefore it is premature to assume that the show isn't going to be open for the consumption of children.

It doesn't matter whether it will be suitable for children or not, the point is that it isn't being made for children, so the argument that there should be no nudity in it so that kids can watch is a very poor one.

Eternal Density
July 15th, 2009, 05:11 PM
hey they showed that girls front (area) in Children of the Gods , so i am not surprised if they want to show a little more skin hee hee hee !!!Where have you been lately? That did not actually want to show that and have gone to the trouble of making a shiny new version that doesn't have it.

MIZA
July 15th, 2009, 05:16 PM
On the one hand, Major Griff has a point; sex and nudity are for some reason a lot more taboo than violence for no real reason that I can think of.

On the other hand I can't really think of many scenarios where sex and nudity in Stargate would be anything other than gratuitous.

On the other hand (wait CW stop! You've got three hands!)

If you guys really want to see that kind of thing. The internet has a plentiful abundance of resources where you can view almost anything,

so what is it like in the UK are they very free about showing nudity and other stuff , i was just wondering . well in the US i think there is different levels and each year the levels get more permittable more boobs and more butt and all kinds of other things , so i think by the next century nudity on tv will be commonplace IMHO of course

MIZA
July 15th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Where have you been lately? That did not actually want to show that and have gone to the trouble of making a shiny new version that doesn't have it.




well i have the old on where they did, and the show was on Showtime for 5 years so yeah !! and it wasn't really that bad

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 05:21 PM
It's not about titillation. If a naked body is nothing more to you than a means to get a cheap jolly then you're probably not setting the best example for your kids.[

Given the point of the entire thread was to include nudity for a cheap thrill, I have to say that was what I was addressing.

And you are missing somthing, and it is a fact, that nudity is often used for titillation in TV and films more then anything else.


The 'required' argument doesn't hold water, graphic violence isn't 'required' but that doesn't mean it can't help to better tell the story.

Graphic violence also hasn't been in Stargate previously. And yes, it CAN be used to tell a good story - but is isn't a requirement. It's just 1 way ot tell a story, and until now neither have been 'required' to tell a story in Stargate.

That being said, it doesn't mean that that wont change... although, as Skydiver pointed out, it's not really something that is possible.


No it doesn't, you can say that until you're blue in the face but it won't make it true. 'Suggestibility' achieves nothing apart from giving a cheap PG sexual thrill to a bunch of horny teenagers, most adults see past it.

And that just shows you haven't seen it done well. It can be done extremely well, and it isn't a 'PG' thrill.


No, it's a matter of fact. The show isn't aimed at kids, never has been.

As a matter of fact, it has never been classified outside of kids consumption and therefore it is kids friendly programing. Demographics only count when considering when and where to air it, and the advertisers who will use the advertising space.


The box set is classified as 18 because the pilot is, you can very well classify it as anything lower if there is more adult stuff in there can you?

Your point? My point remains the same, just because in 1 place the show is rated 18 does make the episodes un-family friendly.


It doesn't matter whether it will be suitable for children or not, the point is that it isn't being made for children, so the argument that there should be no nudity in it so that kids can watch is a very poor one.

No, it isn't a poor one... it is a fact that if it is classified for children to be able to watch, like the previous series', it has to be child friendly.

Add to that, that wasn't the only reason I presented for not including nudity. The point is, suggestability is more entertaining and interesting to watch then complete exposition. Suggestibility is not about what you see, it's about what you don't see.

Exposition is showing your whole kit, subtext, maintext and maybe even flesh. Exposition is often a poor story telling technique, as the idea is to show and not tell in film and tv... but that golden rule is rarely followed.

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 05:34 PM
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/csgen.html

Program Content Regulations
Cable television system operators generally make their own selection of channels and programs to be distributed to subscribers in response to consumer demands. The Commission does, however, have rules in some areas that are applicable to programming -- called "origination cablecasting" that is subject to the editorial control of the system operator. The rules generally do not apply to the contents of broadcast signals or access channels over which the system operator has no editorial control.
Cable subscribers may request a "lockbox" from cable operators to prevent viewing of any channel on which objectional programming may appear. Cable operators are required to make lockboxes available for sale or lease to customers who request them. Lockboxes can also be purchased from other commercial distributors.
The 1996 Act included several provisions that were designed to increase the subscriber's ability to control the programming coming into the home. Section 551 of the 1996 Act required representatives of the broadcast and cable television industries to develop, within one year after enactment of the 1996 Act, voluntary rules to rate programming that contains violence and sexual or other indecent material. The industry proposed the TV Parental Guidelines and the proposal was approved by the Commission on March 12, 1998. The TV Parental Guidelines (labels and content indicators and respective meanings) are:
TV-Y -- This program is designed to be appropriate for all children.
TV-Y7 -- This program is designed for children age 7 and above. Note: For those programs where fantasy violence may be more intense or more combative than other programs in this category, such programs will be designated TV-Y7-FV.
TV-G -- Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages.
TV-PG -- This program contains some material that parents may find unsuitable for younger children. The program contains one or more of the following: moderate violence (V), some sexual situations (S), infrequent coarse language (L), or some suggestive dialogue (D).
TV-14 -- This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age. This program contains one or more of the following: intense violence (V), intense sexual situations (S), strong coarse language (L), or intensely suggestive dialogue (D).
TV-MA -- This program is specifically designed to be viewed by adults and therefore may be unsuitable for children under 17. This program contains one or more of the following: graphic violence (V), explicit sexual activity (S), or crude indecent language (L).
The ratings icons and associated symbols appear for 15 seconds at the beginning of all rated programming. Sports, news, commercials, promotions and unedited movies with a Motion Picture Association of America rating that are aired on premium cable channels are exempt from these ratings.
The 1996 Act also required that television receivers manufactured or imported for use in the United States be equipped with circuitry that is capable of identifying all programs with a common rating and blocking individual channels during selected time periods. This is the circuitry commonly referred to as the "V-chip." This requirement applies to all television sets with a least a 13 inch screen. Manufacturers of such equipment were required to include a v-chip on at least 50% of their products by July 1, 1999 and on the remaining 50% by January 1, 2000. The Commission also required that personal computers that include a television tuner and a 13 inch or larger monitor must also include the v-chip. However, the requirement to rate programming applies only to video transmissions that are delivered to the computer by using the television tuner. Video transmissions delivered over the Internet or via computer networks are not required to be rated.
Section 504 of the 1996 Act required a cable operator to fully scramble or block the audio and video portions of programming services not specifically subscribed to by a household. The cable operator must fully scramble or block the programming in question upon the request of the subscriber and at no charge to the subscriber. In addition, Section 505 states that cable operators or other multichannel video programming distributors who offer sexually explicit programming or other programming that is indecent on any channel(s) primarily dedicated to sexually-oriented programming must fully scramble or block both the audio and video portions of the channels so that someone who does not subscribe to the channel does not receive it. Until a multichannel video distributor complies with this provision, the distributor cannot provide the programming during hours when a significant number of children are likely to view it.
On March 4, 1996, the Commission adopted an Order and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (FCC 96-84) establishing interim rules to implement Section 505 of the 1996 Act. The interim rules established the hours of 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. as those hours when a significant number of children are likely to have access to and view the programming. However, before the rules could take effect, Section 505 was challenged in the courts and the Commission was subsequently prevented from enforcing the rules because of a temporary restraining order and a number of stays granted by the United States District Court for the District of Delaware. On March 24, 1997, the United States Supreme Court affirmed the District Court's decision to deny the request for a preliminary injunction of section 505. Thus, on April 17, 1997, the Commission adopted an Order establishing May 18, 1997 as the effective date of our rules implementing section 505. However, on December 28, 1998, a federal court in Delaware issued a decision (Playboy Entertainment Group v. U.S.) which determined that Section 505 is unconstitutional. Therefore, the Commission's rules based on Section 505 could not be enforced. An appeal of this decision was filed with the U.S. Supreme Court. On May 22, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court also determined that Section 505 is unconstitutional. Thus, the Commission’s rules implementing Section 505 cannot be enforced. However, persons who wish to prevent the viewing of such programming may do so by obtaining a “lockbox” or by exercising the options provided in Section 504 of the 1996 Act.
Finally, Section 506 of the 1996 Cable Act allows cable operators to refuse to transmit any public access or leased access program which contains obscenity, indecency, or nudity. On June 28, 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a decision (Denver Area Educational Telecommunications Consortium, Inc. v. FCC) which held that cable operators may decline to carry indecent programming on leased access channels, but cannot exercise the same control over programming on public access channels.

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so, all they have to do is have skiffy say 'we don't want anything that'd be rated tv-14' and that's what the writers make. n othing that'd be rated 14.

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Given the point of the entire thread was to include nudity for a cheap thrill, I have to say that was what I was addressing.

No it wasn't.



And you are missing somthing, and it is a fact, that nudity is often used for titillation in TV and films more then anything else.

So? That doesn't mean it has to be, and more often than not the prudes in the audience just dismiss any nudity as titillation regardless of the context anyway.


Graphic violence also hasn't been in Stargate previously. And yes, it CAN be used to tell a good story - but is isn't a requirement. Not in Stargate as it has been anyway.

Um, yes it has.


And that just shows you haven't seen it done well. It can be done extremely well, and it isn't a 'PG' thrill.

If it were done well it wouldn't be suggestibility, it would just be a natural scene with out all the contrived crap.


As a matter of fact, it has never been classified outside of kids consumption and therefore it is kids friendly programing. Demographics only count when considering when and where to air it, and the advertisers who will use the advertising space.

No one said anything about kids friendly programming. I said it isn't a kids show, and it isn't. Bar Infinity, it's never been aimed at kids.


Your point? My point remains the same, just because in 1 place the show is rated 18 does make the episodes un-family friendly.

No one said it does. I've no idea why you're making this point.



No, it isn't a poor one... it is a fact that if it is classified for children to be able to watch, like the previous series', it has to be child friendly.

No it doesn't (and isn't), you're inventing this out of thin air.



Add to that, that wasn't the only reason I presented for not including nudity. The point is, suggestability is more entertaining and interesting to watch then complete exposition.Suggestibility is not about what you see, it's about what you don't see.

There's only so much you can suggest. The complexities of what a naked or sex scene (or any other) may convey is one of them. I agree that some thing are better hinted at, but some things just can't be.

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 05:44 PM
so what is it like in the UK are they very free about showing nudity and other stuff , i was just wondering . well in the US i think there is different levels and each year the levels get more permittable more boobs and more butt and all kinds of other things , so i think by the next century nudity on tv will be commonplace IMHO of course

It's hard to gauge the difference. We're probably more open than the US, but less so than a country like Germany. What I can say is that shows like Rome and Sopranos on HBO used to air on prime time terrestrial TV in the UK.

Skydiver
July 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM
rome would never air on broadcast tv here.

dexter only aired after they bleeped out the language and edited some of the graphic gore

my definition of graphic is blood splattering on the wall, close ups of wounds, body parts sticking out, etc

the team shoots a jaffa, the bullet pings off the armor,t he jaffa falls....that ain't graphic.

i think the worst they ever did was burning vala.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 05:51 PM
No it wasn't.

Yes it was... please read the opening post in the thread. We have deviated (somewhat) for sure, but that was the point to the thread.


So? That doesn't mean it has to be, and more often than not the prudes in the audience just dismiss any nudity as titillation regardless of the context.

More often then not is is titillation as it has no, in story or character reason to be there.


Um, yes it has.

Graphic violence has never been on Stargate.


If it were done well it wouldn't be suggestibility, it would just be a natural scene with all the contrived crap.

If it were done well it would be suggestibility. Suggestibility is about what we don't see. It works, it's only a matter if you see the mechanics behind it, or if the 'suggestible' portion of the film or television show works and you 'see' what they are wanting you to see... even if you don't see it.

Suggestibility can also be subtext.


No one said anything about kids friendly programming. I said it isn't a kids show, and it isn't. Bar Infinity, it's never been aimed at kids.

If the show can be seen by kids it's all the counts. I did not say it was a 'kids show', just that it is acceptable for kids to watch.


No it doesn't (and isn't), you're inventing this out of thin air.

No I'm not. If it is classified for children to be able to be watched, it has to have content that a child can watch. Therefore it is considered 'child friendly'. I did not say that Universe would be classified this way though.


There's only so much you can suggest. The complexities of what a naked or sex scene (or any other) may convey is one of them. I agree that some thing are better hinted at, but some things just can't be.

I tend to agree with you here... but the problem is that film and tv will often go for the exposition, which is tell, rather then show and suggest to us what is happening.

That is not to say there isn't sometimes a good, and carefully thought out reason to get to that point - as it totally works in some places (Rome, True Blood etc)... after all I am about to go into production of a short film that has nudity - but there often isn't.

In the end, it's not really going to be a problem for Stargate because I don't think we will be seeing anything overly graphic. In this way, I think a lot of the violence is going to be suggested at; and if there is a requirement for nudity that will be too.


i think the worst they ever did was burning vala.

And even that we didn't 'see' it, as we only saw the wall of fire. What we heard was her screams, which was more 'suggestive' then anything else.

Coronach
July 15th, 2009, 05:55 PM
i think the worst they ever did was burning vala.

I agree that Stargate has shown little in the way of "graphic" violence.

But yeah, I can't believe I forgot the Vala example...but that was a pretty intense scene.


And even that we didn't 'see' it, as we only saw the wall of fire. What we heard was her screams, which was more 'suggestive' then anything else.

Haha, I agree with you on most things...but this isn't one :P Vala being burned alive was anything but suggestive, as we saw enough of the act to be considered "showing", and we saw how she looked after the fact.

Furthermore, we heard her screams...which is a direct effect of the burning. Whereas, with regards to your "suggestive" examples above (i.e. I think you said something about lingerie), that is all you get is a suggestion of what they are doing, but you don't really get anything (sounds or visuals) during the act.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 06:04 PM
Haha, I agree with you on most things...but this isn't one :P Vala being burned alive was anything but suggestive, as we saw enough of the act to be considered "showing", and we saw how she looked after the fact.

Furthermore, we heard her screams...which is a direct effect of the burning. Whereas, with regards to your "suggestive" examples above (i.e. I think you said something about lingerie), that is all you get is a suggestion of what they are doing, but you don't really get anything (sounds or visuals) during the act.

You know what, it's been a long time since I have seen that scene tbh... You could very well be right.

I think what I was trying to say (and you'd think I would remember, but I am script editing so I'm a little over the place) is that, even with the sound effects we had the suggestion of what happened.

It wasn't like watching a slasher film and you see, graphically, the chainsaw sawing off someones arm. It was a more powerful moment because we didn't see what happened. We heard it, we saw the aftermath, but we never 'saw' the act itself. But as I said, I haven't scene that moment in awhile, so I could be way off base.

Coronach
July 15th, 2009, 06:15 PM
You know what, it's been a long time since I have seen that scene tbh... You could very well be right.

I think what I was trying to say (and you'd think I would remember, but I am script editing so I'm a little over the place) is that, even with the sound effects we had the suggestion of what happened.

It wasn't like watching a slasher film and you see, graphically, the chainsaw sawing off someones arm. It was a more powerful moment because we didn't see what happened. We heard it, we saw the aftermath, but we never 'saw' the act itself. But as I said, I haven't scene that moment in awhile, so I could be way off base.

You're not really off base, and I get what you're saying in this case. I just think that it isn't really as suggestive. The only thing they could have shown that they didn't was a close-up of her burning.

I'll grant you that the scene itself went very quickly, but I think it was quite powerful given that we did see her erupt in flames, and you could still see the figure within the flames (kudos if that was a stunt-person in there :eek:).

Add in the screams, and then the aftermath (i.e. the way she looked), and you have a scene that borders on graphic violence, at least to me :P

Eternal Density
July 15th, 2009, 06:17 PM
Not actually seeing something doesn't necessarily make it safer. There were a couple of scenes in Alias, involving a thumb and an eyeball for instance, and while it isn't shown, my overactive imagination working on the suggestion is just as bad :o

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Add in the screams, and then the aftermath (i.e. the way she looked), and you have a scene that borders on graphic violence, at least to me :P
Is it really graphic violence, or is it just graphic?

That being said, I remember the scene now (thanks to a quck refresher)... it wasn't suggestive at all. Damn, really should remember the scenes before I comment on them...

Cheers, Coronach.

Eternal Destiny, the point wasn't the the suggestivity made it less graphic, or violent or easier to watch... the point was that it working psychologically was to better effect. And in the case of Alias, it was to much better effect.

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Graphic violence has never been on Stargate.


Vala was chained to the ground and burned alive, and Teal'c did this:

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season10/1017-Talion/screencaps/normal_sg1_1017_0946.JPG



If the show can be seen by kids it's all the counts. I did not say it was a 'kids show', just that it is acceptable for kids to watch.

But says who? Many would let their kids watch it, many wouldn't. It's a coincidence that the show can also be considered suitable for kids, but it's not the aim.


No I'm not. If it is classified for children to be able to be watched, it has to have content that a child can watch. Therefore it is considered 'child friendly'. I did not say that Universe would be classified this way though.

Um, no. Classification comes after it's made, not before. It has to adhere to Sci Fi's broadcast rules yes, but those aren't strictly child-friendly ones.



And even that we didn't 'see' it, as we only saw the wall of fire. What we heard was her screams, which was more 'suggestive' then anything else.

We saw about as much as we could have done for someone who was engulfed in flames, not to mention her charred remains afterwards.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Vala was chained to the ground and burned alive, and Teal'c did this:

jenks, I'd still argue that that isn't 'graphic', it is violence to be sure... but there was no blood, not guts etc...

The scene with Vala was a close to graphic as the ENTIRE series had, and even then it's somewhat questionable if it was all that bad.


But says who? Many would let their kids watch it, many wouldn't. It's a coincidence that the show can also be considered suitable for kids, but it's not the aim.

It's very unlikely a 'coincidence' at all. Just because there core demographic was targeted at a certain age, they would have carefully made sure they had the largest possible audience, including children to watch.


Um, no. Classification comes after it's made, not before. It has to adhere to Sci Fi's broadcast rules yes, but those aren't strictly child-friendly ones.

jenks, you missed what I said. I said that for the show to be classified in a way that lets children watch them, the content has to be child friendly. You are arguing the chicken and the egg, I am just saying that the content - period - is considered child friendly... and therefore the content has to be child friendly for that outcome to exist.

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 06:47 PM
jenks, I'd still argue that that isn't 'graphic', it is violence to be sure... but there was no blood, not guts etc...

The scene with Vala was a close to graphic as the ENTIRE series had, and even then it's somewhat questionable if it was all that bad.


What about this then:

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/atl_season4/404-Doppelganger/screencaps/normal_atl_404_150.JPG

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 06:52 PM
What about this then:


What episode was that in... but once again, that could be considered somewhat graphic, but it is not graphic violence.

All in all, Stargate has never been a show that is ultimately graphic, or graphically violent.

jenks
July 15th, 2009, 07:01 PM
I disagree. I would definitely consider those Teal'c and Vala scenes to be graphic violence. Not sure why the distinction between violent graphic scenes and just graphic ones matters, I mean I think an alien forcing its way out of a live character's abdomen would be a hell of a lot more disturbing for a child than seeing a 'baddie' getting stabbed.

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 07:04 PM
jenks, lets just agree to disagree.

I think, apart from 1 or 2 somewhat graphic moments, that the show was not ultimately a graphic, and it was definately not a graphically violent show. And in the end, it's probably best the bench this before we get whacked for being off topic :).

Eternal Density
July 15th, 2009, 08:31 PM
What about this then:hey! there was a good reason why I never watched that episode after the first time. Mental red!
(but topically, it's a good find. i just would have prefer if it was spoiler tagged or linked)

escyos
July 15th, 2009, 09:14 PM
well if they did, people woule complain...if they dont, people will complain....circle of life.

Jack_Bauer
July 15th, 2009, 09:27 PM
yes it was... Please read the opening post in the thread. We have deviated (somewhat) for sure, but that was the point to the thread.

your WRONG!

greytop
July 15th, 2009, 09:30 PM
My answer is NO!

Deevil
July 15th, 2009, 11:08 PM
your WRONG!

Really, I apologise... but the opening post of: -


Younger audience they say..... well i'm pretty young and i wouldn;t mind seeing a bit of nudity in SGU, why not? i would watch.... maybe some alien chicks..... who knows?

Really reads that you glibly want nudity for titillation more then anything else... but hey, what does it matter in the end, you started a discussion so all is cool.

Jack_Bauer
July 15th, 2009, 11:50 PM
Really, I apologise... but the opening post of: -



Really reads that you glibly want nudity for titillation more then anything else... but hey, what does it matter in the end, you started a discussion so all is cool.

Ok if you can't decipher the sarcasm and my les than subtle gig at the 'younger audience' fiasco i truly pity you.

However, yeah discussion is cool.

Deevil
July 16th, 2009, 12:00 AM
Ok if you can't decipher the sarcasm and my les than subtle gig at the 'younger audience' fiasco i truly pity you.

However, yeah discussion is cool.

TBH with you, I am sick of the 'younger' audience sarcasm so I ignore it these days. Some people are loving getting a dig in at every corner...

Anyways, just to let you know, we cannot hear the 'emotion' behind what you are saying online, so really it's sometimes difficult to 'decipher' the exact feeling behind a statement...

Jack_Bauer
July 16th, 2009, 12:22 AM
TBH with you, I am sick of the 'younger' audience sarcasm so I ignore it these days. Some people are loving getting a dig in at every corner...

Anyways, just to let you know, we cannot hear the 'emotion' behind what you are saying online, so really it's sometimes difficult to 'decipher' the exact feeling behind a statement...

Yeah fair enough, at the 'younger audience' jibe but to be fair I did start this thread quite a while ago with a very tongue in cheek manner (if you read the subsequent posts on the first page you would have ascertained this).

And just a little tip for the future, if the opening post of a thread may have more than meaning depending on the tone it is said in, then you could simply PM the creator of the thread rather than going up against someone (ie jenks) with the wrong idea of the motivation behind the thread.

Jonzey
July 16th, 2009, 02:21 AM
Stargate is an action/adventure show. Parents would let their kids watch it, knowing full well there could be some violence in it (you know, the action part). They wouldn't expect lots of unnecessary (yes, unnecessary) nudity and might be a bit miffed when they find out they've been lied to (ok, it's a lie of omission, but still). And Stargate doesn't need that controversy, nor does it deserve to be remembered as ''that Syfy show with boobies''.

MechaThor
July 16th, 2009, 03:34 AM
Well at the end of the day it comes down to what its rated as, If its a 12 like most of Atlantis (this is UK ratings btw), then its clear that the only nudity might be some shots of peoples backs or cropped shots of "shoulders and up" like Atlantis did in The Tower .

If its a 15, then you might expect some more violence and darkness like Atlantis Vegas and Doppelganger, both a 15. However with this rating you should not be shocked to find the odd sight of naked boobs and maybe some buttocks. and possibly a mild "below the covers/in the shadows" sex scene.

However if Universe is rated 18 then no viewer should be shocked to find not only extreme bloody violence and language but also the chances of full frontal nudity (Children of the Gods) and more vivid and longer sex scenes.

Of course if Universe is a PG like most of early SG-1 (which I doubt, as even Atlantis only had one PG DVD) then expect nothing but a kiss and the odd flash of underwear.

Skydiver
July 16th, 2009, 04:25 AM
There is a huge and bubbling issue in the Movie Industry. movies like to push the titilation factor. they know that boobs, butts and bombs bring in the superficial viewer, who might stick around to become more of a fan.

and yeah, there's the free press that various 'infamous' movies get when they push the boundaries (situations i remember are movies like Basic Instinct, Color of Night and others that slipped in brief bits of nudity to get some 'omg, you would not believe what scene this movie has in it!!!!!!!11') to get more press.

But there's another side to that. Theaters are getting more and more strict on upholding the 'prove to us that you're 17 before you can get into this R rated movie' rule.

The definitions of the ratings are deliberately vague. They don't quantify how much is too much. So it's open to interpretation. and, as we see here, people interpret things differently. what one finds offensive another does not.

so there is a huge issue adn allegations of wrong doings that members of the movie ratings board dont' necessarily judge every movie by its content, but also by personal grudges.

a movie that's rated pg-13 will have an easier time making money than one that's rated r. And since two movies with the same basic content have been rated differently, some have made the accusation that they've been unfairly rated out of some sort of vendetta.

Now, how this pertains to the topic.

a TV show that is edited to be appropriate for broadcast, and when these eps leave skiffy and go into syndication, they have to meet the FCC broadcast standards (since it's often local tv stations that buy syndie rights, and they broadcast, so they have to follow the FCC regs) or the studio has to put thousands of dollars into reediting the show to make it syndie appropriate

So, it's easier to follow the FCC rules on content when you're on cable so that, later down the line, you don't have to spend thousands/hundreds of thousands, having the show reedited to fit into the FCC rules.

This is why it's highly unlikely that there'll be anything vaguely resembling blatant nudity.

Deevil
July 16th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Yeah fair enough, at the 'younger audience' jibe but to be fair I did start this thread quite a while ago with a very tongue in cheek manner (if you read the subsequent posts on the first page you would have ascertained this).

Yeah you did start it awhile a go, I'll give you that...


And just a little tip for the future, if the opening post of a thread may have more than meaning depending on the tone it is said in, then you could simply PM the creator of the thread rather than going up against someone (ie jenks) with the wrong idea of the motivation behind the thread.

Or, I could take it at face value and not spend forever investigating what the possible deeper meaning to the thread, when there usually isn't one.

As I said... I let the constant 'there are wanting a younger audience' jibes fly straight past me, because they are old and kinda boring. Add to that, even if you were being snarky the result is still the same, you were discussing the use of nudity for titillation in order to appeal to a younger audience. Otherwise, where would the joke be? :D

In da end, it doesn't matter... crisis adverted and all that jazz.

Skydiver: I agree totally. Even Battlestar Galactica didn't cross the line (to greatly) because they want to be able to appeal to the widest possible audience, and get the most money from it, irrespective of their target demographic.

TryWhistlingThis
July 16th, 2009, 04:31 AM
I admit, I haven't seen much Stargate at all (1 Season only of SG1 so far), but the nudity in the S1 premier felt...forced to be honest. There was little substance to it. I'm certainly not against the showing of nudity or sex, but for it to be worthwhile, it needs to have some kind of attachment to the story.

Skydiver
July 16th, 2009, 04:34 AM
there's one thing if it contributes to the story

like if we have two characters romantically involved and you show the two of them in bed - covers in PG position - and it silently shows that 'yep, these two are intimate' and it makes sense.

but then you'd have a character sleeping along and s/he is woken up and 'oops' the covers slip and we see that they sleep in the nude, and let's flash a bum to prove it. That's gratuitous. it doesn't NEED to be there. We don't need to see their bum.

SGU Scotsman
July 16th, 2009, 05:08 AM
there's one thing if it contributes to the story

like if we have two characters romantically involved and you show the two of them in bed - covers in PG position - and it silently shows that 'yep, these two are intimate' and it makes sense.

but then you'd have a character sleeping along and s/he is woken up and 'oops' the covers slip and we see that they sleep in the nude, and let's flash a bum to prove it. That's gratuitous. it doesn't NEED to be there. We don't need to see their bum.

Totally agree with you there i like to see a story behind why you see them in the nude or are in-bed with someone else

Otherwise if it doesn't and you just see them going at it to me its just an orgy and i find it disturbing :(

TryWhistlingThis
July 16th, 2009, 05:38 AM
When you think about it, when it comes to a sci-fi show, is there really a NEED to show breasts or any other region that would be considered as part of the "bodysuit" area? The image can very easily be implied from showing a bare shoulders/back shot. I can understand its function in a show like The Sopranos. I love The Sopranos, when there is nudity, it is of some relevance to the underbelly the show is set in. But even then, it's not in your face and doesn't feel it was just put there for ratings. There's some meaning to it.

I just can't see why a director or writer would think "hmm...we really need to expose to some skin to get the point accross".

jenks
July 16th, 2009, 05:41 AM
When you think about it, when it comes to a sci-fi show, is there really a NEED to show breasts or any other region that would be considered as part of the "bodysuit" area? The image can very easily be implied from showing a bare shoulders/back shot. I can understand its function in a show like The Sopranos. I love The Sopranos, when there is nudity, it is of some relevance to the underbelly the show is set in. But even then, it's not in your face and doesn't feel it was just put there for ratings. There's some meaning to it.

I just can't see why a director or writer would think "hmm...we really need to expose to some skin to get the point accross".

I don't see how it could be necessary in a show like The Sopranos and not in SGU, explain.

SGU Scotsman
July 16th, 2009, 05:45 AM
When you think about it, when it comes to a sci-fi show, is there really a NEED to show breasts or any other region that would be considered as part of the "bodysuit" area? The image can very easily be implied from showing a bare shoulders/back shot. I can understand its function in a show like The Sopranos. I love The Sopranos, when there is nudity, it is of some relevance to the underbelly the show is set in. But even then, it's not in your face and doesn't feel it was just put there for ratings. There's some meaning to it.

I just can't see why a director or writer would think "hmm...we really need to expose to some skin to get the point accross".

True i maybe think we may get some skin in SGU but its on the back foot for me as there on a rusty old ship in a very bad situation and a very dark one at that so yea its a possibility but not a certainty

TryWhistlingThis
July 16th, 2009, 05:52 AM
Well, it's not a case of necessity I suppose. I admit i've picked the wrong word there...more a case of relevance I suppose. The Sopranos obviously is a show revolving around the activities of a mob boss who is a part owner in a strip club. Already, the place for nudity has been set out. He (Tony Soprano) also has a number of mistresses that he has going on the side. I don't feel uncomfortable with the nudity because the subject matter and nature of the show is gritty which compliments the overarching theme of crime really well. Of course, that's just my opinion, but, given that it's a show about crime, adultery, drugs, murder, extortion and family, the subject matter of nudity pretty much seems inevitable.

Now, compare that to a show like Stargate where it is about exploration, science, action, adventure and camaraderie, the tone is automatically different. I'm certainly not suggesting that nudity hasn't played an element in sci-fi before, far from it. Just look at James Cameron's series of "Alien" or "Terminator" films. As said, i'm not opposed to nudity at all, even in Stargate. But, for now I hypothesise that the presence of nudity in the show wouldn't enhance the characterisation or feel of the show in the same way it would The Sopranos or Sex & The City. But, if I read before hand about it being in the show, i'll definitely still watch and keep an open mind by suspending judgment until I see the final product.

jenks
July 16th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Well, it's not a case of necessity I suppose. I admit i've picked the wrong word there...more a case of relevance I suppose. The Sopranos obviously is a show revolving around the activities of a mob boss who is a part owner in a strip club. Already, the place for nudity has been set out. He (Tony Soprano) also has a number of mistresses that he has going on the side. I don't feel uncomfortable with the nudity because the subject matter and nature of the show is gritty which compliments the overarching theme of crime really well. Of course, that's just my opinion, but, given that it's a show about crime, adultery, drugs, murder, extortion and family, the subject matter of nudity pretty much seems inevitable.

Now, compare that to a show like Stargate where it is about exploration, science, action, adventure and camaraderie, the tone is automatically different. I'm certainly not suggesting that nudity hasn't played an element in sci-fi before, far from it. Just look at James Cameron's series of "Alien" or "Terminator" films. As said, i'm not opposed to nudity at all, even in Stargate. But, for now I hypothesise that the presence of nudity in the show wouldn't enhance the characterisation or feel of the show in the same way it would The Sopranos or Sex & The City. But, if I read before hand about it being in the show, i'll definitely still watch and keep an open mind by suspending judgment until I see the final product.

It's going to be a character driven show that follows a group of people stuck in a relatively small space with little to no recreational activities. It would be unrealistic for there to be no sex, whether shown or not, and I think it would add to the character relationships as much as both shows you're listed if not more so. I mean if they do something (or someone) they regret, they really have no where to hide.

TryWhistlingThis
July 16th, 2009, 09:09 PM
It's going to be a character driven show that follows a group of people stuck in a relatively small space with little to no recreational activities. It would be unrealistic for there to be no sex, whether shown or not, and I think it would add to the character relationships as much as both shows you're listed if not more so. I mean if they do something (or someone) they regret, they really have no where to hide.

All of this is completely valid, I totally agree. But, at the same time it's a given that the need to reproduce will be raised. This is where subtlety comes into a script. But, like I said, i'm not completely opposed to it, just as long as it's done with a sense of class and reason. That is, it's not just there to function as an FHM moment but has some real depth as to what's going on.

You're talking to a Battlestar Galactica fan keep in mind ;)

Alan Wake
July 16th, 2009, 09:17 PM
I wonder how long until we get that baby story arc again.

Madwelshboy
July 16th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Don't know about nudity, but it looks like we'll get some skin tho.

Quadhelix
July 17th, 2009, 03:24 PM
But, at the same time it's a given that the need to reproduce will be raised. Not likely, if you mean the need to produce offspring in order to replace the elderly and dying: the crew of the Destiny are still, in essence, explorers, not colonists. They have no intention of staying on the Destiny long enough for babies to grow into "useful" individuals.

If you mean the issue of lust in confined spaces, then yeah, maybe.

MIZA
July 17th, 2009, 04:02 PM
I disagree. I would definitely consider those Teal'c and Vala scenes to be graphic violence. Not sure why the distinction between violent graphic scenes and just graphic ones matters, I mean I think an alien forcing its way out of a live character's abdomen would be a hell of a lot more disturbing for a child than seeing a 'baddie' getting stabbed.






well one thing i i do know that is SGU is going to be more graphic and violent than SG-1 and SGA so it will put all this to rest about graphic violence and stuff, and the fact if it will be suitable for children.

jenks
July 17th, 2009, 04:12 PM
well one thing i i do know that is SGU is going to be more graphic and violent than SG-1 and SGA so it will put all this to rest about graphic violence and stuff, and the fact if it will be suitable for children.

I'm sorry I can't understand what you're trying to type.

wkw427
July 17th, 2009, 05:32 PM
I'm 16

Nudity + stargate=no

Coronach
July 17th, 2009, 05:35 PM
I'm 16

Nudity + stargate=no

Huh?

jelgate
July 17th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Huh?

Its simple. He is saying despite falling in the "hormone crazed teenager" category he thinks nudity in Stargate is a bad idea.