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GateWorld
September 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM
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Helen and Will crash in the Himalayan mountains after capturing a vicious snow creature. But with rescue blocked by a major storm, their expedition members begin to lose their cool.

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Skydiver
October 24th, 2008, 08:12 PM
so, what do we learn?

helen has sanctuaries all over the world, some/most/all of which she owns
sylvio is dead
helen met druitt at oxford and loved him with 'all her heart'
they have some really high tech tracking stuff if ash knows the location of the crash

it was full of twists and turns that kept you guessing...i think my one nit was that ALL the red shirts died.

that and will not knowing the 'right' way to slit one's wrist. i think even psychlogists have to take basic med school,and even if he didn't, with his time as a csi, he'd have known

but other than that, it was pretty good and kept you guessing

Rocky89
October 24th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Hi guys, I just saw Kush and WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA! That was a wicked episode :). I started taping the episode, and I was super surprised to see Amanda giving the intro about Sanctuary on TMN :samanime20:. I was also surprised to see David Nykl (Zelenka) and Sarah Strange (Morgan Le Fay) in the episode too, when ever I saw Helen and David's character, i thought of the time Carter and Zelenka were stuck in the elevator in Atlantis :D

Anyway, the episode IMHO was by far the best yet, it was full of surprises, twists and turns :). I usually see what's coming, because I've seen it all, or so I thought ;). The whole time I thought Druitt was behind all the deaths, but I was wrong, he actually turned out to be useful :). I thought the flashbacks some of them had were really cool, and good old Helen, she kept dreaming of Druitt ;). I can easily say this was the biggest Helen eppy yet ;). I loved all of Helen's moments, especially her dislike toward coffee jokes :D, and her proud to be Brit joke was priceless :P. I liked how at the start we got a bit into Helen and John's love life, and what they meant to each other, and it was great seeing a blonde Helen Magnus :samanime51:. Watching her science skills reminded me of Carter a bit, but I'm starting to see Helen as her own science woman though :). The ending was wicked, how Helen was able to figure out who the monster was and BANG! shoot it down http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/helenmagnusanifj5.gif.

I loved this episode, and I can see why Amanda said she was proud of it, and now I'm really looking forward to the episode Requiem even more ;).

ann_sgcfan
October 24th, 2008, 08:38 PM
I thought it was a great episode that kept you guessing. Loved John and Will's mom showing up. We had character development, back story and a mystery. :D I want to see the 2nd airing to catch all of John and Helen's discussions. I really liked how John woke her up and Helen was able to decipher the trap. :D

EDIT: One thing I wonder about... John always appeared to Helen as he did in the 1800's until the final scene where he appeared like the current John we have seen. I just wonder why the change. Any thoughts?

the fifth man
October 24th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Tonight's episode was definitely a good one. Great story, but I figured out who the creature was pretty early on actually.

dasNdanger
October 24th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I thought it was a great episode that kept you guessing. Loved John and Will's mom showing up. We had character development, back story and a mystery. :D I want to see the 2nd airing to catch all of John and Helen's discussions. I really liked how John woke her up and Helen was able to decipher the trap. :D

EDIT: One thing I wonder about... John always appeared to Helen as he did in the 1800's until the final scene where he appeared like the current John we have seen. I just wonder why the change. Any thoughts?


Maybe that last one was the real John. He told her to wake up - the other times he was telling her to stay with him, as Will's mom did, too. I'm thinking that last one may have been John...or, I hope it was John...

I am really loving his character. And I LOVED this episode! Very suspenseful!! I was just sad to see so many die...I was hoping the last guy would make it, but I understand why he didn't (because it was a literal process of elimination). I figured out it was the girl when Helen told her about the blood experiment...I was yelling at Helen in my head not to tell her the plan, but she didn't listen. :(


das

JanSam
October 24th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Great episode! Love the background story we get along with the mystery to solve. Damian seems to love writing little twists. Yeah Ann I think it was because that version of John......"I need you to wake up."

Naddy
October 24th, 2008, 09:47 PM
I just watched this one and it was definitely my favourite one yet! I like that, for the most part, it's past the webisodes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the part at the beginning - with the carriage - that was in the webisodes right?

I thought it was great to see these guest actors that I knew from the SG universe. It's kinda funny 'cause sometimes I still see Helen a bit as Sam - that part where she tells the copilot (David Nykl) that his leg is broken.. I was thinking back to Solitudes. I think it's 'cause my brother and sister just watched it.. Then I remembered Trio.. anyways.

I liked Sarah Strange (Morgan Le Fay) and David Nykl. I'm also really starting to like the dynamic between Helen and Will. As previously mentioned, I loved the coffee jokes. I'm a big tea drinker, though I will "sink" to coffee if desperate enough lol, so I thought that was great.

Just a question: has anyone else ever watched ReGenesis? Because it's two weeks in a row now that they've had fairly major actors from the series on Sanctuary. Just wondering....

SamJackShipper93
October 24th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Very cool ep! Loved seeing Sarah and David again!

Full of twists and turns, loved the insights and have to agree. The only thing that really and truly bugged me was that everyone died except our heroes. Loved the coffee jokes, and I thought it was cute when the one guy saluted Magnus. Kinda reminded me of Sam. :sam:

Looking forward to the next episode! ~Jess

majorsal
October 24th, 2008, 11:12 PM
before giving my full review tomorrow, i'll say...

GREAT ep!! :D

*squees at amount of helen in ep*


:D

antoa
October 24th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Tonight's episode was definitely a good one. Great story, but I figured out who the creature was pretty early on actually.
I caught on early too, but that didn't detract from my enjoyment one bit!

There were a few moments where I doubted my conclusion for a second.

The carriage scene was indeed in the webisodes. That was a wonderful way to start things out.

I loved the insight we got into Helen and her relationship with John. Such torment. AT and CH are so captivating when on screen together.

I loved this episode. It was solid. Action, intrigue, a touch of comedy. I love when things just mess with your head. That's way creepier than a giant scary monster.

So much to say about this episode, but it's late here and I have to get up early for a *3 hour* dance class! Gah!

jasminaGo
October 25th, 2008, 05:20 AM
The show just keeps getting better and better.

It wasn't hard very figure it out who the bad guy...girl...thing was, but the episode was still very tense. "The scariest monster is the one you can't see" so true!!! You don't know what's real and what's not, and I loved that about this ep.

I always knew that there were more Sanctuaries around the world, but Helen owns them? Cool! I guess it would make sense for her to spend time in each of them, I mean if she stays in one place too long, after 20 years the neighbours will start asking questions as to why she's not getting any older.

Loved the Helen/Will banter about coffee and tea. Who knew they can save your life? :p Also great little bits about Helen's past with John. He's still a very important part in her life, and I think that the last John (the one that told her to wake up) was part of her subconscious and not work of the creature. Can't wait to find out more!!!

AutumnDream
October 25th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Dis is v.good show.

I was excited by her seeing Druitt at the start, before I knew they were all hallucinating. It would have been an interesting ongoing plot point if she'd been having visions of him. But it was cool anyway. It was nice to see Zelenka, it was rad even though he died so early on.

EH-T
October 25th, 2008, 08:52 AM
I just watched this one and it was definitely my favourite one yet! I like that, for the most part, it's past the webisodes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the part at the beginning - with the carriage - that was in the webisodes right?

I thought it was great to see these guest actors that I knew from the SG universe. It's kinda funny 'cause sometimes I still see Helen a bit as Sam - that part where she tells the copilot (David Nykl) that his leg is broken.. I was thinking back to Solitudes. I think it's 'cause my brother and sister just watched it.. Then I remembered Trio.. anyways.

I liked Sarah Strange (Morgan Le Fay) and David Nykl. I'm also really starting to like the dynamic between Helen and Will. As previously mentioned, I loved the coffee jokes. I'm a big tea drinker, though I will "sink" to coffee if desperate enough lol, so I thought that was great.

Just a question: has anyone else ever watched ReGenesis? Because it's two weeks in a row now that they've had fairly major actors from the series on Sanctuary. Just wondering....

I haven't seen ReGenesis but I knew Peter Outerbridge was in it. Who from this week's line up is in it? Is it Sarah?

REALLY liked this episode. My favourite so far. I loved seing more Helen. I'm loving her sense of humour so nice to see more of that here. Not only the comments about coffee but I like her telling Allison about the other creatures and then saying she only made two of them up. :) I'm also liking her compassion for others. Great look by AT after they put that guy in the small enclosure.

Sorry to see Silvio die, I was starting to like him a lot.

I don't think I've ever heard DN speak other than in Atlantis so starnge hearing him without an accent. Small role but I thought he did a wondeful job.

I had no clue who was the bad guy. Either too tired after a long week or just not as smart as you all. :)

I'm with Antoa about AT and CH. I think they are fabulous together. So looking forward to more of that.

tagger
October 25th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I thought it was a great episode that kept you guessing. Loved John and Will's mom showing up. We had character development, back story and a mystery. :D I want to see the 2nd airing to catch all of John and Helen's discussions. I really liked how John woke her up and Helen was able to decipher the trap. :D

EDIT: One thing I wonder about... John always appeared to Helen as he did in the 1800's until the final scene where he appeared like the current John we have seen. I just wonder why the change. Any thoughts?

I wondered that, too. He was the only current Druitt and actually woke her up before the danger occurred. Hmmm. I wondered if he was a real Druitt who arrived by space/time warping (but we don't see the space warp graphic)? Or, a real Helen memory, not manipulated by the monster?

What I got out of the Helen/Druitt scenes is how much she still loves him - it seems like she could fall for him again from the look in her eyes. How scary is that?!?

I love that Helen has Sanctuary sites all over the world!!

The guy who played Braun was on SG -1, Company of Thieves I think?

I love seeing all the SG people!! I like that they have work, and seeing them play something completely different is cool.

Skydiver
October 25th, 2008, 10:05 AM
i think, 'real' druitt vs 'fantasy' druitt...before helen realized their dreams were being manipulated, she could 'indulge' herself in her memories. she could let herself remember the 'good times', but once she realized that the creature was manipulating them, then she rationally knew it couldn't be druitt in her head, so she wouldn't see the 'good times druitt', she would see the real one

what's interesting is that he was trying to help her or warn her. so, i think, her 'betrayal, by him is an influence in how she treats/sees people. i think her experience with john took a lot of the naivete out of her and gave her the cynicism that she needs to survive

tagger
October 25th, 2008, 10:10 AM
i think, 'real' druitt vs 'fantasy' druitt...before helen realized their dreams were being manipulated, she could 'indulge' herself in her memories. she could let herself remember the 'good times', but once she realized that the creature was manipulating them, then she rationally knew it couldn't be druitt in her head, so she wouldn't see the 'good times druitt', she would see the real one

what's interesting is that he was trying to help her or warn her. so, i think, her 'betrayal, by him is an influence in how she treats/sees people. i think her experience with john took a lot of the naivete out of her and gave her the cynicism that she needs to survive

Very insightful. The real versus fantasy druitt ideas. :cool:

The reason I couldn't understand what Druitt was doing, was because he helped her, which I didn't think the monster manipulation/hallucination would do. Maybe it was because Helen was beginning to control the monster's effect on her?

I'm sure Druitt completely changed Helen's view of the world. Been there, done that myself.

silly sally
October 25th, 2008, 10:26 AM
I thought Silvio was a vampire meaning he couldn't die from a simple stab wound? Too dark (literally), too boring (the action seemed to stall at times), too predictable (I suspected Allison 10 minutes into the episode), Amanda/Helen seems to randomly lose her accent throughout the episode, Will features too much, Ashley and Bigfoot (my faves) are almost non-existent. Lamest episode so far 6/10...

EvenstarSRV
October 25th, 2008, 03:43 PM
REALLY liked this episode. My favourite so far. I loved seing more Helen. I'm loving her sense of humour so nice to see more of that here. Not only the comments about coffee but I like her telling Allison about the other creatures and then saying she only made two of them up. :) I'm also liking her compassion for others. Great look by AT after they put that guy in the small enclosure.

Sorry to see Silvio die, I was starting to like him a lot.

I don't think I've ever heard DN speak other than in Atlantis so starnge hearing him without an accent. Small role but I thought he did a wondeful job.

I had no clue who was the bad guy. Either too tired after a long week or just not as smart as you all. :)

I'm with Antoa about AT and CH. I think they are fabulous together. So looking forward to more of that.

I agree on all points. Loved the Helen/Will banter about coffee and it was especially cool how that helped Helen figure it out the monster in the end.

Loved Helen comforting Allison about telling stories about her other close calls, though I wonder which was the one she wasn't making up.

Without the hair and accent it took me forever to remember David Nykl was in this episode. He did a great job with small part. I also really liked Silvio, Tashi, and the other guest characters, and I wish they hadn't all died.

And AT and CH are just made of awesome. Though I did have a flashback to Grace when Druitt said he was a manifestation of her subconscious so she could say what she liked to him. :)

I didn't guess Allison as the monster on the first viewing, but on the second one I noticed that during the first of blood test, she was the one who took the belligerent guy's blood. Probably should have caught that the first time around, but I was pretty fried while watching it. *curses her class schedule again* :o

I can't to see how they redress this set for Requiem. I thought MW did a great job filming in such a confined space.

majorsal
October 25th, 2008, 05:05 PM
I wondered that, too. He was the only current Druitt and actually woke her up before the danger occurred. Hmmm. I wondered if he was a real Druitt who arrived by space/time warping (but we don't see the space warp graphic)? Or, a real Helen memory, not manipulated by the monster?

What I got out of the Helen/Druitt scenes is how much she still loves him - it seems like she could fall for him again from the look in her eyes. How scary is that?!?

my mom really loved that scene! she 'awed' when he said she needed to wake up now. :D

i like the effect druit has on helen. he's her big weakness, because she fell in love with him before she became more worldly and realistic. and jaded. and she feels responsible for his condition? why? did her blood turn him bad, or did it only prolong his life and he was able to be bad longer and worse? i'm sure we'll find out eventually.

i also think helen's other big weakness is ashley. :D


I love that Helen has Sanctuary sites all over the world!!

i missed that part. where did she say that?


The guy who played Braun was on SG -1, Company of Thieves I think?

he was the typical jerk, but i felt sorry for him when they stuck him in the safe, or whatever it was. :S


I love seeing all the SG people!! I like that they have work, and seeing them play something completely different is cool.

i wouldn't have known that was zelenka if i hadn't read about it prior to the ep. sorry david n. :p


I agree on all points. Loved the Helen/Will banter about coffee and it was especially cool how that helped Helen figure it out the monster in the end.

that was VERY cool! and i loved how as soon as helen realized it wasn't zimmerman, she blowed him/it away. no hesitation. brave. and scarey.


Loved Helen comforting Allison about telling stories about her other close calls, though I wonder which was the one she wasn't making up.

another great scene. :p

but what were all the things helen said to her? sometimes i have probs hearing what's said on this show.


I also really liked Silvio, Tashi, and the other guest characters, and I wish they hadn't all died.

yeah, too bad they died. they ALL died. :S but i liked tashi the most. don't know why.


And AT and CH are just made of awesome. Though I did have a flashback to Grace when Druitt said he was a manifestation of her subconscious so she could say what she liked to him. :)

do you think there's a possibility that it really was john, coming to her in her dreams? i know he can do all that jumping through time and such, but maybe...


I didn't guess Allison as the monster on the first viewing, but on the second one I noticed that during the first of blood test, she was the one who took the belligerent guy's blood. Probably should have caught that the first time around, but I was pretty fried while watching it. *curses her class schedule again* :o

this surprise was ruined for me, because i just HAD to skim through ppl's reviews before it came on for me. :p but i 'think' i would have suspected her after belligerent guy's death, because as you said, she's the one that handled his blood and could have faked something.


for my review (abridged version, because i've just responded to things already):

i think this show is getting better and better! a very intense script, and, for me, surprised me and kept me guessing. i didn't feel it was by-the-numbers writing at all, which i can't say for all the shows i watch. i like shows that make you think and make you have to pay attention.

k, some other things i enjoyed that i haven't commented on -

*LOVED ashley's line to helen just before they hung up, with ash saying it was good to hear her (can't remember ash's exact words). mother/daughter relationships are something i adore, because of my own wonderful relay with my mom.

*great atmoshere! this includes the howling wind we heard through most of the ep. gave a greater impression of intense cold.

*the scene at the end, just after helen shot fakewill/creature and then will came into the cabin; i liked how helen solemnly sat down in the seat, with will joining her. i hate it when heroes go through extreme situations, including killing ppl, and then the heroes just strug it off and joke afterwards. i don't care how often someone does this sort of thing, killing something/someone should *never* be taken as whatever. helen sitting down and looking introspective was something i appreciated. yeah, it could have been mostly fatigue, but i think she was also troubled that she'd just killed an abnormal, even if it was out to kill them.

*ashley and bigfoot being worried and doing whatever they had to to rescue helen and will.

*when fakewill/creature was talking to helen, and we could see the real will outside the plane and trying to get her attention: my mom and i were yelling (a bit too loud, because we woke up my dad who was going 'what? what!' :p) for helen to turn to the window! that was a freaky scene. ;)

*what i appreciated more than anything else was the amount of helen screen time. i've been craving not only *seeing* more helen, but delving into who she is and such. this show is super cool to look at and i enjoy all the characters, but i'm watching for helen/amanda and... yeah, just more helen please. :)




sally :D

EvenstarSRV
October 25th, 2008, 05:50 PM
i missed that part. where did she say that?


I think it was when Helen and Will were explaining themselves to the rest of the passengers, that they were transporting the rare creature to her Sanctuary in New Delhi, which I think Allison ran for her.




but what were all the things helen said to her? sometimes i have probs hearing what's said on this show.

I think it was a mob of zombies in Uganda, a giant squid attacking her sub, and then a man that turned into a crazy ape. I think the squid story was the real one. :)



do you think there's a possibility that it really was john, coming to her in her dreams? i know he can do all that jumping through time and such, but maybe...

I don't think it was the real John, since I thought he can only jump through time and not into people's thoughts. I'm inclined to this it was a sorta monster-induced hallucination, but because Helen is aware of the monster's influence at this point, she is perhaps more in control of the hallucination? Such as Druitt wearing his modern clothes instead of the Victorian ones, and this time Helen spoke to him, which I don't think she did before.



*the scene at the end, just after helen shot fakewill/creature and then will came into the cabin; i liked how helen solemnly sat down in the seat, with will joining her. i hate it when heroes go through extreme situations, including killing ppl, and then the heroes just strug it off and joke afterwards. i don't care how often someone does this sort of thing, killing something/someone should *never* be taken as whatever. helen sitting down and looking introspective was something i appreciated. yeah, it could have been mostly fatigue, but i think she was also troubled that she'd just killed an abnormal, even if it was out to kill them.

I really enjoyed that scene as well. Even though they did defeat the monster, it was at a 'hell of a cost', so I liked how somber both Will and Helen were in the final scene.

Rocky89
October 25th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I caught on early too, but that didn't detract from my enjoyment one bit!

There were a few moments where I doubted my conclusion for a second.

The carriage scene was indeed in the webisodes. That was a wonderful way to start things out.

I loved the insight we got into Helen and her relationship with John. Such torment. AT and CH are so captivating when on screen together.

I loved this episode. It was solid. Action, intrigue, a touch of comedy. I love when things just mess with your head. That's way creepier than a giant scary monster.

So much to say about this episode, but it's late here and I have to get up early for a *3 hour* dance class! Gah!

I agree, this episode was so freaky, I love seeing Helen and John on screen together, their scenes have so much emotion and story behind them.


The show just keeps getting better and better.

It wasn't hard very figure it out who the bad guy...girl...thing was, but the episode was still very tense. "The scariest monster is the one you can't see" so true!!! You don't know what's real and what's not, and I loved that about this ep.

I always knew that there were more Sanctuaries around the world, but Helen owns them? Cool! I guess it would make sense for her to spend time in each of them, I mean if she stays in one place too long, after 20 years the neighbours will start asking questions as to why she's not getting any older.

Loved the Helen/Will banter about coffee and tea. Who knew they can save your life? Also great little bits about Helen's past with John. He's still a very important part in her life, and I think that the last John (the one that told her to wake up) was part of her subconscious and not work of the creature. Can't wait to find out more!!!

:indeed: I loved Helen's jokes about her dislike towards coffee, and I like how she called it sludge :D. I also like how she made up that story (well, only those 2 parts) and I just loved all of her and the episode all together.


before giving my full review tomorrow, i'll say...

GREAT ep!!

*squees at amount of helen in ep*

:D

And I'm looking forward to commenting on it :P.


my mom really loved that scene! she 'awed' when he said she needed to wake up now.

i like the effect druit has on helen. he's her big weakness, because she fell in love with him before she became more worldly and realistic. and jaded. and she feels responsible for his condition? why? did her blood turn him bad, or did it only prolong his life and he was able to be bad longer and worse? i'm sure we'll find out eventually.

Your mom's cool Sally ;). I'm glad how everytime she dreamed of him it was happy thoughts, and I think deep down she wishes they could be real.


he was the typical jerk, but i felt sorry for him when they stuck him in the safe, or whatever it was.


that was VERY cool! and i loved how as soon as helen realized it wasn't zimmerman, she blowed him/it away. no hesitation. brave. and scarey.

That part was wicked, I loved how she just got out her gun and blew it away ;).


do you think there's a possibility that it really was john, coming to her in her dreams? i know he can do all that jumping through time and such, but maybe...

I thought that too sometimes, even through-out the episode I thought he was the one killing them, I was wrong :P.


for my review (abridged version, because i've just responded to things already):

i think this show is getting better and better! a very intense script, and, for me, surprised me and kept me guessing. i didn't feel it was by-the-numbers writing at all, which i can't say for all the shows i watch. i like shows that make you think and make you have to pay attention.

k, some other things i enjoyed that i haven't commented on -

*LOVED ashley's line to helen just before they hung up, with ash saying it was good to hear her (can't remember ash's exact words). mother/daughter relationships are something i adore, because of my own wonderful relay with my mom.

Nice :). Some shows I knew what's going to happen, others keep me guessing, SG-1, Atlantis, and Sanctuary kept me guessing, and for so many reasons more, they made me love these shows even more. That and the all had one thing in common-- Amanda :samanime20:.


*great atmoshere! this includes the howling wind we heard through most of the ep. gave a greater impression of intense cold.

Agreed, I love how the effects look so real, and they're real enough that your not taken out of the show ;).


*when fakewill/creature was talking to helen, and we could see the real will outside the plane and trying to get her attention: my mom and i were yelling (a bit too loud, because we woke up my dad who was going 'what? what!' :p) for helen to turn to the window! that was a
freaky scene. ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHA, I bet you did :P. When I saw that scene, I actually thought of you, and what you'd say to that :D.


*what i appreciated more than anything else was the amount of helen screen time. i've been craving not only *seeing* more helen, but delving into who she is and such. this show is super cool to look at and i enjoy all the characters, but i'm watching for helen/amanda and... yeah, just more helen please. :)


sally :D

:D I thought you'd appreciated that :P. You're right, I've been waiting more Helen screen time for a while now, and last night, boy did I get my Amanda/Helen fix :D. I can't wait for Requiem, I can't wait to see Helen's crazy side ;).

Coaster
October 25th, 2008, 07:07 PM
when ever I saw Helen and David's character, i thought of the time Carter and Zelenka were stuck in the elevator in Atlantis :D
LOL, me too! Especially in the scene where he's insisting that he wasn't hiding; it was so much like the scene in Quarantine where he kept apologizing. I wonder if they had some offscreen laughs while doing that scene; I would. :D

I clued in pretty early on that the monster was probably one of the people shape-shifted, but I was convinced it was the stowaway right up until he was killed.

The dreams were super-creepy and very effective at increasing the tension.

Overall great episode; had me on the edge of my seat!

helenmagnus23
October 25th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by tagger
I wondered that, too. He was the only current Druitt and actually woke her up before the danger occurred. Hmmm. I wondered if he was a real Druitt who arrived by space/time warping (but we don't see the space warp graphic)? Or, a real Helen memory, not manipulated by the monster?

What I got out of the Helen/Druitt scenes is how much she still loves him - it seems like she could fall for him again from the look in her eyes. How scary is that?!?

It could have realy been him but how would he have known where she was ? i believe it was her subconscouis he is the constent thing in her life her love for him is still great and in knowing this her subconscouis brought him up knowing he could help her out knowing what's real and what's not :confused: i dont think it was the monster manipulating her at that point her love for John helped her see what was real and BANG! the monster is gone :cool:

I loved that bit in the carrage at the begining and also when John appered to her in his 1800's wear very cool i'd love to see more between them in boath times .

The tea and coffee part i can sooooooo relate to that bit i have tried coffee but i'm true tea drinker :D

Great episode over all and it was great seeing familyer faces Morgan la fay and Zelenka and i loved at the end Helen and Will sitting together Welcome to reality i cant wait to see NUBBINS ;) though i dont think i can wait two weeks .

Amanda done an amazing job in this episode it will be intersting to see Requim cant wait

AMANDA ROCKS!

Skydiver
October 25th, 2008, 07:13 PM
i'm bettting on the 'man turning into an ape' to be the real one. the 'giant squid' sounds like 20,000 leagues under the sea

Mandysg1
October 25th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Kush was just great...I have to say the episodes keep getting better :D

I'm good at guessing at 'who' it is, or 'who done it' and yes I did figure it was Allison. But it doesn't take the fun out of the episode. I loved the mystery and suspense. And I have to hand it to the actors, I really believed they were cold...knowing they were filming in hot weather and fighting heat exhaustion :eek:

I loved the interaction between Helen and John...such intensity :D I thougth the John at the end waking her up, may have been Helen's manifestation of him, a blend of the John she knew long ago and the one now. And she obvioulsy still has strong feelings for him, no matter what he's done.

I wondered with Will's mother, if her spirit showed up at one time; the time she kept him from getting on the fake helecopter :S Will have to ponder on that :)

Skydiver
October 25th, 2008, 07:34 PM
i gotta admit, when the fake helicopter showed up i was expecting them to be led to the cliff and being in danger of falling off

Naddy
October 25th, 2008, 09:41 PM
From ReGenesis it was Peter Outerbridge from folding man and Sarah Strange. I like seeing a bunch of the same actors -- and I think it was the guy from Braun in Company of Thieves. He played the guy Daniel and Vala went to to get the flight recorder right?

I think the thing with the blood wasn't a matter of Allison having been the one to collect the blood samples, but rather the fact that the creature made them see what it wanted.

I'm curious myself as to which of the 3 adventures that Helen talked about was real; I'm hoping we get to see more of the Sanctuaries around the world.. That'd be neat.

mr_kennedy
October 25th, 2008, 11:09 PM
pretty good episode

and wow i didnt even recognise zalenka :(

EH-T
October 26th, 2008, 01:07 PM
From ReGenesis it was Peter Outerbridge from folding man and Sarah Strange. I like seeing a bunch of the same actors -- and I think it was the guy from Braun in Company of Thieves. He played the guy Daniel and Vala went to to get the flight recorder right?



Yup.

Pocus
October 26th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Loved the ep. I love a mystery and this one had just enough twists for me to keep second guessing myself.

Quick question though. Why did "Radek's" slit wrist wound appear different to Helen and Will? What was the purpose? A slit wrist could kill you no matter what direction if you lose enough blood. Why the need for people to see it differently? Hubby thought it might be to hide a stab wound, like Sylvio's, and make it look like suicide. But again, why look different to different people.

Do you think I repeated myself enough? Sheesh!

Skydiver
October 26th, 2008, 07:10 PM
i THINK the theory was, the stereotypical way to slit your wrists is horizontal, but the real way to do it is vertical. do it horizontal and - theoretically - it won't bleed fast enough, do it vertically and slice the arteries open instead of cutting them, makes it almost impossible to fix

taht's something that a medical doctor would know and not something that your average person would know. will, as a 'civilian' sees things as the stereotype, helen, as a doctor, sees it as the most effective way

and we don't know which of them might be right.

EvenstarSRV
October 26th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Loved the ep. I love a mystery and this one had just enough twists for me to keep second guessing myself.

Quick question though. Why did "Radek's" slit wrist wound appear different to Helen and Will? What was the purpose? A slit wrist could kill you no matter what direction if you lose enough blood. Why the need for people to see it differently? Hubby thought it might be to hide a stab wound, like Sylvio's, and make it look like suicide. But again, why look different to different people.


I think Will and Helen seeing the wound differently was meant to show that the creature could alter their perceptions, like the later scene where Will sees a lock on the cage while Helen does not. Perhaps because Will thought one of the other passengers had killed the co-pilot he saw a smaller wound, while Helen who suspected the creature saw a bigger one.

Pocus
October 26th, 2008, 07:13 PM
i THINK the theory was, the stereotypical way to slit your wrists is horizontal, but the real way to do it is vertical. do it horizontal and - theoretically - it won't bleed fast enough, do it vertically and slice the arteries open instead of cutting them, makes it almost impossible to fix

taht's something that a medical doctor would know and not something that your average person would know. will, as a 'civilian' sees things as the stereotype, helen, as a doctor, sees it as the most effective way

and we don't know which of them might be right.
but was the wound real? So shouldn't they have just seen the real damage?

I was also thinking that the workings of the mind might have played a part in their visual perception, but I keep heading back to ... it should have been a real wound.

Oh well. I guess it is just something I will puzzle over and it might be nothing more than a plot device to let us glimpse how the creature was doing things, playing mind games.

Coaster
October 26th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Quick question though. Why did "Radek's" slit wrist wound appear different to Helen and Will? What was the purpose? A slit wrist could kill you no matter what direction if you lose enough blood. Why the need for people to see it differently? Hubby thought it might be to hide a stab wound, like Sylvio's, and make it look like suicide. But again, why look different to different people.

The hallucinations were personalized, so maybe in that case the way it worked was that each person saw what they personally would expect to see with a slit wrist. That's my theory anyway. ;) (Edit: of course, as I was typing this, three other people answered with basically the same thing. Hee!) :D

One other thing: When Braun (I think it was) said the storm could last for weeks before they could be rescued, did anyone else think of the movie "Alive"? :eek:

Skydiver
October 26th, 2008, 07:31 PM
the thought crossed my mind

chocdoc
October 26th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Best episode yet, IMO. It kept me wondering what was going on for quite awhile. The scene with Will outside the plane trying to get Helen's attention was really good. And all the scenes with Helen and John were really good. Will and Helen also work well together -- the chemistry is there.

I think this episode for me represents that the show is starting to find it's own distinctive pace and rhythm. It will probably take a few more episodes, but I think it is starting to come into its own.

silly sally
October 26th, 2008, 10:35 PM
i THINK the theory was, the stereotypical way to slit your wrists is horizontal, but the real way to do it is vertical. do it horizontal and - theoretically - it won't bleed fast enough, do it vertically and slice the arteries open instead of cutting them, makes it almost impossible to fix

taht's something that a medical doctor would know and not something that your average person would know. will, as a 'civilian' sees things as the stereotype, helen, as a doctor, sees it as the most effective way

and we don't know which of them might be right.

Actually mid-wrist there are only tendons and some veins, the arteries (radial and ulnar) are locate on either sides of the wrist ;)

Commander Zelix
October 27th, 2008, 03:02 AM
The best episode yet. Nice mystery there. Love stories with some twist. Sanctuary is fun to watch.

Egle01
October 28th, 2008, 03:54 AM
I agree it being the best ep so far. :D Very good and scary storyline.

Integrabyte
October 28th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Apart from the Helen and John flashbacks, I did not like it at all :(.

KatG
October 28th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Very insightful. The real versus fantasy druitt ideas. :cool:

The reason I couldn't understand what Druitt was doing, was because he helped her, which I didn't think the monster manipulation/hallucination would do. Maybe it was because Helen was beginning to control the monster's effect on her?






I don't think it was the real John, since I thought he can only jump through time and not into people's thoughts. I'm inclined to this it was a sorta monster-induced hallucination, but because Helen is aware of the monster's influence at this point, she is perhaps more in control of the hallucination? Such as Druitt wearing his modern clothes instead of the Victorian ones, and this time Helen spoke to him, which I don't think she did before.


My take on the two different Druitts build on the above. I think that by the time the modern day Druitt appeared, the monster knew that Helen had figured out that the visions were being caused by the monster. She would have questioned the past version at that point, but by making him appear different and having him tell her to wake up, then when she did and saw 'fake Will" she would be less likely to question him as "fake". So I think that modern day Druitt was a ploy of the monster, a "fake out" of a fake so to speak.

And btw this episode was the best one yet imo. Up until now, I've enjoyed it, but haven't been completely "wowed" by it, but this one definitely grabbed me.

dasNdanger
October 28th, 2008, 08:20 AM
We've been discussing the Helen/Druitt scenes in the Helen/Druitt thread.

Some things we've noticed...

In there last scene together, Druitt's hand doesn't cast a shadow on her cheek (though after he's gone her coat or hair casts a shadow on her cheek). This suggests that he is just her imagination, and didn't jump into her reality.

However, there is also a flash of light when he tells her to wake up. I wonder if, in that one instant, the real Druitt - or at the very least, his consciousness - did reach out to her. Perhaps not, but it would be a nice thought to consider.

Something else about that scene, however - really, all of their scenes together. This was Helen's mind, Helen remembering their times together, Helen questioning herself if she ever really loved him, and admitting - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that she did. If that's the case, then - at that moment when Druitt told her to wake up - then it was her remembering that he was, at one time - good.

Now - was it the creature telling her to wake up? No - I don't think so. I think that was really either Helen's good memories of John trying to save her, or the real John's consciousness reaching through time and space to help her.

From the little I know of John, and his relationship with Helen, I suspect it's a very intense love-hate thing between them. Even though John's a monster now, there is still part of him that clings to his old humanity, part of him that isn't pure evil. It could have been this part of him - either figuratively or literally - reaching out to help Helen in her time of need.

It was, I feel, the best moment of the episode - very intense, and very thought-provoking.

das

poundpuppy29
October 28th, 2008, 01:43 PM
This ep was so so for me I did like the Helen parts but ep story itself was just ok

EvenstarSRV
October 28th, 2008, 02:46 PM
We've been discussing the Helen/Druitt scenes in the Helen/Druitt thread.

Some things we've noticed...

In there last scene together, Druitt's hand doesn't cast a shadow on her cheek (though after he's gone her coat or hair casts a shadow on her cheek). This suggests that he is just her imagination, and didn't jump into her reality.

Wow, nice catch. Now I want to watch the episode again just to see that part. Oh the hardship... :)



Now - was it the creature telling her to wake up? No - I don't think so. I think that was really either Helen's good memories of John trying to save her, or the real John's consciousness reaching through time and space to help her.

From the little I know of John, and his relationship with Helen, I suspect it's a very intense love-hate thing between them. Even though John's a monster now, there is still part of him that clings to his old humanity, part of him that isn't pure evil. It could have been this part of him - either figuratively or literally - reaching out to help Helen in her time of need.

From what we've been shown or told of Druitt's powers so far, it seems to be confined to jumping through time and space, and to me jumping into a person's subconsciousness seems to be a stretch from that. It would make him perhaps too powerful, for if he can reach Helen in the middle of the Himalayas, what's stopping him from getting into Ashley's subconscious and telling her the truth?

I'm inclined to think that it was Helen who woke herself up, using the hallucinated John as the catalyst, and sort of overcoming the monster's control on the hallucination. The monster seemed to then regroup and tried to trick her with the Will hallucination, but Helen seemed suspicious of him from the start, which led to the trick coffee question and Helen blowing the monster away. :)

I do agree that all of Helen's hallucinations centered around her questioning her feelings towards John, and I think you've defined their relationship perfectly as love-hate. I think that's what makes her so afraid of him, because it would probably be so easy for her to fall for him again, despite everything he's done.

helenmagnus23
October 28th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Originaly Posted by dasNdanger
We've been discussing the Helen/Druitt scenes in the Helen/Druitt thread.

Some things we've noticed...

In there last scene together, Druitt's hand doesn't cast a shadow on her cheek (though after he's gone her coat or hair casts a shadow on her cheek). This suggests that he is just her imagination, and didn't jump into her reality.

However, there is also a flash of light when he tells her to wake up. I wonder if, in that one instant, the real Druitt - or at the very least, his consciousness - did reach out to her. Perhaps not, but it would be a nice thought to consider.

Something else about that scene, however - really, all of their scenes together. This was Helen's mind, Helen remembering their times together, Helen questioning herself if she ever really loved him, and admitting - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that she did. If that's the case, then - at that moment when Druitt told her to wake up - then it was her remembering that he was, at one time - good.

Now - was it the creature telling her to wake up? No - I don't think so. I think that was really either Helen's good memories of John trying to save her, or the real John's consciousness reaching through time and space to help her.

From the little I know of John, and his relationship with Helen, I suspect it's a very intense love-hate thing between them. Even though John's a monster now, there is still part of him that clings to his old humanity, part of him that isn't pure evil. It could have been this part of him - either figuratively or literally - reaching out to help Helen in her time of need.

It was, I feel, the best moment of the episode - very intense, and very thought-provoking.

das

I saw that flash to i reckon that Helen was asleep but Druitt was realy there talking to her then he told her to wake up and in a flash he was gone but Helen wouldnt have realy known weather he was in her subconscouis or not .

Though it was all in her head i believe if Druitt was realy there she was telling how she realy still fell's for him having a chance to remember the good old day's :D before facing the monster ahead .

Amalthea
October 28th, 2008, 08:26 PM
I really liked this episode. It was a creepy deeky monster! It was nice seeing Zalenka and Morgan Le Fay again- once in Sci Fi, always in Sci Fi! I thought they were going to make none of them the monster at one point, so, even though I was pretty sure who it was, they did their best to make it not as obvious.

Druitt was also awesome... even if most of the time it was hallucination Druitt. I think Helen's hallucinations were interesting. While she was unconscious, she hallucinated history, but then, hallucinated present. It makes me wonder if the first hallucination was what Will first attributed them all to- altitude and shock. It's also interesting that she believes he hates her. It's a notable word choice, I think. I suspect she did something to him before he knew about Ashley or any of all that.

Overall, fantastic and very creepy!

dasNdanger
October 28th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Wow, nice catch. Now I want to watch the episode again just to see that part. Oh the hardship... :)

The more I watch this show, the more I see...I really am liking it. And I just find Druitt...mesmerizing...


From what we've been shown or told of Druitt's powers so far, it seems to be confined to jumping through time and space, and to me jumping into a person's subconsciousness seems to be a stretch from that. It would make him perhaps too powerful, for if he can reach Helen in the middle of the Himalayas, what's stopping him from getting into Ashley's subconscious and telling her the truth?

I didn't mean that he jumped into her subconscious, but that his consciousness (not his body) jumped into her reality for just a second and told her to wake up (I'm thinking that, perhaps, he wasn't strong enough to make a complete physical jump, so he just projected his thoughts). BUT, you're probably right...I just like to think in the abstract.


I'm inclined to think that it was Helen who woke herself up, using the hallucinated John as the catalyst, and sort of overcoming the monster's control on the hallucination. The monster seemed to then regroup and tried to trick her with the Will hallucination, but Helen seemed suspicious of him from the start, which led to the trick coffee question and Helen blowing the monster away. :)

You're probably right. Just like in the morning, when you have to use the bathroom but you're sound asleep, sometimes you dream that you need a bathroom - it's your subconscious frantically trying to wake you up before you wet the bed. :D

Okay - maybe that was a weird analogy... :o


I do agree that all of Helen's hallucinations centered around her questioning her feelings towards John, and I think you've defined their relationship perfectly as love-hate. I think that's what makes her so afraid of him, because it would probably be so easy for her to fall for him again, despite everything he's done.

Exactly. She knows the temptation is there, and so must protect her heart just as much as she must protect her life, and her child's life.

But what of Druitt? Could he be compared to someone who has an obsessive attraction to Helen? 'If I can't have you, nobody will' type thing? Or is he just struggling to hold onto that bit of happiness he once had, while the monster inside is hellbent on destroying it all?

Could that be his thing? Part of him wanting to hold onto something good, while the other part of him wants to destroy anything, or anyone, that makes him happy? Almost like a masochistic thing?


I saw that flash to i reckon that Helen was asleep but Druitt was realy there talking to her then he told her to wake up and in a flash he was gone but Helen wouldnt have realy known weather he was in her subconscouis or not .

Though it was all in her head i believe if Druitt was realy there she was telling how she realy still fell's for him having a chance to remember the good old day's :D before facing the monster ahead .

I would hope this to be true, but that troublesome lack of a shadow suggests that he wasn't really there. However - did he momentarily jump in during that flash - in and out in an instant? I wonder if we will ever know...

das

EvenstarSRV
October 28th, 2008, 10:27 PM
I didn't mean that he jumped into her subconscious, but that his consciousness (not his body) jumped into her reality for just a second and told her to wake up (I'm thinking that, perhaps, he wasn't strong enough to make a complete physical jump, so he just projected his thoughts). BUT, you're probably right...I just like to think in the abstract.

Ah, gotcha. Though I guess I still don't see Druitt as being able to project his thoughts like that, nor how he would know where Helen was at that moment and that she was in trouble.


You're probably right. Just like in the morning, when you have to use the bathroom but you're sound asleep, sometimes you dream that you need a bathroom - it's your subconscious frantically trying to wake you up before you wet the bed. :D

Okay - maybe that was a weird analogy... :o

Hehe, I get what you're saying. That happens to me all the time with my alarm clock, everything from ambulance sirens to a jazz band. :)



But what of Druitt? Could he be compared to someone who has an obsessive attraction to Helen? 'If I can't have you, nobody will' type thing? Or is he just struggling to hold onto that bit of happiness he once had, while the monster inside is hellbent on destroying it all?


I'm going with the latter. I think Druitt was a good man, but using his power seems to cause some kind of damage to his psyche or self-control (maybe some kind of frontal lobe lesions...I wonder which part of his brain controls his jumping...).

Helen's treatments may have initially eased the symptoms or reversed some of the damage, but it didn't last. So now he's losing the more normal, saner parts of himself every time he jumps, and yet probably struggles to hold on to those parts. He may even be using Helen as a touchstone for that, such as looking at her picture as soon as he jumped in the pilot.

Naddy
October 29th, 2008, 04:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that Druitt's power itself causes some funky stuff with his DNA. I seem to recall from the webisodes - I think it was explained at some point. My understanding is that the mechanism which allows him to jump, some sort of temporal thing 'cause I think he can jump through times as well as places, causes his DNA to mutate. The mutations then make him go kinda nutty and, voila, Jack the Ripper.

My take on it was that if Helen doesn't age, there must be something in her cells allowing for stabilization of the genome - cause part of aging is the breakdown of the successive copies of genetic codes - so maybe her blood stabilizes Druitt's DNA?

Anyone else? I'm not totally sure if I understood this right from the webisode...

EvenstarSRV
October 30th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that Druitt's power itself causes some funky stuff with his DNA. I seem to recall from the webisodes - I think it was explained at some point. My understanding is that the mechanism which allows him to jump, some sort of temporal thing 'cause I think he can jump through times as well as places, causes his DNA to mutate. The mutations then make him go kinda nutty and, voila, Jack the Ripper.

My take on it was that if Helen doesn't age, there must be something in her cells allowing for stabilization of the genome - cause part of aging is the breakdown of the successive copies of genetic codes - so maybe her blood stabilizes Druitt's DNA?

Anyone else? I'm not totally sure if I understood this right from the webisode...

I think so far they've left the reasons behind Helen's longevity and Druitt's powers pretty vague, though we may find out more about Helen in the upcoming episode The Five.

My theory on Helen's longevity is a genetic mutation that produces a special polymerase that allows her to rebuild her telomeres, a string of nucleotides at each end of a person's genome that gets smaller with each successive replication. Older people have shorter telomeres, so I think rebuilding them could theoretically slow down aging.

As for Druitt, the purified blood she gave him in the pilot may have been the polymerase, which maybe also repairs the damage Druitt's jumping causes?

Matt G
November 5th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Hmmm...

1. Noticed David Nykl but only because I was looking for him after his name turned up in the credits.

2. Called Alison as the creature halfway through.

3. Silvio's a vampire? Trying to work out where I've seen him before!

4. Yes Helen should have noticed Will outside.

Overall, meh, this sort of stuff has been done better elsewhere. Is it me though or are all the regulars here Samanda veterans?

majorsal
November 5th, 2008, 09:39 PM
watched 'kush' again. a REALLY good episode! loved the atmosphere, the who-done-it, and especially loved seeing so much helen!

:D

AvatarIII
November 7th, 2008, 05:21 AM
awesome!! this was the kind of ep i was waiting for after fata morgana mediocrity

Celandine
November 15th, 2008, 09:19 AM
I'm a bit behind in watching all the eps but am slowly catching up thankfully. Most of teh eps so far have been great, but didnt sit with me enough to make me want to post any comments as of yet, until of course I saw Kush.

For starters, the change in scene was refreshing. The plot was different. Those two had me hooked right away. Also, I've always been a fan of psychological type thrillers and Kush had all these elements. I loved wondering and guessing who might be the 'monster' and how Helen and Will worked together to make something confusing quite plain. As she said, "it's teh little things..." that pointed clear to the answer they were seeking rather than believing what their eyes saw to be truth. Overall, my favorite ep so far. :D

Achaja
November 25th, 2008, 03:36 PM
I like the way John helped Helen :) Good idea for the episode!

Julian
October 24th, 2009, 07:04 PM
that and will not knowing the 'right' way to slit one's wrist. i think even psychlogists have to take basic med school,and even if he didn't, with his time as a csi, he'd have known
Firstly, will is a Psychiatrist. There's a big difference.
Also, there isn't necessarily a 'right' way to slit your wrist - you can easily die either way, but if you slit across then it's most likely for attention, if you slit downwards (the vain that goes up your arm) then you're most likely doing it to die because there's the vain there.

But really what Will saw hasn't got anything to do with that - it was the monster which was making him see things.

Psychologists don't do any med training (at least here in Australia) though we do do a fair bit of work on the brain. However, Psychiatrists would need to have completed a Med degree and then gone on to specialise (I stand to be corrected).

AresLover452
October 26th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Apart from the Helen and John flashbacks, I did not like it at all :(.


the only reason why I watch it is for the fact Helen keeps Seeing John... not Ashley.... JOHN!!


I'm such a shipper.

stargatelover4ever
February 20th, 2010, 12:45 PM
just saw the episode. I felt like I was reading one of Agatha Christie's books :lol:
My brother said right from the start Allison is the killer but I thought he's just being swallow...aparently I was wrong :lol:

AresLover452
May 20th, 2010, 08:02 PM
I like the way John helped Helen :) Good idea for the episode!

I loved how helen was seeing john in the episode, how she saw the good of him from the past and the present him. It was so nice to see and i loved what she said to him.

AresLover452
August 2nd, 2010, 03:07 PM
I was watching this episode again and in the opening it was Helen and John getting into the carriage. I never noticed that John was about to give the driver a location when Helen spoke. I loved how he looked at her and she just smiled that 1000 watt smile of hers and settled in next to him!! it was great!!

helenmagnus23
August 15th, 2010, 01:55 AM
I was watching this episode again and in the opening it was Helen and John getting into the carriage. I never noticed that John was about to give the driver a location when Helen spoke. I loved how he looked at her and she just smiled that 1000 watt smile of hers and settled in next to him!! it was great!!

I never noticed that before:D i love that bit it's a pitty they didnt keep the kiss they so should have!!:D

AresLover452
August 16th, 2010, 01:31 PM
I never noticed that before:D i love that bit it's a pitty they didnt keep the kiss they so should have!!:D

Yes, they should have!!! But that was so funny.

Samantha.Majka
September 11th, 2010, 07:07 AM
I saw this episode yesterday, I couldn't fell asleep. I love it, it is Helen / John episode but it is Helen / Will episode too. I love both of them .. :) They do a really great team :D
I liked the idea of this episode even if the abnormal was horrible.

AresLover452
September 11th, 2010, 09:53 PM
that abnormal was phreaky. Making you see a familiar face and then killing your ass while in said day dream..... how cruel is that?

Though, it was nice for it to be John.

And Will seeing his dead mom was sad. Course i loved when he offered Magnus coffee too. Her reaction was just great.

Darkland
November 14th, 2010, 12:23 AM
This was by far one of my favourite episodes in season 1 so far (of all that i have watched so far!!) The dream sequences and the idea behind this particular frightening episode reminds me of a movie I once watched. But it's definetly one of those memorable episodes you won't forget in a hurry!

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 01:59 PM
This episode rocked my socks. To me, it screamed X-Files, from back when the files were still good :p. So the plot was awesome, and there were some really great Magnett moments. We get to see how Magnus was so attached to Druitt, and how their love was not just contractual (as so many engagements were in Victorian Era England), but was actually very tender and heartfelt. And we saw the more charming side of Druitt, not just the crazy bloodthirsty guy.

I loved it. There should be more episodes like this one in Season 4!

Skydiver
July 23rd, 2012, 06:44 PM
so Kush, a murder mystery on a plane in a blizzard.

in some ways it was predictable...in others not so much. We did have a retread of webbie material - to be expected, existing footage is too valuable to waste.

all in all it was just a great old adventure.

JanSam
July 24th, 2012, 07:57 PM
Not much to say about this one, it was an ok episode. I was glad to see the webisode material of Helen and John; nice to see John being other than menacing.

fems
July 26th, 2012, 12:02 PM
Okay, next one on the rewatch list!

I don't remember much from this episode. Now I recognize the opening scene from the webisodes and once again, I feel conflicted about it. It's kind of romantic and nice, but at the same time I don't like the 'hero complex' John seems to have for Helen. She was his doctor and they got involved... that's just unethical.

Mysterious cut to the plane where Helen seems to be trapped in less than favorable conditions. Everything seems to have been thrown around. Nice to see Silvio again, I like him (much more than Ernie from the webisodes). Ooh, looks dangerous when we zoom out and see the plane in the snow. This will be the first crash we see Helen involved in.

Funny how there are always an alarmist in a plane crash/shipwreck. Yay for satellite phones! Aw, nice Ashley/Magnus moment there. I've missed that. Liked the mention of making tea if the gods were smiling upon them. Another mention of the famous Magnus.

I like how Silvio's nature comes out again (asking if he's still going to get paid despite the crash), but always felt there was something off about the creature's escape and the flashback we saw from the pilot's attack.

What is confusing is who all these people are? Why didn't Helen and her Sanctuary people use one of their private planes? What's the scaremonger doing there and the others who don't know Magnus? Everyone still seems to refer to Magnus as the boss, so is she the one who chartered the plane and the unknowns are part of its crew or something? I guess they hadn't decided she was going to be qualified to fly certain aircrafts yet at this time...

I recently rewatched a few episodes from season 3, including the ones with the scenes between Kate and Biggie and now, seeing Ashley and Biggie worry about Magnus and co I'm reminded of different their bond is. I also never warmed up to Kate even though Ashley isn't that big of an addition to the cast either, but I definitely prefer the latter over the former.

Love the coffee, British and standards thing, especially as it comes back throughout the show several times.

Oh-oh, first victim... Well, after the pilot. Intriguing to keep seeing John pop up in Magnus' mind. I wonder what Magnus was doing with her (doctor's) gloves on when Will and the New Delhi doctor were carrying the body out? There wasn't any blood on them and the cause of death had already been determined...

I liked seeing another side of Silvio when he was talking to Tashi (sp?) about his fiancee. Mr Braun (sp?) was really annoying, paranoid and sneaky, getting that gun. Leveling the playing field? Sounds like he's thinking someone is out to get him, instead of the Abnormal that killed the pilot.

I remember when first watching this episode I was wondering why it were memories of Will's mother and John that kept coming to them in their dreams. Then when we saw Giselle I knew. Poor Silvio, I really liked him. He was the kind of crazy you'd expect in that line of work and I liked him in the pilot with Ashley. Even though Magnus never seemed to think too highly of him (his weapons deals and faulty info for the crypt with the Morrigan), I like how she said he was a valuable member of their team when they discovered his body.

Braun is really getting on my nerves, just like the first time. I liked how Will was the first one to suspect the copilot had been killed rather than committed suicide but at the time his suggestion sounded unfounded (and Magnus was right in dismissing it), but then suddenly his brilliance is nowhere to be found again and it's Magnus who is the one to bring up the dreams. That's too bad because I would have expected him, the (forensic) psychiatrist, to realize the truth about the dreams as well and make the connection to the Abnormal.

Interesting that Magnus is telling him Abnormals aren't like humans and don't play by the same rules. It seems she will continue to apply this to non-human Abnormals throughout the show, while treating 'human' Abnormals the same way as normal humans. Odd. Especially considering she (and the rest of The Five) are technically Abnormals as well. Biggie is too, yet she'd never say something like that about him.

Another thing that seemed odd to me is that she is confiding about the Abnormal's telepathic powers to Will, while at the same time telling him the creature could be posing as one of them! For all she knows he's not the real Will! Unless she figures he is the real one because they were already together when she saw 'John'.

The creature certainly is powerful if it can fool so many people at the same time, influencing all their thoughts simultaneously and slowly killing them.

I'm glad it was Will who came up with the blood idea, although it seems doomed to fail considering they just said they couldn't trust anything they see or feel. Even if the blood results could be trusted they have no idea if they even took the samples from the persons they thought they had...

I wonder which 'worse scenario' Magnus was talking about that was true and which were fabricated.

I am surprised they locked Braun up, because they really should have known better. Not to mention that if he's not the creature he's an easy prey! I'm also not sure if he could even get enough oxygen locked up like that until the rescue team comes...

It is interesting that everyone except Doctor New Delhi has mentioned seeing things and that no one seemed to think about doing the blood test twice just to be sure. Kind of stupid, really. That cage doesn't look really sturdy enough to hold any Abnormal.

The 'rescue' by Ashley and Biggie had been done really well and I remember believing it the first time around. I must say Allison (New Delhi Doctor) did a good job playing the corpse too! Looked really freaky.

I get that the Abnormal had to blend in to survive the storm, but why did it have to continue killing people? Couldn't it just have killed the pilot to crash the plane, throw the pilot outside and pretend to be him?

Touching moment between Magnus and John. I like how she says he destroyed her heart because I always thought the same thing throughout the show, but had completely forgotten about this scene where she actually says it. If the creature made her dream about John like it did with the others then why did John tell her to wake up? Was it really a normal dream (influenced by the weather, stress, altitude etc) or was it the creature's way of playing with her mind to make her believe it/John had good intentions considering 'Will' is already in place?

Why does Will keep talking to his mother? He knows she's not real and yet he gets distracted by her and walks away from the plane - again.

Nice trick with the coffee! Too bad everyone but Will and Magnus were killed, though.

One thing I never was able to figure out was why they went looking for the creature in the first place. From what Magnus said about the capture and her Sanctuary etc it sounded like they just wanted one to study them or something, which doesn't sound very Sanctuary-like to me. Just like Will's reaction in the end, "first capture". What, did they just want to add one to their Magnus Book of World Records?

Nice episode, though! Wasn't this also the Abnormal we see in Icebreaker? Suddenly they're not that difficult to capture anymore, eh? ;)

Skydiver
July 27th, 2012, 04:53 AM
one thing i thought of, when the magoi lured the real will outside....no one else woke up???

all i can guess is that the creature is soooo incredibly anti-social that the only way it felt safe was to kill everyone. Maybe it was the Kush....killer of Hindus :) since it seems that anyone that sees it and realizes they've seen it, will be killed by it.

JanSam
July 27th, 2012, 06:38 PM
I believe in one scene Helen told Will, if the creature was unable to live in the harsh conditions and also had to stay on the plane to survive so that could be why it was killing because it felt threatened by the humans.

fems
July 28th, 2012, 02:53 AM
one thing i thought of, when the magoi lured the real will outside....no one else woke up???

all i can guess is that the creature is soooo incredibly anti-social that the only way it felt safe was to kill everyone. Maybe it was the Kush....killer of Hindus :) since it seems that anyone that sees it and realizes they've seen it, will be killed by it.

Unfortunately the anti-social thing flies out the window with what we see in Icebreaker. Unless they only accept their own kind or something like that.

fems
July 28th, 2012, 02:55 AM
I believe in one scene Helen told Will, if the creature was unable to live in the harsh conditions and also had to stay on the plane to survive so that could be why it was killing because it felt threatened by the humans.

Yes, but it wouldn't have to kill if it had just pretended to be the pilot from the start (after throwing out the pilot's dead body). No one would have been any wiser, or suspicious. But who knows, maybe the creature can only create an illusion for so long and thus had to take them out or be found out.

NumberSix
July 30th, 2012, 01:07 PM
For me this was the episode that changed Sanctuary from a show I'd watch if it was convenient to one I didn't want to miss. It kept me guessing and wondering which one of them wasn't human. I liked Helen's visions with John and how they provided some of their history to us (I hadn't seen the webisodes at the time I first saw this episode), and especially when he got her to wake up even though it was in her mind.

Bonniesrg
February 16th, 2014, 03:08 PM
I like the flashback to Helen/John at the beginning. I don't ship John with Helen, but I do see the chemistry between them. :P

The Only main characters on the plane are Helen and Will. I miss the group dynamic between the regulars, though I understand that to make the storyline work you have to have a mix of people who distrust each other.

So we establish that Helen would rather freeze to death than drink coffee. :D

Now John looks great in the leather jacket, but I must say he looks quite dapper in the old times clothes.

So Helen will consider all abnormal possibilities until they can disprove the theory, but she finds a human on human murder faked as a suicide hard to believe. :confused:

Goodbye Silvio, we hardly knew thee..

I can't help believe that Helen/Will were partly responsible for Braun's death. They know the abnormal can effect them mentally to disguise itself as one of them, then they tell everyone about the test, but don't consider that the abnormal will make them see the result it wants.

Then they make a claustrophobic guy squeeze into a small locked place. If they were keeping watch anyway couldn't they have just kept a gun pointed at him. They could have watched in pairs of two incase someone falls asleep.

Helen's subconscious chat with John was very passionate. STOP NOW! I will not ship you. :p


Lessons learned. DO NOT offer Helen coffee. She will shoot you.