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September 12th, 2008, 05:54 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 104</FONT>
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While tracking an elusive jewel thief with the ability to contort his body through small spaces, the Sanctuary team uncovers an underground drug syndicate.

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Falcon 304
October 17th, 2008, 08:15 PM
I know it's rather early to say, but because it's had that profound of an impression on me, I honestly think this series will surpass Atlantis as my second favorite show of all time.

The first scene with the Sanctuary crew was just TOO AMAZING for words :D. Honestly. Also, once again, the music stood out to me.

It really does seem flawless too me. I absolutely HATE it when people start to nit-pick things. That's not to say I'm ignorant to some things. Every once in a while I do find something, or even cringe, at things on Atlantis. We're only three (four, whatever) episodes in, yes, but I'm an optimist! :D

majorsal
October 17th, 2008, 08:32 PM
I know it's rather early to say, but because it's had that profound of an impression on me, I honestly think this series will surpass Atlantis as my second favorite show of all time.

The opening scene was just TOO AMAZING for words :D. Honestly. Also, once again, the music stood out to me.

It really does seem flawless too me. I absolutely HATE it when people start to nit-pick things. That's not to say I'm ignorant to some things. Every once in a while I do find something, or even cringe, at things on Atlantis. We're only three (four, whatever) episodes in, yes, but I'm an optimist! :D

aaaahhh, i want to see this ep NOW!! :p

i have 1 hour and 32 minutes to go... :jack_new_anime05:

Falcon 304
October 17th, 2008, 08:45 PM
aaaahhh, i want to see this ep NOW!! :p

i have 1 hour and 32 minutes to go... :jack_new_anime05:

:lol: You won't be disappointed. :)

the fifth man
October 17th, 2008, 09:01 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. So far, Sanctuary is coming along nicely. At least IMO.

Falcon 304
October 17th, 2008, 09:19 PM
OH, also. Will's friend, Jake was it?

"Internat. gazillionaire"

Helen, does indeed, have the cash money. ;)

SamJackShipper93
October 17th, 2008, 10:41 PM
This show continues to amaze me! It just keeps getting better and better!

I totally didn't see the twist at the end coming!

The acting was incredible, and it was nice to see Alex Zahara again!

Can't wait until next Friday! :)

rderoch
October 17th, 2008, 11:01 PM
OH, also. Will's friend, Jake was it?

"Internat. gazillionaire"

Helen, does indeed, have the cash money. ;)

Hopefully, she doesn't have any money in stocks. :eek:

Episode totally rocked. Loving the humor and Helen's cheekiness. I also liked that they maintained continuity and had the healing scratches on Ashley's throat. Even on SG, when someone was injured, they were fine in the next episode. "Time passed" that we never saw. Which is fine, most series go that way, but it was quite refreshing to see that it was only a couple of days later and there were still remnants of her encounter with the weird critter in the green house room.


I'm wondering if Will will eventually move into the Sanctuary. Right now, it's still a "job" that he goes to each day.

majorsal
October 17th, 2008, 11:21 PM
i really liked the ep! :p

can't say i loved it, because *still*, there's not enough helen! :(


pros -

*i totally didn't see that twist coming. so yeah, that turned out great! :)

*the actor that played the good guy/bad guy did a really good job.

*great effects with ashley and flying man up on the building. great enough that i got a bit antsy with the heights. :p

*i liked zimmerman being upset when the situation (after the shooting) fiinished. i think he knew he was very close to being killed. helen coming to him to see if he was alright was also another great touch.

*loved helen's outfit during the ep. :p


cons -

NOT ENOUGH HELEN! :(


next week's ep looks very dramatic and angsty. yeah! :D


~scifi better hurry and renew the show so i can relax and not worry about it being gone. i'm an amanda addict and MUST have my fix! k, done. for now. no, wait. MORE HELEN/AMANDA! k, done. bye~

SamJackShipper93
October 17th, 2008, 11:42 PM
I second Sally's post! Only thing that could be better is more Amanda/Helen!

But I think she got that point across just fine! :P

Commander Zelix
October 18th, 2008, 03:27 AM
Nice episode. The show's getting a bit better. I wish they could upped the dramatic side of the stories. We should feel a little bit more for the folding men, but we don't know much about them (they backstory and interactions). Still sanctuary is much better that most tv shows. I saw the twist in the end coming, because it was a good twist. In the sense, that they gave us clues all along. I caught it when the prisoners said that : "he wouldn't get caught UNLESS he wanted it too".

AutumnDream
October 18th, 2008, 04:10 AM
Yeah, this is a fun show. I like AT far better as Helen than I have liked her as Sam for years. As a fan of gothic architecture I'm always pleased by the sanctuary itself, that kind of atmosphere puts me in a good mood. I don't really care for procedural-type shows, but all the little things add up to make it pretty enjoyable for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Druitt return, CH is an impressive actor and the storyline with him is interesting.

Falcon 304
October 18th, 2008, 08:50 AM
Because I know it's going to be brought up, I'm going to point out now that Ashley not having scars in Fata Morgana but in this episode proves that they intended for the witches story to air later in the season.

Skydiver
October 18th, 2008, 08:57 AM
this one was enjoyable

I loved seeing alex - weren't we just talking about him guesting??? - and the twist was fantastic.

I liked seeing a more 'normal' adventure. no international conspiracies, no top secret organizations, just an insight into the city and how things work. we see that the sanctuary folks work in concert with existing people and groups in the city. and that the sanctuary is well known amongst the abbies and is held in some esteem.

I think my only 'nit' is that they bout fata morgana between sanctuary for all and this one, so we have the wonderful continuity of ashley's healing scratches go away for an eps, then come back...but i also know that morgana was originally supposed to be later in the season and was moved forward for some reason, so i kinda consider it a second pilot and just ignore the inconsistencies

Rocky89
October 18th, 2008, 12:21 PM
I know it's rather early to say, but because it's had that profound of an impression on me, I honestly think this series will surpass Atlantis as my second favorite show of all time.

The first scene with the Sanctuary crew was just TOO AMAZING for words :D. Honestly. Also, once again, the music stood out to me.

It really does seem flawless too me. I absolutely HATE it when people start to nit-pick things. That's not to say I'm ignorant to some things. Every once in a while I do find something, or even cringe, at things on Atlantis. We're only three (four, whatever) episodes in, yes, but I'm an optimist! :D

:indeed: Since I'm not watching S5 of SGA because of it's lack of Carter :P, Sanctuary is my second favorite show right now, next to SG-1. And Helen's my second favorite TV character, next to Sam :samanime20:. I was right, the show just keeps getting better ;).


I really enjoyed this episode. So far, Sanctuary is coming along nicely. At least IMO.

It can only get better :).


i really liked the ep! :p

can't say i loved it, because *still*, there's not enough helen! :(


pros -

*i totally didn't see that twist coming. so yeah, that turned out great! :)

*the actor that played the good guy/bad guy did a really good job.

*great effects with ashley and flying man up on the building. great enough that i got a bit antsy with the heights.

*i liked zimmerman being upset when the situation (after the shooting) fiinished. i think he knew he was very close to being killed. helen coming to him to see if he was alright was also another great touch.

*loved helen's outfit during the ep. :p


cons -

NOT ENOUGH HELEN!


next week's ep looks very dramatic and angsty. yeah!


~scifi better hurry and renew the show so i can relax and not worry about it being gone. i'm an amanda addict and MUST have my fix! k, done. for now. no, wait. MORE HELEN/AMANDA! k, done. bye~

Well said Sally ;). I like the episode for the reasons as you, and yes WE NEED MORE HELEN ;). I like Helen's choice of clothes, it's weird seeing her in casual clothes, since we mostly saw Sam in her military gear. And like you, without my Amanda fix, I get a little like nomand from yesterdays episode :P.

I can't wait for next week, I'm sure it'll be Helen-licious :D :P.


I second Sally's post! Only thing that could be better is more Amanda/Helen!

But I think she got that point across just fine! :P

I third that ;).


Yeah, this is a fun show. I like AT far better as Helen than I have liked her as Sam for years. As a fan of gothic architecture I'm always pleased by the sanctuary itself, that kind of atmosphere puts me in a good mood. I don't really care for procedural-type shows, but all the little things add up to make it pretty enjoyable for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Druitt return, CH is an impressive actor and the storyline with him is interesting.

I love Helen, but Sam will always be my girl :). Along with the Amanda, so the 3 of them are mine ;).

silly sally
October 18th, 2008, 01:19 PM
This one was better than the Atlantis episode, but still only a 8/10 mainly because it felt a bit rushed...

ann_sgcfan
October 18th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Hopefully, she doesn't have any money in stocks. :eek:

Episode totally rocked. Loving the humor and Helen's cheekiness. I also liked that they maintained continuity and had the healing scratches on Ashley's throat. Even on SG, when someone was injured, they were fine in the next episode. "Time passed" that we never saw. Which is fine, most series go that way, but it was quite refreshing to see that it was only a couple of days later and there were still remnants of her encounter with the weird critter in the green house room.


I'm wondering if Will will eventually move into the Sanctuary. Right now, it's still a "job" that he goes to each day.


Yeah I agree I really enjoyed the episode as well! The little cheekiness from Helen is funny... and I have to wonder about her inside info from the police :P I liked the team chemistry they are developing between all of them some very nice moments in the eppy.

Will's ex-girlfriend said he was never home anymore so I wonder if he will eventually move into the Sanctuary as well. I thought it was funny how everyone knows all about Will, even the evil folding man knew him. :p

The Sanctuary has a good rep with the abnormals out in the world ... even the evil guy said they were the only ones he had to worry about. I never saw the twist coming lol :P Very nice!! When I watched the 2nd airing I picked up on the little clues I missed the first time. Very enjoyable episode! :D

jckfan55
October 18th, 2008, 02:42 PM
I never saw the twist coming lol :P Very nice!! When I watched the 2nd airing I picked up on the little clues I missed the first time. Very enjoyable episode! :D

I was suspicious at first, mainly because I've usually seen that actor play bad guys but then they totally got me off that track so I fell for it.
Like majorsal--I always want more Helen. I loved the scene where she captures the guy. I also liked the bit of banter we got. Not too "joke-y"--it felt like a pretty natural sense of humor to me.

EH-T
October 18th, 2008, 03:11 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. So far, Sanctuary is coming along nicely. At least IMO.


I agree.

I liked the episode. I really like Peter Outerbridge and thought he did a fabulous job here. I did think he might be Nomad when he said Nomad wouldn't get caught unless he wanted to be caught. However, the way they played the narrative of past events threw me so the twist did end up being a surprise. My only complaint was I would have loved a little interaction between Helen and Nomad at the end or maybe have him escape to pop up again.

Liked the working relationship between the main three. Getting to see a bit more of Helen's sense of humour.

Loved seeing several recognizable faces, Alex, the old guy who has been in a few Stargate episodes and Will's ex partner, also a Stargate alum.

My only minor nitpick (sorry Falcon) is completely shallow. Didn't like the wrinkled coat look for Helen. Amanda keeps saying she's sexy and unapoligetic so why are they covering her up in wrinkled coats? (I don't mean the lab coat)

By the way, wasn't that a Prius Will was driving? In keeping with the environmental policies of the show Amanda has mentioned. :)

Falcon 304
October 18th, 2008, 05:33 PM
My only minor nitpick (sorry Falcon) is completely shallow. Didn't like the wrinkled coat look for Helen. Amanda keeps saying she's sexy and unapoligetic so why are they covering her up in wrinkled coats? (I don't mean the lab coat)


Hehe, no problem. I actually have an opposing thought about that, but it's rather... borderline (not towards you, but in general). ;)

starlover
October 18th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Since Sally gave me the link towards this thread...I thought I would read it...and post something:P

I have to agree with most of you and I really liked the episode...though I would like to see more Helen...:D

The con, what already was mentioned, is the healing of Ashley...but I still like it that you see something of it...and it isn't suddenly gone...

I'm really loving the special effects of this series, the fade outs, what Will sees...really cool. The environment of the city is IMHO also beautiful:D *happy sigh*

I also like the clothes that Helen wears....and Ashleys too....:P

I am starting to like Ashley more and more, much more than in the webisodes to be honest...she is way cooler in here...and her little exchanges, like looks, between her and Helen are awesome!:D

Oh totally forget...one little tiny con...the scene with all the "folders" I found it that the few men in the back looked strange as if they were stretched or so...it just looked weird...and not normal...but perhaps that's just me:o

I really hope this series is going to be renewed very soon, it's awesome and I'm already addicted to it

I also need an Amanda fix every week;)

majorsal
October 18th, 2008, 07:38 PM
I'm really loving the special effects of this series, the fade outs, what Will sees...really cool. The environment of the city is IMHO also beautiful:D *happy sigh*

i actually forgot they were using the green screen until the scene where ashley is talking to that flying man on the building rails. VERY high rails. :S :p but it was just beautiful and flawless. ;)

my mom was confused by that scene, though, because she didn't know who the flying man was. she was having some probs hearing what some were saying. i have some of that prob too, mainly with ashley.


I am starting to like Ashley more and more, much more than in the webisodes to be honest...she is way cooler in here...and her little exchanges, like looks, between her and Helen are awesome!:D

ash is really much more likable now, and i'm thankful for that. the scene where will comes into some room and helen and ashley are sitting on the couch together (watching something?); i liked how close helen and her daughter were sitting together. very realistic and intimate. :)



sally :)

dasNdanger
October 18th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Hubby and I finally had a chance to watch this episode, and we both loved it. Curled up on the sofa with some Italian take-out, and wine, and just enjoyed the ride. At first I wasn't too sure...but then the acting just grabbed me. Loved it, and really looking forward to the next episode.

What I like about the concept of this show is that - unlike Stargate - it has a policy of tolerance and acceptance. Sure, some can't be saved, but the goal IS to save, and not to destroy. That underlying theme gives a sense of hope to the stories, something missing in a lot of shows these days.

This was a very intriguing story, and though I saw the twist coming (because of the clues), it was still VERY exciting to see. Loved it all the way round.

das

GraceONeill
October 18th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Because I know it's going to be brought up, I'm going to point out now that Ashley not having scars in Fata Morgana but in this episode proves that they intended for the witches story to air later in the season.

The inconsistencies with the scratches is probably because of the fact that most of Fata Morgana was reused from the webisodes, where Ashley wasn't scratched by the weird monster. I think in this episode they just left it out to save time on reshooting everything with Emilie in it just so they could put the scars in and the fact that it might just look a little strange if in one scene (from the webisodes) she didn't have it and then the next (new scene) she did.

:)

But I did like that they didn't leave it out completely in this episode

helenmagnus23
October 19th, 2008, 03:05 AM
I finaly saw the whole episode it was rocken i loved the bagel scene and also when Ashley said that Helen know's when he changed from boxers to breaifs and when Ashley says they've seen stranger things and looking at Henry .

And the folding men it kind of remided me about the x-files eps Tooms when he squeeze into small areas .

I loved seeing Helen in action i so want to see more i wan to see her kicking but more but i loved the whole episode and i cant wait to see Kush next .

mr_kennedy
October 19th, 2008, 04:54 AM
great episode, so far im not dissapointed with this show, cool twist at the end

anyone else notice the scratches were still on ashley's neck? nice attention to detail

im slowly getting use to amanda tappings british accent

DominaTemporis
October 19th, 2008, 05:44 AM
I'm loving the series so far!! And I have to admit it's waaay better than the webisodes!
Even though I miss the flashbacks to Helen's past... those were cool, I hope we'll see more...



And the folding men it kind of remided me about the x-files eps Tooms when he squeeze into small areas.

OMG! I thought the exact same thing!! That guy was creepy and having a dozen (or more) like him was creepier!! But I loved the episode! The twist at the end... great... I was expecting it at first, but then Alex Zahara made the perfect bit of acting in the "I am the monster" speech and I completely forgot that he might be the bad guy!

And that scene at the end when Helen is comforting Will?? Amazing! Can't wait for Kush... and hoping in some more Helen-action! Sam was good at kicking butts... and I'm sure Helen's the same :D
I miss Druitt though, CH is simply great and his chemistry with Amanda is... undescribable... I recently watched "Revisions" of SG.1, where he plays Pallan, they were good together even then!!

Falcon 304
October 19th, 2008, 06:51 AM
The inconsistencies with the scratches is probably because of the fact that most of Fata Morgana was reused from the webisodes, where Ashley wasn't scratched by the weird monster. I think in this episode they just left it out to save time on reshooting everything with Emilie in it just so they could put the scars in and the fact that it might just look a little strange if in one scene (from the webisodes) she didn't have it and then the next (new scene) she did.

:)

But I did like that they didn't leave it out completely in this episode

Sorry I don't have any links, but I do distinctly remember Amanda and/or Damian saying in multiple interviews that the witches story would air later in the season (episode seven or eight?). Due to the scene where Ashley comes out of the water, they couldn't get away with her having the scratches in the new scenes (most others it was dark or she was moving a lot). Sci-Fi decided at the last moment that they wanted to get the webisode stories out of the way first, then they probably ran it by S3M and they thought it over (knowing of the inconsistency/plot hole that would be created due to the scratches), shrugged and said okay.

jasminaGo
October 19th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Sorry I don't have any links, but I do distinctly remember Amanda and/or Damian saying in multiple interviews that the witches story would air later in the season (episode seven or eight?). Due to the scene where Ashley comes out of the water, they couldn't get away with her having the scratches in the new scenes (most others it was dark or she was moving a lot). Sci-Fi decided at the last moment that they wanted to get the webisode stories out of the way first, then they probably ran it by S3M and they thought it over (knowing of the inconsistency/plot hole that would be created due to the scratches), shrugged and said okay.

I remember that too. But it could be that we're both suffering from schizoaffective disorder and have the same hallucinations. :p


One word about this ep.

AWESOME!!!!!! :cool:

EH-T
October 19th, 2008, 09:11 AM
I finaly saw the whole episode it was rocken i loved the bagel scene and also when Ashley said that Helen know's when he changed from boxers to breaifs and when Ashley says they've seen stranger things and looking at Henry .
And the folding men it kind of remided me about the x-files eps Tooms when he squeeze into small areas .

I loved seeing Helen in action i so want to see more i wan to see her kicking but more but i loved the whole episode and i cant wait to see Kush next .

That was the part that made me laugh the most. I am loving Henry! :)

I also forgot to mention on my previous post that I loved the closing line of the episode. Very clever.

DominaTemporis
October 19th, 2008, 09:18 AM
I remember that too. But it could be that we're both suffering from schizoaffective disorder and have the same hallucinations. :p


If I say that I remember the same thing, does it mean I am schizo-whatever too...or that we are all sane?? :confused:



One word about this ep.

AWESOME!!!!!! :cool:

I second that :)

Clem
October 19th, 2008, 10:15 AM
The murderous flunkey looked so strange i was convinced that the badguy would turn out to be Will's old partner who'd contorted his face as a disguise.

Man my mind goes to the weird place quick.

Egle01
October 19th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Hey. I thought to join the discussion. :D Um, I've loved the show so far. The music is awesome, love the stories and camera work, and of course Amanda - the reason I watch it. The interaction between Helen and Ashley is very enjoyable. Basically every scene with Amanda/Helen there, I gasp for air, she's just sooo stunningly beautiful.

About this ep, loved the twists, you never know what's gonna happen next. :) That's good.

There's just one question that keeps bugging me - where is the Sanctuary? :confused:

RealmOfX
October 19th, 2008, 01:49 PM
<snip>

There's just one question that keeps bugging me - where is the Sanctuary? :confused:

The series isn't set in the real world. All we know is that the city is called Old City (think Smallville or Gotham City not a real city but set in a world similar to ours) and the impression from the webisodes was that there was Old City and New City and that something terrible had occurred in Old City at sometime.

Egle01
October 19th, 2008, 01:58 PM
OK. I hope that some next episodes will explain it a bit more.

Skydiver
October 19th, 2008, 02:01 PM
in fata morgana they show a gps location roughly in the vancouver/washington state area, pacific north west.

DutchIndeed
October 19th, 2008, 02:25 PM
I waited to delurk here untill I'd seen more episodes, but darn it, I'm so in love with this show. I'm already impressed with the look of it all on my laptop, now all I need is to see it on TV... ;)

Anyway, this episode was very enjoyable. I loved it. There where twists, there was the joy of seeing people shuffing themselfes through little openings (I have a wicked sense of humor and the way the folding men ''folded' their heads was pretty cool)

And another thing I liked apart from those already mentioned, was that the sanctuary was well known with the folders... It almost sounded like it was somewhat of a legend they tell their kids about before going to bed like a fairytale... :D

starlover
October 19th, 2008, 03:32 PM
The series isn't set in the real world. All we know is that the city is called Old City (think Smallville or Gotham City not a real city but set in a world similar to ours) and the impression from the webisodes was that there was Old City and New City and that something terrible had occurred in Old City at sometime.

I think so as well...something terrible happened...and I'm very curious about what it is..I want to know what happened...:P

and since I don't know any spoilers...I have no clue about it!:P


in fata morgana they show a gps location roughly in the vancouver/washington state area, pacific north west.

I saw that as well...but still is it in our reality or just really sci-fi...:P

I wanna know more about everything, helen, the city, the past etc.....I have that deep hunger now for wanting new episodes fast because I want answers on my questions. It's a good thing to have, this hunger, coz this means I'm loving the show and need new episodes now...:P

RealmOfX
October 19th, 2008, 03:45 PM
I think so as well...something terrible happened...and I'm very curious about what it is..I want to know what happened...:P

and since I don't know any spoilers...I have no clue about it!:P



I saw that as well...but still is it in our reality or just really sci-fi...:P

I wanna know more about everything, helen, the city, the past etc.....I have that deep hunger now for wanting new episodes fast because I want answers on my questions. It's a good thing to have, this hunger, coz this means I'm loving the show and need new episodes now...:P

LOL
I'm like "Give me the DVD boxset already will ya!". So as I can just sit down and watch it all at once :D I like how they throw out hints about stuff and then make you wait to piece it altogether.

starlover
October 19th, 2008, 03:52 PM
LOL
I'm like "Give me the DVD boxset already will ya!". So as I can just sit down and watch it all at once :D I like how they throw out hints about stuff and then make you wait to piece it altogether.

I like that as well...but I'm not that patient...:P So the whole storyline would be good for me;) :P

but I like the hints and ideas:D

Just an awesome show;) :P :D

tagger
October 19th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Enjoyed the episode.

Watched the back half first, since I came in too late to see it on TV, then watched the front half this morning on the Scifi site.

I totally fell for the twist at the end. I think because I started the episode seeing Nomad in a Sanctuary holding cell, in TPG withdrawal, acting scared and jittery, and then saw the flashbacks from his falsified point of view.

Anyhoo, the end was a complete surprise to me. :)

Loved seeing Alex Z.

I really like the new and improved Mother/Daughter relationship - they are a team! YAY!!

hehe, Magnus knew when Will switched from boxers to briefs. LOL! I guess a job interview with Magnus is completely superfluous; a formality for the interviewee. :rolleyes:

I had vertigo with the Ashley/ drug czar scene on the building girders... yipes. FANTASTIC graphics, loved it. I might have liked more wind, more evidence of nervousness on Ashley's part. The graphics were so realistic, I was nervous for her!

I like Magnus' library/ study. Books!!! I'd spend hours and hours in there if it was real. :cool:

I want more Magnus!! But, AT is doing so much behind the scenes, I'd hate to add anything more to her plate.

Now for the dork side of me:

I wondered about the anatomy of folding men... I liked seeing the extra joint in the upper arm, but then I went off on a tangent wondering about the upper arm anatomy. The normal biomechanics would be foiled by an extra joint, do folders have extra muscles to control the extra joints? And, Magnus caused folding by stimulating a reflex, a folding reflex? Or just a local muscle/ folding joint response?

By now you are thinking: "Who gives a flip! Tagger's crazy!"

But hints make me curious... that's all. :)

Curious is better than bored, right? This is part of why I like Sanctuary. DK (and now Egan) leave cool clues.

One scientific niggle: beta blockers don't block pain in humans, they block the fight or flight chemicals. I doubt it is writer error, so it must be Folding Man physiology? Although Magnus seemed to use the beta blockers sentence as a general explanation... for all humans. Meh. Not a huge deal.

RealmOfX
October 19th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I had vertigo with the Ashley/ drug czar scene on the building girders... yipes. FANTASTIC graphics, loved it. I might have liked more wind, more evidence of nervousness on Ashley's part. The graphics were so realistic, I was nervous for her!

I actually thought that Emilie played Ashley's nervousness on the girder quite well. If you look closely she is never still and watch her hands too, she fidgets and looks down frequently. It was subtle but if you hold up her actions against other tense scenes you can spot the difference. I thought it was well done.

JanSam
October 19th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Now for the dork side of me:

I wondered about the anatomy of folding men... I liked seeing the extra joint in the upper arm, but then I went off on a tangent wondering about the upper arm anatomy. The normal biomechanics would be foiled by an extra joint, do folders have extra muscles to control the extra joints? And, Magnus caused folding by stimulating a reflex, a folding reflex? Or just a local muscle/ folding joint response?

By now you are thinking: "Who gives a flip! Tagger's crazy!"

But hints make me curious... that's all. :)

Curious is better than bored, right? This is part of why I like Sanctuary. DK (and now Egan) leave cool clues.

One scientific niggle: beta blockers don't block pain in humans, they block the fight or flight chemicals. I doubt it is writer error, so it must be Folding Man physiology? Although Magnus seemed to use the beta blockers sentence as a general explanation... for all humans. Meh. Not a huge deal.

LOL well I don't think your crazy and now you have me curious :D

I can't remember what Helen said exactly but Beta blockers are used to help muscle spasms also. If memory serves....they control rigidity and spasms by blocking a chemical reaction in the synapse receptor. So perhaps the folders pain is caused by muscle spasms.

One other thing I noticed and wondered about is that all the folding men walked with a limp. So perhaps the skeletal changes do cause disadvantages in normal activities.

majorsal
October 19th, 2008, 06:57 PM
LOL
I'm like "Give me the DVD boxset already will ya!". So as I can just sit down and watch it all at once :D I like how they throw out hints about stuff and then make you wait to piece it altogether.

yes, i'm already excited about having the dvds!! :p :D

Rocky89
October 19th, 2008, 07:09 PM
yes, i'm already excited about having the dvds!! :p :D

That's my Sally :) :D. When the DVDs come out, I'm gonna buy the first season, and I'm gonna pay with cash to support the show and Amanda ;). Maybe I'll even buy 3 or 5 copies for extra support :D. Because merchandise is just as important to a shows success IMHO. It shows how popular a show or movie is, and it's good money wise. Y'all should do the same ;).

Falcon 304
October 20th, 2008, 07:52 AM
I remember that too. But it could be that we're both suffering from schizoaffective disorder and have the same hallucinations. :p

LOL, any hallucination involving Sanctuary, is a good hallucination. I think... ;) :p :D


One word about this ep.

AWESOME!!!!!! :cool:

:indeed:

EvenstarSRV
October 20th, 2008, 10:35 PM
And the folding men it kind of remided me about the x-files eps Tooms when he squeeze into small areas .




OMG! I thought the exact same thing!! That guy was creepy and having a dozen (or more) like him was creepier!! But I loved the episode! The twist at the end... great... I was expecting it at first, but then Alex Zahara made the perfect bit of acting in the "I am the monster" speech and I completely forgot that he might be the bad guy!


I had the same reaction, saw the guy fold in the opening scene and immediately thought 'Tooms!' :)

I really enjoyed the episode, it felt like the Sanctuary team was really clicking together, which may be because they didn't have to deal with blending new material with the webisode footage.

Loved the humor, especially how Ashley and Helen seem to enjoy teasing Will from the bagels in the beginning to the 'zero to hero' scale at the end. I enjoyed following their investigation into the folding men and Nomad, and really liked Will's scenes with Malcom/Nomad. Totally did not see the twist coming, but then I normally don't pick up on stuff like that. :o

Overall I think Sanctuary is coming along great. They've tightened up the pacing from the pilot, the characters are really gelling, and the visual effects continue to impress.

I can't wait for Kush this Friday.



I really like the new and improved Mother/Daughter relationship - they are a team! YAY!!

I like Magnus' library/ study. Books!!! I'd spend hours and hours in there if it was real. :cool:

Now for the dork side of me:

I wondered about the anatomy of folding men... I liked seeing the extra joint in the upper arm, but then I went off on a tangent wondering about the upper arm anatomy. The normal biomechanics would be foiled by an extra joint, do folders have extra muscles to control the extra joints? And, Magnus caused folding by stimulating a reflex, a folding reflex? Or just a local muscle/ folding joint response?

By now you are thinking: "Who gives a flip! Tagger's crazy!"

But hints make me curious... that's all. :)

Curious is better than bored, right? This is part of why I like Sanctuary. DK (and now Egan) leave cool clues.

One scientific niggle: beta blockers don't block pain in humans, they block the fight or flight chemicals. I doubt it is writer error, so it must be Folding Man physiology? Although Magnus seemed to use the beta blockers sentence as a general explanation... for all humans. Meh. Not a huge deal.

I'm loving the relationship between Ashley and Helen too. You can tell they implicitly trust and rely on one another, which will make the revelation about Druitt that much more dramatic I think.

Love Helen's library! I hope we get to see more of it.

Yay for dorkiness :)

I thought the folding men folded because of fontanel-like sections of their bones that acted like crumple zones. Maybe when Helen triggered the folding reflex she was signaling those sections of bone to soften, which would then allow the men to fold. Doing this to their bones for years may weaken them, which may be why the older folding men ended up with limps.

I love these hints from DK and Sam Egan too, they make the show so much fun to speculate on. :)

tagger
October 21st, 2008, 09:51 AM
I actually thought that Emilie played Ashley's nervousness on the girder quite well. If you look closely she is never still and watch her hands too, she fidgets and looks down frequently. It was subtle but if you hold up her actions against other tense scenes you can spot the difference. I thought it was well done.

I'll have to watch it again for the body language - missed it. Ullerup does a great job. :) I was probably projecting my nervousness on her. Ashley is all about bravado.


LOL well I don't think your crazy and now you have me curious :D

I can't remember what Helen said exactly but Beta blockers are used to help muscle spasms also. If memory serves....they control rigidity and spasms by blocking a chemical reaction in the synapse receptor. So perhaps the folders pain is caused by muscle spasms.

One other thing I noticed and wondered about is that all the folding men walked with a limp. So perhaps the skeletal changes do cause disadvantages in normal activities.


Good idea on the limp, I was also wondering if it was from years of joint abuse from all the folding?

Also, I was wondering if Egan picked TPG as the folding man drug of choice since gold was a popular treatment for arthritis pain at one point (but is toxic at high oral doses). I still have friends who use cream with gold in it for their joints.


I had the same reaction, saw the guy fold in the opening scene and immediately thought 'Tooms!' :)

I really enjoyed the episode, it felt like the Sanctuary team was really clicking together, which may be because they didn't have to deal with blending new material with the webisode footage.

Loved the humor, especially how Ashley and Helen seem to enjoy teasing Will from the bagels in the beginning to the 'zero to hero' scale at the end. I enjoyed following their investigation into the folding men and Nomad, and really liked Will's scenes with Malcom/Nomad. Totally did not see the twist coming, but then I normally don't pick up on stuff like that. :o

Overall I think Sanctuary is coming along great. They've tightened up the pacing from the pilot, the characters are really gelling, and the visual effects continue to impress.

I can't wait for Kush this Friday.



I'm loving the relationship between Ashley and Helen too. You can tell they implicitly trust and rely on one another, which will make the revelation about Druitt that much more dramatic I think.

Love Helen's library! I hope we get to see more of it.

Yay for dorkiness :)

I thought the folding men folded because of fontanel-like sections of their bones that acted like crumple zones. Maybe when Helen triggered the folding reflex she was signaling those sections of bone to soften, which would then allow the men to fold. Doing this to their bones for years may weaken them, which may be why the older folding men ended up with limps.

I love these hints from DK and Sam Egan too, they make the show so much fun to speculate on. :)

Cool ideas. :)

I'm not really artistic or a writer, but it sure would be fun to create a new world, abnormals, all the graphics for their ideas!

antoa
October 21st, 2008, 10:50 AM
I really liked this episode. I caught the twist right away, but still enjoyed how it all played out. It was very Edward Norton in Primal Fear, which is a good thing.

When I did the interview with AT at AT3 she mentioned this episode and I immediately thought 'Tooms', but this was completely different - stretching vs. folding and no liver eating in site. And also, there was a whole community of folders and not just one really old creepy liver eating mutant.

The final line for me a a bit of a groaner, probably because I also saw it coming. Maybe I just have the same twisted thought pattern and humour as the peeps on this show.

And much of this ep was shot on location and not on green screen.

poundpuppy29
October 21st, 2008, 01:58 PM
Yeah, this is a fun show. I like AT far better as Helen than I have liked her as Sam for years. As a fan of gothic architecture I'm always pleased by the sanctuary itself, that kind of atmosphere puts me in a good mood. I don't really care for procedural-type shows, but all the little things add up to make it pretty enjoyable for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Druitt return, CH is an impressive actor and the storyline with him is interesting.

I am the oppisite I like Sam more than Helen right now

"Ducks from flying objects"

I like to relate to characters and Helen is too closed off for me right now what I am watching for is Will I really enjoy him I like the strong intelligent emotional characters who are trusting because that's how I am, Elizabeth was my favorite on SGA those are the characters I relate to.

The ep it self was good but I hope Helen gets better because so far I am disapointed with this character right now sorry if I offended anyone I like Amanda I want her to do well.

EvenstarSRV
October 21st, 2008, 03:46 PM
I am the oppisite I like Sam more than Helen right now

"Ducks from flying objects"

I like to relate to characters and Helen is too closed off for me right now what I am watching for is Will I really enjoy him I like the strong intelligent emotional characters who are trusting because that's how I am, Elizabeth was my favorite on SGA those are the characters I relate to.

The ep it self was good but I hope Helen gets better because so far I am disapointed with this character right now sorry if I offended anyone I like Amanda I want her to do well.

No worries, no offense taken by me, and no flying objects headed your way. :)

I actually really like that Helen is quite closed off right now because I think it is very appropriate for the character. As someone who's lived for as long as she has, Helen has probably seen everything from the best to the worst of aspects of society and herself. Because of that history, to me it makes sense for her to not be as trusting or open as Will, and living through all those decades has also probably taught her to guard her emotions very carefully. Which is something I do relate to for various reasons. :o

I really enjoy open, emotional characters as well, Daniel in SG-1, Elizabeth in SGA, and Will in Sanctuary, and I'm sure we'll see Helen gradually opening up to Will the more they work together. And she did tell him about Druitt, her deepest, darkest secret, so I think she can open up when appropriate. But at this point I don't think it fits the Helen character to be very open or trusting, and personally I rather like keeping her aloof and mysterious to a certain extent. As she says in this episode, 'a girl's gotta have her secrets'. :)

pjt
October 22nd, 2008, 05:29 AM
Really nice episode, I liked it a lot. And yes, I didn't see it comming... :o

jasminaGo
October 22nd, 2008, 05:30 AM
I am the oppisite I like Sam more than Helen right now

"Ducks from flying objects"

I like to relate to characters and Helen is too closed off for me right now what I am watching for is Will I really enjoy him I like the strong intelligent emotional characters who are trusting because that's how I am, Elizabeth was my favorite on SGA those are the characters I relate to.

The ep it self was good but I hope Helen gets better because so far I am disapointed with this character right now sorry if I offended anyone I like Amanda I want her to do well.

Hehe, there is no need from flying objects. It's just how you feel about it, and I just happen to disagree. I love the fact that Helen is closed off and has this mystery around her. Will is an open book, easy to read, predict his next move, and I see no fun about it. We've found out about his past, about what he did most of his life, why he is the way he is, and what now? While with Helen, I sit at the edge of my chair, hanging onto her every word, hoping to find out something more. Like in the roof scene in the pilot. When Will asks her if she's a little cold, her answer is "Opinion seems to be divided". He was talking about the weather but she wasn't, which brings me to what EvenstarSRV said. Helen has learned to guard her secrets very carefully, and for a good reason. We see these little teasers into her past and present, but we don't really know who she is and why. I feel the same way about John. This is why those two are my favourite characters. And that mystery is the reason I can't wait for the next ep, and the one after that, and the one after that.

Coaster
October 22nd, 2008, 11:55 AM
I was wondering this morning why we didn't see any folding women. Did they explain it in the episode and I just don't remember? Maybe it's a sex-linked genetic thing?

Of course, my husband said folding women wouldn't work because their, um, chests wouldn't fold and would get in the way. :rolleyes: And I'm wondering how strange it would be to give birth to a folding baby. Sure, babies' heads already do what was described, but folding babies would probably do that to the extent that childbirth would be effortless!

Having said all that, I really liked the episode, and all of them so far. ;)

EH-T
October 22nd, 2008, 02:51 PM
I am the oppisite I like Sam more than Helen right now

"Ducks from flying objects"

I like to relate to characters and Helen is too closed off for me right now what I am watching for is Will I really enjoy him I like the strong intelligent emotional characters who are trusting because that's how I am, Elizabeth was my favorite on SGA those are the characters I relate to.

The ep it self was good but I hope Helen gets better because so far I am disapointed with this character right now sorry if I offended anyone I like Amanda I want her to do well.


No worries, no offense taken by me, and no flying objects headed your way. :)

I actually really like that Helen is quite closed off right now because I think it is very appropriate for the character. As someone who's lived for as long as she has, Helen has probably seen everything from the best to the worst of aspects of society and herself. Because of that history, to me it makes sense for her to not be as trusting or open as Will, and living through all those decades has also probably taught her to guard her emotions very carefully. Which is something I do relate to for various reasons. :o

I really enjoy open, emotional characters as well, Daniel in SG-1, Elizabeth in SGA, and Will in Sanctuary, and I'm sure we'll see Helen gradually opening up to Will the more they work together. And she did tell him about Druitt, her deepest, darkest secret, so I think she can open up when appropriate. But at this point I don't think it fits the Helen character to be very open or trusting, and personally I rather like keeping her aloof and mysterious to a certain extent. As she says in this episode, 'a girl's gotta have her secrets'. :)


Hehe, there is no need from flying objects. It's just how you feel about it, and I just happen to disagree. I love the fact that Helen is closed off and has this mystery around her. Will is an open book, easy to read, predict his next move, and I see no fun about it. We've found out about his past, about what he did most of his life, why he is the way he is, and what now? While with Helen, I sit at the edge of my chair, hanging onto her every word, hoping to find out something more. Like in the roof scene in the pilot. When Will asks her if she's a little cold, her answer is "Opinion seems to be divided". He was talking about the weather but she wasn't, which brings me to what EvenstarSRV said. Helen has learned to guard her secrets very carefully, and for a good reason. We see these little teasers into her past and present, but we don't really know who she is and why. I feel the same way about John. This is why those two are my favourite characters. And that mystery is the reason I can't wait for the next ep, and the one after that, and the one after that.

No flying objects from here either. Everyone's opinion is valid because it is his/her opinion.

I agree with the comments of Evenstar and jasminaGo. Also, as someone said somewhere on this site, I think TPTB are giving us more on Will to start as we are finding out about the Sanctuary through his eyes. I am hopeful that future episodes will reveal more about Helen. Then you might change your mind.


I was wondering this morning why we didn't see any folding women. Did they explain it in the episode and I just don't remember? Maybe it's a sex-linked genetic thing?

Of course, my husband said folding women wouldn't work because their, um, chests wouldn't fold and would get in the way. :rolleyes: And I'm wondering how strange it would be to give birth to a folding baby. Sure, babies' heads already do what was described, but folding babies would probably do that to the extent that childbirth would be effortless!

Having said all that, I really liked the episode, and all of them so far. ;)


LOL!

EvenstarSRV
October 22nd, 2008, 03:13 PM
I was wondering this morning why we didn't see any folding women. Did they explain it in the episode and I just don't remember? Maybe it's a sex-linked genetic thing?

Oh wow, good catch, I totally missed the fact that there were no folding women. It seems like the folding ability can pass from father to son, so you could be right, it may be a sex-linked disorder. Maybe a mutation in the Y chromosome, which would mean only the men could fold.

I don't think they addressed this in the episode, but maybe it's something they can hopefully come back to in season 2. :)

starlover
October 22nd, 2008, 03:43 PM
Okay on the subject of Helen...Will and liking them...

I like them all...but then again...I totally fell in love with this show.

Will- he is the person were you know the most of now. You already saw a lot of his past through a few flashbacks and a few scenes throughout the episodes...the collegues, ex-GF etc...this makes him less of a mysterious person. You know what to expect, which is fun and it also makes you understand his character a lot better too! I like him for that, because I know what kind of person we are dealing with...I think this fits into the show because Helen also knows everything about Will...:)(even the boxers to briefs:P )

Helen- She is a very mysterious person...we almost don't know a thing about her. If you see her in the show till now she is almost always talking about others, not about herself...only in the end scene of the episode: Sanctuary for all...I like the mystery around her, it fits. But it makes me always want to know more, I want to know what happened in the past...why did everything go wrong...how did she come in contact with this world...how is it that she is 157 years old...
It's a constant thing you want to know. You want to know answers...if you love secrets then I think, Helen is a very good person to like...if you like more the expected you go for Will.

Me, I like Helen, I like secrets and finding out mysteries...playing the detective of what happened...:D I can understand why people like Will more...It's just what you search into a person...I like Will too...but that is partly because he's hot:o.

Anyway...I'm babbling way too much now...so...that's it....

oh and on the folding man theory...I'm not that smart with biologic facts...I just enjoy the show for what it is and don't look if something is possible or not...I'm watching Sci-fi...lots is possible then...IMHO

Coaster
October 22nd, 2008, 04:09 PM
I like them all...but then again...I totally fell in love with this show.

Me too, on both counts! :D



oh and on the folding man theory...I'm not that smart with biologic facts...I just enjoy the show for what it is and don't look if something is possible or not...I'm watching Sci-fi...lots is possible then...IMHO

That's fine... I just find it fun to think up ways that something could happen; makes it more real to me even if it is fantastically unreal by nature. ;)

EvenstarSRV
October 22nd, 2008, 04:24 PM
Okay on the subject of Helen...Will and liking them...

I like them all...but then again...I totally fell in love with this show.

Will- he is the person were you know the most of now. You already saw a lot of his past through a few flashbacks and a few scenes throughout the episodes...the collegues, ex-GF etc...this makes him less of a mysterious person. You know what to expect, which is fun and it also makes you understand his character a lot better too! I like him for that, because I know what kind of person we are dealing with...I think this fits into the show because Helen also knows everything about Will...:)(even the boxers to briefs:P )

Helen- She is a very mysterious person...we almost don't know a thing about her. If you see her in the show till now she is almost always talking about others, not about herself...only in the end scene of the episode: Sanctuary for all...I like the mystery around her, it fits. But it makes me always want to know more, I want to know what happened in the past...why did everything go wrong...how did she come in contact with this world...how is it that she is 157 years old...
It's a constant thing you want to know. You want to know answers...if you love secrets then I think, Helen is a very good person to like...if you like more the expected you go for Will.

Me, I like Helen, I like secrets and finding out mysteries...playing the detective of what happened...:D I can understand why people like Will more...It's just what you search into a person...I like Will too...but that is partly because he's hot:o.

Good descriptions of the Will and Helen characters. I like both for different reasons, but I'm with you in that I'm just totally loving the show overall. And Will is pretty easy on the eyes. ;)



oh and on the folding man theory...I'm not that smart with biologic facts...I just enjoy the show for what it is and don't look if something is possible or not...I'm watching Sci-fi...lots is possible then...IMHO

I'm a sort of scientist-in-training right now, so it's almost like a tic for me, I watch any sci-fi show or movie and I can't help trying to explain the stuff I see scientifically. :o

I used to just think it over in my head, but then I joined the GW forum and discovered lots of people I can inflict my scientific ramblings on. :D

But that's what I love most about sci-fi. It can take established scientific principles and theories and put that 'what if' spin on them, which I think makes for great stories. And it's even cooler when stuff that used to be the stuff of science-fiction, like robots, actually becomes scientific fact.

Coaster
October 22nd, 2008, 04:36 PM
I'm a sort of scientist-in-training right now, so it's almost like a tic for me, I watch any sci-fi show or movie and I can't help trying to explain the stuff I see scientifically. :o

I used to just think it over in my head, but then I joined the GW forum and discovered lots of people I can inflict my scientific ramblings on. :D

I relate. I'm an engineer and I live with an engineer, and we watch the same shows and enjoy dissecting them within an inch of their (unreal) lives. :D

On the down side it leads to a lot of "You've got to be kidding me!" moments while watching shows, but I've learned to be better at handwaving when it seems the writers are. ;)

To bring this back to Sanctuary: Just about everyone in this show is hot. Even Druitt, because I love CH's voice.

Amalthea
October 22nd, 2008, 11:09 PM
To bring this back to Sanctuary: Just about everyone in this show is hot. Even Druitt, because I love CH's voice.

I second that motion! Even when it's in the "Todd/Bigfoot" synthesizer it makes me get goosebumps!

Integrabyte
October 23rd, 2008, 04:33 AM
Not the best episode. It continued the Fata Morgana decline.

helenmagnus23
October 23rd, 2008, 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by belevision

To bring this back to Sanctuary: Just about everyone in this show is hot. Even Druitt, because I love CH's voice.

CH is hot i love watching him wether he's Druitt or Todd he is such a great actor and i'm so excited about seeing more about Helen & Druitt .

Tittamiire
October 27th, 2008, 03:07 PM
So...I would have enjoyed this a lot more if my digital signal hadn't been wigging out for the last fifteen minutes...but that is another matter...*mutters darkly*

Anyhoo...really loved it...made me think of the X Files episode that I now know is called Tooms with the stretchy men, which was cool. I liked the twist and that Will got fooled in a way....and he's still on his good steep learning curve and us along with him.

I liked seeing a functional family reliationship on TV too :P as odd and Helen and Ashley are as mother and daughter they function better than most tv families and I like that. Ashley is really growing on me, though I keep thinking she looks really young lol.

The girders scene was awesome and flying drug barons ftw :D

Ahh...least I have an excuse to watch Wednesdays repeat.

discodiva
October 27th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Just watched this on ITV4.....I guessed the twist about halfway through the episode......pretty predictable imho....am liking Robin Dunne's interactions with the "guest abnormal" (for want of a better word).....but I do think there was a lot more "mumbling" in this episode - not necessarily by him I hasten to add......both hubs and I had to keep turning the sound up to catch various bits of certain conversations....:(

Gave myself brownie points for spotting the Carnegie Library on the corner of Main and East Hastings St....perfect filming spot for the "down and out" section....;)...mind you, we've driven past that place more times than I care to remember this summer when we were staying in Downtown Van....:P


Deeds xx

majorsal
October 27th, 2008, 06:39 PM
question: do you think malcolm was really going through withdrawl?

you'd think helen and company would have been monitoring him (cameras and maybe vital signs?), so i'd think it would have been difficult to maintain that type of withdrawl faking that not only lasted so long, but became more intense as time went on.

thoughts?

Mousie
October 28th, 2008, 06:11 AM
I'd have to say no, simply because I don't think he'd be silly enought to become addicted to his own drug. It would be difficult to build a crime empire if you where strung out and jonesing for your next fix. Combine that with how he just stopped and looked fine when he revealed himself at the end I don't think he was.

However as you say it would be pretty difficult to fake the symptoms of withdrawal for any length of time if they where monitoring him, and you'd think they where, so I'd just put it down to the usual 'reality goes bye bye to advance the story'.

Cagranosalis
October 28th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Like many others my first instinctive thought at the start was "Hmm... *coughXfilesSqueezecough*.

Ahem, yeah...

...But...

By the end, I thought,

"Alright then. Not Squeeze. Not even close. "

Although I am left wondering if Mulder might have done better if he'd teamed up with Helen Magnus instead of Scully but...heh, that's one for the fanfic authors to work out I think. I suspect, ongoing, comparisons between certian episodes of X Files and Sanctury will become inevitable - simply because of the paralells in the things they are exploring, although admittedly, coming at it from the opposite angle.

Anyway, after that, yep, good episode. I liked it better - much, much better - than last week's (which I just had so many issues with I couldn't bring myself to post about). Everything about Folding Man was better. The story more fleshed out, the twist at the end, CGI, the score, the acting, on a more shallow note, Helen's hair... I could go on.
I did see the twist coming but then, Usual Suspects is one of my favourite films and it was very reminiscent. I still loved it though, and I reckon if you're going to borrow an idea (and there's no such thing as an original idea anymore) you might as well do it with class and borrow from the best.
I like the fact that, when it came right down to it, this was basically a human story about bad people doing what bad people do and, take out the abnormal/sanctury twist and you could tell this story in any number of other formats.

If I absolutelty *had* to pick a nit somewhere then I'd say the line at the end "know when to fold 'em" was completly corny. Apart from that, nope, no complaints from me here.

Bring on next week!

Cags

Matt G
October 29th, 2008, 05:24 PM
1. I was surprised the folding men were even able to leave fingerprints in the pipes.

2. Sounds like Helen's been running Sancturary for 60-odd years.

3. Didn't expect Malcolm to be the main bad guy but should have done.

4. Sooner or later the coppers are going to find out about Sancturary surely!

ori soldier
October 30th, 2008, 03:47 PM
i guessed the ending :D

im pretty happy with myself

Achaja
November 16th, 2008, 01:40 AM
It was interesting that Will - with all his knowledge - let Malcolm manipulete him! I think the writer showed us Will like normal person, that also makes mistakes and has got lot to learn yet. And that aspect I like in this episode ;)

stargatelover4ever
February 27th, 2010, 08:40 AM
It was interesting that Will - with all his knowledge - let Malcolm manipulete him! I think the writer showed us Will like normal person, that also makes mistakes and has got lot to learn yet. And that aspect I like in this episode ;)

agree
I enjoyed the manipulating Will's mind thing :D made him look more vulnerable
Malcom was definetly a great character

Elorendil
July 14th, 2011, 10:32 AM
It was interesting that Will - with all his knowledge - let Malcolm manipulete him! I think the writer showed us Will like normal person, that also makes mistakes and has got lot to learn yet. And that aspect I like in this episode ;)
I also agree! This was a very interesting episode, and I loved how it showed that Will is not all-knowing and showed that he can make mistakes. Again, just dipping my toes into this series, but so far this bodes well for me enjoying it. :)

Skydiver
July 17th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Folding Man

Probably the first real episode seeing as how the pilot was a retread of the webbies, as was fata morgana

you do have to give a little blind eye to ashley's disappearing scar since the shows are out of order.

we see our first hints of police cooperation, it's insinuated that the cops gave magnus the password to their main frame. We also see that htey have a network of informants, cops, crime bosses, the aforeseen coroner. the sanctuary is less of a secret and more of a 'independant contractor we don't talk about'.

I like how ash is more toned down here. almost a normal person not the ball busting, ,ghoul hating spitfire.

we also see that while magnus does favors for the cops, she doesn't owe them any favors. they ask her for help, and they get it....her way.

the sanctuary is much, much more benevolent than hinted at before.

solid if not stellar.

JanSam
July 17th, 2012, 06:37 PM
Folding Man was different and I think that is why I liked it. The actor who played Malcolm was very convincing and I didn't even suspect he was Noman. I really liked the humor in the episode (giving Will a hard time about the bagels etc.). It would have been nice if they had Kavan on to reprise his role; I can't believe the police would just let a murder go without any more questioning.

I also liked Ashley adjusted attitude in this one.

fems
July 17th, 2012, 11:43 PM
The episode order kinda threw me here since I didn't know they were out of order until I saw the scar and Magnus' comment about Will saying everything [at Sanctuary] would have been impossible a week ago, implying the pilot, Fata Morgana and this episode all took place within a week!

The episode wasn't as bad as I recalled but I grew kinda tired of the whole Malcolm and Will talking thing, knowing what was going to happen already. I do like how Malcolm fooled Will, especially after Will had already (quite arrogantly) stated here and in previous episodes that he could make him [the patients/abnormals] talk with a bit more time.

I liked seeing more of Old City and the network the Sanctuary uses. Clearly they have access to the police network (we'll learn more about this in future episodes) but don't hesitate to make less than ethical deals with crime bosses to get what they want. Thought it was a shame they killed off Mister Jones so soon.

Now that I've seen all of the show, I would have liked to hear a reference to the folding men who'd been working for Noman or even those living on the streets.

Skydiver
July 18th, 2012, 03:58 AM
I'd think those folding men that didn't have homes to go to would have fallen back to the streets, with a new leader, and part of magnus' network.

almost like it's a plot point that was forgotten or dropped.

also, I'd imagine that abbies they helped could be potential informants and assistants.. little quid pro quo. we helped you, you help us.

blueray
July 18th, 2012, 12:06 PM
this is the kind of episode where i do wonder how the police don't question anything. unless its now declared a "sanctuary" file by higher up officials.

Bonniesrg
February 16th, 2014, 02:17 PM
As soon as I saw the bad guy looking at that small gap I knew that had would escape through it. X-files Tooms came to mind, creepiest bad guy who fits in small spaces. :S

Helen has the password to access police information, but doesn't want to say how she got it. Helen and her secrets.

Helen day's to Will that 10 days ago he would have said all of this was impossible. So everything between the pilot episode and now happened in a 10 day period. WOW! No breathing time there at all. I hope the pay is good. :D

I knew when Malcolm spotted that little square hole when running from the Sanctuary team that it would be a trap. But it seems Malcolm knew this too.

Malcolm is revealed as a Nomad. Now I went back and forth so many times suspecting then not suspecting that he was Nomad, so by the time of the reveal I was actually surprised. A big clue in the beginning in hindsight where he grinned quite smugly just as the police arrived, he was just too confident.

I suppose him leading the Sanctuary to Aaron was maybe a bit ego on his part, showing off maybe, wanting what had did to be known, showing his power. It ended up biting him in the backside when it caused his underling to turn on him.

Nomad thought he was smarter than Magnus. How did that turn out for you Malcolm. :p

Helen pug a tracking device on Will's car..."Just in case". Nice to know that Helen's plan always factors in the possibility that Will will mess up.

Is that police officer the only law enforcement person who likes Will?