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GateWorld
September 12th, 2008, 05:53 PM
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Magnus's team finds three sisters in stasis in a crypt, who Helen suspects are witches from the Middle Ages. But a deadly cabal comes looking for them.

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Falcon 304
October 10th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Cross post from Sanctuary Forum.

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Alright, 20 minutes in and I'm not liking the story changes that much. The Keepers are governed by... someone/some organization? Yeah...

EDIT

I suppose I'll just edit this on commercials.

YAY for more Bigfoot dialog. :D It seems that they've reused EVERYTHING from the webisodes. Because of this, Amanda is wearing her wig for the episode (except for maybe one scene so far). :( I'm continuing to not really like the changing of the story. :confused:

EDIT 2

AW MAN! They changed what Steve looks like. :( First scene back from the commercials was EPIC though. :D :D :D It almost seems as if Amanda may have just straightened her hair, but it also seems too dark for that to be so. Sometimes, and sometimes not seeing the streak of color in there is throwing me off.

EDIT 3

Okay, I'm liking the establishment of bad guys, but I still don't like how they never explained the myth of The Morrigan. I also think that Amanda straightened her hair, but can't be certain.

I currently have no other thoughts other than OMG HELEN DID THE MOST BAD *** ****ING THING I'VE EVER ****ING SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF ****ING EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jack_new_anime07: :D :zelenka25:

DaxFlowLyfe
October 10th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Im pissed off.


HOW.. JUST HOWWWWWW
Can you cut the Guest appearance scene of PAUL MCGILLION
and REPLACE IT WITH a 2 second thing about Helen finding out who the morrigan are on a damn computer database.


the changes on the show wouldnt have effected pauls scene.
pauls scene was standalone.

I understand David Hewletts, cuz he mentions a kid killing the people, and they changed that to Zimmerman seeing a kid and saying one lived in the house, and it conflicted with the story changes.


But Pauls scene in no way conflicted and THEY CUT IT!
WTF

ann_sgcfan
October 10th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Im pissed off.


HOW.. JUST HOWWWWWW
Can you cut the Guest appearance scene of PAUL MCGILLION
and REPLACE IT WITH a 2 second thing about Helen finding out who the morrigan are on a damn computer database.


the changes on the show wouldnt have effected pauls scene.
pauls scene was standalone.

I understand David Hewletts, cuz he mentions a kid killing the people, and they changed that to Zimmerman seeing a kid and saying one lived in the house, and it conflicted with the story changes.


But Pauls scene in no way conflicted and THEY CUT IT!
WTF

Paul isn't there because they changed the back story. It was no longer about the history of King Author.. which is what his character's dialog was all about. They were setting up the overall story arc about The Others. Paul's dialog wouldn't have worked in this eppy.


I really liked the concern between mother and daughter. Helen know John is still out there and she is very concerned for Ashley but at the same time she has to let her do her job. THey depend on one another.

LOL at Henry pulling all those weapons and things out of his pockets :P He is too funny :D

Loved Will gaining the trust of the sisters. Helen is really helping him adjust and really seems to be fitting... despite some of the uhhhh abnormals like the one on the elevator ride. lol he was creeping Will out LOL

Ooooh and I have to laugh at the scenes where Will said he couldn't fire the gun and turns out he had the safety on :P That's was funny! I liked how Ashley just used the gun anyways while Will still head on to it.

I love the graphics!!!! I loved the opening credits... very cool!!! :D

JanSam
October 10th, 2008, 08:47 PM
That was all kinds of Awesome!! Loved how they ended it with the Morrigan making the decision and Helen not willing to let it go at that with the Cabal.

Favorite line: Will's "1200 year old bath products theory"

They changed the lines before Paul's scene and it was made clear that Helen didn't want to leave the Sanctuary...that was set up with the Ashley/Helen scene. So Helen couldn't go to see him at his place which is how it played in the websiodes.

rderoch
October 10th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Overall I liked the changes, though I do have a couple of gripes.

I wish they would have left the allowance line in. I thought it was hilarious and set up Helen's sense of humor.

I can't believe they changed Steve. :mad: I guess that means we don't get our alleyway weapons testing scene. :(

And now a question about the opening credits. Does anybody else think that might have been a picture of Amanda and Olivia?

majorsal
October 10th, 2008, 09:19 PM
i've got about 45 minutes until it's on for me, but after it's over, i *have* to go to bed (have to get up and 4:30am) and i won't be able to review it until tomorrow... work is a four-letter word. :(

but i'm VERY excited to see sanctuary tonight!! :D

JanSam
October 10th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Yeah I missed the "allowance" line too.
Oh dang....Steve was hilarious in the testing scene.
Yeah I was wondering that too rderoch...nice pic huh.

Falcon 304
October 10th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Well, not only do we miss the allowance line, but they replaced it with, quite frankly, a terrible one. :(

majorsal
October 10th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Well, not only do we miss the allowance line, but they replaced it with, quite frankly, a terrible one. :(

ah, come on, name something you liked! :p

ann_sgcfan
October 10th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Well, not only do we miss the allowance line, but they replaced it with, quite frankly, a terrible one. :(

There was a lot of discussion on the Sanctuary forum after the webisodes that Ashely was too old to still be getting an allowance... it was funny :P But isn't she too old to have an allowance she is in her twenties. :D

Agent_Dark
October 10th, 2008, 09:30 PM
I want velociraptors in a future episode.

also, that new squid guy and his intelligence network were kinda lol. This way McGillion can still come back as some other character when he's got some free time from Atlantis/whatever else he's doing.

EvenstarSRV
October 10th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Overall I liked the changes, though I do have a couple of gripes.

I wish they would have left the allowance line in. I thought it was hilarious and set up Helen's sense of humor.


I wished they'd kept the allowance line too. It was a nice bit of Helen's humor and the changed line doesn't really match the hand motion she makes.

Loved the rest of the episode, I thought most of the changes they made were for the better.


Loved the Helen/Ashley scene where Helen is so concerned about letting Ashley go on an mission alone, but still trusts her to take care of herself. I also liked the tea cup Helen had in her hands the whole time. :)

I really enjoyed seeing Will working with the sisters, getting them to trust him and trying to get them to believe that they can be free and not belong to the cabal. Also liked seeing him confront Magnus about her plan to keep the sisters under sedation until they figured out what to do with them.

Loved the battle against the Keepers, especially seeing Ashley taking down a roomful while Will struggles to shoot his gun was also great. Helen flipping one over and shooting it was also awesome. :D

Henry was great, all the weapons in his pockets. And I liked that they didn't end the episode with a cliffhanger. Liked seeing the Morrigen gain a bit more control over their lives, and really liked seeing Helen ordering the cabal leader to get off her property. :)

I also think they're taking making good use of the green screen to show some cool locations, especially Ashley on the rooftop and on the bridge.


I'm loving the series so far, and I can't wait for the all-new episode next week. :)

majorsal
October 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM
just a quick note and then bed time :(...

LOVED the ep!! :D

morjana
October 10th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Sanctuary - SciFi Channel Updates for Fata Morgana:

From the SciFi Channel's Sanctuary (http://www.scifi.com/sanctuary/) site, updates for October 10, 2008:


Fata Morgana (http://www.scifi.com/sanctuary/episodes/episodes.php?seas=1&ep=0103&act=1)

* Episode Synopsis

* Episode Photos


WATCH (http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=725622&eid=743621) Fata Morgana online:

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NEXT new episode: Folding Man airs Friday October 17 at 10pm on the SciFi Channel (US).

Folding men are going postal as they rob stores and escape via small holes.


Trailer (http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=743901) for Folding Man

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NEW Quiz!

Sanctuary 102 (http://www.scifi.com/sanctuary/quizzes/quizzes.php?sub=sanctuary102&start=1)

Falcon 304
October 11th, 2008, 07:32 AM
There was a lot of discussion on the Sanctuary forum after the webisodes that Ashely was too old to still be getting an allowance... it was funny :P But isn't she too old to have an allowance she is in her twenties. :D

Well it's not like she can get a normal job or anything. :rolleyes: ;)

antoa
October 11th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I really liked the changes in this ep. I am glad they cut a lot of the exposition out and just got right to the action. The fight scenes were great. I will definitely have to watch this one again. This cold made me really sleepy while it was on last night.

EH-T
October 11th, 2008, 10:31 AM
I'm a bit out of the loop in this discussion. As a Luddite I was only able to see the YouTube webisodes and bits of others at AT3 (I was interrupted by getting a photo or autograph or some such with Amanda ;)). Therefore, I am not really familiar with how it was originally done. Maybe that's a good thing as then I'm unbiased.

I do wonder at what was reused for this episode though. It seemed to me a) the CG wasn't quite as good in some places as it was in the opening episodes and b)Amanda's hair did look more like the wig.

Only watched it once on tape after I got home so I'll have to watch again later but I will say I like the fact there was more Helen. Liked the mother/daughter moments. Totally love Henry. Liking Will's sense of humour. Like Helen kicking butt, even in heels.

antoa
October 11th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Actually quite a lot of it was reused from the webisodes. The mother daughter scene was new and the ending was new, of course. And the scene in Helen's office with Will was new.

The autopsy, much of the fight scenes, the graveyard scene in the beginning - those were all reused. Pretty much every time AT's hair looks 'off' or huge.

Commander Zelix
October 11th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I didn't see any of the webbys but the episodes felt very average. The witch stories was underplayed and not heartful at all. We didn't learn about their childhood or something (flashback??). Or even how much they were used (mistreatment) by the cabal. We just didn't have much information about them, beside the one battlefield scene. Cut the fight scene and more backstory (which could actually have fight scene in them!)! Will seems to have confidence in them only because they were nice looking girl in needs The story would not less us see otherwise. But its a nice that he really wanted to help them, while helen was much or less ready to put them in prison/drugged.

It was a nice introduction to the cabal though. It just trange that they didn't have a mean to control the witches in any way, beside words. They are supposed to be professional, and well backed, abnormal hunters. Its obvious that if you have some superpowerful being in captivity to do your bidding, they will eventually turn against you. You need to have something against them (subimplants, supernatural force "canceler" equipments, ...). A bit like the 4400 with the superpowerfull isabel. They are professional after all. It most not be the only time in history that a powerful abnormal tries to overrun them.

Klenotka
October 11th, 2008, 12:35 PM
I am trying to watch it seperately from SG and it works.

This episode was a bit better than Pilot - mostly bc it was faster, we saw how things are normally going in the Sanctuary. What is not working for me is relationship between Ashley and Helen. Some chat here and there isn´t enough. I don´t think there are enough good mother/daughter relationships in sci-fi, so I´d like to see more. They obviously haven´t big problems between each other but I´d like to see some conflict and some more chemistry between them.
But I think there is plenty of time.

Otherwise - I really liked it :)

parsifal
October 11th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Some annoyances:

1. Will and Helen's improper use of "A.D."

2. Will's reference to a bubonic plague outbreak in Scotland in A.D. 800. That doesn't sound right, for various reasons.

ann_sgcfan
October 11th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Helen had to lock them up. She was forced to shoot them with some sort of gun to knock them out. Their little flying act destroyed a large portion of Helen's lab, not to mention the damage they did to Will , blood coming from his nose and ears are not a good sign. Helen also believed someone would be coming for them and they had no way of protecting them now that the sisters destroyed the Sanctuary's security. So not only were they in danger but all of Helen's patients were in danger as well. Helen had no choice but to render them unconscious for the sake of everyone's lives.

Will for his part now believes their story and what Helen read about them in her history books. He thinks their memories are what made them go crazy... He believes like most kidnapped victims, they don't feel they have a choice. Will offers another choice that the Cabal gave them the ability and took away their freedom. They have had to do what they were told for so long and the sisters feel they owe the Cabal something. Freedom is not a concept they understand and part of them doesn't feel they deserve it due to all the death they caused. Will thinks with more counseling he can get through to them and help them to adjust. I don't think it has anything to do with what they looked like. I think Will understood what it was like to be haunted by dreams or nightmares. Will has confidence in his ability to help them with enough time.

What is nice about the ending is the sisters had their first taste of freedom and while yes they went back to the cabal to save those that work at the Sanctuary. They may be back in a later episode. In their short stay at the Sanctuary they have tasted another way of life. They have a ways to go, but like Helen said Will may have gotten through to them more than he realizes and if freedom is something they seek in the future they will be able to get out on their own thanks to Will, Helen and Ashely. :)

sweetviviane
October 11th, 2008, 01:38 PM
And now a question about the opening credits. Does anybody else think that might have been a picture of Amanda and Olivia?


I thought so too:)

Klenotka
October 11th, 2008, 02:07 PM
I don´t like those opening credits. It was the only thing better in the webepisode (imo). I liked the credits in webepisodes. This intro looks like not very well made DVD menu. :(

majorsal
October 11th, 2008, 03:31 PM
my thoughts on 'fata mogana'. :)

loved it! :D


i'm very glad they've worked on mellowing ashley. she's a much more likeable person. my mom was woo hooing while ash was kicking butt. :p

loved that the three witches weren't all that bad after all. they were given an option to be something different, which i'm hoping we'll see (them) again. i especially liked the main sister. i don't know where i've seen her before, but i like her.

the black guy that was the head of the organization that wanted the witches back, we've seen him before on sg1. and he was being snarky to amanda/character then too! :p

very cool scene of ashley hanging out at the end of the brooklyn bridge... really curious on what happened to the bridge and society for that to happen.

my only complaint is MORE HELEN is needed!!, but i'm sure that's going to come along, like any fine dish that's slowly surved... just don't let us starve to death first. :p

excellent second ep of the series! ;)




sally :D

majorsal
October 11th, 2008, 03:47 PM
I wished they'd kept the allowance line too. It was a nice bit of Helen's humor and the changed line doesn't really match the hand motion she makes.


i liked the allowance line as well, but i think they're trying to soften the helen/ashley relationship, so maybe that's why they changed it. but it didn't take anything away from the ep for me at all.


i was telling to my mom that i'm glad this isn't an all shoot 'em up show. they're taking the time to know and delve into the characters, which i think is the number one interesting thing about any story. at least ones i like (and end up falling in love with).

i'm soooooooo glad amanda kept the british helen accent! :D




sally :D

Jumper_One
October 11th, 2008, 05:36 PM
this was an ok ep imo. a lot was used from the webisodes so no surprises, except for the people in control of the witches which was weird unnecessary imo. I'm not sure why but the CGI was painfully obvious in some scenes ie when the three were flying and Will came running towards them. I think other people already mentioned the allowance line, too bad it was cut. anyway this was a solid ep and I'm looking forward to Folding Man (although it reminds me of an X-Files ep :P)

the fifth man
October 11th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I really enjoyed last night's episode of Sanctuary. So far, so good IMO.

majorsal
October 11th, 2008, 06:36 PM
I really enjoyed last night's episode of Sanctuary. So far, so good IMO.

what was your favorite part, fifth man? inquiring minds want to know. :p

Krissie678
October 11th, 2008, 07:11 PM
i'm very glad they've worked on mellowing ashley. she's a much more likeable person. my mom was woo hooing while ash was kicking butt. :p

Yeah I like how her character has been handled a lot.



the black guy that was the head of the organization that wanted the witches back, we've seen him before on sg1. and he was being snarky to amanda/character then too! :p

I knew I recognized him from somewhere.


very cool scene of ashley hanging out at the end of the brooklyn bridge... really curious on what happened to the bridge and society for that to happen.
Yeah I've been trying to get my mom into the show and she asked me about the bridge, and I honestly couldn't tell her.


i liked the allowance line as well, but i think they're trying to soften the helen/ashley relationship, so maybe that's why they changed it. but it didn't take anything away from the ep for me at all.


I can see trying to lighten the relationship up, but the line they put in its place didn't seem to work for me for some reason.

Overall loved the ep. I can't wait for next week.

lunarleviathan
October 11th, 2008, 07:52 PM
This episode was very hit and miss for me.

On the one hand, the premise was excellent. The acting was generally excellent with one exception (see below). I liked the introduction of The Cabal, it adds another potentially interesting dynamic to the show and it's mythos. The many possibilities about who/what the Morrigan are that were discussed was refreshing -- I like it when they protagonists don't always get it right first time. It was great to see the logical mind of Will butt up against the fantastical reality of the situation, until he ultimately had to stop trying to reason with logic and just deal with it.

On the other hand, Ashley continues to be one of the worst written and acted characters in any show ever. Her dialogue is always bad and often cheesey, her fight sequences are beyond stupid, her whole image is as cliché as it gets. Take a bad character, add in bad acting, and the result is not pretty. She really brings the whole show down -- kill her ASAP.

Another problem was the rather obvious error Will made of stepping on the symbol in the crypt without even noticing or considering it. That was pretty inconsistent with the pilot where he noticed small details in the apartment. An obvious symbol surrounded by 3 stone coffins radiating from it would seem easy to spot by comparison. I suppose a minor niggle though really.

Overall, pretty enjoyable with a few low points, but quite a few high points.

Skydiver
October 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
i do see your point abouot will, but i do think, in this case, it's a matter of reusing the webby and its premise, and will - in the webby - wasn't a super attentive ex csi/fbi, he was a slightly fumbling/bumbling psychiotherapist that had never dealt with anything like this.

we'll see if it continues and if he is again 'stupid to further the plot' :)

Ashley, she does need to find her nitch and she needs some humanization.

I think, to see the 'full' extent of the character changes/tweakages, we'll have to wait for Folding Man and the other episodes. this coming friday will be the first 100% new (except for any flashbacks from the webbies that they might use)

Amalthea
October 11th, 2008, 08:13 PM
I liked this episode a lot. I missed the Arthurian references, but this works too. I think the Morgana are going to be back, that's for sure, and they're probably going to make that group pay for what they did.

I'm definitely looking forward to next week's episode since I think it will be all new plot and all that. The old stuff was pretty obvious in this episode. I kept noticing the pink streak in her hair that was there in the Webisodes but not in the new stuff. Not that it matters, but it made me chuckle a little. :)

CarnalPIE
October 11th, 2008, 09:19 PM
So how many more web episodes were turned into full episodes? Is all of season 1 going to be filled with discussions of the differences and missing "allowance lines" or is it going to be just the first couple?

Anyway, I never saw any web episodes so I took this as it was. And what it was, was excellent! I am really enjoying this series. It has that Stargate flavor (no surprise there) but with a new direction and new characters. I'm already hooked.

Specifically for this episode, I enjoyed this different take on a witch story. I mean, compare this to the first Buffy witch story or many others on other shows. Witch doesn't always have to mean straight evil so it was nice to see a different take.

Question: That electric shield we saw in the pilot. Is that effective ONLY against Helen's old flame? I was expecting it to cause problems with this invading force this week and it didn't.

Which brings up another point. Two episodes and two home invasions. Not good. Helen's security is about as bad as Smallville's Lex Luthor mansion.

ann_sgcfan
October 11th, 2008, 09:38 PM
So how many more web episodes were turned into full episodes? Is all of season 1 going to be filled with discussions of the differences and missing "allowance lines" or is it going to be just the first couple?

Anyway, I never saw any web episodes so I took this as it was. And what it was, was excellent! I am really enjoying this series. It has that Stargate flavor (no surprise there) but with a new direction and new characters. I'm already hooked.

Specifically for this episode, I enjoyed this different take on a witch story. I mean, compare this to the first Buffy witch story or many others on other shows. Witch doesn't always have to mean straight evil so it was nice to see a different take.

Question: That electric shield we saw in the pilot. Is that effective ONLY against Helen's old flame? I was expecting it to cause problems with this invading force this week and it didn't.

Which brings up another point. Two episodes and two home invasions. Not good. Helen's security is about as bad as Smallville's Lex Luthor mansion.

Nope that's it for the webisodes. From here on out it's new... there may be some flashbacks that they haven't shown yet of Helen ... but it's only enough for a few scenes not an entire episode. :)

I enjoyed the episodes as well! :D

The reason the force field didn't work is because when the sisters/witches were flying around in the lab they fried all the electrical equipment there and damaged the Sanctuary's external shield... That is what Henry was doing outside trying to fix it. :p

I've seen a few screen shots from later eppy's so I don't think it will always be an invasion on the Sanctuary. :D

EvenstarSRV
October 11th, 2008, 09:52 PM
So how many more web episodes were turned into full episodes? Is all of season 1 going to be filled with discussions of the differences and missing "allowance lines" or is it going to be just the first couple?

Just these two episodes had footage and storylines from the webisodes. There were 8 webisodes total, 1-4 were altered/expanded and became Sanctuary for All (101 and 102), and 5-8 were altered/expanded to become Fata Morgana (103).

Starting with Folding Man (104) there will be all-new footage and storylines. The only thing left from the webisodes that they might reuse are a few flashbacks to Magnus's past in Victorian England.


Anyway, I never saw any web episodes so I took this as it was. And what it was, was excellent! I am really enjoying this series. It has that Stargate flavor (no surprise there) but with a new direction and new characters. I'm already hooked.


I'm loving the series too, and now I kinda wish I hadn't seen the webisodes because then I'd be able to watch it with fresh eyes like you could. I can't wait for the all-new stuff next week. :)

EDIT: Do'h! ann_sgcfan beat me to the answer. :o

SamJackShipper93
October 11th, 2008, 10:05 PM
Just wanted to say how much I like the character of Ashley.

It's very nice to see a girl who's fearless, courageous, sharp-witted and smart, and while she could very well have that rebellious teenage personality, she's not at all sarcastic or disrespectful to Helen. They seem to have a wonderful relationship, working and personal, and I don't think we see that enough on TV (or in real life) today!

Loved Fata Morgana, can't wait til next week's ep! :)

AutumnDream
October 11th, 2008, 10:25 PM
I am actually enjoying this show. I never saw the internet version, but yeah. I'm just sorta watching it without being critical and enjoying the very pretty gothic visuals and humor which is actually pretty amusing, quite unlike SG's humor in recent years which is basically OH HEY WE MADE A CUTE POP CULTURE REFERENCE HA HA.

Erm, yeah. Enjoyable show. Will is cool. Good job.

majorsal
October 11th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Just wanted to say how much I like the character of Ashley.

It's very nice to see a girl who's fearless, courageous, sharp-witted and smart, and while she could very well have that rebellious teenage personality, she's not at all sarcastic or disrespectful to Helen. They seem to have a wonderful relationship, working and personal, and I don't think we see that enough on TV (or in real life) today!

Loved Fata Morgana, can't wait til next week's ep! :)

i loved their interactions in the ep too! :D like, when helen's in ashley's room (and holding her cup of tea :p), and just wanting to make sure her daughter would be careful and safe. and their loving kiss goodbye. :) i also chuckled when helen called her while ash was on the roof of some building (or ash called her), and when helen asked ashley if she got hurt and ash said no, helen said she'd change the bandages when she got home. :p

mr_kennedy
October 12th, 2008, 06:44 AM
pretty good episode

as a new fan, i still havent gotten use to amanda tappings voice, but its no biggie

i really like ashley's character, kind of reminds of o'niell (kind of)

hisg1fans
October 12th, 2008, 07:11 AM
my thoughts on 'fata mogana'. :)

loved it! :D
..............snip..........
very cool scene of ashley hanging out at the end of the brooklyn bridge... really curious on what happened to the bridge and society for that to happen.

..........snip.........
sally :D

I liked the bridge scene too.

In the webisodes, didn't we see Ashley driving her bike all the way across the bridge? Can't wait to see what happened to the bridge either. :)

jasminaGo
October 12th, 2008, 07:18 AM
Well, I liked most of the changes, but some not so much. Over all it was a good ep. My favourite part was definitely the Helen/Ashley interaction. I like this version of Ashley much better then the "hate the world" attitude she had before, although she's just as dangerous as she was then. The changes in the witch story were also very good, it leaves an open door for them to come back in the future and it made for a nice introduction of the new bad guys. Also love the bada$$ Helen act, you do not want to get on her bad side. :p What I didn't like so much was the cut out humour that made me snicker in the webs. Hopefully they'll be adding it up in the future eps.

And I'm glad the old material is basically over, now I can just sit back and enjoy the show for what it is, not what it was, because no matter how much I tried not to, I just went back to comparing the two versions. :rolleyes:

Frostfox
October 12th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Didn't like it as much as the premier.

Mythology was a bit of a mishmash.

Morrigan is Irish Celtic.
Music was Irish Celtic.
Girls found in Scotland, not in Ireland.
Girls last battle at Baden Hill (Somerset) about 350 miles from Scotland.
Girls home in Scotland? Or Ireland? Or Somerset?

Morrigan is a battle field goddess but Danu isn't one of her names (different goddess entirely). I should look up the other girls names, but The White Goddess is still about and there are plenty of other lists online of Her names, shouldn't have been hard to find a suitable one.

This is the one which really puzzled me, Morrigan has no connection (bar the similarity of name, though the names have different roots) with Morgan/Fata Morgana/Arthurian myth cycle (Welsh/English with a healthy dose of later French romance). So why Fata Morgana as the episode title and why bring Arthurian myths in at all?

Last dose of plague in Scotland, 1900, not 900. Even a Canadian school boy should know about the Great Plague in 1665, decimated most of Europe, including Scotland.

Ashley needs more work, more personality beyond her proto-Buffy fight skills. Great shot of her coming up through the water.
I was more aware of CGI this week, assume it was earlier CGI from webisodes re-used.
Helen is morally ambiguous, hope this leads to more conflict with Wil.
Liked the addition of another group with interests in supernatural creatures, wonder what their agenda is?

Hope my disappointment with this week is just a blip (due to knowing way too much about Celtic mythology and goddess' in particular) still looking forward to next week and new material not on the webisodes.

FF :nox:

suse
October 12th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Overall I liked the ep. It had some ups and downs that I hope will be taken care of when they have all new footage. (:( I'm gonna miss Helen's red streak.)

I rather liked the wep versions of the sisters - a bit darker, not malleable like they are in the ep.

Ashley was much better. :) Not so bratty.

:D Loved Helen kicking butt when needed.

I'm gonna have to find another (legal) way to get the episodes. Streaming from scifi and hulu isn't working isn't working. Well, it is, but not...well. Dialogue and video don't mesh well. Old computer... :P :(

suse

knowles2
October 12th, 2008, 01:42 PM
Well I am loving the Sanctuary series. The episode was pretty good. I love the elevator scene.

The ending was really good.
I thought the set up the cabal group and Abnormal intelligence network was done pretty well. I got a feeling the Cabal gonna regret taking the witches back and messing with Helen. They have deferentially got to start to respect those witches from now on.

The only real thing that disappointed me was Helen not having a few more surprises, like perhaps using the Sanctuary own Abnormals against the invading forces, I mean after all some of them think of the place as a home I would of liked to of seen them helped defend it. But I guest this episode is one of their low budget ones, reusing stock footage from the webisodes.

I enjoyed the Bridge scene. And I thought the autopsy scene was good. Through I would like to know how they got back from Scotland with three witches and the dead bodies.

And I thought Will in the elevator scene was pretty funny. But I am surprise that he one of the ones allowed of their cages, given his uncontrolled thoughts. I think he gonna be causing trouble in the future. Just the looked on his face, he enjoys winding will up.

Was a shame that Paul did not reappear as the professor but I guest they wanted a more available actor to become a reoccurring guest character.

Falcon 304
October 12th, 2008, 05:01 PM
I'm gonna have to find another (legal) way to get the episodes. Streaming from scifi and hulu isn't working isn't working. Well, it is, but not...well. Dialogue and video don't mesh well. Old computer... :P :(

suse

I find the quality to be nice (I have fairly new SDTV, but it displays some channels like utter crap, scifi being one of them :(), but they cut a bit from the top and bottom for no reason, and squish it as well.

RealmOfX
October 12th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Didn't like it as much as the premier.

Mythology was a bit of a mishmash.

Morrigan is Irish Celtic.
Music was Irish Celtic.
Girls found in Scotland, not in Ireland.
Girls last battle at Baden Hill (Somerset) about 350 miles from Scotland.
Girls home in Scotland? Or Ireland? Or Somerset?

Morrigan is a battle field goddess but Danu isn't one of her names (different goddess entirely). I should look up the other girls names, but The White Goddess is still about and there are plenty of other lists online of Her names, shouldn't have been hard to find a suitable one.

This is the one which really puzzled me, Morrigan has no connection (bar the similarity of name, though the names have different roots) with Morgan/Fata Morgana/Arthurian myth cycle (Welsh/English with a healthy dose of later French romance). So why Fata Morgana as the episode title and why bring Arthurian myths in at all?

Last dose of plague in Scotland, 1900, not 900. Even a Canadian school boy should know about the Great Plague in 1665, decimated most of Europe, including Scotland.

Ashley needs more work, more personality beyond her proto-Buffy fight skills. Great shot of her coming up through the water.
I was more aware of CGI this week, assume it was earlier CGI from webisodes re-used.
Helen is morally ambiguous, hope this leads to more conflict with Wil.
Liked the addition of another group with interests in supernatural creatures, wonder what their agenda is?

Hope my disappointment with this week is just a blip (due to knowing way too much about Celtic mythology and goddess' in particular) still looking forward to next week and new material not on the webisodes.

FF :nox:

I'm liking the TV series but I'm having trouble objectively viewing it because I keep comparing it to the webisodes. I'm leaving any detailed comments until I get to see a couple of episodes with new material. I think this episode suffered just a little from it's basic storyline being altered so much from the webisodes. I'm not saying it wasn't good but I thought they did a much better job of fitting their version of myth into their fictional world in the webisodes (I truly loved Danu's "I remember who we are" scene).

One thing to keep in mind when watching Sanctuary is that Damian intended it to be similar to our world but it is not our world so things will be different, hence being set in a city which is supposed to be a mixture of elements from Gotham City and New York City. So is it reasonable to be overly comparing the show's chosen way to develop their mythology to a specific version of our mythology?

Here's a different viewpoint on some of the points you raised.


Girls found in Scotland, not in Ireland.
Girls last battle at Baden Hill (Somerset) about 350 miles from Scotland.
Girls home in Scotland? Or Ireland? Or Somerset?

It is possible to be born somewhere and travel someplace else and for your captors to again take you somewhere else and imprison you. I'm not sure of the correlation you are trying to draw from being in a place and the witches home.

This is the one which really puzzled me, Morrigan has no connection (bar the similarity of name, though the names have different roots) with Morgan/Fata Morgana/Arthurian myth cycle (Welsh/English with a healthy dose of later French romance). So why Fata Morgana as the episode title and why bring Arthurian myths in at all?

As the original storyline was directly involved with the Arthur myths I can see why it is there. Now the way I see it is that Damian was combining the concepts of the triple goddess and the trio of witches that constantly appear throughout our mythology to create their own mythology. To my knowledge there was at least one account of three witches connected to the Arthurian legend in Geoffrey of Monmouth's Vita Merlini, who sucked the life out of Arthur's soldiers on the battlefields. The names Morrigan, Danu, Tatha and Caird could simply have been taken or been variations from existing mythology names. Actually I remember Tracy putting up some research over on the Sanctuary Fans Forum last year, I should go check it out.

Now as for the plague, it should be noted that the term plague was historically applied to a lot of things that resulted in the death of many people. Also the terms plague and bubonic plague tend to be erroneously used interchangeably. Today there is a section of scientists who believe that most of "the plague" outbreaks attributed to bubonic plague were actually some kind of hemorrhagic disease. I can't remember the book I read about it but it was a recent book written about 4-5 years ago. Now it's quite possible that Damian's research took him along that alternate path of thinking since Will deliberately differentiated between plague and bubonic plague.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Actually something I will comment on from this episode :

*pouts*

No Wexford or Steve appearances!! I loved those two characters! We did get a Steve mention by Will but there was no training sequence in the alley, maybe in a future episode please??

I can understand why they took Wexford out because they changed the storyline but hopefully there will be a use for his character in the future?

helenmagnus23
October 12th, 2008, 08:04 PM
I just watched FATA MORGANA it was great i loved it my favorite scenes were seeing Helen blow away the keepers and telling the leader of the Cabal to get off her property and Ashley taking Will's gun and when Henery gets caught and he's empitying his pockets :cool: i cant wait for the next episode .

Rocky89
October 12th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Cross post from Sanctuary Forum.

----------------------------

Alright, 20 minutes in and I'm not liking the story changes that much. The Keepers are governed by... someone/some organization? Yeah...

EDIT

I suppose I'll just edit this on commercials.

YAY for more Bigfoot dialog. It seems that they've reused EVERYTHING from the webisodes. Because of this, Amanda is wearing her wig for the episode (except for maybe one scene so far). I'm continuing to not really like the changing of the story.

EDIT 2

AW MAN! They changed what Steve looks like. First scene back from the commercials was EPIC though. It almost seems as if Amanda may have just straightened her hair, but it also seems too dark for that to be so. Sometimes, and sometimes not seeing the streak of color in there is throwing me off.

EDIT 3

Okay, I'm liking the establishment of bad guys, but I still don't like how they never explained the myth of The Morrigan. I also think that Amanda straightened her hair, but can't be certain.

I currently have no other thoughts other than OMG HELEN DID THE MOST BAD *** ****ING THING I'VE EVER ****ING SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF ****ING EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well since I've never really seen the webisodes, I don't really have a point of reference, expect the comments I've read about the changes. I agree, her hair does look like a wig in a few shots, and when I see them I think "Oh, she's still blonde under there" :D. And yeah, Helen kicking butt-- AWESOME, I WANT MORE ;).



And now a question about the opening credits. Does anybody else think that might have been a picture of Amanda and Olivia?

That was actually the very first thing I thought of as soon as I saw that pic, I actually rewinded the tape to see that again. If that is Olivia, I'm sure Amanda thought about it, and maybe she thought it'd be a sweet gesture to put her on TV. But we don't know for sure so we shouldn't jump to conclusions. But I will say this though, the dress Amanda/Helen's wearing in the pic looks like the one Amanda wore at AT3, and if that is a real pic, maybe it was taken before AT3 and after Amanda dyed her hair.


i've got about 45 minutes until it's on for me, but after it's over, i *have* to go to bed (have to get up and 4:30am) and i won't be able to review it until tomorrow... work is a four-letter word.

but i'm VERY excited to see sanctuary tonight!!

That early? :( Wow Sally, you're tough, and at least you'll have some caffeine waiting for ya when you get that there ;). Plus, if Amanda can do all those long hard hours at work, you can too. *Wink*


just a quick note and then bed time...

LOVED the ep!! :D

Word. :P


my thoughts on 'fata mogana'. :)

loved it! :D

i'm very glad they've worked on mellowing ashley. she's a much more likeable person. my mom was woo hooing while ash was kicking butt. :p

loved that the three witches weren't all that bad after all. they were given an option to be something different, which i'm hoping we'll see (them) again. i especially liked the main sister. i don't know where i've seen her before, but i like her.

the black guy that was the head of the organization that wanted the witches back, we've seen him before on sg1. and he was being snarky to amanda/character then too! :p

very cool scene of ashley hanging out at the end of the brooklyn bridge... really curious on what happened to the bridge and society for that to happen.

my only complaint is MORE HELEN is needed!!, but i'm sure that's going to come along, like any fine dish that's slowly surved... just don't let us starve to death first. :p

excellent second ep of the series! ;)


sally :D

"and he was being snarky to amanda/character then too!" Sally, have you forgotten about Sam already? :samanime24: Just kidding :P. But yeah, more Helen/Amanda is always better, and like you, I know more will come, after all, I need my Amanda fix :D.


i liked the allowance line as well, but i think they're trying to soften the helen/ashley relationship, so maybe that's why they changed it. but it didn't take anything away from the ep for me at all.

i was telling to my mom that i'm glad this isn't an all shoot 'em up show. they're taking the time to know and delve into the characters, which i think is the number one interesting thing about any story. at least ones i like (and end up falling in love with).

i'm soooooooo glad amanda kept the british helen accent! :D


sally :D

Me too :).


i loved their interactions in the ep too! like, when helen's in ashley's room (and holding her cup of tea), and just wanting to make sure her daughter would be careful and safe. and their loving kiss goodbye. i also chuckled when helen called her while ash was on the roof of some building (or ash called her), and when helen asked ashley if she got hurt and ash said no, helen said she'd change the bandages when she got home.

I love their time on screen together, I'd like to see Helen and Ashley spend some normal time together, like in a theme park or something, that'd be nice :).

suse
October 12th, 2008, 08:24 PM
I'm liking the TV series but I'm having trouble objectively viewing it because I keep comparing it to the webisodes. I'm leaving any detailed comments until I get to see a couple of episodes with new material. I think this episode suffered just a little from it's basic storyline being altered so much from the webisodes. I'm not saying it wasn't good but I thought they did a much better job of fitting their version of myth into their fictional world in the webisodes (I truly loved Danu's "I remember who we are" scene).

One thing to keep in mind when watching Sanctuary is that Damian intended it to be similar to our world but it is not our world so things will be different, hence being set in a city which is supposed to be a mixture of elements from Gotham City and New York City. So is it reasonable to be overly comparing the show's chosen way to develop their mythology to a specific version of our mythology?
<snip>

This is the one which really puzzled me, Morrigan has no connection (bar the similarity of name, though the names have different roots) with Morgan/Fata Morgana/Arthurian myth cycle (Welsh/English with a healthy dose of later French romance). So why Fata Morgana as the episode title and why bring Arthurian myths in at all?

As the original storyline was directly involved with the Arthur myths I can see why it is there. Now the way I see it is that Damian was combining the concepts of the triple goddess and the trio of witches that constantly appear throughout our mythology to create their own mythology. To my knowledge there was at least one account of three witches connected to the Arthurian legend in Geoffrey of Monmouth's Vita Merlini, who sucked the life out of Arthur's soldiers on the battlefields. The names Morrigan, Danu, Tatha and Caird could simply have been taken or been variations from existing mythology names. Actually I remember Tracy putting up some research over on the Sanctuary Fans Forum last year, I should go check it out.

<snip>
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Actually something I will comment on from this episode :

*pouts*

No Wexford or Steve appearances!! I loved those two characters! We did get a Steve mention by Will but there was no training sequence in the alley, maybe in a future episode please??

I can understand why they took Wexford out because they changed the storyline but hopefully there will be a use for his character in the future?

:D I loves Steve too. I hope they use that bit, I think they can later.

Wexford was cool too. I liked the Arthurian stuff. Whether it was accurate or not, it was cool.

I have a copy of the ep I can actually watch so am really liking this better now.

suse

majorsal
October 12th, 2008, 08:36 PM
I love their time on screen together, I'd like to see Helen and Ashley spend some normal time together, like in a theme park or something, that'd be nice :).

i hope, WHEN we get a season 2 :D, we'll get to see 1- helen's decision to 'finally' bring ashley into the world, and 2- seeing young ashley/helen interactions. doesn't have to be a lot of screen time devoted to it, but i'd love to see helen raising ashley through time. :)



sally :D

hisg1fans
October 13th, 2008, 03:07 PM
i hope, WHEN we get a season 2 :D, we'll get to see 1- helen's decision to 'finally' bring ashley into the world, and 2- seeing young ashley/helen interactions. doesn't have to be a lot of screen time devoted to it, but i'd love to see helen raising ashley through time. :)



sally :D

LOL

What do you think Helen taught Ashley first?

To ride a bike? Or to handle a weapon? ;)

poundpuppy29
October 14th, 2008, 12:40 PM
I just watched it it was ok but I liked the premire more.

I didn't watch the Webisodes so I can't comment on those but I could tell that AT was wearing a wig.

I really like Will big surprise being a Daniel fan;) but I really don't see any chemistry with the girl who is playing his ex that part really left me cold.

I really liked the ending the heroes didn't save the day.

Integrabyte
October 14th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Just finished this. This one seemed rushed compared to the pilot. I liked the latter more and this one has the same problem you see in Atlantis. They cannot film fight and heavy action scenes :(:(. They are great with landscape, and static objects but when moving is involved the camera fails to follow properly or it follows but the whole scene changes and looks amateurish :(.

Ash is still the rebel teen with the run and gun enthusiasm. I hope she matures a bit throughout the season.

CGI was okay, however, some scenes with Helen in the house looked very fake due to the fact that she was moving and shooting. Their eternal problem once again :(. The good CGI shots, perfect I might add, were the ones used in the Pilot, the circling camera on the mansion, and the bridge ;).

I am not a Buffy or Angel fan. I've never seen more than 3 episodes from both series. From what I saw in this one, the monsters and approach looked very similar.

I still don't know if I like it. Time will tell, for the moment, bring on the next one ;). Oh, and Helen was gorgeous with the shotgun ;). Lovely outfit for Amanda and very well done scene ;).

Speaking of which...yummmay :D

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Mcfergeson
October 14th, 2008, 05:50 PM
I've never seen the webisodes, so this is all new for me. And I'm enjoying it so far. I liked Fata Morgana's introduction of a new villain, the Cabal. A recurring baddie is just what the show needs.

I'm liking Ashley a great deal. She's sort of a cross between Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Selene from Underworld. I'm also becoming a fan of big foot.

It was also fun seeing Leah Cairns from Battlestar Galactica as one of the witches. Cairns played Racetrack on BSG.

EvenstarSRV
October 14th, 2008, 06:26 PM
It was also fun seeing Leah Cairns from Battlestar Galactica as one of the witches. Cairns played Racetrack on BSG.

Whoa, thanks! I knew I'd seen her before but I couldn't remember from where. How could I forget Racetrack! :o :P

majorsal
October 14th, 2008, 10:21 PM
i watched the ep again. good, solid entertainment, but a huge dose of WOW! ;)

and can i say amanda tapping rocks? i can? thanks! :D

AMANDA TAPPING ROCKS!!!!!!!

helen is cool http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1192/helenmagnusanifj5.gif

The_Carpenter
October 20th, 2008, 02:58 PM
Just watched it on ITV4... few thoughts, mainly why call the episode "fata morgana" when despite Arthurian mythology being mentioned it has nothing to do with Morgana La Fey? odd.

Other than that awesome bit of escapism for an Monday night :cameron: (and did anyone else notice the recycling of the Kull Warrior prosthetic? :p)

RealmOfX
October 20th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Just watched it on ITV4... few thoughts, mainly why call the episode "fata morgana" when despite Arthurian mythology being mentioned it has nothing to do with Morgana La Fey? odd.
<snip>

Because the story was rewrittten from the webisodes where it had a lot to do with the Arthurian legend (Merlin specifically).

ori soldier
October 20th, 2008, 04:43 PM
this ep was alrite gotta say though i prefered the original i mean wat the hell was the ending seriously

AvatarIII
October 22nd, 2008, 03:23 AM
having not seen the webisodes, i would say i found this episode rather weak, i'm hoping for better next week

Matt G
October 23rd, 2008, 06:47 AM
Didn't see the original webbys relating to this ep so came in cold!

1. As Will said, these women were effectively in suspended animation since 800 AD. Surely the Cabal would have had cause to thaw them out before now.

2. Furthermore the Cabal do not sound like people you want to frack with.

3. Not sure why Will's girlfriend is back in the picture - thought we were done with her!

4. Wasn't so sure about Helen's willingness to throw the MOrrigan to the wolves here.

Decent ep but this isn't looking like classic TV just yet.

Rachel500
October 25th, 2008, 07:52 AM
Fata Morgana provides a good continuation for Santuary delivering a cohesive, action packed story along with some good character moments as the audience sees Will Zimmerman begin to settle into his new job. The acting, directing and story are top notch and the overall production is high but the graphic backgrounds do get a little shaky here and there.

Having complained about the lack of action in the pilot, here there is a good mix of action and exposition. Both Ashley’s fight with the chameleon and the Morrigan’s revelation of their power provide action mid-way through but the two main action sequences at the beginning and at the end nicely bookend the episode; they are exciting, tightly choreographed and well directed. There was a danger they could have got repetitive but there is enough of a difference in location and build-up for them to be very different.

Both scenes highlight the mother-daughter relationship between Ashley and Helen very well while demonstrating Will’s relative fighting incompetence – there were two lovely moments in the first; one where Will inquires about the hand signals between the two women and the second where they sandwich him protectively between them in the fight. The end sequence with Helen noting they need Ashley and Ashley helping Will shoot the monsters is also very good.

All are nice character moments in the story which is packed with them; Helen and Ashley’s mother-daughter moments, Will’s call to his ex-girlfriend, his disgust of the forensic dissection that Helen performs and her gusto for the same; her almost forgetting his presence as she begins her study; the building of respect between Will and Helen as they discuss what is to be done with the Morrigan.

The Morrigan themselves make a good story – excellent use of flashbacks and loved the seamless transfer from future to past and past to future – very cleverly done. The three powerful women choosing their own fate is the key to the story and nicely worked in without the audience being hit over the head with it. The introduction of the all-powerful Cabal and the informant Squid also provide the show with extra depth and colour.

Speaking of which, it’s incredibly dark. Very Angel-esque. Please can we have some light? That nit-pick aside, there are two other main areas for improvement: first, is the graphics – the background graphics are impressive and the majority of the time the effect is really believable but they do appear shaky in action sequences – as Will comes flying down the stairs into the main atrium to discover the Morrigan floating, in Ashley’s fight with the chameleon and as Helen and Bigfoot face the Keepers in the house.

Secondly, I’d personally like more banter between the characters. It still feels a little too serious for me. Will’s occasional dry remarks such as the ‘sock on the door’ go down well, his exchange with Ashley on the ‘I’ll play to my strengths’ was good, Helen’s remark that she would fix Ashley’s bandages later after Ashley claimed she wasn’t injured was also good but these are few and far between. The stuff with Henry was also good but I think it would benefit if Ashley was showcased more with her mother and Will. Emilie Ullerup does a good job with the role and the character’s more direct nature tends to prompt the moments of banter. I’m not saying it needs to be a comedy but for me it still needs to lighten up more.

Those things aside, the episode was well-constructed and well-acted. Overall, not a bad outing. If it keeps up this standard I may even sign on as bona fide fan of the show.

Rachel500
October 25th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Having read the rest of the thread, I have to say that I think I'm thankful that I don't have the webisodes to compare to what I've seen on screen. I'm sure it's difficult for those who have to see something they enjoyed reimagined for a different medium. A bit like I much prefer books to their subsequent movies most of the time.

On the mythology questions raised; for me, it doesn't matter that The Morrigan are not an exact match to known mythology. There is plenty of mythology around about three witches/the three Fates/three sisters, that I just kind of accepted it without questioning the names, etc. And Arthurian mythology at the end of the day has been added to and reimagined by authors, poets, filmmakers and even historians that there is enough wiggle room to make this Morrigan part of it. Certainly the whole Avalon/Wiccan Sisterhood/Lady of the Lake/Morgan provides the opportunity. At the end of the day, it's fiction and I'm happy enough to suspend belief and accept Damian's version of mythology as the basis for the story although I would agree that given the connection to Morgan wasn't made even if the connection to Arthur was, the title of the episode didn't really make sense.

dosed150
January 7th, 2009, 01:33 PM
ive noticed a pretty obvious mistake, zimmerman says the last outbreak of bubonic plague in scotland was 800ad but the plague didn't reach europe until the 14th century so theyre at least 600 years off

just noticed that points been made, the its not our our world its just similar line sounds like a flimsy excuse for the creators to not fact check

oh and that accent is just so bad i think i would enjoy the show more without that attempt to sound like a posh victorian

Falcon 304
January 7th, 2009, 08:35 PM
You're in the minority when it comes to the accent. As for the plague bit, if going for accuracy, even a monkey couldn't be off by that much. Though, *the five*
they made vampires the creators of... everything
so they can make up what ever they want to.

Also, a large portion of this episode is made up of the original webisodes. Watch some of the better episodes from the season like......... all of them but this one, lol.

dosed150
January 8th, 2009, 01:37 AM
You're in the minority when it comes to the accent. As for the plague bit, if going for accuracy, even a monkey couldn't be off by that much. Though, *the five*
they made vampires the creators of... everything
so they can make up what ever they want to.

Also, a large portion of this episode is made up of the original webisodes. Watch some of the better episodes from the season like......... all of them but this one, lol.

the accent could be a lot worse if helen magnus was meant to be a modern day brit then it would really annoy me

i liked the pilot so im definetely going to carry on a bad episode doesnt mean a bad series

whats really been bugging me for ages is the massive ads that take up a third of the screen on sci fi even the most annoying channels over here arent quite that bad

Tachyon
February 13th, 2010, 10:01 PM
This is a good episode. The storyline is interesting and well written. Sanctuary just keeps getting more promising. :)

Skydiver
July 16th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Fata Morgana

aka, webbie retread #2

In a lot of ways it's the same, but there are differences. After all the original was longer so things had to be cut. We also have the introduction of the cabal, helen's nemesis for a year or two

the first change is helen's line 'we work together or we die'...can't say I like that any better than 'im cutting off your allowence'. little OTT to me.

obviolusly the whole 'ash getting her mojo back' storyline is gone. Since she doesn't have the trauma of being kidnapped by druitt and learning he's her daddy, she has no horrible flashbacks.
Instead of her going out against orders to get her nerve back, she's just going out on her own to do a job.

the rings are on the women, not on the keepers.

a lot of the rest is the same, but the women do change. they are more sympathetic and less malevolent than in the webbies.

I can't say i'm too thrilled with will's bedside manner....'the sooner you accept that the sooner we can make progress'.....don't think that's a good shrink method.

we get intro'd to squid, implying that helen and ash have a vast network of informants.

we also get a good view of the broken bridge, yet another hint to the never solved 'what happened to old city' mystery.

henry is still the bumbler, which does get kinda old but also changes as the show goes on. He's never going to be a strategic and fighting ace, but he's allowed to be smarter.

we also do not get to see Wexford in this version. and there's less of a focus on merlin and morgana and more on the cabal using hte women.

in the webbie, we never get a resolution. webbie 8 ends with a cliffie, multple characters in peril and imminent danger. In this obviously, there is a resolution. the morrigan choose to go with the cabal...and seem to have more power because they CHOOSE to go.

i noticed one big nit that would have settled the 'are they/aren't they'....helen never thought to analyze the style and kind of clothing the women were wearing? 17th century textiles should be relatively easy to determine.

wasn't horrible, wasn't great. I don't care for the 'we need ashley', which does suggest that her main purpose is to kick butt, but I do like the morrigan choosing to go....even as i really don't like what hte cabal eventually became.

JanSam
July 16th, 2012, 08:58 PM
While I liked the mythology from the webisodes better; I do like how the episode plays out. Having the Morigan choose to leave was a good ending. I do miss the scenes with the Morigan walking in the battlefield. It was better in the webisode; not sure how it was cut but it wasn't as impressive in the episode.

I'm very glad to see Ashley's "rampage" taken out of in the episode; I just didn't care for that part of the storyline.

I agree with ya Sky about Will's bedside manner; that line just rubs the wrong way.

I noticed in the credits that Lee Wilson did the voice for Squid :P.

fems
July 17th, 2012, 12:51 AM
Was rather bored throughout the episode since a lot of scenes were the same as the webisodes, although some were (badly) looped. Prefer the mythology behind the Morrigan from the webbies but knowing there will be more of the Cabal later on I understand why they changed it.

I do, however, wonder why the Cabal kept the Morrigan asleep for this long. I get they tried fooling the world into thinking the Cabal no longer exists but it would have been nice to hear at least one reference about the Morrigan's fate later on, near the end of the first season or so.

Thought it was interesting that when Squid said that the Cabal has been doing this a lot longer than Ash and her mom, Ashley mumbled "you'd be surprised" since a lot of the Abnormals and/or people working with them seem to know all about the infamous Helen Magnus later on in the show.

I was also glad the Ashley rampage was taken out and the scene in her bedroom with Magnus was changed. Wished they would have taken out the "We need Ashley!" line, since I already said during the webisodes that it made it sound like Ashley was their only security. Which is just ridiculous for someone as well organized as Helen Magnus. Not to mention that she had to have had some kind of security when Ashley was younger (she's only 23-ish after all).

While I understand reusing a lot of material from the webbies I thought it was a bit odd since Magnus' hair and demeanor was so different. And Biggie was wearing that awful manservant outfit.

SnowWhite
May 30th, 2013, 12:28 PM
not exactly one of my fav episodes, but when I was rewatching it with my boyfriend I noticed this:
In the scene when the Morrigans start floating off-screen and Will's stiff is shaking..
Is there Damian Kindler on his mug??? :D

Sparky She-Demon
June 1st, 2013, 06:22 PM
My favorite bit in the episode was when Helen and Ashley were doing the hand signals. Especially the "I'm cutting your allowance" signal!

Bonniesrg
February 16th, 2014, 01:25 PM
Glasses wearing Will ...YAY! Hate Helen's Webisodes hair with the red streaks, but not as much as when I first saw it.

I liked the original hand signal with the bit about the "Allowance" as it just seems more of a thing that would be said between a mother & daughter, rather than the new translation that doesn't really come across as well..

With what Will has seen so far he thinks there is no possible way for her to be from the past. She just has to be crazy. Why did Helen hire him again. :rolleyes:

I'm not a psychiatrist or anything, but are you supposed to insist to your patients very early on when treating them that all they believe is false and to actually push what you believe to be true on them as fact. SHUT UP WILL!

So Will calls Meg which I get, she broke up with him not the other way round, so maybe he hopes they can get back together. But she's all "You won't even tell me where you're working"...she say's he is never at his apartment & get's jealous when she thinks he's dating someone else. Um...you broke up with him Meg, why should you know where he works or where he is all the time. Stop giving the poor man hope (O.K. So I am a little biased to her just because the actresses character in Battlestar Galactica treated poor Billy so bad).

Chuck is just brilliant, the scene in lift was fun. But wasn't he one of the ones Helen referred to as being too dangerous to roam outside the Sanctuary with other people...but it's fine for him to be in a small enclosed space with Will. All righty then.

So Bigfoot saves Helen. Her response "Where the hell have you been". Seems like those Victorian manners have diluted over the years. I believe when someone saves your life the correct response is 'Thank-you' Helen. :rolleyes:

Druitt got the best of Henry & again in this episode Henry is captured, it looks as if he will be the resident damsel in distress. :p. Henry pulling all the weapons out from his person was pure gold comedy.

The End credits seem to go on for longer than most shows that I've watched, but I don't mind so much as I love the theme music.