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GateWorld
September 12th, 2008, 05:52 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 101-102</FONT>
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While investigating the disturbing murder of two police officers, forensic psychiatrist Will Zimmerman meets a mysterious woman -- Dr. Helen Magnus, who introduces him to a refuge for strange creatures. Meanwhile, a powerful man from Helen's past attempts to gain access to the Sanctuary.

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Skydiver
October 3rd, 2008, 08:03 PM
I loved it

the differences between the webbies adn the movie were only noticible if you knew they were there.

i like it being fleshed out, will has a good back story, ties with the sanctuary going back 30 years. i like that ashley doesn't know about daddy. ashley is a bit more buffed and prettied up, but not quite as ott, which is a welcome reprieve. she got on my nerves in the webbies.

i like how kavan's role was expanded, and it was fun to see siler show up (he was a cop in the tunnels that got beat up by ashley)

interesting new twist about helen's blood and cool foreshadowing about the 'Five'

it's off to a good start

ann_sgcfan
October 3rd, 2008, 08:30 PM
Yeah Wow... the last 30 minutes really pull you in... nice twists

The fact that the Helen's blood ties into John is a cool twist! So does her blood allow him to travel through time (which would mean that she was immortal before when they were engaged) OR did her blood make him crazy... Or something else entirely? I really like that aspect and the many possibilities. :D

I do like the changes from the webisodes. There is more mystery and wow cool twist have I mentioned that :P

I really enjoyed it. :D

Falcon 304
October 3rd, 2008, 08:33 PM
I can't begin to put into words how ****ing amazing that was. I now see what Damian was talking about as to the "CSI" type stuff. Not too much of it, but it's interesting.

Of course, I knew of EVERY part used from the webisodes, and what was added/changed. :p The coroner scenes were completely the same, and I assume the train and subway going buy before Ashley gets off her bike are reused. Ashley with the umbrella was from the webisodes and cut at the end (when John popped in in the alley), and her going into the subway was also from it. The 1888 scene was the same footage, but they changed the lighting and background behind Helen. They also added the part with the close up on John's face below the eyes, and when Helen checks on the prostitute (I think).

In the second half, Amanda flipping had me twisted around her finger. Well, first off, my jar LITERALLY dropped when she went to "talk" to the mermaid. From any scene on with her, she was soooooooooooooo hot, but I was also very entranced in the story.

Something else I'd like to touch on is Helen's attitude. She is indeed VERY blunt. A few examples: the "You got in the way line" :D, from that same scene telling Will that she... *ahem* wants him ;), and at the very end she immediately informs Will of her age right at the end (or before he finishes) his sentence.

I just had to jump up and down when I got up to turn my computer back on after that. I mean... DUDE! :)

Slightly OT:
So my mother and sister came home exactly when the second airing started. They see the signs I put up and and are standing in the doorway just staring at me. I give them a gesture with my hand/arm to shoo, and then say please. They stand there some more and my mother asks, "what are you watching? A movie?" I say no and then she asks, "oh, you watching your girlfriend?"

I again shoo them. :D Good lord, if only she knew... CRAP, she's going to have to if I want to go to London. :rolleyes:

Falcon 304
October 3rd, 2008, 08:38 PM
Yeah Wow... I really liked it as well!

The fact that the Helen's blood ties into John is a cool twist! So is her blood allow him to travel through time (which would mean that she was immortal before when they were engaged) OR did her blood make him crazy... Or something else entirely? I really like that aspect and the many possibilities. :D

I do like the changes from the webisodes. There is more mystery and wow cool twist have I mentioned that :P

I really enjoyed it. :D

I suppose this is a spoiler for those that went into this blind.

He already had the power to warp space/time before he met Helen.

It's something that will be clearly explained during The Five, but Sanctuary For All gives support to the theory that there is something in Helen's blood that regenerates cells. Because John's ability has a degenerative effect on his brain, it makes sense that he needs Helen's blood.

Falcon 304
October 3rd, 2008, 08:40 PM
OH YES! Something that has really caught my attention is the music. I simply can NOT get over it's effect on the mood being portrayed. I just find it so very strong.

ann_sgcfan
October 3rd, 2008, 08:42 PM
I suppose this is a spoiler for those that went into this blind.

He already had the power to warp space/time before he met Helen.

It's something that will be clearly explained during The Five, but Sanctuary For All gives support to the theory that there is something in Helen's blood that regenerates cells. Because John's ability has a degenerative effect on his brain, it makes sense that he needs Helen's blood.


Is this something Damian said? I must have missed it. Or is this your theory?

ForeverSg1
October 3rd, 2008, 08:42 PM
I really enjoyed the show as well. It's 100% better than the webisodes in my opinion. The lighting is much better. The storyline is gripping and all of the main characters have been made much more likeable imho as well as interesting. Oh! and the special effects were breathtaking.

I have to admit I was a bit concerned when I heard that Sci-Fi had picked up the show, but so fa it's a great start and I'm truly looking forward to seeing more.

I already have my theories about Helen's blood.

:)

ann_sgcfan
October 3rd, 2008, 08:47 PM
I really enjoyed the show as well. It's 100% better than the webisodes in my opinion. The lighting is much better. The storyline is gripping and all of the main characters have been made much more likeable imho as well as interesting. Oh! and the special effects were breathtaking.

I have to admit I was a big concerned when I heard that Sci-Fi had picked up the show, but so far, I think it's a great start and I'm truly looking forward to seeing more.

I already have my theories about Helen's blood.

:)

LOL and you aren't going to share with us? It's good to see you back! :D

Falcon 304
October 3rd, 2008, 08:49 PM
So is it just me, or is there a single vibrate sound when Big Foot brings in the tea?

ForeverSg1
October 3rd, 2008, 08:50 PM
I suppose this is a spoiler for those that went into this blind.

He already had the power to warp space/time before he met Helen.

It's something that will be clearly explained during The Five, but Sanctuary For All gives support to the theory that there is something in Helen's blood that regenerates cells. Because John's ability has a degenerative effect on his brain, it makes sense that he needs Helen's blood.


I'm really looking forward to seeing 'The Five'. I have a speculation that
Tesla has something to do with Helen's regenerative abilities.

I believe he would have been in his thirties during the time that Helen was engaged to Druitt; and like Helen, he was a brilliant scientist who was ahead of his time. But he was also said to have been obsessed with the idea of 'immortality'. So I'm really interested to see where they go with this storyline. :)

EternityStar
October 3rd, 2008, 08:51 PM
Just finished watching it over here...thank god for DVR's or I would've missed the first half. I haven't looked much into Sanctuary before, but it looks promising, particularly the plot twists. As for the characters, Dr. Magnus and John Druitt intrigued me the most, with their century-old connections, and not to mention John being CREEPY. For the weirdest reason though, Will somehow reminds me of Daniel from SG; crackpot scientist who amazingly is right about stuff, and so gets recruited for some super-secret science project. Given that he's the main guy, I think we'll see some character develpment on that front. Ashley is a bit of a let-down though - she just seems to be the fanservicey Lara Croft-esque tough girl in leather. Without the plot linking her back to Magnus and Druitt, she doesn't have much going for her, she just seems shallow.

On the flip side, I thought it was kind of funny to see Major Lorne's face in there. That, and I totally didn't catch the Siler guy crossing over either.

EvenstarSRV
October 3rd, 2008, 08:56 PM
I loved it

the differences between the webbies adn the movie were only noticible if you knew they were there.

i like it being fleshed out, will has a good back story, ties with the sanctuary going back 30 years. i like that ashley doesn't know about daddy. ashley is a bit more buffed and prettied up, but not quite as ott, which is a welcome reprieve. she got on my nerves in the webbies.

i like how kavan's role was expanded, and it was fun to see siler show up (he was a cop in the tunnels that got beat up by ashley)

interesting new twist about helen's blood and cool foreshadowing about the 'Five'

it's off to a good start

The extra backstory for Will was great, to see what kind of life he'd leave behind by working for Magnus. And seeing more of Kavan is always fun.

I also liked the more expanded relationship between Helen and Ashley, a bit softer and closer than it felt in the webisodes.

I also liked the bit with Helen's blood and Druitt singing about 'The Five'. The reunion between Helen and Druitt was great, as was Will confronting Magnus about not being able to save his mother.

As much as I loved it, I did see what some critics have been saying about the pacing being rather slow. They had a lot of stuff to set-up and several storylines to handle, but now that that's done they can hopefully pick up the pace and streamline the storytelling a bit.

I can't wait to see more. :)

chocdoc
October 3rd, 2008, 08:59 PM
I liked it! I think it was a good premiere, and to be honest, much better than I expected for a premiere. I want to know more about the characters. It will probably take a few episodes before Sanctuary hits its stride, but that only makes sense.

So far, so good!

ann_sgcfan
October 3rd, 2008, 09:04 PM
The extra backstory for Will was great, to see what kind of life he'd leave behind by working for Magnus. And seeing more of Kavan is always fun.

I also liked the more expanded relationship between Helen and Ashley, a bit softer and closer than it felt in the webisodes.

I also liked the bit with Helen's blood and Druitt singing about 'The Five'. The reunion between Helen and Druitt was great, as was Will confronting Magnus about not being able to save his mother.

As much as I loved it, I did see what some critics have been saying about the pacing being rather slow. They had a lot of stuff to set-up and several storylines to handle, but now that that's done they can hopefully pick up the pace and streamline the storytelling a bit.

I can't wait to see more. :)

Yeah I really liked Will's back story... especially when we find out Helen was there and Will like you said confronted her on it... That whole scene was great and lots of revelations!

Helen ans John's scenes are always filled with wonderful chemistry... it's intense. I like the insights for future episodes.

Yep I'm looking forward to more as well :D

the fifth man
October 3rd, 2008, 09:09 PM
I was very pleased with the premiere tonight. Very nice way to kick off this series, and there were so many familiar faces.:) I can't wait until next week.

Pepermint Jaffa
October 3rd, 2008, 09:11 PM
Me likey too.

I only watched the first 4 webisodes. Who are the "others" John referred to?

ann_sgcfan
October 3rd, 2008, 09:16 PM
Me likey too.

I only watched the first 4 webisodes. Who are the "others" John referred to?

We don't know.. something to be revealed in later episodes :D Does make you wonder what others?

DaxFlowLyfe
October 3rd, 2008, 09:53 PM
The webisodes left off on a cliffhanger with the morigan (which im guessing the next episode will end on the same cliffhanger)

then completely new episodes.

EvenstarSRV
October 3rd, 2008, 10:30 PM
We don't know.. something to be revealed in later episodes :D Does make you wonder what others?

Maybe 'the others' are The Five? I count Magnus, Druitt, Tesla, Crick, and someone else. Maybe the episode 'The Five' has a confrontation between these five people, each immortal in their own way?



The webisodes left off on a cliffhanger with the morigan (which im guessing the next episode will end on the same cliffhanger)

then completely new episodes.

I think the 4th episode is called Folding Man, which doesn't sound like its related to the Morrigan storyline so it probably won't end in a cliffhanger. I don't really mind since I wasn't particularly fond of that part. :)

DaxFlowLyfe
October 3rd, 2008, 10:40 PM
I think the 4th episode is called Folding Man, which doesn't sound like its related to the Morrigan storyline so it probably won't end in a cliffhanger. I don't really mind since I wasn't particularly fond of that part. :)

The next episode is episode 3
And its about finding the Morrigan

The webisodes ended on a cliffhanger after they found the Morrigan.
They find the Morrigan, they remember who they are, then Cryptkeepers assault the Sanctuary and everyone is taken out with the Morrigan free, thats how it ended. Cliffhanger

jenks
October 3rd, 2008, 10:49 PM
I can't believe how bad that was, they actually made it worse than the webisodes. The pacing was mind numbingly slow, clichés left right and center, honestly I can't believe Sci Fi even green lighted this drivel. I just don't see this show surviving with shows like Fringe and even Torchwood around, it's like a rip off of those, and a bad one at that. The only thing I can draw from the show that was any good was Christopher Heyerdahl's performance, everything else was below par, and don't even get me started on the Goa'uld symbiote sticking out of that kid. Unoriginal, dull and just plain boring, it'll now have SGA for a lead in so that'll help it, but on quality so far don't see it lasting more than a season.

majorsal
October 3rd, 2008, 11:13 PM
i loved it!! :D

there's a few cons, but much, MUCH more pros! i don't have time to go into a review (because i have to get up early for work :( ), but i'll totally talk about it tomorrow.

but on a scale of 1-5, i'll give it a 4.

oh, one more thing...

AMANDA ROCKED!!!!! :D

k, stupid bed time. oy.

ShadowMaat
October 3rd, 2008, 11:41 PM
Was the placement of the flashbacks changed from the original webisodes? I remember giving up after two eps because I couldn't follow all the back-and-forth timey wimey stuff, but watching tonight it all seemed really clear and coherent. I liked it. I'll definitely stay tuned in. For now. :D

DaxFlowLyfe
October 4th, 2008, 12:15 AM
Was the placement of the flashbacks changed from the original webisodes? I remember giving up after two eps because I couldn't follow all the back-and-forth timey wimey stuff, but watching tonight it all seemed really clear and coherent. I liked it. I'll definitely stay tuned in. For now. :D

Most of the webisodes began with a flashback into her life.

SamJackShipLover
October 4th, 2008, 02:51 AM
Question. I read in many revies about Helens "weird" accent (or, Amanda's bad english accent). Of course, we know it's because Helen has lived all over the world etc. But was this explained clearly in this first ep? So people can stop whining about the accent?

jasminaGo
October 4th, 2008, 05:07 AM
OK I gotta admit I was a little woried about how the eps will turn out, since I don't have much faith in SciFi, but it blew me away. It's so much better then the webisodes (and I loved those).

Will's backround story is a lot better, more rounded, and it's great how it ties to Helen. I'm glad Ashley didn't found out about her father right away, it promises so much goodness in future episodes. Also this Helen is still blunt and very much confident, but she's a lot softer, more...human for lack of a better word, then the wabisodes which I also like. Joel outdid himself with the music yet again, and the visual effects are simply stunning.

Bring on "Fata Morgana" :p


Question. I read in many revies about Helens "weird" accent (or, Amanda's bad english accent). Of course, we know it's because Helen has lived all over the world etc. But was this explained clearly in this first ep? So people can stop whining about the accent?

Nope, Ashley mentiones her accent and compares it to Jonh's, but that was it. And I don't get the whole accent issue. It sounded fine to me. I really want that to be addressed, so that we can move on.

mr_kennedy
October 4th, 2008, 05:15 AM
i liked it, im usually not a fan of supernatural shows like these, but sometimes a show like this will come around that grabs my attention

i only saw 1 webisode so i wasnt really clear on the backstory but damn amanda tappings voice has changed so much for this show i hate it

however christopher heyerdahl & kavan smith were great in this

mapsc
October 4th, 2008, 05:34 AM
I loved it. I was worried what SciFi would turn this show into, but it was great. Kudos to Amanda & company. I loved the story, the acting and it's a great "looking" show. Can't wait until next week.

Mike

Falcon 304
October 4th, 2008, 06:53 AM
Is this something Damian said? I must have missed it. Or is this your theory?

Well, seeing as Helen still says that he was her first patient, I think it's safe to assume it's the same/similar to the webisodes. That second bit was my theory though.

Shaod
October 4th, 2008, 07:08 AM
I've never seen the web series, but I like the TV series so far. The only downside is that it always takes place at night. I can't wait to see the story unravel.

Krissie678
October 4th, 2008, 07:31 AM
I absolutely loved it. I like how the backstories were expanded and the part about Helen's blood. That makes me wonder...
Loved it!!:)

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 09:13 AM
my theory about 'the others' is this

in the webbies helen once mentions to ashley 'there are rules.....' thus suggesting that some governing body MAKES the rules on how to deal with the various abnormals. I think 'the others' or 'the five' are this or in league with this governing body. there have to be rules else, well the whole world would know that all these monsters are real. And i think the goal of the various sanctuaries is to protect the abnormals by keeping their existence something that is easy to deny.
in other words, they 'make the problem go away', and as long as any 'normal' governing body doesn't have to KNOW that werewolves, etc, exist, they're happy to just turn a blind eye.

i think helen and ashley and their employees work under the auspices of someone else.

my bet about druitt and helen's blood

whatever happened to give her longevity, she came up with the idea to use it to help him. so she'd give him regular injections of her blood to 'fix' the damage caused by him jumping.

I think it was explained, every time he jumped, little parts of himself were left behind, or it poked holes in his brain or something, thus the more he jumped, the more unstable he got. he COULD cure himself by simply not using his power. but he can't. He's addicted to using his power, he can't live as a 'normal', he has to live jumping, so he self-destructs.

and helen helped him, then, i'm guessing, realized that he was probably just using her. likely so that he could jump into the past, kill women, jump back, and have the best of both worlds.

so she ran from him/kicked him out. likely to protect herself and ashley. or likely changed her mind when she got preggers.

john has been looking for her for years.

her past and her choices are coming back to haunt her.

I think helen is going to be far from a 'lily white pure and always right heroine', i think she's going to be very flawed. i think she's been doing what she thinks and feels is 'right' and doesn't quite care if it's really the best choice overall.

I think, more than once, she's going to have to face the fallout from her decisions. and pay the price for her beliefs. like is it fair to keep sentient creatures locked up? especially when all they want to do is kill? or who determines that someone is 'too dangerous' to be out? what if she chooses wrongly? what if she falsely imprisons someone? did some of her patients really come of their own free will? how does she help them? is she helping to try and let themfit in or just to make her corner of the world safe knowing that they'll live and die within her walls?

the questions and the not black and white/right and wrong is what makes it so interesting.

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 09:27 AM
this is to talk about the show, keep your personal issues to yourself please

GateTrek2004
October 4th, 2008, 09:30 AM
I only saw the first Hour of the episode, i fell asleep around 10 becuase i was sooo tired, but from the first hour, it was FANTASTIC! this will become my new fave seires i will watch, collect on dvd. Having not seen any of the webisodes, i was very happy with all the effects from this show,. It shows that a series can do a virutal set and still make the show very realistic! all my praises to AT, RD, CH, EU, and the MANY cast crossovers i saw. I was freaking out every time i saw a character from stargate and bsg! Novak, siler, lorne, Duwalla (sp) and of course halling/todd.- i did not see the last hour so dunno if there were any more!

Sp!der
October 4th, 2008, 10:31 AM
it was good..... i like the butler :)
...and christopher heyderahl(?) is an awesome actor, i hope we see more of him. u have to check out some youtube video of him h.p.lovecraft out of mind or smth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2xpFj1CH3k

...the main actor reminds me of daniel jackson somehow, sad that he could not play in sanctuary, well that would have been awesome... but anyway...good start for a show, i like the daughter of tapping :) :sam:

naamiaiset
October 4th, 2008, 10:43 AM
It was a bit too slow paced in the beginning, but overall I like it. Something really stuck out to me though: the scene where zimmerman is talking with the "tentacle kid" (alexi?) seemed to drag on forever. :S

Pic
October 4th, 2008, 11:00 AM
As a re-work of the webisodes, I enjoyed this, but I'm ready for new stories in this 'verse.
Minor peeve: Enough with the mood lighting ~ I'd actually like to see the scene. True, this hotel's TV's are archaic, so maybe it'll be better when I'm home ~ I suppose I should be happy they get skiffy here...

Anyway, like some others have said, I like that they're "fleshing out" some of the story with Will & have him coming from a police/FBI background instead of hospital work - it actually makes more sense, IMO.

Sad that we missed David Hewlett, but plenty of other familiar faces (including some new ones... OMG Dee!) I hope we see more of them.

EvenstarSRV
October 4th, 2008, 11:54 AM
The next episode is episode 3
And its about finding the Morrigan

The webisodes ended on a cliffhanger after they found the Morrigan.
They find the Morrigan, they remember who they are, then Cryptkeepers assault the Sanctuary and everyone is taken out with the Morrigan free, thats how it ended. Cliffhanger

Reading back over my post I don't think I explained myself well. My point was that since Folding Man (104) is the episode following Fata Morgana (103), I think it's unlikely that the Morrigan storyline will end in a cliffhanger like it did in the webisodes.

If Fata Morgana did end in a cliffhanger, then part of the next episode will be taken up resolving that storyline, which would then interfere with the storyline line in Folding Man, which from the synopsis I read doesn't seem to involve the Morrigan at all.

But who knows, we'll all find out next week what ends up happening. :)


my theory about 'the others' is this

in the webbies helen once mentions to ashley 'there are rules.....' thus suggesting that some governing body MAKES the rules on how to deal with the various abnormals. I think 'the others' or 'the five' are this or in league with this governing body. there have to be rules else, well the whole world would know that all these monsters are real. And i think the goal of the various sanctuaries is to protect the abnormals by keeping their existence something that is easy to deny.

i think helen and ashley and their employees work under the auspices of someone else.

I'm leaning more toward The Five being the governing body that sets the rules, especially with Ashley's line of "If you want to work with us you have to play by our rules."

I don't really see Magnus as someone who'd let other people tell her what she can or can't do, I think she sets those rules for herself.


my bet about druitt and helen's blood

whatever happened to give her longevity, she came up with the idea to use it to help him. so she'd give him regular injections of her blood to 'fix' the damage caused by him jumping.

I think it was explained, every time he jumped, little parts of himself were left behind, or it poked holes in his brain or something, thus the more he jumped, the more unstable he got. he COULD cure himself by simply not using his power. but he can't. He's addicted to using his power, he can't live as a 'normal', he has to live jumping, so he self-destructs.

and helen helped him, then, i'm guessing, realized that he was probably just using her. likely so that he could jump into the past, kill women, jump back, and have the best of both worlds.

so she ran from him/kicked him out. likely to protect herself and ashley. or likely changed her mind when she got preggers.

john has been looking for her for years.

her past and her choices are coming back to haunt her.

I think helen is going to be far from a 'lily white pure and always right heroine', i think she's going to be very flawed. i think she's been doing what she thinks and feels is 'right' and doesn't quite care if it's really the best choice overall.

I think, more than once, she's going to have to face the fallout from her decisions. and pay the price for her beliefs. like is it fair to keep sentient creatures locked up? especially when all they want to do is kill? or who determines that someone is 'too dangerous' to be out? what if she chooses wrongly? what if she falsely imprisons someone? did some of her patients really come of their own free will? how does she help them? is she helping to try and let themfit in or just to make her corner of the world safe knowing that they'll live and die within her walls?

the questions and the not black and white/right and wrong is what makes it so interesting.

I like your ideas about Helen's blood and Druitt's condition. It makes me wonder if Helen's blood is what has given all of The Five their longevity. I think the line Druitt sang was something like "...immortal all the holy Five." And Helen seemed to have a lot of her purified blood on hand, as if it's something she's relatively used to doing.

I also agree with Helen being a very flawed heroine. With her long history of working so independently with most likely very few people challenging her authority, she probably needs an outside perspective like Will to make her sometimes question the 'rightness' of her decisions. I really enjoyed the tension in the final scene between Will and Helen about her not keeping things from him if he's going to work for her. After so many years Helen is probably so used to guarding her many secrets that it must be difficult for her to be completely honest and open with anyone.

I'd like to see Will confront Helen at some point about keeping the extremely dangerous creatures, like the one that apparently killed his mother. "Sanctuary for all" may not be an empty motto, but you have to wonder if she hasn't taken the idea too far in some cases.

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 12:09 PM
i agree. and maybe helen is one of the five and is one that sets the rules

but i also have to wonder if - as she sets them - if she finds them inconvenient, she passes them on and does what she feels needs to be done. and if no one ever finds out....eh, no harm, no foul ;)

i'm not saying that she's bad or evil, just that she bends them as she needs and doesn't let something like 'it's against the rules' totally get in her way

and i agree about will as well. helen is used to being surrounded with biggy, ashley, henry....people that follow her orders. maybe what she needs is someone to challenge her and make her think. to keep her 'in line' by not always doing what she says.

Jumper_One
October 4th, 2008, 12:31 PM
I just rewatched it and gotta say it was ok, definitely much better than the webisodes. Will reminded me of Mulder, the way he examined the room and explained his findings. it was great to see Kavan Smith reprise his role as the detective, where were David Hewlett and Peter DeLuise? :P also I was surprised to see Dan Shea as one of the cops/maintenance workers. anyway this was a solid season premiere and I'm looking forward to the next ep!

EDIT: forgot to mention the creature that attacked Ashley reminded me of a Gorn :P

s72450
October 4th, 2008, 02:43 PM
I was really impressed by the premiere episode and thought they worked out alot of the things that didn't work in the webisodes.

Amanda looked awesome with her natural hair instead of a wig and I noticed that she toned down the accent so it really worked for me.

The CGI I had my doubts about, but honestly there were times when I couldn't even tell it was CGI, beautifully done!

I'm really happy with this series, can't wait for more!

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 05:49 PM
review time now! :p :D


i'm going to start with the cons. :o

*there were 'moments' where i could see the special effects, like funny blurring on someone's face or background image. but this was minor and few.

*i thought the actress that played the up-to-date prostitute killed by john wasn't very good. in fact, oy! :p i was going to say some of the prob was the dialog, but no, it was her. sorry actress. :p

*in the scene where the gang rescued ashley from the monster thinger; i didn't care for the look of it. the monster itself looked weird or fake, but i felt the actors were really trying to work around not really seeing what they were supposed to be seeing.

*the scene where ash and helen are in her office and john suddenly pops up. it's when he grabs ash and is facing helen, i felt the editing was off or something. suddenly helen looked upset, and it needed more getting there, you know? so i felt it was the editing.

*it needed more helen.


okay, now the pros.

everything else! :p

*ashley was more likeable. and toned down.

*i enjoyed seeing will's back story fleshed out more. it was almost too much it some ways, but it was still good to see it, and it made more sense for why he'd want to join this group and leave his other life behind.

*i loved the changes to john's story. chris is a very good actor and is going to make this character even more enthralling.

*i liked henry's convos with helen. while she's very prim and proper, he's totally in the now and it was fun to see helen having to deal with that.

*did i mention i'm glad they toned ashley down? :p

*i liked the helen-will scene where they're on the sanctuary roof. the effects were great, but the soul of the moment is what i loved. you felt more of helen's melancholy.

*the last scene with helen and will was very nice too. i liked the feel of it.


my number one fave thing, though, was helen. okay, that's easy to figure out, since amanda's my fave actress. :p

i liked the new concept of helen's blood being important. but i wonder *why* her blood is important...

and just what did she do to john? and when he started crumbling(?) before disappearing, what exactly did he say to helen?

the helen-john storyline is my fave part of this series so far. not only is john her weakness, but just the idea of him being jack the ripper is *very* interesting to me. amanda and chris work very well off one another. i can't say i ship then together, but i find the concept of them totally great.


i think the premier was very good, but i can't say great. maybe trimming some of will's intro stuff would have made it better for me.

but, i think most show premiers are like this, finding their feet and groove. i expect the next ep to be even smoother.

i'm going to watch this ep again tonight, but this time with my sidekick mom. i know i'm going to enjoy it even more!! :D


ROCK ON SANCTUARY!! :D




sally :D

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 05:55 PM
i like it being fleshed out, will has a good back story, ties with the sanctuary going back 30 years.

oh, i forgot to mention that in my review. i loved that helen helped will as a child! it gave them a deeper connection. (might have been interesting if helen had adopted will then)


i like how kavan's role was expanded,

i didn't really love that part too much. i don't know the actor enough to really enjoy his scenes just because it's him. but that part of the ep is what i thought should have been trimmed.



sally :D

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 05:58 PM
The fact that the Helen's blood ties into John is a cool twist! So does her blood allow him to travel through time (which would mean that she was immortal before when they were engaged) OR did her blood make him crazy... Or something else entirely? I really like that aspect and the many possibilities. :D



the whole blood thinger has really got me excited! like you said, is her blood helping her hurting him? john seemed to think it was going to help him.




sally :D

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 06:04 PM
In the second half, Amanda flipping had me twisted around her finger. Well, first off, my jar LITERALLY dropped when she went to "talk" to the mermaid. From any scene on with her, she was soooooooooooooo hot, but I was also very entranced in the story.

i loved that scene too, especially because it was so unexpected after seeing the webisodes. :p it was very cool to see her doing that, and it gave a wonderful impression that some of her, uh, inmates are, indeed, there because they want to be.



sally :D

BeccaBeez
October 4th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Loved it. So worth the wait.

I enjoyed the expansion on the backstory, and the slight plot changes that made it that little bit richer.

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 06:07 PM
I already have my theories about Helen's blood.

:)

please share! (in spoilers of course :p)

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Most of the webisodes began with a flashback into her life.

i can not wait to see her life's journeys shown to us!!! helen's such an enthralling character. she kind of reminds me of xena, in only that she's lived and seen some dark things that have shaped her to someone very intense.




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majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 06:24 PM
I think helen is going to be far from a 'lily white pure and always right heroine', i think she's going to be very flawed. i think she's been doing what she thinks and feels is 'right' and doesn't quite care if it's really the best choice overall.

I think, more than once, she's going to have to face the fallout from her decisions. and pay the price for her beliefs. (snip)


i LOVE this idea!!

(i would have went into this more, but i'm trying to hurry so i can watch the ep with my mom :p)



sally :D

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 06:30 PM
I really enjoyed the tension in the final scene between Will and Helen about her not keeping things from him if he's going to work for her. After so many years Helen is probably so used to guarding her many secrets that it must be difficult for her to be completely honest and open with anyone.


loved that scene!, with helen saying she just told him her deepest and darkest secret. wonderfully played by amanda! ;) :D

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 06:36 PM
i think helen almost started to collect secrets. not meanly, just kept one to help this person, another to help this, better off if they don't know that, let's not tell them this...and after 157 years, those little white lies have added up.

EvenstarSRV
October 4th, 2008, 07:19 PM
i think helen almost started to collect secrets. not meanly, just kept one to help this person, another to help this, better off if they don't know that, let's not tell them this...and after 157 years, those little white lies have added up.

I agree, and I also think she probably justified it to a certain extent because her longevity allowed her to take such a long term view on situations that most people couldn't.

She can keep a secret from someone knowing that 10 or 20 years down the road it may not be as big a deal anymore to that person, but it'll still be a burden Helen has to bear, and would affect how she interacts with that person.

It makes me wonder if there's ever been someone with whom Helen could have had a completely honest and open relationship and not be hiding something.

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 07:24 PM
mmhm, like maybe a telepath? someone she CAN'T keep a secret from?

EvenstarSRV
October 4th, 2008, 07:40 PM
mmhm, like maybe a telepath? someone she CAN'T keep a secret from?

Oh....that would be very interesting to see. Maybe something for season 2? :)

Skydiver
October 4th, 2008, 07:44 PM
well, there's always the possibility that something from one of the current resident's pasts comes back to 'haunt' them

we can slowly learn backstories of the current residents

JanSam
October 4th, 2008, 08:54 PM
I really enjoyed it! Of course there are things I liked and missed in the webisodes but the episode are just another awesome variation. Really liking Henry's addition (hush Ann). John and Helen scenes do definitely rule. So why did it take me so long to post...well anyone interested in some caps?


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ann_sgcfan
October 4th, 2008, 09:12 PM
I really enjoyed it! Of course there are things I liked and missed in the webisodes but the episode are just another awesome variation. Really liking Henry's addition (hush Ann). John and Helen scenes do definitely rule. So why did it take me so long to post...well anyone interested in some caps?



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"Hey I can't help it if Jan likes my new smart ... alec ways" :D

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 09:22 PM
i enjoyed the premier even more the second time!! :D

and a scene i'd not picked up on the first time was when john had just taken ashley away and helen quickly went to the computer to look at the monitors to find ash... i LOVED how amanda acted this scene!! i was with my mom and as soon as the scene was done, i asked her if i could rewind it to see it again. i'd not noticed it last night, but this time... wow, amanda's voice, that inflection of fear and the look on her face... wonderful!!

and one of the scenes i said had odd or poor editing (john grabbing ashley and helen seeming to be suddenly upset) didn't come off that way the second time. maybe because i was knowing what to expect? i don't know, but i feel differently about it now. :p

sometimes something has to be seen a second time to pick up on things and to feel the full essence of it. watching it again has made me fall for it. and by the time the last scene had finished playing, and i saw just helen's face on the screen... i'm falling in love with this character, just the way i did with sam.

my score's went from 4 to 4.5. yes, the extra half means something. :p

BRING ON MORE SANCTUARY!!

BRING ON MORE HELEN!!!



sally :D

Rocky89
October 4th, 2008, 09:23 PM
OK guys, sorry it took so long for me to reply, I saw the show last night, and
WOW!!!

The opening shot of the city was amazing, it looked so wicked and real, like something out of a PS3 video game :), and as I was watching it, I thought "Oh wow, this is real, it's finally here" :). I of course payed close attention to the opening credits, looking for Amanda's name, and BOOM, and big smile came to my face when her name came up first, it just made it official that yup, she's the star :). For a good part of the start, I was waiting for Helen to show up, and I was a little impatient I thought the shots of the "murder" scene was cool, mostly after Will shows up to check it out, I liked how he was smart about it, and how he didn't miss anything, but a big surprise was seeing Lorne, eh Sky, your man :D. But one of my favorite scenes/moments of the show was when Helen hit Will with her car :D, I'm thinking "She's 157 years-old and she still doesn't know how to drive? I hope Amanda's not like that :P."

Now this is gonna sound a little silly and corny :D, but this is my most favorite moment in the whole series right now, and I'll never forget it, up until last night, I had never really seen Helen before, only Amanda with dark hair, and in promo pics and vids and stuff like that, but when I saw her for the first time, as she looked down at Will, a big smile came to my face again, I was just so happy to see her, and I actually said, out loud too, "It's nice to finally meet you Helen :)" just before she said "This is not how I hoped we'd meet". At that moment I said "It's fine with me" :P. I hope that didn't sound corny :o.

Anyway, the scene outside the hospital with Helen and Will was cool, the scene where they arrive at the Sanctuary was wicked because the look of the sky, stars and moon was really cool. And the shots inside the Sanctuary and of the creatures were really cool. Most of the time I was like "Wow." Every time I saw the "snake" coming out of the boys chest I kept think it looked like a goa'uld :P. I really liked the scene with Helen and Will talking in a room, and I really liked her speech, and I thought "Wow, she's really the star, this is her show" :).

One part that stuck with me was when Helen and Will were on the roof, and she was trying to convince him to join, and she said "It's a massive leap of faith". As soon as she said that, I kept thinking of all the times in interviews Amanda said leaving SG and coming to Sanctuary was a big big leap of faith on her part. I really do think that was definitely a reference to Amanda. Anyone else think so?

The scene with Helen and the Mermaid was really calm and sweet, and how could I forget the scene with Helen and Ashley teaming up to find the boy. The part that scared me a little was when Helen and John were talking, and he started getting mad and yelling, I thought he was gonna hit her :samanime24:, and I'm thinking "oh, don't you dare, don't you dare." And the last scene with her and will was really sweet, and I liked that scene with her and an 8 year-old Will, it was really touching.

The show really met my expectations very nicely and although I wanted more-- a lot more Helen scenes, of course :D. Amanda was amazing, and top-notch, it was a fantastic feeling to see her staring in her own show, being the lead, the boss and I really can't wait for some Helen centred episodes. I'm really looking forward to requiem. I thought the show was amazing, and even though some my not see the pilot episode as super, I thought it was a way to start the series, and best of all, the premiere was only 90 minutes for me, because The Movie Network has no commercials ;). You know, I never saw the pilot episodes of SG-1 or Atlantis when they first came out, and I'm really, very proud and happy that I got to see this shows pilot, Amanda's show :samanime20:.

And as the show went on, I kept looking at Amanda/Helen's hair, it was really cool seeing the new Amanda and Helen for the first time, and I loved it. Oh, and I loved the ending credits, the music was creepy and wicked, and mysterious, and I liked that, and the best part of the ending credits was when I saw Amanda's name under the Executive producer title. *Wink* Can't wait to see the opening credits next week, and more Amanda/Helen screen time. :)

Ok, I've like posted this same thing on 4 threads now :P.

ann_sgcfan
October 4th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Hey Jan you forgot one of my favorites :D
You can thank Jan for the screen shot :D she captured it.

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Rocky89
October 4th, 2008, 09:39 PM
I can't begin to put into words how ****ing amazing that was. I now see what Damian was talking about as to the "CSI" type stuff. Not too much of it, but it's interesting.

Of course, I knew of EVERY part used from the webisodes, and what was added/changed. :p The coroner scenes were completely the same, and I assume the train and subway going buy before Ashley gets off her bike are reused. Ashley with the umbrella was from the webisodes and cut at the end (when John popped in in the alley), and her going into the subway was also from it. The 1888 scene was the same footage, but they changed the lighting and background behind Helen. They also added the part with the close up on John's face below the eyes, and when Helen checks on the prostitute (I think).

In the second half, Amanda flipping had me twisted around her finger. Well, first off, my jar LITERALLY dropped when she went to "talk" to the mermaid. From any scene on with her, she was soooooooooooooo hot, but I was also very entranced in the story.

Something else I'd like to touch on is Helen's attitude. She is indeed VERY blunt. A few examples: the "You got in the way line" :D, from that same scene telling Will that she... *ahem* wants him ;), and at the very end she immediately informs Will of her age right at the end (or before he finishes) his sentence.

I just had to jump up and down when I got up to turn my computer back on after that. I mean... DUDE!

Slightly OT:
So my mother and sister came home exactly when the second airing started. They see the signs I put up and and are standing in the doorway just staring at me. I give them a gesture with my hand/arm to shoo, and then say please. They stand there some more and my mother asks, "what are you watching? A movie?" I say no and then she asks, "oh, you watching your girlfriend?"

I again shoo them. Good lord, if only she knew... CRAP, she's going to have to if I want to go to London.

Oh I know how you feel I'm sitting there, watching the show, taping it of course, and everytime my dad would come by I'd have to swich to the game I was playing on my PS3 :D. I saw half that night, half this morning, thanks to good old dad :).


OH YES! Something that has really caught my attention is the music. I simply can NOT get over it's effect on the mood being portrayed. I just find it so very strong.

The music was wicked ;), mostly in the ending credits.


review time now!


i'm going to start with the cons.

*there were 'moments' where i could see the special effects, like funny blurring on someone's face or background image. but this was minor and few.

*i thought the actress that played the up-to-date prostitute killed by john wasn't very good. in fact, oy! i was going to say some of the prob was the dialog, but no, it was her. sorry actress.

*in the scene where the gang rescued ashley from the monster thinger; i didn't care for the look of it. the monster itself looked weird or fake, but i felt the actors were really trying to work around not really seeing what they were supposed to be seeing.

*the scene where ash and helen are in her office and john suddenly pops up. it's when he grabs ash and is facing helen, i felt the editing was off or something. suddenly helen looked upset, and it needed more getting there, you know? so i felt it was the editing.

*it needed more helen.


okay, now the pros.

everything else!

*ashley was more likeable. and toned down.

*i enjoyed seeing will's back story fleshed out more. it was almost too much it some ways, but it was still good to see it, and it made more sense for why he'd want to join this group and leave his other life behind.

*i loved the changes to john's story. chris is a very good actor and is going to make this character even more enthralling.

*i liked henry's convos with helen. while she's very prim and proper, he's totally in the now and it was fun to see helen having to deal with that.

*did i mention i'm glad they toned ashley down?

*i liked the helen-will scene where they're on the sanctuary roof. the effects were great, but the soul of the moment is what i loved. you felt more of helen's melancholy.

*the last scene with helen and will was very nice too. i liked the feel of it.

my number one fave thing, though, was helen. okay, that's easy to figure out, since amanda's my fave actress.

i liked the new concept of helen's blood being important. but i wonder *why* her blood is important...

and just what did she do to john? and when he started crumbling(?) before disappearing, what exactly did he say to helen?

the helen-john storyline is my fave part of this series so far. not only is john her weakness, but just the idea of him being jack the ripper is *very* interesting to me. amanda and chris work very well off one another. i can't say i ship then together, but i find the concept of them totally great.

i think the premier was very good, but i can't say great. maybe trimming some of will's intro stuff would have made it better for me.

but, i think most show premiers are like this, finding their feet and groove. i expect the next ep to be even smoother.

i'm going to watch this ep again tonight, but this time with my sidekick mom. i know i'm going to enjoy it even more!! :D


ROCK ON SANCTUARY!! :D


sally :D

ROCK ON SANCTUARY

ROCK ON AMANDA/HELEN

ROCK ON SALLY :)


i can not wait to see her life's journeys shown to us!!! helen's such an enthralling character. she kind of reminds me of xena, in only that she's lived and seen some dark things that have shaped her to someone very intense.

sally http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1192/helenmagnusanifj5.gif

Except Amanda/Helen's cooler ;).


loved that scene!, with helen saying she just told him her deepest and darkest secret. wonderfully played by amanda! ;) :D

:indeed: :)


i enjoyed the premier even more the second time!! :D

and a scene i'd not picked up on the first time was when john had just taken ashley away and helen quickly went to the computer to look at the monitors to find ash... i LOVED how amanda acted this scene!! i was with my mom and as soon as the scene was done, i asked her if i could rewind it to see it again. i'd not noticed it last night, but this time... wow, amanda's voice, that inflection of fear and the look on her face... wonderful!!

and one of the scenes i said had odd or poor editing (john grabbing ashley and helen seeming to be suddenly upset) didn't come off that way the second time. maybe because i was knowing what to expect? i don't know, but i feel differently about it now. :p

sometimes something has to be seen a second time to pick up on things and to feel the full essence of it. watching it again has made me fall for it. and by the time the last scene had finished playing, and i saw just helen's face on the screen... i'm falling in love with this character, just the way i did with sam.

my score's went from 4 to 4.5. yes, the extra half means something. :p

BRING ON MORE SANCTUARY!!

BRING ON MORE HELEN!!!


sally :D

More Helen, means more Amanda...hmm... good idea Sally ;).

majorsal
October 4th, 2008, 09:51 PM
One part that stuck with me was when Helen and Will were on the roof, and she was trying to convince him to join, and she said "It's a massive leap of faith". As soon as she said that, I kept thinking of all the times in interviews Amanda said leaving SG and coming to Sanctuary was a big big leap of faith on her part. I really do think that was definitely a reference to Amanda. Anyone else think so?

i felt/picked up on that too, rocky! :p i mean, it might not have been put in there for that reason, but like you, i've read amanda say that in more than one interview, so i felt the connection too. :)


The part that scared me a little was when Helen and John were talking, and he started getting mad and yelling, I thought he was gonna hit her :samanime24:, and I'm thinking "oh, don't you dare, don't you dare."

i don't think i thought john (i keep wanting to type jack :p) was going to hit her, but he scared ME find enough! :p chris is really a very intense actor. (sooo glad he's on the show!)


And the last scene with her and will was really sweet, and I liked that scene with her and an 8 year-old Will, it was really touching.

that last scene was *perfect* for the show! just the right tone and feel... and made me feel 'oh, helen! (((helen)))' just watching it.


The show really met my expectations very nicely and although I wanted more-- a lot more Helen scenes, of course :D. Amanda was amazing, and top-notch, it was a fantastic feeling to see her staring in her own show, being the lead, the boss and I really can't wait for some Helen centred episodes.

is there no doubt that amanda can carry a show? look at how many ptb are trusting her talent and charm to do so! ;)


and the best part of the ending credits was when I saw Amanda's name under the Executive producer title. *Wink* Can't wait to see the opening credits next week, and more Amanda/Helen screen time. :)

i missed seeing amanda's ending credits title! :(


you know, we, as amanda fans, are VERY lucky to have something else to grab on to! i haven't taken that for granted and i don't think i ever will. but if there's such a thing as karma, amanda's definitely on their good side! :p :D





sally :D

pjt
October 5th, 2008, 02:15 AM
This was great!

I kept comparing the pilot to the webisodes, and looking for re-used footages, but mostly I got pulled into the story. The beginning was a bit slow, but it got just great for the end. So far I'm more than happy with it. :D

Chelle DB
October 5th, 2008, 07:07 AM
What's the difference between this thread and the Episode 1 live discussion thread? :confused:
Should we be posting here or there?

Pharaoh Atem
October 5th, 2008, 07:15 AM
very very cool premire

i have high hopes for this series and starting out great

Falcon 304
October 5th, 2008, 07:43 AM
Oh I know how you feel I'm sitting there, watching the show, taping it of course, and everytime my dad would come by I'd have to swich to the game I was playing on my PS3 :D. I saw half that night, half this morning, thanks to good old dad :).

See, I won't ever be able to understand why you do that. I don't give a CRAP what my parents think, I'm watching my flipping shows. :p


The music was wicked ;), mostly in the ending credits.

End... credits...

*eye twitches*

D*** YOU SCIFI!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Falcon 304
October 5th, 2008, 07:50 AM
WAIT!

*goes to hulu*

Oh... m... f... g...

I'm sadden that it has changed, BUT THIS IS SO FRAKKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

bristwentty
October 5th, 2008, 08:33 AM
i have just watch it. Sanctuary i must admit is FREAKING AWSOME!!!!!! i am a huge SG-1 fan but i have to say this Amanda Tapping is Amazing! she also looks really hot. her hair looks good. big change from blond to brown but i love it!!!!

Frostfox
October 5th, 2008, 09:11 AM
I enjoyed that, more please.


Didn't think it was particularly slow paced, which seemed to be the main criticism in the online reviews. But then, British shows are paced differently to US ones.
Amanda's accent was fine, what are they grousing about?
Recruiting Wil in the rain reminded me of Catherine and Daniel in the Stargate film.
Wil reminded me of Daniel quite a lot. This is not a bad thing in my book.
Virtual sets worked very well, now let's get more creative with the monsters, it they are all virtual, they don't need to look like a man in a Gorn suit.
Helen's script was a bit stilted, but I bet that will improve and loosen; I understand what they were aiming at, given the age of the character, but it worked better for Druitt. Tweaking, that's all that's needed.


It's quite derivative, Helen reminds me of our Chuck (Charles Xavier to you) and Wil's Mum's death reminded me of the Wendigo eating the Canadian family in Uncanny X-Men (kills the dad, son runs off, Logan, Kurt and Alpha Flight turn up just as it's about to eat the mother, hijinks ensue, ah, them were the days... 1980 google tells me!). The captured monsters have turned up before too, everything from The Island of Doctor Moreau (HG Wells and even older than me) to Moira MacTaggert penning her son on Muir Island (became Proteus) and the Warpies, created by Jaspers Warp in Captain Britain and looked after by the RCX, in Excalibur - the underground lab reminded me of the RCX base, where various grades of Warpies were kept, including the Serpents, those too deformed and wild to be trained (Excalibur 62/63 from 1992 - beautifully drawn by Alan Davis, and penned by him too, I'd forgotten that).
There are many more examples but I'm trusting the creative team to go off in their own direction with this, which they will given time.

Solid acting, good effects, interesting premise. It's no 'Life on Mars' but then, I wasn't expecting it to be. It could possibly do with a bit more of Torchwood's edge to go with the dark look but I'll be tuning in and I hope lots of others do to.

And the Morrigan, I believe? One of my favourite goddess'. Looking forward to next week

FF :nox:

Skydiver
October 5th, 2008, 09:44 AM
What's the difference between this thread and the Episode 1 live discussion thread? :confused:
Should we be posting here or there?
do we want a 'webby 1-4 vs eps 101/102' thread?

if so we can make one

girlinabox
October 5th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Really enjoyed the premier! Loved it! Amanda was awesome, Ashley was funny, really liked the Ashley/Helen dynamic. Ashley seemed so excited and Helen kept telling her to shut up. lol Really liked what CH did with John. Will was good too.

Frostfox
October 5th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Really enjoyed the premier! Loved it! Amanda was awesome, Ashley was funny, really liked the Ashley/Helen dynamic. Ashley seemed so excited and Helen kept telling her to shut up. lol Really liked what CH did with John. Will was good too.

I enjoyed the scene where Helen grounds Ashley - "No you will not go out arms dealing tonight!"
Mothers and daughters are the same, even if they don't all argue over arms deals. Though my mother is 34 years older than me and that's quite an age difference, the idea of an age gap of over a hundred years... shudder.

FF :nox:

Clem
October 5th, 2008, 01:01 PM
If this series teaches us anything, it's - let Amanda Tapping wear dresses.

Skydiver
October 5th, 2008, 01:11 PM
the truly talented can kick ass in 3 inch heels ;)

Jonzey
October 5th, 2008, 02:42 PM
I really liked it. A few observations:
- Amanda looks great with dark hair, though I noticed her natural accent showing through a few times. Didn't really bother me though.
- Will reminds me of Daniel, at least at the beginning.
- Wasn't the whole thing just one night? How many times did Helen change outfit?
- Christopher Heyerdall (sp?) was really good.
- All the characters seem likable and seem to have a sense of humour (I hate shows where the characters are dead serious all the time)
- Some of the backgrounds looked great, others not so much (the entrance hall to the sanctuary looked a bit fake, thought reminded me of Resident Evil on Gamecube (the remake) so I liked it)
- The music was amazing. The parts where whatsername is trying to shoot Druitt were really atmospheric.

I've finally got a new show to watch this season. Everything else I tried has disappointed me (Fringe).

Edit:
Also, one of the big appeals of this show is that they could have it set anywhere. The rainy, dark city looked great, but I'm hoping we get some more exotic locations further down the line. After all, they're not limited by transportation or budget (as in, it wont cost them more if they make an episode set in Africa or something, cos it's all just CGI)

majorsal
October 5th, 2008, 03:02 PM
okay, my three fave scenes:

*after john takes ashley away to put her in the cage thingie with the monster, helen quickly goes to check the cameras to look for ash. amanda's acting grabbed me in! she's normally cool and collective, but in this scene she's tipping towards panicking. (((amanda)))

*the on the roof scene with helen and will. i loved the effects and you really felt like they were up there. you could even hear the wind blowing. but what i loved the most was the essence of helen's solitude.

*the ending scene with helen and will in her office. again, there was just something about the way this scene was played that spoke of helen's intimate relationship with solitude. she's got ashley, bigfoot, and henry, but she's ultimately very alone.

argh, amanda, how do you do it!?! (((amanda)))



sally :D

majorsal
October 5th, 2008, 03:09 PM
i want helen's accent to be even stronger. just do mary poppins (but on a wee bit of crack). :p

Jonzey
October 5th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Oh yeah, I also like how Helen and Ashley's relationship seemed fairly amicable. I hate the tired, overused cliche of the kid having issues with their parent(s) and rebelling. I know she did leave after being asked not to, but I reckon Helen knew she'd do that anyway.

sbz
October 5th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Okay, two questions

One, I've seen mention a few places of Druitt "singing" a line. Where was that? I don't recall that at all, and I didn't have any difficulty hearing anything he said (which was a huge plus for the whole show - tons of shows nowadays have the background music so high it drowns out the actors!).

Two, I've seen people saying that the thing that killed Will's mother is in the Sanctuary. When were we led to believe that?

Did I miss something??

ann_sgcfan
October 5th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Okay, two questions

One, I've seen mention a few places of Druitt "singing" a line. Where was that? I don't recall that at all, and I didn't have any difficulty hearing anything he said (which was a huge plus for the whole show - tons of shows nowadays have the background music so high it drowns out the actors!).

Two, I've seen people saying that the thing that killed Will's mother is in the Sanctuary. When were we led to believe that?

Did I miss something??

I'll try to answer both at the same time. :D John singing was EDIT: in the warehouse where he and Ashley first meet/fight. That monster appears to have the same teeth as the monster in Will's dream. I agree, no one on the show said they are the same. Will didn't acknowledge it. I have to agree there are similarities in their teeth, but I don't think it's the same monster. I'm sure many dangerous monsters have teeth like that.

EvenstarSRV
October 5th, 2008, 04:50 PM
okay, my three fave scenes:

*after john takes ashley away to put her in the cage thingie with the monster, helen quickly goes to check the cameras to look for ash. amanda's acting grabbed me in! she's normally cool and collective, but in this scene she's tipping towards panicking. (((amanda)))

*the on the roof scene with helen and will. i loved the effects and you really felt like they were up there. you could even hear the wind blowing. but what i loved the most was the essence of helen's solitude.

*the ending scene with helen and will in her office. again, there was just something about the way this scene was played that spoke of helen's intimate relationship with solitude. she's got ashley, bigfoot, and henry, but she's ultimately very alone.

argh, amanda, how do you do it!?! (((amanda)))


Those were my favorite scenes too, though I'd also add the whole confrontation scene with Druitt and Helen. :)


Okay, two questions

One, I've seen mention a few places of Druitt "singing" a line. Where was that? I don't recall that at all, and I didn't have any difficulty hearing anything he said (which was a huge plus for the whole show - tons of shows nowadays have the background music so high it drowns out the actors!).

Two, I've seen people saying that the thing that killed Will's mother is in the Sanctuary. When were we led to believe that?

Did I miss something??

When Silvio was tasering Druitt, he sorta sings a short line that sounded like "...survived. Immortal all the holy Five."

The monster that Will and Bigfoot fight to save Ashley from at the end looked an awful lot like the monster from Will's flashbacks to me. I think we were meant to think it was the same monster, but it wasn't directly identified as such in the episode.

Hope that helps. :)

Rocky89
October 5th, 2008, 05:56 PM
i felt/picked up on that too, rocky! :p i mean, it might not have been put in there for that reason, but like you, i've read amanda say that in more than one interview, so i felt the connection too.

Of course you did, after all, great minds think alike :):P. But yeah you're right, it may not have been put in there for that reason, but I definitely felt the connection between Amanda and Helen the very second she said it ;).


i don't think i thought john (i keep wanting to type jack) was going to hit her, but he scared ME find enough! chris is really a very intense actor. (sooo glad he's on the show!)

Could you imagine if Rick was ever on the show and he had to fight John for Helen? :love:


that last scene was *perfect* for the show! just the right tone and feel... and made me feel 'oh, helen! (((helen)))' just watching it.

My thoughts exactly :)


is there no doubt that amanda can carry a show? look at how many ptb are trusting her talent and charm to do so! ;)

Well said :). I'd trust Amanda with my life, and by this point, after all she's done at work, how she's treated people, I'm sure there's lots of people who love to help her with the show, and who trust her as well ;).


i missed seeing amanda's ending credits title! :(

Next week ;). But you got to see her opening credit. *Hugs*


you know, we, as amanda fans, are VERY lucky to have something else to grab on to! i haven't taken that for granted and i don't think i ever will. but if there's such a thing as karma, amanda's definitely on their good side!


sally :D

VERY well said *thumbs up*. I never, ever take Amanda for granted, I admire, love and cherish every moment of Amanda off, and on screen :):o. She's just always such a joy and privilege to watch and listen to. You're like 300% right about her karma Sally, she's super nice and kind to her fans, she treats them like friends, remembers them when she meets them again, she's great to work with, no "star" attitude, and she always considers herself the least best around. Heck, she even calls fans when their sick, and thanks them on her website. Oh, she said in an interview she hates watching herself on screen, and in another interview, she said she didn't deserve to win for breakdown. She did :). She's definitely on karma's good side, if not, I don't know who is ;),


See, I won't ever be able to understand why you do that. I don't give a CRAP what my parents think, I'm watching my flipping shows.


Falcon , I don't even know why I do that :o.


okay, my three fave scenes:

*after john takes ashley away to put her in the cage thingie with the monster, helen quickly goes to check the cameras to look for ash. amanda's acting grabbed me in! she's normally cool and collective, but in this scene she's tipping towards panicking. (((amanda)))

Agreed, it was cool to see Amanda act scared and worried, Sam's always so cool, and calm. Amanda was awesome, as always *wink*.


*the on the roof scene with helen and will. i loved the effects and you really felt like they were up there. you could even hear the wind blowing. but what i loved the most was the essence of helen's solitude.

me too, that moment was like Helen trying to find peace.


*the ending scene with helen and will in her office. again, there was just something about the way this scene was played that spoke of helen's intimate relationship with solitude. she's got ashley, bigfoot, and henry, but she's ultimately very alone.

Yup, as sad as it is, she really is alone :(, she has, and has had a lot of people in her life, but she's outlived them all, and unless something's done, she'll outlive Ashley, Bigfoot, Henry and Will too. I hope her gift/curse will be cured.


argh, amanda, how do you do it!?! (((amanda)))


sally :D

Simple Sally, she's Amanda. :samanime20:

Skydiver
October 5th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Okay, two questions

One, I've seen mention a few places of Druitt "singing" a line. Where was that? I don't recall that at all, and I didn't have any difficulty hearing anything he said (which was a huge plus for the whole show - tons of shows nowadays have the background music so high it drowns out the actors!).

Two, I've seen people saying that the thing that killed Will's mother is in the Sanctuary. When were we led to believe that?

Did I miss something??
the t-rex kinda looking thing is what killed will's mommy

Amalthea
October 5th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I just watched it with my dad and brother and we're all looking forward to more. Only my brother and I had seen the webisodes, so it was kinda fun watching it with a Sanctary newbie. Part way through my dad had figured out that Helen had to be hundreds of years old, which tells me he was thinking about it and therefore enjoyed it.

I also enjoyed it muchly! I love the changes from the webisodes. I am all for more back story, which is great. It was a little wee bit slow as they tried to mix the old with the new, I felt, but they were just setting up all the plot for the next 11 episodes, so it's forgivable. I am definitely looking forward to more.

sbz
October 5th, 2008, 08:08 PM
When Silvio was tasering Druitt, he sorta sings a short line that sounded like "...survived. Immortal all the holy Five."

Ah, now that I knew what I was looking for I played it back a few times. He quite clearly said

"Only the chosen left alive, immortals all the holy five."



The monster that Will and Bigfoot fight to save Ashley from at the end looked an awful lot like the monster from Will's flashbacks to me. I think we were meant to think it was the same monster, but it wasn't directly identified as such in the episode.


I agree, no one said they are the same. Will didn't acknowledge it. I have to agree there are similarities in their teeth, but I don't think it's the same monster. I'm sure many dangerous monsters have teeth like that.

I thought the clearest thing we saw from Will's memories was the image of arms grabbing his ankles and pulling him away/outside. At first I thought it was the "monster" but by the end I had a strong suspicion it was Bigfoot, yanking him out of the house and away from danger.

And if we're going just off the image of teeth in our comparison of the end monster and Will's monster, well, I agree with ann_sgfan, it's not much to go on.


the t-rex kinda looking thing is what killed will's mommy

Do you know that, or are you guessing/inferring? And by t-rex thing are we talking the final monster where Druitt stuck Ashley or that bipedal one from the beginning from South America?

Skydiver
October 5th, 2008, 08:12 PM
i don't thikn it was explicitly stated. but there was a distinct similarity, and will's 'you look familiar' pause when he was rescuing ashley kinda implied it

majorsal
October 5th, 2008, 08:23 PM
a question. when john injected himself with helen's blood, and then starting falling apart (disintegrate?); just before he made himself go, what did he say to helen?



sally :D

sbz
October 5th, 2008, 08:29 PM
The five, the others, they'll come.

sbz
October 5th, 2008, 08:36 PM
i don't thikn it was explicitly stated. but there was a distinct similarity, and will's 'you look familiar' pause when he was rescuing ashley kinda implied it

He definitely had a telling pause but that simply could have been a holy s*** kind of moment like this is really happening etc. There's certainly a similarity in the teeth/snout. But I think the biggest thing that potentially shoots this theory out of the water is the arms. The end creature had serious claws judging by what it did to Ashley. And Will was dragged out of his house by his ankles (if it wasn't Bigfoot) and you get a pretty decent look at the hands - no claws. Plus, it's safe to say he wasn't injured since we later see Magnus just holding him wrapped in a blanket.

I guess, eventually, we'll find out either way.

majorsal
October 5th, 2008, 08:56 PM
The five, the others, they'll come.

thank you. :) i couldn't get one word he said, and neither could mom. :p

EvenstarSRV
October 5th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Ah, now that I knew what I was looking for I played it back a few times. He quite clearly said

"Only the chosen left alive, immortals all the holy five."

Ah, thanks for that, I only remembered the last part. So the Five were chosen, I wonder why or by whom? Hmmm....



I thought the clearest thing we saw from Will's memories was the image of arms grabbing his ankles and pulling him away/outside. At first I thought it was the "monster" but by the end I had a strong suspicion it was Bigfoot, yanking him out of the house and away from danger.

And if we're going just off the image of teeth in our comparison of the end monster and Will's monster, well, I agree with ann_sgfan, it's not much to go on.


I don't have caps, but I thought there was a few shots in Will's flashbacks that showed the face of the monster, with the big teeth, dark eyes and a kinda wispy outline. The monster Will and Bigfoot fought looked a lot like that monster to me, but I'd have to watch the scenes again to be sure. I know when I saw the monster in the cage Druitt put Ashley in, my first thought was 'oh! that's looks like Will's monster!' :o

I think it would also make sense story-wise for it to be the same monster, having Will come face-to-face with the thing he'd recanted seeing until Magnus showed him that he did not imagine it.

tagger
October 6th, 2008, 12:46 AM
As much as I loved it, I did see what some critics have been saying about the pacing being rather slow. They had a lot of stuff to set-up and several storylines to handle, but now that that's done they can hopefully pick up the pace and streamline the storytelling a bit.

I can't wait to see more. :)

Ditto for me. Some slow bits, but all for the sake of setting up more story IMO.

Hard for me to tell how I would feel without the webisode backstory.

Also, it is hard for me to be objective since I want everyone involved to succeed. I want to like the show. :o


I liked it! I think it was a good premiere, and to be honest, much better than I expected for a premiere. I want to know more about the characters. It will probably take a few episodes before Sanctuary hits its stride, but that only makes sense.

So far, so good!

Totally agree! :)


I was very pleased with the premiere tonight. Very nice way to kick off this series, and there were so many familiar faces.:) I can't wait until next week.

I loved that they used so many of the original cast!! If you make it in Hollywood, bring the original risk-takers with you! YAY for loyalty!!

I loved the opening scene - the sunset, then over the city, and into darkness over the Sanctuary. Beautiful!

I also loved the enormity of the Sanctuary - both the interior and exterior shots.

My first thought when I saw how GINORMOUS the Sanctuary was?

How the heck could I clean and decorate that HUGE space. :o

Yes, I have a smaller house for a reason...:)

tagger
October 6th, 2008, 12:51 AM
I liked the blood borne clues on longevity.

I'm betting :the five are college friends who discovered longevity together. I get the longevity is blood borne - centrifuged and all, but still don't know if it is plasma or cell driven. Clues dropped like breadcrumbs. :)

AGateFan
October 6th, 2008, 02:30 AM
I just watched this Sunday night after DVRing it. I really didnt have high expectations for the show, I was expecting a Torchwood type show (yes I know people like Torchwood, just not me). However I was pleasanty suprised and will make a point of watching it live next week.

The show seemed kind of like X-Files when x-files was a good episodic TV show. It also had me thinking of the X-Men. I kept thinking Tappings character was a professor Xaiver type. I thought the bad guy may have been a Magneto "all my mutant brothers shouldnt have to hide but should live free and take it too the annoying normals" type character. I was slightly let down by the JTR outcome but heck thats just one bad guy in a universe that will be brimming with them, I'm sure.

For the characters, I thought Tappings character (Magnus was it... ironic givin I think of her as Xaiver ;:) was fine. She didnt strike me as great or terrible, the higher pitch of the voice seemed forced like she was "trying" to do an accent... but doesnt Tapping actually have an accent? Anyway, I liked the character well enough. The main guy character Will was Daniel Jackson (the cool and likelable version of Daniel Jackson) made over (gosh I wonder which character Tapping preferred), so he immediatly won me over. The girl (no clue what her name is at this point) was BatGirl made over, but thankfully this show was better then that movie. I did expect a Geiko joke with the "butler" dude and it seems like they cut a few minutes introducing the Henry guy but they both seemed likeable too.

Anyway, it was better then my expectations and I look forward to seeing where they go with it.

Chelle DB
October 6th, 2008, 05:14 AM
okay, my three fave scenes:
*after john takes ashley away to put her in the cage thingie with the monster, helen quickly goes to check the cameras to look for ash. amanda's acting grabbed me in! she's normally cool and collective, but in this scene she's tipping towards panicking. (((amanda)))
*the on the roof scene with helen and will. i loved the effects and you really felt like they were up there. you could even hear the wind blowing. but what i loved the most was the essence of helen's solitude.
*the ending scene with helen and will in her office. again, there was just something about the way this scene was played that spoke of helen's intimate relationship with solitude. she's got ashley, bigfoot, and henry, but she's ultimately very alone.
sally :D
That scene where Helen goes in search of Ashley on the security cameras was brilliantly played by Amanda. I'm not sure what she mumbled but it certainly was tense and panicked!
I agree with you about her loneliness. It's more of an intimate loneliness. But, she's not alone because she has Ashley, Henry, bigfoot and now Will...and the mermaid...they share something...a bond if you will. The mermaid knows about John and Helen's fear of him. I hope we see some more of that in future eps. That would have to be one of my fave scenes...the mermaid and Helen communicating telepathically!
Druitt just tickles me!! :D Christopher Heyerdahl plays him superbly! He's evil...more than in the webisodes...and to some degree that's awesome but I do miss his charm...especially towards Ashley...now he's happy to put er in mortal danger.

Ah, now that I knew what I was looking for I played it back a few times. He quite clearly said
"Only the chosen left alive, immortals all the holy five."

I thought the clearest thing we saw from Will's memories was the image of arms grabbing his ankles and pulling him away/outside. At first I thought it was the "monster" but by the end I had a strong suspicion it was Bigfoot, yanking him out of the house and away from danger.
The scene where Helen is holding and comforting a young Will, I thought they were out in the woods. I got the impression that Will and his mum wee camping and that's where the beast got his mum. And was that her we could hear screaming??? That scene is pretty cool...sad and touching and awesome!! :D

So the Five were chosen, I wonder why or by whom?
I was thinking that too. My theory is that Helen may have given immortality to John and that that "ability" combined with his own, created a time bomb!
I suspect that Helen got her curse from someone she treated after she initially treated John but before she got pregnant.
Druitt asked Helen if Ashley ever wondered where her "killer" instinct came from...I wonder if Ashley will be hit with a double whammy from her parents.
I wonder if Ashley is one of the five?

I liked the blood borne clues on longevity.
I'm betting :the five are college friends who discovered longevity together. I get the longevity is blood borne - centrifuged and all, but still don't know if it is plasma or cell driven. Clues dropped like breadcrumbs. :)
Whatever it is...it's in Helen's pure centrifuged blood.
So...why so many vials of blood?? Do they all contain Helen's blood? There were 8 vials...my guess is that they are not all Helen's but then why so many vials?? The mind boggles!!! Yay!! :D

Naomi
October 6th, 2008, 06:44 AM
I don't like the show. I don't dislike the show. The show did not move me enough to experience any emotional extreme, good or bad. Overall, I thought that "Sanctuary for All" was a two hour version of the teaser commercials for the show. Very few bits of info in the episode that weren't mentioned in the commercials.

Helen Magnus seems to have the potential to be an interesting character. Christopher Heyerdahl's character is fascinating. Will, Ashley, and the lab guy, were pretty much caricatures, especially Ashley (I'm pretty, and I can kick butt!) and the lab guy who makes jokes (I'm a lab guy who makes jokes!). The munitions dealer, who had the least amount of screen time, seemed much more interesting. I just did not feel empathy, or sympathy, for the human main characters, monster du jour, or any of the other monsters.

The first introduction of the little boy who was the main monster du jour was him killing a police officer who was trying to help him. So not endearing. Much, much later in the episode, the explanation is that the child cannot control his third arm. A murderous third arm with independent consciousness; anger management issues; and claws. or teeth or, something. The child is basically good, and the third arm is misunderstood. Okay...whatever.

I would probably watch other episodes of Sanctuary, because of my being a fan of Amanda Tapping, rather than anything I saw in the episode.

ann_sgcfan
October 6th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Whatever it is...it's in Helen's pure centrifuged blood.
So...why so many vials of blood?? Do they all contain Helen's blood? There were 8 vials...my guess is that they are not all Helen's but then why so many vials?? The mind boggles!!! Yay!! :D

Helen may have to take "meds" as well due to her gift or curse. Only time will tell :P

Also She may have been preparing for John. She was aware John may have found them, or someone with his ability. The EM field fluctuated indicating someone had tried to get in, the working girl that was killed, the photo of the back of John's head from a security camera. So she may have made extra vials of her blood tainted them knowing that's what he would have want. Just a thought :)

poundpuppy29
October 6th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Hey all I am a Sanctuary newbie did not watch the webisodes and I thought this show was awesome. I liked it better than the premire of Fringe which has grown on me after a few eps but not nearly as intralling as this show is for me.

I really like Helen she is elegant, intelligant and strong.

Will I like too and I see the reason for Daniel comparisons but I think it works.

Ashley seems cool too and loved the villian great villian

sbz
October 6th, 2008, 04:40 PM
That scene where Helen goes in search of Ashley on the security cameras was brilliantly played by Amanda. I'm not sure what she mumbled but it certainly was tense and panicked!

She said "Bloody hell" (and interesting thing, when Druitt first appeared in the office Ashley said bloody hell - I thought it a nice beat because it's indicative of the fact that her mother does have this big influence on her, even if she is very pop-culture "Americanized"). That was my favourite scene too. It was when things really started to pick up and when we finally got past that... veneer Magnus keeps around herself.


The scene where Helen is holding and comforting a young Will, I thought they were out in the woods. I got the impression that Will and his mum were camping and that's where the beast got his mum. And was that her we could hear screaming??? That scene is pretty cool...sad and touching and awesome!! :D!

They were definitely outside once Magnus had him. But it looked like he was dragged out of a bed, not a sleeping bag.


My theory is that Helen may have given immortality to John and that that "ability" combined with his own, created a time bomb!

I thought using his ability damaged his brain and sorta made him crazy and Magnus's blood undid some of that damage thus prolonging his life.


I suspect that Helen got her curse from someone she treated after she initially treated John but before she got pregnant.

I definitely think it was an accident, that she didn't get together with a bunch of people (ie, The Five) and decide to do it. Though, maybe after it happened to her The Five decided they'd like to be immortal too? And maybe she agreed because even then the prospect of being alone forever was scarier than any thought that making them immortal could be a giant mistake.


Whatever it is...it's in Helen's pure centrifuged blood. So...why so many vials of blood?? Do they all contain Helen's blood? There were 8 vials...my guess is that they are not all Helen's but then why so many vials?? The mind boggles!!! Yay!! :D

I thought she had so many ready and waiting becasue she's been actively studying her longevity to try and undo it. I wouldn't think she had it all specifically for Druitt becasue she wasn't really expecting to have to deal with him again. She told Will she'd thougth he was gone for good. But then, the EM shield thingy kinda disproves that she really believed that though I see her as the kind of person who takes precautions "just in case."

Mcfergeson
October 6th, 2008, 05:08 PM
I loved it. I never saw the webcast, but I still enjoyed it a great deal. Tapping was great as Magnus. Very mysterious. This is a great character for her to play now.

I also loved the spunky daughter, and the caveman/bigfoot-type servant that Magnus has working for her. I really liked the dark, gothic tone the series has overall.

Looking forward to seeing more.

EvenstarSRV
October 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I liked the blood borne clues on longevity.

I'm betting :the five are college friends who discovered longevity together. I get the longevity is blood borne - centrifuged and all, but still don't know if it is plasma or cell driven. Clues dropped like breadcrumbs. :)



Whatever it is...it's in Helen's pure centrifuged blood.
So...why so many vials of blood?? Do they all contain Helen's blood? There were 8 vials...my guess is that they are not all Helen's but then why so many vials?? The mind boggles!!! Yay!! :D

My theory on Helen's blood and longevity (fair warning, a bit of biology technobable ahead. :o)
Ever since I saw the spoiler about a Sanctuary character from Helen's past called James Crick, I'm inclined to think that Helen's longevity has some kind of genetic component. Maybe some mutation of a gene in her DNA that results in the production of an enzyme or polymerase that rebuilds the telomeres in her DNA, which I think would slow or halt the aging process. It could be this protein that she centrifuges and purifies to give to the others of The Five, which would then halt or slow their aging, effectively making them immortal.

Of course, this doesn't quite jive with the idea that Helen believes she'll outlive Ashley, since if it's genetic then there's a chance she passed on that mutation to her daughter. Maybe it's a recessive trait that Helen picked up from both her mother and father? Or more likely it's just the biologist in me hoping my theory turns out to be true. :o :p


She said "Bloody hell" (and interesting thing, when Druitt first appeared in the office Ashley said bloody hell - I thought it a nice beat because it's indicative of the fact that her mother does have this big influence on her, even if she is very pop-culture "Americanized").

I must be watching too many British films or something, because I find myself saying 'bloody hell' a lot and I'm quite Americanized. :o


I thought she had so many ready and waiting becasue she's been actively studying her longevity to try and undo it. I wouldn't think she had it all specifically for Druitt becasue she wasn't really expecting to have to deal with him again. She told Will she'd thougth he was gone for good. But then, the EM shield thingy kinda disproves that she really believed that though I see her as the kind of person who takes precautions "just in case."

I agree, I think Helen would take extra precautions even though she thought John was gone for good.

Although, since the EM shield was not in the webisodes, this may be a case, like Will saying he's more afraid of Bigfoot than of Alexi, where the dialog taken from the webisodes doesn't quite translate to the TV series because of the changes made.

Chelle DB
October 6th, 2008, 08:18 PM
I don't like the show. I don't dislike the show. The show did not move me enough to experience any emotional extreme, good or bad. Overall, I thought that "Sanctuary for All" was a two hour version of the teaser commercials for the show. Very few bits of info in the episode that weren't mentioned in the commercials.
I would probably watch other episodes of Sanctuary, because of my being a fan of Amanda Tapping, rather than anything I saw in the episode.
You certainly aren't the only one who feels this way. My only recommendation is to give the following eps a chance to prove it's worth. I loved the premier but that's me...but I suspect that the episodes are only going to get better as they go on. :)

She said "Bloody hell" (and interesting thing, when Druitt first appeared in the office Ashley said bloody hell - I thought it a nice beat because it's indicative of the fact that her mother does have this big influence on her, even if she is very pop-culture "Americanized"). That was my favourite scene too. It was when things really started to pick up and when we finally got past that... veneer Magnus keeps around herself.
That's what I thought...it just wasn't clear enough...that or my ears aren't functioning right!! :D
They were definitely outside once Magnus had him. But it looked like he was dragged out of a bed, not a sleeping bag.
I thought I saw a messed up tent in the background...must go re watch...again! :P

I definitely think it was an accident, that she didn't get together with a bunch of people (ie, The Five) and decide to do it. Though, maybe after it happened to her The Five decided they'd like to be immortal too? And maybe she agreed because even then the prospect of being alone forever was scarier than any thought that making them immortal could be a giant mistake.

Interesting thought...so how long must we wait to find out the truth???

My theory on Helen's blood and longevity (fair warning, a bit of biology technobable ahead. :o)
Ever since I saw the spoiler about a Sanctuary character from Helen's past called James Crick, I'm inclined to think that Helen's longevity has some kind of genetic component. Maybe some mutation of a gene in her DNA that results in the production of an enzyme or polymerase that rebuilds the telomeres in her DNA, which I think would slow or halt the aging process. It could be this protein that she centrifuges and purifies to give to the others of The Five, which would then halt or slow their aging, effectively making them immortal.
Of course, this doesn't quite jive with the idea that Helen believes she'll outlive Ashley, since if it's genetic then there's a chance she passed on that mutation to her daughter. Maybe it's a recessive trait that Helen picked up from both her mother and father? Or more likely it's just the biologist in me hoping my theory turns out to be true. :o :p
I know I read in an interview or article somewhere that Amanda mentioned that they don't know if Ashley has the longevity curse or not...so this leads me to think that it can be either blood based or genetically engineered. I'm leaning away from the theory that she inherited it from one of her parents. I'm leaning more towards the idea that it was through some accident that she got it but nothing malicious. :)
Although, since the EM shield was not in the webisodes, this may be a case, like Will saying he's more afraid of Bigfoot than of Alexi, where the dialog taken from the webisodes doesn't quite translate to the TV series because of the changes made.
I think that sentence lost its strength as we saw how Will was afraid of Bigfoot and why he was afraid, in the webisodes but not in the episodes...so yeah...not such a big impact there. :)

sbz
October 7th, 2008, 03:48 AM
I know I read in an interview or article somewhere that Amanda mentioned that they don't know if Ashley has the longevity curse or not...so this leads me to think that it can be either blood based or genetically engineered. I'm leaning away from the theory that she inherited it from one of her parents. I'm leaning more towards the idea that it was through some accident that she got it but nothing malicious.

I'd lay good odds it's a blood borne "disease" and not genetic. There are plenty of diseases that are transferred through blood/bodily fluids (HIV comes to mind right off the bat). If Magnus ran into a creature that was immortal or even just long lived and ended up getting its blood in her injury, viola, she's got immortality. Then she gets pregnant and there's always a risk of things in the mother's blood being passed on to the baby therefore the question of whether or not Ashley has it.

Skydiver
October 7th, 2008, 05:15 AM
i think there's lots of stuff that can't cross the placental barrier

ForeverSg1
October 7th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Oh yeah, I also like how Helen and Ashley's relationship seemed fairly amicable. I hate the tired, overused cliche of the kid having issues with their parent(s) and rebelling. I know she did leave after being asked not to, but I reckon Helen knew she'd do that anyway.


I actualy enjoyed the fact that the relationship between Helen and Ashley seemed less adversarial in the premiere. In the webisodes, Ashley seemed to have a lot of attitude and issues with her mother and the sanctuary. She seemed almost hateful at times towards the so-called 'ghouls'. So the changes they have made in Ashley were very nice in my opinion. However, I'm wondering how much the relationship between mother and daughter will change now that Ashley realizes how long her mother has been lying to her about her father's death.

Skydiver
October 7th, 2008, 05:43 AM
once she knows. ashley just thinks druitt is your random ghoul right now, doesn't she? albiet someone that mom has history with since she's bound to put 2 and 2 together adn figure out that the shield is there to keep him out

which means that helen fears him, and i don't think helen fears much

i like the idea that 'daddy' will be a running plot thread for a few eps.

sbz
October 7th, 2008, 05:32 PM
i think there's lots of stuff that can't cross the placental barrier

And there's stuff that can, thus the whole not knowing if Ashely's affected.

helenmagnus23
October 8th, 2008, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by ForeverSg1
I actualy enjoyed the fact that the relationship between Helen and Ashley seemed less adversarial in the premiere. In the webisodes, Ashley seemed to have a lot of attitude and issues with her mother and the sanctuary. She seemed almost hateful at times towards the so-called 'ghouls'. So the changes they have made in Ashley were very nice in my opinion. However, I'm wondering how much the relationship between mother and daughter will change now that Ashley realizes how long her mother has been lying to her about her father's death.

I've been woundering that also i wounder if she will react in a similer manner as to the way she did in the webisodes .

Chelle DB
October 8th, 2008, 05:09 AM
I actualy enjoyed the fact that the relationship between Helen and Ashley seemed less adversarial in the premiere. In the webisodes, Ashley seemed to have a lot of attitude and issues with her mother and the sanctuary. She seemed almost hateful at times towards the so-called 'ghouls'. So the changes they have made in Ashley were very nice in my opinion. However, I'm wondering how much the relationship between mother and daughter will change now that Ashley realizes how long her mother has been lying to her about her father's death.
I'm like that Ashley is less "hateful" to the abnormals but I did kinda like a bit of the snarkiness she had in the webisodes.
Do you think that maybe Helen did believe John to be dead and so in a sense wasn't lying to Ashley??

once she knows. ashley just thinks druitt is your random ghoul right now, doesn't she? albiet someone that mom has history with since she's bound to put 2 and 2 together adn figure out that the shield is there to keep him out
which means that helen fears him, and i don't think helen fears much
i like the idea that 'daddy' will be a running plot thread for a few eps.
It's going to be very interesting to see Helen's fears played out.
I hope that the Druitt story arc plays on for a long while...I like Druitt!! And I don't normally like the bad guys...except for Ba'al!!:P

I've been woundering that also i wounder if she will react in a similer manner as to the way she did in the webisodes .
Recklessly?? Yeah...I wonder that too...one can only hope I guess!!

Skydiver
October 8th, 2008, 05:16 AM
helen may have HOPED that druitt was dead....but if she really did think he was dead, why have a shield protecting the sanctuary that he couldn't breach?

my thing is, druitt said he'd been looking for her...people that are part of an organized group that hunt/protect monsters are that hard to find??? they offer a sanctuary that abbys can come to for protection and they're a secret?

that doesn't make much sense. they shouldnt' have been THAT hard to find. unless....unless helen hasn't LIVED all of her 157 years. she lived some of them, then maybe had a friend jump her and ashley forward a decade or three to get 'lost'

Chelle DB
October 8th, 2008, 05:19 AM
that doesn't make much sense. they shouldnt' have been THAT hard to find. unless....unless helen hasn't LIVED all of her 157 years. she lived some of them, then maybe had a friend jump her and ashley forward a decade or three to get 'lost'
Oh wow!! That is an interesting twist...that would be cool...but maybe Druitt just wasn't looking in the right century again!! I love the speculation on where the stories might go to next...cool!!!:D

Falcon 304
October 8th, 2008, 07:11 AM
Yay for reused props! :D

In case you didn't know, the chair that Alexie is put in was the chair that Daniel was in for the SG1 episode "The Shroud."

Something I noticed watching "Bounty" yesterday though (first time seeing it). The gun that Henry has (and gets shot with) was also used by the main bounty hunter dude in Bounty (who was also the runner in the recent Atlantis episode "Tracker," fyi).

Skydiver
October 8th, 2008, 08:10 AM
ah, so a little 'mind if we borrow this' helping :)

ann_sgcfan
October 8th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Watching the scene where Sylvio (weapons guy) is talking to Ashley. He makes a few comments about how much the abnormals like Alexi and John would be worth on the open market. And Ashley says something like no sorry you deal with is you play by our rules. So maybe the sanctuary is also a safe place for abnormals hiding from bounty hunters or people trying to make money by capturing them. And who is paying these people to bring them abnormals? Another foe of Helen's?

Falcon 304
October 8th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Yeah, which I don't mind at all. I also REALLY want to say the hallway got stolen from SG1, they put in a new door, and put a box on the wall. Just, the texture and color of the wall look all too familiar. Or am I just crazy? :P

majorsal
October 8th, 2008, 10:44 PM
i've watched 'sanctuary for all' three times now, and love it more each time! :D

i'm sorry to say that i skipped will's intro (first half hour) and the ashley stuff, but that's mainly because i'm into helen/amanda the most. :p


some things mentioned in the premier are things i hope they eventually show. like:

*how helen met bigfoot. (is he still supposed to be bigfoot?)

*how helen met henry.

*who the five are and how helen got involved.

*how helen became immortal.

*how helen froze an embryo. and where did she store it?

*what helen did before ashley came along.

*was helen's blood different right from the start, or was it messed with?

*when helen answered will in saying she used to be like him; i'd like to see that.

*how helen raised ashley the child.

*john said we're all dying, but does that include helen (and the other immortals)? maybe helen 'is' dying, but incredibly slowly.

*does ashley have her parents gifts/curses.

*where did will live after his mother's passing.

*helen's adventures through time.


i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog. :S




sally :D

RealmOfX
October 9th, 2008, 12:27 AM
Great list you have there!


<snip, snip, snip>
some things mentioned in the premier are things i hope they eventually show. like:

*who the five are and how helen got involved.
*how helen became immortal.
*john said we're all dying, but does that include helen (and the other immortals)? maybe helen 'is' dying, but incredibly slowly.


You know that is something I've been wondering about, the immortality aspect because when the webisodes came out Damian (I think it was him) made a point of saying that Helen was not immortal but long lived. I'll be following this part of the story with great interest.

Oh, btw can we really trust anything Druitt says? Brain damaged insanity and all (or that's what it was in the webisodes).



i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog. :S


:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't do character death either but isn't that a tad extreme??????

Chelle DB
October 9th, 2008, 12:55 AM
i've watched 'sanctuary for all' three times now, and love it more each time! :D
i'm sorry to say that i skipped will's intro (first half hour) and the ashley stuff, but that's mainly because i'm into helen/amanda the most. :p
some things mentioned in the premier are things i hope they eventually show. like:
*how helen met bigfoot. (is he still supposed to be bigfoot?)
*how helen met henry.
*who the five are and how helen got involved.
*how helen became immortal.
*how helen froze an embryo. and where did she store it?
*what helen did before ashley came along.
*was helen's blood different right from the start, or was it messed with?
*when helen answered will in saying she used to be like him; i'd like to see that.
*how helen raised ashley the child.
*john said we're all dying, but does that include helen (and the other immortals)? maybe helen 'is' dying, but incredibly slowly.
*does ashley have her parents gifts/curses.
*where did will live after his mother's passing.
*helen's adventures through time.
i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog. :S
sally :D

Great list you have there!
You know that is something I've been wondering about, the immortality aspect because when the webisodes came out Damian (I think it was him) made a point of saying that Helen was not immortal but long lived. I'll be following this part of the story with great interest.
Oh, btw can we really trust anything Druitt says? Brain damaged insanity and all (or that's what it was in the webisodes).
:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't do character death either but isn't that a tad extreme??????
I love your list too Sally. :D
John saying, we're all dying, to me is just that everyone and everything eventually dies...it's just a matter of when...so I'm thinking that the immortality is just a stretch of long lived...might as well be immortal if you're gonna live for a very very very long time!! Being immortal...does that mean there is no way to die?? Or is it just a way of saying that barring outside influences, you could live forever...but a bullet or having your head removed etc...wouldn't guarantee your continued life? Kinda morbid, ain't it!!:P
Oh and the puking a dog thing...never extreme...not in that circumstance anyways!! :D

stargatefan234
October 9th, 2008, 01:44 AM
I loved it. I never saw the webcast, but I still enjoyed it a great deal. Tapping was great as Magnus. Very mysterious. This is a great character for her to play now.

I also loved the spunky daughter, and the caveman/bigfoot-type servant that Magnus has working for her. I really liked the dark, gothic tone the series has overall.

Looking forward to seeing more.

I never saw the webcasts either and loved the first episode, couldn't get used to Tapping accent though, looking forward to seeing more

jasminaGo
October 9th, 2008, 04:09 AM
I just watched the pilot again, and noticed that when Helen and Will talk at the end about the fact that she was there when his mother died, Helen says "We tried Will, believe me we tried". I wonder who's "we"? We only saw Helen with Will, but I guess she had a partner back then too. Maybe Barney?

EvenstarSRV
October 9th, 2008, 07:15 AM
some things mentioned in the premier are things i hope they eventually show. like:

*how helen met bigfoot. (is he still supposed to be bigfoot?)

*how helen met henry.

*who the five are and how helen got involved.

*how helen became immortal.

*how helen froze an embryo. and where did she store it?

*what helen did before ashley came along.

*was helen's blood different right from the start, or was it messed with?

*when helen answered will in saying she used to be like him; i'd like to see that.

*how helen raised ashley the child.

*john said we're all dying, but does that include helen (and the other immortals)? maybe helen 'is' dying, but incredibly slowly.

*does ashley have her parents gifts/curses.

*where did will live after his mother's passing.

*helen's adventures through time.


i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog. :S


Great list! I'd also love to most of what you've mentioned, though hopefully across oh, 10 seasons? :D

When Helen told Will on the roof that she used to be like him, I thought she was referencing the time when she was first introduced to her father's sanctuary and all the abnormals inside of it. She was in the same position then that Will is in now, confronted by a massive amount of information that calls into question everything she thought she understood about the 'reality' of her world.

Also, as tragic as it would be, I kinda like the idea of the series ending (hopefully years from now) with Helen's death. (quickly ducks to avoid flying objects :o)

I think right now Helen's sees her longevity as more of a gift than curse, because it has allowed her to do her work and probably help guide the course of history in subtle ways. But all of that has to take a toll eventually and the costs of long-life may start outweighing the benefits. I would not like to see her following Druitt's approach, doing anything it takes just to survive without considering the quality of that life.

I'd like to see Helen mentoring Will, Ashley and probably others and creating a group that could essentially take over the running of the sanctuary. I think once she's confident that Ashley will be safe and her work will continue through them, I can see her finding/accepting a cure to her longevity and in doing so accepting death, which would be the inevitable result of that cure.

Falcon 304
October 9th, 2008, 07:46 AM
*how helen met bigfoot. (is he still supposed to be bigfoot?)


Yes, he's listed as such on the official site.

majorsal
October 9th, 2008, 06:26 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't do character death either but isn't that a tad extreme??????

extreme and painful!! :S :p

Skydiver
October 9th, 2008, 06:30 PM
it doesn't need to end with helen's death...just her knowledge that she CAN die. her 'quest' would be complete

although does it strike anyone as odd that we're talking about the show's final episode when we've only seen 2 of the first 12????

majorsal
October 9th, 2008, 06:32 PM
John saying, we're all dying, to me is just that everyone and everything eventually dies...it's just a matter of when...so I'm thinking that the immortality is just a stretch of long lived...might as well be immortal if you're gonna live for a very very very long time!! Being immortal...does that mean there is no way to die?? Or is it just a way of saying that barring outside influences, you could live forever...but a bullet or having your head removed etc...wouldn't guarantee your continued life? Kinda morbid, ain't it!!:P


john did say to helen that he couldn't threaten her (which is part of the reason he chose ashley), so was he saying that helen couldn't die, even if she were horribly/normally fatally injured?

~worries about potential dog puking~



sally :D

majorsal
October 9th, 2008, 06:41 PM
it doesn't need to end with helen's death...just her knowledge that she CAN die. her 'quest' would be complete

good! *whew and :D*


although does it strike anyone as odd that we're talking about the show's final episode when we've only seen 2 of the first 12????

naw, it's just me and my obsession with them not pulling a xena. (i haven't watched an ep of that show since their series finale) :S :danielanime08:

the show's just ripe for that type of emotional sacrifice... oh gawd, i better not give them ideas!! :samanime24: :jack_new_anime05: :danielanime07:




sally :D

Skydiver
October 9th, 2008, 06:47 PM
the last scene of the series coudl be an old helen, standing back in the shadows, as two younger people take over her job...and as the 'boss' instructs his/her new employee, helen simply turns on her heel and slowly walks into the shadows, the sound of her heels clicking on the floor fading away as the camera zooms past her to the two new folks in her lab

majorsal
October 9th, 2008, 06:59 PM
the last scene of the series coudl be an old helen, standing back in the shadows, as two younger people take over her job...and as the 'boss' instructs his/her new employee, helen simply turns on her heel and slowly walks into the shadows, the sound of her heels clicking on the floor fading away as the camera zooms past her to the two new folks in her lab

wow, sky, that was great! :D sad, but great. but GREAT that helen LIVES!!

:prioranime07: back, spawn of death! http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1192/helenmagnusanifj5.gif

EvenstarSRV
October 9th, 2008, 07:09 PM
the last scene of the series coudl be an old helen, standing back in the shadows, as two younger people take over her job...and as the 'boss' instructs his/her new employee, helen simply turns on her heel and slowly walks into the shadows, the sound of her heels clicking on the floor fading away as the camera zooms past her to the two new folks in her lab

Very nice. :)

You're right, it doesn't necessarily have to end with Helen's death, but I would like it to end with her being cured of her longevity.

It is a little strange we're talking about the series finale when we've only just seen the premiere, isn't it. :cool:

Skydiver
October 9th, 2008, 07:18 PM
very strange

of course, a few years from now - knock wood - we could revisit this thread and see who predicted it right

suse
October 9th, 2008, 08:23 PM
I just watched the pilot again, and noticed that when Helen and Will talk at the end about the fact that she was there when his mother died, Helen says "We tried Will, believe me we tried". I wonder who's "we"? We only saw Helen with Will, but I guess she had a partner back then too. Maybe Barney?


I'm not sure we can trust that everything from the webisodes will be reused. I'm sure she had one though.

suse

Rocky89
October 9th, 2008, 09:10 PM
i've watched 'sanctuary for all' three times now, and love it more each time!

i'm sorry to say that i skipped will's intro (first half hour) and the ashley stuff, but that's mainly because i'm into helen/amanda the most.


some things mentioned in the premier are things i hope they eventually show. like:

*how helen met bigfoot. (is he still supposed to be bigfoot?)

*how helen met henry.

*who the five are and how helen got involved.

*how helen became immortal.

*how helen froze an embryo. and where did she store it?

*what helen did before ashley came along.

*was helen's blood different right from the start, or was it messed with?

*when helen answered will in saying she used to be like him; i'd like to see that.

*how helen raised ashley the child.

*john said we're all dying, but does that include helen (and the other immortals)? maybe helen 'is' dying, but incredibly slowly.

*does ashley have her parents gifts/curses.

*where did will live after his mother's passing.

*helen's adventures through time.


i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog.

Great list Sally :). And I agree with you 200% about the bolded part, I couldn't handle it either, I felt a little like that when Sam "died" in TLM, and when she got removed as base commander :(. HELEN MUST LIVE!!! ;).


sally :D


extreme and painful!! :S :p


john did say to helen that he couldn't threaten her (which is part of the reason he chose ashley), so was he saying that helen couldn't die, even if she were horribly/normally fatally injured?

~worries about potential dog puking~


sally :D

*Hands Sally a barf bag*, not that she'll need it :D.


good! *whew and :D*

naw, it's just me and my obsession with them not pulling a xena. (i haven't watched an ep of that show since their series finale) :S :danielanime08:

the show's just ripe for that type of emotional sacrifice... oh gawd, i better not give them ideas!! :samanime24: :jack_new_anime05: :danielanime07:


sally :D

Don't worry hon, it'll be alright ;).


wow, sky, that was great! :D sad, but great. but GREAT that helen LIVES!!

:prioranime07: back, spawn of death! http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1192/helenmagnusanifj5.gif

*Carter comes in to help Helen fight off the bad guy*

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/user30322_pic9007_1221878056copy.jpg

Chelle DB
October 9th, 2008, 10:45 PM
it doesn't need to end with helen's death...just her knowledge that she CAN die. her 'quest' would be complete
although does it strike anyone as odd that we're talking about the show's final episode when we've only seen 2 of the first 12????
Hehe...yeah...that is kinda odd!!
I do agree that just by acknowledging that she can die, is a great way to end it if they ever need to end it...which I really don't like to think about the end of the series as we've only just begun and I'm hoping for at least 5 seasons...that would be wicked!!:D

john did say to helen that he couldn't threaten her (which is part of the reason he chose ashley), so was he saying that helen couldn't die, even if she were horribly/normally fatally injured?
~worries about potential dog puking~
sally :D
Oooh...I missed that...bummer...will have to go re re-watch...any excuse of course!! :P

RealmOfX
October 10th, 2008, 04:35 AM
john did say to helen that he couldn't threaten her (which is part of the reason he chose ashley), so was he saying that helen couldn't die, even if she were horribly/normally fatally injured?

~worries about potential dog puking~



sally :D

Ah yes BUT Helen also told Ashley that Druitt was coming to kill them both. Now, was that true or was it just something Helen said to try and get Ashley to do what she was told???

These are part of the reasons that I'm really curious about the "immortality" thread. Damian and the writing crew are too good to make mistakes like this so I'm thinking they are leaving deliberate hints that won't be resolved until later in the season.

:D my kinda show :D

Chelle DB
October 10th, 2008, 06:07 AM
Ah yes BUT Helen also told Ashley that Druitt was coming to kill them both. Now, was that true or was it just something Helen said to try and get Ashley to do what she was told???

These are part of the reasons that I'm really curious about the "immortality" thread. Damian and the writing crew are too good to make mistakes like this so I'm thinking they are leaving deliberate hints that won't be resolved until later in the season.

:D my kinda show :D
Yeah!! It's totally cool! I love the speculation on what will happen next...this is fun!!!:D

Rachel500
October 10th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Having realised that ITV4 took the decision to split the two-hour premiere into two episodes, I briefly wondered whether I should wait and see the second part before reviewing but I decided I might as well go ahead anyway, so...

I didn’t particularly set out with the intention of watching Sanctuary. I’m not a fan of the monster side of fantasy and the fine line it walks between fantasy and horror. Buffy and Angel may have won me over with wit but from everything I’d read and heard about Sanctuary, it didn’t appeal despite the Stargate alumni involved with the production and its ground-breaking approach to distribution. While it existed only in its web format, it was easy for me to avoid as my home computer and internet set-up has nowhere near the sophistication needed to download episodes. But, given the show’s migration to a TV series, I determined that perhaps I should give it a chance. The result: I wouldn’t claim to be a fan yet, but I am perhaps intrigued enough to keep watching.

The show’s set-up seems relatively simplistic in the initial pilot: a young forensic psychiatrist, whose perceptive skills are mostly ridiculed by the police department he works for, is approached to join a monster-hunting mother and daughter team who provide a sanctuary for all ‘abnormals’ usually shunned by a society that would prefer to ignore and dismiss deformity.

The plot itself is thin and not outstanding or incredibly original beyond the initial premise but it does its job. It also leaves many intriguing elements unexplained: Helen’s story and motivations beyond the pursuit of knowledge is not touched upon; Christopher Heyerdahl’s character remains an unknown, the connection between him and Helen unanswered. Further, Zimmerman’s decision on whether to join or not is left wide open at the end of the hour. Presumably all these things will get picked up in the second part. The open questions do provide enough mystery to draw back the viewer a second time and this is perfectly judged with just enough mystery to intrigue and just enough answers to prevent frustration or the sense that the plot has holes all over it.

Zimmerman and his introduction into the team is the initial focus and Robin Dunne does a good job of playing a tired and frustrated young man who receives little respect for his professional skills or personal opinions. The episode spends a great deal of time focusing on this through Zimmerman’s interaction with Kavan Smith’s cynical and world-weary cop. Both actors do a good job with the scenes which deliver good tension.

Ashley, Helen’s daughter, by comparison gets very little time. For most of the hour, she remains an unknown – a woman tracking the boy without context. Yet the few scenes she is in provide the broad brushes of her characterisation: tough, reckless, a woman who enjoys the hunt and the fight, who is good at what she does. In the ‘patch-up’ scene, Ashley’s enthusiasm and gutsy sass provide a real likeability. She is clearly going to be the brawn to Zimmerman’s brains.

Both young actors are anchored by the nicely judged and professional performance of Stargate veteran, Amanda Tapping. She plays enigmatic well while still providing glimpses into Helen’s fierce intellect, passion and compassion. The visual difference in clothing and looks between Helen and Tapping’s Stargate character help to create a clean break in the mind of the viewer between the two even if glimpses of Sam peek out occasionally when the English accent, which is not perfect, slips here and there. The other Stargate veteran, Heyerdahl, also deserves a shout-out for his short and sweet scenes in this first half. He’s a believable killer yet serves it up on a platter of charm.

The relationships between the characters are drawn fairly broadly: Helen and Will’s teacher-student relationship that may transpire once they stop dancing over Will joining the team, Ashley and Helen’s mother-daughter tension, and a barely hinted at Will and Ashley brawn vs brain dynamic. Again, there are enough hints to intrigue the audience.

The show’s production qualities are not bad either. I find the whole thing a little dark and film noir-esque for my taste but the direction is solid and the sets very believable given the amount that is painted in via computer graphics. The background music enhances and doesn’t detract; the costuming is nicely appropriate for the characters, and the whole feels like a well-produced show.

On the negative side, this first half was slow-paced. There was a lot of mystery and very little action; a lot of standing around and talking, a lot of exposition. It did move along at a fair rate despite this but it needed more action. Perhaps if the monster side of the plot had been beefed up and instead of the boy a different type of monster chosen, something that was a little more threatening and a lot more ‘wow’ then maybe this would have balanced the episode and allowed this monster hunt piece to have provided the va-va-voom.

Additionally, much of the dialogue is very serious with little banter. The ‘monsters.dot.com’ joke was well done and provided some nice levity and there were the beginnings of some nice back and forth between Ashley and Will, and Ashley and Helen (perhaps Ashley as the more gung-ho, action oriented character who is likely to provoke will provide the banter going forward) but overall, there was very little light to alleviate the heaviness.

Ultimately, the first part provides what is needed: an introduction to the show’s premise and main characters, and it does this in a simple but quality way. There is enough to intrigue the viewer into returning but for me the overall idea still doesn’t feel entirely comfortable, there needs to be more action (maybe this will come in the second part) and I hope it lightens up a little both literally and figuratively. Still I find myself intrigued enough to watch the next hour and see where it goes so overall, I would say job done.

Klenotka
October 11th, 2008, 12:43 PM
My advantage is that I didn´t watch the webepisodes. I fell asleep during the third and stopped watching.
They have changed the story and I can forgive them cutting out David Hewlett, cos it helped the story.
I liked this. More than that. Well, when I skip some of the obvious computer effects, I like how is it heading to some longer story - with Will for example because there is obviously more than "you have good insticts and you believe cos your mother was killed by nasty creature" thing. I think there is a possibility that his mother worked with Helen and that Will himself isn´t "normal", he may just doesn´t know yet.

Chris Heyerdahl is awesome- he has a big charisma and incredible voice. I am glad they skipped the scene where he captured Ashley and unzipped her shirt from the webepisode, because it just wasn´t right.

And I love Ryan Robbins, he is cool :D I hope we will see his Henry in every episode. I just don´t understand why he isn´t between main characters :(

All in all, if I can get over the fact that I didn´t like Carter in SG - I can watch Sanctuary because it´s really very good. I like Amanda here, she looks great :)



Is GW forum is extremly slow lately or is it just at me? :(

Skydiver
October 11th, 2008, 12:49 PM
i have to wonder, since paul mcgillian wasn't in the morrigan one, if it's a contractural thing for those two guys. maybe their contract with mgm means that they can't be in other tv shows without permission...thus once the show made it to tv they weren't allowed to be in it?????

just a guess, but while there might have been scheduling issues too, there might also be contractural issues forbidding their presence

RealmOfX
October 11th, 2008, 01:24 PM
i have to wonder, since paul mcgillian wasn't in the morrigan one, if it's a contractural thing for those two guys. maybe their contract with mgm means that they can't be in other tv shows without permission...thus once the show made it to tv they weren't allowed to be in it?????

just a guess, but while there might have been scheduling issues too, there might also be contractural issues forbidding their presence

I'd hazard a guess that it was a scheduling conflict rather than a contractual one, they wouldn't have been in the webbies if it was a contract issue.


I like the TV series but I haven't posted about my thoughts yet because I'm having a hard time not comparing the webisodes to the new TV eps. Both have a lot going for them BUT I think I prefer the webisodes. Maybe after the next episode (1x04) I'll be able to get into a more objective mind and stop doing an automatic comparison in my head when I watch the TV eps.

Skydiver
October 11th, 2008, 01:36 PM
there can be a difference between 'appearing in a webbased show' and 'guest appearance in a broadcast show'

it is very possible that it was simply scheduling, but it could also be a contractual thing, pay thing or budget thing

My only point is, i doubt there's any sort of slight or personal conflict as to why the guys aren't in there, probably just business

EH-T
October 11th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Also, as tragic as it would be, I kinda like the idea of the series ending (hopefully years from now) with Helen's death. (quickly ducks to avoid flying objects :o)

I think right now Helen's sees her longevity as more of a gift than curse, because it has allowed her to do her work and probably help guide the course of history in subtle ways. But all of that has to take a toll eventually and the costs of long-life may start outweighing the benefits. I would not like to see her following Druitt's approach, doing anything it takes just to survive without considering the quality of that life.

I'd like to see Helen mentoring Will, Ashley and probably others and creating a group that could essentially take over the running of the sanctuary. I think once she's confident that Ashley will be safe and her work will continue through them, I can see her finding/accepting a cure to her longevity and in doing so accepting death, which would be the inevitable result of that cure.

Interesting thoughts. I believe Amanda talked in an interview or two about the "curse" part, including outliving your loved ones. I know a lady in her 90s who has outlived all her children. She certainly views this as a curse of her longevity. As Ashley ages I think Helen would view it more and more as a curse.


it doesn't need to end with helen's death...just her knowledge that she CAN die. her 'quest' would be complete

although does it strike anyone as odd that we're talking about the show's final episode when we've only seen 2 of the first 12????

Ya, maybe that is better than Helen's actual death.

Yes, it is odd. :)


the last scene of the series coudl be an old helen, standing back in the shadows, as two younger people take over her job...and as the 'boss' instructs his/her new employee, helen simply turns on her heel and slowly walks into the shadows, the sound of her heels clicking on the floor fading away as the camera zooms past her to the two new folks in her lab

Oooo, look who is doing it now! ;)



*snip*

I may not agree on every point but I always enjoy your thoughful posts.

Falcon 304
October 11th, 2008, 09:57 PM
there can be a difference between 'appearing in a webbased show' and 'guest appearance in a broadcast show'

it is very possible that it was simply scheduling, but it could also be a contractual thing, pay thing or budget thing

My only point is, i doubt there's any sort of slight or personal conflict as to why the guys aren't in there, probably just business

My guess it that DH was shooting Atlantis at the time, and PM wasn't in it because his character's part was cut for the story.

Cagranosalis
October 13th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Having realised that ITV4 took the decision to split the two-hour premiere into two episodes, I briefly wondered whether I should wait and see the second part before reviewing but I decided I might as well go ahead anyway, so...


I almost did exactly the same but when I came on here to read reviews and post I realised I hadn't seen it all when I saw people talking about stuff I'd not seen on screen. I got all spoilered which was a tad frustrating to say the least, no thanks to ITV4. I have to say they did it no favours splitting it over 2 weeks because the first half was quite slow and talky and not terribly interesting really and I wasn't all that impressed last week. However having seen the conclusion to that story this week I have fair changed my mind about that and actually thought it was really good.

I think most of what I wanted to say has been said but I will just add a few comments:

Firstly, I think there's always a danger when an actor has played one character for a long time that you can't separate the actor from the character. However I think AT has done an outstanding job of becoming someone completely different. I didn't see even a hint of Sam Carter in her and I'm not just talking appearance and accent which are very obviously different (and, of course, that helps). Her mannerisms and just the way she moved and carried herself was so completely different that I didn't once find myself comparing the characters. I have to admit I never realised what a good actress she is and feel slightly ashamed about that.

I know there's been debate over AT's accent but, actually, and an English person myself I thought it was ok and, yes, there are people out there that do speak quite corectly as she does. She rolls her Rs a bit (irony, figure etc.) but aside from that it's a pretty credible job and, actually, we can safely assume from information given in the episode that she's been in the U.S. (or around people with American accents given that it's not really clear where this is actually set) for at least 15 to 20 years so you'd expect a little localisation of her language to creep in.

I loved the way the story unfolded and resolved itself and that we got an explanation (of sorts) at the end that both made sense but left plenty of questions unanswered and left the whole thing wide open for a continuing arc (which I have no doubt the Druitt character will turn out to be). It was, however, fairly predictable and I pretty much worked out how John Druitt fitted in to Helen's life from quite early on. The Jack-the-ripper thing was an interesting idea but I have just one nitpick about the historical accuracy of the flahsback. If I heard it right the victim whose throat he slit as Helen shot him (and presumably ended his reign as ripper) was called "Molly". None of Jack The Ripper's victims were known by that name and none of them had only their throat cut without other mutilations. It's entirely possible that the police at the time might have come across the body and assumed that she was just a random victim of a random attack but, historically, almost any girl who died around that time who fit his preferred victim of choice has been atributed / suspected of being his victim and, again, the name Molly never comes up in any of the tons of fact or folklore that surround the ripper and ripper victims. Also, they mention 7 murders when there were 5 confirmed ripper attacks and another 6 investigated as probable (ok, you can tell I've done lots of Jack-The Ripper related research in the past for reasons I won't go into). Anyway, unless Helen hid his victim after he disappeared and this victim was never found... it's all a bit fudgy. If they pick up any more popular myths or historical facts (which it seems likely they might given the tone of the series) then I hope they do so with slightly more care for the facts. It's a very minor nit and didn't affect my overall enjoyment of the episode though.

I am looking forward to next week and staying away from spoilers!

Cags

Matt G
October 14th, 2008, 05:40 AM
Part two just aired over here - what can I say...

1. There were some early scenes that were blatently taken from the webis(saw the first four - thought the fifteen-minute format was too limiting).

2. So Will's Mum got killed by a mutant this time around. Interesting.

3. Is that the last we'll see of John?

4. What the heck is Bigfoot's definition of a "monster". I suppose we'll find out.

Santurary take 2. And action!

Integrabyte
October 14th, 2008, 02:56 PM
I saw the pilot and I cannot make my mind if I like it yet. The filming is very similar to Sin City(one of my faveys so huge pluses for this :P), dark alleys, interesting angles, cool light play and smart panning techniques to hide the CGI. The story sets off with a "goa'uld" , sorry but I had to say it. Whenever I saw that thing it reminded me of SG1 :(. You have a very observant Dr. Zimermann, an outcast for his theories, Daniel Jackson anyone?, who has a very lovely gift to see past the illusion into reality.

Helen is mysterious in the first half of the pilot but as the story unfolds you start to think that she is one of them. Her behaviour led me to believe she was immortal and that she has been with the "monsters" for quite some time. She also gives the impression she knew Will since he was a kid when she runs him over. Her British accent is not that good and she often loses it :(. I hope this will change with time. Why did they give her this accent? Don't get me wrong I prefer it to the American one and I speak British English.

Todd, I mean Druit :P, impressed me. He was well portrayed and Chris should be brought back. Similarly with Helen, the more you get into the story, the more, you realise that he was involved with Helen. I even told my friend that I reckon he is Ashley's father and he did not believe me. Boy, was I right :). He was ruthless to sacrifice his daughter for his wellbeing and I loved this ;). Overall, a good job and his dark character.


Ashley, for the moment, just a cute face going through a teenage phase not listening to her mom. Tisk, tisk, tisk...mommy dearest knows best, ASHLEY!!!! :P :P :P


Music is great. Soothing and works with the sets. I swear it sounds like my 20 Buddha Bar CDS :D.

Looking forward to the next ones, who knows, maybe my next reviews will be more positive ;).

antoa
October 14th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Her British accent is not that good and she often loses it :(. I hope this will change with time. Why did they give her this accent? Don't get me wrong I prefer it to the American one and I speak British English.

The character was born in Victorian England, that's why she has an accent. It's not a pure Victorian English accent because the character is 157 years old and has live around the world. It's been diluted a bit, softened, but she still hangs on to it - for the most part.

I am just wondering why people keep asking why she has an accent. It seems so simple to me.

EvenstarSRV
October 14th, 2008, 09:44 PM
The character was born in Victorian England, that's why she has an accent. It's not a pure Victorian English accent because the character is 157 years old and has live around the world. It's been diluted a bit, softened, but she still hangs on to it - for the most part.

I am just wondering why people keep asking why she has an accent. It seems so simple to me.

I think it may be because in the TV pilot it's only in the last few minutes that they show the flashback to Victorian England, and even then I don't think they label it as taking place in London like they did in the webisodes, though Helen, Druitt, and Molly's accents suggests they are.

So I guess if you missed or didn't follow that part, then Helen having a British accent may seem strange, especially since everyone else in the pilot (except Druitt and the Russians of course) have more American accents.

I think it's pretty simple too, but then I saw the webisodes so I was expecting her to have the accent. :)

Integrabyte
October 15th, 2008, 05:57 AM
The character was born in Victorian England, that's why she has an accent. It's not a pure Victorian English accent because the character is 157 years old and has live around the world. It's been diluted a bit, softened, but she still hangs on to it - for the most part.

I am just wondering why people keep asking why she has an accent. It seems so simple to me.



In my case, I asked because I saw this episode without knowing who is who and which is which. I heard a rumour in the summer that Tapping plays in a new show. That is it. I never followed it. Where do they say that she was born there? Bear in mind...this is the first thing I saw with Sanctuary.

EvenstarSRV
October 15th, 2008, 02:53 PM
In my case, I asked because I saw this episode without knowing who is who and which is which. I heard a rumour in the summer that Tapping plays in a new show. That is it. I never followed it. Where do they say that she was born there? Bear in mind...this is the first thing I saw with Sanctuary.

From what I remember of this episode and Fata Morgana, I don't think they've outright said that Helen was born in England. The most they've shown so far is the flashback at the end of the pilot, which I think viewers are supposed to assume takes place in England because of their accents, and because Will labels Druitt as Jack the Ripper, who did his killings in London.

The webisodes spelled it out pretty clearly that Helen was from Victorian England, and if you read AT's interviews from this past month or so, she almost always describes her character as a doctor from Victorian England, or something like that.

But if you watched the pilot completely unspoiled, then I do see how her accent can be confusing. I've spoiled myself silly about this show, so it was quite straightforward for me. :)

Integrabyte
October 15th, 2008, 03:05 PM
But if you watched the pilot completely unspoiled, then I do see how her accent can be confusing. I've spoiled myself silly about this show, so it was quite straightforward for me. :)



Now you know where I am coming from. Next time don't shoot me beforehand. For me that flashback was additional info regarding her relationship with John. As far as I could tell, she traveled around the world in order to offer her assistance to the ones in need. It did not cross my mind that she was born and lived there before shacking up with John.

EvenstarSRV
October 15th, 2008, 03:40 PM
Now you know where I am coming from. Next time don't shoot me beforehand. For me that flashback was additional info regarding her relationship with John. As far as I could tell, she traveled around the world in order to offer her assistance to the ones in need. It did not cross my mind that she was born and lived there before shacking up with John.

Did I shoot you down before? I don't think I did, but I'm very sorry if it came across that way, that was not my intention at all. :o

I've noticed a lot of Sanctuary reviewers commenting on not understanding why Helen has an English accent, so I've been trying to understand the confusion since it seemed fairly straightforward to me. I've seen the webisodes multiple times, and sometimes I forget that a lot of people watching the show now have never seen them.

So again, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was shooting your comment down, I really did not mean for it to come across that way. :(

Integrabyte
October 16th, 2008, 02:10 AM
People often think I am one of those people who does not sleep at night and I use google to read everything about the next episode of [insert show here]. I don't do that. When I saw all the actors in Sanctuary, I was like **YAY, SGA and BSG reunion :P **. I was pleasantly surprised to see that.


Another thing missing in this Sanctuary episode were the cool guns :P. I loved the gold gun Ashley was using (Demi Moore had two of those in Charlie's Angels :P ) but for some reason I thought killing ghouls needed some cooler weapons :P. Tis good we get a nice weapon in the next episode :P.

Rachel500
October 16th, 2008, 03:21 PM
So, given the second part of the pilot, how did it all stack up?

If the first half was all about starting the introduction to the primary characters, the second is about completing it. There are two focuses: the first, finding out more about Helen (and by extension, Ashley), and the second, Will making his decision.

Will’s plotline shifts from main to sub in the second half. The ending of the storyline with the boy does provide a reason why it was a vulnerable child with a problem chosen to front the first half and not just a big, scary ‘wow’ monster. It provides Will with a chance to show his expertise and for him to start to view ‘monsters’ in a different way – a thread picked up on, expanded through the discussion with Helen around the death of his mother and completed through his reassessment of BigFoot. It’s not a surprise that Will ultimately makes the decision to stay but what is good is the caveats he places on that decision and the sense that he still isn’t certain. Robin Dunne performs well.

The main plot in this second half belongs to Helen as her past is explored. Her relationship with John Druitt (another excellent performance by Christopher Heyerdahl), the truth about Ashley’s birth and her own uniqueness are revealed. Tapping gives a very good performance and here, Helen is fully realised as a character with Sam completely discarded; lonely, dealing with secrets and past mistakes that haunt her, a worried mother and a scared woman. The scenes with her and Will both on the roof and at the end show her vulnerability; the scene with Heyerdahl which is fabulously tense, her strength.

Ashley is also highlighted through the Druitt story: the fact that she is the daughter of two beings with power, her abilities, her toughness. She is slightly relegated to damsel in distress – she is rescued by both Silvio and the Sanctuary boys later, but there is enough seeded to hope that she becomes more later. Certainly the fact that she knows nothing of her heritage promises an interesting tension to the relationship with her mother and potentially Will.

Both Silvio and Henry provide some interesting colour around the three primary characters although both remain firmly in cliché land as tough, gangster-rap type weapons dealer and wisecracking geek. However, both do create some banter and interest in another hour that while upping the action from the first, still has huge swathes that are devoted to talk and exposition. I’m not certain we needed the flashback to London and John’s serial killer past.

The production values of the second half of the pilot remain high and it was nice to see some daylight added to the show by the end. Some of the quality of the CGI did seem to be eroded at times: on the roof scene, in the storage warehouse in the fight between Ashley and Druitt and in the scene with the monster in the cage. At one point in the latter the whole thing got so blurry that I had no idea what was going on.

So, what of the whole piece? Looking at both episodes together they definitely set up the premise of the show, introduce the characters and provide some interesting dynamics that will hopefully be explored. It promises to be less ‘hunt the monster of the week’ and more a character based drama where the characters are involved with hunting monsters. So in many ways the pilot set out to do what it needed.

It definitely needs to get a better balance of exposition to action though. While understandable that there was a lot of information to communicate, there was too much here across both hours. The action element also needs to be clearer – the fight scenes were blurry and jumpy at times, and not so contained to one room, one area in order to get the sense of more motion and drama.

For me, it also still needs to lighten up in tone; Will and Helen seem too serious, too earnest at the moment and the danger is going to be that potentially recurring characters such as Henry and Silvio will become a lot more interesting and liked because they don’t treat the events so heavily.

Overall, it’s a solid accomplished piece. I can’t say I’m hooked or a fan - yet - but I will probably continue watching for the time being to see where it goes. As a pilot it has done its job, and I’m looking forward to seeing how it progresses.

Mousie
October 17th, 2008, 03:28 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned/discussed already but I'd be interested to know if Ashley knows Helen's history, i.e, that she is 157 years old, that she is anyway 'special'?

Integrabyte
October 17th, 2008, 04:46 AM
Obviously she does not know John is her father. I do imagine she is aware that her mom is not normal but I do not think she knows the whole story. Is Helen immortal or the perks of science?

sbz
October 17th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned/discussed already but I'd be interested to know if Ashley knows Helen's history, i.e, that she is 157 years old, that she is anyway 'special'?

I would answer that with a resounding "yes." Why? Many reasons.

Firstly, I don't see Magnus as the type of person who would lie to her daughter about that. She told Ashley about abnormals etc, brought her into that world, why would she lie about herself? Furthermore, she could be brutally truthful about everything else to compensate for the lie about Druitt.

Secondly, more practically, Ashely had to be told in the interests of maintaining their relationship. I figure Ash is about 20 years old, old enough to realize her mother isn't aging (if she didn't notice sooner). Magnus had to tell her because of this.

Third, in the episode Fata Morgana

Ash says "you'd be surprised" in response to Squid who said the Kabal had been around for a lot longer than the Magnus women.

I don't see it as a secret that, practically speaking, could be kept from someone who's as close to Magnus as Ashley is, who lives with her day in and day out.

RealmOfX
October 17th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Is Helen immortal or the perks of science?

This is something that I'm interested in seeing if they keep it the same as in the webisodes because in the webisodes Helen was supposed to not be immortal but long lived and a rather vague remark implied that the longevity could have come about through her work with abnormals. However we'll have to wait and see where they go with it for TV, apparently they explain a lot about Helen in a upcoming episode.

Mousie
October 20th, 2008, 12:04 AM
I would answer that with a resounding "yes." Why? Many reasons.

Firstly, I don't see Magnus as the type of person who would lie to her daughter about that. She told Ashley about abnormals etc, brought her into that world, why would she lie about herself? Furthermore, she could be brutally truthful about everything else to compensate for the lie about Druitt.

Secondly, more practically, Ashely had to be told in the interests of maintaining their relationship. I figure Ash is about 20 years old, old enough to realize her mother isn't aging (if she didn't notice sooner). Magnus had to tell her because of this.

Third, in the episode Fata Morgana

Ash says "you'd be surprised" in response to Squid who said the Kabal had been around for a lot longer than the Magnus women.

I don't see it as a secret that, practically speaking, could be kept from someone who's as close to Magnus as Ashley is, who lives with her day in and day out.

That makes sense, especially re Fata, which is on in the UK tonight!

Integrabyte
October 21st, 2008, 08:49 AM
I always thought KABAL was more and not one :P. Guess I need to see it again :P. Maybe because John says others...:P:P

kes
March 24th, 2009, 03:28 AM
When John appears, in the office, does Ash say "Bloody hell!" or "What the hell?" Sounds "Bloody hell" to me and it would be cooler, cos it something she would've picked up from Magnus. Shame she says crap in the last ep (Revelations pt 2).

EvilSpaceAlien
October 4th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I watched this episode 6 months ago I think, and didn't really pull men in. I decided to give it shot again, and there were some good and some bad. Amanda's supposedly british accent was annoying as hell, but I think I'll be able to ignore it. It didn't pull me in this time either, but I've decided to keep watching to see if it gets better.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 08:56 PM
i was rewatching the entire eppy while I was at work and it was just funy that Magnus hit will with the car... i found that funny.

Teal'c_PI
January 26th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I think this is one of the best pilots I've seen; even better than SGA's Rising. The scene where Helen talks to the mermaid is absolutely wonderful. And to find out from the commentary that Martin Wood fought to keep it against everyone else's wishes...was actually shocking!

Tachyon
February 13th, 2010, 05:16 AM
Just watched the first two episodes. It's a good start. Not brilliant, but not bad or mediocre either. I'll definitely keep on watching. :)

Jacquelyn
April 6th, 2010, 05:22 PM
I can't begin to put into words how ****ing amazing that was. I now see what Damian was talking about as to the "CSI" type stuff. Not too much of it, but it's interesting.

Of course, I knew of EVERY part used from the webisodes, and what was added/changed. :p The coroner scenes were completely the same, and I assume the train and subway going buy before Ashley gets off her bike are reused. Ashley with the umbrella was from the webisodes and cut at the end (when John popped in in the alley), and her going into the subway was also from it. The 1888 scene was the same footage, but they changed the lighting and background behind Helen. They also added the part with the close up on John's face below the eyes, and when Helen checks on the prostitute (I think).

In the second half, Amanda flipping had me twisted around her finger. Well, first off, my jar LITERALLY dropped when she went to "talk" to the mermaid. From any scene on with her, she was soooooooooooooo hot, but I was also very entranced in the story.

Something else I'd like to touch on is Helen's attitude. She is indeed VERY blunt. A few examples: the "You got in the way line" :D, from that same scene telling Will that she... *ahem* wants him ;), and at the very end she immediately informs Will of her age right at the end (or before he finishes) his sentence.

I just had to jump up and down when I got up to turn my computer back on after that. I mean... DUDE! :)

Slightly OT:
So my mother and sister came home exactly when the second airing started. They see the signs I put up and and are standing in the doorway just staring at me. I give them a gesture with my hand/arm to shoo, and then say please. They stand there some more and my mother asks, "what are you watching? A movie?" I say no and then she asks, "oh, you watching your girlfriend?"

I again shoo them. :D Good lord, if only she knew... CRAP, she's going to have to if I want to go to London. :rolleyes:

:lol: Why would she want him? He's like a kid to her. She's 157 years old there. :P

Samantha.Majka
June 4th, 2010, 11:21 AM
Even if this episode was really .. outstretched .. I like it. I think that it was good start for this show. :D

SnowWhite
August 19th, 2010, 02:42 PM
I've a little question on that "Druitt moment" in the end.
Sanctuary-Wiki told me that Helen 'killed' John "clearly only [...] to end his suffering". (because she tells him she's sorry)
My question: is that confirmed somewhere? Because I was under the impression she did it (as well) because he has transformed into pure evil and she has to protect her/the world. I thought she apologizes because he used to be the person she was most fond of.
Just asking because the "Helen Magnus" page there seems a but too fan-interpreted (and *sorry* a bit too unprofessional for a lexicon)
I still don't know Sanctuary too well, so Wikipedia might be right, and I wrong.

JanSam
August 24th, 2010, 06:18 PM
I agree with you SnowWhite; my interpretation was she was sorry she couldn't think of another option and she had to protect herself and others.

LadyGalaxyJ
August 29th, 2010, 09:48 AM
^ I agree with the above.
But we have to remind ourselves that, at that point in the show, Helen thinks she is responsible for what he has become. Also, she's the one who prolonged his life, as well as his suffering. So, she feels responsible, not only for making him suffer longer than he should have, but also, for allowing one of humanity's most dangerous killer to survive beyond his time.

I believe she's sorry for everything she's done in regards to John. And I like to believe that this 'last' sorry (because she thinks she's killing him) is also a way of telling him that she really did care about him, no matter what he became later.

Darkland
September 8th, 2010, 02:39 AM
I can't begin to put into words how ****ing amazing that was. I now see what Damian was talking about as to the "CSI" type stuff. Not too much of it, but it's interesting.

Of course, I knew of EVERY part used from the webisodes, and what was added/changed. :p The coroner scenes were completely the same, and I assume the train and subway going buy before Ashley gets off her bike are reused. Ashley with the umbrella was from the webisodes and cut at the end (when John popped in in the alley), and her going into the subway was also from it. The 1888 scene was the same footage, but they changed the lighting and background behind Helen. They also added the part with the close up on John's face below the eyes, and when Helen checks on the prostitute (I think).

In the second half, Amanda flipping had me twisted around her finger. Well, first off, my jar LITERALLY dropped when she went to "talk" to the mermaid. From any scene on with her, she was soooooooooooooo hot, but I was also very entranced in the story.

Something else I'd like to touch on is Helen's attitude. She is indeed VERY blunt. A few examples: the "You got in the way line" :D, from that same scene telling Will that she... *ahem* wants him ;), and at the very end she immediately informs Will of her age right at the end (or before he finishes) his sentence.

I just had to jump up and down when I got up to turn my computer back on after that. I mean... DUDE! :)

Slightly OT:
So my mother and sister came home exactly when the second airing started. They see the signs I put up and and are standing in the doorway just staring at me. I give them a gesture with my hand/arm to shoo, and then say please. They stand there some more and my mother asks, "what are you watching? A movie?" I say no and then she asks, "oh, you watching your girlfriend?"

I again shoo them. :D Good lord, if only she knew... CRAP, she's going to have to if I want to go to London. :rolleyes:


You took the words right out of my mouth!! I think Helen's bluntness makes her character even more likeable - it makes her more mysterious as well. Although not sure how much myseterious can you get for being 150 years old!!

Seriously watched the 2 hour premiere last night on DVD and it was so cool. What freaked me out was the kid with the squiggly worm thing. (Shrudders) - but it was awesome.

Definitely like the fact that Helen has her daughter along side her with this.

charles582
October 28th, 2010, 01:40 PM
In this episode, magnus said she knew that working in the sanctuary was will's destiny when she saved him as a boy. How would she have known that when he was eight?

JanSam
November 2nd, 2010, 05:46 PM
Perhaps because she knew what happened to him would change his view of the world; he was introduced to the existence of abnormals.

SnowWhite
November 3rd, 2010, 04:46 PM
What stuck me while thinking about Ep1.. are there more people at the Old City Sanctuary?
(more than Helen, Biggie, Henry, Ashley/Kate and Will).. because Biggie can't possibly make the whole building "look nice" and we also see tho other woman (who worked on the bodies) and the guys who brought the two policemen.. who exactly are they??

JanSam
November 3rd, 2010, 06:13 PM
I don't remember how exactly they handled the scene in the series but in the webisodes it was clear that it was the City Morgue so the woman was the Medical Examiner and the guys were the ones who picked up the bodies to make the delivery.

SnowWhite
November 4th, 2010, 09:21 AM
yes.. I got that they're in the City Morgue.. aaahh.. I always assumed that they not only work with Helen, but also for Helen..*facepalm*. If they wärk for the police and Helen's just dropping in so often to transfer some abnormal or abnormal-damaged bodies.. it's all making way more sense now ;)

Still, I wonder if Biggie does all that cleaning in this HUGE place ;)

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 21st, 2010, 07:27 PM
I just got season 1 from amazon and it has the pilot split up into two separate episodes. For those who have season 1 Is it supposed to be like that?

JanSam
November 24th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Yes, they were made as two separate episodes and appear on the DVDs as such. Not all countries got to see Part 1 and 2 on the same day but were a week apart.

Julian
January 25th, 2011, 02:34 PM
^Odd, the Australian DVD just lists it as "Sanctuary for All" with it as one 85 minute episode.

Anyway, my question: How did Helen freeze the embryo??

I always thought it was a bit odd, but it wasn't really until I showed my father (well, made him watch) the episode on the weekend and he went, "because they really had liquid nitrogen in the 1880s,"

Matt G
January 25th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Well Helen is/was probably a smart enough woman so she probably worked out the theoretical properties of it and how to theoretically make it. The only issue then would be technology.

StarSancFar
January 28th, 2011, 01:58 PM
Yay!! just got my sanctuary season 1 dvd's delivered! havent seen series 1 or 2 yet!! Can't wait to watch!!

Elorendil
July 13th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Well, I have finished watching Stargate Universe and am now in search of a new series to watch. I'm currently part way through episode two and I have absolutely no idea what I think of the series so far. I always give it a few episodes before I decide if I like a new series or not, so we shall see!

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 12:36 PM
There was only one grievance I had with the new Sanctuary for All... It introduced Druitt, but also at the same time introduced the concept of Druitt needing Magnus' blood to survive. It's an interesting concept to introduce (because it instantly introduces Magnus' longevity as something communicable-- a different interpretation from how it was presented in the webisodes), but at the same time, they haven't really revisited that or explained it any further.

How often does Druitt need the serum derived from her blood? Is that how the Nigel and James survived so long as well?

I've written a fanfiction to kind of give myself an explanation, but it's not canon and it still kind of bothering me that I don't have a definite concept from the show to work with. You know?

JanSam
July 8th, 2012, 05:18 PM
Re-watching the season Premiere, I still prefer some parts of the webisode version over the Season Premiere of Sanctuary For All.
-The webisode version of Will and how he is introduced to Helen and The Sanctuary. Glad they added the call from Ashley to show how Helen knew where the boy was located.
-the whole police investigation was beyond belief for me. I could shallow the police trying to cover it up, but their rush to convict was just too far fetched for anyone to believe.
-John's reason for finding Helen. I just prefer his looking for his family and his anger with Helen for hiding Ashley from him. His confrontation with Helen was good but seemed anti-climatic compared to the webisode.

I do like John seeking entrance into the Sanctuary by using Ashley to get in.
I just love Henry in the Season Premiere and so glad they added his parts.

I remember being intrigued with the song John sung as Silvio subdued him and then later on when he tells Helen, "The others, will come."

blueray
July 8th, 2012, 07:00 PM
i remember watching the pilot for the first time and getting hooked. and having just rewatched it, i can see why. some things i noticed.

it is interesting to see how the world is open up to will. and how helen hit will with a car lol. also interesting thing i noticed was that biggie doesn't say a word to will until the end of the show, which is his way of showing respect to will.

and its interesting how henry isn't really a main character, but will become one later on. and i am also so glad they added him into the pilot.

fems
July 10th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Okay, onto the pilot for the rewatch (http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/85265-Sanctuary-Rewatch)! It'll be interesting to see the differences with the webisodes since I've watched those for the first time for this rewatch.

I'm already dreading the scenes at the apartment and the police station...

Okay, I enjoy the view we get of Old City in the opening scene. I still think it's weird how the police just breaks open the door. I don't think they're allowed to do that unless the law is different in Old City... Police officers are stupider there too, I take it, from how impatient the man is with a seemingly traumatized child hiding under the bed.

Bad introduction of the Will character in the diner. Oh my, he's so very observant! I don't really care, just makes him look pathetic that he eats there (alone) often enough to recognize when someone else makes the dinner. And really, if it's the chef's night off then who made it? Most diners I know have more than one chef anyway...

I can definitely see why no one takes Will seriously at the bureau or the police department. Instead of sounding interesting and smart he comes across as annoying and a know it all. He may blame Magnus for always keeping things to herself later on but he can be very vague about everything as well. I also don't understand the significance of the 'hidden' comic book, considering it's implied that the boy isn't allowed to leave the room/apartment because of his deformity so someone in the apartment would have bought it for him and thus there's no need to hide it.

I much prefer the introduction of Helen and Will in the webisodes than her running him down with her car (although I can understand the impulse :P), though I guess it's possible it was an accident with her and Ashley following Alexei and him getting in the way. Her line about not hoping this was how they'd meet doesn't make much sense when it's revealed that she was there when Will was a little boy and his mother was attacked by an abnormal (considering that means they've already met).

If the homicide detective and others don't like Will or need his help then why was he paged in the first place? And why was the Russian woman IDing the suspect while he was held down by the police in the hospital? That just makes it clear the police suspect him and makes her biased.

The scenes in the morgue are from the webisodes, aren't they? The lines are similar (or exactly the same, I don't recall) but it's Magnus' hair that looks familiar and wig-like.

I'm not sure which introduction of Druitt I prefer, this one or from the webisodes. I like the reference to his early days when he kills the hooker who gave him 'directions' but at the same time I don't like the idea of the Sanctuary being known on the streets by normals. I like the locket with Helen's picture and how Druitt appears, it makes it more... sinister, knowing he looks dangerous and is looking for her, or at least thinking of her.

Nice introduction with Magnus, one where she remains mysterious and gives us a bit more information about Will and the show's plot. Too bad they didn't keep the part where she gives him the cool business card from the webisodes and had her give him a normal one this time around.

On another note, I wonder why they changed the scene where Will sees the boy and Ashley and Magnus are chasing him (by motorcycle and car respectively) from the webisodes. Not that the bike isn't a cool look on Ashley.

I'm not too sure about the scene at Will's own apartment, with Meg. I guess it is to show us not even his girlfriend believes him and that the whole ending of their relationship is the extra push he needed to call Magnus instead of how he was brought to the Sanctuary. However, Meg says their relationship lasted two years and yet he's only been with the police in Old City for six months after getting fired from the bureau... that either means she moved with him to Old City, got a job as a nurse at the hospital or they were already living in Old City meaning 'the bureau' is nearby...

Nice glimpse of Biggie in the rearview mirror and excellent shot of John arriving at the Sanctuary. However, I was under the impression the EM field would kill teleporting abnormals instead of just spitting them out as we see her.

I like Magnus' outfit here (outside when meeting Will as well with the hat), but I also liked the one in the webisodes. But I think this and most of her other outfits throughout the show is a good look that can be sexy without being too revealing, which could be leftover from her upbringing in the Victorian era. It seems to be truer to herself than what we saw in the webisodes, especially when comparing what we will see about her past in future episodes versus the glimpses of her past from the webisodes.

Is it just me or is Will kinda rude to Magnus, after she has picked him up and is about to show him around the Sanctuary? She's offered him something and he's just being pissy and moody, petulant even.

I like how Ashley took out the two guards to protect them from the boy but at the same time I liked what we saw in the webisodes, with Druitt taking care of the boy and giving him one of the guards...

Magnus' credentials are more elaborate here than in the webbies, or at least what she shares with Will about her specialties. I like Sally better than the other version. I can't recall if Helen actually shared the Sanctuary's purpose with Will (and the viewers) in the webisodes, but I like how she elaborates about her work and the abnormals present. Her view of abnormals and Sanctuary as a whole are much more attractive than what I saw in the webisodes.

I'm glad with how she treated Biggie (who's dressed normal here), more as an equal and the longtime friend he is to her, compared to her behavior in the webisodes to him (and Henry too). Great conversation with Will when they're having tea. I also like how the stuff about 'great doctors' was changed here in its execution.

The introduction of Ashley in the tunnels was better than in the show, in my opinion. Again Will is quite rude with his "who the hell are you?". Glad they took out the bit about Helen having a police scanner (the delivery of that line as well as the fact of having one were odd to me).

Alexei's thing seems better here than in the webisodes and I prefer this scene (with the lines about who Ashley was) too. The scene in the infirmary seems more pleasant as well. Overall, Ashley seems more pleasant. Like how they changed the lines about Silvio and her going there instead of the hot date with Ernest.

I don't get why Will suddenly seems so reluctant to talk to the boy. Why else did he think Magnus offered him a job? I like how they expanded this scene with her basically coaching him and Will talking about Alexei's condition.

Yay, Henry! His introduction here is excellent and I think it's more plausible than what happened in the webisodes, with Magnus and Biggie staying there while Will talks with Alexei. More responsible of them. I like how Henry is being a bit insensitive about the kids in Chernobyl and the dead hooker and how Magnus chided him. Their interaction here is much more friendly and familial than what we saw in the webisodes.

Will's talk with Alexei showed why he's a good addition to the Sanctuary team and Magnus' "Magnificent" makes more sense now that Will has really gotten through to Alexei and the two of them were talking etc. I have to say though that I don't recall Will doing this kind of thing often in future episodes (only the Morrigan and that folding dude come to mind), which is a shame. However, I'm not sure he's actually qualified for that kind of work considering he's a forensic psychiatrist, not a regular one. I think they should have kept the story about him and his occupation from the webisodes, combined with him losing his mother at the hands of an abnormal.

I like how it seems that Henry stole the footage of the surveillance cam considering what he said about the police having no clue and there being no witnesses.

Much prefer Silvio over Ernest (webisodes) and his conversation with Ashley. Also like how he handled being hit by Druitt's weapon and how Ashley responded by pulling him to safety etc.

This is actually the first time I realized what Magnus was truly saying up on the roof of the Sanctuary when Will came looking for her.

WILL
Magnus? Don't do it. You've got your whole life ahead of you.

HELEN
If only you knew.

WILL
Aren't you a little cold?

HELEN
Opinion seems to be divided.

Never noticed before how she referred to her personality while he was talking about the weather. Now I'm also wondering if she just came up there to reflect or if she was also keeping an eye out in case Druitt was around. Or if she needed to reflect because of him.

Enjoyed the fight between Ashley and Druitt. I like how he tested/challenged her to shoot him and she hesitated, unlike him if the roles were reversed. I also like his comment about her manners, in the same way I liked what he said about her in the webisodes. Certainly couldn't be what he'd expected when looking for her. While I enjoyed his anger at Helen keeping the baby from him and that being his motivation to looking for them in the webisodes, I prefer his uncaring and sarcastic side when fighting with Ashley.

I never realized what Druitt was singing when Silvio electrocuted him!

"Only the chosen left alive, immortals all, the holy five."

It fits with what we see later on in the show and how he, unlike Magnus and the others, was unaware of what had happened to Nigel. But it definitely fits with Druitt coming back for Helen's blood and saying the others would come! It reinforces my theory that Nikola is immortal and Helen's gift is longevity, while the others only lived as long as they had because of her blood and that she must have given it to them at least once.

I think I must have missed the part where Henry and Will got introduced. Did they remove it because Will knows who Henry is when he's unconscious.

Gah, how I've missed evil and anguished Druitt! I really like the scene in Magnus' office with him, her and Ashley. I also really liked the part where he abducted Ashley in the webisodes and how that turned out with Helen coming to the rescue, but I also like it here. I wish they'd mixed the two but I guess that's impossible considering they changed his background. I must say I prefer him being able to teleport to timetravel. But I liked how Helen confided in Will that John Druitt was her worst fear in the webbies.

CH and AT gave a terrific performance in her office after he took Ashley away!

I think they forgot the scene from the webisodes when Will and Helen were on their way to meet John (who had Ashley) and she told him his name was Montague John Druitt wasn't in this pilot. I always wondered how Will came up with googling John Druitt before telling Magnus about Jack the Ripper because he hadn't even seen the man, let alone heard his (full) name.

Skydiver
July 10th, 2012, 06:20 PM
With Will and 'the bureau', to use the FBI as a model they have branches all over the place. So you can live in California and work for the bureau, which I think is what they were implying

the morgue scenes were repeats, the only line that changed was the one about 'four more coming', which is how they revealed that alexi's symbiote killed everyone instead of 'it's a bloodbath' They just changed the voice over to remove that

And I agree about the 'lineup'....get tossed out of court in about 30 seconds. An ID with only one person will not stand up in court, in fact a DA will toss it before it gets to court.

I only saw part 1 today, so just to the interrogation of Alexi. But the chairs did change...in the webbie it's a vinyl padded one, in this episode it's 2 wooden ones.

ClassicCouples
July 11th, 2012, 06:35 PM
This review for "Sanctuary For All" is longer than I intended. I didn't do a regular chronological review, but rather focused on Helen, John, and Will as characters. I tried to remember what it was like to watch this for the first time.

Helen Magnus
It is crazy to look back at this episode and think of everything we have learned about Helen Magnus, yet still how much we don't know. We have a very interesting introduction to Helen Magnus. I was little confused by her at first. Her run-in with Will in the alley had me laughing and scratching my head at the same time. It would have been one thing if she didn’t know who he was, but she had been keeping an eye on him since he was eight years old. Everytime I think about it, I get stuck on it.

Right away I loved her. She is bold and confident yet scared and loving. The time has come for her to recruit Will to the Sanctuary Team and she is very bold in her approach. Also, she is confident in his curiosity. When he leaves her at the hospital, there is a knowing look on her face that says, “He’ll be back.” This is whom we are introduced to her as. She is an intelligent, educated woman, who does what she has to do to get the job done. So, when we start to see that wall penetrated by the news that a working woman was stabbed to death in an alley, we start to see this other side of her. I love that her reaction is a slow progression, from when Henry tells her the news, to when she watches the video, up to when she asks Ashley to remain home for the night due to some “fluctuations in the EM shield.” This all builds to the moment when Ashley tells her that they brought in “some superfast psychopathic dude” who had “pretty hot moves for a tall guy” and “had a great accent.” We have seen from the tour that Will was given, that Helen deals with scary abnormals all the time, so when she starts freaking out about this guy, we know that this is not going to end well. Of course, we should have picked up on that already, but you get what I am saying.

Then we have my favorite part in this episode. When I found out that Ashley was her daughter, it added a whole other level to the character. It is the part of her that we can relate to. We aren’t 157 years old, we don’t hunt abnormals, but we do know what it is like to be/have a mother. Once we find out that she had the embryo frozen “until [she] could bare the loneliness no longer” it makes her character more real to us and we now have a connection with her. We care about her. There is so much about her character that we don’t know, but we know that she cares about her family and those she brings into her team.

John Druitt
When John went to teleport into the Sanctuary and was promptly kicked out, the look on his face was priceless. Of course, it is funnier after the fact, when you know that he knew she had it in place for him. Probably the scariest I have see him. We are shown why Helen was so freaked out when she found out that he was in the Sanctuary. When we are first introduced to him in the alley and we see him pull out the locket with a picture of a much different Helen, the fact that there was a relationship there at one point is obvious. Because of the look on his face showed such emotion, I knew that the locket belonged to him. This instantly piqued my interest. He didn’t know where the Sanctuary was, so this was the first time that he had been there. So it would be interesting to know how long she had been at the Old City Sanctuary. I don’t think I really thought of this before.

Will Zimmerman
Seriously!? That was the first thought I had about Will. When he asked the waitress if it was the chef’s night off, because he noticed that the drizzle was ccw rather than cw. I had to laugh! I am totally like that sometimes. I didn’t dislike his character, but I wasn’t instantly drawn to him either. I kind of felt bad for him and sympathized with him. It must be hard going through life not being taken seriously. He is so smart and yet has gained no one’s respect. And when even your girlfriend thinks that “you invite the ridicule” it can’t be good for your self-confidence. I understand why Will doesn’t want to take Helen’s offer. First of all, he thinks she is talking crazy. At least that is what he thinks. But, there is also the fact that despite how much he wants to be taken seriously, it is not something he is familiar with. He seems to have become comfortable in his box, and having someone who doesn’t even know him (from what he knows so far) have that much faith in his abilities can be scary. But after he has been given a little time, and is reminded of how much his life is lacking, the whole idea becomes a possibility.

I am a huge Stargate SG-1 fan, so I can't help but make comparisons between these two shows. Helen is kind of like the Catherine Langford character who took Daniel Jackson from a place where he wasn't understood and brought him to a place where his unique talents were appreciated and needed. Of course, Will Zimmerman is like the Daniel Jackson character. Again, watching this episode and knowing how much their friendship deepens, makes me smile. He thinks she is crazy! His character is a great match for Magnus. He is confident in his skills, but hasn't had anyone who believed in him. I think he is a little overwhelmed with everything that Magnus has shown him, as well as her confidence in him. I love how she wanted to put him right to work!

NumberSix
July 12th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Rewatched part 1 yesterday and part 2 today. Gave me bittersweet feelings to hear Helen and Will say the lines that will be repeated in the S4 finale.

I prefer the "geeky Will" to the one in some of the eps of later seasons.

Reference to monster.com struck me funny.

Helen's card: M.D. D.T.C.X.B -- what do the last 5 letters stand for? Doctor of Teratology, Cryobiology, Xenobiology Biology?????

John says "immortals all the holy 5" -- so what did Griffin die of? Was his cause of death ever revealed?

Impressed by CH's acting more than ever. Druitt was so gentlemanly (when he wanted to be)and yet so menacing and tormented.

blueray
July 12th, 2012, 02:37 PM
i think he died of old age. my guess is he refused to take more of helen's blood. thats the only thing i can think of to be the reason why he and watson lived as long as they did (and john too).

ClassicCouples
July 12th, 2012, 03:00 PM
Helen's card: M.D. D.T.C.X.B -- what do the last 5 letters stand for? Doctor of Teratology, Cryobiology, Xenobiology Biology?????

John says "immortals all the holy 5" -- so what did Griffin die of? Was his cause of death ever revealed?

Impressed by CH's acting more than ever. Druitt was so gentlemanly (when he wanted to be)and yet so menacing and tormented.

Doctor of Teratology, Cryptobiology,Xenobiology - yes! and I am guess you are right about Biology as well.

I believe Griffin died of old age. John was the only one who got Helen's blood. Helen is still alive because that is her gift from the Source Blood. John is alive because Helen gave him her blood. Nikola is a vampire, so he is immortal. Watson was still alive because of the machine he created. Whether Helen ever gave Griffin her blood is unknown, but I have a feeling she never gave him any. I think at the time she was feeling very guilty for having given John her blood and therefore helping a killer live for a very long time.

fems
July 12th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Doctor of Teratology, Cryptobiology,Xenobiology - yes! and I am guess you are right about Biology as well.

I believe Griffin died of old age. John was the only one who got Helen's blood. Helen is still alive because that is her gift from the Source Blood. John is alive because Helen gave him her blood. Nikola is a vampire, so he is immortal. Watson was still alive because of the machine he created. Whether Helen ever gave Griffin her blood is unknown, but I have a feeling she never gave him any. I think at the time she was feeling very guilty for having given John her blood and therefore helping a killer live for a very long time.

She had to have given Griffin and probably even Watson her blood unless the Source Blood had temporarily prolonged slowed their aging considering some of the flashbacks and/or episodes set in the past and their respective appearances.


I know someone here on GW once suggested: Medical Doctor, Doctor of Teratology, Cytology and Xenogeneic Biology, but that doesn’t jibe with what she said in the pilot and xenogeneic biology specializes in immune compatibility and transplants (not something Magnus does a lot).
* M.D = Medicinae Doctor (doctor of medicine)
* Doctor of teratology: Teratology, from the Greek "teratos" meaning "deformity, hideous creature, unknown being." (Sanctuary For All)
* Doctor of cryptozoology (Sanctuary For All)
* Doctor of Xenobiology (Sanctuary For All)
* But what does the B stand for? Biology? That is very broad and I imagine teratology, cryptozoology and xenobiology are specialties within biology.

suse
July 12th, 2012, 06:24 PM
Botony? :P Plants can be abnormal... ;)

Skydiver
July 13th, 2012, 04:53 AM
ah, so the reboot of the webby ;)

intro'd to will in the diner where we learn that either he's very observant or he was a prototype for SHeldon ;)

the scene at the apartment was changed, instead of everyone dying, only 3 do and we have the disturbing occurance of the mother fingering an innocent man to protect the kid. On the other hand, a lineup of one guarantees that the suspect will walk. and catch his name? Vern Kovacs???? little shoutout to amanda's hubby (Alan Kovacs)

Will is now a forensic psychiatrist that was booted from 'the agency'.

john's intro is different with him killing the hooker and the fact that he knows about the sanctuary.

instead of will being kidnapped by biggie he goes voluntarily.

john and alexi's relationship (which was kinda pervy) is gone and a guard survives although Ash beats up the other subway cops.

the sanctuary is less prisony and more refugey. even with helen saying 'it's a refuge not a prison'....yet she does keep some nasty critters in the basement.

Ash's runin with druitt is in spite of Helen trying to keep her in. and we have a first instance of helen's need for secrecy having a price.

Henry is added, but in the beginning he's a cocky but rather submissive employee and less the equal he becomes.

Instead of will being afraid of monsters, he has a totally different back story, and yeah, those that have compared him to Daniel do have a point. the cliched 'visionary that recanted under peer pressure' theme. also we discover that helen was there when his mom died - and that critter is in her shu (I know it reads Shoe on the screen, but Special Housing Unit is SHU...mistake?)

I gotta say helen cuddling 8 year old will kinda creeps me out in the will/helen shipping angle. talk about robbing hte cradle.

we have an intro of the five, but i think they end up differently than they were intro'd because from druitt's words, I envisioned them as a police force or disciplinary group, not clutch of old buddies as they end up being.

biggie and will still come to an understanding, but we do have a more ominous 'there is such a thing as monsters' from biggie.

better than the webbie in some ways, weaker in others. It's lost some of its uniqueness and quirkyness (network suggestions i'm sure), but it's also stabilized a bit. I mean it is creepy for Helen to kidnap future employees.

NumberSix
July 16th, 2012, 03:55 PM
Doctor of Teratology, Cryptobiology,Xenobiology - yes! and I am guess you are right about Biology as well.

I believe Griffin died of old age. John was the only one who got Helen's blood. Helen is still alive because that is her gift from the Source Blood. John is alive because Helen gave him her blood. Nikola is a vampire, so he is immortal. Watson was still alive because of the machine he created. Whether Helen ever gave Griffin her blood is unknown, but I have a feeling she never gave him any. I think at the time she was feeling very guilty for having given John her blood and therefore helping a killer live for a very long time.

I guess it's possible either she refused to give him any, not wanting to prolong his life unnaturally after seeing the consequences of using the blood, or maybe he chose not to accept it because he wanted to live a normal life span (once he married and had a child).


She had to have given Griffin and probably even Watson her blood unless the Source Blood had temporarily prolonged slowed their aging considering some of the flashbacks and/or episodes set in the past and their respective appearances.


I know someone here on GW once suggested: Medical Doctor, Doctor of Teratology, Cytology and Xenogeneic Biology, but that doesn’t jibe with what she said in the pilot and xenogeneic biology specializes in immune compatibility and transplants (not something Magnus does a lot).
* M.D = Medicinae Doctor (doctor of medicine)
* Doctor of teratology: Teratology, from the Greek "teratos" meaning "deformity, hideous creature, unknown being." (Sanctuary For All)
* Doctor of cryptozoology (Sanctuary For All)
* Doctor of Xenobiology (Sanctuary For All)
* But what does the B stand for? Biology? That is very broad and I imagine teratology, cryptozoology and xenobiology are specialties within biology.

Ahh, that's right. Griffin is still young in "Normandy" so he would have had to have had some of Helen's blood at least for a while, or else had his own life prolonged from the injection. Perhaps then after he married and had a family he chose to age along with his wife?

Agree about B standing for "Biology" but I couldn't think of anything else it could stand for.


Botony? :P Plants can be abnormal... ;)

Could be. ;)

Thanks Skydiver for typing up the differences between the webisodes and these eps.

Bonniesrg
February 14th, 2014, 09:17 AM
Doing a re-watch as the showing is airing on tv again here (even though I have the dvd's, but any excuse...) so thought I would post my thoughts about it. As I've seen all episodes already I'll spoiler tag anything referring to future episodes that might ruin surprises for first time watchers.


On a vanity level I prefer Helen's hair dark brown like this, I wasn't too keen on the red streaks from the Webisodes & I miss glasses wearing Will.

Will annoyed me in the beginning of this episode. I know they want to show how super observant Will is (to really drive it home he's referred to as Sherlock not once, but twice in this episode), but was there really a need for him to stop the waitress in the middle of her work to query if the usual cook was off because the balsamic drizzle was counter clockwise instead of clockwise. He told her the food was fine & that the change of direction of the drizzle didn't matter, so leave the poor lady alone to do her job Will. I think they show it much better later at the crime scene where he notices locks on the bedroom door to keep someone in & working out a kid lives there because of the comic book & the fidgety scuff marks on the floor.

Now when Magnus/Bigfoot hit Will with the car (I assume on purpose), how did they know they wouldn't kill him (also terrible practice for recruiting people). I mean has she done this before, or calculated with her brilliant mind how hard she could hit someone of his size/weight etc without killing them. The Hit couldn't of been an accident as the car lights are on & if they had trouble seeing it's pretty reckless of a woman of peace like Helen to go speeding down an alley putting lives in danger.

KAVAN! I like him, so am automatically a fan of Kavannah. I know he's quite dismissive of Will, but I might too if Will kept insisting that I had got everything wrong & that he was right.
On a completely unrelated note the lady cop in the investigation room has the dress sense & hairstyle of Lily Rush from Cold Case.

Ashley chasing the boy into the tunnels. She leaves her bike parked right in the middle of an alley (what, she doesn't expect any other vehicles to come down this alley) & I didn't see her take her keys out of the bike, no risk of theft there then huh.

As soon as John zorts in all tall & leather jacket wearing, creepy vibe straight away. Then when he opens a locket & inside is a picture of Helen, the way he looks at the picture, you know they were intimate at one point. The Working girl to John "English right?"... Really. You deserve what's coming. :P If I'd not seen any future episodes before I would get the feeling that John is not very gentlemanly.

Will's ex Meg let's herself into his apartment with a key. From their talk if seems like she dumped him. Why does she still have a key. When she leaves she hasn't handed him the door key & I didn't see her leave it on the side. GIVE HIM HIS KEY BACK CRAZY WOMAN!

John tries to zort into the Sanctuary, but get's bounced back out. You shall not pass John :P
It seems like this caused him some pain, but he laughs...so not opposed to a bit of pain. ;)

Will to Helen "Next time you're lonely, don't give your card out to strangers on the street". He makes her sound like some lonely spinster cat lady.

Ashley shows she has some moves when beating up the cops, but laughs a little after. Seems like she enjoyed hurting the good guys way to much. A hint of that "Killer instinct" that John mentions?

Helen regarding dangerous abnormals: "Others can't be allowed to roam free". But...
Chuck in future episodes is roaming free & also helps out Henry & Will. Why is he suddenly less dangerous & can mingle with them?

Helen & Will meet up with Ashley, Will finds him straight away...right in front of them in an opened box/crate. Will's observation skills at work, of Ashley is just a lazy searcher.

Ashley mentions previously finding a den of Werewolves & Helen doesn't correct her.
Later Henry say's the proper term is HAP & seems offended by the name werewolf, but other HAP's don't seem to mind. Henry being over sensitive?

Henry's first introduction & Helen seems quite dismissive of him, even before he starts making some insensitive remarks & her finding out about the death of the working woman. Here it seems like Helen has more patience & regard for the abnormals she protects then her hard working staff.

Ashley sneaking out, Henry doesn't seem too worried. Maybe Ashley has done this before. Helen & her secrets putting people in danger.

John & Ashley meet. Ashley pointing the gun in John's face, that smile, seems like she's relishing the thought of the kill. John seems to get annoyed at Ashley's rude, personal comments to him. His line "Time you learned to respect your elders". Makes it seem as if he would like her to look up to him, to maybe like him.

John is zapped with 10,000 volts, but he is playing possum & it hasn't really affected him at all.
In a later episode after it is said that Nikola zaps him, for a short while it takes away his lust for the kill. O.K. Yes, I'm sure Nikola zapped him with way more than 10,000 volts. But wouldn't that still had some kind of minor effect on him?

Now so far Henry has only been seen inside the Sanctuary & as far as we know does not go into the field. So Ashley decides to leave it to Henry to secure the bad guy in the SHU, where the "Worst of the worst" are kept. Very sloppy of Ashley. Of course John easily get's the best of Henry. When Henry tries to warn the others John points the gun at him. He calls him back over by whistling at him & making kissing noises like you would at a pet, a dog.
Foreshadowing?

It amused me when John walked along with Henry with his arm seemingly naturally on Henry's shoulder & Henry looks as uncomfortable as anything.

So we find out for sure at the end of the episode that John is Ashley's father. But it still seems weird in the way John put his face so close to Ashley's hair & then after kisses the back of her head. Creepy.

When Helen tells John that Ashley thinks her fathers dead he really seemed to lose his calm. So it is either important to him to be known by her, or just ego at play.

Just before John zorts out he say's "The a Five, the others will come".
It makes me wonder what they originally had planned for this. Because as it ended up, only one of the Five besides John could be described as dangerous in any way

Will on Helen's age at the end "Teenaged monster hunter, I don't think so". Hadn't Ashley already told him that she & her mother went on a hunt while she was quite young. So how is far from probable to him.

Flashback to John's kill. Quite graphic, but I'm pleased they didn't downplay the kill too much. He is supposed to be Jack the Ripper after all.

Will works out that John is Ashley's father. In my opinion this is the point when Zhelen should tell this to Ashley straight away. A stranger who has only been there for 5 seconds should not have knowledge on your parentage than you.

Will accepts Helen's job offer on the grounds of no secrets.

Most of you know how well this turns out. ;) She get's quite defensive after this & points out that she just shared her deepest darkest secret. Very clever, as she distracted Will & he doesn't notice that she never actually promises him this.