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GateWorld
September 4th, 2008, 08:05 PM
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Daniel Jackson visits the city of Atlantis to research an Ancient scientist who once lived there. The Daedalus welcomes a Wraith ally for a special project.

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Pharaoh Atem
September 26th, 2008, 07:02 PM
holy **** what a episode

new bad guys,todd and daniel all in the same ep

why was this show canceled????

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:03 PM
HOLY SH*T I need some time to think and relax about how awesome that was.

Daniela
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
One of the best episodes ever. Yes, why is Atlantis being cancelled and why could they not have a plot like this earlier in the series?

Rickington
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
OMG.

The Gateroom exploded... I wonder how bad the damage is...

naamiaiset
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
fantastic episode! the only downsight, we have to wait two weeks for part II.

GateMan2000
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Did we find out who the new baddies are? I don't have SciFi :(

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
HOLY SH*T I need some time to think and relax about how awesome that was.


Indeed. And the fact that Todd knew exactly what was going on?!

tombombadil
September 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
HOLY HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't wait for next week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and todd-and-and-and-and the McKay.... the new race!!! and and and THE ENDING EXPLOSION!!!!!!! and subspace f**kery! GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pharaoh Atem
September 26th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Did we find out who the new baddies are? I don't have SciFi :(

yup

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I love how the main response to this episodes is expletives and exclamation points.

kingzing
September 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
OMG!!! What an episode! Wonder who the new aliens are.

GateMan2000
September 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
OK...Foothold, Evil Asgard?

Vala_M
September 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Holy crap! I did not expect any of that to happen!

Vala,

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Personally, I think this episode was a little disappointing. Maybe its just me, but I caught too many errors, and knew exactly what was going to happen before the episode was half way through.

I think I see now why the show was canceled.

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Did we find out who the new baddies are? I don't have SciFi :(No. I was guessing that they were some androids made by Janus, but now I don't think so given the side-effect.

jenks
September 26th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Beamed out by the Apollo? Great episode though, thank **** we only have to wait two weeks, the trailer for the second part looked amazing too.

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Personally, I think this episode was a little disappointing. Maybe its just me, but I caught too many errors, and knew exactly what was going to happen before the episode was half way through.

I think I see now why the show was canceled.

What were the errors? I can admit I love the show too much that sometimes I glance over them.

tombombadil
September 26th, 2008, 07:08 PM
OK...Foothold, Evil Asgard?

the weren't foot hold aliens...i think....and where are you getting asgard from??

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Personally, I think this episode was a little disappointing. Maybe its just me, but I caught too many errors, and knew exactly what was going to happen before the episode was half way through.

I think I see now why the show was canceled.You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

tombombadil
September 26th, 2008, 07:10 PM
i bet that machine was the basis for the gate destroyer....

_Famrir_
September 26th, 2008, 07:11 PM
that was awesome finally an enemy that can actually kill us and bypass ancient tech(:

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:11 PM
You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

There were spoilers a while ago for this episode so I understand part of it but it's his own fault for looking at them. Unless he's smarter than the rest of us and just figured it out somehow.

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:12 PM
that was awesome finally an enemy that can actually kill us and bypass ancient tech(:The Wraith can do that too. Just look at Todd...

Pharaoh Atem
September 26th, 2008, 07:12 PM
The Wraith can do that too. Just look at Todd...

yea but these new bad guys do it in style

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:13 PM
The Wraith can do that too. Just look at Todd...

Well Todd is the exception because he's badass and badass always beats tech.

JeffKnight
September 26th, 2008, 07:14 PM
I mirror the statements. GREAT episode. By far the best of the season so far.

I'm a bit worried by the ending - especially considering how much power that probably drained.

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:15 PM
What were the errors? I can admit I love the show too much that sometimes I glance over them.

1. When the unknown alien ship passed thru the shield, Shepperd said to get the jumpers in the air, right? Now after all the time that passed by, (the aliens jumping in, passing through the many levels of flooring, grabbing Daniel and Rodney, then leaving) there were no jumpers in the air.

2. Every time that Shepperd and his team came up on one of those aliens, they hesitated and waited until the aliens raised the shield for the transporter through the floor, and their own personal shield.

3. When Todd the wraith (I think thats his name) saw that the other hives had exploded, he slid that weird device down his sleeve and started acting like he was getting ready to retaliate, but yet Woolsy and the rest of the bunch stood there and did nothing. All those armed personnel, yet no one acted.

Ok, im done. :cool:

ladyjanus
September 26th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Favorite moments...

Thelook on Ronon's face when he's looking at Rodney watching him and Keller walk away...

DJ on the floor of the hidden laboratory — "Ow"

One of the new bad guys dragging DJ and Rodney both by an arm apiece through the harmonically-hidden door

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Well Todd is the exception because he's badass and badass always beats tech.I don't think he is. He uses technology at his disposal almost as much as the next guy. He is, after all, a very intelligent computer scientist.

stargatefan1966
September 26th, 2008, 07:17 PM
One of the best episodes ever. Yes, why is Atlantis being cancelled and why could they not have a plot like this earlier in the series?
I keep asking myself the same question...why the hell are they cancelling?? I look forward to every new episode with bittersweet anticipation knowing that we are getting that closer to having no new episodes....and my favorite night of TV..Friday...will be no more.

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 07:17 PM
So the new bad guys wear body armor, live on an ice planet, and possibly can't survive our atmosphere, they're the freaking Breen. My guess is they wanted the device for the side effect it had on stargates.

tombombadil
September 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
what was that uber stun stick thing todd used???

The6thRace
September 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
That blast at the end should have left everyone in the gate room blind for life. That much energy contained in that shield would give off a light so bright it would instantly burn the retinas of anyone nearby.

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

I didnt say I knew the devices side-effect, however typical Atlantis scenario's point to some kind of horrendous effect. Seeing as how the typical trailer showed the tower windows being blown out by an explosion, I figured the reaction from the device must blow something up, cause the trailer would have you believe that Todd blew it up.

Mr. Jack
September 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
1. When the unknown alien ship passed thru the shield, Shepperd said to get the jumpers in the air, right? Now after all the time that passed by, (the aliens jumping in, passing through the many levels of flooring, grabbing Daniel and Rodney, then leaving) there were no jumpers in the air.

2. Every time that Shepperd and his team came up on one of those aliens, they hesitated and waited until the aliens raised the shield for the transporter through the floor, and their own personal shield.

3. When Todd the wraith (I think thats his name) saw that the other hives had exploded, he slid that weird device down his sleeve and started acting like he was getting ready to retaliate, but yet Woolsy and the rest of the bunch stood there and did nothing. All those armed personnel, yet no one acted.

Ok, im done. :cool:

1. I believe he said to get Jumpers on stand by and not actually get them in the air.

2. They had no idea who those aliens were and didn't even know if they were hostile. Not the best idea to make first contact with your gun.

3. Hmmm good point, but I'm guessing that they wanted to try to tell Todd "Hey, we didn't betray you!"

Jor El
September 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Biggest Question will be, can we convince Todd that it wasnt us and to help us defeat the new bad guys. The Premiere for the next episode showed the deadelus falling in the atmosphere of a planet, Probably the bad guys planet.
Dont think they the bad guys though, I think Janus set an alarm in the secret lab to alert another secret base that someone activated the atero device and janus created some androids to protect the atero device. Maybe they thought that the device got into the wraiths hands, and since atlantis was supposed to be abandoned they were ordered by janus if the device's tracking device was ever activated that they must retrieve it, and destroy the wraith. I cant believe atlantis lost there gate. Did zalenka and shepherd survive? How much of there zpm was depleted holding back that naquadah plasma gate explosion. I hope the deadelus survives thats an awesome ship. How many gates will be wiped out b4 they shut the device off. Todd was one of the gr8test roles/actors/character of the show, they better not kill him off. Also I agree with whats is face, THIS WAS THE BEST EPISODE EVER. Reminds me of Lost City when we all saw it the first time. or when daniel ascended after the radiation killed him.

Best Episode Ever, Read Spoilers.

Jor El

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I don't think he is. He uses technology at his disposal almost as much as the next guy. He is, after all, a very intelligent computer scientist.

Then Todd is the exception to my own rule as well as my first. This new rule technically negates the other but let's not get into semantics.

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:20 PM
1. When the unknown alien ship passed thru the shield, Shepperd said to get the jumpers in the air, right? Now after all the time that passed by, (the aliens jumping in, passing through the many levels of flooring, grabbing Daniel and Rodney, then leaving) there were no jumpers in the air.

2. Every time that Shepperd and his team came up on one of those aliens, they hesitated and waited until the aliens raised the shield for the transporter through the floor, and their own personal shield.

3. When Todd the wraith (I think thats his name) saw that the other hives had exploded, he slid that weird device down his sleeve and started acting like he was getting ready to retaliate, but yet Woolsy and the rest of the bunch stood there and did nothing. All those armed personnel, yet no one acted.

Ok, im done. :cool:Fair enough, however, those are mere direction faults. The story itself remained intact even though it could've been done with a little more surprise.

Myles
September 26th, 2008, 07:20 PM
So the new bad guys wear body armor, live on an ice planet, and possibly can't survive our atmosphere, they're the freaking Breen. My guess is they wanted the device for the side effect it had on stargates.

You're right! They're totally Breen except they speak English ;)

Also, you might be on to something with them wanting to end gate travel, but I'm not sure what benefit they'd get from it.

jenks
September 26th, 2008, 07:21 PM
1. When the unknown alien ship passed thru the shield, Shepperd said to get the jumpers in the air, right? Now after all the time that passed by, (the aliens jumping in, passing through the many levels of flooring, grabbing Daniel and Rodney, then leaving) there were no jumpers in the air.

IIRC Sheppard wanted the jumpers to intercept it, but by the time they'd have been ready it would have already been inside the shield. They don't want to blow it out of the sky and take half the city with it.


2. Every time that Shepperd and his team came up on one of those aliens, they hesitated and waited until the aliens raised the shield for the transporter through the floor, and their own personal shield.

When do they ever shoot on site? They were waiting to see what it would do.


3. When Todd the wraith (I think thats his name) saw that the other hives had exploded, he slid that weird device down his sleeve and started acting like he was getting ready to retaliate, but yet Woolsy and the rest of the bunch stood there and did nothing. All those armed personnel, yet no one acted.

His hands were behind his back, IIRC.

The6thRace
September 26th, 2008, 07:22 PM
What's going to happen when the SGC activates their gate? They use the gate all the time, and the Iris won't protect them from that kind of explosion.

the fifth man
September 26th, 2008, 07:23 PM
fantastic episode! the only downsight, we have to wait two weeks for part II.

Thanks, I didn't need to be reminded of that.:(

This was one great episode though. Daniel and McKay together were awesome, and these new "bad guys" were something else. I was so hoping the episode would end with revealing who they are, but, the ending we got was something else too. I really hope the next two weeks goes by fast.

Briangate78
September 26th, 2008, 07:23 PM
First Contact

After a decent episode last week we are given this episode. What can I say. One of the best Mid-season eps since "The Storm". The episode had that adventure and mystery feel. I loved how Daniel Jackson was back and trying to figure out secret passages and secret labs. I've always loved that with SG--1. The city of Atlantis is so big it was cool that they found this lab within Atlantis.

The character moments were really good in this ep. I loved the Daniel and Rodney chemistry. It brought two doctors from SG-1 and SGA and brought them together. It was just very well done that chemisty. Later on Sheppard telling Teyla to leave the gateroom. Reminded me of that moment back in "The Seige part 2" when Sheppard looks at Weir while ready to pilot the jumper on a suicide mission.

The episode kept you on the edge of your seat, wanting to know what was going to happen next. I gotta say I was surprised with how Todd turncoat. He thought Atlantis betrayed him, which meant he had no intentions of betraying Atlantis. That was a nice twist in the episode.

As per the new enemy, I really liked them. For two reasons. They have the technology and their identity is still very hidden and a mystery. There is more to them than just these beings in a suit. It sucks this show is cancelling, because I see a lot of opportunity with these new enemies since they are of advanced technology.

This is the episode that gets the A+ rating, and the episode you can watch over and over again.

Jackie
September 26th, 2008, 07:23 PM
Over all it was a good ep. Loved seeing Daniel again. He does play well with McKay. Ah, poor insecure Rodney. What a change. Arrogant to insecure. Hmm, must be the writers forgot he's supposed to be self absorbed.

Anyways, there isn't much of a plot really. Mainly techno-babel and plot devices. The new radce in the series seems pretty blan...Todd is far more interesting.

The security on the Deadelus was ridicules to say the least...but I did like woolsey's charm. (He's a completely;y different character from 2 years ago...huh?)

Poor Zelenka...RIP.

on a scale of 1-10...I give it a 7...mainly for Daniel's appearance and his banter with Mckay.:)

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 07:24 PM
You're right! They're totally Breen except they speak English ;)

Also, you might be on to something with them wanting to end gate travel, but I'm not sure what benefit they'd get from it.

Well having explosive stargates would make wiping out humanity in the galaxy very easy and convenient. Some hapless villager dials an address and suddenly everything within a hundred miles is nice and crispy.

Biokinetica
September 26th, 2008, 07:24 PM
His hands were behind his back, IIRC.To this point in particular, I believe his hands were at his side, slightly hidden behind the 'skirt' of his coat.

Vala_M
September 26th, 2008, 07:25 PM
This episode was totally amazing! The talet of these guys who make the show is beyond incredible!

I always wondered when Daniel would come to Atlantis, in an Atlantis episode, yeah, he was there in "The Pegasus Project" but that was an SG-1 episode, althought it felt like an Atlantis episode with SG-1 in it for most.

Cool intro with McKay complaining about the big meet up every time someone comes to visit.

I never thought we'd hear anything about Janus again, I'm glad we did though. The weird secret lab thing was cool. Reminded me of the secret Wraith lab from "The Gift" and such.

So there were still flood damaged sections of Atlantis? I didn't know the light sconces came out or maybe it was just those. Great that McKay had video of the hallway as it was originally.

Sheppard in command of Atlantis, I was wondering when someone would make him adhere to the rules and not go along on the missions anyway, I do enjoy when he does it though. Woolsey looked worried when Sheppard jokinly replied "No promises!" - funny!

So Ronon's into Keller? Or is that just to irritate McKay?

Interesting harmonic code, I knew Daniel would be able to solve that, at least part of the way. The Daniel-Rodney competition was hillarious! Did Daniel and Rodney ever interact during SG-1? I don't recall that happening. I knew something was up the second that red light started blinking.

Why would they be interested in that plan other than the Wraith reason? It's not like they're at risk as far as we know. At first, I was thinking that they were some kind of Ancients since they had a ship that could penetrate Atlantis's shield. Why did that one that stayed behind's shield collapse or did he let it go? It's good Sheppard and the teams kept firing as I figured that they'd give up once they saw they had a shield as usually shields don't go down from bullets.

The tense-ness and excitement level in this episode for me was incredible! Those aliens in the suits were so weird. What was with them crashing through Atlantis and all the levels? I bet those will be "magically" fixed like everything else that breaks in Atlantis.

The Wraith transport ship entering the Daedaus hangar bay was cool! I didn't think it could fit in there, or is this another case of the size of ship being changed in order to fit?

The Wraith didn't care for Woolsey's speech. As Keller thought, I don't think that Todd wanted the treatment to work either, no doubt, it's probably a status thing for them.

The scene where Zelenka was trying to open up the suits reminded me of "Evolution" when Sam and Jacob were opening up the Kull warrior, although this time had a different outcome. The suit self destructed. I hope that they had more than one of those Ancient medical scanners, they probably do though.

So those aliens are in an Ancient lab. I wasn't expecting that. It didn't occur to me until Daniel was pointing out about their suits that they might be the Asgard in there

The 2 cruisers were destroyed when entering hyperspace. So the Wraith have experienced the Attero device before? Why would Todd have been expecting this? What was with his stun sticks?

I figured it stunned the whole crew but apparently, only the bridge. I find it odd that the Wraith have been suspecting that the Attero device would be turned on again. I hope that they don't eat any of the crew. How many Wraith are they beaming onboard?

The Wraith onboard an Earth, ship, I never thought we'd see the day that happened.

I thought that McKay succeeded in shutting down the Attero device before being stunned, but I guess not.

The idea to enclose the gate in the shield was smart. Why wouldn't the gate shut down? And why does the gate - something the Ancients built have anything in common with Wraith hyperdrives?

I can't believe the Atlantis gate was blown up! How will they get a new one and fix the control room and windows?

That was the biggest holy crap moment in the show for me and then we get "To be continued"

At least it will be only 2 weeks until we see part 2.

Are they going to space out the episodes more? Otherwise, I dobut that they'll last until January.

Totally amazing!

Vala,

Chev's Ron
September 26th, 2008, 07:25 PM
I enjoyed this episode. The only problem is that any suspense there might have been about Sheppard dying from the explosion will never happen because people just don't kill off main characters like that, though perhaps chuck or Zelenka died?.

sae1969
September 26th, 2008, 07:25 PM
What an episode! One scene that really struck me was the conversation between Keller and Todd.

"What would we do?"
"What would we be"

Those are two very frightening questions to answering the question of redefining a person's entire identity!

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:25 PM
1. I believe he said to get Jumpers on stand by and not actually get them in the air.

2. They had no idea who those aliens were and didn't even know if they were hostile. Not the best idea to make first contact with your gun.

3. Hmmm good point, but I'm guessing that they wanted to try to tell Todd "Hey, we didn't betray you!"

He could have said "on stand by". Either way, plenty of time had passed by to at least get them in the air, and once they all started shooting, the order should have been given to open fire.

That might be somewhat true, but then again, they are dealing with a wraith. Not exactly the best person to try and persuade.

GateMan2000
September 26th, 2008, 07:26 PM
You're right! They're totally Breen except they speak English ;)

Also, you might be on to something with them wanting to end gate travel, but I'm not sure what benefit they'd get from it.

Who are the Breen?

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 07:26 PM
What's going to happen when the SGC activates their gate? They use the gate all the time, and the Iris won't protect them from that kind of explosion.

Why would it effect MW stargates? I doubt very much it's going to do much beyond Pegasus.

The6thRace
September 26th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Who are the Breen?

Breen were the helmet wearing baddies in season 7 of DS9, the ones whose energy weapon turned the tide of war back in favor of the Dominion.

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Fair enough, however, those are mere direction faults. The story itself remained intact even though it could've been done with a little more surprise.

Ive seen just about every episode of the show, so im sure myself (and others) see the pattern and can make a pretty good guess at some of the stuff.

I just think the SGA team is a little weak when it comes to defense.

jebus
September 26th, 2008, 07:27 PM
So the new bad guys wear body armor, live on an ice planet, and possibly can't survive our atmosphere, they're the freaking Breen. My guess is they wanted the device for the side effect it had on stargates.

Yes, I'm not the only one who was thinking breen when they kept their suits on.

Not Telling
September 26th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Over all it was a good ep. Loved seeing Daniel again. He does play well with McKay. Ah, poor insecure Rodney. What a change. Arrogant to insecure. Hmm, must be the writers forgot he's supposed to be self absorbed.

Anyways, there isn't much of a plot really. Mainly techno-babel and plot devices. The new radce in the series seems pretty blan...Todd is far more interesting.

The security on the Deadelus was ridicules to say the least...but I did like woolsey's charm. (He's a completely;y different character from 2 years ago...huh?)

Poor Zelenka...RIP.



He's in the next episode, though... isn't he?

O'Neil
September 26th, 2008, 07:32 PM
IIRC Sheppard wanted the jumpers to intercept it, but by the time they'd have been ready it would have already been inside the shield. They don't want to blow it out of the sky and take half the city with it.

Ok, makes sense, but then why fire on all those darts (in the episode "the siege"). They made a lot of havoc and destruction.




When do they ever shoot on site? They were waiting to see what it would do.

Thats the problem. Hostile alien force breaks in, does not state intentions, grabs stuff, and acts like they own the place. I think I would fire first, ask questions later.




His hands were behind his back, IIRC.

Exactly, some one should have been watching. A wraith with his hands behind is back, while getting upset about the hives exploding, starting to become irrational, blaming the crew...... yet no guns were pointed his way, yet in most of the other scenes, theres always a soldier there with a gun.

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Who are the Breen?

The Breen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breen)

Briangate78
September 26th, 2008, 07:32 PM
The new radce in the series seems pretty blan...Todd is far more interesting.



Well I would have to disagree. They are interesting because they are mysterious. They have advanced technology, are an enemy of the Wraith, and possibly cannot breathe regular atmosphere. I love how the fans have to guess what their motives are and who they are. I think there is going to be a very big revealing surprise next episode with who they are. So I am going to hold out on that until I know a little more about them.

Ruffles
September 26th, 2008, 07:33 PM
That ROCKED! Inventive, exciting, complex, and very cool.

Good stuff:

* Todd - he never gets old. LOVED his willingness to participate even with his doubts. The line questioning Wraith identity if they went through with the testing was BRILLIANT. And the nifty Wraith stunner sticks were way cool. Funny how he had them ready....

* Daniel - I've missed you! He gives as good as he gets with McKay (oh, the snark!), and his amused smile when Rodney mentioned that Sheppard could've been Mensa made me laugh. I love that he's still actively researching the Ancients.

* Janus' lab and experiments - we haven't seen nearly enough about Atlantis and the secrets she holds. I adore the fact there are still some there.

* Todd seemed to know about the device (I didn't catch what he called it).

* alien race - great mystery. Are they human or alien? What's with the suits? How did they know what the alarm on the device signified? Where did the extremely cool shields and cutting device (?) come from? Did Janus create them?

* Teyla, Radek, Woolsey, Caldwell - good to see you. Where've you been?

* Banks - I like her.

* great effects - I don't normally notice these kinds of things, but I particularly liked the alien ships entry into Lantean space and the following flight over the water.

* Sheppard in command - love it when he gets all military

* Woolsey tells Sheppard not to blow the place up. So he promptly manages to blow up the infirmary and the gate room. Oops. :P

* Daniel being willing to die to avoid the unforeseen side effects and Rodney struggling to shut it down when he figured out what they were

* the plotlines merging at the end - the experiment working which destroys the Wraith cruiser and blows up the Atlantis gate. I wonder how many other worlds will face the same fate before they shut it down.

I have lots of questions, but I'm hoping those will be answered in part 2. I hope Teyla and Ronon will be more involved then.

the fifth man
September 26th, 2008, 07:33 PM
This is the episode that gets the A+ rating, and the episode you can watch over and over again.

I would definitely give this episode a solid A. I think the second part will get the A+.

As for re-watching it, I intend on doing just that in about a half-hour.:)

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:33 PM
What an episode! One scene that really struck me was the conversation between Keller and Todd.

"What would we do?"
"What would we be"

Those are two very frightening questions to answering the question of redefining a person's entire identity!

Forget about a person's identity how about an entire race's. They've only known war and killing for 10,000 years. What would they do without that?

the fifth man
September 26th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Forget about a person's identity how about an entire race's. They've only known war and killing for 10,000 years. What would they do without that?

In the end, I don't think the Wraith can be anything else.

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 07:35 PM
You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

Spoilers about the Attero Device have been on the webs for months now.

Chev's Ron
September 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Why would it effect MW stargates? I doubt very much it's going to do much beyond Pegasus.

Yes, considering that the milkyway gates work a little different than the pegasus gates, and that the wraith most likely based their Hyperspace drives off of the Stargate found on their home world after they evolved into what they are today. I agree that the MW gate system shouldn't be affected at all.

Briangate78
September 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
I would definitely give this episode a solid A. I think the second part will get the A+.

As for re-watching it, I intend on doing just that in about a half-hour.:)

As will I! :p I feel this is like the best mid-season since "The Storm" and "The Eye". Although I did enjoy Season 4's mid season eps, and "The Return". The only mid-season I was not crazy about was "Lost Boys" and "The Hive". :(

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Yes, considering that the milkyway gates work a little different than the pegasus gates, and that the wraith most likely based their Hyperspace drives off of the Stargate found on their home world after they evolved into what they are today. I agree that the MW gate system shouldn't be affected at all.

I was thinking more along the lines of the devices range actually.

Teslan
September 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Yes, things are looking up for this season after that episode. Not that it was bad before, but I didn't think it was up to par with S4. With this one in its favor, it has probably surpassed it, depending on well the second part is.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't often enjoy cross-over episodes in shows. So far however, Atlantis has benefited on the whole from the appearance of SG-1 characters, with a few minor missteps. Daniel Jackson was a great addition, and I don't think it would have necessarily worked with any other character in that same position.

I'm relieved we don't have to wait several months for the conclusion, because that would be pretty hard to do. Love the new aliens so far (someone I was watching it with mentioned Metroid), all the new tech was neat (the Wraith stick, the Ancient sound-sensitive wall), and there was enough peril at the end to make it interesting to see just how they get out.

Briangate78
September 26th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Yes, things are looking up for this season after that episode. Not that it was bad before, but I didn't think it was up to par with S4. With this one in its favor, it has probably surpassed it, depending on well the second part is.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't often enjoy cross-over episodes in shows. So far however, Atlantis has benefited on the whole from the appearance of SG-1 characters, with a few minor missteps. Daniel Jackson was a great addition, and I don't think it would have necessarily worked with any other character in that same position.

I'm relieved we don't have to wait several months for the conclusion, because that would be pretty hard to do. Love the new aliens so far (someone I was watching it with mentioned Metroid), all the new tech was neat (the Wraith stick, the Ancient sound-sensitive wall), and there was enough peril at the end to make it interesting to see just how they get out.

Yeah, Metroid, Samus right? :p

Myles
September 26th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Forget about a person's identity how about an entire race's. They've only known war and killing for 10,000 years. What would they do without that?

They haven't been at war for 10,000 years, and until the Expedition woke them all up, they had a pretty sustainable lifestyle going on. It's not that they like war and killing, they have to kill humans to survive, that's it. It's like us eating meat, we're killing innocent animals - the only difference is the sentience. And I know I wouldn't want to give up steak and bacon. ;)

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Forget about a person's identity how about an entire race's. They've only known war and killing for 10,000 years. What would they do without that?
And we haven't?

I mean, we got the Punic Wars, the Peloponessian(sp?) Wars, the Mesopotamian, the Persian Wars, the Invasion of Gaul, the 100 Years War, the War of the Roses, The Crusades, the American Revolution, the French Civil War, the Napoleonic Wars, the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II. Then we have the Korean, Vietnamese, Iranian-Iraqi, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and then America's time in Iraq, followed a decade later by the American invasion of Afghanistan and very soon after Iraq.

A pretty obvious response to Todd's dilemma is: We all have.

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:41 PM
They haven't been at war for 10,000 years, and until the Expedition woke them all up, they had a pretty sustainable lifestyle going on. It's not that they like war and killing, they have to kill humans to survive, that it. It's like us eating meat, we're killing innocent animals - the only difference is the sentience. And I know I wouldn't want to give up steak and bacon. ;)

I didn't say they were at war for 10,000 years I was saying they just fight and kill. I also didn't say they liked it, I just said that's all they've known.

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:43 PM
And we haven't?

I mean, we got the Punic Wars, the Peloponessian(sp?) Wars, the Mesopotamian, the Persian Wars, the Invasion of Gaul, the 100 Years War, the War of the Roses, The Crusades, the American Revolution, the French Civil War, the Napoleonic Wars, the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II. Then we have the Korean, Vietnamese, Iranian-Iraqi, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and then America's time in Iraq, followed a decade later by the American invasion of Afghanistan and very soon after Iraq.

A pretty obvious response to Todd's dilemma is: We all have.

The difference between the wraith and us is the entire human population hasn't been engaged in murder and war only portion. The Wraith's existence is based solely off murder.

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:45 PM
I should complete a thought or at least spell and grammar check what I type.

Myles
September 26th, 2008, 07:46 PM
I didn't say they were at war for 10,000 years I was saying they just fight and kill. I also didn't say they liked it, I just said that's all they've known.

You said it's all they've known for 10000 years, that would insinuate they've been at it during that time. And younger Wraith wouldn't know war, they would only know waking up every now and again and feeding on someone. They're used to killing like a butcher is.

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 07:47 PM
The difference between the wraith and us is the entire human population hasn't been engaged in murder and war only portion. The Wraith's existence is based solely off murder.
They murder humans for sustenance. We murder cows, chickens, pigs, etc for sustenance.

And to be fair, we've probably killed more of our own on our own world than the Wraith have culled in the past 10,000 years.

jiklar
September 26th, 2008, 07:49 PM
I obviously didn't think out what I said so I concede to basically everyone else.

Arturis
September 26th, 2008, 07:57 PM
The difference between the wraith and us is the entire human population hasn't been engaged in murder and war only portion. The Wraith's existence is based solely off murder.

"Murder" is a moral construct that the Wraith exist above. Morality is irrelevant in this case. They kill to survive. All living things kill to survive.

dasNdanger
September 26th, 2008, 07:58 PM
What an episode! One scene that really struck me was the conversation between Keller and Todd.

"What would we do?"
"What would we be"

Those are two very frightening questions to answering the question of redefining a person's entire identity!


Forget about a person's identity how about an entire race's. They've only known war and killing for 10,000 years. What would they do without that?


Exactly. As a Wraith fan, I WANT them to find a way for the Wraith to coexist with humans - or, at the very least, for a reason not to kill them all the time. I'd like to see them become something like the Klingons (before they got too wussy) - occasional allies, but still very much a threat if you rub them the wrong way. However, I don't want to see the Wraith lose their identity - and that identity is everything they are - their appearance, their regeneration abilities, their longevity, their food supply. They have been hunters all of their lives - since the time they were Iratus bugs. This is all they know. They are not farmers, or carpenters, or entertainers. They are Wraith. To change that would be too much.

But to not change...well, that would mean their death.

Ugh. I loved this episode, but it was very upsetting from this Wraith fan's POV.

das

jenks
September 26th, 2008, 07:59 PM
"Murder" is a moral construct that the Wraith exist above. Morality is irrelevant in this case. They kill to survive. All living things kill to survive.

Not true, though I agree with the rest of your argument ;)

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Not true, though I agree with the rest of your argument ;)

Oh yes jenks, plants kill, they just do it quietly so you don't know about it.

Alan Wake
September 26th, 2008, 08:05 PM
anyone like this episode so much you're watching it again now? :)

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Oh yes jenks, plants kill, they just do it quietly so you don't know about it.
Oh, so you saw that ****ty movie by M. Night Shamalamalan or whatever the hell is name is too?

jds1982
September 26th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Oh, so you saw that ****ty movie by M. Night Shamalamalan or whatever the hell is name is too?

Unfortunately.

jenks
September 26th, 2008, 08:08 PM
What movie?

Mr. Jack
September 26th, 2008, 08:11 PM
anyone like this episode so much you're watching it again now? :)

Yup :D.

Elflinn
September 26th, 2008, 08:11 PM
anyone like this episode so much you're watching it again now?


I am and I'm going to watch it again tomorrow at least 2 more times. I wouldn't want to miss any vital reasearch I need to make note of for future reference.....:);)

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 08:14 PM
What movie?
You're better off not knowing.

But in case you REALLY want to know.

The Happening.

dasNdanger
September 26th, 2008, 08:16 PM
The difference between the wraith and us is the entire human population hasn't been engaged in murder and war only portion. The Wraith's existence is based solely off murder.


According to one source, 160 million people died in wars during the 20th century. That's not including all the murders that happened during that time. Humans are very violent to one another...and not because they need to eat them in order to survive, but humans kill out of greed and hate and a lust for power.

das

jenks
September 26th, 2008, 08:18 PM
You're better off not knowing.

But in case you REALLY want to know.

The Happening.

Ah, probably shouldn't have read that...

Alan Wake
September 26th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Does anyone else wonder how Janus was able to build his lab in Atlantis without anyone else noticing him?

Just seems like something someone would notice.

And those lights with the sound.. you would think the designer of the city would notice that too.

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Does anyone else wonder how Janus was able to build his lab in Atlantis without anyone else noticing him?

Just seems like something someone would notice.

And those lights with the sound.. you would think the designer of the city would notice that too.
There's a thread dedicated to that. ;)

Alan Wake
September 26th, 2008, 08:30 PM
There's a thread dedicated to that. ;)

ha. didn't even see that... thanks though :)

jelgate
September 26th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

*crosses off Ghost in the Machine and adds First Contact as the best episode of Season Five.*

Is anyone in the thread CPR certified? Because I might need your help. I'm by nature a person who cares more about the plot then the characters who shape it. Most of the time the Stargate mid-season finale and premiere is more about the plot the characters and First Contact. All the twists and turns of the episode had more jaw on the floor. So many things even after reading spoilers had me shocked.

Despite the episode being beyond fantastic, the teaser had me a little underwhelmed (or maybe it was the short credits). Isn't the whole point of a teaser to catch the viewer's interest? All we saw was McKay complaining about having to walk to the gate and then Daniel appeared. Didn't do much to peak my interest.

Luckily things really started to speed up after the first commercial. This episode brings me back to my SG1 days to see Daniel solve an Ancient puzzle, from finding the hallway to too him and McKay finding out the code to use Janus's secret entrance. I say McKay subconsciously wanted Daniel to fall on the ground. I like how slowly presented the new alien. The camera slowly pans to the Attero device and all we get is one sentence out of the aliens. Really adds to the mystery of, who are they?

What I am currently calling the B plot was also interesting with minor exception. I really did not care for the little scene showing the love triangle. The look on McKay's and Ronon's face made me a little sick. It’s also a joy to see a mention of IOA rules. It makes sense but I never knew it was an IOA rule that if the commander of the expedition goes offworld that the 2nd in command has to stay on Atlantis. I chuckled about the little foreshadowing when Woosley say don't blow her up.

One thing is very certain. Woosley is no Dr. Weir. I know his speech was meant mostly for comic relief but it stiff reinforces Stargate canon that Woosley is anything but a diplomat. The way he tries to talk Todd and just gets rejected to hear his great speech.

Speaking of Todd, I have always said he is one of the most 3D characters in Stargate Atlantis. Not only in the issue that we can never trust him but on the scene with Keller in the Daedalus. Todd sees like quite the philosopher. Keller goes on to say this will change the Wraith and very quietly says then who are we? That is such a deep thought to me. I know it will never be addressed again but it just pokes again at the argument of how we are different then the Wraith? We both do what we have to do to survive. Getting rid of their feeding desires doesn't really make them Wraith anymore.

Jelgate would like to take moment to tell everyone how much he loves the new alien. He loved watching their cool ship glide. At the same time I'm curious on how the aliens were able to get past Atlantis' shield. Is their really connection between their ship and Ancient ships? It was epic watching them storm through Atlantis, from watching their homemade elevator to the dead alien's orange shield. They really brought a terror factor that has been missing lately

Showing both Sheppard and McKay rationalizing why the new aliens attacked Atlantis was new writing technique on the show and something I haven't seen on TV for a long time. McKay is suppose to be a PhD and doesn't realize those green lasers are going to hurt. That is beyond idiotic.:rolleyes: Once again I have to say how I loved the new alien’s demeanor. The writer doesn't give away much about the aliens. I was pleasantly surprised all the guy says is turn on the device. After the whole episode all we know is they can detect the Attero device and maybe need to wear that armor to live.

I always knew their were two kinds of hyperdrives but I never thought that each species travels a different kind of hyperspace. It interesting idea but way in the world does the Attero device blow up Stargates. This is the sad thing about two partiers. Their are so many questions but so few answers.

This is why I love Todd, you never know what to expect from him. One second he is fine the next second he stuns everyone on the Daedalus. Speaking of stunning, you wouldn't think a rod that small would stun so many people. I thought it would take something a little bigger. Todd knew exactly what had happened when the Hive ships blew up. I wonder what his connection is to the Attero device.

Curse you Martin Gero. Why is it you always know how to end cliffhangers on a high note. Watching the very end in Atlantis was full of tension. I'm not even a shipper and like the look Sheppard and Teyla had. This end sequence really shows how Zelenka can shine when McKay is missing. From watching him putting city shield around the Stargate to trying to contain explosion really shows how smart Zelenka really is. Their was a second I thought he would succeed. Then a certain writer had to be mean and blow up the control tower with the three most hated words in television. I haven't seen an episode end on such a high note since Siege II. I guess it could be worse. I could be waiting the usual 3 months or that one time we had to wait 6 months.

DrJacksonsMistress
September 26th, 2008, 08:35 PM
I absolutely loved the interaction between Drs. Jackson & McKay. They make an interesting duo! They should give David & Michael their own spin-off... lol! 2 weeks is too long to have to wait for the conclusion to this cliffhanger!! But I will surely be watching!!

:danielanime13::mckayanime18:

Briangate78
September 26th, 2008, 08:39 PM
^^

Yeah it was a jaw dropping episode. I really want to see what is inside those battle suits. I cannot wait for the conclusion.

Poor Sheppard, loses the stargate on his command. :p

rarocks24
September 26th, 2008, 08:44 PM
This episode was a 9/10.

Dr. Jackson, Todd, and the Wraith made it a 9.

Not contacting the Daedalus though and informing them that something had been stolen from Atlantis by some unknown race.

BIG MISTAKE.

jelgate
September 26th, 2008, 08:52 PM
fantastic episode! the only downsight, we have to wait two weeks for part II.
It could be worse. We could the status quo of a 3 month hitasus or that dreaded 6 month we had in S3.


the weren't foot hold aliens...i think....and where are you getting asgard from??
from The Lost Tribe spoilers

Over all it was a good ep. Loved seeing Daniel again. He does play well with McKay. Ah, poor insecure Rodney. What a change. Arrogant to insecure. Hmm, must be the writers forgot he's supposed to be self absorbed.

Anyways, there isn't much of a plot really. Mainly techno-babel and plot devices. The new radce in the series seems pretty blan...Todd is far more interesting.

The security on the Deadelus was ridicules to say the least...but I did like woolsey's charm. (He's a completely;y different character from 2 years ago...huh?)

Poor Zelenka...RIP.

on a scale of 1-10...I give it a 7...mainly for Daniel's appearance and his banter with Mckay.:)
I don't think Zelenka is dead. He was right next to Sheppard and their is no way Sheppard is dead

Yes, I'm not the only one who was thinking breen when they kept their suits on.
No you were definatly not the only one. I also thought about the Breen after Daniel made the observation on them not taking them off.

That ROCKED! Inventive, exciting, complex, and very cool.

Good stuff:

* Todd - he never gets old. LOVED his willingness to participate even with his doubts. The line questioning Wraith identity if they went through with the testing was BRILLIANT. And the nifty Wraith stunner sticks were way cool. Funny how he had them ready....

* Daniel - I've missed you! He gives as good as he gets with McKay (oh, the snark!), and his amused smile when Rodney mentioned that Sheppard could've been Mensa made me laugh. I love that he's still actively researching the Ancients.

* Janus' lab and experiments - we haven't seen nearly enough about Atlantis and the secrets she holds. I adore the fact there are still some there.

* Todd seemed to know about the device (I didn't catch what he called it).

* alien race - great mystery. Are they human or alien? What's with the suits? How did they know what the alarm on the device signified? Where did the extremely cool shields and cutting device (?) come from? Did Janus create them?

* Teyla, Radek, Woolsey, Caldwell - good to see you. Where've you been?

* Banks - I like her.

* great effects - I don't normally notice these kinds of things, but I particularly liked the alien ships entry into Lantean space and the following flight over the water.

* Sheppard in command - love it when he gets all military

* Woolsey tells Sheppard not to blow the place up. So he promptly manages to blow up the infirmary and the gate room. Oops. :P

* Daniel being willing to die to avoid the unforeseen side effects and Rodney struggling to shut it down when he figured out what they were

* the plotlines merging at the end - the experiment working which destroys the Wraith cruiser and blows up the Atlantis gate. I wonder how many other worlds will face the same fate before they shut it down.

I have lots of questions, but I'm hoping those will be answered in part 2. I hope Teyla and Ronon will be more involved then.
I noticed their was no bad stuff

joeynox
September 26th, 2008, 09:06 PM
we need a season six. This is ridiculous the show is getting better and better and its gonna be gone in jan. BTW I loved the episode

amconway
September 26th, 2008, 09:14 PM
anyone like this episode so much you're watching it again now?
I just finished watching about 10 seconds ago. I'm going to take a 5 minute break, then watch again. After the last shot I just stared at the screen and said WOW! That was fantastic. Really, really good. As an SG-1 fan, I knew that I would be more involved and feel like the stakes were higher than I usually do, but I ended up being absolutely riveted by everyone's plotline. Three cliffhangers in one, and everyone of them really interesting and exciting! And we still don't know who those guys with the super cool tech were! How awesome was that device that took the aliens to the bottom of that tower? How cool was the nifty gold shield? How fantastic was it to see Daniel really having fun for the first time in at least a decade? (however short lived that fun may have been. Poor guy) That was so great! :D New tech! Discoveries! First contact! Now that was Stargate!

Jeffala
September 26th, 2008, 09:18 PM
Not contacting the Daedalus though and informing them that something had been stolen from Atlantis by some unknown race.

BIG MISTAKE.

I thought the same thing at first, but then they gave us the convenient "Daedalus is out of range" excuse for not informing them.


Also, on

The Happening, my first thought was, appropriately, "eew barf!"

Alan Wake
September 26th, 2008, 09:18 PM
I kept waiting for Daniel to pop in a joke about death... They set up so many lines hehe.

Shan Bruce Lee
September 26th, 2008, 09:19 PM
This is easily the best episode of the season so far and could possibly be the best of the series. I'll have to wait and see how I feel after some time.

The Jackson/McKay back and forth stuff was great.
Todd's reaction to the device's activation was awesome. I loved seeing the Wraith take over the Daedalus.
Shep's military command was about as flawless as you can get given the circumstances.
The alien race exceeded my expectations. They kinda had an old school BSG feel... like when BSG was fun to watch. The alien "holding up" the shields looked crazy - I can't wait to see more of these guys.
Loved Ronon's reaction to the Wraith attack. I've been waiting for the big Ronon/Todd showdown, I hope we get that.

Shan Bruce Lee
September 26th, 2008, 09:24 PM
1. When the unknown alien ship passed thru the shield, Shepperd said to get the jumpers in the air, right? Now after all the time that passed by, (the aliens jumping in, passing through the many levels of flooring, grabbing Daniel and Rodney, then leaving) there were no jumpers in the air.

He said to have them on standby, doesn't mean they launched. And even if they did, by the time the crew got to the jumpers, got airborne and headed toward the alien ship it could've been gone already.


2. Every time that Shepperd and his team came up on one of those aliens, they hesitated and waited until the aliens raised the shield for the transporter through the floor, and their own personal shield.

Every 2 times? The first time they tried to find out who they were and the second time they opened fire on him.


3. When Todd the wraith (I think thats his name) saw that the other hives had exploded, he slid that weird device down his sleeve and started acting like he was getting ready to retaliate, but yet Woolsy and the rest of the bunch stood there and did nothing. All those armed personnel, yet no one acted.

Yeah why didn't they see the stun stick he was hiding behind his back?

Shan Bruce Lee
September 26th, 2008, 09:39 PM
What's going to happen when the SGC activates their gate? They use the gate all the time, and the Iris won't protect them from that kind of explosion.

They won't be able to get a connection

Shan Bruce Lee
September 26th, 2008, 09:45 PM
I obviously didn't think out what I said so I concede to basically everyone else.

I got what you meant

EvenstarSRV
September 26th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Is anyone in the thread CPR certified? Because I might need your help.

*raises hand* EMT, at your service. :)

I guess I must be in the minority in not being too impressed by this episode.

I liked the new aliens, their look, their technology, their single-minded efficiency in getting the job done. Very intriguing. I also really liked Todd, especially his 'what will we be, what will we do' scene with Keller. Definitely one of the most complex 'bad guy' Stargate has produced. Woolsey's awkwardness in dealing with the Wraith face-to-face was fun, and I really enjoyed watching Sheppard and Zelenka in the final act. I wish Teyla and Ronon had a bit more to do, but I'm sure we'll see that in the second part.

But as a whole I found the episode to be kinda rushed and rather poorly edited at times, most obviously (to me) in the scene outside Janus's lab with Teyla, Sheppard,and Zelenka around the fallen alien, and the Keller and Woolsey scene on the Daedalus.

I was also less than impressed with the McKay/Daniel scenes. I guess I just didn't find their banter all that amusing, and while I know that Shanks and Hewlett are probably the fastest talkers on Stargate, they seemed to be rushing through their lines extra fast in this episode. I did enjoy finding out more about Janus and the Attero device, and the little puzzles like the harmonic door lock.

With so many others on this thread loving this episode, I kinda feel like I must be missing something. I guess a second viewing should help, at least to understand more than half of what Daniel ad McKay are saying. :o

Browncoat1984
September 26th, 2008, 10:24 PM
This was a great episode. Awesome visual effects, and the pace was quick enough that it kept me interested, but at the same time it wasn't so quick that I felt it was rushed. Unlike most two parters where the pacing seems to be off (you get a slow buildup to something nasty happening at the end of part 1 and part 2 is about dealing with the nasty), this episode really keeps moving and there's a lot happening. This definitely ranks up there with some of the best first part episodes of two part episodes in scifi in my opinion, ranking up there with episodes such as Best of Both Worlds Part 1 (ST:TNG) and Pegasus (BSG).

The banter between McKay and Daniel was good fun, and Daniel's appearance on Atlantis didn't feel forced at all. So often when crossovers happen like this they feel forced. Todd also had some great moments, and I'm glad he wasn't planning on taking over the ship from the beginning. From what we knew about this episode beforehand, they kind of set it up like he was planning to take over Daedalus from the moment he showed up, but the stun device he brought seems to have been only a precatuion, and an understandable one at that. Wraith and humans have been enemies....forever, so its believable that he would expect a possible betrayal.

I also agree with a previous comment that it seemed that Todd was saddened at the thought that the humans betrayed them. I hope by the end of the next episode that the Wraith/ realize that we really did have the bests interests and weren't planning on betraying them, I thought that would have been an interesting way to do away with the Wraith...instead of just wiping them out, possibly turning them into allies who could help us fight other enemies (unlike the Ori's followers, who we'll never see or hear from again).

The new race was definitely better written than I expected. Now we have these guys, and the guys from Deadalus Variations to create possible new material for in the future, so if Atlantis is turned into a movie franchise there's plenty of material there for new and interesting villains (and the Wraith may still be around as allies or enemies). When I first saw the aliens in screenshots I thought "great, another rip-off of the Borg." But they were handled well.

Overall I rate it a 9/10 because very rarely do I give episodes a full 10. I may bump it up to 9.5 though. Can't wait for next weeks episode, and I hope it doesn't turn into one of those two-part episodes where part two is just a let down over part one, because that often happens.....

smschrader
September 26th, 2008, 10:26 PM
For me this was by far the most interesting episode of the season. I watch television pretty passively and had no idea where it was going. Being a fangirl I loved the looks between Ronan and Rodney in the beginning. I also thought Todd brought so much to this episode. His "who would we become, what would we be" line gave me a moments pause.

I think this is what has been missing from the show. They haven definitely not taken advantage of the mysteries Ancient technology holds. There are so many potential story lines to come from this and they haven't branched off into enough of them. I'm glad to see they were able to step out of the normal box to do something a little bit more interesting.

randy23
September 26th, 2008, 10:29 PM
The new bad guys seem to much like the Horajin (sp?) from Star Trek Voyager minus the atmospheric aspect compared with humans.

david2708
September 26th, 2008, 10:42 PM
The new bad guys seem to much like the Horajin (sp?) from Star Trek Voyager minus the atmospheric aspect compared with humans.

A cross between the Hirogen and The Breen but far less interesting.

Nintsu
September 26th, 2008, 11:08 PM
Watching thid episode really showed what Stargate Atlantis could do in the 6 season, there are so many different story lines these new aliens could bring. I loved the banter between Daniel and Mckay and it was timed perfectively. What is really interesting about this new guys are they are very direct and their dialogue was brillant and not cheesey which i could of been seeing as you don't see their face or anything. Does anyone feel there ship seemed to be a bigger puddle jumper?

Amakusa
September 26th, 2008, 11:34 PM
I seriously hope the new enemies are not partially-ascended like Anubis. That would suck.

Detox
September 26th, 2008, 11:51 PM
He's in the next episode, though... isn't he?

And in many episodes thereafter.

Detox
September 26th, 2008, 11:54 PM
Ok, makes sense, but then why fire on all those darts (in the episode "the siege"). They made a lot of havoc and destruction.





Thats the problem. Hostile alien force breaks in, does not state intentions, grabs stuff, and acts like they own the place. I think I would fire first, ask questions later.





Exactly, some one should have been watching. A wraith with his hands behind is back, while getting upset about the hives exploding, starting to become irrational, blaming the crew...... yet no guns were pointed his way, yet in most of the other scenes, theres always a soldier there with a gun.

1. They weren't sure if the ship was hostile or not. The biggest reason why they didn't fire on them, because the ship flew through the shields, and as far as they know, only Ancient ships could do that. They wouldn't risk shooting ancients.

2. Ties back to the first question. The team thought the intruders could be Ancients.

3. That's mostly because everyone was confused. The crew had no idea what was happening, and pointing guns wasn't going to help diffuse the situation.

morjana
September 27th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Quick comment: I loved the names of the wraith in the end credits: Billy Wraith and Kenny Wraith. LOL!

Ishshah
September 27th, 2008, 12:22 AM
OMG... I LOVED First Contact! And I think I know who the guys in the space suits are ... They are the descendants of the LANTEANS? They have been waiting for Janus to return from ascension or waiting for Janus’s off spring to come back activate the transmitter so they can complete the task of wiping out the wraith? Or at least this is my best guess at this point! IMO

bfldworker
September 27th, 2008, 12:31 AM
You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

I knew about it at least a week ago. It was in the spoiler for "The lost tribe" that is on this site.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/511.shtml

"Dr. Daniel Jackson and Dr. Rodney McKay have been forced to reactivate the Attero device, a machine designed thousands of years ago to annihilate the Wraith. In doing so, they discover the reason the device was ultimately abandoned by its Ancient creator -- while destroying Wraith ships that attempt to travel through hyperspace, the weapon inadvertently causes active Stargates to self-destruct."

Colonel Eriksen
September 27th, 2008, 12:53 AM
nice episode loved the parts with Daniel and Mckay

:daniel:

:mckay:

Chevron Atlantis
September 27th, 2008, 01:02 AM
I wonder what Briangat78 has to say about this :D. I still haven't watched this episode but judging from the posts here I'd say I would not be disappointed with this episode. Not that I am with Atlantis and SG-1 I would rate each and everyone episodes very highly. The reason why they cancelled is simple $$$$$$ MGM and Sci Fi want more money all they care about is profits, profits and profits. I am sure the company directors would thinking that in their sleep.

nxcalibur
September 27th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Now that was cool! I liked seeing Dnaiel back in Atlantis, although it seems he never really has the chance to explore Atlantis, since he always visits the city to search for a specific topic and not just random wandering through the city and exploring its secrest. Also I kind of missed his notebooks, he used to carry around in SG-1. Sure, he knows Ancient language by now, but back in good ol' SG-1 he always took notes or kept searching in books. Anyways good to have him back.
The new race, well, we'll see what future, or better, "The Lost Tribe" will bring. Definitely very mysterious race. But as much as I loved the Asgard, I'm so hoping they are not really Asgard.

amconway
September 27th, 2008, 01:29 AM
I knew about it at least a week ago. It was in the spoiler for "The lost tribe" that is on this site.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/511.shtml

"Dr. Daniel Jackson and Dr. Rodney McKay have been forced to reactivate the Attero device, a machine designed thousands of years ago to annihilate the Wraith. In doing so, they discover the reason the device was ultimately abandoned by its Ancient creator -- while destroying Wraith ships that attempt to travel through hyperspace, the weapon inadvertently causes active Stargates to self-destruct."

I loathe spoilers with a passion they suck all the surprise and joy out of a product where they work really hard to put those things in. I wish it wasn't so hard to avoid them. Before the next movie I may stay away from this site altogether, because even though I tried very hard, I still ended up seeing a couple of spoilers. They're not going to spoil any of it for me next time!
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Freek
September 27th, 2008, 01:40 AM
It was very decent, but again very little decent character / team interaction. For some reason it's also still very easy to take over an earth battlecruiser, what's up with that? I've never seen a diplomatic meeting where representatives carry weapons.

Regardless, it makes me want to watch part II, which I guess means its a good ep.

Platschu
September 27th, 2008, 01:42 AM
Wow. Dare I say it was better than a DVD movie? First Contact is one of the best Atlantis episode ever. There were amazing special effects, good music, lot of guest stars, a new race and finally a really good storytelling. So it deserves 10/10 point. ;)

And they canceled this show! :( But if they could make Universe in such quality, than I will be very happy. :)

Chevron Atlantis
September 27th, 2008, 01:45 AM
Wow. Dare I say it was better than a DVD movie? First Contact is one of the best Atlantis episode ever. There were amazing special effects, good music, lot of guest stars, a new race and finally a really good storytelling. So it deserves 10/10 point. ;)

And they canceled this show! :( But if they could make Universe in such quality, than I will be very happy. :)

Somehow I doubt it will do as well as SGA and SG-1 IMO.this is for SGU I am talking about.

The TARDIS
September 27th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Win. Episode. This. Made. Was. Of.

I think that says everything I need to say about this episode. Thank you and have an agonizing two weeks until Lost Tribe airs.

Atlanis
September 27th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Holy crap! I literly was stuned!

Shan Bruce Lee
September 27th, 2008, 01:47 AM
Quick comment: I loved the names of the wraith in the end credits: Billy Wraith and Kenny Wraith. LOL!

lol I never pay attention to the credits but that's hilarious

Chevron Atlantis
September 27th, 2008, 01:48 AM
Nice to see a lot of fans were stunned as seeing this episode.:D

AutumnDream
September 27th, 2008, 01:51 AM
One of the best episodes ever. Yes, why is Atlantis being cancelled and why could they not have a plot like this earlier in the series?

It was cancelled due to economics, the content of the show has nothing to do with it.

But if we suppose for a moment that the quality of the writing were directly correlated to the longevity of the show, then you answered your own question. A story like this should have started in early season two, rather than have three and a half seasons of useless, directionless fluff until something significant happened that built on established season one elements.

david2708
September 27th, 2008, 01:51 AM
How come they can't penetrate the alien's suit but can easily take him down with a couple of bullets? Methinks the suit wasn't THAT sturdy after all.
Looks like Daniel has packed on the pounds. Bit of a gut happening there.
To me it was just a pretty average episode. it may look slightly better than it is because the proceeding 9 episodes were so mediocre.

The TARDIS
September 27th, 2008, 01:54 AM
How come they can't penetrate the alien's suit but can easily take him down with a couple of bullets? Methinks the suit wasn't THAT sturdy after all.

It malfunctioned due to the shields overheating or something of the sort... I don't think any bullets actually pierced the suit there...

Shan Bruce Lee
September 27th, 2008, 01:55 AM
How come they can't penetrate the alien's suit but can easily take him down with a couple of bullets? Methinks the suit wasn't THAT sturdy after all.
Looks like Daniel has packed on the pounds. Bit of a gut happening there.
To me it was just a pretty average episode. it may look slightly better than it is because the proceeding 9 episodes were so mediocre.

They fired way more than a "couple" bullets at that guy

ray73864
September 27th, 2008, 02:15 AM
According to the scifi channel website for Stargate Atlantis, we won't have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode, the next episode apparently airs on the 3rd of October.

Link: http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/index.php

There is however conflicting ideas, according to tv.com the next ep airs on the 10th of October, according to gateworld.net the next ep airs on the 10th of October, yet the scifi channel clearly states that 'The Lost Tribe' will air on Friday October 3rd at 10/9C (whatever that means, never did understand yankee airtimes)

Platschu
September 27th, 2008, 02:43 AM
So the gate exploded. Does it mean they lost the control chrystal to dial Earth? Because it seems they can use only the gate bridge to reach MW, if they will ever rebuild it again.

The TARDIS
September 27th, 2008, 02:55 AM
So the gate exploded. Does it mean they lost the control chrystal to dial Earth? Because it seems they can use only the gate bridge to reach MW, if they will ever rebuild it again.

Could very well be a possibility, if the DHD console was damaged or destroyed. It could provide a very strong incentive to rebuild the Midway :)

mr_kennedy
September 27th, 2008, 02:56 AM
when they first canned the opening credits i was pissed off but ever since they did, atlantis has been awesome

this weeks episode is one of the best episodes of atlantis ever 10/10

gotta wait 2 weeks for the next one apparently :(

oh and all hail captain todd!!! :D:D:D

marli
September 27th, 2008, 03:34 AM
bawaaa a amazing episode, daniel and rodney OMG the incredible and hot pairing, i love this episode, the walk into the city, the Janus reference, the new aliens, the travelling, the team, everything is excellent !
i'm sad, they cancelled this wonderfull show with this extraordinary season 5, it's a shame, i can't wait for the 511.

Gate-builder
September 27th, 2008, 03:50 AM
I think I am still in shock from such an awesome episode, will be watching it a couple more times soon so I can take it all in.

Nothing to complain about here. Except maybe the cliffhanger (they drive me totally crazy!)

Loved the new Aliens and their home made lift that bashed its way through the tower. What happened to the one that got shot? Did its shield fail? I didn't quite see.

Seems strange that when an unknown ship appears they don't raise the shield until it is right on top of them, not that it would have done much in this case, just thought there would be some kind of protocol.

Felt a bit sorry for Woolsey preparing a speech and basically being told by Todd to shut up lol
Don't think he will be too impressed with Sheppard either. After telling him not to blow the place up he has managed to destroy the infirmary, blow up the stargate, and smash all the windows in the control room! Wouldn't want him to be left in charge of my house :D

Spoilers for Lost Tribe:
http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/index.php
Spot the Asgard!

Shan Bruce Lee
September 27th, 2008, 03:51 AM
According to the scifi channel website for Stargate Atlantis, we won't have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode, the next episode apparently airs on the 3rd of October.

Link: http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/index.php

There is however conflicting ideas, according to tv.com the next ep airs on the 10th of October, according to gateworld.net the next ep airs on the 10th of October, yet the scifi channel clearly states that 'The Lost Tribe' will air on Friday October 3rd at 10/9C (whatever that means, never did understand yankee airtimes)

That's a mistake. SciFi was running commercials for the 2 hr series premier of 'Sanctuary' next week at 9/8C

Shan Bruce Lee
September 27th, 2008, 03:52 AM
when they first canned the opening credits i was pissed off but ever since they did, atlantis has been awesome

lol I doubt it's related

JackHarkness_Hot
September 27th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Okay, this episode is the best episode out of the current Season 5 to date. Nice fast pace, the story wasn't lagging and it's awesome, and I can't wait to see the conclusion to this episode.

Kudos to whoever wrote this episode, as it was brilliantly written.

Dr Lee
September 27th, 2008, 04:09 AM
Great episode....Wish we had a better look at the new ship.. but hey.....

ONe thing that struck me while watching this was during the bit where Shep and Teyla are looking down the hole made by the bad guys.....The head that pops out a few floors down, looks down then up....I can't help but think O'Neill in the way he moves..... but i can't get a good enough look at that point...

Am i seeing things or did TPTB just sneak in a cameo?

trekie
September 27th, 2008, 04:15 AM
OMG! This episode was awesome!

The new aliens were really cool with their advanced tech gadgets, and the whole introduction was handled quite well. Althought I catched the Breen resembalance too, it doesn't matter much because it's mostly the looks, not motivations or any other traits, off course not like we know too much about those at this point. But I like the mystery aspect of it.

The Daniel and McKay interaction was made of win.
- the running jokes with the "I could have" and "Just humour me, I think I'm onto something" lines.
- when McKay says that Shep could had been in MENSA and then they both try to force their smiles back.
- Daniel's joke about 'doing it for the money'
- when McKay says that he's quite fond of himself so he should activate the device anyway sparring Daniel's sacrifice.
- how they called each other Danny and Rod on occasion.
- Daniel's try to reason with the aliens (so in character!:D)

The attero device (didn't even know that was it's name until I read this thread, I know Todd mentioned it, but I didn't catch it then) was kind of cool. I really wasn't expecting something that huge.

The wierd thing was Todd's reaction, he obviously knew about the existence of the device, but I didn't expect him to think that our team was behind it. I know it's ancient tech and it links them to it, but he could have waited for an explanation before zapping everybody. I mean it's not really a smart plan to hold a meeting with the wraith just before you try to fry them.

The sideeffect with the gate was a clever idea, even if the explosion as a cliffhanger feels a little chliséd. I'm sure Shep and Zelenka will be just fine in the next episode. But because there was a bunch of things going on the episode wich was left untied I can't wait for the conclusion.

Why Carson? Why?
September 27th, 2008, 04:15 AM
Great episode....Wish we had a better look at the new ship.. but hey.....

ONe thing that struck me while watching this was during the bit where Shep and Teyla are looking down the hole made by the bad guys.....The head that pops out a few floors down, looks down then up....I can't help but think O'Neill in the way he moves..... but i can't get a good enough look at that point...

Am i seeing things or did TPTB just sneak in a cameo?


Firstly OMG what an awesome episode THIS IS THE REASON ATLANTIS SHOULD STAY ON AIR.

Had a look at the alleged cameo it does look like him with the hair and stuff can't get a clear look though.

Wow now this is what captain of that ancient ship was talking about with the weakness in the wraith tech and thats how todd knew OMFG WOW ZOMG

JackHarkness_Hot
September 27th, 2008, 04:17 AM
I couldn't tell who it was either, but if it was RDA, that would be quite funny.

rarocks24
September 27th, 2008, 04:21 AM
BIG WARNING FOR ALIEN IN SPACE SUIT.

It's an Asgard.

crazytam
September 27th, 2008, 04:37 AM
Did we find out who the new baddies are? I don't have SciFi :(

yes we did check it out, i think they gave to much info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa6ksEXI9qE

Linda06
September 27th, 2008, 05:03 AM
I really liked this ep....The only downside for me though was we had to wait about 20 minutes before Teyla came into it but I'm so glad she was in the ep for a change :D

Can we keep Daniel instead of McKay please :D He was great and he hasn't lost any of his humour...And as always I loved Woolsey...I admit i was on the fence when I first heard he was gonna be taking over but he has been nothing short of brilliant in every scene i've seen him in...

Good to see also Teyla and John fighting side by side again...I've missed that...And Zelkena's back :D Wish Lorne was here though :(
Who's the woman that was in the control room with Chuck..I like her..

Loved the new bad guys too....Pretty cool...Todd's always great, I kinda felt sorry for him :o

And the scene in the control room with the gate...John telling Teyla to go and her being reluctant but went anyway...Makes his job easier if he thinks she's safe anyway...One less thing to worry about and he can consentrate on the job at hand instead of worrying about Teyla....Even though she can take care of herself :D

So all in all i liked this ep....

So when's the next part on?

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 05:23 AM
According to the scifi channel website for Stargate Atlantis, we won't have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode, the next episode apparently airs on the 3rd of October.

Link: http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/index.php

There is however conflicting ideas, according to tv.com the next ep airs on the 10th of October, according to gateworld.net the next ep airs on the 10th of October, yet the scifi channel clearly states that 'The Lost Tribe' will air on Friday October 3rd at 10/9C (whatever that means, never did understand yankee airtimes)
SciFi is airing a two hour block of Sanctuary next week at 9. On the next Friday SGA will be on at 9 with Sanctaury at 10

So the gate exploded. Does it mean they lost the control chrystal to dial Earth? Because it seems they can use only the gate bridge to reach MW, if they will ever rebuild it again.
That would depend on the status of the DHD

tegalans
September 27th, 2008, 05:41 AM
I know that I'm on the wrong thread, but I bet that the guy's in the suits are Asgard. I had read somewhere that they would be in the show and since they didn't take off their suit, as Jackson pointed out, I can only assume that they don't want the humans to know. Or they could just be an off-shoot of the ancients that stayed behind, but I doubt that because if they were ancients they wouldn't have waited for the device to be activated.

tegalans
September 27th, 2008, 05:49 AM
I bet that the guy's in the suits are Asgard. I had read somewhere that they would be in the show and since they didn't take off their suit, as Jackson pointed out, I can only assume that they don't want the humans to know. Or they could just be an off-shoot of the ancients that stayed behind, but I doubt that because if they were ancients they wouldn't have waited for the device to be activated by the ATA gene.

lopo30
September 27th, 2008, 05:59 AM
According to the scifi channel website for Stargate Atlantis, we won't have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode, the next episode apparently airs on the 3rd of October.

Link: http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/index.php

There is however conflicting ideas, according to tv.com the next ep airs on the 10th of October, according to gateworld.net the next ep airs on the 10th of October, yet the scifi channel clearly states that 'The Lost Tribe' will air on Friday October 3rd at 10/9C (whatever that means, never did understand yankee airtimes)

well in scifi.com on the episode page it says 3rd october. but if u watch the video clip of next episode then it say's 10th oct.

and now on topic

one of the best ep so far but it is as useal two part episodes are the best always :D
i cant weight for the next episode but at least it will air only after 2 weeks instead of few months :D
and for the start where it have show charecters and so on is short i like that a lot cus the long version is already boring and to long i always must fast foward it and that sucks
the new enamy as they have so good tech they used there own elevator but it destroyed the floor why not go trough it like the wall into sacred lab
it looks like the enamy sheald gets the energy from the solider as when the sheald cone down the solider collapsed

sorry about my bad english i do my best that you guys understand me
aint easy to to write correctly if i have learned the language by my own without the help of school or others .. only internet and chat rooms from mirc

Korumera
September 27th, 2008, 05:59 AM
Loved the episode. Allready knew what was behind/in the suite so that's ok for me. It was kinda logical because they didnt act like an enemy. They only took what they needed and left. If they were so fierce and all they would have killed ppl lot's of them.

Jumper_One
September 27th, 2008, 06:02 AM
wow this was an amazing ep! loved the Rodney and Daniel scenes, especially their competition LOL. the new bad guys are amazing! the way they entered Atlantis and abducted those guys was pretty cool. we hadn't seen Zelenka for a while so that was a nice surprise. well this ep kinda focused on Rodney and Daniel so we didn't get to see much of Todd and his meeting with the Daedalus but he was great as always. Woolsey's speech was hilarious. and of course Caldwell's comment: Robert who? :P now obviously both Shep and Zelenka survived the explosion but how? all in all this was a great set up and I'm looking forward to the conclusion :D

Shaod
September 27th, 2008, 06:10 AM
Great episode, as mid season ones tend to be. It was a little fast paced, I thought. Great array of characters, they even got Caldwell and that guy who is always on the computer in the Daedalus.

It was hilarious how Woolsey spent all that time of his speech, but Todd didn't let him say it.

Also, I don't remember how Daniel and McKay were put in that "green laser" cell. All I remember is them getting shot.

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 06:15 AM
Great episode, as mid season ones tend to be. It was a little fast paced, I thought. Great array of characters, they even got Caldwell and that guy who is always on the computer in the Daedalus.

It was hilarious how Woolsey spent all that time of his speech, but Todd didn't let him say it.

Also, I don't remember how Daniel and McKay were put in that "green laser" cell. All I remember is them getting shot.
Its not that hard to imagine. They were knocked unconscious when the new aliens dragged them out of Janus' lab.

GateMan2000
September 27th, 2008, 06:21 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

Ikaros
September 27th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Great episode!!!!! Mckay and Daniel together, that's a NerdLand!!!! They make a great team to, i love them together. I love Mckay beeing heroic to. Proves that Nerds with brains can also have Guts.Caldwell and Woolsey are simply "class". Todd gets mad, finaly!!!
Keller tries to.. intelectually deal with him and manages to do so.
I loved the plot, i loved seeing Zelenka trying to solve the mystery alone and Sheppard trying to be the boss.
The new alliens where cool, and their abillities even more so.
I totaly enjoyed that episode :)

Ikaros
September 27th, 2008, 06:44 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

And i wondered when...........:)

Vala_M
September 27th, 2008, 07:08 AM
Firstly OMG what an awesome episode THIS IS THE REASON ATLANTIS SHOULD STAY ON AIR.

Had a look at the alleged cameo it does look like him with the hair and stuff can't get a clear look though.

Wow now this is what captain of that ancient ship was talking about with the weakness in the wraith tech and thats how todd knew OMFG WOW ZOMG

This possibility has been brought up hundreds of times. THERE NEVER WAS A WEAKNESS! It was misinformation to keep the captain working on the hyperdrives so the Wraith could learn about them.

And more proof that it couldn't be the weakness even if they had one was because this was SUPER TOP SECRET project that nobody knew about besides Janus. It's the equivalent of Merlin's Sangraal research.

Vala,

Cyanica
September 27th, 2008, 07:15 AM
This ep was MADE OF WIN! And I have a little list...

1) Daniel! OMG! :daniel:
2) The Wraith's identity crisis!
3) Januce's Lab! SO cool!
4) Bad Guys! Yay!
5) The planet/facility and the Endgame device.
6) Todd has the Daedalus!
7) The Daniel and McKay interaction!
8) Gate go explode!
9) Sheppard and Zelenka! Are they ded?
10) A mid season two parter, complete with the words we never want to see- to be continued.

I rest my case.

mr_kennedy
September 27th, 2008, 07:22 AM
shepards not dead, his the main character, as for zalenka i pray he survived

Devilish Me
September 27th, 2008, 07:24 AM
OMG! This episode was awesome!

The new aliens were really cool with their advanced tech gadgets, and the whole introduction was handled quite well. Althought I catched the Breen resembalance too, it doesn't matter much because it's mostly the looks, not motivations or any other traits, off course not like we know too much about those at this point. But I like the mystery aspect of it.

The Daniel and McKay interaction was made of win.
- the running jokes with the "I could have" and "Just humour me, I think I'm onto something" lines.
- when McKay says that Shep could had been in MENSA and then they both try to force their smiles back.
- Daniel's joke about 'doing it for the money'
- when McKay says that he's quite fond of himself so he should activate the device anyway sparring Daniel's sacrifice.
- how they called each other Danny and Rod on occasion.
- Daniel's try to reason with the aliens (so in character!:D)

The attero device (didn't even know that was it's name until I read this thread, I know Todd mentioned it, but I didn't catch it then) was kind of cool. I really wasn't expecting something that huge.

The wierd thing was Todd's reaction, he obviously knew about the existence of the device, but I didn't expect him to think that our team was behind it. I know it's ancient tech and it links them to it, but he could have waited for an explanation before zapping everybody. I mean it's not really a smart plan to hold a meeting with the wraith just before you try to fry them.

The sideeffect with the gate was a clever idea, even if the explosion as a cliffhanger feels a little chliséd. I'm sure Shep and Zelenka will be just fine in the next episode. But because there was a bunch of things going on the episode wich was left untied I can't wait for the conclusion.

I agree with everything you said here. It was an amazing episode, loved Daniel/McKay interaction, as well as the story line. And the moment where Zelenka says to John how he can't make the math dumb enough for Sheppard to understand :lol:



Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

I LIVE FOR SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that :)

tegalans
September 27th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

Even though I had my suspicions I still say, "holy ****".

Devilish Me
September 27th, 2008, 07:26 AM
shepards not dead, his the main character, as for zalenka i pray he survived

This could be spoiler regarding Zelenka's future with the show.


I think I read somewhere that TPTB will kill off Zelenka... though I'm not sure.

Freek
September 27th, 2008, 07:33 AM
I don't get why people are going "z0mg this is the best episode ever!!". Sure, it was pretty decent, but I wouldn't say "awesome". In my opinion too many things were rushed or they went by certain parts without explaining. For example, they show Woolsey leaving to negotiate with the Wraith, and all we see of this negotiation is a lame "speech" prank. The story was good, but the execution and the little details could have been done better.

I just hope these aliens have the goa'uld like personality the Wraith and Replicators/Asurans lacked. The masks and the fact they don't talk much doesn't really promise much...

Vala_M
September 27th, 2008, 07:35 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

I KNEW IT! Thanks for sharing.

PLEASE tell me that they will survive the end of the episode, the next commercial shows the Janus base being destroyed, I hope the Asgard survived. Does anyone know or think how we'll find out how they survived the destruction of the Asgard in "Unending"?

Vala,

Dr Lee
September 27th, 2008, 07:45 AM
I can answer the Zalenka Survival speulation....

He's in some images Mallozzi put up on his blog that were taken during the 'Vegas' shoot at the Bridge

O'Neil
September 27th, 2008, 07:51 AM
1. They weren't sure if the ship was hostile or not. The biggest reason why they didn't fire on them, because the ship flew through the shields, and as far as they know, only Ancient ships could do that. They wouldn't risk shooting ancients.

2. Ties back to the first question. The team thought the intruders could be Ancients.

3. That's mostly because everyone was confused. The crew had no idea what was happening, and pointing guns wasn't going to help diffuse the situation.

1. Well lets see... if the jumpers would have been dispatched, that would have placed the aliens in a situation to fire, or not fire, which would have answered the question if they were friendly or not.

2. Ok, so maybe they didnt want to kill them if they were ancients, but after the 3 aliens stood on that platform thing, and the shield went up, Shepperd and the team started firing.... then when Shep and the team came up on them in the hallway, they could have fired, but hesitated until the alien put his shield up, then they started firing. Now if they wouldnt have hesitated, they could have killed, (or at least wounded) the 3 aliens, and saved Daniel and Rodney.... but then there wouldnt be a storyline for the endgame machine.....

3. Actually, pointing guns would have diffused the situation, and they all wouldnt be prisoners on their own ship..... but I guess the writers wanted Keller to have a gun and fight with Ronan.

Arwis
September 27th, 2008, 07:54 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

[Spoilers] http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html[Spoilers]

Holy HOLY and one more time HOOOOOLY **** [Spoilers]I hope for Thor, but I think that they're Asgards who're trying to do smth about their current situation.[Spoilers]

Alan Wake
September 27th, 2008, 08:02 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

Wow. Thanks man ;)

hisg1fans
September 27th, 2008, 08:37 AM
Not 'The Best Episode Everrrrrr!!!!', but good. 100,000 times better than Whispers and feeling more like Stargate.

I just felt like I was being lead along the whole episode. I guess that is why they call it 'part 1', huh. ;)

My guess of who the new Aliens are? (haven't seen any spoilers) Ancients or Lucien Alliance

Gosh, we've seen a lot of 'new' enemies this season. Where are any new 'allies'?

Arwis
September 27th, 2008, 08:55 AM
Check this out for all of those wishing to find out who the new Aliens are

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Clip-From-Daniel-Jackson-s-Return-To-Stargate-Atlantis-12451.html

That's just can't be true, I always <3 those guys!

Sp!der
September 27th, 2008, 09:05 AM
thats the really first cliffhanger where i am really not sure shepperd will survive...off course he will due to his main character...but its not like that obvious like at the cliffhanger at the end of season four though. I loved everything in it....

stargateolympus
September 27th, 2008, 09:05 AM
1. Well lets see... if the jumpers would have been dispatched, that would have placed the aliens in a situation to fire, or not fire, which would have answered the question if they were friendly or not.

2. Ok, so maybe they didnt want to kill them if they were ancients, but after the 3 aliens stood on that platform thing, and the shield went up, Shepperd and the team started firing.... then when Shep and the team came up on them in the hallway, they could have fired, but hesitated until the alien put his shield up, then they started firing. Now if they wouldnt have hesitated, they could have killed, (or at least wounded) the 3 aliens, and saved Daniel and Rodney.... but then there wouldnt be a storyline for the endgame machine.....

3. Actually, pointing guns would have diffused the situation, and they all wouldnt be prisoners on their own ship..... but I guess the writers wanted Keller to have a gun and fight with Ronan.



1. Jumpers wouldn't have helped the situation, they would have made it worse. Instead of having small arms fire fights inside the pier the jumpers firing on that ship could have wrecked the entire pier. Who knows what kind of weapons that ship had. The whole city could have been destroyed from a fight with it since it was inside the shields it could do anything it wanted. Jumpers would have only made things worse.

2. They hesitated the first time because they are the good guys and good guys don't fire first and ask questions later. You don't shoot on first contact. The second time they hesitated because they can't fire while running, at least not accurately. That doorway was held open, if they had fired they could have hit Daniel or Rodney and that would have ruined everything. By the time they got into a firing position the alien had its shield raised. It was simple tactics, don't fire unless you know you can hit your target.

3. Pointing guns at Todd wouldn't have defused the end situation either. Again they are the good guys, good guys don't make their point by force. They wanted to try to get through with talk. Yes they could have pointed guns and took Todd captive for thinking Atlantis betrayed them but that would only enforce the thought that we betrayed the Wraith. The hive would have kept trying to contact Todd but when they couldn't it would have lead to a battle hive vs Daedalus and would have completely trashed our alliance. As things are now it can still be salvaged.

Halzman
September 27th, 2008, 09:12 AM
I know that I'm on the wrong thread, but I bet that the guy's in the suits are Asgard. I had read somewhere that they would be in the show and since they didn't take off their suit, as Jackson pointed out, I can only assume that they don't want the humans to know. Or they could just be an off-shoot of the ancients that stayed behind, but I doubt that because if they were ancients they wouldn't have waited for the device to be activated.

Ok... so then why would the Asgard have them turn on the device? You'd think that they would be concerned about the gate blowing up, since, well thats a pretty big problem.

And why wouldnt the ancients just return to Atlantis?

sorry... i just have a problem with people thinking that the guys in the suits are asgard.... i mean disease thats wiping out your entire race pretty much does it in for ya, and then having your planet blow up. We know all the asgard were suffering from a degenerative something or another. They obviously couldn't just keep cloning themselves.

IF the guys in the suits were asgard then a) how are they not affected by the same disease that rest of the asgard had b)if they had some type of immunity, why didnt the rest of the asgard study them to see if they could find a viable way to end there disease c)Why didnt the asgard just dial atlantis and be like "oh, btw, theres a device there that we want" after the beacon went on d)as stated above, the asgard would never use such a device, unless they could solve the gate problem, but given that Janus couldnt, I'd say that its not possible to do.

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To add to the discussion: You could kind of say that the Dakara device was also used to destroy all life, and then reseed all life in the galaxy, when the ancients were first experiencing the galaxy wide plague. So the ancients vs the plague.

I do agree that the ancients were a pretty smart bunch so to have there tech save the day at the 11th hour is actually exciting. It would be like if I was put into some ridiculous alien invasion situation, and along the way I found an alien gun locked away by someone, but it was the weapon that was the turning point in the war. I like the idea of being put into a situation and then pretty much being forced to understand something thats way beyond what you know, but you somehow apply the principles of the device to your advantage to destroy your enemy. When Carter used the Dakara weapon for example - had nooo idea what it was at first, and then just by understand the principle of what it does, used it against the replicators.

And ancient tech is the coolest. I really wish the show would go more into what the ancients did. I like hearing about the experiences and adventures during the times that they inhabited Atlantis. Like the incident with the sun and the coronal mass ejection, or there projects, etc. When todd told us about how they were able to gain 3 zpms during the war... its that kinda backstory that we dont get enough of in my opinion.

I know that TPTB said they wanted to keep the ancients mysterious, and I can understand that for there ascended form, but we shouldn't be denied to get info of the ancients from when they were human. They essentially became a new 'race' when they joined the ascended ranks.

iolanda
September 27th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Holy C**p, that was just great!

I so much enjoyed every second of this episode. Another great one in this season! WOW!

Dannyboy AND Rodney are just a great team.



I want MORE!

Halzman
September 27th, 2008, 09:26 AM
And i wondered when...........:)

Um.... my face is exactly like Daniels.


guess I was wrong but i'm definitely in shock and the only thing I can think of is wtf is going on? How did they get involved? Are they even associated with Ida or with us for that matter?

They did have devices attached to there heads and chest, possibly some sort of controlling device? I have my doubts on why they would do something like this.

And when did the asgard learn offensive/defensive tactics. That arm shield they used would be the most technological advancement on the battlefield. It would, possibly, have war turn back to hand to hand combat.

You see, ever advance in warfare is an attempt to outsmart your enemy, or level out the playing field in your favor. Its all about exploitation. Heres an example. If your an army that is strong with hand to hand, not so good with long range firing, and you have another army that is not so good with hand to hand but good with long range firing, the long range army is going to win. They can engage targets before there enemy can see them. If on the other hand, the army good in hand to hand found a away to neutralize there enemies long range capabilities, or make it inaffective, your forcing your enemy to use hand to hand to continue fighting. A shield would do that. You could rush your enemy as he fired on you and move towards him with ease, until you were in close range enough to begin fighting hand to hand. Was very very pleased to see them use that concept

Elflinn
September 27th, 2008, 09:49 AM
This might be a stupid question.

But how did the new bad guys get a hold of the device to begin with?

That is what I want to know. I guess I will have to wait for 'The Lost Tribe' to find out about that. Anyone have ideas?

Sp!der
September 27th, 2008, 09:51 AM
its me again... I missed Woolsey so much in the last episodes, and I think he was really funny in this ep again!!..."This is a historical day"...^^ lol....he is so cool and so sad again, that this show is canceled.

iolanda
September 27th, 2008, 09:56 AM
This might be a stupid question.

But how did the new bad guys get a hold of the device to begin with?

That is what I want to know. I guess I will have to wait for 'The Lost Tribe' to find out about that. Anyone have ideas?


They didn't need to get hold of the device because they had the whole lab.

O'Neil
September 27th, 2008, 10:05 AM
1. Jumpers wouldn't have helped the situation, they would have made it worse. Instead of having small arms fire fights inside the pier the jumpers firing on that ship could have wrecked the entire pier. Who knows what kind of weapons that ship had. The whole city could have been destroyed from a fight with it since it was inside the shields it could do anything it wanted. Jumpers would have only made things worse.

Whatever happened to dropping the shield? I still think a well guided and placed drone would have taken care of business.


2. They hesitated the first time because they are the good guys and good guys don't fire first and ask questions later. You don't shoot on first contact. The second time they hesitated because they can't fire while running, at least not accurately. That doorway was held open, if they had fired they could have hit Daniel or Rodney and that would have ruined everything. By the time they got into a firing position the alien had its shield raised. It was simple tactics, don't fire unless you know you can hit your target.

And thats exactly why the SGA team is always getting their butt handed to them. They dont know how to handle situations. Its a wonder their all still alive and the city hasnt been destroyed.

Good guys might not fire first and ask questions later, but smart, intelligent guys do. Maybe not fire to kill, but to at least get the situation under control.

The second time shows them clearly coming to a stop, raising their guns, and hesitating before shooting.... and the other 2 aliens were not even in the hallway.


3. Pointing guns at Todd wouldn't have defused the end situation either. Again they are the good guys, good guys don't make their point by force. They wanted to try to get through with talk. Yes they could have pointed guns and took Todd captive for thinking Atlantis betrayed them but that would only enforce the thought that we betrayed the Wraith. The hive would have kept trying to contact Todd but when they couldn't it would have lead to a battle hive vs Daedalus and would have completely trashed our alliance. As things are now it can still be salvaged.

Thats funny, cause in most of the other scenes involving Todd, theres always armed guards with guns, and Ronin is always pointing his gun at him, not trusting him.

Its extremely apparent by now that the SGA's attempts at diplomacy and talking, rather than taking control is useless and gets them into trouble every time. I guess they must like it....

Sue_Jackson
September 27th, 2008, 10:44 AM
OMG! I love this episode! :D I love Daniel and Rodney together! The banter between these two was just mind boggling. I think that it's without a doubt that both David Hewlett and Michael Shanks are fastest talkers I have ever witnessed (other than that guy who used to do the FedEx commercials :p ). I mean....watching these guys go at it back and forth was just amazing. It was like watching a talking tennis match. :p I mean...it was like the both of them had 2 gallons of coffee or something. :D

But....having Daniel and Rodney work together was just brilliant. I love how they just played off each other. I like where they were like comparing notes. How neither Daniel nor Rodney can get publicly recognized for many many things they both accomplished. And, that they're just in it for the money. Then, Rodney asks Daniel if he makes more money than he. LOL! That was cute! :D Also, love the part where Rodney has Daniel push against the wall, and then Daniel falls through. And, Daniel says to Rodney that he could've just walked through. And Rodney is like, yeah I guess. LOL! :D Then, on they alien ship. When, Rodney touches the lazy beam, Daniel mentions...oh yeah...they zap you when you touch them." And....Rodney is like....you could've told me before I touched it. And Daniel is like.....yeah I guess. :lol: I could just go on and on about Daniel and Rodney. I think they make a great team. Let's just say....I think Jack ought to be jealous. :p

Oh....yeah....then there's the rest of episode. ;)

I like John Sheppard in command. I know I'm probably in the very small minority on this. But, I think this episode proves that he can command Atlantis if he really wanted to. ;)

Oh.....I definitely think that Ronon has "intentions" for Jennifer. Notice the way he is always hanging around her, and wanting to help her. May be it's the Dex/Keller shipper in me that wants to see that. But, I just can't help noticing that. :)

And.....I'm not surprised one bit that Todd turned on them. I was never comfortable with the Lantaens having an alliance with Wraith. It just never seemed right.

And.....Lost Tribe looks really good! I cannot for two weeks! :D

Laura Dove
September 27th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Aaah, this was a great action episode. There were only two bad points: The hiding of Janus' secret lab sounded pretty lame (I wonder how no Ancient ever found it), and the whole Daniel Jackson thing. His presence was as pointless as I expected, although not as intrusive. But it would have needed only minor tweaks to have Zelenka discover Janus' lab, and wouldn't it have been great if Lorne was the one captured with McKay by the bad guys? No need for a late addition to our already known and beloved characters.

But really, what I didn't expect is how much Jackson would get on my nerves. I can't stand his constant arrogance and insulting ways. It got me one full season to like McKay, and it even isn't real arrogance but more like a protection mechanism, and he doesn't hesitate to face danger when it's REALLY necessary. But Jackson's gratuitous meanness got on my nerves. While I liked O'Neill b*tching to Woolsey in "The Return", Jackson bashing Rodney irked me big time. Is it not enough that Ronon plays seduction with Keller just to hurt him? Do we really need to send McKay into his aggressive shell again? I'm kind of hoping Todd manages to fly to Janus' facility, beam McKay into safety on board, and then destroys the place with Jackson in it. I know it won't happen, but that would make my day.

Nevertheless, this episode had more than enough wonderful moments to redeem it. I was in awe with the bad guys intrusion on Atlantis and the landing of the Todd's transport on the Daedalus. Wow, wraith know how to build majestic ships, don't they? Then Todd's speech to Keller about how the change would affect his kind was heart-breaking. Poor darling, I wanted to give him a hug. :( And then, he seemed so hurt when he believed the Atlanteans had planned to double-cross him all along! When he dropped into the command chair, he looked broken. :( On a second thought, I have a better use for Jackson: Let him be a good meal to cheer Todd.

There were a lot of great character moments, especially with Woolsey, and it was good to hear about Janus again and to see Caldwell. Zelenka had important things to do, at last! I enjoyed Keller a lot when facing Todd (THIS is exactly how I like her, medically competent and kind!), and in her interaction with Woolsey. Although I resent Ronon for playing with McKay's feelings, he was great in mistrusting both Todd to play nice and the Daedalus crew to protect Keller if something goes wrong. Todd, of course, was awesome from the start to the end, but I already said it and it is nothing new, although it was nice to see his more vulnerable side.

Finally, I was relieved McKay and Jackson didn't willingly activate the Attero device but were coerced into it, although they seemed more concerned with blowing themselves up than breaking their truce with Todd. Trust a human only as far as you can throw him, I guess. :mad:

All in all, this episode would have been perfect without throwing Jackson to our faces.

kris
September 27th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Holy Hyperdrive! I'm with SueJackson on this. I adore Shanks and Hewlett together in their well-worn characters and I'm glad I recorded the show although I don't always get around to seeing it...but if Daniel was going to visit then it was worth the watch. Thank the promos for that.

How imaginative to play with the physics of space and matter and threaten to blow everything to kingdom come in the cliffhanger ending. I don't even care if it has plot holes, if the aliens speak English, or if it's derivative of other episodes or scifi shows. I enjoyed its nail-biting, purely entertaining properties and humor. Haven't had that much fun with any scifi for a long time. Special effects are wonderful--aliens dropping out of a ship and descending into the city floor by floor. More lights and gadgets, please, enjoy them all. And more Daniel and Rodney. Even the co-plots were interesting.

Convergence ahead.

Cappy
September 27th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Don't have much to say, except this will be my "longest" wait for a new episode in a long time. Another thing to think about, Atlantis is the gateway to Earth correct? With that Stargate gone, then the only way to contact earth would be the Daedalus.

Unless the only reason it was the gateway to Earth was the power that was available to use. Could any gate dial earth? Do they just needed the ZPM's?(Talking about episode 9 of Season 1, "Home", which the "Mist" could provide power to dial Earth.)

Since the city shields around the gate fail, that would mean the ZPM's are dead now, you would think.

Infinatus
September 27th, 2008, 11:27 AM
But really, what I didn't expect is how much Jackson would get on my nerves. I can't stand his constant arrogance and insulting ways. It got me one full season to like McKay, and it even isn't real arrogance but more like a protection mechanism, and he doesn't hesitate to face danger when it's REALLY necessary. But Jackson's gratuitous meanness got on my nerves. While I liked O'Neill b*tching to Woolsey in "The Return", Jackson bashing Rodney irked me big time. Is it not enough that Ronon plays seduction with Keller just to hurt him? Do we really need to send McKay into his aggressive shell again? I'm kind of hoping Todd manages to fly to Janus' facility, beam McKay into safety on board, and then destroys the place with Jackson in it. I know it won't happen, but that would make my day.


I don't follow. How was Jackson arrogant? Let alone arrogant on a level comparable to the early McKay?

Myles
September 27th, 2008, 11:32 AM
I don't follow. How was Jackson arrogant? Let alone arrogant on a level comparable to the early McKay?

So true! And it started with McKay's arrogance that Jackson's idea was impossible since he'd been over everything already. DJ was just sending McKay's attitude back at him. Like when McKay said he 'could have' told him to just walk through the wall and then Daniel said the same thing about the laser field. You reap what you sow.

Linda06
September 27th, 2008, 11:35 AM
I don't follow. How was Jackson arrogant? Let alone arrogant on a level comparable to the early McKay?

Yeah i don't get that either...I never saw him arrogant....He tried to kinda get his own back on Rodney for trying to dismiss Daniel finding the lab and then not telling him he could have just walked through the wall.....If anything i thought McKay was kinda arrogant and dismissive towards Daniel!

Laura Dove
September 27th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I don't follow. How was Jackson arrogant? Let alone arrogant on a level comparable to the early McKay?

Early McKay was aggressive with other scientists but ultimately insecure; on the other hand, Jackson here was constantly looking down at McKay (and at Sheppard while they were trying to decrypt Janus' data) and playing "smart a$$" with acerbic lines. It's only the level of unpleasantness that is comparable between early McKay and Jackson. Jackson's behaviour was comparable to O'Neill in "The Return". But while O'Neill appeared funny because he was disparaging a character I didn't care for (Woolsey), Jackson was degrading an already insecure character (McKay).

Myles
September 27th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Early McKay was aggressive with other scientists but ultimately insecure; on the other hand, Jackson here was constantly looking down at McKay (and at Sheppard while they were trying to decrypt Janus' data) and playing "smart a$$" with acerbic lines. It's only the level of unpleasantness that is comparable between early McKay and Jackson. Jackson's behaviour was comparable to O'Neill in "The Return". But while O'Neill appeared funny because he was disparaging a character I didn't care for (Woolsey), Jackson was degrading an already insecure character (McKay).

McKay was constantly belittling Jackson as well. I think you've taken a very bias view to this one and are only seeing what Daniel did. Rodney was just as much of an ass to Daniel as he was back to Rodney.

And just because McKay is really insecure inside doesn't give him the right to act like he does and not expect it back.

Laura Dove
September 27th, 2008, 11:57 AM
And just because McKay is really insecure inside doesn't give him the right to act like he does and not expect it back.

Jackson ARRIVED with a superior look on his face, even before anybody could say a word. And of course I'm biased, I had 4 seasons to become fond of McKay while Jackson just popped up out of the blue. That's precisely what I was saying about needing one season to begin accepting McKay.

Myles
September 27th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Jackson ARRIVED with a superior look on his face, even before anybody could say a word. And of course I'm biased, I had 4 seasons to become fond of McKay while Jackson just popped up out of the blue. That's precisely what I was saying about needing one season to begin accepting McKay.

Huh? Came with a superior look? I saw the look as one of being glad to be back at Atlantis, somewhere he's wanted to be for a long time.

I personally liked their back and forth. McKay thinks he has to always be right and Daniel is someone who can get the best of him sometimes. Actually all the characters do it, but like Sam and Rodney early on, it's get a little worse since they don't interact all the time.

JackHarkness_Hot
September 27th, 2008, 12:03 PM
Now now, in the end Rodney and Daniel got/are getting along great!

EvenstarSRV
September 27th, 2008, 12:16 PM
McKay was constantly belittling Jackson as well. I think you've taken a very bias view to this one and are only seeing what Daniel did. Rodney was just as much of an ass to Daniel as he was back to Rodney.

And just because McKay is really insecure inside doesn't give him the right to act like he does and not expect it back.

I think that was my main problem with the McKay/Daniel scenes. I expected McKay to act the way he did, I guess I just didn't expect Daniel to respond in kind.

I did like some of their banter, when they were figuring out the harmonic lock to Janus's lab and when working on the Attero device. But a lot of it just felt kinda forced and unnecessary to me, especially the conversation about public recognition for their accomplishments. I guess I just never saw Daniel as being a character who would ever care about public recognition. McKay yes, Daniel not so much. It just seemed so out-of-character that it jarred me out of the scene. It kinda felt like banter for the sake of filling time instead of having some purpose.

I really enjoyed most of the rest of the episode, it was just a few of the McKay/Daniel that I just didn't care for.

Jeff O'Connor
September 27th, 2008, 12:34 PM
I think that was my main problem with the McKay/Daniel scenes. I expected McKay to act the way he did, I guess I just didn't expect Daniel to respond in kind.

I did like some of their banter, when they were figuring out the harmonic lock to Janus's lab and when working on the Attero device. But a lot of it just felt kinda forced and unnecessary to me, especially the conversation about public recognition for their accomplishments. I guess I just never saw Daniel as being a character who would ever care about public recognition. McKay yes, Daniel not so much. It just seemed so out-of-character that it jarred me out of the scene. It kinda felt like banter for the sake of filling time instead of having some purpose.

I really enjoyed most of the rest of the episode, it was just a few of the McKay/Daniel that I just didn't care for.

In my interpretation of Daniel, he became rather rough around the edges after rejoining the cast in the seventh season, and the whole Ori schpiel certainly didn't help smooth him back over. In the lattermost seasons of the show, and into the two telefilms, he seems much harder and easier to anger. He's just been through so much and had been led along like a puppy in intergalactic matters too many times.

EvenstarSRV
September 27th, 2008, 12:49 PM
In my interpretation of Daniel, he became rather rough around the edges after rejoining the cast in the seventh season, and the whole Ori schpiel certainly didn't help smooth him back over. In the lattermost seasons of the show, and into the two telefilms, he seems much harder and easier to anger. He's just been through so much and had been led along like a puppy in intergalactic matters too many times.

I did notice that he became harder and quicker to anger in the last two seasons, but even then it just felt out of character to me. Daniel is one of my favorite characters in Stargate, and one of the things I always liked about him was that he was usually not quick to anger. There was always an great earnestness and sincerity in everything he did, and Daniel in this episode (and at times in the past couple of seasons I guess) just seemed a bit too sarcastic and glib to me. :(

Oka
September 27th, 2008, 01:02 PM
9/10. Score is for Daniel Jackson.


Yeah, the episode was pretty good too =)

LoneStar1836
September 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM
I thought this was a solid episode and enjoyed it. I wouldn't call it the "best ep evah"...but it's shaping up to be a really good mid-season finale two-parter. It will not beat out The Storm/The Eye, for me, but it surpasses the others...atm.


Zelenka! Can never go wrong there. Great as usual. :D

Daniel was better in this than I thought he would be. Don't really see the purpose for him other than to get MS into a couple of eps.

Only real blight on the ep for me was Keller and that frelling ship triangle.

Somewhat interesting turn of events with Todd. I'm glad he is working all of this to his benefit...like I had always envisioned him doing since "Miller's Crossing".

Why would the Wraith want to give up hunting and feeding on humans? To me, I think they see it as a sport. Hunting humans is fun. Of course they need to feed on them to live and get whatever regeneration benefits, but it's also a form of entertainment to them, imo. Considering their view point of humans, I would not expect them to give it up just like that, even if they can snack on other foods now. The Atlantis humans are rather stupid if they really think the Wraith will actually stop hunting humans.

I have zero fear of Shep or Zelenka dying in the next ep. so no real suspense there for me other than to see how they get out unhurt. If they aren't beamed out by what is it? The Apollo? Even though it hasn't been seen in a while. Then I wonder if Zelenka could somehow flip the Atlantis shield from around the gate to around he and Sheppard to protect them from the blast. Either that or they ran really fast to the nearest transporter. :P

As to our "new" aliens...(not exactly sure why I need to bother with tags [other than for forum rules] seeing as how this thread is littered with this spoiler out in the open...not that I particularly care about spoilers anymore....)

So...these dudes are supposed to be Asgard?? Seriously? That's the best they could come up with. :rolleyes: I hope they are evil Asgard then. Good Ancients...Evil Ancients (Ori). Good Goa'uld (Tok'ra)...bad Goa'uld. What the hell, let's have some evil Asgard.

Before reading this spoiler today, I thought maybe the new aliens were possibly biologically fused to the suits or something like that. Apparently not I guess.

So we only have to wait two weeks, huh? That's nice.

ark-of-continuum
September 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM
OMG the armor-packed guys is alive A[censored]. Can't wait for Part II !!!

Wilson3Girl
September 27th, 2008, 01:25 PM
* Daniel - I've missed you! He gives as good as he gets with McKay (oh, the snark!), and his amused smile when Rodney mentioned that Sheppard could've been Mensa made me laugh. I love that he's still actively researching the Ancients.

Their interaction was the best part of the episode imho. :) They were great fun to watch!


* Teyla, Radek, Woolsey, Caldwell - good to see you. Where've you been?

Good to see ALL of those faces! I loved seeing Caldwell give Woolsey the business...."Robert who?!" Bwahahahahaha!


* Sheppard in command - love it when he gets all military.

Shep was large and in charge. I liked it.
Loved the scene with him and Zelenka and the talk about 'dumbing down' the Math......Shep didn't like that remark one bit! Shep telling Teyla to leave the gate room was powerful too. That made me think of Teyla's baby---I wondered if he was on Atlantis or off someplace with his father?


* Woolsey tells Sheppard not to blow the place up. So he promptly manages to blow up the infirmary and the gate room. Oops. :P

I liked the scene where Shepard called Rodney and told him to get out of the lab.... and then Rodney standing up and saying "Why?".... then BOOM! Bad guys enter the room. Exciting stuff. I also found it disturbing to see Daniel and Rodney being dragged off like ragdolls......ugh....scary.


* Daniel being willing to die to avoid the unforeseen side effects and Rodney struggling to shut it down when he figured out what they were.

Yes and yes. They are both awesome. I love them both. It wouldn't have worked as well--imho--if it had been Daniel alone or McKay alone (although I do agree with the poster that said it would've been nice to see McKay and Zelenka and Lorne hashing it out in that lab.) Daniel and Rodney's banter was what made those scenes interesting and enjoyable to me.

Wilson3Girl

mindfire
September 27th, 2008, 01:44 PM
I liked this episode, seeing Daniel back on Atlantis without spending all of his time in the holo room. I'm wondering whether more stargates will blow up before the device is turned off or destroyed.:ford:

Jeffala
September 27th, 2008, 01:49 PM
I liked this episode, seeing Daniel back on Atlantis without spending all of his time in the holo room. I'm wondering whether more stargates will blow up before the device is turned off or destroyed.:ford:

Too bad he can't take a vacation without 5 kinds of crap hitting the fan, though. ;)

mindfire
September 27th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Too bad he can't take a vacation without 5 kinds of crap hitting the fan, though. ;)

True

Vala_M
September 27th, 2008, 02:23 PM
And more proof that Zelenka is fine is because the promo images posted here on gateworld show Teyla helping him out of the broken mess in the control room AND Sheppard as well.

Vala,

LoneStar1836
September 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM
^^That should be in spoiler tags. ;)

Ugly Pig
September 27th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Wow.

It's not often I use the words "holy crap" about a Stargate episode. I can't remember the last time I did. This episode took me completely by surprise - since when was Atlantis ever this exciting? It's always been fun, but now it's badass. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. This was clearly the best episode in a very long time, no contest.

Holy crap.

ImmrtlofDrknss
September 27th, 2008, 03:17 PM
This episode was a 9/10.

Dr. Jackson, Todd, and the Wraith made it a 9.

Not contacting the Daedalus though and informing them that something had been stolen from Atlantis by some unknown race.

BIG MISTAKE.

They did try to contact the Daedalus, I can't remember who said it, but basically they were trying but couldn't because the Daedalus was out of range. That's why they were going to gate to the nearest planet with a gate then get to the Daedalus so they could use the Daedalus hyperdrive to get to Jackson and McKay.

Vis Uban
September 27th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I had a thought here, Atlantis may not be able to dial earth anymore. The city had a very specific control crystal in it's gate that allowed that gate, and that gate alone, to dial other galaxies. If that gate was destroyed, then the control crystal was probably destroyed too, and no replacement gate would be able to dial the Milky Way. I'm actually not sure if anyone already mentioned this, if so, sorry; 150 odd posts appeared since I last looked, and I didn't go through them all.

Jeffala
September 27th, 2008, 04:53 PM
I thought that the control crystal was in the dialing console. If Sheppard and Zelenka survived, then it most likely survived.

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 04:55 PM
I had a thought here, Atlantis may not be able to dial earth anymore. The city had a very specific control crystal in it's gate that allowed that gate, and that gate alone, to dial other galaxies. If that gate was destroyed, then the control crystal was probably destroyed too, and no replacement gate would be able to dial the Milky Way. I'm actually not sure if anyone already mentioned this, if so, sorry; 150 odd posts appeared since I last looked, and I didn't go through them all.

The control crystal is in the DHD. Home proved that when McKay said he would have to disable the DHD to get to the control crystal. And like Jeffala said if the DHD is gone then Sheppard and Zelenka are most likely toast

Vis Uban
September 27th, 2008, 05:00 PM
The control crystal is in the DHD. Home proved that when McKay said he would have to disable the DHD to get to the control crystal. And like Jeffala said if the DHD is gone then Sheppard and Zelenka are most likely toast

Good point, but the whole gate room might have been damaged in the explosion, including the DHD. It did blow out the windows, and Shepard and Zelenka could have fled to the Jumper Bay given the time allowed.

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Good point, but the whole gate room might have been damaged in the explosion, including the DHD. The explosion looked like it could have easily damaged the DHD, and Shepard and Zelenka could have fled to the Jumper Bay given the time allowed.
I suppose its possible but unlikely. I imagine an explosions as severe as you talking about would caused the tower to collapse or at least more structural damage that we saw at the end.

Nemises
September 27th, 2008, 05:06 PM
aren't these the same aliens that shepp and co encountered couple of episodes ago in a parallel universe and they were attacking atlantis ?

Briangate78
September 27th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Wow.

It's not often I use the words "holy crap" about a Stargate episode. I can't remember the last time I did. This episode took me completely by surprise - since when was Atlantis ever this exciting? It's always been fun, but now it's badass. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. This was clearly the best episode in a very long time, no contest.

Holy crap.

I predict a lot of folks are going to have to pick up their jaws from the floor after watching the part 2 episode. :)

Vis Uban
September 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM
I suppose its possible but unlikely. I imagine an explosions as severe as you talking about would caused the tower to collapse or at least more structural damage that we saw at the end.

Oh, I very much doubt that the next episode will have actually have either the DHD or the crystal damaged; I was just thinking about the established continuity and the control crystal came to mind as a possible continuity error.

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Oh, I very much doubt that the next episode will have actually have either the DHD or the crystal damaged; I was just thinking about the established continuity and the control crystal came to mind as a possible continuity error.

Once again we don't know the size of the explosion but as far as I could tell the explosion was no biggger then the one in Return II and that kept the DHD intact.

Vis Uban
September 27th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Once again we don't know the size of the explosion but as far as I could tell the explosion was no biggger then the one in Return II and that kept the DHD intact.

Very true, I was just thinking out loud. Like I said, the control crystal just came to mind when I saw the gate explode, and I forgot that the crystal was in Atlantis's DHD, rather than the gate. I am curious to see just how much damage was done to the Gateroom though.

jelgate
September 27th, 2008, 05:56 PM
Very true, I was just thinking out loud. Like I said, the control crystal just came to mind when I saw the gate explode, and I forgot that the crystal was in Atlantis's DHD, rather than the gate. I am curious to see just how much damage was done to the Gateroom though

I'm suddenly reminded of the end of Foothold

Vis Uban
September 27th, 2008, 06:00 PM
I'm suddenly reminded to the end of Foothold

LOL; I'd be funny if Shepard and Zelenka are like "Well, that wasn't so bad!" and the gateroom ends up being spotless. :)

Arative
September 27th, 2008, 06:01 PM
It was a good episode. I enjoyed seeing Daniel again. I thought the story moved along rather well and I can't wait for the second part.

I do have to say that they could put Todd in front of the cameras just reading today's newspaper and I'd still watch. That's how much I like that character!!

SpetzAU
September 27th, 2008, 06:13 PM
......
New tech! Discoveries! First contact! Now that was Stargate!
Yes. :cool:

Amalthea
September 27th, 2008, 06:19 PM
The awesomeness of that episode cannot be described by our human language! I wish I hadn't seen spoilers for the next episode, but such is life and I'll keep pretending like I don't know, which works for me.

Anyway, my Daniel! Who could be unhappy in the presence of Daniel!? It was so nice to see him again! :daniel: I loved his banter with McKay since they do have a history and all that.

Those alien guys are cool. I guess they need those suits to protect against all the radiation coming from Stargates. They sure are paranoid, though.

Woolsey also cracked me up. Poor guy trying to be all epic and poignant and Todd cuts him off. I saw it coming, but it still amused me. He's so old school sometimes.

Todd's weapon is interesting. Why he decided not to feed on the bridge crew baffles me, but I guess they're good to have around should he not be able to work out all the technology and such and such.

And then kaboom! That poor control room. It takes such abuse.

Anyway, awesome episode! Can't wait until the next one!!

Infinatus
September 27th, 2008, 07:09 PM
aren't these the same aliens that shepp and co encountered couple of episodes ago in a parallel universe and they were attacking atlantis ?

They look and act completely different, and their technology is also very different.

Infinatus
September 27th, 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm suddenly reminded of the end of Foothold

Yeah, by Outsiders the gateroom should be as good as new. Though I wonder if the 8th chevron dialing crystal will be gone permanently.

crowmagnumman
September 27th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I don't think we've had an Atlantis episode this good in quite a while. There was some really cool stuff in here. The attack on Atlantis by the three suits was pretty awesome. It was great seeing Daniel Jackson. He and Jack are still my favorite Stargate characters. I was impressed that they didn't ruin his character and kept him fairly true to form. McKay and Daniel had some decent chemistry together.

Todd's knock-out device was cool. But they better not kill off Caldwell, aka Skinner. That would just completely ruin the next episode for me. Of course Shepard is fine, but I hope Zalenka is fine too. Crazy to see the whole gate room exploding. That doesn't happen very often, so it will be interesting to see how they recover from that and where they get a new gate.

And you know what else I liked? Not one Canadian forest world! Instead we get an ice world. Very cool.

Atlantis has been getting pretty stale I think. I was still watching, as any hardcore SG fan would, but it seemed like it could be better. First Contact was significantly better than most episodes. I was impressed. Can't wait to see Lost Tribe, even though I've already spoiled myself as to who's in the suits. Just makes me all the more excited.

GateofDOOM
September 27th, 2008, 08:06 PM
So the gate exploded. Does it mean they lost the control chrystal to dial Earth? Because it seems they can use only the gate bridge to reach MW, if they will ever rebuild it again.

:eek: If only, IF ONLY, they would somehow do this!!
But hey, they drained the ZPM anyway so it's not really gonna matter if the control crystal was destroyed or not. Still can't dial earth. Yes, I'm one of those "The less contact the better" people.

Even if they don't, Atlantis without a gate has still got a problem on their hands.



It was nice to see the Atlantis Expedition actually explore their ancient, vast storehouse of knowledge once again! And I agree with the other people who said that this story line should've come much much much sooner. Season Three at the latest, definitely would've been better than the asuran-replicator-jigamathings. :mckay:

That said, this episode still didn't blow me away, call me crazy or whatever but I think that the "flow" (I guess, the editing) was off. There might be some payoff next episode though so I'll have to wait to see it in it's whole.

Oh and the Daniel banter seemed odd, I didn't think McKay would get under Daniel's skin so easy (I thought that was just Vala). Still he handled him better than most people who initially meet him so maybe I'm underestimating the annoyingness that is McKay. :P
(Hey! I like him.)

And oh boy! Daniel sure knows how to find trouble eh? ;)

EvenstarSRV
September 27th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Anyway, my Daniel! Who could be unhappy in the presence of Daniel!? It was so nice to see him again! :daniel: I loved his banter with McKay since they do have a history and all that.

McKay and Daniel have a history? I thought the only times they had interacted was briefly in Rising part 1 and the Pegasus Project? Granted I still haven't seen most of SGA season 3, so I may just not have seen it yet.


Woolsey also cracked me up. Poor guy trying to be all epic and poignant and Todd cuts him off. I saw it coming, but it still amused me. He's so old school sometimes.


I liked that part too. Woolsey was hilarious and Todd is just made of awesome. :)

Shan Bruce Lee
September 27th, 2008, 08:29 PM
aren't these the same aliens that shepp and co encountered couple of episodes ago in a parallel universe and they were attacking atlantis ?

There are a bunch of posts in this thread that spoil who it is. If you go back you can find it, just please don't repeat it without spoiler tags please.

Kritter
September 27th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Re Shep
First Woolsey tells him not to blow the place up,
then Daniel and McKay laugh at his MENSAness
and finally, Zelenka tells him he's too dumb to understand the math...
He's Rodney Dangerfield in this episode,
He don't get no respect!!! :(:p:)

kanadra
September 27th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I had just gotten off work and saw the replay at 11pm i have to admit i was on the edge of my seat most of the time.

Ramses818
September 27th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Did we find out who the new baddies are? I don't have SciFi :(


Check out youtube for a spolier clip

Ramses818
September 27th, 2008, 10:09 PM
This episode was a 9/10.

Dr. Jackson, Todd, and the Wraith made it a 9.

Not contacting the Daedalus though and informing them that something had been stolen from Atlantis by some unknown race.

BIG MISTAKE.


They said in the episode that they were out of range for communications with the Dedaulas

Ramses818
September 27th, 2008, 10:14 PM
The power that the Atero device must use is tremenadous. They must have a way of powering it which Atlantis could take to help power the city.

I think that the troopers in the episode where left there to await the return of Janus to finish the project once he corrected the problem. They just got a little carried away and forgot what they were protecting and what its result was.

Although I can speculate based off of spoilers that they may have been trying to end the war on their own, and perhaps use the technology for themselves. To further their own species.

The aliens have some really cool armor, the SGA crew should get some.

randy23
September 27th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Early McKay was aggressive with other scientists but ultimately insecure; on the other hand, Jackson here was constantly looking down at McKay (and at Sheppard while they were trying to decrypt Janus' data) and playing "smart a$$" with acerbic lines. It's only the level of unpleasantness that is comparable between early McKay and Jackson. Jackson's behaviour was comparable to O'Neill in "The Return". But while O'Neill appeared funny because he was disparaging a character I didn't care for (Woolsey), Jackson was degrading an already insecure character (McKay).

I think from the beginning Daniel wanted to go straight to work, and find out whether or not his theory of a secret lab was correct. All I saw from Daniel was restraint from Rodney's flagrant skepticism, which was in part warranted but largely fueld by Rodney's insecurities as being the supposed Ancient expert of Atlantis; he was constantly beligerent and sarcastic. That's normal for Rodney but not at the expense of trying to find new technoogy. Daniel understood Rodney's doubts but not his competitive nature and even tried to find some common ground as scientists and expressing not caring for recognition. Rodney just couldn't bear another individual stepping on his "turf", Daniel, who by the way has a knack of uniquely understanding the scope of a situation --I mean, Rodney actually thought Janus would simply broadcast his secret lab in a PUBLIC report.

Finger13
September 27th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Awesome episode, but...

Am I the only one who gets extremely anxious when our stuff gets stolen? First Midway, now the Daedalus. Ugh! Screw the Atlantis gate room, I hate seeing Wraith on the Daedalus.

And how retarded is Todd? Why would we let him witness the destruction of two of his ships if we had intended for that to happen, and then stand there innocently as he figured it out?

I'm mad! The Daedalus had better not be used against us!

And as if we wouldn't search him before getting on one of our ships.

But it was a great episode, I can't wait for the sequel.

Jeyla4ever
September 27th, 2008, 11:12 PM
I just watched 10 minutes ago...and I"m speechless and wordless...I"m WOW!!! WOW!!!
I'll write more when I have more coherent thoughts! WOOOOWSA! Only thing, I missed Teyla. We need more Teyla!!!

Commander Zelix
September 27th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Thats more like it!!!

Great episode after 3 dreadfully dull one in a row. This episodes had all the mysteries and wonders that we grew to love from Stargate. Contrary to the last few episodes, you didn't know, and wanted to know, what was going to happen next.

Laura Dove
September 28th, 2008, 12:06 AM
I think from the beginning Daniel wanted to go straight to work, and find out whether or not his theory of a secret lab was correct. All I saw from Daniel was restraint from Rodney's flagrant skepticism, which was in part warranted but largely fueld by Rodney's insecurities as being the supposed Ancient expert of Atlantis; he was constantly beligerent and sarcastic. That's normal for Rodney but not at the expense of trying to find new technoogy. Daniel understood Rodney's doubts but not his competitive nature and even tried to find some common ground as scientists and expressing not caring for recognition. Rodney just couldn't bear another individual stepping on his "turf", Daniel, who by the way has a knack of uniquely understanding the scope of a situation --I mean, Rodney actually thought Janus would simply broadcast his secret lab in a PUBLIC report.

But actually, McKay's reaction is right: He, or any of the Atlantis team, should have been the ones who discovers the lab, not Daniel Jackson having what, a revelation while looking at the ceiling? I highly doubt Janus would write anything down about his secret lab after the Ancients left the Pegasus galaxy. What would have made more sense is if someone on Atlantis had found an encrypted file and managed to decipher it.

McKay was doubly victim of bad writing: TPTB dismissed his knowledge of Atlantis to find an artificial way to bring Jackson to Atlantis and let him be the one who gets the praise of discovering the lab, and then Jackson had to jeer at him to show off.

Fortunately, the rest of the episode was awesome enough to make up for it, but still, the Jackson part was even worse that what I had prepared me for.


And how retarded is Todd? Why would we let him witness the destruction of two of his ships if we had intended for that to happen, and then stand there innocently as he figured it out?


The Daedalus crew might not have been aware of Atlantis intentions.
The Daedalus was the only available way to fly to Janus' facility and disable the Attero device.
The Daedalus crew probably wouldn't have accepted to fly Todd there, at least not without loosing a lot of time in pointless discussions.

fumblesmcstupid
September 28th, 2008, 12:44 AM
I was laughing when the aliens all started to speak.......ENGLISH!:teyla30::weiranime33::eek:

Linzi
September 28th, 2008, 01:58 AM
Yeah i don't get that either...I never saw him arrogant....He tried to kinda get his own back on Rodney for trying to dismiss Daniel finding the lab and then not telling him he could have just walked through the wall.....If anything i thought McKay was kinda arrogant and dismissive towards Daniel!
I'm going to agree with you here. As someone who didn't particularly wish for Danny to come to Atlantis, I actually ended up enjoying him on the show! :lol: But, I did think Rodney looked a little .... well, overbearing, grumpy and unfriendly. He seemed really insecure around Daniel, always wanting to take control and show he knew more than Jackson. Maybe McKay was just defending his territory? Bless him. But he did seem a little more annoying than usual. Don't get me wrong, I like arrogant, snarky McKay, but at times I wanted to say 'Be nice, Rodney!' :lol: Mind you, Daniel handled him really well.

I was disappointed Daniel didn't get the chance to interact with anyone else, just McKay. That's a shame, IMO. Sometimes I just get the impression that TPTB give all the good stuff to McKay, and it really does annoy me on occasion. There are other characters too... :rolleyes:

I did enjoy the story though. Loved the new aliens. Loved how they just stormed in and took what they wanted; how they were uncompromising.

Loved Todd. I'm glad he's showing his wraith side again. He feels he's been betrayed, and hell hath no fury like a wraith scorned! :eek: The danger with Todd, was making him too friendly with the team. Now things have gone pear shaped and I loved seeing the angry Todd. I did enjoy his moments with Keller when he philosophically asked what the wraith would become, what would they do? Very well done.

As usual, Sheppard didn't really have much to do of substance here. Just left at home, playing boss - though I did enjoy his scenes with Zelenka. The two work well together, IMO. It was, of course, nice to see Zelenka here. He's a great character, IMO. I did enjoy the scene where Sheppard fell asleep reading his book, and did enjoy him pleading with Teyla to leave the control room.


So, overall I did enjoy First Contact. It was an entertaining mid season finale, full of tension and excitement, with just, perhaps, a little too much Daniel/McKay dialogue for my liking. I like my season finales to be team episodes, and I didn't get that feeling AGAIN! The team keeps being split up, and though sometimes that's good, it's been happening far too much for my liking in season 5, and as this is our last season....hmmm, it makes me feel a little sad. :(

bluealien
September 28th, 2008, 02:58 AM
I'm going to agree with you here. As someone who didn't particularly wish for Danny to come to Atlantis, I actually ended up enjoying him on the show! :lol: But, I did think Rodney looked a little .... well, overbearing, grumpy and unfriendly. He seemed really insecure around Daniel, always wanting to take control and show he knew more than Jackson. Maybe McKay was just defending his territory? Bless him. But he did seem a little more annoying than usual. Don't get me wrong, I like arrogant, snarky McKay, but at times I wanted to say 'Be nice, Rodney!' :lol: Mind you, Daniel handled him really well.

I wasn't really looking forward to Daniel either as I knew he would get a big chunk of screentime, therefore taking time away from the SGA characters. But I ended up loving Daniel and didnt find him arrogant in the slightest. Though I can't say the same for McKay. I agree that he seemed insecure and snarky around Daniel... maybe he doesnt like to think that anyone can outdo him, so he turned into rude and arrogant McKay again, the side of him I don't really like at all. But McKay seems to think he's top dog and makes that known to Zelenka on enough occasions.
But I still loved their interaction though it would be nice to see Rodney trying to be nice for a change and less of the childish attitude.



I was disappointed Daniel didn't get the chance to interact with anyone else, just McKay. That's a shame, IMO. Sometimes I just get the impression that TPTB give all the good stuff to McKay, and it really does annoy me on occasion. There are other characters too... :rolleyes:

Well I've sorta resigned myself to the fact that Rodney is the centre of the ptb's universe now, along with Keller. I have given up expecting the same sort of stuff for the other characters.


I did enjoy the story though. Loved the new aliens. Loved how they just stormed in and took what they wanted; how they were uncompromising.
Me too. It had loads of twists and turns and some excellent special effects. The new aliens were amazing and I was pretty much riveted to my seat for the entire ep...:)



Loved Todd. I'm glad he's showing his wraith side again. He feels he's been betrayed, and hell hath no fury like a wraith scorned! :eek: The danger with Todd, was making him too friendly with the team. Now things have gone pear shaped and I loved seeing the angry Todd. I did enjoy his moments with Keller when he philosophically asked what the wraith would become, what would they do? Very well done.

I'm glad that there is tension again between Todd and the team and that he thinks they betrayed him. Todd was becoming a tad too nice and I like seeing his dark side but can still sympathise with him. He is just doing what he has to to survive.


As usual, Sheppard didn't really have much to do of substance here. Just left at home, playing boss
Sheppard NEVER gets enough to do IMO... and his character is woefully underused.. such a shame but the ptb can't seem to come up with more for him to do..



- though I did enjoy his scenes with Zelenka. The two work well together, IMO. It was, of course, nice to see Zelenka here. He's a great character, IMO. I did enjoy the scene where Sheppard fell asleep reading his book, and did enjoy him pleading with Teyla to leave the control room.

Great scenes.. I love Zelenka, and Radek outdid Shep in the messy hair department.. Their scenes were very tense and I loved John's plea to Teyla to leave. Again Teyla suffers from the same syndrome as Shep, not utilised enough. Keller seems to have taken over the leading lady role but she seems less like a CMO these days and more like a cheerleader.



So, overall I did enjoy First Contact. It was an entertaining mid season finale, full of tension and excitement, with just, perhaps, a little too much Daniel/McKay dialogue for my liking. I like my season finales to be team episodes, and I didn't get that feeling AGAIN! The team keeps being split up, and though sometimes that's good, it's been happening far too much for my liking in season 5, and as this is our last season....hmmm, it makes me feel a little sad. :(

It was a very well executed episode with a great pace and good story telling but as soon as I heard Daniel would be on board I knew he and McKay would get the lions share of screentime, but Daniel was a pleasure to watch and in fact highlighted even more for me why I'm not that fond of McKay. But the team eps have been lacking for most of Season five and I agree it is a shame. There was no need to bring in Keller IMO... the writers have 4 main characters that they don't use enough but somehow they don't seem to know what to do with them, so their answer is to keep bringing in new charactes.. I was very happy with the ones we had but this is the last season and unfortunately I think the lack of team episodes is going to continue.

But overall First Contact was an excellent episode. Probably the best of the season, though Search and Rescue is still my favourite as the teaminess of that episode put it a notch ahead of First Contact...:)

ykickamoocow
September 28th, 2008, 04:00 AM
Sheppard NEVER gets enough to do IMO... and his character is woefully underused.. such a shame but the ptb can't seem to come up with more for him to do..


Your joking right. Sheppard gets alot to do and he is the one that gets to save the day 90% of the time.

Raj_2006
September 28th, 2008, 04:13 AM
All i can say is "I Love this episode!" :D

Lord Doros
September 28th, 2008, 04:22 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't really like Daniel anymore? He's become uncaring, and sarcastic. Like Jack, but in a bad way. I think it was ever since the Ancients refused to help against the Ori. Now he seems to have stopped being so passionate about his work and helping people. Even all during Continuum he was cracking sarcastic remarks, swearing, and generally being down about everything. Or maybe it's Shanks whos lost his passion.

Laura Dove
September 28th, 2008, 04:39 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't really like Daniel anymore? He's become uncaring, and sarcastic. Like Jack, but in a bad way. I think it was ever since the Ancients refused to help against the Ori. Now he seems to have stopped being so passionate about his work and helping people. Even all during Continuum he was cracking sarcastic remarks, swearing, and generally being down about everything. Or maybe it's Shanks whos lost his passion.

I completely agree! And as I don't even have previous attachment to the character, I found him really unpleasant.

GateTrek2004
September 28th, 2008, 04:48 AM
You knew the device's critical side-effect before Rodney even explained it? I doubt it.

I did not UNTIL they Cut to Sheppard Boarding the Jumper just before dailing the gate!

GateTrek2004
September 28th, 2008, 04:52 AM
What's going to happen when the SGC activates their gate? They use the gate all the time, and the Iris won't protect them from that kind of explosion.

Im thinking this is contained to the PG only, as MWG is far away.