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September 4th, 2008, 09:03 PM
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The team comes to the aid of a village under Wraith threat, but Ronon and McKay must rescue one of their own when Dr. Keller is kidnapped.

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Pandora's_Box
September 19th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Details! Details! Details! Details! Details! Details! Details!

Vala_M
September 19th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Very cool! Reminded me of "Runner" somewhat.

Vala,

SamJackShipper93
September 19th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Oh, great ep! Love the Ronon/Keller/Rodney Trio! They're just so much fun to watch! Nice ending, too! Can't wait to see what happens!

Man, with all the incredible episodes this season, I can't possibly have a favorite! :)

Skydiver
September 19th, 2008, 08:08 PM
better than the last few. some detail and depth into things

my biggest beef? unrequited geek 'wuv' is painful

i liked keller fighting (sparring lessons) and there was no whining.

i enjoyed it, as opposed to th queen which i found boring and whispers that was just bad

Briangate78
September 19th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Found this episode surprisingly entertaining. Characters had a few surprises to them, and Keller was really great in this episode. I loved the last scene at the end. Ronon was totally teasing Mckay, he does not have an interest in her. Anyway, good episode filled with action, a few surprises and some fun and dramatic character moments.

EvenstarSRV
September 19th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Grrrr, I got called away and missed the last 10 minutes. Anybody mind describing what happened? I can't stay up for the repeat showing. :(

Pandora's_Box
September 19th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Found this episode surprisingly entertaining. Characters had a few surprised to them, and Keller was really great in this episode. I loved the last scene. Ronon was totally teasing Mckay, he does not have an interest in her. Anyway, good episode filled with action, a few surprises and some fun and dramatic character moments.

Brian, you can fanwank with the best of us. I want you on my team.

But seriously?

Teslan
September 19th, 2008, 08:10 PM
"Coolest new tech of the season award" goes hands down to the biotech transporter device.

Pandora's_Box
September 19th, 2008, 08:11 PM
better than the last few. some detail and depth into things

my biggest beef? unrequited geek 'wuv' is painful

i liked keller fighting (sparring lessons) and there was no whining.

i enjoyed it, as opposed to th queen which i found boring and whispers that was just bad

How unrequited in unrequited? Like completely and totally and there's no chance in hell because she's in love with her sparring instructor?

Or just mildly because they didn't really have too many scenes together.

I know. I'm fixating. For once, I think I'm allowed to be the irrational fangirl.

Ancavge
September 19th, 2008, 08:11 PM
yeah i like this episode so cool watching that guy teleport while fighting those wraith too bad he sacrifice himself for the others, hope he still alive but not as a runner again.

_Famrir_
September 19th, 2008, 08:12 PM
i thought this was a really good episode along with the rest of season 5 though i thought the teleporter was one of the coolest personal devices ever created in stargate

dasNdanger
September 19th, 2008, 08:14 PM
The episode was exciting enough... but the Wraith body count was beyond ridiculous. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Wraith fan. You have about two dozen or more Wraith up against 4 adult humans and an unconscious child. Do the math. :rolleyes:

Did anyone else experience jumps in the editing or something? I'm not sure if it was my satellite signal (didn't behave like a satellite problem), or what. I recorded it on two DVRs, will check my second one to see if there's problems with that recording. Weather's clear, so shouldn't have had a problem.

Anyway - back to the episode. Had some good moments, the end between Ronon and Rodney was great, as was much of the interaction between them throughout. Dude was cool. Kid was cute. The Wraith were all very beautiful, but way too easily disposed of.

I'll deal with it.


das

Landers
September 19th, 2008, 08:14 PM
I gave up at the 30 minute mark as Keller was grating on my nerves. Heard she turned into kung fu mama at the end.

Glad I missed it.

Wolf O'Donnell
September 19th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Great Episode. I hope we see Kiryk in the Atlantis movie. Keller is really coming into her own and i actually really like the love triangle with Keller, Rodney and Ronon.

Season 5 has been fantastic so far.

Briangate78
September 19th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Brian, you can fanwank with the best of us. I want you on my team.

But seriously?

What makes a good in depth written episode? When the fans don't get a straight answer from the episode and have to dig a little and think.

I am going to stick with my guns and say Ronon was teasing Mckay. :p

Landers
September 19th, 2008, 08:16 PM
"Coolest new tech of the season award" goes hands down to the biotech transporter device.

SG1 had something like that. You went outta phase and could move around. Its just copying SG1 again.

Sue_Jackson
September 19th, 2008, 08:17 PM
So....who's gonna win Jennifer's heart? :)

Ronon or Rodney?? :D

Loved the ending! :D I thought that was the best part of the whole episode. A little love triangle. As a shipper, I'm loving this. :D I think I want to see Ronon end up with Jennifer. :)

Thought the rest of the episode was pretty dull. Though, I did love seeing Jennifer get tough, and stronger. When she killed that Wraith that almost fed on the girl, I was like WTG Jennifer! :D And....I was quite impressed with her hand-to-hand combat. ;)

OakRidge
September 19th, 2008, 08:17 PM
"Coolest new tech of the season award" goes hands down to the biotech transporter device.

It was a good introduction to the new species that will show up in the next episode.

Briangate78
September 19th, 2008, 08:17 PM
I gave up at the 30 minute mark as Keller was grating on my nerves. Heard she turned into kung fu mama at the end.

Glad I missed it.

Well that stinks, you missed some great action scenes and some good dramatic moments at the end.

Teslan
September 19th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Grrrr, I got called away and missed the last 10 minutes. Anybody mind describing what happened? I can't stay up for the repeat showing. :(

I'm in a similar boat, I missed the first half. Last ten minutes, in spoilers just in case:

Ronon and Rodney meet up with Kiryk and Keller as they make their way back to the gate. Ronon and Kiryk beat each other up, and Keller has to stop them, explaining that Kiryk wasn't intending to harm her but was only looking out for the child. They discuss what to do next as they all go together, and Keller hands Rodney the transport device. He fixes it somehow, and Kiryk decides to use to act as a distraction. He beats up a few Wraith on his way to the DHD, but after he enters an address all the Wraith are upon him and he runs through, followed by several scout ships. Ronon looks dismayed, because he really thought they could help him. They go back, help the little girl. At the very end Rodney confronts Ronon about whether or not he has romantic intentions towards Keller. Ronon toys with him for awhile, but in the end they agree to let the girl decide for herself.

Wolf O'Donnell
September 19th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I gave up at the 30 minute mark as Keller was grating on my nerves. Heard she turned into kung fu mama at the end.

Glad I missed it.

What exactly did she do to make you skip half the episode? I honestly think this was a great episode.

ladyjanus
September 19th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Okay, this could get me heaps of grief from the Keller haters, but I am learnin' to like the character, more and more... hardly any whining, couragous in the faceof her kidnapper but with enough sense to know when to shut up, killing wraith, and Holy Hannah, the girl can fight. Who knew?

I liked this ep. Nice to see Ronan and Rodney together without the rest of the team for once. GREAT fights, all round. And lots of Rodney-in-action - Rodney running, Rodney jumping, Rodney shooting wraith, with one hand AND bouncing on one foot, not to mention sharing some of his childhood memories (Beaver Scout. she snickers).

Nice bit of character work in the last scene, too. A little Rodney/Ronan respect. It's about time.

APFW
September 19th, 2008, 08:22 PM
I gave this episode a B. I loved the action, Kiryk, and the Ronon/Rodney pairing. I also do not think Ronon is serious about Keller. My favorite episodes are S&R, Daedalus Variations and the Queen. No Teyla, again! UGH!

aboleyn24
September 19th, 2008, 08:23 PM
I think I really loved this episode, even if it had almost no Sheppard. I found it really entertaining, fun and exciting. I thought Keller was great. No whining at all. They finally seem to have found a way to write for her. I've never been a Keller hater as a big fan of Jewel Staite, but I did tend to think she wasn't being given the best material. This was a great episode for her.

I loved Ronon and Rodney in the woods. Fantastic. We don't get enough interaction between these two. They really play well off one another.

I liked the storyline with the new runner. His teleportation device was facinating. Too bad Rodney didn't get to keep it and play with it.

Little bit of Sheppard to apease me towards the end. Then my favorite scene, the end bit with Ronon and Rodney. I know that there has been a whole lot of angst and worry about this "love triangle", but I really loved that scene. Ronon's smile was priceless. Rodney handled himself really well, honorable. I thought it was very well done.

Vala_M
September 19th, 2008, 08:23 PM
Very nice episode. As I said before, it reminded me of "Runner" - with the kidnapping, tying up Keller's waking up finding him going through her stuff like what happened with Sheppard and Teyla by Ronon in "Runner" and such. I was figuring we'd have a tracking device removal surgery or close to it. I wonder if the Wraith changed the tracking devices in runners after Ronon got his removed.

McKay memorizing the name of the drug was funny, at first, I didn't realize what that was about but later on it made sense.

The McKay-Ronon-Keller love thing is funny. I wasn't expecting Ronon to go along and I thought "Oh no!" at first but it was good he came since the Wraith ended up coming.

I'm glad we finally got to see another Runner. The transporter device was interesting. Wonder who made it. I thought it looked Wraith especially with the wrapping around part but the Wraith don't have that sort of thing.

The usual kidnapping "I didn't think you'd agree" reason for kidnapping.

I did enjoy the use of the SG-1 forest in this episode. I have been missing it. Usually, Atlantis films in a different forest.

Why wasn't Sheppard involved in the episode much? I have noticed the past few episodes have mostly centered on one or two characters together and the rest of the team seems to not be around much. I wish that we got more team interactions in the last season. Maybe it will pickup in the second half of the season, I don't expect the next episode to have team interactions as it seems to be a McKay-Daniel episode but I could be wrong.

Where's Woolsey? I know he's only in 14 out of 20 episodes but they are having too many in a row that he's absent from. I guess no matter who they have in the position, the Atlantis commander doesn't have much of a role compared to the SGC commanders.

Glad to see some more Wraith ground fighting.

I was thinking that Keller was intending to kill the guy instead of just disabling the tracking device but she really did save him.

Much the same story as Ronon as I said before.

I hated that I wrote this out of order but that was the order that was going through my mind.

I'm sure that Ronon was just playing around with McKay at the end or he'd made a move on her before now.

Vala,

Ruffles
September 19th, 2008, 08:24 PM
An interesting ep. Not my favorite but not bad. I miss seeing the team together.

Good stuff
* out helping the people of the galaxy - I really like the idea of them lending a hand. Great power=great responsibility and all that
* teleportation device - COOL! Loved the wriggly things when he put it back on. I'd like to meet the race he got that from
* improved tracking devices - guess the Wraith learned something after Ronon escaped their clutches. Fusing to the spine and brain stem - yikes!
* defibbing the device - I have no idea if it would really work, but it was an inventive idea
* Kerik (?) sacrificing himself - OK, I saw it coming a mile away but it was still noble
* Ronon saving the doll - big softie
* Ronon and Rodney adventure - the true odd couple - they make me laugh. The bone in Rodney's soup that Ronon gnawed on - hee!
* Keller - loved her here. Tough, protective, sure of what she was doing, the voice of reason

Not so good
* Team! Where'd the team go? No mention of Teyla? A cameo by Sheppard? Who's in charge of this expedition?
* It irritates me when Rodney is written as the comic relief. He's been in the field 5 years now and he's still struggling to reload a 9 mil? The constant conversation with Ronon about how eventually Ronon will need his skills (which never happens in the ep except with the teleportation device).
* While I found the ep moderately interesting, I wasn't drawn into the story. Lots of talking and running around in the woods.
* I do love Ronon and Rodney adventures, but this one could have been better. Running around in the woods does not favor them. Escaping a hive ship did. Being trapped in an Ancient outpost with the Wraith/Genii/new enemy of the week hunting them would. But watching Ronon track while McKay asks questions is not the best use of their rather unique relationship.

Jury's still out
* I will admit it - I'm a closet McKay/Keller fan. The little scene in the infirmary when Jennifer is impressed with Ronon - the look on Rodney's face was heartbreaking. I do admire that he had the guts to talk to Ronon about it although it's obvious (to me) he doesn't think he has a chance. Romance is a part of everyday life, and I'm not opposed to seeing it (minimally) on SGA, but I wish they'd not left it hanging. It's not something I want to see every week. And I was wondering if Ronon was serious at the end or if he was just teasing McKay....

Overall, not a bad ep. Better than Whispers but not as gripping as most of the other eps have been this season.

farscapegatter
September 19th, 2008, 08:25 PM
Watching and half way though I thought, this is pretty good. Usually don't like Keller but she improved for me this episode. No whining and I loved her fighting. Way to go girl.

Loved the sexy runner and hope he returns. Great eye candy. I have an idea, maybe Keller will hook up with him. *gigglesnort*

-Farscapegatter

Teslan
September 19th, 2008, 08:25 PM
It was a good introduction to the new species that will show up in the next episode.

Gah! Don't tell me that, I was staying mostly spoiler-free.


SG1 had something like that. You went outta phase and could move around. Its just copying SG1 again.

For the millionth time, scifi often reuses similar concepts. Part of what made this tech so nifty was that it looked to be organic.

Teslan
September 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Watching and half way though I thought, this is pretty good. Usually don't like Keller but she improved for me this episode. No whining and I loved her fighting. Way to go girl.

Loved the sexy runner. Great eye candy. Hope he returns. I have an idea. Maybe Keller will hook up with him. *gigglesnort*

-Farscapegatter

You laugh, but that was what I was thinking halfway through. How ironic it would be for Ronon and Rodney to squabble over who gets to save her only to have her fall for her kidnapper.

Wolf O'Donnell
September 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM
SG1 had something like that. You went outta phase and could move around. Its just copying SG1 again.

The Sodan Cloak made you invisible while in this episode the armband allowed the user to teleport short distances.
Although i agree that Atlantis does reuse a lot of SG1 ideas but lets not just say that everything Atlantis does is a rip off of SG1 when they didn't.

kanadra
September 19th, 2008, 08:30 PM
I thought this was a great episode. Keller showing more strength. McKay and Ronon Having to work together as they viv for Keller.
I know keller always gets kidnaped in the woods. but i think its working for her.lol..
As for the end i loved it when McKay asked Ronon if he was interested in Keller. that was priceless.
For not having the whole team this was much better then Trio.

RodneyIsGodney
September 19th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Rodney and Keller kicked ass! Each taking out 2 wraith! Wicked!


All in all... much better than The Queen which is not really my type of ep...I can't wait to see it again! ...next week.:mckay:

Wolf O'Donnell
September 19th, 2008, 08:37 PM
It was a good introduction to the new species that will show up in the next episode.

Are you sure? I haven't seen anything that says they tie into the new species in the next episode and the wrist band does not really fit with the look of the new species.

I figured the wrist band came from one of the more advanced human civilizations we will meet in Inquisition. I figure just like Ronon's gun was from the Travelers and maybe all the Runners end up getting Advanced Tech to help avoiding the Wraith.

Ancavge
September 19th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Rodney and Keller kicked ass! Each taking out 2 wraith! Wicked!


All in all... much better than The Queen which is not really my type of ep...I can't wait to see it again! ...next week.:mckay:

the tracker episode come on again in less then 30mins

jenks
September 19th, 2008, 08:40 PM
A lot better than I thought it was going to be, the McKay-Ronon banter was actually pretty good in this episode, it's normally just Ronon taking the piss out of McKay and Rodney just being made to look like a ****. I'd of preferred it if it had been Teyla giving Keller sparring lessons, but I suppose they went with Ronon for the ship thing, overall I enjoyed it, much better than The Queen IMO.

Stormtrooper
September 19th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Runner meets Missing. I was right.

Oh yeah, I'm sick and tired of those ****ing trees :'(

the fifth man
September 19th, 2008, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I definitely enjoyed this episode way more than I thought I would. I don't know, from the preview for it, I wasn't too impressed. I was glad to be proven wrong.

Really great Ronon/McKay interactions in this one.

kufan76
September 19th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Ok, first the teaser trailer...the whole "one will live, one will die" line, so who died exactly? The runner? We don't know he died. For all we know he dialed an address where he's set up a bunch of traps. The teaser was a complete waste.

The episode was pretty good, could have been better. It would have been more interesting if it'd been one super hard to kill wraith instead of a bunch of wraith wimps.

The episode does seem to be filled with plot points from a variety of other eps.

I didn't like the whole reason why they were off-world. First, even if Rodney was trying to spend more time with her, why would she be the only medical person to go?

I like the whole transportation device thing, it would have been cool, if he had given keller or rodney the GATE ADDRESS to where he got the device from!

Keller wasn't nearly as annoying as usual, although I laughed when the runner threatened to stun her if she didn't stop whining asking questions...That should have been done a long time ago! Another thing about keller is, a "few sparring sessions" is enough to take out a wraith hunter? Not believable at all.

I have to admit, I was hoping they'd kill her off in this ep and bring back Carson. THAT would have made it a good episode. Since the show is ending anyway, why not?

prion
September 19th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Surprisingly, this was a good episode. i say that because the idea of Keller being abducted, in the woods, again, was not what I cared to see, but Carl Binder actually matured her a bit in this episode. She wasn't so whiny, knew her medicine (or at least didn't botch anything too horribly) and was able to fight back.

And Ronon and Rodney in the woods was fun. I think that made a difference.

Alas, I wouldn't mind seeing that runner return, but darn, the show got cancelled.

Lucylee
September 19th, 2008, 09:03 PM
It was a pretty good ep.
My least favorite of the season so far, but then I've pretty much liked everything.

I just don't enjoy the episodes without the entire Team as much as others. Although, one of the reasons I was enjoying watching this one was that I know we are one day closer to next weeks offering.

Keller was fine, wish this would have been how they portrayed her for the past year and a half. I like her when she's doing the doc thing.

The Wraith sure are getting easier to stomp, that TV Guide review said "pale and pesky..." and I agree, they got swatted like flies! :(

I don't like ships in Stargate, but I think after watching this one, I'm rooting for Ronon/Keller, cause' I'll feel bad if Jen ever ditches Rodney. I think Ronon would get over it easier.

In fact, if anything I think I am now shipping Rodney and Ronon, they make a good bickering couple...:o

SamJackShipper93
September 19th, 2008, 09:06 PM
So....who's gonna win Jennifer's heart? :)

Ronon or Rodney?? :D

Loved the ending! :D I thought that was the best part of the whole episode. A little love triangle. As a shipper, I'm loving this. :D I think I want to see Ronon end up with Jennifer. :)

Thought the rest of the episode was pretty dull. Though, I did love seeing Jennifer get tough, and stronger. When she killed that Wraith that almost fed on the girl, I was like WTG Jennifer! :D And....I was quite impressed with her hand-to-hand combat. ;)

Me too! Way impressed! I love how her character's developing and coming into her own skin.

It was also very nice to see the Ronon/Rodney dynamic. It's nice to see that under all that toughness (and even with McKay's technobabble), Ronon really seems to think of Rodney as a friend. I loved the last scene between them. They respect each other enough not to let the situation destroy their friendship, even though they know that they both have feelings (and intentions ;)) for Jennifer. Thought that was really nice to see!

Shan Bruce Lee
September 19th, 2008, 09:09 PM
The episode was exciting enough... but the Wraith body count was beyond ridiculous. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Wraith fan. You have about two dozen or more Wraith up against 4 adult humans and an unconscious child. Do the math. :rolleyes:


But 2 of those were Runners and there was also a lot of catching them off guard

Shan Bruce Lee
September 19th, 2008, 09:12 PM
I am going to stick with my guns and say Ronon was teasing Mckay. :p

that's what I thought.

EdenSG
September 19th, 2008, 09:31 PM
I was a bit apprehensive about this episode but I have to say I really enjoyed it!

Ronon and McKay were great together. I wasn't sure that would work but I loved the two of them together!

And I have been a bit on the fence about Keller but I really liked her in this episode.

A bit of a love triangle - even that was done well, it wasn't forced and was not the focus of the epsiode.

The story was well written. I wouldn't say it was fast paced but it was evenly paced and flowed very well.

(I like that runner guy too)

EvenstarSRV
September 19th, 2008, 09:34 PM
I liked this episode, aside from missing the last 10 minutes. :(

It was nice to see the change in Keller from Missing, where after a year in the Pegasus galaxy she's experienced enough to not panic at being captured. I think it showed solid character development, especially when she had the steel to basically order her kidnapper to turn around. Though it helps that her kidnapper turned out to be a good guy and not cannibals. :cool:

It was great to see so much McKay/Ronon interaction, since they usually don't get scenes or plotlines that involve just the two of them from what I've seen. I'm with those who think Ronon is pulling Rodney's leg about Keller, since I think he's shown he likes to mock McKay when given the chance.

As a paramedic in-training I chuckled at some of Keller's first aid technique (especially the 'CPR' after she defibrillated the guy), but the writers got it close enough for a TV show. :)

Alan Wake
September 19th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Question...

Did Keller need to really remove the tracking device? couldn't she have simply " deactivated" it?

But all in all, not such a bad episode. Better then last weeks, but not the highlight of the season so far.

beneaththeblue
September 19th, 2008, 09:45 PM
Question...

Did Keller need to really remove the tracking device? couldn't she have simply " deactivated" it?

But all in all, not such a bad episode. Better then last weeks, but not the highlight of the season so far.

That's what happened. But my question is

How could zapping the tracker while it's attached to his spine and brain stem not have caused serious damage to him?

Shan Bruce Lee
September 19th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Question...

Did Keller need to really remove the tracking device? couldn't she have simply " deactivated" it?

That's what she did.

jelgate
September 19th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

With Season 5 in my opinion being the best season since season 1 of Atlantis, it’s hard to have a great episode week. And unfortunately Tracker falls victim to that scenario. It’s by no way as good as some of the episodes I have seen this season but then again it’s a lot better then some of the episodes I've seen. In fact when I watch the episode I am reminded of early SG1. Nothing is more classic Stargate then running around the woods with guns.

Anyway this episode had one of the longer teasers I have seen in awhile. I couldn't help but laugh seeing McKay want to look nice for Keller and then get his hopes crushed seeing Ronon with Keller at the gate. It was a nice to change for me anyway that we didn't actually see Keller being kidnapped. I think if I wasn't a spoiler fanatic, I wouldn't have seen that one coming.

As I watched this episode it wasn't really a love triangle to me but the differences in McKay's and Ronon's personalities. They are both driven by completely different morals and ideologies. Take the scene after McKay and Ronon find out Keller has been kidnapped. McKay would rather radio Atlantis while Ronon thinks it would better to track Keller. Both ideas are very separate but are also very logical choices

Come on can't we do a little better than. It was pretty predictable not to mention a huge cocidence that the minute McKay starts dialing the DHD that Wraith come though the Stargate. Also notice during the whole the Wraith never said a single word. Can you say canon fodder?:P I had a little Déj?* Vu. I seem to recall McKay running away shooting a gun like that in Runner. Also it was funny to see McKay's reaction when he stepped up from that stump and see a Wraith looking right at him. I never knew that Wraith that chase after runners had their own name:D

I know I might get flamed for saying this but Keller was top notch in this episode. She didn't seem like a whiner or a whim in this episode. I sure someone will be calling this a plothole:rolleyes: but look at the comparisons. A year has passed since Missing supposedly took place. How much had McKay changed in a year or Daniel for you SG1 fans? I don't think that the Missing Keller would have been brave enough to run away from Kir’yak (sp:S) like she did. To me it shows some good character development.

Speaking of Kir'yak he was interesting runner who to me was very similar to Ronon. I guess it would make sense that the Wraith use people with similar physical and mental abilities as runners. It seems like every runner is allowed an advanced piece of technology. Ronon got his Traveler's gun and Kir’yak got a teleportation device. The question is where did he get such an advanced piece of technology? I wonder if it could be some hint about the aliens that will appear in First Contact or just some random plot device.

Another thing that reminded me of Ronon is how Kir'yak had taken care of this little girl whose world had been culled because he had a visit their. It just shows how deeply it hurts the runners when their actions cause a planet to be culled.

One last thing that made the runner similar was how they treated the Atlantis doctors. Kir'yak was skeptical that Keller could remove the tracking device in the same way Ronon was in Runner. I am curious on how long Kir'yak has been a runner. I'm thinking when the Wraith learned that the Atlantis expedition found a way to remove the tracking device; the Wraith became smart and inserted the device into the brain stem. If I remember my anatomy correctly, the brain stem controls involuntary process like the lungs breathing or the heart pumping.

If my review readers would allow me (all two of you:P) I forgot to comment on Ronon's tracking abilities. This episode was called Tracker after all:P. Their really isn't much to say. It seems like after four years on Atlantis Ronon is still good at being a runner even if he no longer has a device in his back. I loved seeing him notice the traps. As I watched the dialogue between Ronon and McKay I can't be help comment as I said earlier their wasn't too much of a love triangle. It was more about how the people have completely different lifestyles.

Keller has some weird bedside manner when it comes to patients. I thought a doctor would have told the little girl to go to sleep versus talking about it. I guess that really doesn't matter too much as Keller knew what she was doing with the girl. I thought the Wraith fight with Kir'yak was chirographer brilliantly. Too bad he got beaten:( but then again the Wraith are some pretty strong fighters. The scene where the lone Wraith had me surprised. I honestly thought the writers would go with the cliché and have Kir'yak survive and kill the lone Wraith. Imagine my surprise when Keller used a sword to kill the Wraith.

Once again I have to wonder if using a defiblirater to overload a device is medically sound. It seem like in reality (I have to stop going back to that place:P) that would have never worked. Maybe I am wrong but wouldn't have doing that fried Kir'yak's brain. Couldn't their have been a more medically sound way to disarm the device. Once again I must give credit to the stunt coordinator. The fight between Ronon and Kir'yak followed by the fight between with the Wraith was fantastic. I think Keller's fighting ability was a little stretched. I understand they wanted to show Keller having some fighting skills but she shouldn't have been that good.

The scene at Stargate was predictable and entertaining at the same time. I knew Kir'yak would risk his life and die fighting the Wraith to save the little girl. But the thing that surprised me was his method. I guess I didn't expect Kir'yak to jump through the wormhole.

The end was cliché and cheesy I almost threw up. The whole McKay and Ronon saying they had feelings made me sick. Is their anything more disgusting then saying we will let Keller decide?

Kir'yak saved the day this time:P

jelgate
September 19th, 2008, 10:02 PM
SG1 had something like that. You went outta phase and could move around. Its just copying SG1 again.

Completly different things Arthur's Mantle/Sodan cloak took you ougt phase and walk around for an infinite amount of time. This device only allowed you to teleport short distances. and used a lot of power.

lissad27
September 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Solidly written little episode. Wasn't the best, but it's better than most. And the romance wasn't the focus, which I was glad to see. (Although, I thought the romance would have been better on the cutting room floor - it felt tacked on. I don't like romances between main characters (on certain types of show), as a rule.)

The plot was simple, and they stuck to it. Each character stuck to his/her part without detracting from one another. Some of the characterizations bothered me, but not enough not to enjoy the show.

Ronon and Rodney together was nice - I was afraid they were going to botch that with the whole awkward tavern thing. (That scene felt like R & R had just met, not known one another for 4 years.) But the writers moved quickly past to the tracking business, and they reverted to character.

Keller wasn't ... as grating as usual. I would have liked to see this type of writing for her last season. She came across as a doctor. Finally. As for the She-Ra moment: I find the fighting a little incredulous - and thought Teyla would have been a better sparing partner. But I do understand the romance angle is the reasoning for her sparing with Ronon.

Romance bit aside: the scene at the end was funny. Ronon is clearly teasing Rodney.

Again, well written episode.

Aurora24
September 19th, 2008, 10:30 PM
I suprised myself by actually liking this ep more than I thought I would in the beginning. I'll admit that I cringed at the whole Rodney/Ronon competing over Keller aspect. However I did like the Keller storyline.
I also wish they'd given more insight as to why humans are used as Runners. This was another generalized the Wraith hunt some humans story.

All in all not too bad. I still wish that they would put the opening credits back though.

Shipperahoy
September 19th, 2008, 10:34 PM
I was pleasantly surprised with this episode. I generally don't care for the episodes that don't feature the whole team. I know that's probably not very fair of me but I can't help what I like.

Still, we don't get much chance to see Ronon and McKay interacting so that was actually a lot of fun. They're relationship is so different from their relationships with Shep so it's interesting to watch. They're like bickering siblings.

I'm also relieved that it wasn't a whole episode of them fighting over Keller, which is something that concerned me when I first read the episode descpription. I find love triangles to generally be very trite and wasn't looking forward to it. It was very subtle though and hopefully that keeps up.

It was nice to see Keller outside of Atlantis and with something to do. She's come a long way from the whining scared spitless character she seemed on her first off world excursion. I am a big fan of Jewel Staite so I'm glad that they've given her a chance to do something with the character.

I don't have any idea how to spell the Runner guys name and I know I can probably look it up somewhere but it's late and I'm tired so I'm going to be lazy and just call him the Runner guy. I really liked him. I hope he's not dead. For a bit I was wondering if they were going to do a love quadrangle there but then off he went...Wraith-bait. Thank goodness. Not the Wraith-bait bit but that there was no more players in the Rodney/Keller/Ronon lovefest.

I mean, it's pretty evident that I don't mind romance in my sci-fi. In fact, done right, I'm all for it. I just don't enjoy the triangle drama. It's too soapy.

Jeff O'Connor
September 19th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Two-thirds of the way into the episode now, and so far, not at all disappointed. Having set my standards relatively low based on what I'd heard, I'm quite pleasantly satisfied with what I've had so far. That's the funny thing; sometimes the episode you think are going to be subpar end up being some of your favorites, because you didn't go into them expecting four-star material, so two-and-a-half is just as well.

Lythisrose
September 19th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Not bad, not great, kinda cute in a way.
Probably my least favorite ep so far, just running around in the woods and whacking Wraith. Actually it was kind of like watching someone play a video game where the goal is to kill the most Wraith.
I honestly liked Whispers a lot more than this one.
Did like Ronon and Rodney together and Keller was just fine too, and the little interchanges between the characters were fun, but I found that I got a little bored at the end and wanted them go home quickly.
The end scene with Rodney and Ronon was great, I do think Ronon was kidding.
And I really felt bad for Kyryk(sp?)
I really have liked all the episodes so far though, so I can't be too critical. Just not my cup of tea this time. :o
Looking forward eagerly to next week.

Jeff O'Connor
September 19th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Well, as a follow-up to the previous little insight, I'll conclude by saying that the last third didn't change my opinion one way or the other from the first two-thirds. A solid episode; tightly-written and altogether avoiding much in the way of contrivances. That I can appreciate. A simpler piece, yet poignant in its own right.

I can't say I'm too fond of how the Wraith were portrayed, though. Killing them seemed entirely too easy, and I know this has been a complaint for years now but some episodes make them look even sillier than others. This was no exception.

The writing involving Jennifer has picked up quite a bit in this script. I've never been Anti-Keller, but I've found some of the lines, and some of the general direction, they've been taken her since introduction to be... painstaking. Such a fine actress, at times reduced to drivel. That was simply not so this time around. I was not let down.

The 'love triangle' thing is exactly what I was dreading, like so many others. It's what gave 'Tracker' its place with the other episodes this season that didn't sound like anything I'd write home about. 'The Seed', 'Whispers', 'Tracker', 'Brain Storm', 'Identity' and 'Vegas' are the six culprits, and while I still won't necessarily write home, as they say, about 'Tracker', it's impressed me more than the previous two lower-tier contenders. Significantly, at that.

I didn't think I'd end up liking Kiryk so much, either. It might be a long shot, but I hope they make room for him in the upcoming telefilm, or another one later on. Maybe a Ronon-centered movie could see him in a spotlight. I felt Ronon's pain when he departed. Jason pulled that little fadeout-fade into bit quite well.

Speaking of fadeout-fade intos, anyone else notice they used a lot of them this episode? I've never been a fan of them, but I'm weird and picky. Not something to reduce points over, really.

I'd write more, but as some of you already know, I'm very sleep-deprived. So if any of this didn't make sense, that's why. All in all, 'Tracker' scored some underdog points for pulling through what sounded like an iffy premise with relative flying colors. The writing and impressive array of special effects and fight scenes pulled us through what could have been a bad episode if done differently; namely, in such a way as what I had feared.

Kudos to Jewel Staite for really stepping up to the plate in this episode, and the guy who played Kiryk (sorry, just too damn tired to look it up tonight) also won me over for sure. Oh, and that Wraith that Rodney got up from the log to find staring right at him? Yeah, that expression of its will haunt me all night, so good job there, too.

**1/2

Empress Vajnraa
September 19th, 2008, 11:19 PM
Another thing about keller is, a "few sparring sessions" is enough to take out a wraith hunter? Not believable at all.
Actually, in a way it is sort of believable. In "Runner", it was stated that the reason the Wraith hunt runners was not certain. It was stated that they might have used runners for sport, to learn how humans fight, or for training. If these Wraith were using Runners for Training then maybe they were be inexperienced. Just a thought.

Browncoat1984
September 19th, 2008, 11:20 PM
I found this to be a thoroughly enjoyable episode. I wasn't sure about the whole love trianlge aspect of this season when they announced it, but I think its actually working and turning out to be fun, rather than sappy like I feared. Usually when S/F tries this sort of thing (Voyager - Doctor & Seven anyone?) it fails miserably

I also found the guest characters of the runner and his girl to be interesting characters, and while I was sad to see him disappear I was at least happy that he wasn't killed. I enjoyed the banter between Rodney and Ronon.

Keller also had some pretty good scenes in this ep. Its nice to see her gain in her confidence, yet nice that she retains a little bit of that "unsure of myself" aspect of the character. It would have seemed off to me if she suddenly gained the same kind of confidence that we see in Ronon, Shep, or Teyla, or that we saw in Janet or Beckett. I think that that aspect of her character is what separates her from the other doctors we've seen on SG so far...she's great at her job, but she was thrust into a completely alien situation.

Great action scenes and choreography, including a great fight scene with Keller. Some interesting developments with the whole Runner aspect of the series, I thought it made sense that after two failed attempts at turning Ronon into a Runner that they would develope more sophisticated technology.

Overall I rate it a 9/10 because very few episode are good enough to warrant a 10 in my book.

What does everyone think of that teleportation device? Who developed it? At first I thought it was Asuran because he said that it grafted onto his skin (similar to Rodney and the personal forcefield) but when we actually saw it graft on at the end it looked more organic than a lot of ancient tech I recall seeing.

Definitely coolset gadget they've come up with in years. I thought it was a personal cloaking device at first. Too bad Rodney didn't get to keep it to study it.

On a side note, am I the only one whose sick of sci-fi's previews completely and totally taking episodes out of context? While it isn't unsual for previews to take episodes out of context, and I never pre-judge an episode based off of a preview, the previews for this weeks episode and last weeks episode really made me go "wtf?" when I saw them. And why did they remove the intro? That seems kind of out of the blue too.

And to add to the previous comment regarding Keller and the hunter...wasn't it Rodney who killed the Wraith she was fighting? She seemed like she wasn't going to be able to hold her own much longer there...

Khentkawes
September 20th, 2008, 01:03 AM
Okay, I guess I'm in the minority on this one. Overall, I thought it was pathetic. I lost count of the number of times I did a face palm.

But first, on the good side there was Keller. She started out a little weak. A couple of times she got this wide-eyed/frightened expression that just looked hysterically funny. But she quickly became a much stronger character. She was determined to save the little girl and help the runner, and she even stabbed the Wraith in the back. All in all, she turned into a character that I actually enjoyed watching. A lot. Which surprised me, but in a good way.

But then there were Rodney and Ronon, both of whom I normally like, but who were just pathetic tonight. I never understand why Rodney occasionally reverts to a blundering idiot. They seem to play up all of the socially-inept cliches. As someone else commented, he seemed too much like comic relief. I was even irritated with the way he felt he had to justify his usefulness to Ronon by explaining that he could solve the problems Ronon couldn't. They just played up Rodney's insecurities a bit too much for my tastes.

And Ronon... well, for some reason I got really bored with the tracker routine. If you've seen "The Princess Bride," I had images of Humperdink tracking the Man in Black: "There was a great duel..." Yeah, anyway. That's probably just my warped mind.
To be fair, I'm sure that as a runner, Ronon would have developed great tracking skills. But listening to him narrate each clue he found and whine that Rodney was slowing him down was basically a cure for insomnia. And then Ronon pulled the whole hyper-rage thing when he attacked the runner, only to turn around later and sympathize with the guy (just in case the audience didn't notice the similarities between Ronon and this new runner-dude).

But still, Keller was great. This was easily the best I've seen her. And both the runner and the girl he was protecting were interesting characters. The plot was pretty predictable, but not too bad. Keller's solution for deactivating the tracking device, and the way she saved the girl from the Wraith were both minor twists that kept the plot interesting. Basically, if you removed Rodney and Ronon from this, I would have liked it. Which again, is odd since I really like both of their characters.


The end was cliché and cheesy I almost threw up. The whole McKay and Ronon saying they had feelings made me sick. Is their anything more disgusting then saying we will let Keller decide?

Yep. The ending was painful. And predictable. Ronon's humor almost saved it. But it still felt immature, like I was watching a couple of awkward teenagers. And did I mention predictable?



On a side note, am I the only one whose sick of sci-fi's previews completely and totally taking episodes out of context? While it isn't unsual for previews to take episodes out of context, and I never pre-judge an episode based off of a preview, the previews for this weeks episode and last weeks episode really made me go "wtf?"

Yeah, I don't think the people who make the previews for sci-fi are actually watching the episodes. It's really quite entertaining to see how far off base the previews can get.

By the way, where's Woolsey? I'm starting to miss him. Two... no, three(?) episodes with no Bob Picardo is just plain sad. :(

bluealien
September 20th, 2008, 01:49 AM
Dreadful horrible episode. The Runner guy was the only decent thing about the episode. I guess we had to have another Keller gets kidnapped in the forest to show us how much she has matured since Missing. Predictable nonsense and now the Wraith can be defeated with sticks..

Linzi
September 20th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Well, I actually liked Tracker! I wasn't expecting to, so I was pleasantly surprised!

I thought Keller was good here. If only she'd been written like this last season... she was a competent doctor, who was brave but showed the appropriate amount of fear. Mind you, I did watch some Firefly yesterday, so maybe I was feeling the Kaylee love! :lol: Seriously, a BIG improvement for her. Well done CB and JS. :)

Rodney was hysterical! Poor Rodney. The bit where he's hiding from the wraith hunter, looks up, and the wraith is standing over him? I jumped out of my skin! :lol:

Ronon was great. Typical Ronon and nice to see his tracking skills.

I loved Kiryk. He was perfect. Very runneresque and beefy, yet vulnerable emotionally. Cared for that little girl so much. I had a lot of sympathy for him and thought he was a great guest character. Shame there's no season 6 to see him again in :mad:

Liked the transporter device... interesting.

The wraith were cool, and is it just me, but did they look uglier than usual??? :eek:

Ok, the love triangle. What love triangle???? :lol: If the romance stays at this level, I'll have no problem with it at all. In fact I thought Rodney was quite cute, bless him. I have no doubt Ronon is just winding him up, but the 'intentions' scene was so funny! :D

So, overall, I really enjoyed this and was entertained. Another strong episode for season 5. For me, there hasn't been a duff so far, so that's good! :)

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Well i haven't seen this ep yet but i hear Teyla's not in it...>AGAIN :mckay:

Who's Teyla again...Didn't she used to be part of the team :confused: I didn't know they got rid of Teyla to put Keller on the team instead...Must have happened off screen :rolleyes:

Oh and Keller is now super Keller i hear *shakes head*

I'll leave the rest of my review til i've seen the ep....Not lloking forward to it though :(

Linzi
September 20th, 2008, 03:13 AM
Well i haven't seen this ep yet but i hear Teyla's not in it...>AGAIN :mckay:

Who's Teyla again...Didn't she used to be part of the team :confused: I didn't know they got rid of Teyla to put Keller on the team instead...Must have happened off screen :rolleyes:

Oh and Keller is now super Keller i hear *shakes head*

I'll leave the rest of my review til i've seen the ep....Not lloking forward to it though :(
Linda, I do understand your disappointment in no Teyla again. :(

hank
September 20th, 2008, 03:14 AM
pretty good episode. the season is recovering after a crap first three episodes. My tally so far at two good episodes ( deadalus variations and queen) lots of crap episodes ( pretty much rest of season so far) and an reasonably entertainig episode which is this one.

i reckon replace Ronan with other runner guy.

THEY SERIOUSLY HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT FOREST TO FILM IN ITS ALWAYS THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 03:38 AM
Linda, I do understand your disappointment in no Teyla again. :(

I haven't watched it yet but i've got spies everywhere who tells me things ;)

I don't know if i want to watch it now.....I'm really not looking forward to it.....I wish they would just write Teyla out now so i can stop watching it :(

Even John has been shoved back for the most part because of this Keller love from TPTB and the McKeller crap....And's here's me thinking John is the lead and Teyla is the leading lady...Well shows you how much i know ;)

Like i said they can't see the trees for Keller!

There's only two eps i totally enjoyed ths season and that's S&R and the queen!

esprit
September 20th, 2008, 04:01 AM
I agree with most that it was a pretty good episode, but was Kiryk the same character from SG1 episode Bounty when Cam was at the his High School Reunion, that would be a bit of a crossover, from bounty hunter to runner

Cheystar
September 20th, 2008, 04:36 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, much better than The Queen and Whispers.

I of course loved Rodney and Ronon, and Keller was really good! She even had a few good lines that were memorable.

My only beef, is I haven't seen Woolsey in 3 weeks now.:(

I am looking forward to Daniel Jackson next week though. I've been waiting
for the Daniel episodes all season. Going to be fun to watch him and Rodney
together.

shockwave
September 20th, 2008, 04:46 AM
that runner guy was also a bounty hunter in the sg1 season 10 episode "Bounty", and one of the sunshine boys in BSG.

And where was woolsey? He hasn't appeared in ages.

david2708
September 20th, 2008, 05:07 AM
Geez, how many boring, predictable, mindless, forgettable filler episodes are we going to get for this final season?
Here, we get yet another piece of forgettable fluff.
We're near the halfway mark of this final season and you can see TBTP have no sense of vision whatsoever when it comes to where they actually wanted to take Atlantis.
I can't fathom what a season 6 would have served up judging by the junk we've been served up thus far.
TPTB who storyboarded this season should hang their heads in shame. Let me guess...Malozzi.

Jeff O'Connor
September 20th, 2008, 05:24 AM
Sheesh, this episode is one of the 'like it or hate it' types, eh?

Callie
September 20th, 2008, 06:24 AM
Anyone tell me the spelling of the little girl's name, please, for the transcript? Also, how old do we think she is (I'm useless at kids' ages!) Thanks.

ykickamoocow
September 20th, 2008, 06:45 AM
Anyone tell me the spelling of the little girl's name, please, for the transcript? Also, how old do we think she is (I'm useless at kids' ages!) Thanks.

I swaer officer she told me she was 18.

Ruffles
September 20th, 2008, 06:58 AM
Anyone tell me the spelling of the little girl's name, please, for the transcript? Also, how old do we think she is (I'm useless at kids' ages!) Thanks.

No idea what her name was but I would guess she was around 8-10.

Jeff O'Connor
September 20th, 2008, 07:00 AM
8-10ish, yeah.

Fenrir Foxz
September 20th, 2008, 07:05 AM
Well, I actually liked Tracker! I wasn't expecting to, so I was pleasantly surprised!

I thought Keller was good here. If only she'd been written like this last season... she was a competent doctor, who was brave but showed the appropriate amount of fear.

I think Keller showed some great development in 'Tracker' and she's obviously come along way since 'Missing'.


Ok, the love triangle. What love triangle???? :lol: If the romance stays at this level, I'll have no problem with it at all. In fact I thought Rodney was quite cute, bless him. I have no doubt Ronon is just winding him up, but the 'intentions' scene was so funny! :D

That is how I was expecting the love triangle to be, nothing that takes over the episode but little hints, lines and whatever here and there... I quite liked what I saw of it and the final scene between Ronon and McKay was amusing, I did get the impression Ronon was playing McKay there though.


Oh and Keller is now super Keller i hear *shakes head*

Keller the wraith slayer. ;) :D :cool:

Shaod
September 20th, 2008, 07:07 AM
Not a bad episode for a filler, compared to "whispers", but nowhere as good as "the queen."

That runner looked familiar to me. Wasn't he on an Sg-1 episode once? He kinda looked like the bounty hunter in "bounty."

Anyway, the scene at the end with McKay asking Ronon his intentions with Keller was great. Ronon says no to everything then a pause, then "wait....maybe I do", lol.

mr_kennedy
September 20th, 2008, 07:08 AM
pretty good episode, still not fussed about them axing the credits tho

the queen >>>>>> tracker >>>>>> whispers


that runner guy was also a bounty hunter in the sg1 season 10 episode "Bounty", and one of the sunshine boys in BSG.

And where was woolsey? He hasn't appeared in ages.

i thought he looked familiar

trekie
September 20th, 2008, 07:19 AM
I think it was a very decent episode. The plot may have been used before, but the McKay-Ronon pairing made it really enjoyable for me.

Do I have to say that I loved the banter? It was pretty cool to finally have a whole episode dedicated to this pairing. It was due time, now all we need is a Teyla-Rodney ep, well probably not much of a chance for that happing though...

I was rolling in laughter every time when we've gotten a scene which have gone something like this: we see Ronon alone examing some tracks, then a couple of seconds later, Rodney shows up breathless. These were so pricless. :D

I also loved the fighting scenes, it was a quite fast-paced epidode. Some of the wraith have gotten offed too easily though, they are really not too consistent on that subject.

Keller and the runner guy was okay. The medical stuff seemed a little fishy regarding the tracker device, but I really wouldn't know, so I give a pass on that...

And I really don't have a problem with the love triangle, so those aspects of the episode haven't bothered me at all. Moreover I think it was handled quite well, for example the last scene was typical Ronon with the call-backs and playing dumb part. (yeah, I said playing:rolleyes:)




But then there were Rodney and Ronon, both of whom I normally like, but who were just pathetic tonight. I never understand why Rodney occasionally reverts to a blundering idiot. They seem to play up all of the socially-inept cliches. As someone else commented, he seemed too much like comic relief. I was even irritated with the way he felt he had to justify his usefulness to Ronon by explaining that he could solve the problems Ronon couldn't. They just played up Rodney's insecurities a bit too much for my tastes.

See? I think Rodney wasn't so bad in this. He did kill a wraith while hopping on only one feet, and later another one when he returned the favour to Keller while saving her life. And he wasn't over the top whiny as he sometimes tends to be. But I agree on that the explaination of his future usefulness to Ronon wasn't necessary and he could have handled the gun reloading a little better, but the rest was fine with me.

Jeff O'Connor
September 20th, 2008, 07:23 AM
I thought Rodney was fine in this. Him playing up his abilities in general isn't exactly revolutionary, but doing so alone in the woods with Ronon, who always gets to kill the bad guys and call people on bad decisions, was pretty funny. It was like in his own, roundabout way he was admitting Ronon's usefulness was aplenty and that, being stuck in a situation where Ronon was so much more suited for, he had to find something to cling to.

I thought it was fine.

Briangate78
September 20th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Sheesh, this episode is one of the 'like it or hate it' types, eh?

It's the same track record for people. Some folks will love them all, love some and hate some, and then some people will just hate them all.

Jeff O'Connor
September 20th, 2008, 07:42 AM
It's the same track record for people. Some folks will love them all, love some and hate some, and then some people will just hate them all.

Yeah, true.

Zealisreal
September 20th, 2008, 08:13 AM
Nowhere near as good as the last episode, no main storyline expansion and definitely one for the ladies.

On the positive, it was well shot and acted, but am now really looking forward to "First Contact" were hopefully the main storyline will be picked back up again and progressed. Will be good to see one of "the old crew" again :D

Rating : 6/10

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 08:32 AM
I thought this ep could be the Harmony of s5 but it was actually much better than that. Keller's once again lost in the woods but she's definitely matured, I guess it's mostly because of her off-world experience. the Ronon and Rodney parts of the ep were great imo. Kiryk was a cool guest character, I would've liked to see him again in s6 but unfortunately that's not gonna happen. is he dead? who knows. all in all this ep reminded me of Runner and Missing. the coolest part was the end when they finally worked together to get to the SG and then Rodney's talk with Ronon in Atlantis, that was hilarious imo :P


Well i haven't seen this ep yet but i hear Teyla's not in it...>AGAIN :mckay:

Who's Teyla again...Didn't she used to be part of the team :confused: I didn't know they got rid of Teyla to put Keller on the team instead...Must have happened off screen :rolleyes:

Oh and Keller is now super Keller i hear *shakes head*

I'll leave the rest of my review til i've seen the ep....Not lloking forward to it though :(

what team? Shep was in Atlantis


I haven't watched it yet but i've got spies everywhere who tells me things ;)

I don't know if i want to watch it now.....I'm really not looking forward to it.....I wish they would just write Teyla out now so i can stop watching it :(

Even John has been shoved back for the most part because of this Keller love from TPTB and the McKeller crap....

which is exactly what a lot of fans seem to want


And's here's me thinking John is the lead

of course he is. Shep saved the day in S&R, The Seed, Whispers and he played an important part in BT, DV and The Shrine


and Teyla is the leading lady...Well shows you how much i know ;)

Like i said they can't see the trees for Keller!

There's only two eps i totally enjoyed ths season and that's S&R and the queen!

Teyla was most likely taking care of her kid


Geez, how many boring, predictable, mindless, forgettable filler episodes are we going to get for this final season?
Here, we get yet another piece of forgettable fluff.
We're near the halfway mark of this final season and you can see TBTP have no sense of vision whatsoever when it comes to where they actually wanted to take Atlantis.
I can't fathom what a season 6 would have served up judging by the junk we've been served up thus far.
TPTB who storyboarded this season should hang their heads in shame. Let me guess...Malozzi.

nope Carl Binder ;)

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 08:41 AM
How unrequited in unrequited? Like completely and totally and there's no chance in hell because she's in love with her sparring instructor?

Or just mildly because they didn't really have too many scenes together.

I know. I'm fixating. For once, I think I'm allowed to be the irrational fangirl.

I just....i feel sorry for rodney because he keeps looking like a pathetic little geek when it comes to his feelings about Keller. And i had forgotten last night that keller does know how he feels...but does she feel the same? If she doesn't, then i feel even worse for him.


So....who's gonna win Jennifer's heart? :)

Ronon or Rodney?? :D



Embroider the towels J&R and it'd work for either choice ;)

Nath
September 20th, 2008, 08:46 AM
I liked 'Tracker'. I think it was a good episode. Team moments are great and I LOVE Sheppard and Teyla. But some times, it is refreshing to see something else. There will be other team moments folks, don't worry.

I enjoyed the banter between Ronon and McKay. And Keller... wow she can fight well... nice change compared to season 4 'Missing' episode.

The Runner guy was great. I think I recognized him from the episode 'Bounty' of SG-1 (season 10). Am I wrong ?

Jeff O'Connor
September 20th, 2008, 09:13 AM
The Runner guy was great. I think I recognized him from the episode 'Bounty' of SG-1 (season 10). Am I wrong ?

Nope, that's him alright.

Cheystar
September 20th, 2008, 09:51 AM
I just....i feel sorry for rodney because he keeps looking like a pathetic little geek when it comes to his feelings about Keller. And i had forgotten last night that keller does know how he feels...but does she feel the same? If she doesn't, then i feel even worse for him.



Embroider the towels J&R and it'd work for either choice ;)

Rodney is a pathetic little geek, that's why we love him so much. I loved him running through the woods screaming when the wraith was chasing him, he sounded like a girl squealing, it was classic Rodney and I'm so glad that part of him is still there somewhere. :D

CazzBlade
September 20th, 2008, 10:05 AM
Possibly my least favourite episode of Atlantis. Not because I consider it a bad ep (like I consider Quarantine to be), there were a few things in it that I didn't like but not a bad ep. I'm considering it for my least favourite because I just found it utterly uninteresting :S It didn't grab my attention at all, I couldn't tell you half the things that happened in the ep cos I just wasn't paying attention and that has never happened to me when watching an Atlantis episode before :(

expendable_crewman
September 20th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Good episode. Worth re-watching. I want the new Runner back, because Ronon needs a new guy to bond with and it could offer up more chances to grow Ronon's character. Sheppard is back in "stall" mode and, sure, McKay grows but he keeps regressing, so I don't put much stock in his twice- (or is it thrice?) yearly forays into existentialism. We might as well watch Ronon grow some more, now that season 5 Teyla is getting most of hers through the eternal and apparently universal struggle to balance life and work.

My take on Ronon & Rodney's chat in the end is ... Ronon was joking until the third time he said, "Wait." In the end, he seemed to me as serious as Rodney.

The only problem I have with the little subplot-- I think it might be romance --between two (three?) permanent characters is why it took this long. But that's me. I'm curious, though, as to why, after avoiding such "background" stories going on four+ years, the writers would hit 50% of the main cast in the same prickly net.

Still, I did enjoy this ep.

Rac80
September 20th, 2008, 10:10 AM
I agree with most that it was a pretty good episode, but was Kiryk the same character from SG1 episode Bounty when Cam was at the his High School Reunion, that would be a bit of a crossover, from bounty hunter to runner

He was also in SG1 as a russian colonel. I can see why they would use him... he was great (and great looking as well)! ;)

EvenstarSRV
September 20th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Once again I have to wonder if using a defiblirater to overload a device is medically sound. It seem like in reality (I have to stop going back to that place:P) that would have never worked. Maybe I am wrong but wouldn't have doing that fried Kir'yak's brain. Couldn't their have been a more medically sound way to disarm the device.


From what I've learned, using a defibrillator on a person who's heart is beating normally causes them to go into V-fib, which can then quickly lead to their heart stopping. Keller placed the pads on his chest and back properly, so the electricity would have been directed to his heart, not his brain.

So when Keller shocked Kir'yak, he likely went into V-fib, which was probably why Keller started doing chest compressions right afterward. Of course, she would have had to shock him again to get his heart beating properly again, instead of just injecting him with something, but hey, it's a TV show. :cool:

Off the top of my head I can't think of anything Keller would have in her med kit besides the AED that would allow her to deliver a focused burst of electricity to the tracking device, and surgery was not an option, so it seems like shocking Kir'yak was the best way disarm the device.

Nath
September 20th, 2008, 11:13 AM
Nope, that's him alright.

Thanks !



He was also in SG1 as a russian colonel. I can see why they would use him... he was great (and great looking as well)!

Oh really ? What episode ? I have to re watch it !

Killdeer
September 20th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Oh good grief. :(

Have I mentioned how very very much I hate it when Rodney is shown as generally incompetant or used as comic relief? It's why I used to always loathe Rodney/Sam scenes with a passion. The scenes with him and Ronon in the woods were torturous. I kept saying "Just please shut up now, Rodney!" :(

Keller on the other hand was generally awesome, and I really did like the scenes with her and the other Runner. And Ronon with the other runner was good. That part of the storyline was interesting.

I just could have done without the whole Ronon/Rodney trek through the woods, and Rodney's general incompetance being emphasized at every turn. (He still can't load his gun after five years in the field?) I thought it would be more of a team up, where they both had to work together to find her, rather than Rodney trailing along like a useless yapping puppy behind big bad hero Ronon. :( Arghh.

And was it just me, or was Sheppard not too happy about Rodney making the trip in the first place? I just thought he seemed a little annoyed in that first scene.

jelgate
September 20th, 2008, 11:34 AM
Shep is sad that McKay is taking away his kirking job:P

Killdeer
September 20th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Shep is said that McKay is taking away his kirking job:P

:lol:

Wilson3Girl
September 20th, 2008, 11:45 AM
I liked this episode! I wasn't sure if I would from reading the spoilers, but I did.

I loved the Ronon-McKay stuff. That scene where they're eating in the village while they wait for Jennifer to tend to that little boy was hysterical. Ronon is eating away voraciously and Rodney is picking at his food. Ronon asks Rodney, "Are you going to eat that?" and Rodney picks out something resembling a neckbone from his bowl and places it on the table, and Ronon eats it! HA! Shades of the episode where Ronon tries whatever is boiling away in the pots on a planet where the inhabitants are all hiding and Rodney is shocked and amazed....and then he wants to try some too. :) I also liked that scene where they dropped to the ground to avoid that hanging trap (with scary spikes!) and Ronon had to keep pushing McKay back down because Rodney was trying to see exactly what it was and trying to get up.

I'm a bit disappointed that the writers do not allow Rodney to change/replace the clip in his gun better than was portrayed. I can't imagine that after 5 years, he has not mastered this better. I don't want to see Rodney "Sylvester Stallone" McKay suddenly appear with two guns blazing, but c'mon, he should be able to load his gun faster by now---John, Ronon and Teyla would've made sure of that by now. I was pleased that he shot at least (two?) wraith, so at least there's that.

I think that Ronon and Rodney are used to Shep being there as the nucleus (has anyone ever see that Seinfeld episode about Jerry being the nucleus of the group? :) ) and this seemed to be the first time (at least that we viewers get to witness) where they have to interact with just each other over a long period of time. In my opinion, they both walked away with a deeper appreciation of the fact that they both need each other's skills---no matter what they may be-----scientific gadgets or the ability to track people/wraith. Also, I noticed that they really did listen to each other. Rodney was nervously chattering at times, but he listened to Ronon's theories about where the kidnapper had taken Jennifer. Ronon listened to Rodney's advice about he and Keryik (sp?) needing to work together against the wraith instead of against each other. Good stuff.

I'm in the camp that thinks Ronon was yanking McKay's chain at the end of the episode about Jennifer....that grin on his face just said "I'm gonna mess with him....."

I missed seeing John and Teyla (I want my team together!) but that tiny scene in the beginning of the episode with John just strutting into Rodney's room without even knocking and catching him preening in front of the mirror was priceless. John could see right through Rodney within seconds of stepping through the door. :)

Wilson3Girl

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 11:49 AM
what team? Shep was in Atlantis

Well maybe they want a new team now...Team Keller...Keller,Ronon and Rodney!



of course he is. Shep saved the day in S&R, The Seed, Whispers and he played an important part in BT, DV and The Shrine

Sure it started off in S5 as Shep the lead...Now it's turning into the Keller show!



Teyla was most likely taking care of her kid


Oh yes...Now TPTB have an excuse to shove Teyla so much into the background we don't even see her anymore......I bet they're very happy people now :D

JackHarkness_Hot
September 20th, 2008, 12:09 PM
So this episode is the first S5 episode that I noticed that features the "ancient" 10 second intro. Guess TPB have decided to milk Atlantis of its commercial capabilities as much as they can.

I thought this episode was quite entertaining to a certain extent. It had some little boring moments it wasn't too bad. I can note one thing and that is, the tracker (Kir'yak) was hunky-licious! :D

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Well maybe they want a new team now...Team Keller...Keller,Ronon and Rodney!

nope they don't


Sure it started off in S5 as Shep the lead...Now it's turning into the Keller show!

how so? the only eps where Keller played a significant role were The Seed, The Shrine and this one. that's 3/9


Oh yes...Now TPTB have an excuse to shove Teyla so much into the background we don't even see her anymore......

Joe said

Will Teyla come back for a full season? I understand that the writers gave her character a short/limited appearance on SGA because of her pregnancy. – cyr1988

Mallozzi: We’ll definitely be seeing more of Teyla in Season 5 as she attempts to balance motherhood and her off-world wraith-killing commitments.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Stargate-Atlantis-Preview/800042483


I bet they're very happy people now :D

why would they be happy?

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 12:58 PM
nope they don't

Could have fooled me!



how so? the only eps where Keller played a significant role were The Seed, The Shrine and this one. that's 3/9

And Teyla's played a significant role in one ep....Wasn't Teyla supposed to be leading female :confused: And Shep hasn't even had gis centric ep yet!



Joe said

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Stargate-Atlantis-Preview/800042483

Well if he meant standing around looking pretty then he's spot on.....So missing in 2 out of the last 3 eps is seeing more of Teyla then :confused:

Well i guess if she misses one less ep than last season we will see more of her!



why would they be happy?

That they won't have to actually you know......write for her!

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 01:01 PM
too bad they don't have zats in the peggy galaxy

i wonder if it could have messed up the tracking device

after all, it worked on the nishta in Ryac and to short out other things

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Could have fooled me!

Shep wasn't there either


And Teyla's played a significant role in one ep....Wasn't Teyla supposed to be leading female :confused: And Shep hasn't even had gis centric ep yet!

why only one ep? I'd say S&R, DV (it was a team ep, everybody contributed) and The Queen


Well if he meant standing around looking pretty then he's spot on.....So missing in 2 out of the last 3 eps is seeing more of Teyla then :confused:

or... missing 2/9


Well i guess if she misses one less ep than last season we will see more of her!

relax, Teyla will kick some Wraith butt in the mid-season two-parter


That they won't have to actually you know......write for her!

why do you assume that TBTB don't want to write for her?

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 01:07 PM
guys, i think what you're seeing is what many sg1 fans saw in its later seasons....a splitting up of hte cast to tape multiple episodes at once.

for example, sam had a whole 30 seconds in enemy mine so she could be off taping Death Knell. When shanks was going to direct double jeopardy, 'daniel' was busy and robot daniel got killed off so MS could be free to direct.

and there are tons of other examples.

What i think i'm seeing iwth atlantis is a budgetary thing where they have multiple units going on at once, taping 2-3 episodes at once, so they can have a shorter taping season, thus save a few bucks/do things more efficiently.

I'm getting the idea that whispers, the queen and tracker were all taped in a 1-2 week time span, so while joe and paul were doing whispers, rachel was doing the queen, david and ...umm, ronon and Jewel were doing tracker.

Stuff like splitting up the actors or writing someone out of an eps also happens when the actors have real life stuff going on. maybe someone needed time off or had another project going on.

It's nothing deliberate beyond schedule juggling

now on a mod note....the topic is 'the tracker'....no a minute by minute comparison of who is/isn't getting enough air time

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 01:08 PM
or... missing 2/9

So far......She'll be missing in more come the end of the season!



relax, Teyla will kick some Wraith butt in the mid-season two-parter

I have my doubts about that :(



why do you assume that TBTB don't want to write for her?

Because they never want to write for her...As soon as they give her her token ep of the season they basically ignore her after that!

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 01:14 PM
So far......She'll be missing in more come the end of the season!

as will the rest of the cast


I have my doubts about that :(

have you seen the promo pics?


Because they never want to write for her...As soon as they give her her token ep of the season they basically ignore her after that!

IDK about that but TPTB won't ignore Teyla for the remaining eps

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 01:18 PM
as will the rest of the cast

Except for John and Rodney...They always seem to be in every single ep...Even if it is just a walk on part!



have you seen the promo pics?

Yep but until i see it i ain't getting my hopes up just to get them crushed for the hundredth time :S



IDK about that but TPTB won't ignore Teyla for the remaining eps

Well they've practically ignored her already for quite a few eps at the beginning so i don't hold out much hope for the remaining eps :(

Khentkawes
September 20th, 2008, 01:18 PM
My only beef, is I haven't seen Woolsey in 3 weeks now.:(

I am looking forward to Daniel Jackson next week though.

I miss Woolsey. :( But next week we get Woolsey back and we get Dr. Jackson. :)


that runner guy was also a bounty hunter in the sg1 season 10 episode "Bounty"

That's why he looked familiar! Thanks.



See? I think Rodney wasn't so bad in this. He did kill a wraith while hopping on only one feet, and later another one when he returned the favour to Keller while saving her life. And he wasn't over the top whiny as he sometimes tends to be. But I agree on that the explaination of his future usefulness to Ronon wasn't necessary and he could have handled the gun reloading a little better, but the rest was fine with me.

I did enjoy his Wraith killing. That was great. But he still seemed overly defensive, insecure, and socially inept, throughout the episode. I just think we've seen him develop beyond this point in the past four years.


Rodney is a pathetic little geek, that's why we love him so much. I loved him running through the woods screaming when the wraith was chasing him, he sounded like a girl squealing, it was classic Rodney and I'm so glad that part of him is still there somewhere. :D

A geek, yes. But I don't think he's so pathetic that he runs away screaming like a little girl. That was where this episode crossed the line for me. I felt like I was watching the Rodney of season 2 most of the time.



Have I mentioned how very very much I hate it when Rodney is shown as generally incompetant or used as comic relief? It's why I used to always loathe Rodney/Sam scenes with a passion. The scenes with him and Ronon in the woods were torturous. I kept saying "Just please shut up now, Rodney!" :(

My point exactly. When I want my favorite character to shut up because he's grating on my nerves... that's a bad thing. And like you, I kept telling him to just shut up in this episode.

Apparently, most people weren't as bothered by Rodeny as I was. Which is fine. Overall, the episode wasn't horrible. But if I rewatch it, I think I'll fast forward through most of the Rodney / Ronon stuff and just watch Keller and the runner. Because honestly, without Rodney and Ronon, I would have greatly enjoyed this episode.

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Except for John and Rodney...They always seem to be in every single ep...Even if it is just a walk on part!

yup that's pretty much what sky mentioned


Yep but until i see it i ain't getting my hopes up just to get them crushed for the hundredth time :S

fair enough


Well they've practically ignored her already for quite a few eps at the beginning so i don't hold out much hope for the remaining eps :(

she didn't play a significant role in some eps but I wouldn't say that TPTB have ignored her

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 01:30 PM
ok folks, back to talking about Tracker

take the teyla stuff to another thread

Linda06
September 20th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Fine...I'm outta here :mckay:

maffieg
September 20th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I liked the eppy but didn't love the eppy, certainly didn't beat the queen for me. Still, Ronon was great. Rodney was darling (hop and shoot) and Keller was well there too. I liked the idea of them helping out another runner and I think Ronon was the key character for interaction with him. Sorry there's wasn't more of that. I hope we see him again though. The love triangle however...well that just gives me a headache.The Ronon/Rodney banter, now that I enjoyed.

TameFarrar
September 20th, 2008, 01:41 PM
I normally only comment when I really like an episode :) so it is safe to assume I liked this one :D

Most of the time I am ambivalent to SGA and just watch because I like StarGate overall and I don't really have a favorite character or anything.

However, Ronon is fast becoming one that I just like to watch WHEN he gets an episode that has something for him to do in it. This episode along with Runner and Sateda have all shown that with some actual dialogue Ronon is fun to watch with his SGA counter-parts. I truly enjoyed watching Ronon and McKay throughout this episode :).
It was nice seeing McKay NOT save the day for once with some techno babble and be out of his comfort zone. I know many feel he should be more adept at changing the clip in gun but seriously how often does he have to shoot under that much pressure. Not often IMHO since normally Shepperd or Ronon do most of that for him. So I expected him to be a bit fumbly and I was glad he was. It made him look human and also made him appreciate Ronon's skills.
Ronon may not come off as appreciating McKay enough but other episodes have shown that he does so I found McKay's whining about that more about how the writer's wanted to somehow show McKay's insecurity over Ronon even being there.

Keller, I have never had any real thought of either way. She is just *there* most of the time. SO I actually have to say I was impressed that this time she made her presence on-screen actually felt.

While I did feel the overall episode had shades of runner and the one SG-1 episode with the Bounty hunter. It had enough action going on that I let the thought slip away easily.

The new runner was cool and I liked how he was portrayed. I really enjoyed the action with his teleportation device and I enjoyed that he too wanted at least a chance to stop running. I really didn't care if it was *realistic* to use the defibrillator, it was a cool idea and I went with it :)

I laughed myself silly over Rodney and the Wraith at the tree stump. That was done so well by David Hewlett :) I also didn't care that the Wraith were dropping *like flies* it worked for me in the whole scheme of things and kept the story moving along with some great action and fight scenes.

The ending scene with Ronon and McKay over both of them liking Keller... I could care less. I like ship on any show if it is done well and kept in the background or as long as it moves with the story. Part of my problem ..if I have one is knowing that Jason said he was opposed to having a triangle with McKay as he felt Ronon would need a better adversary and he just didn't like the whole thing. So...since I knew Jason said that ..it made the whole thing somewhat unbelievable to begin with and then the way it played out on screen seemed somewhat stupid. Like Ronon was either teasing him OR belittling him... I am not sure just what they were going for with that scene

Overall though I enjoyed the episode more then most this season :)

Khentkawes
September 20th, 2008, 01:44 PM
too bad they don't have zats in the peggy galaxy

i wonder if it could have messed up the tracking device

after all, it worked on the nishta in Ryac and to short out other things

I wondered about that too. If it's an electrical discharge that fried the circuits on the tracking device, then a zat should have worked as well. And for that matter, what about Wraith stunners? Would that fry it's circuits? Or maybe they aren't powerful enough?

It seems like a dumb way to design a tracking device if a simple jolt of electricity will disable it. I guess they must be assuming that any electrical current strong enough to disable the device would also kill the runner.

*shrug* Either way, the Atlantis expedition should have zats. ;)

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 01:47 PM
well, the wraith stunner obviously can't, or the first time they caught him they'd untag him

however, my thought had been for an electromagnetic pulse to disable it.

maybe neither the zat or stunner are strong enough?

Cheystar
September 20th, 2008, 01:55 PM
When I said I liked seeing Rodney running in the forest, and that he's still that pathetic geek, I only meant it in a very loving way. LOL

This was Rodney out of his comfort zone, and David Hewlitt is brilliant in the way he protrays him, and I'm glad that Rodney has not grown into a super soldier like Ronon or Shepperd. I don't think someone will change in just a couple years from total "scared geek" to a super-hero. I'm glad they keep some of that in him.

I could hardly stand Rodney on SG-1 when he first was on, but have grown to completely love his character, with all his quirks so masterly played by DH.

:D

Khentkawes
September 20th, 2008, 01:56 PM
well, the wraith stunner obviously can't, or the first time they caught him they'd untag him

however, my thought had been for an electromagnetic pulse to disable it.

maybe neither the zat or stunner are strong enough?

That's why I thought it was a poor design for the device. It seems too easy to deactivate, although you're right, it must take something stronger than a Wraith stunner. An EM pulse should have worked though. And it wouldn't have hurt the guy. Of course Keller didn't have the ability to do that, so I guess it's kind of irrelevant now.

Khentkawes
September 20th, 2008, 02:12 PM
When I said I liked seeing Rodney running in the forest, and that he's still that pathetic geek, I only meant it in a very loving way. LOL

This was Rodney out of his comfort zone, and David Hewlitt is brilliant in the way he protrays him, and I'm glad that Rodney has not grown into a super soldier like Ronon or Shepperd. I don't think someone will change in just a couple years from total "scared geek" to a super-hero. I'm glad they keep some of that in him.

I could hardly stand Rodney on SG-1 when he first was on, but have grown to completely love his character, with all his quirks so masterly played by DH.

:D

I think I agree with you in general. I don't want Rodney to turn into a "super-hero" (I get more than enough of that from Sheppard). And I also love his quirks and the fact that he is a flawed character. But in this episode, I felt like they were making fun of him at times, which wasn't necessary. I like that he is flawed, but I think they sometimes mock him because of those flaws (especially when they try to contrast him with some of the other characters).

This was the first time in a long time that Rodney has really irritated me. Ronon, however, also got on my nerves, probably even more so than Rodney. And I'm still not totally sure why. So when you put the two of them together and they both irritated me... well, that's the main reason for my reaction to this episode.

Rac80
September 20th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Thanks !



Oh really ? What episode ? I have to re watch it !

In Season 8 episode 14 (Full Alert) he was a russian col. In s10, ep 15 (Bounty) he was bounty hunter odai Ventrell (sp?).

DB10
September 20th, 2008, 03:21 PM
It was a great episode one of the better ones from this season. I hope we see Kiryk again. I liked him he is a good actor I also liked him when he played as the bounty hunter Odai Ventrell.

The teleport device was also very cool, I hope we'll see the race that built the device. There are too much cool things that need to be discovered, why they end the series?! If we don't gonna see Kiryk this season then I think we won't see him again on SGA.

bluealien
September 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Well after five years of being on the team and in combat situations I expected a bit more from Rodney than running around the forrest screaming like a girl. I thought he would be a litttle more level headed now in the face of danger as this was by no means his first run in with the Wraith. I don't expect him to be Ronon or Sheppard but I don't want to see him act like a screaming girl either.

Keller of course has managed though to change in the space of a few months into an adept fighter capable of bringing down a Wraith with her sticks. The ptb are obviously desparately trying to show us that she really is a great character worthy of being the CMO of Atlantis. Well all the techno babble and cool fight moves won't change the fact that she is still some wide eyed unbelievable character that I have no interest in whatsover. Her sole purpose is to pit the guys against each other as to whose affections she will return. Suddenly Rodney is in love again, he couldnt commit to Katie after he thought he was in love with her but he's ready to give it a go again with Keller as he now thinks he's in love with her.


Kiryk was the best thing about the episode and the first original character we have seen in a long time. But Rodney and Ronon running around the forest trying to save Keller was the worst part of the episode and once again Teyla seems to have gotten tossed aside, not even a mention but then with Keller being adept at fighting now as well as her other skills I guess there isnt much of a need for Teyla. Sheppard got his few minutes as he would be contracted to be in every episode. But the divided team with their new team member doesn't interest me near as much as the team of Shep/Teyla/Ronon and Rodney, but that seems to be a thing of the past.

I don't recall SG1 being split up like this and main cast members not even getting mentioned. I always felt the majority of eps had the entire team interacting and that's what I loved about SG1 and they didnt have new team members arriving to shove old ones out of the way.. and Jonas doesnt count as that was due to MS leaving....

Mack_1
September 20th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I liked 'Tracker'. I think it was a good episode. Team moments are great and I LOVE Sheppard and Teyla. But some times, it is refreshing to see something else. There will be other team moments folks, don't worry.

I enjoyed the banter between Ronon and McKay. And Keller... wow she can fight well... nice change compared to season 4 'Missing' episode.

The Runner guy was great. I think I recognized him from the episode 'Bounty' of SG-1 (season 10). Am I wrong ?

Yes to the last one.

I totally agree.

I really like this chapter.

Keller did good not freaking out and crying, instead she kept strong and did what she needed to do, and I absolutely like her fighting and kicking behind.

McKay well he is Mckay and I just finally accepted him the way he is only thing I still don’t like is WHY do the PTB need to portray the character as a coward little chicken!
HE IS IN AN INTERGALACTIC expedition for crying out loud make the character more manly or more strong.

I love the last scene with :mckay: and :ronan: really nice and good.

From the 3 I have seen the whole season this one is one of the best.

Jeyla4ever
September 20th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I miss the team and I thought this episode lacked so many things. I loved the special guest star...I can't remember his name though, sorry.

I find it hard to believe that now Ronon and Rodney are up against whose going to win Keller. I personally don't like that triangle, period.

I thought the relationship between them would be much stronger than that because we all know that friends fighting for the same girl never ends up well, so I have no interest on seeing how this bit is going to unfold without sacrificing a much stronger relationship in Ronon and Rodney, which I thought has more weight and importance since they do have to watch each other's back on a regular basis.

One thing that the Atlantis writers have done that I despised is separate the team too often, and this is a perfect example.

"nough said.

Jumper_One
September 20th, 2008, 06:10 PM
I miss the team and I thought this episode lacked so many things. I loved the special guest star...I can't remember his name though, sorry.

Mike Dopud as Kiryk

MerryK
September 20th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Keller of course has managed though to change in the space of a few months into an adept fighter capable of bringing down a Wraith with her sticks.

I think it's rather funny at how people thought Keller was actually good with those sticks. Her fighting was pretty pathetic technically, obviously that of a beginner, and she would have been taken down if she had to do it a few seconds longer. But if it had been her first priority, a few months would have been quite adequate for her to hold herself for a couple minutes, unless her opponent was above-average in skill.

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Kiryk

anyone else have an idea that Joe & co might be poking fun at all the 'shep is kirking' crit????

Skydiver
September 20th, 2008, 08:34 PM
i did shake my head at ronon and rod, 'tracking' keller's kidnapper, in a forest full of wraith, chatting at full voice

I have a personal issue with ANY character humiliated to make a story work. And, TO ME, i feel that rod is being made the butt of a joke with his feelings for keller and 'competing' with ronon for her.

but that's probably just me. It's a huge squick of mine

fumblesmcstupid
September 20th, 2008, 08:34 PM
I think Rodney and Ronon forgot the most important rule.......

Tongue firmly in cheek

BRO'S BEFORE HO'S

(no I am not calling Keller a ho! it's part of the phrase, well not intentionally) :)

mellow yellow
September 20th, 2008, 08:43 PM
I really enjoyed Tracker. I didn't think I was going to because of the spoilers, Keller being kidnapped and Love Triangle but I thought it was done well. I don't think McKay should have been any different than he was in Tracker. He was out of his "norm" I didn't find it unbelievable that he would still run away from a Wraith. Everyone goes into a fight or flee mode when face with a dangerous situation, the reaction is just your own instincts and McKay's is to flee, he will shoot, but he is going to get the heck out of there as fast as he can..and if his other more capable team mates are around he is going to scream like hell.

I don't remember who posted this but I agree, Tracker was to show the difference between McKay and Ronon. I didn't find anything out of character for either one. Kiryk was great and would have loved to learn more about him, adding the little girl to his burden of being a runner was so sad.

Keller did a great job in this episode, her character showed growth and the little fighting scene was well done. She didn't come across as having skills like Teyla, she had just enough to be able to defend herself, at least better than she was able to before.

Now for the love triangle. I'm a fan of a little romance when done right. I don't want it to be the focus of the show but its nice in the back ground.

I think it was clear that both Ronon and McKay has feelings/intentions for Jenn and I think it was clear Jenn likes Ronon, (don't know how much) McKay of all people picked up on this and thats what prompted him to go talk to Ronon. I don't think Ronon was joking around with McKay. He may have been when McKay first asked him, or he may not have understood what McKay meant by intentions or reluctant to answer because it was non of McKay's business. But Ronon and McKay are friends, yes they bicker but we've seen them risk their lives for each other so I don't think Ronon would mess with McKay about this.

Mekarri
September 20th, 2008, 10:51 PM
I really liked Tracker. I even liked Keller but I did find it odd that Teyla didn't trained her. I have always wonder why everyone in Atlantis aren't trained in hand to hand combat. Wouldn't it make sense considering that they run into the wraith often and sometimes the wraith even make it to Atlantis. I enjoy seeing the women being able to protect themselves. I enjoyed Ronon but Rodney being in love with Keller just seem wrong to me. I mean at one time he was about to asked that woman with the plants to marry him. But then he come up with some lame excuse and now all of a sudden he is ready to commit to keller? I mean what changed? Anyway I find it strange. I hope Ronon really isn't interested keller. I guess because I never really felt a connection to her character. I loved firefly but even on that show I could have done without her character. She was a weakling there also. It is also hard to watch the show knowing that it has been killed. Maybe this is why I am never satisfied.

Freek
September 21st, 2008, 02:25 AM
I think this episode shows why Atlantis is going down the drain. The writers are "pushing" their characters into a certain direction, not giving any regard for believable character growth and storylines.

McKay has apparently lost his nerve and edge to Keller somewhere, and by chance the new "love triangle" gets stranded on a planet with just the three of them. This triangle is being pushed down our throats and not for a second seems believable at all.

Not to mention the fact that this episode didn't take the overall storyline and mythology anywhere. Stand alone episodes are cool, the McKay-centric episode this season was awesome. But push to many in a season, and you just lose a sense of progression. This is why the Goa'uld storylines in SG1 worked so well, and why BSG is so good. Whoever said that you need to beat your enemies in two or three seasons? Why can't it get really ugly first? Atlantis is turning into a run-of-the-mill SciFi show where the team goes on a random adventure every week, and usually it revolves around a certain number of characters getting stuck together in one way or the other.

Maybe, instead of going into the writing room thinking "we should throw Keller, Ronon and McKay on one planet alone" you should go in more like "We're going to run into another runner, what happens next, where does it happen, who are there?"

CazzBlade
September 21st, 2008, 03:39 AM
i did shake my head at ronon and rod, 'tracking' keller's kidnapper, in a forest full of wraith, chatting at full voice

I have a personal issue with ANY character humiliated to make a story work. And, TO ME, i feel that rod is being made the butt of a joke with his feelings for keller and 'competing' with ronon for her.

but that's probably just me. It's a huge squick of mine

Oh I completely agree, I didn't like the way Rodney was portrayed in this episode at all, or the way he is around Keller full stop to be honest. At least he was written slightly better than he was in Quarantine though :S

thedrumm3rguy
September 21st, 2008, 04:02 AM
okish ep..the kind one expects before a big mid-season ep

i did laugh at the lil bit when Rodney goes to reload his gun, then realize the mag is facing the wrong way.....realistic or not, i do love that Rodney has a terrible history with handguns :D

kymeric
September 21st, 2008, 09:34 AM
Keller in missing vs keller in tracker. Now thats called character development. A person who basically crapped her pants and ran took charger of the situation and even fought back.

/Prokeller

I liked revisiting the runners, weve known since stateda theres a number of them out there on the run. This one was very noble, those wraith were right behind him so unless he kills them as they come through, bottlenecking them at the gate he is @#$%ed.

Wraith walked through the gate instead of just flying thru in ships like everyone else!

I really liked the dead wraith that stepped on a trap and his corpse was propped up by it! XD

Good episode, but then again i liked missing and this was a good thematic sequal..

Ps. If ronin leaves the show like he said in an interview a ways back i wouldnt mind this runner taking his place.

Amalthea
September 21st, 2008, 09:57 AM
I really liked this episode. It was highly entertaining.

All of McKay's Canadianisms were awesome. As a Canadian, I love when they do that. Tracker Ronon was very impressive. I think the writers were watching the show Mantracker when they came up with this since Ronon was very much like him (http://www.mantracker.ca/). The interaction between the guys was good too and I loved kick butt Keller. Kirik was cool too once he got past that kidnapping bit. Well done!

g.o.d
September 21st, 2008, 10:52 AM
this was a good episode, but Keller ninja fighting ruined it. Remeber when Teyla was fighting wraith commander in 105 with sticks? She was able to fight with him for few seconds, then Wraith beat her and now Keller was able to do the same and wraith didn't beat her. This was lame and stupid. Good work TPTB, you made this episode(which was quite good till this) lame and stupid in the very ending :rolleyes:

Wraith used to be stronger than ordinary human, but now, they're even weaker :rolleyes:

Devilish Me
September 21st, 2008, 11:20 AM
I loved this episode. After Whispers this is an AMAZING episode. I had a little problem with McKay being a 'chicken,' coz I don't see him like that (at least not any more), so that's the only thing I didn't like, but he stepped up to the plate eventually.

Loved the talk between Ronon and Rodney throughout but the final scene was great!

lopo30
September 21st, 2008, 11:25 AM
after the two realy dramatic episodes it was so hard to get back into this show
last week the queen was a bit bad still and didnt get to into the show looked like bad acting
now this weeks episode was just great and it looks like they will start to get better and better
was good that they made a new friend with nice skills but sad that he saved the atlantis team and run away
i hope we will see him agein would be fun to see ronan and the new guy side by side in some wraith action

one more thing to add is that
when will rodney learn to shoot a gun da** it have been 4.5 years in there and have serious wraith attacks and still not learned to aim and shoot not just shoot and dont watch where

Coaster
September 21st, 2008, 03:22 PM
I enjoyed this episode much more than I expected to. What I really liked was the action/suspense element of it. That was very well done. I could have done without the romance thing, because I just don't see it, but I understand that's my interpretation (and what I'd heard about the love triangle was what had made me expect not to like the ep).

This episode was also the first SGA ep that made me scream out loud. Not just a squeak or an Eep!, but full scream. Remember that scene, after they avoid the swinging spiked log, and it comes *back* and almost gets Rodney in the back of the head? I Screamed. :D

AutumnDream
September 21st, 2008, 06:58 PM
Atlantis is turning into a run-of-the-mill SciFi show where the team goes on a random adventure every week, and usually it revolves around a certain number of characters getting stuck together in one way or the other.

It's been like that since Season 2.

Rise Of The Phoenix
September 21st, 2008, 07:18 PM
Another good episode for season 5, it was it's own independant story, but harked back to Runner.
Bit of a breather until next weeks big one.

I thoroughly enjoyed this weeks episode.

Fenrir Foxz
September 21st, 2008, 07:23 PM
this was a good episode, but Keller ninja fighting ruined it. Remeber when Teyla was fighting wraith commander in 105 with sticks? She was able to fight with him for few seconds, then Wraith beat her and now Keller was able to do the same and wraith didn't beat her. This was lame and stupid. Good work TPTB, you made this episode(which was quite good till this) lame and stupid in the very ending :rolleyes:

Wraith used to be stronger than ordinary human, but now, they're even weaker :rolleyes:

If McKay had not shot the wraith it would have had Keller eventually, all she did was attack him (saving McKay) and fend off his attacks with defensive moves. I don't see how it was stupid, if anything after 'Missing' I think it was fitting for Keller to have taken up self defense lessons with either Teyla (she couldn't because of pregnancy) or Ronon and that is what happened, people have mentioned that she should have been better prepared for off world travel, well now clearly she is.

Briangate78
September 21st, 2008, 07:41 PM
If McKay had not shot the wraith it would have had Keller eventually, all she did was attack him (saving McKay) and fend off his attacks with defensive moves. I don't see how it was stupid, if anything after 'Missing' I think it was fitting for Keller to have taken up self defense lessons with either Teyla (she couldn't because of pregnancy) or Ronon and that is what happened, people have mentioned that she should have been better prepared for off world travel, well now clearly she is.

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

DragonLadyK
September 21st, 2008, 07:52 PM
That was the single most disgusting end to anything I have ever seen in my entire life. I'm having CSI/GSR flashbacks.

First: Rodney dissing is not cool. This whole "she likes Ronon better than me, wah" is not only humiliating Rodney, but playing the two against each other by not making it clear to one of them that he's the one and the other is just a friend is making Keller look even worse.

Second: Conan Ronon is not cool. Ronon already established the guy wasn't actively a threat to Keller (since he didn't kill her and she left with him when he awoke instead of bailing) so for him to launch into Kill! Kill! Kill! makes him look like a caveman. Sateda was at least a WWII level of development and Ronon grasps the basics of alternate dimensions, remember? Making him Cro-Magnon is up there with the Rodney dissing.

Third: That ending sucked. It was the heavy-handed Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Suddenly-now writing that has charaterized the whole season thus far. We haven't seen Ronon pay one second's worth of attention to Keller since "Quarantine" short of "good job" in "The Shrine." Now we're told she's taken sparring from him, which is time, but we haven't seen Ronon behave like he's into her. He's just treated her like a colleague.

Rodney, on the other hand, had a drink with her. And while one drink and a brain-damaged confession of love do not make a ship, it does establish that there is interest. Keller certainly had Rodney-interest all over the place in "Doppleganger," "Trio," and "The Shrine" (the utter lack of medical ethics of her continuing to be the primary decision maker instead of a consultant while simultaneously starting a romantic relationship on top of her previous HIPAA violations nonwithstanding).

So why, oh why, does Captain Observant who knew about Kanaan way before anyone else NOT NOTICE she's into Rodney? Ronon isn't even sure he has intentions and he's not just stepping aside for the man who definitely has real intentions? What happened to the honorable Good Friend Ronon? Why does he have intentions for her anyway, because she reminds him of Melena? That's transferrence, not love.

TPTB haven't answered any of those questions. It's just suddenly The Guys are Fighting over Keller, with no buildup or lead in at all.

And "lets let her decide" -- good fricking God. What utter tripe. God forbid Rodney just sit Keller down like an adult and ask her what's going on with Ronon, if anything.

I love the fandom, but the way TPTB are taking this show sucks. If this season wasn't the last season, it would be my last.

DragonLady

Shan Bruce Lee
September 21st, 2008, 08:19 PM
That was the single most disgusting end to anything I have ever seen in my entire life. I'm having CSI/GSR flashbacks.

First: Rodney dissing is not cool. This whole "she likes Ronon better than me, wah" is not only humiliating Rodney, but playing the two against each other by not making it clear to one of them that he's the one and the other is just a friend is making Keller look even worse.

Rodney's not exactly Brad Pitt, why would he act overconfident in that situation?


Second: Conan Ronon is not cool. Ronon already established the guy wasn't actively a threat to Keller (since he didn't kill her and she left with him when he awoke instead of bailing) so for him to launch into Kill! Kill! Kill! makes him look like a caveman. Sateda was at least a WWII level of development and Ronon grasps the basics of alternate dimensions, remember? Making him Cro-Magnon is up there with the Rodney dissing.

Well maybe you wouldn't attack somebody who'd kidnapped one of the few friends you have but I would.


Third: That ending sucked. It was the heavy-handed Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Suddenly-now writing that has charaterized the whole season thus far. We haven't seen Ronon pay one second's worth of attention to Keller since "Quarantine" short of "good job" in "The Shrine." Now we're told she's taken sparring from him, which is time, but we haven't seen Ronon behave like he's into her. He's just treated her like a colleague.

No idea what that bolded part means.
Ronon hasn't shown any interest in her because he's not. At least not in the way Rodney was talking about when Ronon was messing with him.


Rodney, on the other hand, had a drink with her. And while one drink and a brain-damaged confession of love do not make a ship, it does establish that there is interest. Keller certainly had Rodney-interest all over the place in "Doppleganger," "Trio," and "The Shrine" (the utter lack of medical ethics of her continuing to be the primary decision maker instead of a consultant while simultaneously starting a romantic relationship on top of her previous HIPAA violations nonwithstanding).

So why, oh why, does Captain Observant who knew about Kanaan way before anyone else NOT NOTICE she's into Rodney? Ronon isn't even sure he has intentions and he's not just stepping aside for the man who definitely has real intentions? What happened to the honorable Good Friend Ronon? Why does he have intentions for her anyway, because she reminds him of Melena? That's transferrence, not love.

Again - there's nothing to suggest Ronon's interested in her but a scene that lead me (and others) to believe Ronon was just messing with Rodney.


TPTB haven't answered any of those questions. It's just suddenly The Guys are Fighting over Keller, with no buildup or lead in at all.

All tptb have done is show that Rodney feels insecure compared to the stronger members of his team.


And "lets let her decide" -- good fricking God. What utter tripe. God forbid Rodney just sit Keller down like an adult and ask her what's going on with Ronon, if anything.

that's the same thing.

Ramses818
September 21st, 2008, 08:28 PM
I have to say it wasn't a bad episode despite the fact that Keller was in it.

I don't understand, something in Kyrik's logic, he couldn't tell the Atlantis team that he had a sick girl with him and that he was a runner. But he could trust them to save the little girl.

Why didn't Rodney get the gate address for that teleportation device?

Does it work like the Sodan cloaking device? If it does how do they account for there not being any mutated animals in the forest? So I guess it doesn't but it would be nice to know how.

How does Rodney fix an extremely complicated obviously shorted out hand device with a Pocket knife or whatever he was using?

Finally, for those that think Kyrik is dead, you are very wrong. He is a runner. When we first met Ronan he explained that the wraith had a hard time absorbing his life source so they made him a runner for their sport. I imagine that they would have recaptured Kyrik, reimplanted him and sent him out for another hunt. They were not out to kill him per say.

Romance: HUm, when it comes down to it, Keller isn't staying in Pegasus forever (unless the producers kill her off, to my greatful thanks) so she practically will never completely fall for Ronan because he isn't going to go to earth.

I want more travelllers. More story about them and their culture.

DragonLadyK
September 21st, 2008, 08:54 PM
Again - there's nothing to suggest Ronon's interested in her but a scene that lead me (and others) to believe Ronon was just messing with Rodney.

Mmmm. If the spoilers didn't refer to "the many loves of Keller," I would buy that. I certainly like that idea better, even if it means Ronon's an a**hole.

The "heavy-handed Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Suddenly-now" is in reference to lack of leadup TPTB are displaying in with Keller in S4 and now her ships in S5. Keller was decisive and commanding in and emergency "Adrift," then suddenly and without warning she was a flailing disaster who couldn't follow directions. Then suddenly and without warning she was interested in Ronon in "Quarantine." Then suddenly and without warning she was flouting HIPAA to flirt with Rodney even though she followed it with Teyla in "Missing." Then suddenly without warning Rodney "loves her for a while" her even though they had one drink (and Keller watching that vid over and over again was just sickening for me -- she's a doctor, he has brain damage, huh?). Then suddenly and without warning McKay and Keller aren't together even though she seemed really interested in "The Shrine." Suddenly and without warning Keller and Ronon have been spending all this time together, just like suddenly and without warning Keller's okay in a fight.

Instead of showing the viewer character and plot development (having a scene of Keller and Ronon sparring a few eps after "Missing" or at least having Teyla point her in that direction, having one of them mention a date or two before the love-thing, not having Keller suddenly oblivious to McKay's attentions after the fruit-cup thing (because if she's pretending the vid never happened I'll give her points for that)) they just backref it after the fact. That's lazy writing. It's forced.

Even without all that, there's still been a dearth of Team eps and that... is just disgusting.

DragonLady

Shan Bruce Lee
September 21st, 2008, 08:57 PM
I have to say it wasn't a bad episode despite the fact that Keller was in it.

I don't understand, something in Kyrik's logic, he couldn't tell the Atlantis team that he had a sick girl with him and that he was a runner. But he could trust them to save the little girl.

He didn't really trust her at first. He was kidnapping her to make her do it. It took her a while to convince him before he was willing to trust her. Hope that helps :)


Why didn't Rodney get the gate address for that teleportation device?

They didn't really have time for that, I guess.


Does it work like the Sodan cloaking device? If it does how do they account for there not being any mutated animals in the forest? So I guess it doesn't but it would be nice to know how.

No, the Sodan cloak used alternate dimensions. The teleportation device worked more like short-range beaming technology.

Shan Bruce Lee
September 21st, 2008, 09:05 PM
Mmmm. If the spoilers didn't refer to "the many loves of Keller," I would buy that. I certainly like that idea better, even if it means Ronon's an a**hole.

The "heavy-handed Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Suddenly-now" is in reference to lack of leadup TPTB are displaying in with Keller in S4 and now her ships in S5. Keller was decisive and commanding in and emergency "Adrift," then suddenly and without warning she was a flailing disaster who couldn't follow directions.

I don't see an inconsistency there. When she's shown the decisiveness it's been in regard to situations any doctor would be familiar with. When she's had trouble it's involved alien situations that none of them have faced before, like 'The Seed'


Then suddenly and without warning she was interested in Ronon in "Quarantine." Then suddenly and without warning she was flouting HIPAA to flirt with Rodney even though she followed it with Teyla in "Missing." Then suddenly without warning Rodney "loves her for a while" her even though they had one drink (and Keller watching that vid over and over again was just sickening for me -- she's a doctor, he has brain damage, huh?). Then suddenly and without warning McKay and Keller aren't together even though she seemed really interested in "The Shrine." Suddenly and without warning Keller and Ronon have been spending all this time together, just like suddenly and without warning Keller's okay in a fight.

The only thing I'll say about this is that all of that stuff has happened over the last 2 seasons (4&5) so it's not really that sudden.

g.o.d
September 21st, 2008, 10:25 PM
If McKay had not shot the wraith it would have had Keller eventually, all she did was attack him (saving McKay) and fend off his attacks with defensive moves. I don't see how it was stupid, if anything after 'Missing' I think it was fitting for Keller to have taken up self defense lessons with either Teyla (she couldn't because of pregnancy) or Ronon and that is what happened, people have mentioned that she should have been better prepared for off world travel, well now clearly she is.

Ï have no problem with this. But read my last sentence. The Wraith are supposed to be stronger than humans, but apparently this one wasn't. I'm not trying to find every illogical mistake in every episode for some time, but this was really lame.

Infinatus
September 21st, 2008, 10:28 PM
Ï have no problem with this. But read my last sentence. The Wraith are supposed to be stronger than humans, but apparently this one wasn't. I'm not trying to find every illogical mistake in every episode for some time, but this was really lame.

Maybe this particular Wraith was just a weakling. The whole point of hunting runners could be to weed out such Wraith, since Wraith society seems to be so social Darwinian.

Lucylee
September 21st, 2008, 10:31 PM
When I first watched this episode I was "meh", but ok, it's not my favorite but I don't expect to love every ep.
But the more I think back on it, the more I really dislike it.
For the following reasons:
I don't like the characterizations of Ronon and Rodney. Ronon was shown to be very mean and dismissive towards Rodney.
Also, Ronon was far too loud in the forest and would have drawn any Wraith in the vicinity straight to them. He was being brutish and just attacked the other runner out of sheer alpha dog "red zone (see Cesar Milan) rage"
And the Wraith! They should have called them the Wisps (Wraith Jr Scouts). What a bunch of losers. These dudes were the most incompetent bunch of bugs we've seen yet.
Rodney again with the bumbling and stumbling and comic relief.
I can hardly even believe these are the same characters that were played with such sensitivity in The Shrine.
Keller was OK, but there is no way she is better than Teyla at fighting Wraith. I agree they need to show her as a stronger character, but SuperJen is ridiculous.
The end is very sexist, what do they mean they will LET her decide which one gets her. I think that's her decision from the get go.
I HATE this ship - Rodney is just looking pathetic and "on the rebound" from Katie. All he has done for 5 years now is fall in love with women for comic relief. It is sad because he's such a proud character, it really demeans him, to see him like this.
The action in the forrest just started to drag, I looked away, I wasn't enthralled. And given that some people had problems with Whispers, I never looked away from the screen once during that one. It was far and away a better episode. This WAS like watching a boring video game where the goal is to shoot as many Wraith as possible (thanks someone for that idea).
No Teyla! What's with that? I bet she has less screen time than she did last season. I miss the Fab 4 when they are not there.
I love Rodney and Ronon and am OK with Keller, but This may go down as one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series/franchise. It portrays adult men and women with the same sensitivity as did the Irres.
Rant over, still stewing.:(

g.o.d
September 21st, 2008, 10:32 PM
Maybe this particular Wraith was just a weakling. The whole point of hunting runners could be to weed out such Wraith, since Wraith society seems to be so social Darwinian.

or he was drunk. Look, they established Wraith as the stronger species and they should follow it, not make them weaker and weaker so one little doctor can beat them or fight with him long enough so another doctor can shoot him.

bluealien
September 22nd, 2008, 02:22 AM
When I first watched this episode I was "meh", but ok, it's not my favorite but I don't expect to love every ep.
But the more I think back on it, the more I really dislike it.
For the following reasons:
I don't like the characterizations of Ronon and Rodney. Ronon was shown to be very mean and dismissive towards Rodney.
Also, Ronon was far too loud in the forest and would have drawn any Wraith in the vicinity straight to them. He was being brutish and just attacked the other runner out of sheer alpha dog "red zone (see Cesar Milan) rage"
And the Wraith! They should have called them the Wisps (Wraith Jr Scouts). What a bunch of losers. These dudes were the most incompetent bunch of bugs we've seen yet.
Rodney again with the bumbling and stumbling and comic relief.
I can hardly even believe these are the same characters that were played with such sensitivity in The Shrine.
Keller was OK, but there is no way she is better than Teyla at fighting Wraith. I agree they need to show her as a stronger character, but SuperJen is ridiculous.
The end is very sexist, what do they mean they will LET her decide which one gets her. I think that's her decision from the get go.
I HATE this ship - Rodney is just looking pathetic and "on the rebound" from Katie. All he has done for 5 years now is fall in love with women for comic relief. It is sad because he's such a proud character, it really demeans him, to see him like this.
The action in the forrest just started to drag, I looked away, I wasn't enthralled. And given that some people had problems with Whispers, I never looked away from the screen once during that one. It was far and away a better episode. This WAS like watching a boring video game where the goal is to shoot as many Wraith as possible (thanks someone for that idea).
No Teyla! What's with that? I bet she has less screen time than she did last season. I miss the Fab 4 when they are not there.
I love Rodney and Ronon and am OK with Keller, but This may go down as one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series/franchise. It portrays adult men and women with the same sensitivity as did the Irres.
Rant over, still stewing.:(

Excellent review. I totally agree.

Fenrir Foxz
September 22nd, 2008, 03:15 AM
Ï have no problem with this. But read my last sentence. The Wraith are supposed to be stronger than humans, but apparently this one wasn't. I'm not trying to find every illogical mistake in every episode for some time, but this was really lame.

I'm not sure the wraith's strength would have made that much of a difference as Keller was mostly blocking his attacks and ducking, she didn't knock the wraith to the ground and the fight lasted less than 20 seconds, the wraith had already taken some rounds and there is also size, a wraith isn't that much bigger than a human so while he couldn't reach past the stick or step through Keller's defensive moves I don't find it that hard to believe she could have held off a wraith for that amount of time.


Maybe this particular Wraith was just a weakling. The whole point of hunting runners could be to weed out such Wraith, since Wraith society seems to be so social Darwinian.

That's a good point and given what we know from 'The Queen' about wraith social structure I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

Skydiver
September 22nd, 2008, 04:12 AM
or i've thought that hunting the runners is a rite of passage....wraith 'warriors' must survive the hunt or bring back the human to pass into true warriorhood...or maybe that's how they lose the ugly face mask - and stop being canon fodder - and become an 'officer' in the army

kinda like african tribes and surviving a lion hunt

ddc
September 22nd, 2008, 06:27 AM
If McKay had not shot the wraith it would have had Keller eventually, all she did was attack him (saving McKay) and fend off his attacks with defensive moves. I don't see how it was stupid, if anything after 'Missing' I think it was fitting for Keller to have taken up self defense lessons with either Teyla (she couldn't because of pregnancy) or Ronon and that is what happened, people have mentioned that she should have been better prepared for off world travel, well now clearly she is.

Agree. It's been a year since Missing, plenty of time to learn some basic self defense.

On the Wraith being too easy to kill, I saw it as a result of the situation. They'd come tracking one Runner and were spread out. They ended up facing 4 people, 3 of them armed.

Re: Rodney's fumbling. Again, I took that as due to the circumstances. Usually when he's fighting Wraith he has a P-90, here he just had a side arm and no vest. Plus they'd been traipsing all over the place for who knows how long (the convenient short night made the length of time they were on the planet hard to guess), dodging traps and Wraith. So he was shakey, but he did reload and continue firing, then jury rigged the transporter armmband while walking which enabled the Runner to deal with the Wraith at the Gate.

Cautious Explorer
September 22nd, 2008, 10:29 AM
Mmmm. If the spoilers didn't refer to "the many loves of Keller," I would buy that. I certainly like that idea better, even if it means Ronon's an a**hole.

The "heavy-handed Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Suddenly-now" is in reference to lack of leadup TPTB are displaying in with Keller in S4 and now her ships in S5. Keller was decisive and commanding in and emergency "Adrift," then suddenly and without warning she was a flailing disaster who couldn't follow directions. Then suddenly and without warning she was interested in Ronon in "Quarantine." Then suddenly and without warning she was flouting HIPAA to flirt with Rodney even though she followed it with Teyla in "Missing." Then suddenly without warning Rodney "loves her for a while" her even though they had one drink (and Keller watching that vid over and over again was just sickening for me -- she's a doctor, he has brain damage, huh?). Then suddenly and without warning McKay and Keller aren't together even though she seemed really interested in "The Shrine." Suddenly and without warning Keller and Ronon have been spending all this time together, just like suddenly and without warning Keller's okay in a fight.

Instead of showing the viewer character and plot development (having a scene of Keller and Ronon sparring a few eps after "Missing" or at least having Teyla point her in that direction, having one of them mention a date or two before the love-thing, not having Keller suddenly oblivious to McKay's attentions after the fruit-cup thing (because if she's pretending the vid never happened I'll give her points for that)) they just backref it after the fact. That's lazy writing. It's forced.

Even without all that, there's still been a dearth of Team eps and that... is just disgusting.

DragonLady

Excellent post. TPTB are becoming fonder and fonder of the "let's pretend it happened" technique. Sloppy, sloppy writing.


Maybe this particular Wraith was just a weakling. The whole point of hunting runners could be to weed out such Wraith, since Wraith society seems to be so social Darwinian.

Then why pick the strongest people to become runners? Why not pick people of varying degrees of strength depending on the abilities of the hunter?

fumblesmcstupid
September 22nd, 2008, 11:16 AM
Not Brad Pitt :(

I get really tired of people dissin David Hewlett's looks!

Is he a handsome man?? HELL FRICKIN YES!

He has a beautiful smile, gorgeous Eyes! a great laugh and he is just awesome!

Linda06
September 22nd, 2008, 11:22 AM
Not Brad Pitt :(

I get really tired of people dissin David Hewlett's looks!

Is he a handsome man?? HELL FRICKIN YES!

He has a beautiful smile, gorgeous Eyes! a great laugh and he is just awesome!

Brad Pitts ugly anways ;) Now do you reallly want DH to be compared to him :S

But DH isn't my cup of tea but we all have different taste so don't let it get you down.....As long as you like him that's all that matters :D

Shan Bruce Lee
September 22nd, 2008, 12:31 PM
or he was drunk. Look, they established Wraith as the stronger species and they should follow it, not make them weaker and weaker so one little doctor can beat them or fight with him long enough so another doctor can shoot him.

They've established that the Wraith are stronger based on how recently they've fed. These particular Wraith could've been chasing the Runner for a long time. We don't know how long the Runner had the little girl with him after her village was destroyed.

Ruffles
September 22nd, 2008, 05:24 PM
Agree. It's been a year since Missing, plenty of time to learn some basic self defense.

I think that after a year of sparring with Ronon, she would have a lot more skills than just basic self defense. But she'll never be as good as Ronon or Teyla. She knows her skills are limited. That's why she was screaming for Rodney to hurry and shoot the Wraith.

I don't want to see Rodney become Rambo, but I don't buy that he's still that clutzy loading a weapon. Can't you see Sheppard shouting at him at the firing range to reload, practicing it until Rodney can empty a clip and reload blindfolded? Even in S1 (The Defiant One), he's got a Wraith advancing on him, Sheppard hurt, no one else around. He fires until he's out of bullets and asks what to do. Sheppard says reload. Rodney rapidly does it (without thinking or fumbling) and empties another clip. Four years later he can't do the same thing? Nope. Not buying it. Done for comic relief and it irritates me. Now, the tavern scene with the soup - perfect. Funny and true to both characters.

Inconsistency in characterization annoys me to no end - Sheppard not knowing who's on a team (don't get me started on the fist bump), Teyla suddenly unable to fight, Ronon beating the crap out of Kyrik while knowing Wraith are nearby, Rodney unable to reload a gun. Grrrr.... I'm not saying I expect perfect characters. I adore their quirks and flaws. But don't rewrite their abilities/personalities to fit the ep. I found Rodney running away from the Wraith to be perfectly in character (and completely sensible). I wasn't expecting him to wallop the Wraith with a log or set a trap or snap its neck. His aim was great, and he's either ambidextrous or he's been taught how to aim with either hand because he was shooting with his left in The Queen. I appreciate that. So don't let him look stupid by not being able to reload.

/rant.

Wilson3Girl
September 22nd, 2008, 05:43 PM
I don't want to see Rodney become Rambo, but I don't buy that he's still that clutzy loading a weapon. Can't you see Sheppard shouting at him at the firing range to reload, practicing it until Rodney can empty a clip and reload blindfolded? Inconsistency in characterization annoys me to no end - Sheppard not knowing who's on a team (don't get me started on the fist bump), Teyla suddenly unable to fight, Ronon beating the crap out of Kyrik while knowing Wraith are nearby, Rodney unable to reload a gun. Grrrr.... I'm not saying I expect perfect characters. I adore their quirks and flaws. But don't rewrite their abilities/personalities to fit the ep. /rant.

Great post! I completely agree---especially with the part I've bolded. :)

Wilson3Girl

Killdeer
September 22nd, 2008, 07:31 PM
I think that after a year of sparring with Ronon, she would have a lot more skills than just basic self defense. But she'll never be as good as Ronon or Teyla. She knows her skills are limited. That's why she was screaming for Rodney to hurry and shoot the Wraith.

I don't want to see Rodney become Rambo, but I don't buy that he's still that clutzy loading a weapon. Can't you see Sheppard shouting at him at the firing range to reload, practicing it until Rodney can empty a clip and reload blindfolded? Even in S1 (The Defiant One), he's got a Wraith advancing on him, Sheppard hurt, no one else around. He fires until he's out of bullets and asks what to do. Sheppard says reload. Rodney rapidly does it (without thinking or fumbling) and empties another clip. Four years later he can't do the same thing? Nope. Not buying it. Done for comic relief and it irritates me. Now, the tavern scene with the soup - perfect. Funny and true to both characters.

Inconsistency in characterization annoys me to no end - Sheppard not knowing who's on a team (don't get me started on the fist bump), Teyla suddenly unable to fight, Ronon beating the crap out of Kyrik while knowing Wraith are nearby, Rodney unable to reload a gun. Grrrr.... I'm not saying I expect perfect characters. I adore their quirks and flaws. But don't rewrite their abilities/personalities to fit the ep. I found Rodney running away from the Wraith to be perfectly in character (and completely sensible). I wasn't expecting him to wallop the Wraith with a log or set a trap or snap its neck. His aim was great, and he's either ambidextrous or he's been taught how to aim with either hand because he was shooting with his left in The Queen. I appreciate that. So don't let him look stupid by not being able to reload.

/rant.

I don't normally quote full posts, but I agree with every single word here. Very well said. This has been one of my biggest issues with the writers on both shows over the last few years, and I think every single character fell victim to it at one point or another. :(

angela23
September 23rd, 2008, 07:54 AM
I did not like Tracker as much as the other Episodes this Year. Mc Kay and Keller do not have any chemistry between them. They seem more desperate than anything. Mc Kay, Ronan and Keller are good actors but there is no chemistry there. It was all good acting but there was something missing. If you all want to develop a romance in the last Year of SGA make sure there is some chemistry between them or it is just flat. Sheppard and Jill had some chemistry, now that would be interesting.I'm going to DVR Brain Storm, it is supposed to be with Keller and Mc Kay. That way I can Fastforward over some of the scenes. I love SGA, but Keller and Mc Kay was a lousy Idea. I don't know if some of the Director's are just trying to mess up SGA.

angela23
September 23rd, 2008, 08:07 AM
I'm Not crazy about Tracker either, they must have been desperate for a Story, any Story. They could have found something better than Ronan, Rodney and Keller in the Woods. Rodney and Keller don't have any chemistry between them, they don't go good together. Ronan, Keller and Rodney, for all thei good acting just seem boring together. It doesn't seem funny, more desperate. All the other Episodes were a whole lot better. Did everybody run out of ideas, or did they need something fast andcheap to shoot? I'm going to see how Brain Storm is going to be, it is supp. to be Rodney and Keller. Not a good Idea.

EH-T
September 23rd, 2008, 09:30 AM
An interesting ep. Not my favorite but not bad. I miss seeing the team together.

Good stuff
* out helping the people of the galaxy - I really like the idea of them lending a hand. Great power=great responsibility and all that
* teleportation device - COOL! Loved the wriggly things when he put it back on. I'd like to meet the race he got that from
* improved tracking devices - guess the Wraith learned something after Ronon escaped their clutches. Fusing to the spine and brain stem - yikes!
* defibbing the device - I have no idea if it would really work, but it was an inventive idea
* Kerik (?) sacrificing himself - OK, I saw it coming a mile away but it was still noble
* Ronon saving the doll - big softie
* Ronon and Rodney adventure - the true odd couple - they make me laugh. The bone in Rodney's soup that Ronon gnawed on - hee!
* Keller - loved her here. Tough, protective, sure of what she was doing, the voice of reason

Not so good
* Team! Where'd the team go? No mention of Teyla? A cameo by Sheppard? Who's in charge of this expedition?
* It irritates me when Rodney is written as the comic relief. He's been in the field 5 years now and he's still struggling to reload a 9 mil? The constant conversation with Ronon about how eventually Ronon will need his skills (which never happens in the ep except with the teleportation device).
* While I found the ep moderately interesting, I wasn't drawn into the story. Lots of talking and running around in the woods.
* I do love Ronon and Rodney adventures, but this one could have been better. Running around in the woods does not favor them. Escaping a hive ship did. Being trapped in an Ancient outpost with the Wraith/Genii/new enemy of the week hunting them would. But watching Ronon track while McKay asks questions is not the best use of their rather unique relationship.

Jury's still out
* I will admit it - I'm a closet McKay/Keller fan. The little scene in the infirmary when Jennifer is impressed with Ronon - the look on Rodney's face was heartbreaking. I do admire that he had the guts to talk to Ronon about it although it's obvious (to me) he doesn't think he has a chance. Romance is a part of everyday life, and I'm not opposed to seeing it (minimally) on SGA, but I wish they'd not left it hanging. It's not something I want to see every week. And I was wondering if Ronon was serious at the end or if he was just teasing McKay....

Overall, not a bad ep. Better than Whispers but not as gripping as most of the other eps have been this season.


Stealing your post as I agree with most of it. Thanks.

The only difference is I am not a fan of the romance. Funny because I've always been a bit of a Sam/Jack shipper but maybe because I liked the fact they couldn't act on it so it was not overt. Or maybe there's just too much romance with McKay on Atlantis. First with Katie and now Keller and I really don't like the idea of a love triangle.

prion
September 23rd, 2008, 05:30 PM
Just an FYI:

Carl Binder came on to JM's blog and answered questions/talked about TRACKER

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/september-23-2008-carl-binder-up-close-and-personal-further-discussion-on-the-black-company-the-mailbag-and-a-behind-the-scenes-snippet/

for details

Ishshah
September 24th, 2008, 12:19 AM
Just an FYI:

Carl Binder came on to JM's blog and answered questions/talked about TRACKER

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/september-23-2008-carl-binder-up-close-and-personal-further-discussion-on-the-black-company-the-mailbag-and-a-behind-the-scenes-snippet/

for details

Yeah... I read it and liked his answers! I liked Tracker. The Rodney and loading gun thing was a bit hinky! But over all I thought it was a good episode!

Cheers

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2008, 01:02 AM
better than the last few. some detail and depth into things

my biggest beef? unrequited geek 'wuv' is painful

i liked keller fighting (sparring lessons) and there was no whining.

i enjoyed it, as opposed to th queen which i found boring and whispers that was just bad

Wait the Queen was boring? Not from my perspective but....:p;) As to the love triangle I quite like it it adds tension between Ronon and Rodney.

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2008, 01:14 AM
I think that after a year of sparring with Ronon, she would have a lot more skills than just basic self defense. But she'll never be as good as Ronon or Teyla. She knows her skills are limited. That's why she was screaming for Rodney to hurry and shoot the Wraith.

I don't want to see Rodney become Rambo, but I don't buy that he's still that clutzy loading a weapon. Can't you see Sheppard shouting at him at the firing range to reload, practicing it until Rodney can empty a clip and reload blindfolded? Even in S1 (The Defiant One), he's got a Wraith advancing on him, Sheppard hurt, no one else around. He fires until he's out of bullets and asks what to do. Sheppard says reload. Rodney rapidly does it (without thinking or fumbling) and empties another clip. Four years later he can't do the same thing? Nope. Not buying it. Done for comic relief and it irritates me. Now, the tavern scene with the soup - perfect. Funny and true to both characters.
I disagree. Rodney will always be Rodney and he cracks under pressure. It's not OOC or simple comic relief he just isn't as calm as Ronon or Shep when in combat.


Inconsistency in characterization annoys me to no end - Sheppard not knowing who's on a team (don't get me started on the fist bump),
Well I think I'll poke the beast here. Shepard is Military commander yes but Teldy just recently put her team together andShep hadn't yet met them. Not a huge issue IMO.

Teyla suddenly unable to fight,
UM since when? If you mean the big guy in The Queen he was a male soldier Wraith at least twice as strong as her and she had her guard down.

Ronon beating the crap out of Kyrik while knowing Wraith are nearby, Rodney unable to reload a gun. Grrrr.... I'm not saying I expect perfect characters. I adore their quirks and flaws. But don't rewrite their abilities/personalities to fit the ep.
Since when is realistic emotions and reactions a bad thing? He was pissed and wanted him dead. Sounds like Ronon to me.

I found Rodney running away from the Wraith to be perfectly in character (and completely sensible). I wasn't expecting him to wallop the Wraith with a log or set a trap or snap its neck. His aim was great, and he's either ambidextrous or he's been taught how to aim with either hand because he was shooting with his left in The Queen. I appreciate that. So don't let him look stupid by not being able to reload.

/rant.
In the Queen his judgment wasn't clouded over fear of loosing someone he loves.

Ruffles
September 24th, 2008, 08:49 AM
I disagree. Rodney will always be Rodney and he cracks under pressure. It's not OOC or simple comic relief he just isn't as calm as Ronon or Shep when in combat.

I wasn't expecting Rodney to calmly battle the Wraith. But why can he easily reload in The Defiant One and 4 YEARS later can't in Tracker? I found him running from the Wraith screaming for help to be perfectly in character. But Rodney does not crack under pressure. That's when he's at his best.


Well I think I'll poke the beast here. Shepard is Military commander yes but Teldy just recently put her team together andShep hadn't yet met them. Not a huge issue IMO.

Poke away. :P In every ep we've seen Shep interact with the soldiers under his command, he's known every name and what their capabilities are. I find it completely unbelievable that he wouldn't take the time to at least review the makeup of a team especially when the commander of the team is new to Pegasus.


UM since when? If you mean the big guy in The Queen he was a male soldier Wraith at least twice as strong as her and she had her guard down.

Teyla had her guard down. In the middle of a Wraith ship. You don't see anything slightly off with that idea?

Who is their right mind would not be buzzing with adrenaline the entire time? She can hold her own with Ronon and yet hardly puts up any kind of fight with this Wraith. Supposedly she's fighting for her life and to make sure her son doesn't grow up without a mother.


Since when is realistic emotions and reactions a bad thing? He was pissed and wanted him dead. Sounds like Ronon to me.

Any other time I would agree. But Ronon didn't survive 7 years running from the Wraith by letting his emotions have free reign. He's smarter than that. To pick a fight with Kyrik while the Wraith are hunting them is the height of stupidity. Not only are they making TONS of noise, they aren't watching for the Wraith.


In the Queen his judgment wasn't clouded over fear of loosing someone he loves.

No one other than himself and Ronon and Teyla and Sheppard. And it had nothing to do with cloudy judgment. His judgment wasn't impaired. He was suddenly incapable of loading a gun. Once it's reloaded, he's able to fire flawlessly at the Wraith without hitting Keller. I would have more easily believed his hands were shaking and his aim was bad than him trying to load the mag in backward.

Linda06
September 24th, 2008, 11:03 AM
I caved in and watched tracker....Wasn't as bad as i was expecting.....Runner guys was hot :D Keller wasn't whiny....Rodney was a bit though :S

Could have so done without the preening at the beginning and the scene in the gateroom :S Still don't like Keller though :p

They should stop shoving this McKellOn down ours throats though...

And please tell them to stop with this McKeller crap :S For a ship to work the character sfirst need to have chemistry together...Something that Rodney and Keller so do not have (IMHO :p) Felt sorry for the poor runner sacrificing himdself like that to draw the wraith away :( I hope he's still alive out there somewhere..

So not impressed with them turning Keller into kung fu Keller :mckay:

What, the week before Teyla gets thrown about like a ragdoll and the week after Keller can fend of a wraith.....Have they switched bodies or something :confused:

And then the end bit with Ronon and McKay :mckay:

"let her decide?" Well i wish she would just choose already and stop shoving it down our throats :S

"may the best man win?" What...Are we in the 19th century again or something :S What the hell was that......Stupid....

And what happened to their "main characters will not be involved romantically" scenario.....What...Keller comes and it's out the window now :mckay:

Oh no wait...."main characters will not be involved romantically" unless your McKay and Keller :mckay:

Linda06
September 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Oh and p.s. I'm still pretty pissed that Teyla was missing in two of the last three eps :mad:

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2008, 12:29 PM
I wasn't expecting Rodney to calmly battle the Wraith. But why can he easily reload in The Defiant One and 4 YEARS later can't in Tracker? I found him running from the Wraith screaming for help to be perfectly in character. But Rodney does not crack under pressure. That's when he's at his best.

Re The bolded part: Are we talking about the same Rodney? He rarely is calm under pressure and the only reason he didn't crack in Defiant One is because Shep was there telling him what to do and that was one Wraith and his judgment wasn't clouded.


Poke away. :P In every ep we've seen Shep interact with the soldiers under his command, he's known every name and what their capabilities are. I find it completely unbelievable that he wouldn't take the time to at least review the makeup of a team especially when the commander of the team is new to Pegasus.
I disagree. Shep is much like Oneill in the fact that he does not read his memos and skimps on the paperwork and we are talking about the military here and often times things are said and done before you even see the paperwork.




Teyla had her guard down. In the middle of a Wraith ship. You don't see anything slightly off with that idea?
Considering that this was a very unique situation and her not knowing how to act no I don't.


Who is their right mind would not be buzzing with adrenaline the entire time? She can hold her own with Ronon and yet hardly puts up any kind of fight with this Wraith. Supposedly she's fighting for her life and to make sure her son doesn't grow up without a mother.
She did put up a fight but she was not match for him one on one with no weapons at all.




Any other time I would agree. But Ronon didn't survive 7 years running from the Wraith by letting his emotions have free reign. He's smarter than that. To pick a fight with Kyrik while the Wraith are hunting them is the height of stupidity. Not only are they making TONS of noise, they aren't watching for the Wraith.
I disagree. For seven years he was alone and couldn't make ties with anyone for fear of them being destroyed now he is part of our team and has feelings for Keller and he let his emotions get in the way of reason.




No one other than himself and Ronon and Teyla and Sheppard. And it had nothing to do with cloudy judgment. His judgment wasn't impaired. He was suddenly incapable of loading a gun. Once it's reloaded, he's able to fire flawlessly at the Wraith without hitting Keller. I would have more easily believed his hands were shaking and his aim was bad than him trying to load the mag in backward.
I disagree.

somme
September 24th, 2008, 09:07 PM
I fell asleep during this episode. Granted I had just finished a busy bar shift at a night club...but still...it was quite boring.

Ruffles
September 24th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Re The bolded part: Are we talking about the same Rodney? He rarely is calm under pressure and the only reason he didn't crack in Defiant One is because Shep was there telling him what to do and that was one Wraith and his judgment wasn't clouded.

Yep. The same Rodney. You said he cracked under pressure originally. I disagree with that.

From Inferno:


McKAY: Oh, maybe I can fix it. Place the pressure squarely on my shoulders for a change!

SHEPPARD: Well, I've discovered you're pretty good under the threat of impending death!

You will never hear me say calm and Rodney in the same sentence. Rodney isn't calm in any situation least of all when he thinks his life is threatened. However, he does do his best work in those situations.

As for Sheppard telling him what to do in The Defiant One, Sheppard said reload which Rodney did. At least Rodney's learned to reload. He just suddenly lost the ability to do so in Tracker.

What cloudy judgment? What decision did he make that was clouded by Keller being threatened?


I disagree. Shep is much like Oneill in the fact that he does not read his memos and skimps on the paperwork and we are talking about the military here and often times things are said and done before you even see the paperwork.

Point me to the ep where Shep hasn't read his memo or skimps on his paperwork.

Regardless, I wasn't intending that I thought Shep had the paperwork filled out in triplicate. I simply don't buy that he doesn't know the makeup of the teams he is responsible for. Especially when they are commanded by someone who just arrived in Pegasus.


Considering that this was a very unique situation and her not knowing how to act no I don't.

I agree this was a unique situation. All the more reason to keep her guard up. The Wraith are her mortal enemies, and she is without her people, her team, her weapons - anything she would normally rely on. No way she lets down her guard.


She did put up a fight but she was not match for him one on one with no weapons at all.

She stuck a knife in him then got backhanded and tossed across the room. Wasn't much of a fight. This isn't the first time she's fought Wraith hand-to-hand. This is just the first time she's failed so miserably at it. She just seemed to forget how to defend herself.


I disagree. For seven years he was alone and couldn't make ties with anyone for fear of them being destroyed now he is part of our team and has feelings for Keller and he let his emotions get in the way of reason.

Yeah, that sounds like Ronon.

I agree - he is part of the team. Whether he has romantic feelings for Keller or not aside, I do think he cares for her as a person and as a member of the expedition. All the more reason for him to be at his best instead of having a schoolyard fight in the middle of a Wraith hunt. Keller is screaming at the top of her lungs for them to stop. Nothing about that would draw the Wraith. Perfectly good plan.


I disagree.

Then we shall agree to disagree. :P

surfcity
September 25th, 2008, 01:22 AM
Really enjoyed this epi. They just keep getting better and better. Happy that Ronin got more than 2 lines.

This has really been a great season, but it's painful watching the episodes knowing it's all going to end soon. The show has really come into its own this season. Arrrrrgh!

As far as Keller is concerned, I vote for the hunk over the geek.

idlewild202
September 25th, 2008, 11:16 PM
OH MY FREKING GOSH!! Atlantis is NOT a SOAP OPERA!!!! *bangs head against wall*
I hate love triangles in sci-fi! *fumes*

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That said... moving on.

This episode was watchable, not outstanding, but not boring either. Loved that we got to meet another Runner! I really liked this character for some reason. He struck me as a guy who isn't a warrior at heart (like Ronon) but a down to earth family man who has been forced into living the life of a fugitive by the wraith. I was sad that he sacrificed himself... I was oh so desperately hoping that the gate would come back on and he'd come running though, having lost the wraith on the other side.

Aside from that... it was an ok episode. Rodney cracks me up... but at the same time, I've noticed this interesting trend lately of the writers doing comic relief with pauses on just one character (seen mostly with woolsey), not sure how to explain it though.

Anyway... I enjoyed it. Could have been better *cough*no love triangles*cough*, but overall I'd give it a 3 out of 5 (just because I like the runner character--cannot spell his name for the life of me--ok, ok, I admit... he was pretty damn good looking ;)).

Did I mention that I really hate soapy love triangles? They have their place... and in OTHER SHOWS that they are suited for I like them. I will ship... in fanfic, but ugh, this whole Rodney loves Keller (I keep noticing how I refuse to use her first name, even when I think about her) is getting way overdone... and now Ronon in the mix? *gags*

Ok... I'll stop ranting. If you haven't guessed... I'm incredibly anti-keller :p

Lenas
September 26th, 2008, 03:28 AM
OH MY FREKING GOSH!! Atlantis is NOT a SOAP OPERA!!!! *bangs head against wall*
I hate love triangles in sci-fi! *fumes*

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That said... moving on.

This episode was watchable, not outstanding, but not boring either. Loved that we got to meet another Runner! I really liked this character for some reason. He struck me as a guy who isn't a warrior at heart (like Ronon) but a down to earth family man who has been forced into living the life of a fugitive by the wraith. I was sad that he sacrificed himself... I was oh so desperately hoping that the gate would come back on and he'd come running though, having lost the wraith on the other side.

Aside from that... it was an ok episode. Rodney cracks me up... but at the same time, I've noticed this interesting trend lately of the writers doing comic relief with pauses on just one character (seen mostly with woolsey), not sure how to explain it though.

Anyway... I enjoyed it. Could have been better *cough*no love triangles*cough*, but overall I'd give it a 3 out of 5 (just because I like the runner character--cannot spell his name for the life of me--ok, ok, I admit... he was pretty damn good looking ;)).

Did I mention that I really hate soapy love triangles? They have their place... and in OTHER SHOWS that they are suited for I like them. I will ship... in fanfic, but ugh, this whole Rodney loves Keller (I keep noticing how I refuse to use her first name, even when I think about her) is getting way overdone... and now Ronon in the mix? *gags*

Ok... I'll stop ranting. If you haven't guessed... I'm incredibly anti-keller :p

Me too:p
It's Keller and nothing else, and she is not part of The TEAM!

Always feel welcome over to the anti Keller thread:)
We have so much fun!

elliecat
September 26th, 2008, 04:39 AM
OH MY FREKING GOSH!! Atlantis is NOT a SOAP OPERA!!!! *bangs head against wall*
I hate love triangles in sci-fi! *fumes*

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That said... moving on.

This episode was watchable, not outstanding, but not boring either. Loved that we got to meet another Runner! I really liked this character for some reason. He struck me as a guy who isn't a warrior at heart (like Ronon) but a down to earth family man who has been forced into living the life of a fugitive by the wraith. I was sad that he sacrificed himself... I was oh so desperately hoping that the gate would come back on and he'd come running though, having lost the wraith on the other side.

Aside from that... it was an ok episode. Rodney cracks me up... but at the same time, I've noticed this interesting trend lately of the writers doing comic relief with pauses on just one character (seen mostly with woolsey), not sure how to explain it though.

Anyway... I enjoyed it. Could have been better *cough*no love triangles*cough*, but overall I'd give it a 3 out of 5 (just because I like the runner character--cannot spell his name for the life of me--ok, ok, I admit... he was pretty damn good looking ;)).

Did I mention that I really hate soapy love triangles? They have their place... and in OTHER SHOWS that they are suited for I like them. I will ship... in fanfic, but ugh, this whole Rodney loves Keller (I keep noticing how I refuse to use her first name, even when I think about her) is getting way overdone... and now Ronon in the mix? *gags*

Ok... I'll stop ranting. If you haven't guessed... I'm incredibly anti-keller :p

I quite agree with all of the above! In other shows I do like the romance stuff, but Atlantis (imo) just can't do it well to save their lives, it just comes across so badly. :S

I am the same, I cannot use Keller's first name either, that would kinda cement the fact that she is a regular and I just can't accept that (still! ;) :p)

Her fighting off a wraith is just laughable though, just so over the top ridiculous imo I just had to laugh! :D


Me too:p
It's Keller and nothing else, and she is not part of The TEAM!

Always feel welcome over to the anti Keller thread:)
We have so much fun!

What she said :cool: :)

Mitchell82
September 26th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Yep. The same Rodney. You said he cracked under pressure originally. I disagree with that.

From Inferno:



You will never hear me say calm and Rodney in the same sentence. Rodney isn't calm in any situation least of all when he thinks his life is threatened. However, he does do his best work in those situations.
I'll grant you that.


As for Sheppard telling him what to do in The Defiant One, Sheppard said reload which Rodney did. At least Rodney's learned to reload. He just suddenly lost the ability to do so in Tracker.

What cloudy judgment? What decision did he make that was clouded by Keller being threatened?
No he didn't. As stated Rodney does not stay calm all the time and the circumstances you gave are different. In this case Rodney was alone by himself and he got really agitated. Also the life of a woman he really cares for was in jeopardy.




Point me to the ep where Shep hasn't read his memo or skimps on his paperwork.
Ok I will it's First Strike.


Regardless, I wasn't intending that I thought Shep had the paperwork filled out in triplicate. I simply don't buy that he doesn't know the makeup of the teams he is responsible for. Especially when they are commanded by someone who just arrived in Pegasus.
All commanders don't know the name, serial numbers and rank of every single person under their command especially if that commander is not on base that often and is out in the field. The example I gave shows that.




I agree this was a unique situation. All the more reason to keep her guard up. The Wraith are her mortal enemies, and she is without her people, her team, her weapons - anything she would normally rely on. No way she lets down her guard.
She was trying to keep up appearances and he was twice her size and twice as strong.




She stuck a knife in him then got backhanded and tossed across the room. Wasn't much of a fight. This isn't the first time she's fought Wraith hand-to-hand. This is just the first time she's failed so miserably at it. She just seemed to forget how to defend herself.
I disagree.




Yeah, that sounds like Ronon.

I agree - he is part of the team. Whether he has romantic feelings for Keller or not aside, I do think he cares for her as a person and as a member of the expedition. All the more reason for him to be at his best instead of having a schoolyard fight in the middle of a Wraith hunt. Keller is screaming at the top of her lungs for them to stop. Nothing about that would draw the Wraith. Perfectly good plan.
He was high on adrenaline and he wanted him to pay for kidnapping Keller. When Ronon gets like that reason goes out the window same as Teal'c would have done.




Then we shall agree to disagree. :P
That I can agree with.:cool::p

Rac80
September 26th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Oh and p.s. I'm still pretty pissed that Teyla was missing in two of the last three eps :mad:

I missed Teyla too! we need more teyla.
Oh as for tracker I loved it...except for the fact Mckay was in it! THE MAN WHINES TOO MUCH!

Linda06
September 26th, 2008, 01:28 PM
I missed Teyla too! we need more teyla.
Oh as for tracker I loved it...except for the fact Mckay was in it! THE MAN WHINES TOO MUCH!

The only good theing about tracker was Ronon and the hot new runner guy......Why can't we keep him :(

Dusk
September 26th, 2008, 06:20 PM
It's episodes like these that reinforce why the show got cancelled. These people just don't know how to do sci-fi sometimes. Actually, make that 'most of the time'.

idlewild202
September 26th, 2008, 11:11 PM
The only good theing about tracker was Ronon and the hot new runner guy......Why can't we keep him :(I know huh! :( He was really hot :D

prion
September 27th, 2008, 05:08 AM
http://stargate.mgm.com/news_detail.php?id=105

excerpt:

"I’d always been wanting to do a follow up episode to ‘Missing’, like a year later,” he explains. “I was trying to come up with a story in which I could once again throw Keller into some sort of difficult situation, facing adversity, so I could show how being a part of Atlantis for a year has changed her. She’s no longer the fish out of water, but somebody who can roll with it and face it. So I really wanted to show how she had changed. I thought this would be a perfect opportunity to do that. Obviously, she’s afraid, but she’s also taking charge of the situation. One, she’s trying to escape, and two, she’s trying to deal with this guy, and show some strength in the middle of this adversity.”

REST AT LINK ABOVE

oH, DON'T know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the actor who played the tracker played a bounty hunter in an SG1 episode - in fact, the episode just aired yesterday on SciFi (the one where Cam is back home and vala's with him at the school reunion)

Linda06
September 27th, 2008, 07:10 AM
I know huh! :( He was really hot :D

Yep....I wouldn't mind seeing him again :D

hisg1fans
September 27th, 2008, 09:07 AM
I really enjoyed this episode.

Liked seeing another 'runner' and lots of Wraith again. I recognized him from SG1 and, yes, I would like to see him back too. :samanime51:

The 'tracker' Wraith seemed to have disappeared for a while. Those long coats are just too 'bad a$$'.

Rodney was Rodney and for once I found him funny. Whiny again, yes. I haven't come to expect much more. But, Ronan offset some of the annoyance. I liked them on the screen together. I'm just glad to have an episode without much of Sheppard for once.

I do like the fact that both men are after Keller and are knowingly competing for her in a 'gentlemanly manner'. I wonder how long the 'gentlemanly manner' will last and who will start to play dirty first? My bet is on Rodney playing dirty first. And that will be why he loses her.

I also wonder, does Keller know both Ronan and Rodney know both are after her?

Good stories have lots of room for lots of plot lines. The underlying romance didn't take away from the rest of the episode, IMO. It gave some added layers.

nx01a
September 28th, 2008, 09:06 AM
Let's get through this one real quick...

The Good:
>The organic-looking teleporter. Foreshadowing, anyone?
>Those beautiful shots of the alien world we call Vancouver.
>Keller being able to fight, albeit very slowly using very basic moves. At least they worked. Teyla's got her evolving tech skills and Keller's learning to fight. Very good.
>He may be a good runner, but he's a horrible doll-maker. Still, bless. He tried.

The Bad:
>Hanging lampshades seems to be the writers' technique of choice this season. They did it in 'Whispers' drawing attention to the fact that the show was a horror movie, and they did it here with Rodney pointing out his very role in the whole thing: at some point, there'll be some tech problem and he'll fix it. Ugh.
>Whiney Rodney. Angry Ronon. Dim-witted Keller. A 'Trio' I'd rather not encounter again. Oh, for an episode with Woolsey, Teyla and Lorne [or Zelenka] trapped somewhere. Mckay complained, Ronon tried to kill a man who he'd already figured out Keller was helping AND there was a child involved, Keller tried to run away at a leisurely pace from an armed kidnapper and is in awe of a teleporter. It was bad enough the first time, never again.
>The final scene with the two guys agreeing to compete for Keller's heart. Ugh. "Ug want Una. Ug and Og fight for her!" Where's her say in this? Who says she's interested in either of them? She needs to appear with another doctor or tech having dinner or a kiss and shatter both of their delusions, or just verbally rip them to shreds for acting like little boys fighting over a toy.
>The runner was seriously gonna drag that kid around for the rest of her no doubt short life? What is this? Lone Wolf and Cub? Drop the girl off at the first village and get outta there! Perhaps he wanted to keep some semblance of a normal life with him, someone to care for, etc. but this is the wrong way to do it. Poor guy. Dang Wraith!
>The Kawoosh: It's just half an effect that gets reversed. Looked quite cheesy in this episode.
>Is this the way we use main characters who have no part in the actual story, bring them in for the first and last scene?
>And where was Teyla?! Honeymoon?

The Verdict:
>The Wraith action was cool. The teleporter was very cool. I liked the new runner. Nothing else to report. I won't be rewatching this one. Save us, Daniel!!!!!

Mitchell82
September 28th, 2008, 08:49 PM
I really enjoyed this episode.

Liked seeing another 'runner' and lots of Wraith again. I recognized him from SG1 and, yes, I would like to see him back too. :samanime51:

The 'tracker' Wraith seemed to have disappeared for a while. Those long coats are just too 'bad a$$'.

Rodney was Rodney and for once I found him funny. Whiny again, yes. I haven't come to expect much more. But, Ronan offset some of the annoyance. I liked them on the screen together. I'm just glad to have an episode without much of Sheppard for once.

I do like the fact that both men are after Keller and are knowingly competing for her in a 'gentlemanly manner'. I wonder how long the 'gentlemanly manner' will last and who will start to play dirty first? My bet is on Rodney playing dirty first. And that will be why he loses her.

I also wonder, does Keller know both Ronan and Rodney know both are after her?

Good stories have lots of room for lots of plot lines. The underlying romance didn't take away from the rest of the episode, IMO. It gave some added layers.
I have to agree.

garhkal
September 29th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Well i watched my second ep of the season (the rest showed while i was still in Iraq/Kuwait) and here are my thoughts. I loved how they had this 'runner' showig remorse for his actions by taking on the kid, much like how Ronin had remorse for his bringing the wraith down on that one village back in Sadeta.
I also liked how they made the guy the same as that bounty hunter from early SG1. He was a good fighter.
My only dislike is how they ended it. We will never know if he survives, but i would like to know if the 'shock' keller gave him disabled the tracking device, or just shut it down for a while..

Matt G
October 14th, 2008, 03:29 PM
1. I like the transporter trick.

2. Way to make it blatent early on that McKay and Dex are just on this trip to compete for Keller's attention - not sure I liked that angle.

3. Sort of liked Kiryk but wasn't sure just what he was planning to do with the kid long term.

4. Ouch those spikes looked sharp.

Generally decent apart from the whole ship thing, not as good as last week though.

Falcon Horus
October 20th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Late, I know... and I'm not going to read through a gazillion pages, I will have forgotten what I wanted to say.

I just watched Tracker - wow, was that interesting? :S

A few points:

* Keller wasn't as annoying as I would have thought. I think I kinda ... not really liked her, but not really disliked her either. *shrug*

* Ronon and Rodney running around the forest was hilarious. Too bad it wasn't a team episode. I'm sure there could have been room for Sheppard and Teyla to tag along somehow.

* Ronon's definitely yanking McKay's chain at the end of this episode.

* cool teleportation device, too bad it was nothing but a mere mention/plotdevice and we won't hear from or see it again.

This was an average to meh episode. No Teyla doesn't generally score high in my list.

Ava H.
December 10th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Okay, mm, Im quite late here, but I thought it would be good to start posting about my favourite epsiode so far. Of course favourite episode in Season 5 ...
Tracker wasn't bad, I've enjoyed it ... despite that same forest again and again ... but the best thing about this one was Kiryk and I think he would deserve a better storyline to be built around him. Better than to be a 'stunt' in a love-triangle story.
I kinda liked Keller's character development. Kaylee still rocks but Keller started to be worth watching too ... better late than never.

Jumper_One
January 28th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Joe posted a Q&A with Mike Dopud (Kiryk) (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/january-28-2009-actor-mike-dopud-answers-your-questions/) on his blog ;)

Angela V
February 20th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Me. I loved this episode. I love Rodney, Ronan and Jennifer and actually enjoyed the so called love triangle. Rodney did not seem to regress to me. He was running from a Wraith and turned around to shoot as he ran. I was impressed with that. Though I do wonder why John gets a P90 and Rodney gets a handgun. The scene where Rodney was having trouble with the clip I thought was because the woman he loves is in trouble and that just made him nervous.
Enjoyed all the team interaction and sad that guest starring guy had to scarifice himself. sniffle.

I liked the end scene with Ronan and McKay because they agreed that Jennifer should decide (though I thought Ronan was yanking McKay's chain about his interest in Jennifer). I'm sick of the usual lets fight to see who gets the woman and the woman has to interject that she can make up her own damn mind. Besides the" geeky know it all" not knowing what to do about falling in love reminds me so much of my hubby, it makes me smile (we've been married now for 10 years and have 2 kids)

major davis
April 13th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Kinda boring, Keller just whined a alot, the hand to hand scene was cool and the tension between rodney and ronan was hilarious

mrscopterdoc
September 16th, 2010, 03:00 PM
OH MY FREKING GOSH!! Atlantis is NOT a SOAP OPERA!!!! *bangs head against wall*
I hate love triangles in sci-fi! *fumes*

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That said... moving on.

ugh, this whole Rodney loves Keller (I keep noticing how I refuse to use her first name, even when I think about her) is getting way overdone... and now Ronon in the mix? *gags*

Ok... I'll stop ranting. If you haven't guessed... I'm incredibly anti-keller :p




I am the same, I cannot use Keller's first name either, that would kinda cement the fact that she is a regular and I just can't accept that (still! ;) :p)

Her fighting off a wraith is just laughable though, just so over the top ridiculous imo I just had to laugh! :D


omg so very true. It just keeps geting worse and worse...and I agree about calling her "Keller" :P

maneth
March 8th, 2011, 11:11 AM
Cool eppy, loved it! Ronon at his best. It would have been nice to see the other tracker again...

mathpiglet
October 11th, 2012, 02:24 PM
I agree, Maneth. I enjoyed this episode and wish we could see the other tracker again. One of my favourite season 5 episodes.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 11th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Average episode.

Dr Keller has some fighting skills.

Tomorrow, the final Atlantis midseason finale, Daniel comes to Atlantis.

Krisz
October 13th, 2012, 06:29 AM
Keller being threatened in a forest again? Maybe she should stop going off world!

A pretty boring episode for me as again the focus is on Keller and the ongoing irritating 'romantic interest' thing with her, Ronon and McKay! The only thing that made this episode interesting was Mike Dopud as the Runner with the great advantage over his enemy with his personal matter transportation device.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 17th, 2012, 04:01 AM
An alright ep.

That was an awkward start. I got it, I'm good, I got it, I'm good. You got it.

Rodney running from the Wraith was funny. He actually held his own pretty well in this ep I thought. Actually managed to kill a Wraith himself.

Mike Dupod is usually a good actor. But I don't think the role really let him show off his stuff. Ronon is cooler anyway ;)

Matt G
October 20th, 2012, 03:39 PM
Midweek, another ep of Atlantis...

1. Forgot about Kiryk's beam tech.

2. Rodney and the Wraith was a good laugh.

3. Interesting how respectful Ronon was of Kiryk.

4. Who we're not going to see again. Bummer.

Solid ep.

jelgate
October 21st, 2012, 08:25 PM
This one is a mixed. I don't care for McKay and Ronon arguing over finding Keller like a bunch of school children. Its over the top and just seems wrong and dull. What interested me more was Kiryak and his interaction with Keller and the little girl. It was interesting to explore a different side of a Runner. I always get this feeling that Ronon would rather forget his time as a Runner and that is mostly forgotten. I like seeing what kind of person Kiryak is and he is just desperate and is similar to Ronon in how he feels guility of what he did to that little girl's family due to his tracking device. I remember some fans claiming Keller's fighting ability. I always figured she could hold off better was she had a pure defensive stance while Teyla and Ronon will also go on the offensive giving them more areas of vulnerability. Kiryak luring the Wraith in seems like a story that could be continued if their had been a S6. Yes the Wraith tracked him through the gate but Kiryak has battled Wraith before and he no longer has a tracking device so it would have been interested to see that part of the story continue

Lythisrose
October 21st, 2012, 10:32 PM
The idea of another runner could have been extremely interesting, but Keller running through the woods again kind of killed the episode for me. Not one I've ever rewatched.

garhkal
October 27th, 2012, 10:52 PM
One thing i wanted to know... Why they never explored where he got that device more..

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 28th, 2012, 02:53 AM
Would have been nice to see McKay working on it in a later ep at least.

garhkal
October 28th, 2012, 11:51 AM
Heck, just a mention in a later ep that they had tried tracking down the world that he mentioned only to find the Asurans had levelled it.

Lythisrose
January 26th, 2013, 05:04 PM
From Joe Mallozzi's Blog (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/january-25-2013-tracker/):

TRACKER (509)
Pitching for an established series can be a daunting task at the best of times, but imagine trying to pitch to a mythologically complex production that already has some 300 stories under its belt? This was the uphill battle that faced every freelancer interested in writing for Stargate. It seemed that whenever someone pitched to us, it would invariably be an idea that we had done, had considered doing and discounted, or were in process of doing. Under those circumstances, it’s hard to imagine a scenario whereby any outsider could land a story. But while the odds were always stacked against them, a few prevailed – due in large part to Executive Producers Robert Cooper and Brad Wright ability to seize on even the most insubstantial of notions and spin them into a workable episode.

I don’t think I can remember a time that someone came in and landed a contract based on an idea they pitched. More often than not, they would pitch an idea which would give Brad or Robert another idea that would be spun into something workable – BUT because that initial idea gave them the actual idea they used, the freelancer would be given credit for inspiring the whole process. In the case of Tracker, it was one step even further removed in that that the episode was based on an idea that wasn’t even borne out of the original idea pitched. What happened was that during the pitch, Robert Cooper seized on the word “tracker” to spin out a completely different story about a fellow runner. Only problem was no one had said the word “tracker”. Rob had misheard “track her” and taken it from there.

Still, at the end of the day, if that freelancer hadn’t come in to pitch, it’s safe to say that Tracker (or, at the very least, the episode as we know it) would have never been made. So kudos to all – especially Executive Producer Carl Binder who ended up writing one of the most entertaining scripts of the show’s final season.

Speaking of Carl: Little known fact about this episode: Exec. Producer Carl Binder was originally cast in the role of the virile and ruggedly handsome Kiryk but had to bow out after sustaining a groin injury while racing for the lunch truck. As a result, we had to go with our second choice, the equally great Mike Dopud. Here are some shots of Carl from that initial costume fitting…

Photos:

Yikes! Imagine running into this guy in a dark alley. (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1207.jpg)
Beefcake! Beeefcaaaake!!! (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1208.jpg)
Uh, okay, but where are we going to find a stone oven? (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1209.jpg)
Hey, lookit what was lying around the shop! (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1210.jpg)
Jenni-Ryk out and about (photo @MGM Television) (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1212.jpg)
Stabby stabby (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1215.jpg)
Director Will Waring gives the troops their marching orders. (photo @MGM Television) (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1213.jpg)
Build your kids a backyard playground. Here’s how! (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1214.jpg)

Cluas
February 25th, 2013, 11:43 AM
Except for the McKay/Ronon fight over Keller, this episode was exciting and very well made. I enjoyed it a lot.

Yeah, Keller in the woods, seen it before, but it was cool to me. And she even killed a wraith.
Good to see another runner too. And awesome bracelet he had found. Guess we won't see him again, even though that would have been really interesting.

Didn't really miss Shep or Teyla on this one...

mrscopterdoc
August 21st, 2014, 06:56 PM
Keller being threatened in a forest again? Maybe she should stop going off world!

agreed!

garhkal
August 22nd, 2014, 09:16 PM
If they stopped going off planet every time they got threatened they would just stay on atlantis. And that would be boring!

jelgate
August 22nd, 2014, 09:44 PM
But it would be more practical and reasonable

Night Maiden
September 10th, 2014, 12:07 AM
Wow, so many wraith commanders! What a treat. *dreamy eyed*