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stevearm07
August 12th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Outstanding episode of Atlantis. Best Stargate ep for years in my opinion. I can't quite believe it was written by the same <mod snip> that have been serving up so much crap for years.

Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending. Obviously with a few tweaks.

Now all they need to do is get rid of the terrible Keller character, get rid of Woolsey, start using the Stargate more and they'll at least be on the right track.

Oh and firing M&M would be good too.

jumper2
August 12th, 2008, 04:35 PM
Outstanding episode of Atlantis. Best Stargate ep for years in my opinion. I can't quite believe it was written by the same ****s that have been serving up so much crap for years.

Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending. Obviously with a few tweaks.

Now all they need to do is get rid of the terrible Keller character, get rid of Woolsey, start using the Stargate more and they'll at least be on the right track.

Oh and firing M&M would be good too.

Why do you even watch the show?

DigiFluid
August 12th, 2008, 04:36 PM
I'll agree that Unending was a piece of crap, but Daedalus Variations wasn't exactly a winner itself. Apart from a few neat scenes, it was mostly just boring. Though I suppose that may be a (marginal) step up from bad.

The Prophet
August 12th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Why do you even watch the show?

Because certain episodes like The Daedalus Variations are good. :)

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Outstanding episode of Atlantis. Best Stargate ep for years in my opinion. I can't quite believe it was written by the same <mod snip> that have been serving up so much crap for years.

Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending. Obviously with a few tweaks.

Now all they need to do is get rid of the terrible Keller character, get rid of Woolsey, start using the Stargate more and they'll at least be on the right track.

Oh and firing M&M would be good too.Keeping Keller. Good. keeping Woolsey great. I am so enjoying his character and the reactions that he is having with the rest of the team, his character is exactly what I wanted from it, along with a lot more.
And for the most part, IMO, SG has not been crap for the last few years. Aside from the Ex Deus Machinas, and that awful scene in Off The Grid. Gate has not been that unpalitable.
Granted it could be a lot better as well, but, nothing is perfect after all.


Why do you even watch the show?
:indeed:

lacka1986
August 12th, 2008, 04:45 PM
Why do you even watch the show?

Amen Brotha....or Sista!

Is there anything other than "The Daedalus Variations" that you liked?

Kezia
August 12th, 2008, 04:45 PM
Outstanding episode of Atlantis. Best Stargate ep for years in my opinion. I can't quite believe it was written by the same <mod snip> that have been serving up so much crap for years.

Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending. Obviously with a few tweaks.

Now all they need to do is get rid of the terrible Keller character, get rid of Woolsey, start using the Stargate more and they'll at least be on the right track.

Oh and firing M&M would be good too.

Dude are you serious. That episode was BORING, I hated Unending too but that at least had some entertainment value. DV was one of the worst Atlantis eps EVER, even the lame VFX couldn't save it.

unluckynumber11
August 12th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Outstanding episode of Atlantis. Best Stargate ep for years in my opinion. I can't quite believe it was written by the same <mod snip> that have been serving up so much crap for years.

Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending. Obviously with a few tweaks.

Now all they need to do is get rid of the terrible Keller character, get rid of Woolsey, start using the Stargate more and they'll at least be on the right track.

Oh and firing M&M would be good too.

while were at it why not just cancel the whole show all together because those things have made the show great, i liked Unending, it had a lot of action a developed the story (and we got a whole lot of tech :D) Keller i think is also a good character, she a light hearted, funny, and kind replacment for Beckett, and as for woolsey, i like him also because we get to see a new side to him instead of that "grumpy old man beauracrat" person that we saw in past episodes and it definatly huminized him.

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 04:52 PM
while were at it why not just cancel the whole show all together because those things have made the show great, i liked Unending, it had a lot of action a developed the story (and we got a whole lot of tech :D) Keller i think is also a good character, she a light hearted, funny, and kind replacment for Beckett, and as for woolsey, i like him also because we get to see a new side to him instead of that "grumpy old man beauracrat" person that we saw in past episodes and it definatly huminized him.
Not only that..but with Woolsey we are getting to see a character who is growing. You can already see it happening. Woolsey is a character that they can change, and can really play with. And there is a lot of tension with the team still. he did not come on and immedietly things were great, sure go Sheppard, there is a lot les leeway.
And add to that is you have another chracter that is comic relief with out intentionally being that relief like O'Neill, Mitchell, Shep, Vala.

stevearm07
August 12th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Keeping Keller. Good. keeping Woolsey great. I am so enjoying his character and the reactions that he is having with the rest of the team, his character is exactly what I wanted from it, along with a lot more.
And for the most part, IMO, SG has not been crap for the last few years. Aside from the Ex Deus Machinas, and that awful scene in Off The Grid. Gate has not been that unpalitable.
Granted it could be a lot better as well, but, nothing is perfect after all.


:indeed:

You have a signature of that "actress" Emma Watson, so I'm finding it hard to take you seriously I'm afraid.

However, watch SG-1 seasons 3, 4, 5 and 6 and you'll see Stargate at it's outstanding prime. The vast majority of stuff since then has just been crap, hence SG-1's eventual cancellation.

I watch Atlantis because I usually quite enjoy it, and I hope that it will be as good as the good old days again...

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 04:58 PM
You have a signature of that "actress" Emma Watson, so I'm finding it hard to take you seriously I'm afraid.

However, watch SG-1 seasons 3, 4, 5 and 6 and you'll see Stargate at it's outstanding prime. The vast majority of stuff since then has just been crap, hence SG-1's eventual cancellation.

I watch Atlantis because I usually quite enjoy it, and I hope that it will be as good as the good old days again...
Ha ha.
I have. And I love Sesaons , four, five and six, more then nine and ten actually. Well perhaps for season 4. But the rest yeah. And I am not saying nine and ten were not as good as some of early SG-1. But I still liked it, and I am still puzzled that the cancellation could have been quality.
And Atlantis and SG-1 should be two different things, as they are trying to do. And last season Atlantis did an excellent job of standing on its own.

DigiFluid
August 12th, 2008, 04:58 PM
You have a signature of that "actress" Emma Watson, so I'm finding it hard to take you seriously I'm afraid.

You know, despite the sig (which DOES make me feel like a pedophile to even have on my screen), he's actually making valid points.

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 05:00 PM
You know, despite the sig (which DOES make me feel like a pedophile to even have on my screen), he's actually making valid points.*flexes muscles*
Thank you, thank you. It actually is a good ego stroking to hear that.

jefferyb
August 12th, 2008, 05:03 PM
See there is a reason why some people don't get to make decisions, I hated daedalus variations (I got so bored, because it was so predictable) and I loved absolutely loved unending. I usually end up enjoying what the writers create, it is just those random shows that I don't care for.

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 05:07 PM
See there is a reason why some people don't get to make decisions, I hated daedalus variations (I got so bored, because it was so predictable) and I loved absolutely loved unending. I usually end up enjoying what the writers create, it is just those random shows that I don't care for.
And Daedelus Variations was random?
Not really IMO, sure. It was a stand alone for most of the plot, but it should introduce some new plot elements for the rest of the show.
And actually when you get down to it this show was an improved version of "Ripple Effect" because we never did see that whole wire thing again, and we will see these aliens again more then likely.
Although I do like the two episodes about the same.

stevearm07
August 12th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I loved absolutely loved unending.

You loved Unending?? How could you enjoy watching the most boring and depressing episode of SG-1 stuck on a ship doing nothing but talking to and getting bored with each other's company, right after they scandalously killed all the Asgard in a pointless plot device?

Terrible episode. I'm not surprised most people hated it. At least Daedalus Variations was interesting with a nifty concept and a fair bit of action.

jesserella
August 12th, 2008, 05:23 PM
i liked DV but i don't think it matches some of the best SGA eps, right direction though :)

Col.Foley
August 12th, 2008, 05:26 PM
You loved Unending?? How could you enjoy watching the most boring and depressing episode of SG-1 stuck on a ship doing nothing but talking to and getting bored with each other's company, right after they scandalously killed all the Asgard in a pointless plot device?

Terrible episode. I'm not surprised most people hated it. At least Daedalus Variations was interesting with a nifty concept and a fair bit of action.
And I am sometimes baffled by why...or at least I was baffled at first...why people seemed to loathe seasons nine and ten so much. And 3 of Atlantis. To me I liked all three. But then I realized that we all have our opinions and the different things that we expect from each episode.

Ooookkkkk..... chill out mate, jesus. It really isn't that big a deal.

<mod snip>
Good point.
:lol:

cynatnite
August 12th, 2008, 06:18 PM
I loved Unending. Lot's of character stuff, good action and we get a look at some of that great tech they got.

Wonderful episode, IMO.

Spidey3121
August 12th, 2008, 06:26 PM
I don't find either episode great but i would have to say i prob liked "Unending More". "The Daedalus Variations" was alright + entertaining but in no way was it great.

cynatnite
August 12th, 2008, 06:57 PM
I don't find either episode great but i would have to say i prob liked "Unending More". "The Daedalus Variations" was alright + entertaining but in no way was it great.

The bad guys looked cool. The rest of the episode was average, IMO.

Ramses818
August 12th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I have to say that unending wasn't the best ending for a series but that is why they made Ark of the Truth. Which would have been a good series finale.

Also, somebody liked Keller, I don't. She is a poor character, I don't want to see in an action show someone who is worried about breaking a nail every time something happens. Bring back Becket as the full time doctor.

cynatnite
August 12th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I have to say that unending wasn't the best ending for a series but that is why they made Ark of the Truth. Which would have been a good series finale.

Also, somebody liked Keller, I don't. She is a poor character, I don't want to see in an action show someone who is worried about breaking a nail every time something happens. Bring back Becket as the full time doctor.

First off, what does Keller have to do with this discussion and secondly...where on the show was she ever worried about breaking a nail?

stevearm07
August 12th, 2008, 07:31 PM
First off, what does Keller have to do with this discussion and secondly...where on the show was she ever worried about breaking a nail?

Keller's an awful <mod snip> Terrible character with ZERO depth whatsoever, and her constant whining and acting like a little girl is getting seriously annoying.


I don't find either episode great but i would have to say i prob liked "Unending More". "The Daedalus Variations" was alright + entertaining but in no way was it great.

What exactly was 'great' about Unending? The boring story? Watching our characters get bored with each other? Stuck on a ship with NOTHING happening? A technobabble half reset button at the end? Unending was garbage and summed up just how far the series had fallen post season 6.


I loved Unending. Lot's of character stuff, good action and we get a look at some of that great tech they got.

Wonderful episode, IMO.

Unending, a 'wonderful' episode?? Hahahaha. Character stuff? Like Daniel acting like a complete moron when lots of people through him a surprise 'birthday' party? Seeing them kiss? Seeing all the characters get depressed? Good action? Like what, a few CGI shots of Daedalus and an Ori ship firing? Great tech? More convenient deus ex machinas thrown in by those clueless writers when they can't think of anything better.

Nemesis, Exodus, Revelations, Full Circle, Lost City... THOSE are wonderful season finales. Unending was a pathetic waste of space, it would be a crap season finale, it was an unforgivable SERIES finale.

Daedalus Variations at least had action and was interesting.

cynatnite
August 12th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Keller's an awful <mod snip>. Terrible character with ZERO depth whatsoever, and her constant whining and acting like a little girl is getting seriously annoying.

<mod snip> You've offered no evidence except your obvious dislike. She's proven more than once she's got the tough stuff to take whatever is dished out to her. She's pointed a gun at a man and shot him. She's proven her mettle and done a better job than McKay did when he first started out. If you remember, McKay couldn't even shoot a gun with his eyes open in the beginning...and this was a guy who was ASSIGNED to go out in the FIELD facing danger every day. And whining...McKay couldn't stop whining. Still can't sometimes. No one can even come close to McKay's whining and complaining.




What exactly was 'great' about Unending? The boring story? Watching our characters get bored with each other? Stuck on a ship with NOTHING happening? A technobabble half reset button at the end? Unending was garbage and summed up just how far the series had fallen post season 6.

There were great character moments with the team after time slowed down. Cameron hating where he was at, Daniel trying to deal with it as best he could, Vala connecting with Daniel, Sam playing the cello and more. We learn a lot about them in those private moments that wouldn't have otherwise known in regular episodes between the shoot'emups and explosions. Seasons seven, eight, nine and ten are my favorite ones. I thought the team was at their best.


Nemesis, Exodus, Revelations, Full Circle, Lost City... THOSE are wonderful season finales. Unending was a pathetic waste of space, it would be a crap season finale, it was an unforgivable SERIES finale.

Daedalus Variations at least had action and was interesting.

My only regret about Unending is no one except Teal'c having memories of that time. I really wish they all had kept them and bonded the team even more together.

DV was so-so. Midway had lots of action and was ten times better than DV. It had character development which is always high on my list of things to like about Stargate. Anybody can write a script to blow crap up...developing characters in interesting stories....nope, only a few have that talent. Fortunately, Stargate's got a load of talent for that.

wise one
August 13th, 2008, 07:29 AM
you either love it or hate it

GhostPoet
August 13th, 2008, 12:14 PM
I feel both episodes are great....and I can't understand person who thinks otherwise :P

Ugly Pig
August 13th, 2008, 01:00 PM
Given the producers limited time/budget for the SG-1 finale... "the Daedalus Variations" could have EASILY been made instead of that awful episode Unending.

What a bizarre and random thing to say.

Kezia
August 13th, 2008, 04:02 PM
However, watch SG-1 seasons 3, 4, 5 and 6 and you'll see Stargate at it's outstanding prime. The vast majority of stuff since then has just been crap, hence SG-1's eventual cancellation.
I'm frankly shocked that you feel that way and yet liked DV. That episode was the very antithesis of SG-1 in its heyday. Early SG-1 was thought-provoking and brilliantly written; DV had a mindnumbingly boring and predictable plot masked by random aliens and the so-called "effects fest" (which it wasn't really imo).

jonos101
August 14th, 2008, 07:44 AM
IMO People really need to stop comparing SG1 to Atlantis. Although they're both Stargate, they really are two totally different type of shows, with two totally different concepts.