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FallenAngelII
August 4th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Do you think there are Wraith out there who feed off each other and then give the stolen life force back for pleasure. After all, what with doing it with Wraith Worshippers, they know that it's an euphoric experience.

Vampires sometimes feed off each other for some kind of perverse pleasure. Why shouldn't the Wraith? It could be like some kind of Wraith sex thing.

Laura Dove
August 4th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Do you think there are Wraith out there who feed off each other and then give the stolen life force back for pleasure. After all, what with doing it with Wraith Worshippers, they know that it's an euphoric experience.
Vampires sometimes feed off each other for some kind of perverse pleasure. Why shouldn't the Wraith? It could be like some kind of Wraith sex thing.

It's an interesting idea. We already know from Todd in "Common Ground" that they give life to those they consider brothers. It might be what you describe, or just reciprocal Gift of Live. After all, Todd does not know how much it hurts to be fed on, so I guess they skip the feeding part to keep just the reverse feeding. :)

BriGuy
August 4th, 2008, 07:49 PM
No. Except for Queens, Wraith can't feed off each other.

jelgate
August 4th, 2008, 07:59 PM
No.?* Except for Queens, Wraith can't feed off each other.I suggest you rewatch The Defiant One. Wraith can feed on each other.

FallenAngelII
August 4th, 2008, 08:56 PM
No. Except for Queens, Wraith can't feed off each other.
Funny, the Defiant One disagrees.

Ripple in Space
August 4th, 2008, 08:58 PM
If they go by the laws of thermodynamics, energy/life force will be lost in the process of doing that.

FallenAngelII
August 4th, 2008, 09:15 PM
If they go by the laws of thermodynamics, energy/life force will be lost in the process of doing that.
Easy solution: Feed off of a human before/after the perverse Wraith feeding sex.

ASAKATA
August 4th, 2008, 09:18 PM
LMAO, Perverse, if the Wraith knew what we did, they might think twice about feeding on us.

The wraith can feed on each other, but its probably like drinking salt water for us, not good.

Laura Dove
August 5th, 2008, 12:39 AM
The wraith can feed on each other, but its probably like drinking salt water for us, not good.

I disagree: I even had the impression (from "The Defiant One" and "Submersion") that a wraith who feeds only on his kind during a long period of time if much harder to kill than a "regular" wraith. And from "Spoils of War", we know that wraith feed on each other even when they are not forced to.

ASAKATA
August 5th, 2008, 03:46 PM
:confused:
I disagree: I even had the impression (from "The Defiant One" and "Submersion") that a wraith who feeds only on his kind during a long period of time if much harder to kill than a "regular" wraith. And from "Spoils of War", we know that wraith feed on each other even when they are not forced to.

Come to think of it, Human cultures thought the same thing, eat your enemy's heart and gain strength, bla bla bla, my culture used to eat people as a delicacy, (only royal people were allowed to do this)

Wraith cannibalism is probably like Human cannibalism, unacceptable in a civilized society. With wraith, that enzyme is probably the cause of all that strength.

Not sure where I was going with all that, but there it is.:confused:

Infinatus
August 5th, 2008, 08:26 PM
No. Except for Queens, Wraith can't feed off each other.

Try watching The Defiant One and Spoils of War.

Ouroboros
August 5th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I think most of the "pleasurable" side effects that can be seen to result from the giving of life to humans are a result of the chemicals the Wraith inject into their victims.

Since they have different biochemistry it's uncertain as to whether these chemicals would have the same effect on a Wraith body as they do on a human one.

Even if they did though then why not cut out the middle man and just inject yourself with your own suckers for a free high. Then you don't have to deal with all the relationship "oh I'm always giving him endorphins but he never reciprocates" issues.

Lythisrose
August 5th, 2008, 09:44 PM
I think most of the "pleasurable" side effects that can be seen to result from the giving of life to humans are a result of the chemicals the Wraith inject into their victims.

Since they have different biochemistry it's uncertain as to whether these chemicals would have the same effect on a Wraith body as they do on a human one.

Even if they did though then why not cut out the middle man and just inject yourself with your own suckers for a free high. Then you don't have to deal with all the relationship "oh I'm always giving him endorphins but he never reciprocates" issues.

Because their mother's tell them it's not nice.

Laura Dove
August 6th, 2008, 07:05 AM
I think most of the "pleasurable" side effects that can be seen to result from the giving of life to humans are a result of the chemicals the Wraith inject into their victims.

Wraith seem to feel pleasure when they feed, so why not when another wraith give them energy through the Gift of Life? It doesn't need to be the enzyme, it can be something else. After all, wraith inject the enzyme both when they feed and when they reverse-feed, yet the feeding is awfully painful for the victim while the reverse-feeding is not, at least not at the end. (I'm still not sure why Sheppard screamed when Todd began to restore his life in "Common Ground". Maybe because the beginning of the process is painful, or maybe it was painful only because he was so very close to death.)


Even if they did though then why not cut out the middle man and just inject yourself with your own suckers for a free high. Then you don't have to deal with all the relationship "oh I'm always giving him endorphins but he never reciprocates" issues.

Heh, why do human form couples rather than not? (Although wraith really don't seem into relationships. But it's probably a social trait rather than a natural trait, judging how Ellia's feeling were similar to those of a human.)

Ouroboros
August 6th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Wraith seem to feel pleasure when they feed, so why not when another wraith give them energy through the Gift of Life? It doesn't need to be the enzyme, it can be something else. After all, wraith inject the enzyme both when they feed and when they reverse-feed, yet the feeding is awfully painful for the victim while the reverse-feeding is not, at least not at the end. (I'm still not sure why Sheppard screamed when Todd began to restore his life in "Common Ground". Maybe because the beginning of the process is painful, or maybe it was painful only because he was so very close to death.)

Well I feel pleasure after I eat a nice big meal to. Not so sure if that would remain the case if someone else were to "give" me their's after they'd already eaten it.:D

They said in this ep that Dex's brain was loaded up with some sort of chemicals that were affecting the reward or pleasure centers of his brain whatever that's supposed to mean. Ford's case of addiction was likewise chemically related.

It just seems to me that the pleasure component is primarily chemical for the individual being fed on/given life.


Heh, why do human form couples rather than not? (Although wraith really don't seem into relationships. But it's probably a social trait rather than a natural trait, judging how Ellia's feeling were similar to those of a human.)

Humans naturally form couples because we reproduce that way. Wraith don't seem to. They don't seem to form emotional attachments as much in general. I don't think we've even seen a case of two Wraith being "friends" before. Their attachments seem more all encompassing for their "hive" or their faction or possibly their queen. You're right that this again is likely at least in part societal though as again Ellia seemed to form a very deep emotional attachment to her "father" but you could also say that this might be the result of her imprinting on him as some sort of queen like superior figure, and had their been more than just him taking care of her she would have imprinted on all of them equally as a young Wraith would on those of his hive.

Laura Dove
August 6th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Well I feel pleasure after I eat a nice big meal to. Not so sure if that would remain the case if someone else were to "give" me their's after they'd already eaten it.:D

Ewww, OK, you have a point. :D


They said in this ep that Dex's brain was loaded up with some sort of chemicals that were affecting the reward or pleasure centers of his brain whatever that's supposed to mean. Ford's case of addiction was likewise chemically related.
It just seems to me that the pleasure component is primarily chemical for the individual being fed on/given life.


They talked about an abnormal activity in the brain reward circuits or something like that. It's what happens to drug-addicts who go through withdrawal: The addiction is caused by an imbalance in the part of the brain that handles desire/pleasure. I read a few articles about it but it's rather complicated for a non-specialist and I don't remember all details. Anyway, it sounded like a standard drug-addiction withdrawal symptom in the episode.


Humans naturally form couples because we reproduce that way.

Well, not only, or there wouldn't be homosexuals.


Wraith don't seem to. They don't seem to form emotional attachments as much in general. I don't think we've even seen a case of two Wraith being "friends" before. Their attachments seem more all encompassing for their "hive" or their faction or possibly their queen. You're right that this again is likely at least in part societal though as again Ellia seemed to form a very deep emotional attachment to her "father" but you could also say that this might be the result of her imprinting on him as some sort of queen like superior figure, and had their been more than just him taking care of her she would have imprinted on all of them equally as a young Wraith would on those of his hive.

The same could be said about human relationships. :D I think that Ellia was already too old to be imprinted that way: It usually happens very early in life.

Anyway, we know from Todd in "Common Ground" that wraith consider other "brothers", which seems to mean that they CAN form deep attachments. I agree we still have to see what it exactly means, however.

GoSpikey
August 7th, 2008, 09:03 AM
It'll be nice to see Todd interact with Kenny.

perkin127
August 8th, 2008, 02:06 PM
i like the idea that a wraith feeding on a wraith would make him stronger, becasue the 'food' is more powerful the life force taken from it would be more powerful. on the idea of it being pleasurable do u think some wraith are drug addicts like ford and humans in our own reality, doing anything for a fix. oooo another thought what if the queen needs to feed off the male as part of the reproduction, taking some of the males strength to create a new life, ok no more thinking about wraith sex for me!

Laura Dove
August 8th, 2008, 02:22 PM
another thought what if the queen needs to feed off the male as part of the reproduction, taking some of the males strength to create a new life

Praying mantis-style? Yep, I thought about it too.

perkin127
August 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM
thank god im not the only one i thought i was going a little crazy!

Laura Dove
August 11th, 2008, 11:47 AM
thank god im not the only one i thought i was going a little crazy!

Heh, not sure if I'm a good reference, as I AM crazy. ;)

Kris_x-303
August 14th, 2008, 02:31 AM
It could be like some kind of Wraith sex thing.

Eww..

Just eww..

People.. Please.. Get out the house more :P hehe

Actionhank
August 16th, 2008, 02:01 PM
There can be only one... Wraith in the end who has all the power. ^^