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Jack_Bauer
August 4th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Sorry if this has been done.

Just wondering where the alternate Sheppard and his 302 contingent launched from?

They didn't have any 304's around the planet because they would have been fighting the flagship and as far as I know there are no 302's housed on Atlantis, so where did they come from?

Is this another example of TPTB expecting us to overlook and just accept things that have no explanation?

PG15
August 4th, 2008, 12:54 AM
Who says that, in this reality, Atlantis doesn't house 302s?

Jack_Bauer
August 4th, 2008, 01:00 AM
Who says that, in this reality, Atlantis doesn't house 302s?

How very convenient...

Xaeden
August 4th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Here's the thread that deals with it... http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=57202 It discusses a wide range of things including various possible reasons why that Atlantis might be equipped with 302s even if this one wasn't. It also points to a reference in the show where 302s were said to be in Atlantis - They have an unknown amount in the jumper bay which can't easily be launched for defense of the city, but if they were expecting an attack they could be lifted out or they could have more elsewhere in the city and it just hasn't been mentioned.

sweetsamurai
August 4th, 2008, 04:23 AM
Alternate Sheppard is hot!

A Wraith Named Bob
August 4th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Alternate Sheppard is hot!

Which one? The dead one or the one that you never see? :)

PG15
August 4th, 2008, 12:05 PM
How very convenient...

Yes, unfortunately we can't stop alternate realities from being different from this one.

But gosh darn it, don't you want to? ;)

FallenAngelII
August 4th, 2008, 05:13 PM
A better question was what the heck those F-302s were doing 'til the very end. I mean, what were they when the alien ship attacked Atlantis? Where were they when alt!Daedalus battled the aliens? Why didn't Atlantis respond when John hailed them the first time?

And what the hell did they do once alt!Daedalus left their reality the first time? I mean, when alt!Daedalus returned, the alien ship was "right behind it" and immediately attacked... yet the F-302s took quite some time to reach them.

For one thing, they were still pretty close to their original starting position. And the alien ship was immediately on their tail. Why wasn't it busy, you know, engaging the F-302s in battle?

BubblingOverWithIdeas
August 4th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Which one? The dead one or the one that you never see? :)

We did see the one in the F-302.

PG15
August 4th, 2008, 06:46 PM
A better question was what the heck those F-302s were doing 'til the very end. I mean, what were they when the alien ship attacked Atlantis? Where were they when alt!Daedalus battled the aliens? Why didn't Atlantis respond when John hailed them the first time?

And what the hell did they do once alt!Daedalus left their reality the first time? I mean, when alt!Daedalus returned, the alien ship was "right behind it" and immediately attacked... yet the F-302s took quite some time to reach them.

For one thing, they were still pretty close to their original starting position. And the alien ship was immediately on their tail. Why wasn't it busy, you know, engaging the F-302s in battle?

Perhaps Alt!Atlantis didn't think the 302s could've done anything to the main ship?

FallenAngelII
August 4th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Perhaps Alt!Atlantis didn't think the 302s could've done anything to the main ship?
"Our F-302s can't do anything to do the main ship... so let's not use them at all and just sit here waiting for them to blast us". Smart plan.

alt!Daedalus had already taken out the main ship's weapons. All it had left were the fighters. What the heck were alt!Atlantis and main!Ship doing while our!SGA-1 were dimension hopping? Having a stare down?

With its weapons down, the Main Ship should've deployed its fighters to destroy Atlantis (which is obviously lacking in power and/or drones so the drone chair can't be used, as evidenced by the fact that no drones were ever fired from the city, even when the ship was within range). And Atlantis should've deployed its F-302s and jumpers (why were there no jumpers?!) to intercept the fighters and try to destroy the Main Ship itself.

PG15
August 4th, 2008, 09:21 PM
"Our F-302s can't do anything to do the main ship... so let's not use them at all and just sit here waiting for them to blast us". Smart plan.

Same plan they used in The Siege 3. The 302s were no match for the alien ship so why even bother? Of course, that's before the alien ship was disabled and launched the much-more-easy-to-destroy fighters, at which point I can see your scenerio playing out perfectly.

After the Alt!Daedalus jumped, the fighters would've been sent down to Atlantis; their shields were still up I believe, so they can stand a little weapons fire and take the time to launch the 302s. There's a battle, and something happens to extend it to 2 hours long. It could've been anything. Then, when Alt!Daedalus came back, the 302s came along and helped, the end.

Problem solved?

Xaeden
August 4th, 2008, 09:28 PM
"Our F-302s can't do anything to do the main ship... so let's not use them at all and just sit here waiting for them to blast us". Smart plan.

alt!Daedalus had already taken out the main ship's weapons. All it had left were the fighters. What the heck were alt!Atlantis and main!Ship doing while our!SGA-1 were dimension hopping? Having a stare down?

Or, "Our F-302s can't do anything to the main ship...so let's focus on evacuating the city." In such a case maybe all they did was save them by giving them enough time to finish their evacuation and despite the fact that they still should've been focusing on it, AU Sheppard decided that they needed to do the honorable thing and help the Daedalus.

I don't really buy that though. Personally, I'd be more inclined to think they were dealing with alien fighters that were launched at the planet off-screen and either happened to finish them off at the time the Daedalus arrived or a few of them branched off to help the Daedalus because AU Sheppard felt he owed them (where as instead he could've used that opportunity to make a direct attack at the under-protected alien ship). To me this makes the most sense as if Atlantis sent 302s out to attack the ship you'd expect the alien craft to react in kind and not wait until the 302s were in weapons range to counterattack. Or maybe they felt their fighters could finish of Atlantis' shields so they launched first and the 302s were busy fighting them over Atlantis until the Daedalus reappeared. Which would explain why some didn't try to break through to the ship earlier (their priority was keeping the fighters from doing max damage to Atlantis' shields). In either scenario the reason the alien ship didn't launch all fighters could've been because it was worried that some 302s would break through and come directy at them. So they kept some behind just incase, but ended up using them on the Daedalus.


With its weapons down, the Main Ship should've deployed its fighters to destroy Atlantis (which is obviously lacking in power and/or drones so the drone chair can't be used, as evidenced by the fact that no drones were ever fired from the city, even when the ship was within range). And Atlantis should've deployed its F-302s and jumpers (why were there no jumpers?!) to intercept the fighters and try to destroy the Main Ship itself.

About the lack of jumpers - Assuming they still had some, if the city was indeed lacking drones as you suggested then jumpers would've been mostly useless as they don't have secondary weapons and they either would've been out of drones themselves or had very little left.

Ace
August 4th, 2008, 10:56 PM
Who says that, in this reality, Atlantis doesn't house 302s?

Our Atlantis does house 302s... it was mentioned in "Grace Under Pressure" when Wier and Sheppard where talking about the wench that was originally going to be used to lower 302's into the puddle jumper bay but instead was being attached to the PJ to rescue McKay. If memory serves...

Ace

grime
August 5th, 2008, 06:42 AM
it does seem like realistic space tactics took a backseat to drama here.

maybe they scrambled the 302s after the dead returned and it just took that long to catch up?

it was ana mazing dogfight sequence, but i would have slightly preffered jumpers to 302s. mass jumper dogfight? YES!

ricc
August 5th, 2008, 10:28 AM
I'm pretty sure Mckay shouted "It's Atlantis" or something similar just after the 302's join the fight

Mitchell82
August 5th, 2008, 10:49 AM
it does seem like realistic space tactics took a backseat to drama here.

maybe they scrambled the 302s after the dead returned and it just took that long to catch up?

it was ana mazing dogfight sequence, but i would have slightly preffered jumpers to 302s. mass jumper dogfight? YES!

That would have been cool but not every pilot could use a jumper.

wise one
August 7th, 2008, 04:59 AM
the way i see it the alt dead shot the alien ship and only took out its main weapons whereas 3 shots would of taken out a hive or a aroura so i dont think 302's or jumpers would have anything against that