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mago1978
August 3rd, 2008, 07:57 AM
Teyla said she took a few lessons in ships operations, however, she was in fact kicking ass.

That would've been somewhat understandable since she did have some free time do to th baby, but Ronan???

Not only he paid attention to one of Rodney's explanations, he also understood it and retained the info for later use.

What is going on in Atlantis?

Cory Holmes
August 3rd, 2008, 08:31 AM
What is going on in Atlantis?

Characters are growing, being affected by their surroundings and learning from their friends. You're right, Ronon and Teyla are changing, which is proof to me that Atlantis isn't nearly as static and reset-able as some people claim.

hipporyoko
August 3rd, 2008, 08:36 AM
Just because they can remember things doesn't make them smarter, but helps.
3 weeks on the trip back and forth to earth would help to learn basic ship operations. The fact is Teyla and Ronan are smart. Having Rodney talk about science one would pick up one or two timbits. Teyla kicking ass in the episode I don't think so, Rodney was guiding her. Plus it helps that all she could do on the system she was at was reroute powe,etc, basicaly read the screen and follow the directions. Ronan was alone for 7 years as a runner, being back with people and tech, (his world was somewhat tech advanced, possible may had some hyper drive tech, until the wraith killed it all).

A Wraith Named Bob
August 3rd, 2008, 09:26 AM
Its been nearly 5 years since Teyla came on to the Atlantis team and nearly 4 for Ronon. They are growing into members of the expedition and are developing skills beyond those that they initially started out with. Look at Ronon, he has become much less "barbaric" than what he started out as.

Dr Quinn
August 3rd, 2008, 09:35 AM
What made Teyla and Ronan smarter?

I believe they probably ate a good breakfast.;)

Briangate78
August 3rd, 2008, 10:00 AM
Teyla said she took a few lessons in ships operations, however, she was in fact kicking ass.

That would've been somewhat understandable since she did have some free time do to th baby, but Ronan???

Not only he paid attention to one of Rodney's explanations, he also understood it and retained the info for later use.

What is going on in Atlantis?

It's called character development.

amconway
August 3rd, 2008, 10:11 AM
Teyla said she took a few lessons in ships operations, however, she was in fact kicking ass.

That would've been somewhat understandable since she did have some free time do to th baby, but Ronan???

Not only he paid attention to one of Rodney's explanations, he also understood it and retained the info for later use.

What is going on in Atlantis?


It's called character development.
It is called character development, and it is a good thing, as Ronan and Teyla had so little function before. One can't be too surprised when folks, such as yourself, find it a tad jarring, however. It was very sudden.
They promised us some problem fixing this year and they are living up to that promise. Teyla and Ronan had big problems as characters. The episodes this season have been a major improvement, but since there has been virtually no character or team development since season two (except Rodney), thay had to work faster than normal. That makes it less than subtle. On the other hand, I'm glad they are working fast. It was necessary. Very necessary...

Heaven
August 3rd, 2008, 10:14 AM
It's called character development.

I call it bad writing

Stormtrooper
August 3rd, 2008, 10:14 AM
It's called character development.

Too bad it always happens off-screen. Then again, pushing buttons is not proof of intelligence. Even chimps can do that if properly trained.

Earthgate Ricky
August 3rd, 2008, 10:48 AM
Too bad it always happens off-screen. Then again, pushing buttons is not proof of intelligence. Even chimps can do that if properly trained.

LOL McKay is one and only genius in SA team.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh88/QuiltRicky18/GWGenius.jpg

MIZA
August 3rd, 2008, 12:01 PM
you do have a point, but after all these years they have to have picked up something instead of just standing there.


i believe they are all very smart people , it is just that Rodney talks more

wise one
August 3rd, 2008, 12:16 PM
each race is slightly different nonetheless human, teyla and the athosians were advanced enough to biuld small biuldings back in the rising til the wraith culled so they had to keep moving and let survival take-over science

ronan was a soldier

i think being with the team alot, they picked up a few things, just the basics

PG15
August 3rd, 2008, 01:16 PM
Too bad it always happens off-screen. Then again, pushing buttons is not proof of intelligence. Even chimps can do that if properly trained.

How can it be offscreen when we saw them do these things in this episode?

But no, it's not character development. The much more simpler explanation is that they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Jackie
August 3rd, 2008, 03:46 PM
What made Teyla and Ronan smarter?

I believe they probably ate a good breakfast.;)

They ate thier wheaties...lol


LOL McKay is one and only genius in SA team.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh88/QuiltRicky18/GWGenius.jpg

Scary thought *shivers*

perkin127
August 3rd, 2008, 03:58 PM
Well Teyla should have been shown to be more intelligent earlier on i mean she was the leader of her people, she couldnt have just been a kick ass fighter, but i agree that as there hadnt been much character development it all seemed pretty quick. the same with ronon, he must have learnt a lot to stay alive he didnt do it by simply running faster, and now were 5 years on so it males sense that at last their more than just the muscle!

BubblingOverWithIdeas
August 3rd, 2008, 04:05 PM
How can it be offscreen when we saw them do these things in this episode?



The lessons from Major Marks were offscreen.

MarshAngel
August 3rd, 2008, 04:27 PM
I'm a little disturbed that being able to use a computer seems to be the defining factor of intelligence (according to thread title). Teyla and Ronon aren't monkeys or neanderthals. They already had the technological concepts due to the Ancients and the Wraith. They've had more than enough time to learn how to operate the basic functions of computers...the fact that this wasn't shown all this time was just bad writing. The fact they're suddenly showing it, is awkward.

What I find odd is that they have no problems reading and writing English and haven't since day one...but then that's a franchise flaw.

Heaven
August 3rd, 2008, 05:16 PM
I'm a little disturbed that being able to use a computer seems to be the defining factor of intelligence (according to thread title). Teyla and Ronon aren't monkeys or neanderthals.
if it's so simple then why can't sheppard/Woolsey/Lorne do it?
the fact that we only ever see scientists play with this stuff
while oftentimes other people from Earth who most likely already have a background in computers are stumped gives the impression it's pretty complex stuff

Mitchell82
August 3rd, 2008, 06:07 PM
Teyla said she took a few lessons in ships operations, however, she was in fact kicking ass.

That would've been somewhat understandable since she did have some free time do to th baby, but Ronan???

Not only he paid attention to one of Rodney's explanations, he also understood it and retained the info for later use.

What is going on in Atlantis?

Wait you have a problem with the characters evolving? Um you have heard of character development right?

Shan Bruce Lee
August 3rd, 2008, 06:14 PM
Teyla said she took a few lessons in ships operations, however, she was in fact kicking ass.

That would've been somewhat understandable since she did have some free time do to th baby, but Ronan???

Not only he paid attention to one of Rodney's explanations, he also understood it and retained the info for later use.

What is going on in Atlantis?

They're not complete idiots. Teyla's familiar with the systems in Atlantis so the Deadalus isn't really a stretch.

And just because Ronon looks like a caveman doesn't mean he is one.He's been living in Atlantis and working side by side with Rodney for over 3 years now.

gateprof
August 3rd, 2008, 06:30 PM
This is not the first time that Teyla has "taken the lead". If I remember correctly, she was left in charge of Atlantis during the first episode of Season 3 when Weir was forced to return to earth. I'm sure she's a pretty quick learner..it has been what 4 or 5 years..

mago1978
August 3rd, 2008, 06:45 PM
They're not complete idiots. Teyla's familiar with the systems in Atlantis so the Deadalus isn't really a stretch.

And just because Ronon looks like a caveman doesn't mean he is one.He's been living in Atlantis and working side by side with Rodney for over 3 years now.

Teyla wasn't just following Rodney's instructions, at some point she was ahead of him. Rod would tell her: Now we'll do this and here is how...
And before he told her what to do she said she was done.
The problem is that she said Major Marks showed her the basics but what she was doing in engineering was far from being basic.
She wasn't checking on shield status alone, she was diverting power, among other things. The 304's have scientists doing that kind of work!!!

As far as Ronon goes...
He is the character that every time that there is a scientific explanation he goes:...
"I don't know what you just said, but I'm happy you're OK buddy...";
Or he looses his patience with Rodney and yells at him;
Or he makes that "who farted?" face expression and than looks at Sheppard and asks for the translation.

You're correct, they are not stupid, but character development happens slowly, not over just a few episodes

PG15
August 3rd, 2008, 07:07 PM
Teyla wasn't just following Rodney's instructions, at some point she was ahead of him. Rod would tell her: Now we'll do this and here is how...
And before he told her what to do she said she was done.

When did this happen?


The problem is that she said Major Marks showed her the basics but what she was doing in engineering was far from being basic.
She wasn't checking on shield status alone, she was diverting power, among other things. The 304's have scientists doing that kind of work!!!

Rodney was talking her through it.



You're correct, they are not stupid, but character development happens slowly, not over just a few episodes

Not always.

kymeric
August 3rd, 2008, 07:40 PM
Remember that scene in frist strike where ronin says he needs to learn some tech stuff, hes not all the useful in situations like this? Now he and teyla are.

Mitchell82
August 3rd, 2008, 09:39 PM
Teyla wasn't just following Rodney's instructions, at some point she was ahead of him. Rod would tell her: Now we'll do this and here is how...
And before he told her what to do she said she was done.
The problem is that she said Major Marks showed her the basics but what she was doing in engineering was far from being basic.
She wasn't checking on shield status alone, she was diverting power, among other things. The 304's have scientists doing that kind of work!!!
When exactly did this happen? Because Rodney was walking her through that.


As far as Ronon goes...
He is the character that every time that there is a scientific explanation he goes:...
"I don't know what you just said, but I'm happy you're OK buddy...";
Or he looses his patience with Rodney and yells at him;
Or he makes that "who farted?" face expression and than looks at Sheppard and asks for the translation.
But that's whats good about Ronon!


You're correct, they are not stupid, but character development happens slowly, not over just a few episodes
Um not always. Sateda, developed Ronon in one ep.

maxbo
August 4th, 2008, 08:53 AM
I'm a little disturbed that being able to use a computer seems to be the defining factor of intelligence (according to thread title). Teyla and Ronon aren't monkeys or neanderthals. They already had the technological concepts due to the Ancients and the Wraith. They've had more than enough time to learn how to operate the basic functions of computers...the fact that this wasn't shown all this time was just bad writing. The fact they're suddenly showing it, is awkward.

What I find odd is that they have no problems reading and writing English and haven't since day one...but then that's a franchise flaw.

I'm also kind of disturbed that the ability to use tech is the determining factor of intelligence for some posters. And, I'm puzzled that so many seem to have a hard time believing that Teyla is intelligent enough to understand the basic workings of the Daedalus, especially when we've seen her with computers since Season 1.

Sometimes I wonder what program I'm watching versus what others are watching.


They're not complete idiots. Teyla's familiar with the systems in Atlantis so the Deadalus isn't really a stretch.

And just because Ronon looks like a caveman doesn't mean he is one.He's been living in Atlantis and working side by side with Rodney for over 3 years now.

Good point. Teyla has been left either in charge or in a position of authority since Season 1 and it's hard to believe that she would be given that level of responsibility if she couldn't understand the basics of how Altantis is run. And, although Ronon doesn't have Teyla's patience in learning new tech just for the sake of learning it, he couldn't have survived being a Runner for 7 years if he were not intelligent enough to evade capture. I believe that if he can see the direct benefit of learning new tech, then he would take the time to learn it - otherwise he'll be too "busy". :lol:


This is not the first time that Teyla has "taken the lead". If I remember correctly, she was left in charge of Atlantis during the first episode of Season 3 when Weir was forced to return to earth. I'm sure she's a pretty quick learner..it has been what 4 or 5 years..

I'm sure she's a quick learner too, which is one reason why I believe Elizabeth left her in charge of Atlantis in the earlier seasons.


Teyla wasn't just following Rodney's instructions, at some point she was ahead of him. Rod would tell her: Now we'll do this and here is how...
And before he told her what to do she said she was done.
The problem is that she said Major Marks showed her the basics but what she was doing in engineering was far from being basic.
She wasn't checking on shield status alone, she was diverting power, among other things. The 304's have scientists doing that kind of work!!!

As far as Ronon goes...
He is the character that every time that there is a scientific explanation he goes:...
"I don't know what you just said, but I'm happy you're OK buddy...";
Or he looses his patience with Rodney and yells at him;
Or he makes that "who farted?" face expression and than looks at Sheppard and asks for the translation.

You're correct, they are not stupid, but character development happens slowly, not over just a few episodes

Aaahh, now, I'm beginning to understand where you're coming from and if you can find the time, I think you should watch this episode again - or, read the transcript. Yes, Teyla took the initiative in the beginning and operated the Daedalus’ basic systems, but when things required more than her basic knowledge, she quickly admitted it and Sheppard helped her out and Rodney talked her through the repairs. She didn't suddenly become the Daedalus expert. :)