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purple_drake
June 1st, 2006, 06:20 PM
Thanks for that, you're absolutely right. I wonder if that is why he never wore his jacket again?

I dunno, a lot of the characters stop wearing their jackets unless they go offworld; I've always thought of it as a matter of being comfortable - yanno, like how you wouldn't normally wear jackets or formal stuff around home, 'cause it's a place where you can be casual?

captain jake
June 1st, 2006, 10:17 PM
But atlantis is a city it's not a house, you can take of your casual clothes in your quarters but I wouid suspect you would stay dressed up in the city.

woody
June 2nd, 2006, 12:24 PM
I'd have to agree with you Jake. Atlantis round the city you'd wear your uniform unless your on of Tylers people.
Since you its a miltary operation, in your quarters you could wear what you want but when on duty and going round the city you would need the uniform.

Maybe as something as simple as identifying someone, eg a medic or scientist or if a certain person or group has access to a part and others not.

purple_drake
June 2nd, 2006, 05:27 PM
But atlantis is a city it's not a house, you can take of your casual clothes in your quarters but I wouid suspect you would stay dressed up in the city.

Well, not necessarily. It's like a well-known neighbourhood; sure, it's outside, but you know the people so you're not afraid to walk around in casuals. Although yeah, when the military are on duty they'd wear the full uniform, but the scientists I can understand would prefer to be comfortable. Besides, it's not just a city, it's like a gigantic lab, and that's someplace they would be most comfortable.

As for identifying peoples' specialisation, that's what the different coloured shirts are for, aren't they?

Meh, maybe I've got the whole 'laidback Aussie' thing going, but it makes sense to me.

captain jake
June 2nd, 2006, 05:33 PM
No it is a city it's not a huge lab it's the lost city of atlantis. Complete with jumper bay, gate room and a whole lot of other things that don't qualify as labs.

purple_drake
June 3rd, 2006, 01:23 AM
No it is a city it's not a huge lab it's the lost city of atlantis. Complete with jumper bay, gate room and a whole lot of other things that don't qualify as labs.

I don't mean literally a lab. But it is a place where they're studying pretty much everything about it. Like in a lab.

Nyah, makes sense to me. Anyone else getting this?

captain jake
June 4th, 2006, 07:57 PM
I guess not.

woody
June 5th, 2006, 04:56 AM
IT's easy really Atlantis is a city with rooms off it, theres labs sleeping quarters etc. And well uniform is what they have to wear on or off duty walking around atlantis whatever they wish in there room. Simple concept to understand....

TattertotLove
September 9th, 2006, 09:20 PM
Good Episode. I'm actually seeing this in order. It's amazing!!!!!
I like Bob the Wraith. I now have made up a song about all of the wraith that are well know in Atlantis. That just shows how bored I am.

Anyways GO BOB!!! (even though he got killed)
:wraith37:

teal'c2006
March 12th, 2007, 11:09 AM
loved the episode, is one of my many favorites from season one.....

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 09:30 AM
this episode is up there with one of the best finale's of the franchise imo

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 03:20 AM
ancient defence satellite seemed a little lasrt minute 11th hour thing even though it dint qwork completely

ktebid
February 22nd, 2010, 03:10 PM
I felt this episode really set up a great finale. I was sad to see Grodin die, I had forgotten how he passed. I would have thought that the satellite would have warrented further investigation as soon as it was discovered, and not left until they needed it.

mrscopterdoc
August 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Good episode but so sad about Grodin :(

maneth
November 24th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Yeah, Grodin was one of my favorite guest characters. The whole satellite thing was quite cool IMO.

Skie
March 19th, 2011, 09:27 AM
I was sad seeing Grodin gone. He was a good side character. As others said the satellite seemed to be a bit of a last minute thing.

It was a great episode but I have some minor complain. Why do they have to downgrade both ancients and wraiths. Rodney says "Keep in mind that the Ancient technology was far superior -- they only lost the war because they were vastly outnumbered."

Come on, the reason why the ancients lost was because they were outnumbered? Yeah I know about the cloning thing. But soldiers aren't doing you any good if you have no means to use them like more ships for example?!
If their technology was so far superior, I'm sure they could have pulled winning the war off.
It is also inconsistent with what we heard in
Rising 1: Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivalled our own.
Before I Sleep: a vicious, formidable enemy whose power and technology rivalled their own.

From this you really have to conclude that the wraith could put up a fairly equal fight against the ancient. It would have made a lot more sense if the ancient lost because they were outnumbered by an almost technological equal enemy and that they had only two advantages, their powerful shield and the cloaking technology. But that wasn't enough to defeat the wraith only to hold them off a bit.

Edit:We clearly see that Bob is using the radio and that's how he knows they're coming. But then he should also know that there is a second team behind him. Why doesn't he take preventive measures for that? That's really bugging me as well as the fact they don't show what Bob has been doing in the last two weeks.

LT. COL. John Sheppard
September 24th, 2011, 11:52 PM
I just finished watching it about 30 minutes ago. I was pleased with it though I was saddened at the loss of a valued member of the Atlantis Expedition! :(
If you mean Ford I agree but Ronon is a LOT BETTER :ford::ronananime01:

GateGhost
October 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM
If you mean Ford I agree but Ronon is a LOT BETTER :ford::ronananime01:

And a lot more cute.

gateraid
October 25th, 2011, 06:13 PM
Yeah, I agree, the satellite thing was a bit of a surprise, although I was pleased that they revisited that particular plot point and had a convincing reason for doing so. It was bittersweet to see Grodin die, but it really drove up the stakes for the episode and what might've happened in the next episode

garhkal
November 4th, 2011, 12:14 PM
ancient defence satellite seemed a little lasrt minute 11th hour thing even though it dint qwork completely

While i admit it did seem a little last minute, that it still took out 1 hive showed the power of the lanteans weaponry.


I felt this episode really set up a great finale. I was sad to see Grodin die, I had forgotten how he passed. I would have thought that the satellite would have warrented further investigation as soon as it was discovered, and not left until they needed it.



It was very sad he died.. IMO he was one of the best 2nd string actors for SGA.

Lythisrose
June 18th, 2012, 05:50 AM
From Joe Mallozzi's Blog:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/june-17-2012-checking-out-the-new-food-trucks-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-siege-i-and-ii/
SIEGE I (119)

Like most Martin Gero episodes, this one has a nice balance of humor, character development, and arc-driven elements to satisfy the die-hard fan. The wraith are on their way to Atlantis and, while Sheppard scrambles to find a suitable planet they can relocate to, McKay leads a team to an Ancient weapons outpost in a bid to bring it back online and use it to target one of the three enemy hive ships. By this point in the season, the McKay/Zelenka rivalry has finally attained the snappy, back-and-forth dynamic that will serve as a model for the ensuing four season’s worth of one-upmanship. Here, Radek tries to convince Rodney not to risk his unnecessarily, and he does so by playing to his ego. Rodney, however, turns the tables on Radek and dismisses the obvious concern by needling him. The subtext is clear. These two guys are concerned for each other but their egos went let them admit it.

Sheppard has no luck locating a safe haven for the expedition, at one point being chased back to Atlantis by a creature resembling a T-Rex. The fact that we, the audience never get to see the creature was a running gag for a while – so, in SGU’s first season episode, Lost (not so coincidentally written by Martin Gero), a team encounters a dinosaur off-world. And, this time, you can bet we see it.

At one point, Teyla hits Bates because she is offended by his accusations. Even Sheppard bristles at the suggestion that Teyla may have been compromised. And yet, when you think about it, Bates has a point. In fact, he makes it clear – he’s not accusing her of knowingly aiding the wraith. He’s simply pointing out that, based on past experience, it might be wise to exercise caution. Teyla may have found his opinion insulting, but it was a sound one and SHE was out of line hitting him – Sheppard just as guilty in not taking his own advice dispensed in the previous episode. He allows emotion to overrule logic in a potential life or death situation.

In addition to all this, we lose a member of the expedition in shocking fashion, and Atlantis takes in another wraith – who Sheppard nicknames Bob before blowing him away. It’s dark, yes, and Ford is clearly uncomfortable as John shoots the prisoner but this is Sheppard at his ambiguous best.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 27th, 2012, 04:02 PM
So here we go. This was a great episode.

The ending was amazing, with Shep killing a Wraith, and our heroes being basically boned because we destroyed only one ship.

Tomorrow, the incredibility amazing finale to Atlantis' first season.

hlndncr
June 29th, 2012, 09:11 AM
Good episode. I found myself totally sucked in.

The music was awesome. As always, Joel Goldsmith does an amazing job heightening the emotions with his beautiful and haunting score.

So sad to see Peter go. It was a meaningful death both from a plot stand point (he took out a hive ship all by himself) and emotionally because he was a secondary character but one you knew and liked.

In fact, the secondary characters are really the best part of this episode IMO. I know the Zelenka/McKay duo is the one most people remember, but I think he is really great with Weir. (He doesn't work nearly so well with Carter.) David Nykl gave a really strong performance all the way around.

This is also the last time we see Bates on Atlantis, which is a shame. He was a great foil for Shep, who needed someone who could tell him to start thinking with his head instead of leaving it up his @$$. When Bates confronts Shep about the potential security breach from Teyla's connection to the wraith he's not wrong. But once again Shep shows his terrible leadership skills (and to be fair Shep was never meant to be the leader--he clearly doesn't have the experience or the temperment for it) and shuts him down in the rudest way possible. Later after the confrontation with Teyla at least he rightly dresses her down instead of simply jumping on Bates again, but I'm telling you this guy needs some command training. I think even McKay's thoughts on leadership would help him.

One of the things that has always put me off Atlantis was the lack of team. In SG-1 if Sam had to go on a dangerous mission to fix a super weapon the team would go with her. No way Jack, Daniel or Teal'c would let her go without them. (And she's far better at taking care of herself than McKay is.) But here, the team is always split up on separate assignments. I think their interaction with secondary characters is better than with one another. And that's why SG-1 will always be my favorite.

I will say that this season is ending with a nice slow burn to the crescendo. It's a very satisfying arch because it feels like they're taking the time needed to really let the whole story unfold and pull you along.

Krisz
June 29th, 2012, 01:48 PM
The tension continues to build and its done really well with trying to repair the Ancient weapons platform. Whilst the loss of Peter was sad, he was a personable character, the satisfaction of seeing that beam cut the hive ship in half makes his death meaningful and heroic.

The 'is she, or isn't she a threat?' question was well played out with Bates being the continuing voice of reason as far as the potential threats Teyla's connection with the Wraith was concerned. Whilst Bates was annoying at times I came to like his character for questioning things and making others stop and think.

I liked the way every effort to save Atlantis was difficult and then ultimately futile. Finally it's pushed to the limit when they had nothing left but the self destruct.

So the hope and fear continues into the next part! Great stuff!

Matt G
June 29th, 2012, 03:30 PM
Wednesday night...coming to the end of the season...

1. McKay being referred to as sir?

2. Ah, this is the one with the database.

3. Pretty good entrance from Bob.

4. That's the last we're going to see of Bates isn't it...hang on, doesn't he show up on Earth at some point?

Showtime!

ZRFTS
June 30th, 2012, 02:04 AM
The Siege (Part 1)

Well... This is it, the first part of what many claim to be the most epic thing Stargate Atlantis has done so far; expectations have been set highly and everybody is eagerly anticipating what will happen in this episode. The hype for these episodes are unike something I've never seen, well okay I've seem similar hype but around the Stargate fandom this seems to be treated much like the release of a new Harry Potter book. At the time I could imagine thousands of fans camping around just so they can watch the live screening of the episode on a big tent screen but what people are wondering is this, will it live up to expecations? Well it's only the first part of a saga, by the end; you'll know.

One thing I have to note is how much stuff is packed into here; compare this episode to "The Storm", in that episode barely anything is happening and that episode is the first part of a two parter but in this episode, there is tons of stuff going on; whenever one plot is going on, another thing is happening and there are even times where one plot that is ongoing is dropped for a even newer plot. It's just amazing how many sheer plots they manage to fit into the thing and the best thing is, they manage to keep it tense and flowing. Having the Wraith can do wonders as it allows for a pick-me-up pace that really gives the episode it's hectic feel; sure there are some elements which feel slow but they can't really detract from the fast moments where our heroes are out setting things up, looking and hoping that what they're doing works. None of it makes you wish you could skip over to the second part where things supposedly gets good, no the fact that there's a lot of good stuff in Part 1 makes you anticipate the next episode when that "To Be Continued" thing appears at the end.


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Tons of action!

The characters all handle themselves as admirably as ever; I believe that being part of a saga convinces them to set up to the plate as they're tasked with the additional job of making everything as epic as possible. In regards to dramatic moments, I thought Teyla, Sheppard and Bates provided the best moments; Teyla continues her wraithal evolution from "The Gift" and her character here is put to good use as it fuels the suspicion and concerns that drama ever so thrives on. Bates suspicion may be common but I thought he put enough energy into it to make it unique, the best part of it comes when SGA has it's first fight/argument amongst two people; I really loved it, it just provided the conflict that makes these things what they are and what happens afterwards just serves as icing on the cake, especially as Shephard gets a chance to make his voice known. I like Sheppard in many performances but many times he's just playing the wiseguy, with this situation he's able to yell and assert himself the way that he can, utilizing something which I think is a neglected part of his character. I wish the writers would use more of that character trait.

The moments on the satellite are decent with it providing many of the McKay moments many people have come to know and love. In my opinion I feel like the satellite are the most comedic moments of the episode, what with the gravity falling and the things opening up and the jokes; you can't have an episode like this and not expect there to be some comedy would you? especially with all of the edgy, violent stuff going on that much of this episode seems to consist of. I have no idea what the writers see in McKay or why they're putting him in dangerous situations (shows how invaluable he is) but he does work well as the comedic relief; some of the elements like breathing heavily and making sly, annoying comments are stuff that detracts from his character but when he makes the unexpected joke or moment; he's funny... His entire presence serves to somewhat lighten up an episode that's focused on possible death, destruction on Atlantis, etc. and while time is on the line, he doesn't act like it's on the line as he does his performance well; the other guys are decent and some of them outshine Dr. McKay but McKay is the star on the show on the satellite.


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Truly the star of this show.

Much of the episode contains some truly awesome things, things such as the various ambushes and interrogations, space explosions and even some "on the clock" situations; they certainly make it what it is, they involve people & they both serve to give sci-fi fans something to crave for and they serve to support the story which the writers worked so hard on. I especially love it when action manages to contributes to a story; when I'm watching something like the people returning from the gate, I feel relieved that I know that it's contributing from the story at hand while being free to enjoy it for what it is. However, I feel like this is just a taste of the awesome things that are to come next episode... but man are these things awesome! They haven't forgotten about the serious things to, the ever approaching Wraith allows the chance for Atlantis to find a form of somberness and tension that's unique to this episode and to be placed into a situation that quite reflects real life nicely...

These characters don't claim to do things that we can't do (well they can do some things) and we do the same things these characters do as well, that sort of commonness is simplistic but that simplicity is what makes it brilliantly clever and it helps us to find a common ground between the action and the tension. We can easily reflect to our own lives when we see the Athosians object to the destruction of Atlantis; we can reflect to our own personal struggles as Dr. Weir holds on to hope, dreading the day where she has to resort to last measures but not counting out that possibility whatsoever, we even can reflect when they're working diligently around the clock, despite the impossible odds. There's always something to relate to and even though it's a common statement it always seems to have deepness no matter how much it's used and that helps the situation be as believable as possible.


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Working hard or hardly working...

The first part of this saga starts it off to an exceptional start; it actually gets people engaged, immersing us in a world of action, awesomeness and tension that doesn't let up. It has amazing moments, a situation which is compelling as it is engaging and it leaves us waiting for the second part; which is good. This moment has been hyped throughout all of the season and I'm just glad that the writers didn't waste this opportunity; all is riding on the line here and I'm sure even more will be riding come Part 2.

9.0/10

Lieutenant Sparrow
July 1st, 2012, 12:44 AM
A pretty great ep. Not quite as good as the next ep. But still good.

Unlike for some people, Bates didn't grow on me at all. He was within his right to question Teyla. But he goes way over the top. Almost to the point where it's just blind hate. I'm glad Teyla hit him.

Haha at Rodney still being in the air when the gravity was turned on. That had to hurt.

Pretty epic entrance by Bob. A flash grenade followed by very quick stun gun shots. Effortless.

What I liked about the satellite was how it used some kind of beam weapon. Very different to the usual Ancient weaponry.

Damn those Hive ships fired fast. Or were the cruisers firing as well. It only looked the Hive ships were. I don't think they fire quite that fast in later eps.

Poor Grodin :( I liked him

Jae'a
July 1st, 2012, 12:58 PM
Unlike for some people, Bates didn't grow on me at all. He was within his right to question Teyla. But he goes way over the top. Almost to the point where it's just blind hate. I'm glad Teyla hit him.

Ditto on that one, that guy annoys the heck out of me.

But poor Grodin though, that kinda sucked.. :(
Great ep otherwise.
My LiveJounal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/62183.html)
(Starting to lag behind a bit, gotta catch up...)

Darian
July 2nd, 2012, 11:54 PM
Great episode good end to the first season

jelgate
July 14th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I am so far behind due to schoolwork and I probably won't catch up anytime soon. Anyway, I like this episode mostly for the McKay stuff on the satalite. It showed some nice character moments between McKay and Grodin. I was especially sad to see Grodin to die. He was such a prominent recurring character that it was sad to see him go. The other stuff seemed set up for part 2. Stuff like the Zelenka virus and Weir arguing with Hailing about destroying Atlantis seem largely filler. The Bates and Teyla clashing was solved a little too easily wiith a Wraith injuring Bates. Too convient of a solution

garhkal
July 16th, 2012, 03:25 PM
it may be convenient, but it was also logical.

jelgate
July 16th, 2012, 03:38 PM
Convient and logical are two very criteras

j7n
January 31st, 2014, 05:51 AM
Oh, and how many of you yelled out loud at the geniuses that 3 people can't play rock, paper, sissors?Every time I watched the episode. They could just continue with the game until either a winner or a loser emerges, as decided before the game begins. That would have happened on the second or third round with only three people. No need to break a perfectly good pencil.


Sheppard did realize that he was completely shattering the Geneva Convention when he shot Bob, didn't he? I can see his reasons for killing him, but a small part of my brain muttering, "And here Kavanagh goes again."He is the main character. He can do anything. He can make stupid jokes when people die and structures worth millions of dollars that had survived for thoisands of years explode. Sheppard gets excused because he's somehow doing that for the people, and not his ego. It's hard to like Kavanagh, but I feel he's been treated unfairly, when this picking on him continues for 2 seasons at least.

Teyla was awesome when she hit Sergeant Bates in the face. It must be hard on her surviving in the human society, being accused of serving the Wraith, being crazy, and on several occasions needing to ask for permission from military guards and medical staff to leave or proceed with whatever plan she had. If I was her, I'd be strongly tempted to send Wraith onto Atlantis, after such treatment, keeping in mind that it is Humans who own the city now, and the city's survival is of little concern to them (as revealed in the dialogue between Weir and Halling.)

I'm noticing that no plans for practical evacuation exist yet. They are preparing to leave almost naked (presumably to die of hunger, disease, Iratus bug or t-rexes). Atlantis does have at least a couple Gateships at their disposal. Those should have been loaded with supplies and technology needed the most to re-establish a base elsewhere.

The black military grade NEC video monitors looked awesome, quite sturdy and without unnecessary shine on their finish. It's not the first occurrence when the brand is being prominently shown in closeup. It was a great company, good products, DiamondTrons, CD burners, etc. But the opening scene looked like an ad. :)

But since it is a great brand, here it goes again. :)

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61700377/misc/sga_nec_bates.jpg

thekillman
January 31st, 2014, 08:46 AM
It's hard to like Kavanagh, but I feel he's been treated unfairly, when this picking on him continues for 2 seasons at least.
just watch "38 minutes".

The entire Kavanaugh hatred thing is poorly setup and completely unjustified. It's a very, very forced hatred.

garhkal
February 8th, 2014, 12:22 PM
Maybe he took a dump in the coffee pot that everyone else drank from?

mrscopterdoc
August 20th, 2014, 08:35 AM
Unlike for some people, Bates didn't grow on me at all. He was within his right to question Teyla. But he goes way over the top. Almost to the point where it's just blind hate. I'm glad Teyla hit him.
I agree with you! I just never liked Bates.

LionHamster
April 15th, 2015, 06:01 AM
That Dart was modified, they said that very explicitly.



We've seen a fraction of Atlantis. You simply can't make that kind of assumption. Despite the obvious fact that they would be kept near the Gate, the mere fact that we saw one cruising around Antarctica means they used them for other things as well.

Outside of those two problems, it was a really good post :)

You seem to enjoy crunching numbers, so here are some images for your counting pleasure (I assume the big dots are Hives, while the little ones are Darts):

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http://img179.exs.cx/img179/7038/near1bs.jpg



Zelenka said it's the last of several dozen. Dictionary.com's primary definition of several is "Being of a number more than two or three but not many". I'm thinking at least four, at the very most ten dozen satellites once defended the area. The mere fact that only one remains indicates that they were all put to good use.

I rewatched the part with Zelenka's quote, I didn't hear anything about defending the entire star system. If you could give me an approximate time, I'd appreciate it :)

Now, onto My Opinion of the Episode

Overall: Great.

Character development: Zelenka's development and screen-time is clearly being put in place to offset the death of you-know-who. I like this, since I'm a Zelenka fan and I didn't much like you-know-who. We also saw the excellent scenes with Teyla and Bates, and learned about how Teyla and her people get offended by accusations of working for the Wraith. Excellent, largely overlooked scene with Halling speaking to Weir about destroying Atlantis. Really said alot about the differences between Athosians and Earthlings' respective points of view. Shep had a good, although rather short scene with Bob. Ford was a little annoying with this one, following Shep around the whole time.

Action: Nice seeing the Hive ship destroyed, that was pretty much it. I wouldn't have minded seeing the T-Rex, but oh well ;)

Definetly can't wait for next week.

The thing was modified for range not firepower it would have weaker weapons of anything

pro
August 4th, 2018, 11:29 AM
I'm just rewatching this episode and something that bothers me is th whole "Ancient Database" issue.
Zelenka states that they can only save 7, maybe 8 percent of the database. This seems to me pretty ridiculous as he makes it a point to state the city has extreme redundancies and that even if destroyed, the technology could still be reverse engineered. Wouldn't that mean that the database itself would also have redundancies in place allowing it to be recreated with a minimum of surviving data?

Xaeden
August 4th, 2018, 05:53 PM
I'm just rewatching this episode and something that bothers me is th whole "Ancient Database" issue.
Zelenka states that they can only save 7, maybe 8 percent of the database. This seems to me pretty ridiculous as he makes it a point to state the city has extreme redundancies and that even if destroyed, the technology could still be reverse engineered. Wouldn't that mean that the database itself would also have redundancies in place allowing it to be recreated with a minimum of surviving data?

Zelenka explained that the database is "incredibly redundant" because it has an ability to constantly back itself up. That's not a problem because the Wraith can recreate destroyed data. That's a problem because it means the data is not stored solely on a central computer that the expedition could destroy on their way out. Rather it is stored there and it stores backups throughout the city's computer systems, so one surviving piece of the city could contain backup data on ZPMs, while another contains backup data on hyperdrive engines, and so on and so forth. Thus, there remained a risk that the Wraith could find what they wanted if they went through with their initial self-destruct plan because Zelenka did not know what was backed up where and exactly what would or would not be recoverable.

The issue with them saving 7 or 8 percent of the database was that the Ancient computers are apparently built into the city and lack detachable storage drives that can be carried through the Stargate. As a result, the expedition could only save a small percentage to their own Earth-made storage devices...

WEIR: How much of it could we save?

ZELENKA: I'm sorry?

WEIR: Of the database. Now, we brought a lot of hard drives with us -- how much could we transfer to our computers?

ZELENKA: You mean, like, back it up -- take a copy with us?

WEIR: Yes, exactly.

ZELENKA: Using McKay's compression codex, I'd say ... maybe seven, maybe eight percent.

pro
August 4th, 2018, 11:29 PM
Zelenka explained that the database is "incredibly redundant" because it has an ability to constantly back itself up. That's not a problem because the Wraith can recreate destroyed data. That's a problem because it means the data is not stored solely on a central computer that the expedition could destroy on their way out. Rather it is stored there and it stores backups throughout the city's computer systems, so one surviving piece of the city could contain backup data on ZPMs, while another contains backup data on hyperdrive engines, and so on and so forth. Thus, there remained a risk that the Wraith could find what they wanted if they went through with their initial self-destruct plan because Zelenka did not know what was backed up where and exactly what would or would not be recoverable.

The issue with them saving 7 or 8 percent of the database was that the Ancient computers are apparently built into the city and lack detachable storage drives that can be carried through the Stargate. As a result, the expedition could only save a small percentage to their own Earth-made storage devices...

WEIR: How much of it could we save?

ZELENKA: I'm sorry?

WEIR: Of the database. Now, we brought a lot of hard drives with us -- how much could we transfer to our computers?

ZELENKA: You mean, like, back it up -- take a copy with us?

WEIR: Yes, exactly.

ZELENKA: Using McKay's compression codex, I'd say ... maybe seven, maybe eight percent.

Exactly, if the database is so redundant and exists in a bunch of backups, could they not have potentially had a small console to pack up and take with them? Sort of like, idk, store a console on the puddle jumper and take in case of emergency.

Xaeden
August 5th, 2018, 07:52 AM
I'm not sure how Atlantis' computer systems are supposed work. I would've thought that, like with the Goa'uld, data is stored on crystals, which could easily be removed and carried, through the gate but apparently not.

Outside of the context of video games where a console refers a computer system, a console is just an interface, so while the panels that they push buttons on can be removed and carried through the gate, they probably don't store data. I really have no clue, however, why their actual data storage devices wouldn't be small, carry-able, and removable from the larger computer system. The implication of what Zelanka said is that this isn't the case, but that's... strange.

pro
August 5th, 2018, 10:07 AM
I'd expect them to be able to unplug some sort of server from the rest of the city and just wheel it through, something about the size of the Ancient repository of knowledge.