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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 118</FONT>
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Plagued by terrifying nightmares, Teyla begins to recall a time when she and her father were captured by the Wraith and subjected to disturbing experiments.

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MartoufMarty
January 17th, 2005, 07:04 PM
That episode ROCKED! Teyla is my hero!

Basically...

Teyla is having bad dreams, on edge, cranky. John tells her to see the shrink. In her dreams, Teyla is being fed on by a Wraith that is herself as a Wraith.

Teyla goes to the mainland, talks to some woman who tells her of this planet where people who were taken by the Wraith came back. They could hear voices, got violent. The people on the planet either killed the 'Taken' or sent them away.

Turns out one of those that was sent away was one of Teyla's ancestors.

Teyla and the gang go to the planet, Teyla finds a little lab.

They find a data recorder, Rodney takes it back, they look it over. Weir starts doing translations.

Turns out the Wraith are from the Ancients (HA! *laughs at all the people who thought otherwise*). A cross between Ancients, and those bugs that attack John in 38 Minutes.

Anyways, it turns out a rogue Wraith was doing experiments to make people more... like the Wraith (forget exactly why) and those people could hear the Wraith because Wraith can contact each other telepathically and what-not.

Turns out Teyla can do that too. Teyla says basically, 'let's do it'.

Hypnosis! (I should write this show) The doc (Kate Whats-Her-Face) does the thing with the flashlight, Teyla can hear the Wraith, Teyla can see from a Wraith's POV in a hive ship. The Wraith feeds off someone, Weir tells the Doc to stop.

Teyla isn't happy, she's 'let's do it again'. Do it again, Teyla sees more, sees a control room, gets taken over by a Wraith who says basically, 'you're going to all die. You can't stop us.'

They wake up Teyla, Weir says no more, Teyla says she's getting close.

Bates dials in from their potential Alpha site said 'it was like the Wraith knew we were there'.

Teyla does the whole thing again, sees their route and what-not, gets taken over by a Wraith again.

Wraithed Teyla attacks everyone, starts going for Weir, Bates shoots her a couple times with a Wraith stun-gun.

Teyla found out their route, and that they want to go to Earth.

Also turns out that Wraith mutli-task. Eat and interrorgate at the same time.

Rodney and Zelenka were bickering at the beginning, they later tried to get Beckett on the chair. Turns out Rodney and Zelenka had a bet to see if Beckett was right about the Wraith being from the Ancients.

Zelenka won the bet lol.

Nice quote that made me laugh...

Weir: (about Wraith showing up in a week)... I want options.

Rodney: Besides crying ourselves to sleep... Not me. I haven't slept in days.

I felt like making a summary, okay? :P

Also I have to say that I LOVED b!tchy Teyla at the beginning.

Her and John were doing the whole training thing and John was kicking Teyla's ass lol.

Teyla snapped at Weir, snapped at John, and was just b!tchy from lack of sleep.

Go Teyla!

And her being taken over by a Wraith? SO COOL!

She looks kind of creepy as a Wraith...

queenselqet31
January 17th, 2005, 07:14 PM
HOLY ARSE THAT WAS COOL. Finally we get to see what Teyla is like. And Rodney has a g/f aww. Wonder how long Shep will put up with that. :) And Teyla as a Wraith=CREEPY.

The season finalie 2 parter is gonna be so good. :D

MartoufMarty
January 17th, 2005, 07:16 PM
HOLY ARSE THAT WAS COOL. Finally we get to see what Teyla is like. And Rodney has a g/f aww. Wonder how long Shep will put up with that. :) And Teyla as a Wraith=CREEPY.

The season finalie 2 parter is gonna be so good. :D
Ah, you pervy McKay/Sheppard slasher you :P

Completely agree.

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE REST OF THE EPISODES!

*jumps around*

*trips*

*breaks leg*

Rodney and Zelenka are so great together. Bickering, betting lol.

queenselqet31
January 17th, 2005, 07:20 PM
*jumps around*

*trips*

*breaks leg*



*sends Dr. Beckett to take care of you* ;)

TOA
January 17th, 2005, 07:26 PM
You are so from Manitoba :)

Anyways its an ok episode. (not great - truthfully I was expecting last weeks episode to be the filler, but I actually think this one is it)

So what did we learn from "The Gift":

1) The Ancients were involved in the creation of the Wraith as they are now. Although it seems to have been an accident - simply an accident of bad timing and placement rather than of the "tinkering" which may have been involved.

2) Teyla has some genetic links to the wrath by means of "tinkering" by the rogue Wraith trying to find a more "efficient" means to feed

3) The Wraith do actually communicate telepathically. And Teyla can somewhat tap into their telepathic network

4) Teyla was NOT directly experimented on - her ancestors were, on their original homeworld (not althosia or whatever planet the Althosians came from). They were run out of the planet, which was later (when the Wraith realized they had been experiemented on) purged.

5) The Wraith know about Earth, and that Atlantis is the only place that can gate there.

Thats it - all the important stuff in 5 points :)

oohhh one more 6) The Wraith are now less than 10 days from Atlantis - they plan on several more stops prior.

Can I get a "S-I-E-G-E"!

Major Tyler
January 17th, 2005, 07:30 PM
"Great Windows"...I mean, "Great Episode!" :D

Calicto
January 17th, 2005, 07:30 PM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...

MartoufMarty
January 17th, 2005, 07:36 PM
*sends Dr. Beckett to take care of you* ;)
Whoohoo!

I'd break my leg anyday for him :P

MartoufMarty
January 17th, 2005, 07:37 PM
You are so from Manitoba :)
Hey, what's that supposed to mean? :P


Can I get a "S-I-E-G-E"!


S

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G

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WHOOHOOO!

MadJaffa
January 17th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...

My theory:

She said that either because:
A: They didn't know, it was a rouge scientist.
B: They wanted to perseve their image for postarity.

Paintballman
January 17th, 2005, 07:50 PM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...


Once they left the humans on the planet I dont think they went back for a long long time.

EyeStrain
January 17th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Are the wraiths cross between humans or ancients?

Aadizookaan
January 17th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Are the wraiths cross between humans or ancients?
Humans and the Bugs - Dr. Wier finds this out after translating the Wraith language; which just happens to be a derivitive of the Ancient Language.

Interesting little side note, I knew right away when Rodney brought up the information on the screen and I recognized the symbols.

This bug/human thing is reminicient of SG1's episode BANE. But that is neither here nor there.

Shoot tangent again. I digress.

Ah, now where was I?

Avreana
January 17th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I thought this was a good episode but not a great one. There were a lot of interesting revelations in it, but I didn’t get as emotionally drawn in as I have the past few episodes.

I liked how all the characters were quite snippy with each other. Everyone is quite freaked out by their impending doom, and it shows. I loved all the little character interactions that were going on. Something this show does amazingly well. I’ll have to watch it again before I can remember them all. And all of the supporting cast made an appearance (except Grodin, unless I missed him)

Also, I was surprised to read that some people thought that McKay was seeing Dr Heightmeier romantically. I felt for sure that he was just implying that to Teyla because he was embarrassed about needing a psychologist. I could be wrong, however. (it has been known to happen ;) )

I am dying of anticipation for next week’s episode. It is going to be amazing! :D

Teal'c
January 18th, 2005, 12:12 AM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...
The Ancients were in Pegasus for millions of years. They seeded the planet the Wraith came from with human life, that accidently became the Wraith and eventually the Ancients found their dark enemy sleeping.

Great episode again. Brilliant to see Kavanagh back. I just hope Zelenka and Bates make it through the next two weeks...

DelTrax1
January 18th, 2005, 01:00 AM
Haven't actually read anyone's report but I have to tell ya. I am so blown away by this episode. I didn't think that that was the case. That makes me even more into Atlantis then ever before. Can't wait to see the Season Finale's.

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2005, 01:10 AM
HOLY And Rodney has a g/f aww. Wonder how long Shep will put up with that. :)

Is that true? I thought McKay just made that up to hide the fact that he is seeing a shrink. It wouldn't surprise me that McKay would want the shrink to be his g/f but I don't know if he is that lucky (he did save the day quite a few times on Atlantis). Also, did Weir refer to McKay as "Rod" now and has this happened before?

Anyhow, this was a solid episode, though. It definitely shows the vulnerable sides of Teyla. I also love how Weir got to do some translation and helped out in that way. I just hope that many of the recurring characters get to survive the seige.

Q

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2005, 01:14 AM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...

The Wraith must have evolved at the outskirt of the Ancients's territory. If they were able to pick up some language maybe they also picked up some technology to accelerate their technological evolution.

Zipacna_fr
January 18th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Wraith technological advance have been extremely fast : no stupid altercations like between human (or Ancients) scientists, they have an "hive spirit" which give them the Unique-Think, "yeah guys no contradictions, we must feed".

Some remarks about this episode

1) The great theme of Wise FirstBorn Few UpperHumans (Elves...) against big bad Corrupted GreatBreeding Humans (Orcs, Gobelins...)...

1bis) Wraith are definitely Mordocs...

2) The Wraith stuff became "rationnaly cheap" : now we have a "cheap" explanation for vampire-like humanoïds who cant feed like us and have useless teeths... Maybe the bugs had appeared in Pegasus when the Ancients seeded "basis life" with their machine (hard to explain, my English is to week) : i think the aspirating-life process is too complicated to appear spontaneously, and the bug must have Earth cells because they had DNA. It must be a long-time interaction between life-related technology (Fontain of Youth, Life seeding machine...) and usual Evolution of species...

3) The Telepathical link : sounds like the Replicator one. It's very strange to see a human brain generate enough power to etablish a subspace long range communication... If only Zelenka or other scientist isolates frequency, they could build a noise machine to annoy the Wraith (sending Britney Spears in loops on the Network lol).

4) Rogue Wraith? What the f****! I believed Wraiths were without individualism!

Carbito
January 18th, 2005, 02:39 AM
That was a great episode! Plenty of character development for Teyla and also provided a lot of information on the background of the Wraith.

AlphaBlu
January 18th, 2005, 02:42 AM
I really liked that episode. Teyla got to do a lot, Weir got to do a lot, infact everyone got to do alot ('cept Ford, as usual). Lots of stuff going on, and the feeling of dread that's been rising (no pun intended) since The Brotherhood is reaching its peak. Almost makes me want to watch The Siege before watching Mobius Part.

Also, Dr. Heightmyer is hot. We must see her again.

BYE

kryon22
January 18th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Hmm...the genetics and biology of the episode is a little suspect. Not to mention dubious. But i suppose having watched shows like Dark Angel and X-men, we can suspend our disbelief and take at face value that combining genetic elements of different species gives the recipient some of their characteristics. What I'm kinda interested in is the time-line surrounding the evolution of the Wraith. Now, with all the conflicting suppositions as to when the Ancients flew off from Earth, and when they actually arrived in the Pegasus, to the time they started seeding human life (note, while they may be similar, my strong convictions are that the genetics and biology of humans and ancients are still very different despite sharing a large percentage of similarities...even chimps have only a 0.1% difference in genetic composition from us, but look at the physiological and social difference).

I thought it was an interesting episode, but i suppose it'll make more sense in season 2 of Atlantis.

Angelique
January 18th, 2005, 03:43 AM
Turns out the Wraith are from the Ancients (HA! *laughs at all the people who thought otherwise*). A cross between Ancients, and those bugs that attack John in 38 Minutes.
Hmm could the clingon( :p ) have been trying to turn Sheppard into a wraith, or was it just feeding on him? Could be something for the writers to look in to when they run out of ideas, if that ever happens.

MartoufMarty
January 18th, 2005, 05:54 AM
Hmm could the clingon( :p ) have been trying to turn Sheppard into a wraith, or was it just feeding on him? Could be something for the writers to look in to when they run out of ideas, if that ever happens.
Ha ha... ha ha ha :P

Probably just trying to eat him.

Probably that Wraith that showed up didn't shoot it because it was his first cousin twice removed on his mother's side. He just couldn't kill family :P

CoffeeGirl
January 18th, 2005, 06:47 AM
I just watched the bit again where Teyla goes to Dr. Heightmeyer and meets McKay there and he says, "We're seeing each other". English is not my first language, but doesn't "seeing each other" mean "romantically involved"? Or at least "dating"?

Buggy542
January 18th, 2005, 06:58 AM
I just watched the bit again where Teyla goes to Dr. Heightmeyer and meets McKay there and he says, "We're seeing each other". English is not my first language, but doesn't "seeing each other" mean "romantically involved"? Or at least "dating"?
Yup! And that's what made it funny :p

Speaking of funny...

I loved it when Ford was saying: "a little what? You have a little what?" The look Shep gave him was priceless. :D

CoffeeGirl
January 18th, 2005, 07:15 AM
Oh, so you think McKay just pretended to be dating Heightmeyer when he really had an appointment? Hee! :D A very McKay thing to do. And now that you mention it, when he said, "Don't tell anyone", it looked like he was pointing at Kate too. Hmmmm.

astronomicalchick
January 18th, 2005, 08:24 AM
I just watched the bit again where Teyla goes to Dr. Heightmeyer and meets McKay there and he says, "We're seeing each other". English is not my first language, but doesn't "seeing each other" mean "romantically involved"? Or at least "dating"?

Yes, it does. if he were seeing her, that would indicate more a professional relationship..

yay! go McKay!

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2005, 10:07 AM
I just watched the bit again where Teyla goes to Dr. Heightmeyer and meets McKay there and he says, "We're seeing each other". English is not my first language, but doesn't "seeing each other" mean "romantically involved"? Or at least "dating"?

Yeah, that would mean that they are "romantically involved" but I still think McKay was just trying to hide the fact that he is getting therapy (either b/c he has the sleep deprivation problem and/or the hots for the pyschologist...probably both). The facial expressions of that scene and the lack of interaction between McKay and Dr. Heitmeyer are dead give aways.

Mr. Seven
January 18th, 2005, 10:17 AM
Alright besides that this was a great storyline we got some good moments.

1. Ford making fun of McKay, but being told to stop by Shepperd. In which Ford responds something like, "So it's alright if you guys make fun of me?"

2. Bates being the stone faced soldier he is puts the possessed Teyla down without hesitation.

3. McKay forgetting which way he's going after Teyla finds out he's dating the shrink.

4. That ******* in the pony tail trying to upstage Weir again. I swear, I want to see either Shepperd or Ford deck him before the Season is out.

As for the origins of the Wraith and Teyla's powers, that was very well done. A lot of exposition, but it beats flashing back.

I'm starting to think that the Wraith are not the threat the Ancients spoke of. I think they were created by the threat, spliced using human DNA and that of those bugs....

IMForeman
January 18th, 2005, 10:22 AM
It would seem the Wraith are to the Ancients what the Replicators are to the Asgard... an accidental nemesis that they've unwittingly helped advance. Let's hope our Tau'ri counterparts in Pegasus don't do what we did for the Replicators: make them far worse.

-IMF

Smegger
January 18th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Just a little thing I noticed about the nightmares,
the Wraith in Teyla's nightmare is infact the Wraith that infiltrates Atlantis in The Siege.

aschen
January 18th, 2005, 10:30 AM
I have yet to see the ep, but I swear... If the ancient humans really did make the Wraith, I'm going to stop watching because that is too absurdly stupid. :mad:

Buzz Lightyear
January 18th, 2005, 11:00 AM
I have yet to see the ep, but I swear... If the ancient humans really did make the Wraith, I'm going to stop watching because that is too absurdly stupid. :mad:

Two points:

1. No one has said the Ancients MADE the Wraith. As our information now stands, the Wraith would appear to be an accidental evolution of bug and human.

2. You have yet to see the episode, so making conclusions about something you haven't seen would be illogical. And being upset at these conclusions would be even more illogical.

Ohper
January 18th, 2005, 11:51 AM
I'm very unhappy with the way it's all going. The Siege better be FREAKING good to make up for this piece of crap "plot twist".

Buzz Lightyear
January 18th, 2005, 12:06 PM
I'm very unhappy with the way it's all going. The Siege better be FREAKING good to make up for this piece of crap "plot twist".

Care to share what you didn't like about the "plot twist" and why?

aAnubiSs
January 18th, 2005, 12:12 PM
I guess he has some of the same points I do:

How did they manage to reach a level of technology that was able to defeat the 50 Million years old Ancients?

How did the Ancients manage to not detect the Wraith while they were: Building their vast armada, reproducing like bunnies among other things.

It's unlikely that a race that built a transportation network in two galaxies forgot how to monitor their own science project with the help of observer drones.

Ohper
January 18th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Care to share what you didn't like about the "plot twist" and why?

Let's see... I don't like the way the plot twisted.

I'd much prefer it if the Wraith were native to Pegasus, and pre-dated the Ancients by millions of years, and they somehow tied into mythology. :(

Alpha17X
January 18th, 2005, 12:25 PM
I guess he has some of the same points I do:

How did they manage to reach a level of technology that was able to defeat the 50 Million years old Ancients?

How did the Ancients manage to not detect the Wraith while they were: Building their vast armada, reproducing like bunnies among other things.

It's unlikely that a race that built a transportation network in two galaxies forgot how to monitor their own science project with the help of observer drones.


the simple answer based on past episodes is that the wrait learn very fast. If I could find detailed information on using the spoiler tag I'd include details but the chain of hints leading up to this episode is 38 minutes, and The Defiant One. Odds are the wraith had been developing their own technology for a while and the ancients had grown content with their own and it didn't advance much. The ancients were probably there for a few million years before the bugs became the wraith or whatever happened. Think about what real humans on earth have done here in the thousands of years we've been advancing. You could do a heck of a lot in just a million years. Plus the stargates would have given them faster access to technology. The more odd thing is that all their tech is organic. I wonder how they they... grow it?

shockwave
January 18th, 2005, 12:36 PM
learning that the wraith are a hybrid between that bug and the ancients doesn't surprise me at all, that's what I always expected them to be :)

Good ep, as usual :)
well done RCC

Ohper
January 18th, 2005, 12:41 PM
learning that the wraith are a hybrid between that bug and the ancients doesn't surprise me at all, that's what I always expected them to be :)

That suprises me, because they're not a hybrid between that bug and the Ancients ;)

Ohper
January 18th, 2005, 12:45 PM
the simple answer based on past episodes is that the wrait learn very fast. If I could find detailed information on using the spoiler tag I'd include details but the chain of hints leading up to this episode is 38 minutes, and The Defiant One.

When the Wraith picked up the gun and shot at Shep? That was just one example of them "learning quickly". How long did it take for humans to figure out how Wraith stun-guns work?

Teal'c
January 18th, 2005, 01:26 PM
When the Wraith picked up the gun and shot at Shep? That was just one example of them "learning quickly". How long did it take for humans to figure out how Wraith stun-guns work?
Wraith stunners seem to be a click-and-play interface, like zats. A handgun is more complicated to operate.

Hatcheter
January 18th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Wraith stunners seem to be a click-and-play interface, like zats. A handgun is more complicated to operate.

A hand gun is still point and click. It requires a lot more maintenance than a Wraith stunner appears to, but the basic concept is the same.

I too had figured that the Wraith pre-dated the Ancients' arrival in Pegasus. As McKay said, it was most likely negligence on the Ancients' part that allowed the Wraith to grow. And the Ancients were arrogant. By the time they recognized the Wraith as a threat, it was already too late.

aschen
January 18th, 2005, 02:17 PM
I got dinged for my comment and there wasn't any signature.

Now anyone who said something against what I said gets dinged.

Ohper
January 18th, 2005, 02:45 PM
I got dinged for my comment and there wasn't any signature.

Now anyone who said something against what I said gets dinged.

But if you ding the wrong person, you'll probably get dinged again. ;)

aschen
January 18th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Not my problem. I have points to sprare. :)

Lt. Elliot
January 18th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Got to see "The Gift" today. Finished it about 5 minutes ago.
Things I Liked:
1. Very Teyla-centric. I think having at least one episode in mind to develop a character is good.
2. I was in shock when the Wraith took over Teyla. I was just, Wow! :eek:
3. The whole Teyla being able to hear and see the Wraith was really cool. Kinda made me shudder when it started to feed on the guy though.
4. Dr. Kate Heightenmeyer (sp). I liked her. Really good acting to me and she really portrayed the character well, but she used some big words.

Things I Didn't Like:
1. Pegasus Alpha Site location is revealed to the Wraith. Can anyone else say SG-1! (Jonas and the Alpha Site)
2. THE CHAIR! They wait until the eighteenth episode to mention they have one! Even if the power doesn't work, I still want to know they have one. And what other "defense technologies" have they found??
3. The whole "Ancients accidentally created the Wraith" was a little disturbing.
4. Teyla attacking Atlantis personnel. Kinda different. But Bates and the Wraith stun gun was cool.

Good Quotes/Moments:
1. Rodney in the briefing with the team about crying themselves to sleep. Pretty funny.
2. Teyla being able to go right through the wall! And then the dream right after with her and Dr. Heightenmeyer.
3. Opening scene was just awesome!

All in all, I give "The Gift" a 8/10 , not as good as "Letters to Pegasus", but around the same as "The Storm/The Eye" and "Rising 1 and 2". Still doesn't beat "Before I Sleep" though.

Next Week: "THE SIEGE, PART 1" The countdown begins!!

Stargate Agent
January 18th, 2005, 03:50 PM
This episode was a lot better than i thought. usually an episode that falls right before a large season finale, suffers from budget depletion. However this was a pretty good one.

That doctor chick was hot. They have had a lot of attractive women on this show so far...

dd78matt
January 18th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Have any of you ever seen "The Time Machine", the new 1? Now that the Wraith are part human, they remind me of the evolved humans that hunted the normal humans. Kinda lame. :mad:

the dancer of spaz
January 18th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Alright besides that this was a great storyline we got some good moments.

1. Ford making fun of McKay, but being told to stop by Shepperd. In which Ford responds something like, "So it's alright if you guys make fun of me?"

2. Bates being the stone faced soldier he is puts the possessed Teyla down without hesitation.

3. McKay forgetting which way he's going after Teyla finds out he's dating the shrink.

4. That ******* in the pony tail trying to upstage Weir again. I swear, I want to see either Shepperd or Ford deck him before the Season is out.

As for the origins of the Wraith and Teyla's powers, that was very well done. A lot of exposition, but it beats flashing back.

I'm starting to think that the Wraith are not the threat the Ancients spoke of. I think they were created by the threat, spliced using human DNA and that of those bugs....

Ugh! No more bugs! :P There are only so many CGI bugs a franchise can take! :D

Positively Kanyon
January 18th, 2005, 05:23 PM
How did they manage to reach a level of technology that was able to defeat the 50 Million years old Ancients?

I think the Ancients are only a few million years old, So I doubt they have been around for that long a time...


How did the Ancients manage to not detect the Wraith while they were: Building their vast armada, reproducing like bunnies among other things.

Two theories on this... Over the course a few million years development, the Ancients either didn't interfere with ANYTHING or if Pegasus was considered a "science experiment" they wanted to see what happens when the bug creatures and humans combined... I'm leaning towards the latter...


It's unlikely that a race that built a transportation network in two galaxies forgot how to monitor their own science project with the help of observer drones.

Explained above...

This episode in my opinion, actually cleared up the timeline for me... The great war started 10,000 years ago, and it's established that the Wraith had evolved from a blend between human and Wraith Bug DNA, that evolution would have taken several million years, so it does fill in the blanks between the arrival of the Ancients in Pegasus and the start of the Wraith offensive... The Wraith would have been slowly evolving and advancing themselves to a point where they could take on the Ancients...

Oh... and this episode was good, The Seige is going to rock!

fair_nymph
January 18th, 2005, 06:02 PM
I loved this episode. I guess I am one of the few who didn't really like LFP all that much. Don't take my words the wrong way, as I have adored every episode so far, but LFP ranked rather lowly compared to several other episodes.

I was happy to see Teyla get some character development. I've never really felt one way or the other about her simply because she wasn't really there...now she is much more so. I like her bolder side.

As a biologist I actually didn't find the bug + human = wraith evolution theory all that crazy. It seems reasonably possible, and I find it a very fascinating concept. And I got all happy for Beckett, for being most likely right about his hunch.

I enjoy episodes where we learn alot about the wraith and ancient history tremendously. I can't wait for more of this soon! :)

corn
January 18th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Hello everyone,


The only way i can see this episode making sense is if the ancients left the galaxy and then returned. Otherwise why would the wraith have been asleep, unless they wiped out all their food source and needed it to be replenished. I dont think that would have been allowed to happen, after watching sanctuary.


Also, why would the wriath just let Taylas ancestors go and breed instead of just killing them if they posed sucha threat.

Calicto
January 18th, 2005, 06:31 PM
There are two possibilities of Wraith Origin:
1. Wraith were purposely created by Ancients
2. Wraith were accidently created by Ancients

Scenario 1:
Remember Blade 2 people? That is the only way, in my opinion, SGA can redeem itself. In Blade 2, Nomak was the "prodigal son" of the vampire guy. If the Wraith can be played along as "children of Ancients", it would be extremely cool.

Imagine Scene (very much like Blade 2):

First Wraith: Your prodigal son has returned...
Ancient Scientist: Impossible. I have no relationships with you. You are merely a creation.
First Wraith: Father, why do you defy me?
Ancient Scientist: *Tries to Disable Wraith* *Wraith easily evades all forms of defence*
First Wraith: *reluctantly, species instinct takes over and he begins to feed upon his creator while probing his mind for technology information*

He runs off into the wilderness and his species somehow continue w/o Ancients.

This way, the other Ancients wouldnt know of the Wraith. The Wraith can match their technology as well.

Scenario 2:
Ancients accidently create a reaction in which a predatorial form of the Wraith is created between Bug & Human. The Predator Wraith begins to evolve into a Sophisticated Wraith, that without surveillence, grows and thrives as a predator. The Ancients, by this time have left the Pegasus for the first time. The Wraith strike out with an organic type technology that becomes undetected by the Ancients. The Wraith fall asleep after a culling. The Ancients arrive back in the Pegasus and accidently find the Wraith. (Ancients upgrade detection) The Wraith attack them and eventually win.

I like both Scenarios. The First seems much more cooler. *crosses fingers*

FrankGuthrie
January 18th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Alright so far, what have we got:

- Teyla is half a Wraith :eek:
- Sheppard is half Ancient (well ancient gene) ;)
- Ford is going to be a supersoldier

What is going to happen to the rest?

Calicto
January 18th, 2005, 06:35 PM
That doctor chick was hot. They have had a lot of attractive women on this show so far...

It's part of the job description of going to Atlantis:

-Explore uncharted areas of the Pegasus Galaxy
-Fascinate with unknown Ancient technology
-Meet exotic women
-Go where mankind (of Earth) has never gone before
-Meet exotic women

9-Chevron
January 18th, 2005, 06:56 PM
well can i say about this ep well it was good the thing with teyla and the wraith but.

THERE IS ALWAYS A BUT. The conversation about the wraith's creation dont fit the plot on episode 1 is clear that the wraith was there as they are now here is wat the lady hologram said :"Then one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own"
saying that this enemy was already there as it is

Positively Kanyon
January 18th, 2005, 07:58 PM
THERE IS ALWAYS A BUT. The conversation about the wraith's creation dont fit the plot on episode 1 is clear that the wraith was there as they are now here is wat the lady hologram said :"Then one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own"
saying that this enemy was already there as it is

The Ancients could have lied... to cover their own asses cause they screwed up?

Soforizo
January 18th, 2005, 08:39 PM
The conversation about the wraith's creation dont fit the plot on episode 1 is clear that the wraith was there as they are now here is wat the lady hologram said :"Then one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own"
saying that this enemy was already there as it is

Chev,

A "dark world" is not the equivalent of saying a "dark galaxy". It is very likely, that the "dark world" where the Ancients encountered the Wraith, was the world where the bug-man evolved. When the ancients set foot on that world, they encountered the sleeping enemy.

Buzz Lightyear
January 18th, 2005, 08:42 PM
The only way i can see this episode making sense is if the ancients left the galaxy and then returned. Otherwise why would the wraith have been asleep, unless they wiped out all their food source and needed it to be replenished. I dont think that would have been allowed to happen, after watching sanctuary.

Also, why would the wriath just let Taylas ancestors go and breed instead of just killing them if they posed sucha threat.

The galaxy's a big place and it's likely the Ancients were relatively few in number. Besides, they don't seem like the micro-managing type. They seed the habitable planets with human life and let them develop on their own.

I also don't think we've been told the entire story of the Wraith origins.

As for Teyla's ancestors, the Wraith didn't know any had survived since they had been ostracized from their own villages.

Stargate Agent
January 18th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Who cares. The Seige part 1 is next week and I am gonna squeal like a little girl when it airs.

corn
January 18th, 2005, 09:04 PM
The galaxy's a big place and it's likely the Ancients were relatively few in number. Besides, they don't seem like the micro-managing type. They seed the habitable planets with human life and let them develop on their own.

I also don't think we've been told the entire story of the Wraith origins.

As for Teyla's ancestors, the Wraith didn't know any had survived since they had been ostracized from their own villages.


I meant why did the scientist wraith let the initial humans with the wraith gene leave without just killing them. Its very unwraith like.

The seeded humans seem to all know how to use the stargate. Once these humans began being attacked on mass, the stories of the wraith would have spread across the galaxy and eventually the ancients must have found out about their existence. Also, i always assumed the wraith slept because their food ran out or would run out. So unless they ate all the people in the galaxy they would have kept eating meaning eventually everyone would know of them before they had their sleep and so their existence wouldnt be a surprise.

DetriusXii
January 18th, 2005, 09:11 PM
I too had figured that the Wraith pre-dated the Ancients' arrival in Pegasus. As McKay said, it was most likely negligence on the Ancients' part that allowed the Wraith to grow. And the Ancients were arrogant. By the time they recognized the Wraith as a threat, it was already too late.

Reminds me of the Tollan.

Correct me if I'm wrong but why would the Wraith need the Atlantis gate specifically to dial to Earth? If the Earth humans and the Asgard (always love bringing in the Asgard even on pure speculation) could create their own dialing mechanism that allows 8 addresses, shouldn't the Wraith be capable of doing the same thing? I thought the control module was just a hack to allow the gate to accept 8 addresses and that any other technology could hack a gate aswell.

fair_nymph
January 18th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Perhaps the Wraith were asleep because by the time they have evolved into Wraith there were no humans on the planet, and thus the Wraith had to feed on animals etc which did not provide enough life force to keep them awake -- i.e. they could barely stay alive/had to always hibernate because of lack of a good food source. And perhaps they were not aware that humans even existed until the ancients came to their planet and awakened them.

DetriusXii
January 18th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Also, explaining the Wraith origins thing. What if all members of the alliance were evolutionary offshoots of the Ancients prior to Pegasus Ancients. Perhaps the Ancients have even more backhistory than being wiped out by a plague and decided to spread out into Ida, wherever the Nox & Furlings were from, and the Wraith. The Ancient colony that arrives in Pegasus becomes consumed by the insects. The Ancient colony that arrives in Ida is a cult devoted to cloning and becomes the Asgard leading to their current predicament. The Ancients that believe in pacifism become the Nox and the Ancients that believe in never appearing in the universe become the Furlings :-).

The alliance of four races could then be explained because of the common Ancient linkage between the four races against some previous threat to their common ancestor.

If the Ancients existed for a very long time, even evolution should have affected them. If we continue to exist for a long period of time, even our present human form will fade out of existence replaced by something different.

And then a second Ancient colony arrives in Pegasus stumble upon the Wraith-Ancients.

xie1013
January 18th, 2005, 09:25 PM
I dont like the fact that the Wraith are a cross between Ancient & Bug. That's not fun. But Wraith pschologically connected mind is definitely cool.

Then what happens to the thing that Mela (sp?) said in the Rising Pt. 1 of how they stumbled upon an enemy...

I thought they each said it was a theory? Good theory, though. Maybe the Ancients weren't aware of what was happening on that particular planet until hundreds of thousands of years later.

xie1013
January 18th, 2005, 09:41 PM
Reminds me of the Tollan.

Correct me if I'm wrong but why would the Wraith need the Atlantis gate specifically to dial to Earth? If the Earth humans and the Asgard (always love bringing in the Asgard even on pure speculation) could create their own dialing mechanism that allows 8 addresses, shouldn't the Wraith be capable of doing the same thing? I thought the control module was just a hack to allow the gate to accept 8 addresses and that any other technology could hack a gate aswell.

I got the impression that they're coming to Atlantis because they don't know where Earth is.

Blend
January 18th, 2005, 10:04 PM
To everyone about the wraith evolution.

take into account these things:

-The ancients were in the Pegasus Galaxy for A long time (Million/s of years)
-The Wraith would have evolved as a direct result to something the ancients did (Intentionally or otherwise, we dont know yet
-It is extremly possible that the wraith evolved while the ancients were there. Look at human evolution. It took nowhere near a million years, and the majority of our advancements have come in 100-300 years.

This clearly alot up for me, and makes all the timelines make complete sense

1. 4 Great Races
2. Ancents Leave for Pegasus
3. Ancients Seed Life in Pegasus
4. Wraith evolve without Ancients Knowedge
5. Ancients discover wraith oto late
6. Wraith defeat the Ancients (sheer numbers)
7. Ancients sink city
8. Ancients return to earth 10,00 years ago


(i put the alliance beforehand because in the 5th race the asgard say the ancients moved on a millenia ago.. and if the alliance was created after they came back then he wouldnt have said that)

Major Tyler
January 19th, 2005, 12:16 AM
Now this is how you develop a character!! Please, please make at least one episode of this caliber for Aiden!

Animaniac
January 19th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Okay, the idea of super-insects and primative Humans evolving to become the Wraith is ridiculous. I can suspend my disbelief as long as anyone else, but this just fundamentally doesn't make sense. Also, the Ancients must have really been phoning it in, asleep at the wheel, etc. if they didn't see the Wraith multiply in number, begin using Humans and Ancients as a food source, rise as a civilization, and develop ships and technology that rivaled the Ancients. Not to mention this doesn't even jive with what the hologram lady said the first two episodes...

lordvader
January 19th, 2005, 01:48 AM
(i put the alliance beforehand because in the 5th race the asgard say the ancients moved on a millenia ago.. and if the alliance was created after they came back then he wouldnt have said that)

Not necessarily ...
Moved on could mean ascension, or moving on from this realm of being. The alliance was more likely after the return to Earth, as the Asgard probably wouldn't have existed millions of years ago when the Ancients were on Earth (isn't their civilisation only 30,000 years old? That would put them in the right timeline for the alliance ...)

Mio
January 19th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Okay, the idea of super-insects and primative Humans evolving to become the Wraith is ridiculous. I can suspend my disbelief as long as anyone else, but this just fundamentally doesn't make sense. Also, the Ancients must have really been phoning it in, asleep at the wheel, etc. if they didn't see the Wraith multiply in number, begin using Humans and Ancients as a food source, rise as a civilization, and develop ships and technology that rivaled the Ancients. Not to mention this doesn't even jive with what the hologram lady said the first two episodes...

I'm not that fond of it either. However,

The entire Wraith Species had to have spent their entire existance (2+ million years) hiding from the Ancients, growing in numbers, and developing technologically.

Mio
January 19th, 2005, 02:56 AM
I think the Ancients are only a few million years old, So I doubt they have been around for that long a time...

Based on what we know from SG1, It's probably that the ancients are could be as old as 50 million years old.

They only left for Pegasus 5-10 million years ago.


JACKSON: I've figured the ancients packed up their entire city somewhere between five and ten million years ago.

Ohper
January 19th, 2005, 03:24 AM
THERE IS ALWAYS A BUT. The conversation about the wraith's creation dont fit the plot on episode 1 is clear that the wraith was there as they are now here is wat the lady hologram said :"Then one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own"
saying that this enemy was already there as it is

The easiest way to explain that is:

- Ancients seed the world with the bugs
- The bugs evolve, master the Gate system
- They go to a world on the outskirts of Pegasus
- The Ancients later "set foot" upon that world

There's other possible variations, but you get the idea ;)

Purpleyin
January 19th, 2005, 04:46 AM
Alright so far, what have we got:

- Teyla is half a Wraith :eek:
- Sheppard is half Ancient (well ancient gene) ;)
- Ford is going to be a supersoldier

What is going to happen to the rest?

Well McKay is a genius already
Weir seems to be good with ancient and wraith languages and can become super diplomat.
Carson...hmm.. maybe he'll get a nobel prize for his gene therapy in the future when all is revealed to the world?

aschen
January 19th, 2005, 06:05 AM
That was an...interesting episode. To say the least.

Kazan
January 19th, 2005, 06:38 AM
I really enjoyed The Gift. There was a lot going on and real development of the general plot and characters. Thought the story and the writing were good. Not been a great fan of Teyla / RL up til now but then again I don't think the writers have given her much to get her teeth into til now. It was finally good to see some real devleopment of the character and I thought RL did ok with it.

General points / thoughts
1) Poor Ford / RSF, still no real development. Might just be me but I thought the crack about "little? Little what...." was silly. Made him out to be some immature schoolboy. The guys an officer in the forces. I just think that he'd be a lot more mature than that so it just didn't track with how I would think an officer would be. (I'm sure there is some form of screening to weed out the undesirables/immature before they get commissioned)
2) I loved that Weir was actually more integral to doing things in the plot ie the translation of the Wraith data. Normally shes the one asking others to do the actually work and I thought it was good that she got more involved. Have her linguistic skills ever been referred before?
3) I think this may just be my take on it, but when Teyla attacks them in the infirmary, she seems to lash out and knock everyone else over except Weir. Weir kept backing away and it just looked to me like Teyla was actually trying to get specifically at/ to Weir.
4) Likewise, at the end, when Teyla said "they know about you", it also seemed very specific like she was looking / talking directly at Weir. As I say, could just be me seeing something that isn't there but just my take on it. Had me wondering if there is some kind of plot twist to come - perhaps linked to Weirs time travel / ancient story line?

Just my 2 cents

Hatcheter
January 19th, 2005, 06:48 AM
To everyone about the wraith evolution.

take into account these things:

-The ancients were in the Pegasus Galaxy for A long time (Million/s of years)
-The Wraith would have evolved as a direct result to something the ancients did (Intentionally or otherwise, we dont know yet
-It is extremly possible that the wraith evolved while the ancients were there. Look at human evolution. It took nowhere near a million years, and the majority of our advancements have come in 100-300 years.

This clearly alot up for me, and makes all the timelines make complete sense

1. 4 Great Races
2. Ancents Leave for Pegasus
3. Ancients Seed Life in Pegasus
4. Wraith evolve without Ancients Knowedge
5. Ancients discover wraith oto late
6. Wraith defeat the Ancients (sheer numbers)
7. Ancients sink city
8. Ancients return to earth 10,00 years ago


(i put the alliance beforehand because in the 5th race the asgard say the ancients moved on a millenia ago.. and if the alliance was created after they came back then he wouldnt have said that)

I think the Alliance was before the Ancients left for Pegasus, too, but that's neither here nor there.

This episode answers one question, and raises a whole lot more. Which is good TV, if you ask me.

Just a few questions I have:

How long did the Wraith's evolution take?
When did the Ancients get to Pegasus, and what level of evolution was humanity at when they were "seeded"?
Did the Ancients just not notice that evolution on one world had taken a significantly different path?
When they found out, did they initially treat the Wraith as a science project?
How did the Wraith gain technological equality with the Ancients?
How did the war begin, and progress?
Were the Ancients so confident in their safety that they had no weapons, prompting an arms race that they ultimately lost?

Okay, that's a bunch of questions. :rolleyes:

It took eighteen episodes just to get this bit of info; who knows how long TPTB will take to spoon feed us the rest of the story. Let's hope it doesn't take so long to get at least one more answer on this subject.

KayMan2k
January 19th, 2005, 06:57 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but why would the Wraith need the Atlantis gate specifically to dial to Earth?

I was thinking the same thing, but perhaps the Wraith are not seeking the Atlantis Stargate itself, but rather the address of Earth. The keeper was able to determine that the planet existed but didn't appear as if she knew the exact coordinates.

Even if they have to kill everyone in Atlantis, the address for Earth is stored somewhere in the Ancient database or our own computers/PDAs. Besides, once they have the address they are likely to travel by ship.

Lightning
January 19th, 2005, 09:21 AM
they need the special control crystal you see in "home" without that plugged into a DHD none of the pegasus stargates can dial the Milky Way galaxy, kinda like an ancient safeguard

Harlan
January 19th, 2005, 09:34 AM
Am I the first to notice the cameo of Bruce Woloshyn ?
(the Stargate Digital Effects Superviser from Rainmaker)

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4583/woloshyn20gt.jpg

I saw 'The Gift' today, and I said "Hey, I know this guy !"
Because I have seen him yesterday, in a featurette about the SG-1 Special Effects,
called "Stargate Magic : Inside the Lab", on the Lost City DVD (Region 2, Volume 37).

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4181/woloshyn1xa.jpg

Dimeron
January 19th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Hello everyone,


The only way i can see this episode making sense is if the ancients left the galaxy and then returned. Otherwise why would the wraith have been asleep, unless they wiped out all their food source and needed it to be replenished. I dont think that would have been allowed to happen, after watching sanctuary.


Also, why would the wriath just let Taylas ancestors go and breed instead of just killing them if they posed sucha threat.

Well, we still have to see, in the future seasons, I have a feeling they are going to stumble upon the wraith cradle/home world, so to speak. Then we get to find out how wraith evolved. It could be natural, rogue-ancients, or those guys that made the human killing nano-virus. if it is the latter two, it would also explain their huge technological jump.

For your second question, it is explained, the rogue scientist believed that if the wraith/humans were able to interbreed with other humans, the psychic ability will gradually weaken. So he let them loose so he can check out their descendents. Unfortunately for him, he was caught by other wraith(and presumably cannibalized), the wraith/humans are killed, but not before a few run off.

Ugly Pig
January 19th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Look...


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'The Gift'

I knew it!! I knew that it would turn out the Ancients had accidentally initiated the Wraith evolution by getting their "human seeding" mixed up with the Wraith bug. I don't remember when, but I know I said I believed that to have been the case some time before we got the spoilers for this episode. Hah! It's great to be right! :D

I know some will say this contradicts established canon because the Ancient hologram in 'Rising' said they stumbled upon a sleeping enemy, but it doesn't. Think about it, the Ancients seeded planets probably by the hundreds. They probably just initiated human evolution, then moved on and let nature run its course... They never knew what happened on whatever particular planet this mishap took place, and then millions of years later... they stumbled upon the Wraith. Just like the hologram lady said.

Sooo... this episode was creepy. From beginning to end. And as the impending Wraith attack draws ever closer, we learn a few important things. One, what I already discussed - the Wraith evolved because of the Ancients (this, by the way, also explains why we've never been told what they fed upon before the Ancients arrived in Pegasus: Nothing, because they didn't exist). Also, their written language is based on that of the Ancients. Two, the Wraith can communicate telepathically. Okay... that's creepy, but I guess we already kind of knew that since the death of the caretaker awoke the others. Three, Teyla has parts Wraith DNA and is able to not only sense them but can also tap in to their telepathic "network"... and in doing so, become controlled by them.

And four... There is not enough human life in Pegasus to sustain the entire Wraith population, which is why they desperately need to find out where Earth and the Milky Way are. This is why they're coming to Atlantis... it's not just to feed. Looks like we may all be in big trouble soon...

Random observations!
- The Wraith stunner is the Atlantis version of a Zat gun.
- What's with the dirty look Sheppard shot Bates after he'd stunned the Wraith-posessed Teyla? Surely, that was the best course of action?
- Poor Ford. No one appreciates his humor. Not even me.
- Dr. Ego Guy appears again (Boo! Hiss!). This is his third appearance. Can he die when the Wraith come? Please? (Hey, I'm supposed to dislike him, right? And someone will probably have to die, so it might as well be him.)
- No new Czech dialogue for Zelenka fans this week. He did get to insult McKay, though.
- I wonder if the "Teyla's HOT!!" crowd will think she's hot in Wraith make-up? :)

An appropriately tense episode, further building towards what looks like it may be a heck of climax at the end of the season (which is obviously right around the corner now). I can't wait for next week...

Harlan
January 19th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Random observations!
- The Wraith stunner is the Atlantis version of a Zat gun.
But you can shoot several times with the Wraith stunner without killing ;) .
** Harlan's pointless word - Sorry ^^

Ugly Pig
January 19th, 2005, 02:49 PM
Is that true? I thought McKay just made that up to hide the fact that he is seeing a shrink.
My thoughts exactly!

Ugly Pig
January 19th, 2005, 02:54 PM
Alright so far, what have we got:

- Teyla is half a Wraith :eek:
- Sheppard is half Ancient (well ancient gene) ;)
- Ford is going to be <snip>
You know, it'd be nice if you used a
SPOILER WARNING!
when talking about episodes that haven't even been shot yet!

Major Tyler
January 19th, 2005, 03:09 PM
What's with the charcoal uniform with the blue panels McKay is sporting? Maybe he wanted to look more badass like Aiden and Sheppard. :D

corn
January 19th, 2005, 04:02 PM
For your second question, it is explained, the rogue scientist believed that if the wraith/humans were able to interbreed with other humans, the psychic ability will gradually weaken. So he let them loose so he can check out their descendents. Unfortunately for him, he was caught by other wraith(and presumably cannibalized), the wraith/humans are killed, but not before a few run off.

I understand why he let them go. But wouldnt a more efficient way to weaken their psychic powers be to kill them before they were let go? He is a wraith after all he could have just ate them.

aschen
January 19th, 2005, 04:05 PM
I really liked how they incorporated that bit about Earth into this ep.

Like Stargate Agent says, most of these eps suffer from budget depletion, but an interesting psychological plot and good acting more than makes up for it! :D

"You are all so pitiful..." :D

It never ceases to amaze me that the creators conjured up a race as cocky as the Goa'uld.

What we learned from this episdoe:
If you're going to use an inter-galactic series of teleportation device to transplant humans in another galaxy, it may be a good idea to scope out the general native inhabitants before doing so. :)

Im_just_guessing
January 19th, 2005, 04:34 PM
I originally did not like Atlantis at all, but thought maybe it would get better over time, and in the last couple of episodes, it seemed to be getting better.




And then this thing came along...does anyone else thinks this episode is right down there with "Hide and Seek"?

Stargate Agent
January 19th, 2005, 05:28 PM
In regards to how first seasons go for most shows Atlantis is having a great year.
I have seen Battlestar Gallaticas first season and it stinks, the first episode was great but it was all downhill from there.

The Gift wasn't like Hide and Seek. I can see you your saying tho because Hide and Seek was after Rising which took a lot of money so Hide and Seek would suffer slightly and The Gift is right before the Seige...

In regards to the Wraith not knowing the Earth address. I wouldn't think they would need to goto Atlantis actually get to earth. I mean come on they have hyperspace capable ships. Prometheus was gonna goto Atlantis through space in Prometheus Unbound although someting else came up...

The wraith just need earth's address...
5 days till the Seige OOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAH

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
January 19th, 2005, 05:41 PM
I'm glad we got a Teyla episode. Too bad there wasn't enough about her or that RL was a bit blander than she should have been. We get to know a little more about her but not yet enough to actually like her or get to know her personality better.

EllieVee
January 19th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Just a little thing I noticed about the nightmares,
the Wraith in Teyla's nightmare is infact the Wraith that infiltrates Atlantis in The Siege.

I think that's the standard Wraith actor. Same guy who played the Wraith in the Defiant One and Poisoning the Well.

Dimeron
January 19th, 2005, 08:52 PM
I understand why he let them go. But wouldnt a more efficient way to weaken their psychic powers be to kill them before they were let go? He is a wraith after all he could have just ate them.


I would imagine, as a rogue, he would need to do things quietly, and his resources are probably limited as well. So he might not had the resource available or artificially create their descendents or block out their psychic abilities.

And eating his experimental subjects are kinda counter productive, no?

corn
January 19th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I would imagine, as a rogue, he would need to do things quietly, and his resources are probably limited as well. So he might not had the resource available or artificially create their descendents or block out their psychic abilities.

And eating his experimental subjects are kinda counter productive, no?

It was a failed experiment. Nothing productive was still to come out of it. The intention of letting them go is that it was hoped they would breed out there mutation and become like everyone else. Also, he was trying to hide the experiment, what better way is there to hide something tahn to destroy it.

Easter Lily
January 19th, 2005, 10:05 PM
An illuminating episode if not a tad creepy...
A connection between the Ancients and the Wraith... finally some substance to a lot of theorizing. Certainly leaves the door wide open for a lot more theorizing. "Flawed Ancients" are definitely a lot more interesting than "all powerful Ancients". Nice explanation of why some Athosians (including Teyla) can sense the Wraith... Interesting too that there are lots of rogue scientists roaming around the galaxies conducting Mengele type experiments.

A nice Ford/Teyla moment... brief though it was... just realized that they don't get too many moments interacting with each other.

Some really good Weir moments too. She does look less jaded with a thicker application of eyeliner... it softens the iron maiden facade too. I'm glad they finally used her linguistic abilities... she's been too busy putting out fires (figuratively) from the word "go".

I'm with Capt Chris regarding Teyla... the girls just doesn't do anything for me still. Maybe she never will... maybe she just needs a hair cut...

Sheppard's looking good with those sticks... he's no Jet Li but it'll do... There's a darkside to the Major emerging... could be very interesting.

The control chair... yes, yes, yes... very suggestive of things to come, won't you say? Exciting times ahead... *now wondering if we'll have a end of season cliffhanger*
Who in Atlantis is Dr Kusanagi... the cute Japanese girl from the previous episode?? Obviously he or she has the ancient gene...

Atlantis is just full of surprises...

Ohper
January 20th, 2005, 03:50 PM
The intention of letting them go is that it was hoped they would breed out there mutation and become like everyone else. Also, he was trying to hide the experiment, what better way is there to hide something tahn to destroy it.

That's what the show said, and I know we'll never come back to this, but still... isn't that a little humane for a Wraith? I would've just sucked 'em down, problem solved. ;)

9-Chevron
January 20th, 2005, 07:04 PM
The Ancients could have lied... to cover their own asses cause they screwed up?
LOL

If the producer come with that excuse it will suck

UnknownJ
January 20th, 2005, 07:52 PM
That's what the show said, and I know we'll never come back to this, but still... isn't that a little humane for a Wraith? I would've just sucked 'em down, problem solved. ;)

I think their intention was that the telepathy was bred out, but the tastiness / efficiency wasn't...

9-Chevron
January 20th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Chev,

A "dark world" is not the equivalent of saying a "dark galaxy". It is very likely, that the "dark world" where the Ancients encountered the Wraith, was the world where the bug-man evolved. When the ancients set foot on that world, they encountered the sleeping enemy.

Ok let me explain it to you in slow motion :

1. The ancients came to pegasus galaxy bringing humans with them and started seeding the worlds, in other words there was no human life form in pegasus, let me quote the holo lady: "…In the hope of spreading new life in a galaxy where there appeared to be none. Soon, the new life grew and prospered, Here,as before, we built a system of Stargates, so that fledgling civilizations could travel between the stars, exchanging knowledge and friendship. In time, a thousand worlds bore the fruit of life in this form.Then one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own. In our overconfidence we weren’t prepared, and outnumbered. The enemy fed upon the defenseless human worlds like a great scourge" . When she said "appeared to be none." she says they thought there was none but there was .. THE WRAITH.
In this one "Soon, the new life grew and prospered" she talks about the humans "In time, a thousand worlds bore the fruit of life in this form" humans again, "one day our people step foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept" in this one we know she is talking about the wraith but the fact she says "slept" means that this enemy wasnt around or awake not at least until they step foot in this dark world wich kind of implies that they might be part responsible for the wraith awaking but not for the wraith creation , "Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own" in this one I personaly think she talks about their healing powers not their technology ( watch before I sleep) the coment about the wraith no being a match to ancient ships one on one.

and second I' will quote your post

2. "they encountered the sleeping enemy"

9-Chevron
January 20th, 2005, 08:31 PM
The easiest way to explain that is:

- Ancients seed the world with the bugs
- The bugs evolve, master the Gate system
- They go to a world on the outskirts of Pegasus
- The Ancients later "set foot" upon that world

There's other possible variations, but you get the idea ;)

It can make sence but
once the holo lady says : "The enemy fed upon the defenseless human worlds like a great scourge" also the whole episode of sanctuary they state that humans and ancient are different similar yes but different.

then the whole seeding with bugs makes no sence

9-Chevron
January 20th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Look...

I knew it!! I knew that it would turn out the Ancients had accidentally initiated the Wraith evolution by getting their "human seeding" mixed up with the Wraith bug. I don't remember when, but I know I said I believed that to have been the case some time before we got the spoilers for this episode. Hah! It's great to be right! :D

I know some will say this contradicts established canon because the Ancient hologram in 'Rising' said they stumbled upon a sleeping enemy, but it doesn't. Think about it, the Ancients seeded planets probably by the hundreds. They probably just initiated human evolution, then moved on and let nature run its course... They never knew what happened on whatever particular planet this mishap took place, and then millions of years later... they stumbled upon the Wraith. Just like the hologram lady said.

Makes sence until the holo lady says: "The enemy fed upon the defenseless human worlds like a great scourge"
1. why didnt they fed before ?
2. the galaxy is huge and the ancients were seeding a lot of worlds before they got this "dark world".
3. How can you say "They never knew what happened on whatever particular planet this mishap took place" when the holo says :"Soon, the new life grew and prospered" is clear they were checking progress in the human planets .

O and dont say that the wraith writing is derivative of ancient because thats new and for it being doesnt mean it covers the hole in ep 1 cause they are making this up now

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 21st, 2005, 06:20 AM
Good and interesting episode.

I learned that the fear and loathing of psychiatry is universal. "/

That some insect bites cause more than just a rash. :rolleyes:

That if you give an insect opposable thumbs they will conquer the galaxy. :eek:

Seriously, though, I love the idea of an insect species advancing so frighteningly fast (evolutionarily speaking). As "mindless, unintelligent bugs" they are already the most organised and resilient species on this planet. I think that of all the creatures the PTB could have emulated, insects scare us the most. Well, they scare me the most, anyways.

I do wonder how the heck the first Wraith babies - or, make that swarm? were conceived, survived and thrived. I also wonder if these Pegasus bugs are related to the big honkin' bugs in MW galaxy(Bane).

Great stuff from my fav secondary character, Bates! Loved his angryness! And his "Told ya, didn't I? It's a good thing somebody remembers protocol. What would you do without me watching your sixes." look.

Loved Zelenka, telling MacKay he wasn't getting to the point quickly enough, giving him a taste of his own medicine. :p

Since I'm not letting myself get spoiled for the eps, I was sure that the Wraith in the opening scene was the scout from The Brotherhood. All the way through to the end I was expecting they'd discover that it was the scout's presence that had awakened Teyla's increased sensitivity. I'm still hoping that it is the case.

This is the type of ep that spoilers ruin, IMO. Not knowing made the whole ep just a little more edge-of-my-seat for me.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 21st, 2005, 06:39 AM
The more odd thing is that all their tech is organic. I wonder how they they... grow it?

Sorry if this has already been speculated upon. I'm posting as I read instead of slogging through 100+ posts and trying to remember what I wanted to say. :D

The Wraith hive society and their darts put me very much in mind of hornets. Hornets, as we know make their technologies - paper hives that can house thousands of their kind is advanced tech, AFAIC. Spiders grow their own webs - which have a far greater tensile strength than steel cable of similar weights. Bees make honeycomb structures as well as various types of honeys.

However, wondrous as insect constructs are, they never vary from the norm. This is where the addition of human flexibility and imagination come in.

It may also explain why the wraith have "teeth." They may actually, like hornets and bees, chew raw materials and excrete them through the mouth, thus building ships and stuff. Could you imagine a species that could do such a thing? :eek: <shudders incontrollably>

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 21st, 2005, 06:54 AM
I knew it!! I knew that it would turn out the Ancients had accidentally initiated the Wraith evolution by getting their "human seeding" mixed up with the Wraith bug.

So... is this what the future holds for us? Will our bio genetic engineering give us potatoes that will one day take over the world? :eek:

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 21st, 2005, 06:59 AM
That's what the show said, and I know we'll never come back to this, but still... isn't that a little humane for a Wraith? I would've just sucked 'em down, problem solved. ;)

Maybe he did suck down a bunch and then just got too full. :p

Wass
January 21st, 2005, 07:07 AM
After watch this episode it managed to answer one of my questions which was didn’t the ancients do something about the wraith once they were ascended and the reason IMO is because they feel partly responsible for the creation of the wraith therefore they wont wipe out one species to protect another spices.

prion
January 21st, 2005, 09:30 AM
So... is this what the future holds for us? Will our bio genetic engineering give us potatoes that will one day take over the world? :eek:

I'd be more worried about killer tofu. Tons of GM in that! :eek:

Anyway, interesting that the Ancients just managed to screw up and accidentally create the Wraith. Makes you wonder if that bug that bit poor Shep on the neck will have any repercussions down the road (although someone has already written a great piece of fanfic dealing with that situation).

Overall, great episode. Teyla was very good in it; finally, some characterization for the poor woman!

Buzz Lightyear
January 21st, 2005, 07:21 PM
So... is this what the future holds for us? Will our bio genetic engineering give us potatoes that will one day take over the world? :eek:

What? Didn't you know? Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head (and their numerous clones) have already infiltrated our world via our children's toyboxes. ;)

ShadowMaat
January 21st, 2005, 08:00 PM
Just wanted to chime in on the McKay/Heitmeyer thing.

I know there was a "spoiler" a while back that said McKay was dating the base shrink, but not all spoilers are completely accurate. I know I found the spoiler insane at the time and now that I can put the comments in context I think it's FAR more likely that McKay was lying through his teeth.

Admitting that you need therapy is perceived as a sign of weakness. At the very least it might cause people to question your sanity/worthiness for a given job. McKay would NEVER admit to such a thing. Hunger, yes, but crazy? No way. ;)

Heitmeyer is blonde, intelligent and, from the perspective of McKay, probably pretty hot. Dating someone like her would be a real ego boost and might improve people's opinions/estimations of him.

If you ask me, he was BS'ing the whole thing. The fact that it was Teyla who "caught" him (another "hot" chick) only strengthens the possibility, IMO. He'd have lied regardless, but admitting to a girl that you're weak is even worse.

Either that or I've read McKay completely wrong...

Easter Lily
January 21st, 2005, 08:23 PM
No, I think you're right... he looked pretty embarassed to me... he was prevaricating up to his eyeballs. Liar, liar pants on fire... *Sigh* I just love Rodney... ;)

Chevron_nine
January 21st, 2005, 09:23 PM
Just watched the ep and I thought it was pretty good. We learned a whole lot of new information about the Wraith. I kinda guessed that their real goal was to get to Earth. One thing has me wondering though, how could a Wraith go rogue to do experiments, wouldn't the other wraith know what he was doing telepathically? Teyla was able to tap into the wraith on the ship, so shouldn't the wraith be able to tap into the rogue?

The whole Bug/Human Wraith development seems plausible. As far as we know the Ancients were not immortal, so it's possible over the generations some of the seeded colonies were forgotten about, or the Ancient decided to let nature take it's course on their seeded planets and left them alone.

Concerning technological development, think about what us, humans have accomplished in the past few hundred years, we've gone from living in cabins/huts and relying on animals for transportation/farming etc. to living in skyscrapers with cars, computers, space shuttles etc. The wraith only needed a few thousand years to get to their technological level.

Concerning the McKay/Therapist relationship I'm 99.99% sure he was just BSing because he didn't want Teyla to know he was visiting a psychiatrist. Why else would he keep the "relationship" a secret up until this point, and then all of a sudden blurt it out. If he was really dating her he would have come up with some other excuse for being there.

Poor Ford, I never really liked the character all that much, but now his lines are getting pathetic. The "you have a little what?, McKay" had me chuckling, but it just seemed really out of place.
season 9 spoilers Although I'm not that fond of Ford I still don't want him to leave in season 9. I hope they do some good character development in the few episodes he guest stars in.

I loved McKay's line to Sheppard when Teyla went through the wall, Maybe you just need to build up some momentum, get a running start:p

h22chen
January 22nd, 2005, 09:57 AM
I bet the Ancients left the Wraith alone because they were "relatives"... until it was too late.

There's no explaination about the super Wraith (that was Blown up by the Jelly Fish of Doom) yet. I think he was one of those "converted" Ancients.

animoid
January 22nd, 2005, 10:54 AM
Finally, a Teyla episode! And Ford got some lines, too. (Unfortunately, most of them were bad.)

We get a few explanations concerning Wraith origin. So the allmighty Ancients forgot to clean up after themselves, eh?
The Wraith. Telepathic bug people. I wonder where the telepathy came from...

I'm not quite sure what to make of Teyla's character development. I can't put my finger on it..if there should have been more, or just different...
The whole "I'm not crazy" rant in the beginning didn't seem to fit. Everyone else could have behaved that way (because of their earthly dislike of shrinks in general), but not Teyla. I mean, her people and their ways are quite simple. Wouldn't she embrace self-exploration and (so to speak) spiritualism instead of assuming everyone is her enemy and run away? Sure, she was scared about the nightmares and she doubted herself - what her father called a gift suddenly seemed to her like an attribute that drives her away from people, makes her different in a bad way.

But, when presented with the opportunity, she decided to help (thereby putting her health in danger). Very Teyla-ish - if there is something characteristic about her, it's her desire to help others, to fight for their welfare. Other than that...still not enough. More development, please. She must be interesting enough without those telepathic powers. I don't care for her character, as much as I'd wish to do so. It's not RLs fault, she did in fact a very creepy Wraith impression, but I get the feeling Teyla is just not written very convincing ("You have changed." "My hair is shorter.").

Other things:

Weir had something to do, the translations were an excellent opportunity to be useful.
Rodney got himself a fake girlfriend, and I'm sure the good Dr. Kate didn't even know they were seeing "each other" until he said so. Must've felt very embarrassing to be seen there (talking about leadership? :D ).

Bates was the usual Mr. Security Risk, and boy did he annoy me. In a bad way. "We cannot trust her, see, I'll shoot her with my stunner." Sure it was right at the moment, but his soldier routine could turn into serious paranoia one day. He'd better go and see Dr. Kate!

They still have a lot to explore in the city, or what else could be the reason they didn't show that chair before? The chair with the two mad scientists standing nearby, and poor Beckett being guinea pig again. And then there was a sign of extreme relief on Beckett's face when Weir came to the rescue... :D

Still a decent episode, but more like a build-up towards the season finale.

ShadowMaat
January 22nd, 2005, 11:04 AM
It was a big Teyla ep, but I still find her character kinda tedious and uninteresting. Maybe it's the inconsistencies between being Strong Leader and getting all whiney about "Oooo, what'll everyone think of me??" or maybe it isn't anything that concrete, but every time she's onscreen my attention tends to wander.

And you will never convince me that the stick fighting scenes serve any purpose other than showing off the Sexy Alien Female to (assumed) best advantage. Again, I think it's more an example of the fact that the writers are male rather than having anything to do with plot.

Personally, I thought Ford's joke was hysterical. I actually had to pause the vid to finish laughing. Maybe it's just because I like jokes at McKay's expense. ;) It was a great light-hearted moment for Ford's character and humor doesn't always present itself at the most opportune times.

I started off hating Bates in Suspicion, but he was a little more tolerable in Hot Zone (if still a bit annoying) and in Letters from Pegasus I think we gained more insight into his character than we are likely to see again. It changed my whole outlook on him and I've ended up really liking him. So while he still came across as slightly xenophobic in The Gift, I found myself more inclined to agree with him and when he stunned Teyla, I cheered (although, yes, there's also the fact that I don't like her).

So, for me, the Teyla bits of this ep were a waste, but what we learned about the Wraith was most intriguing and I can't wait to see how that all evolves (if you'll pardon the pun).

Buzz Lightyear
January 22nd, 2005, 11:57 AM
Bates was the usual Mr. Security Risk, and boy did he annoy me. In a bad way. "We cannot trust her, see, I'll shoot her with my stunner." Sure it was right at the moment, but his soldier routine could turn into serious paranoia one day. He'd better go and see Dr. Kate!

What paranoia? His instincts have been right every time so far. To him, whether or not Teyla is an enemy collaborator isn't even the issue. The Atlantis expedition really doesn't know very much about anyone from the Pegasus galaxy. If everyone else is so quick to embrace the locals as "long lost cousins", Bates has to remain the voice of caution. It may be through no fault of her own but Teyla HAS been the source of some significant security breaches in Atlantis.

Standback
January 22nd, 2005, 01:05 PM
All in all, a pretty good episode. I enjoyed, and I like the possibilities this opens for Teyla. Hope we see them developed in Season 2.

If Teyla continues to pursue her 'Gift', she could become some kind of psychic warrior against the Wraith. That'd make all kinds of interesting things possible.

Imagine Teyla gathering together other Athosians, similarly gifted. Imagine them training together, learning to use their mental skills, forming a coterie. Imagine them learning to invade the Wraith consciousness undetected, spies in the Wraith's midst. Imagine them being able to posess a Wraith as Teyla was posessed, if only for short (yet crucial) moments. I can see plenty of good storylines coming out of here, not to mention opportunity to see more of the Athosians and throw in another few NPCs- err, I mean, recurring characters - Athosian and Wraith.

As always, I've got no idea if that's the direction this will be taken it. Probably it's not. But if it were, that'd be pretty cool.

Also - YAY! Atlantis scientists discover a Wraith demonstrating a SMALL MEASURE OF INDIVIDUALITY! Experts say this might indicate future storylines in which individual Wraith have some tiny, microscopic iota of CHARACTER! Rejoice!

Easter Lily
January 22nd, 2005, 01:38 PM
The Wraith. Telepathic bug people. I wonder where the telepathy came from...

Aren't the Wraith the equivalent of collective-minded insects? Is it really telepathy that they have or are they just telepathically linked with each other? Like the Replicators or the Borg (Star Trek:TNG)?

animoid
January 23rd, 2005, 06:44 AM
Aren't the Wraith the equivalent of collective-minded insects? Is it really telepathy that they have or are they just telepathically linked with each other? Like the Replicators or the Borg (Star Trek:TNG)?

Makes sense. And as soon as you're linked (like Teyla was), you do what the collective mind wants you to do because you can't sneak around there for long.

Hmm...I just hope they won't invent a Wraith queen.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 23rd, 2005, 07:22 AM
What paranoia? (Bates') instincts have been right every time so far. To him, whether or not Teyla is an enemy collaborator isn't even the issue. The Atlantis expedition really doesn't know very much about anyone from the Pegasus galaxy. If everyone else is so quick to embrace the locals as "long lost cousins", Bates has to remain the voice of caution. It may be through no fault of her own but Teyla HAS been the source of some significant security breaches in Atlantis.

I quite agree. Everyone knew that it was Teyla's connection to the Wraith that gave away the beta site Bates and his men were almost killed scouting out; he was right to voice his strong opposition to Teyla reconnecting, so to speak, because who knew what all else the Wraith would discover?

And did anyone else wonder if Teyla's ardent desire to reconnect might have had more to do with Wraith control, the reawakening of an addiction? (I think of people who are born alcoholic; even though they have never abused alcohol, the very first drink can set them off.) Since Teyla is born with the Wraith gene for telepathy, Bates might have theorized that Teyla felt an overpowering need to connect with the hive.

What I think was telling was the look that Sheppard gave Bates after he stunned the out-of-control and dangerous Teyla. If there was any recrimination in that look, it was self-recrimination. His look said that Bates did the right thing.

For a secondary character, I think that the writers are really developing Bates to be Sheppard's equal and opposite. While Sheppard the military rebel gets things done by bending/breaking the rules, Bates gets things done by adhereing strictly to them. This is a very interesting and equal-handed character situation to develop and I hope that the writers continue. :)

animoid
January 23rd, 2005, 08:21 AM
You know what?
I justed watched the last five minutes of the episode again and I tend to revise my opinion towards your point of view. :) I guess I didn't really pay close attention because I just remembered how his "strictly by the book"-behaviour annoyed me back in "Suspicion". But even then, his attitude was justified up to a certain degree. I just didn't like it so much, but that doesn't make it wrong.

When he took Teyla down, he got an acknowledging nod from both Weir and Sheppard. So it pays to be cautious. Usually not my cup of tea, but then again you could compare the situation to that in "Gemini" where Carter could have used a bit of that Bates spirit.

But nevertheless...caution..paranoia...where's the difference? j/k (!)
:D

ShadowMaat
January 23rd, 2005, 08:41 AM
Like Johnny Fever says, "When they really ARE out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking!" ;)

.Ra.
January 23rd, 2005, 10:49 AM
The Ancients found out a way to become immortal in a way, through ascension. Now I'm not gonna argue if this happened in the Milky Way, Pegasus, Ida or any other galaxy. I want to offer my theory on the Wraith: the Ancients, in their original, corporeal form, were as mortal as their human relatives. Maybe, there were some Ancient scientists looking for a way to get their race rid of aging and death. And that's when they started genetical experiments, basically combining their own DNA with that of the life-sucking insectoids. Because of the questionable character of these experiments, they were being conducted in secrecy, on some isolated planet with no stargate on it. The experiments were a success, as for their primary goal - creating an almost immortal lifeform. However, this brave new race had to keep their life by feeding upon other lifeforms. Very soon, they fed upon their own pitiable creators. When they had no more people to take their life energy from, they decided to ... have a nap.
Time from time, they were awoken by some curious and unfortunate expedition; these occasional food supplies allowed the Wraith to grow in numbers and ... to gain knowledge. When their self-confidence reached a critical point, they started to behave in a more aggressive manner, engaging an arriving spaceship in a battle. At that moment, the Ancients finally found out there may be a problem, but the problem was underestimated. The Wraith were more determined, more cunning, more flexible than the Ancients could imagine at the moment. Since then, the Wraith were always one step ahead of the Ancients. And that's it.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 23rd, 2005, 11:23 AM
I want to offer my theory on the Wraith: the Ancients, in their original, corporeal form, were as mortal as their human relatives. Maybe, there were some Ancient scientists looking for a way to get their race rid of aging and death. And that's when they started genetical experiments, basically combining their own DNA with that of the life-sucking insectoids.

IIIII LIKE it! :p

No, actually, it makes pretty good sense to me; the Ancients-as-humans on Planet Bug(probably known to them as La La Land or something....) may have been close to figuring out ascension or at least tinkering with certain principles of ascension.

Perhaps, as in the case of certain rogue Ancients/Wraith (various eps in SG-1 and Atlantis) these guys were secretly studying ascension with the native bug population(for whatever reason). Since ascension is an energy thing, the experimental subjects would have some connection to energy as well - unfortunately, that connection became one of literal energy consumption. :eek:

The experiments turned on their makers and the local population for food; thus, no word of this spread to other worlds, and the next wave of visiting Ancients to La La Land "awakened a sleeping enemy."

<nods> yeah, I can see this happening.

Liv
January 23rd, 2005, 12:57 PM
Yet another great episode and some good insights into Teyla's character. About time too. :p I didn't expect her to have Wraith DNA, but I was spoiled for her being able to in some ways connect to them.

I thought it was a bit funny that the opening shot - of the the two people in the Gate Room - showed them looking quite bored, instead of anxious and nervous. Sort of a "Would the Wraith just hurry up and GET here already so things can start happening!" feel to it. ;)

Loved the shots of McKay looking into his empty coffe mug and the poster of Johnny Cash over Sheppard's bed. (Which, btw, was NOT up on the wall in the last episode. Yes, that's very important info. :p )

Nice bit of continuity with the stick fighting too. It didn't feel like a flirty or shippy or even gratuitous scene to me (nor did it feel like that in Hot Zone), and I'm grateful for that. Good way of showing us how Teyla's lack of sleep was getting to her.

Zelenka. Love him. And love the banter between him and McKay.

McKay: "I was going to say that."
Zelenka: "Yes, but you were taking too long. As usual."
-
McKay: "You've gotta be kidding me!"
Zelenka: "Pay up."

And I definitely agree with those who say that McKay is NOT dating Heightmeyer. It was pretty obvious to me that he was lying about the whole thing. It was hilarious to watch him try and decide which way he was going, in the background, when Teyla was about to go into Heightmeyer's office. :D

Liked that Weir got to use her linguistic skills here; but the idea of a Wraith writing down things in a journal-like way amused me some, I must admit. ;)

Liked the conflict that Bates, once again, provided. And I kept wondering why they didn't take any more precautions when Teyla connected with the Wraith the third time around. They did see what happened to her the second time, so shouldn't they expect things to maybe, just maybe, get even more out of hand when she tried again? And things did in fact get out of hand, so in retrospect... Yeah. :p

Now bring on The Siege!

Athenaktt
January 23rd, 2005, 01:24 PM
Loved the shots of McKay looking into his empty coffe mug and the poster of Johnny Cash over Sheppard's bed. (Which, btw, was NOT up on the wall in the last episode. Yes, that's very important info. :p )

Hehe I noticted that too!...I wonder who he stole the Johnny Cash poster from. Or maybe it just takes Shep a very long time to unpack his belongs, since he's so busy going on missions and stuff.



And I definitely agree with those who say that McKay is NOT dating Heightmeyer. It was pretty obvious to me that he was lying about the whole thing. It was hilarious to watch him try and decide which way he was going, in the background, when Teyla was about to go into Heightmeyer's office. :D

I can see why people are saying McKay was lying about dating Heightmeyer, because it would seem like something Mckay was say to get out of saying "oh I have mental problems and needed to see the Psych Dr." But then the spoilers on GW were throwing me off since they said Mckay was involved with her...so i'm still confused. :S

But it is very plausible McKay was NOT dating her.


Liked the conflict that Bates, once again, provided. And I kept wondering why they didn't take any more precautions when Teyla connected with the Wraith the third time around. They did see what happened to her the second time, so shouldn't they expect things to maybe, just maybe, get even more out of hand when she tried again? And things did in fact get out of hand, so in retrospect... Yeah. :p

Maybe Bates was the extra precaution. ;) He was more then willing to shoot Teyla a couple times. ;)


Now bring on The Siege!

Yup i'm so ready for "The Siege"!!

Easter Lily
January 23rd, 2005, 01:28 PM
The Ancients found out a way to become immortal in a way, through ascension. Now I'm not gonna argue if this happened in the Milky Way, Pegasus, Ida or any other galaxy. I want to offer my theory on the Wraith: the Ancients, in their original, corporeal form, were as mortal as their human relatives. Maybe, there were some Ancient scientists looking for a way to get their race rid of aging and death. And that's when they started genetical experiments, basically combining their own DNA with that of the life-sucking insectoids. Because of the questionable character of these experiments, they were being conducted in secrecy, on some isolated planet with no stargate on it. The experiments were a success, as for their primary goal - creating an almost immortal lifeform. However, this brave new race had to keep their life by feeding upon other lifeforms. Very soon, they fed upon their own pitiable creators. When they had no more people to take their life energy from, they decided to ... have a nap.

I like it Ra... it is pretty much what I used to think ;)

Buzz Lightyear
January 28th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Not my problem. I have points to sprare. :)

You're quite the piece of work, aren't you? For someone who advises others to "all toughen your skin up", you're remarkably thin-skinned yourself to comments contrary to your own.

Oh, and thanks for that vindictive (and anonymous) negative rep point. For the record, I've never given anyone negative rep points and don't plan to start, even with you.

DIngChavez
February 22nd, 2005, 02:29 PM
And Rodney has a g/f aww.

eh....wasn't he just covering because he didn't want anyone to know he was seeing a psychologist?

Matt G
February 22nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
OK...

1. Definately some solid Teyla development here. She's stubborn, used to pressure as a leader(of sorts)and likes to keep her cards close to her chest. Fair enough.

2. I'd been spoiled about the DNA but not the Wraith evolving off the Ancients.

3. Very nicely done Teyla dream sequences.

4. Was 50/50 on the McKay/Kate thing.

Overall decent ep with a bit of a horror film feel to it.

WormholeAlien
February 24th, 2005, 03:28 AM
That doctor chick was hot. They have had a lot of attractive women on this show so far...

That woman had inches of make up on! You'd need a shovel to get rid of it. :eek:

WormholeAlien
February 24th, 2005, 04:24 AM
The Ancients found out a way to become immortal in a way, through ascension. Now I'm not gonna argue if this happened in the Milky Way, Pegasus, Ida or any other galaxy. I want to offer my theory on the Wraith: the Ancients, in their original, corporeal form, were as mortal as their human relatives. Maybe, there were some Ancient scientists looking for a way to get their race rid of aging and death. And that's when they started genetical experiments, basically combining their own DNA with that of the life-sucking insectoids. Because of the questionable character of these experiments, they were being conducted in secrecy, on some isolated planet with no stargate on it. The experiments were a success, as for their primary goal - creating an almost immortal lifeform. However, this brave new race had to keep their life by feeding upon other lifeforms. Very soon, they fed upon their own pitiable creators. When they had no more people to take their life energy from, they decided to ... have a nap.
Time from time, they were awoken by some curious and unfortunate expedition; these occasional food supplies allowed the Wraith to grow in numbers and ... to gain knowledge. When their self-confidence reached a critical point, they started to behave in a more aggressive manner, engaging an arriving spaceship in a battle. At that moment, the Ancients finally found out there may be a problem, but the problem was underestimated. The Wraith were more determined, more cunning, more flexible than the Ancients could imagine at the moment. Since then, the Wraith were always one step ahead of the Ancients. And that's it.


I'd say, this is the most plausible theory. reps for u.

Bastet11191967
March 11th, 2005, 08:38 PM
You know what?
I justed watched the last five minutes of the episode again and I tend to revise my opinion towards your point of view. :) I guess I didn't really pay close attention because I just remembered how his "strictly by the book"-behaviour annoyed me back in "Suspicion". But even then, his attitude was justified up to a certain degree. I just didn't like it so much, but that doesn't make it wrong.

When he took Teyla down, he got an acknowledging nod from both Weir and Sheppard. So it pays to be cautious. Usually not my cup of tea, but then again you could compare the situation to that in "Gemini" where Carter could have used a bit of that Bates spirit.

But nevertheless...caution..paranoia...where's the difference? j/k (!)
:D

I did not like Bates much when he appeared in Suspicion, but in the following episodes, he has shown a more "human" side. Obviously, he is more of a stickler for rules than Shepard, so he will always handle things differently.

FoolishPleasure
March 11th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Imagine Teyla gathering together other Athosians, similarly gifted. Imagine them training together, learning to use their mental skills, forming a coterie. Imagine them learning to invade the Wraith consciousness undetected, spies in the Wraith's midst. Imagine them being able to posess a Wraith as Teyla was posessed, if only for short (yet crucial) moments.
This scenario has already been done. . . in Babylon 5 - The psychic Lyta helps train other telepaths to disrupt evil Shadow ships (which are organically based) during battle.

We've been down this road. I'm hoping the writers can come up with something DIFFERENT. :rolleyes:

kharn the betrayer
March 11th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Wow a Teyla episode at last.*Grr,why couldnt Ford have gotten 1 to...*

loved Ford's joke about Mckay,before Teyla fell through the ''wall''.

I also loved Mckay in general,along with his banter with Dr Zelenka(SP?)

And the Wraith's past is revealed somewhat to. Hope we learn more about them in S2.

BruceDickinson
March 11th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Wow a Teyla episode at last.*Grr,why couldnt Ford have gotten 1 to...*

loved Ford's joke about Mckay,before Teyla fell through the ''wall''.

I also loved Mckay in general,along with his banter with Dr Zelenka(SP?)

And the Wraith's past is revealed somewhat to. Hope we learn more about them in S2.

What was it Ford said, "How small is it" or sommething like that? His face was very funny when he was saying it :D !

And the line of the night (IMO) came right after that when McKay said, "Maybe she hit it fast, you know, get a running start and really slam into it" HA! :D

And Teyla, wow, she went from hot to creepy in 2.0 weeks! :eek:

Hyperspace
March 11th, 2005, 11:21 PM
IIIII Planet Bug(probably known to them as La La Land or something....)

PLANET BUG!!! I like it! That should be the official name!

SmartFox
March 11th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Really like Bates in this ep. I think the rest of the team trusted Teyla in the trance too much. I saw she wasn't her self how could they not have. Good job Bates on having the weapon. I'm really liking Bates more and more. This is a weird twist with the whole Wraith DNA thing and i could like it as long as they continue to work with it. If they drop it here i am going to be pissed though cause that is no little thing to forget. And this ep also started to prove my theory on the bugs and humans and Wraith evolution. :D

newton4881
March 12th, 2005, 12:05 AM
does anyone have the exact quote when weir tells; sheppard, ford, and beckett, that teylas has somne wraith dna..

ford goes something like "bates is gonna go nuts"

gwangung
March 12th, 2005, 12:28 AM
Something some folks are forgetting:

Wraiths don't necessarily have to develop their technology on their own; they can STEAL it from the victims they drain.

Ancients seed world, leave for 100,000 years. Bug mixes with human genes, form Wraiths. Wraiths grow to dominate world. Perhaps they even overfeed, leaving only a few. Ancients return to see what they've seeded. They all get slaughtered by a handful of Wraith...who get ALL of the Ancient technology at once (and be cunning enough to develop a battle plan to overwhelm the Ancients).

Given the knowledge draining skills that the Wraiths have shown, this need not have taken that long, and is flexible enough to fit anywhere on the timeline we know about.

Vega
March 12th, 2005, 01:18 PM
The Gift was a decent episode, however I STILL can't stand Teyla. At least we got to see a little character, finally, out of her. I'm not sure about the Mckay/Shrink thing, guess I'll just have to see what happens. But Rodney strikes me as the type of person that would be bragging about dating her..after all, he STILL brags about Carter. So I think he was Bsing. Loved the Zelenka/Mckay/Beckett scene with the chair, and their bet. Also enjoyed Bates. I think we need someone who's a little paranoid. I did enjoy the information we learned about the Wraith, albiet it's far fetched.

FoolishPleasure
March 12th, 2005, 02:52 PM
I would rate this episode a 3 out of 5. Not the best, but not the worst.

First - the silly stick fighting. Is anyone else bothering to learn this or is Sheppard the only one? It would seem to benefit all the soldiers to learn a new form of hand-to-hand combat.

McKay and the therapist - nope, don't think they are an item. I took it as Rodney embarrassed that someone found out he is actually in therapy.

Liked Bates - sometimes he seems to be the only one with common sense. ;)
(And why the heck wasn't Teyla restrained during the last session? She went bonkers once, did they not think it would happen again? Duh.)

Teyla. I know this was supposed to showcase her but it didn't make me like her any better. She is still mouthy and pushy - you can call it stress, but she has been like this all along. My 12 year old son (who does think she looks HOT) even said someone needs to duct tape her mouth and make her shut up. If a pre-teen male is becoming disenchanted with her bossy personality then you know something is really wrong with the character. Nuff said on that.

Usually I am very impressed with Joe Flanigan's work, but even he seemed to be sleepwalking through this episode. His concern for Teyla seemed stilted and flat - as though just reading the lines.

On the other hand - learning more about the Wraith was cool, McKay and Zelenka - love 'em both, and I was impressed with Weir's language skills. Now, hopefully on to a better episode next week.

Easter Lily
March 12th, 2005, 03:54 PM
I would rate this episode a 3 out of 5. Not the best, but not the worst.

First - the silly stick fighting. Is anyone else bothering to learn this or is Sheppard the only one? It would seem to benefit all the soldiers to learn a new form of hand-to-hand combat.

I'm a big fan of martial arts in movies so I always enjoy the sparring... but martial arts was never formulated just for combat... there are benefits for health, exercise, reflexes... which is what I think Teyla was referring to in Hot Zone...


McKay and the therapist - nope, don't think they are an item. I took it as Rodney embarrassed that someone found out he is actually in therapy.

I don't know why there is still this debate about his "relationship" with Heightmeyer... it seemed pretty obvious to me that McKay was quite embarassed and sheepish about being seen in Heightmeyer's office. He wasn't exactly looking his best either. Definitely an attempt at prevarication if I ever heard one...



Liked Bates - sometimes he seems to be the only one with common sense. ;)
(And why the heck wasn't Teyla restrained during the last session? She went bonkers once, did they not think it would happen again? Duh.)

This is one of the strengths of the show, I think, to show that the leads aren't always right all the time. Sometimes it is good to be just a wee bit paranoid... to err on the side of caution...


Teyla. I know this was supposed to showcase her but it didn't make me like her any better. She is still mouthy and pushy - you can call it stress, but she has been like this all along. My 12 year old son (who does think she looks HOT) even said someone needs to duct tape her mouth and make her shut up. If a pre-teen male is becoming disenchanted with her bossy personality then you know something is really wrong with the character. Nuff said on that.

I'm not too happy about Teyla either... she's gradually getting a bit over the top... I don't think she's bossy... bossy I could live with... she's just bland... and in this episode they turned this bland person into an angry, young woman turning over to the darkside a la Anakin Skywalker....


Usually I am very impressed with Joe Flanigan's work, but even he seemed to be sleepwalking through this episode. His concern for Teyla seemed stilted and flat - as though just reading the lines.

LOL... actually I thought that was the idea... everyone's not sleeping particularly well. He could well be sleepwalking... Who knows, we might find out in Seige 3 that it was all a nightmare projected by Wraith Teyla and she wakes up to find out that the Wraith are coming again. ;)


I was impressed with Weir's language skills. Now, hopefully on to a better episode next week.

I don't think we see enough of Weir's linguistic abilities... hopefully more of this in Season 2.

FoolishPleasure
March 12th, 2005, 04:00 PM
I'm not too happy about Teyla either... she's gradually getting a bit over the top... I don't think she's bossy... bossy I could live with... she's just bland... and in this episode they turned this bland person into an angry, young woman turning over to the darkside a la Anakin Skywalker....
Oh dear. . .plot bunny sighted. . .Teyla/Anakin "ship". :D

DEdison
March 12th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Am i the only one who finds this dr heightmeyer slightly creepy? Did i miss something? IF Teyla responds to wraith presence, and the hive ships are days away, couldn't their be a wraith inflitrator aboard atlantis? That might explain her sudden wraith-sense overload, right? the good Dr. seems suddenly to just BE there--did i miss her earlier, and was she with the team when they left SG1? Don't the wraith have the ability to alter perceptions? Could Heightmeyer be a wraith? using her hoodoo on everyone to blend in and keep them from recognizing it? She seemed AWFULLY interested (i mean, this would be fair if she were real, too, but still) in Teyla's wraith connection. Interested in a kind of creepy way, almost as if she were, say, already studying the human-wraith experiment...like a certain ostracized wraith? Am I completely off in getting the feeling that she might BE that wraith scientist? She just suddenly seemed to be there...and Rodney getting jiggy with (or even getting near to) a hot blonde? Sheppard ratting out Teyla? That doesn't seem to fit with his image...maybe I'm paranoid. It all seems a little too pat. Does anyone agree with me, or have i been tuning out?

FoolishPleasure
March 12th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Sheppard ratting out Teyla? That doesn't seem to fit with his image...maybe I'm paranoid.
Sheppard didn't rat on Teyla. He has to trust his team 100% or someone could die. She obviously had "issues" going on and he simply reported it to the medical staff. .as he should have. That would seem to be proper military protocol.

As for Heightmeyer. . . she didn't quite seem professional enough for me - almost too nervous.

SmartFox
March 12th, 2005, 05:53 PM
I still don't believe that Sheppard was kicking Teylas butt at the stick fighting thing. Even without here getting much sleep she is alot better the Shep and he was totally beating her. I said it once ill say it again Bates rules sometimes i think no one has a brain in Alantis except Bates. Then i see Mckay and i change my thinking. But still the Alantis crew could use some more commen sense, and paranoia.

DEdison
March 12th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Sheppard didn't rat on Teyla. He has to trust his team 100% or someone could die. She obviously had "issues" going on and he simply reported it to the medical staff. .as he should have. That would seem to be proper military protocol.

As for Heightmeyer. . . she didn't quite seem professional enough for me - almost too nervous.


Totally fair. Sheppard has to trust his team. He should maybe have recognized that going behind Teyla's back would upset her further, but whatever. It's Heightmeyer that I'm watching closely. She definitely seemed nervous, and invested in Teyla's wraith connection in a way that screams "secret evil infiltrator." Maybe I just don't like her because she looks like Fern Mayo from Jawbreaker. Who can say?

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 13th, 2005, 08:59 AM
First of all, thank you thank you for giving Teyla something to do! I was getting sick of her role being Ms. States The Obvious or in the case on Letters from Pegasus, an out of character Ms. Moral Preaching. Finally she not only gets a storyline, but an interesting one at that. That said, I still felt Teyla was a little stiff. What is the unwritten rule that aliens can't use contractions? Be brave Teyla, say "don't." I felt like I was watching Rachel Luttrell kind of find her way in this role. Which isn't suprising as it's really her first opportunity. A lot of the same sentiments I have about Teyla I originially had about Teal'c, hopefully she will be given the chance to find her place and a more fluid way of being.

As for the whole Dr. Moreau Wraith thing, I found it interesting. Certainly has some prospects. And as for the Ancients (even accidentally) creating the Wraith, are we really that surprised? But still, they're finally making the Wraith a little cooler. While the actual dialogue was uber-cheesy, the idea that a Wraith could take over Teyla is still appropriately scary. I was also glad to see (even if only one) that the Athosians still exist. Let's not completey forget about them, and can we not play the obstinate-naive-alien card?

And the stick-fighting: As someone who has some martial arts experience, I quite like the stick fighting because it looks cool and can actually inflict some damage (please don't get me started on The Warrior). But Teyla's out fit is just ridiculous. I mean, please. You can still look sexy in workout pants, I promise. Less ridiculous outfits, more kick butt ("I've scene you fight my dear." Hee.)

keshou
March 13th, 2005, 09:01 AM
I came into this episode not caring for Teyla very much. I came out of the episode ...well....still not madly in love with Teyla. The difference is that at least she's getting a backstory now that will serve her character better than just being the hot chick with the stick. :)

There were some interesting revelations here and some interesting missteps by our regulars. You could really sense that they're all beginning to panic about the Wraith's arrival and it resulted in some strange actions by key personnel throughout this episode. Weir took a chance and then backed off at an odd moment. Shep seemed to be off his game by not being better prepared for Teyla's second time trying to link to the Wraith. Turns out Bates, as irritating as he can be at times, was the one who really stepped up and did the smart thing.

Two things were interesting here. One, apparently the Wraith are linked telepathically and Teyla can tap into that link because of her Wraith DNA. I have to say that was a little freaky when that Wraith started speaking thru her and seems to know all about the "pathetic" Atlantians. Are all the Wraith liked telepathically like the Borg? It seems the link on Teyla's side may only work when they get close enough.

The other interesting revelation is that the Wraith may somehow be a result of a cross between humans and the bug creatures from "33 Minutes". Hmm....how does such a mutant creature as the Wraith result from that? I think there's going to be a lot more to the story than we know now. The more that's revealed about the Ancients - the more culpable they become in everything that happened to them.

Of course I immediately wondered if they're setting things up so Shep is going to turn into a Wraith by the end of S2 or something because of the bug attached to his neck in S1. :rolleyes:

I enjoyed the episode although it wasn't one of the better episodes of the second half of the season. Better than Sanctuary though. I didn't really care for the psychiatrist that much - Heightmeyer. I was hoping they might find a way to introduce another strong female supporting character but I'm not sure she's going to be the one. I do think it's interesting that an expedition to the Pegasus galaxy took along it's own shrink. That's going to come in handy. Sort of like Troi.

McKay was totally trying to cover with Teyla. I think he got caught leaving a psychiatrist's office - the man's got "issues"! - and tried to pretend they had a thing going. LOL! Gotta love McKay.

I do hope they get Teyla a new shirt next season. I often wonder if those ties are going to hold up under the pressure. ;)

Oma Desala
March 13th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Not my favorite episode. It was nice they worked on some depth in the Teyla character but they could have done more. The introduction of the hot blonde shrink was alright also. An entire hour just to find out they only care about the humans to find earth. :)

zats
March 13th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Creepy ep! It did seem to take too long to get to the point--Wraiths want Earthling smorgasbord--but it was still good, so whatever.

What was good:
a. The shrink. I initially thought that she was going to wind up being duplicitous, but no worries, so she's cool. Although, seriously: she's seeing McKay?! Girl, you can do better than him.
b. Teyla. It was great to see her character branch out a bit.
c. Beckett. I love that guy!
d. Just about...oh, everything.

What wasn't good:
a. There's something I don't get: just what are the Wraith planning on doing once they get to Atlantis? Even if they manage to get Earth's 'gate address from the computer, I'd think it'd be a safe bet to assume that they wouldn't get through the iris. I suppose they could fly there...but wouldn't it take them a while? Maybe not--I don't remember how long it was going to take the Prometheus to fly there--but I would think that Earth would still have some grace time.

Okay, fine, I don't know what I'm talking about. Help! :eek:

NightGloom
March 13th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Meh, still don't like Teyla. I think I actually liked the wraith speaking through Teyla better. Oh well, maybe after she gets some sleep.

I'm just glad that they don't play the Ancients to be absolutely perfect anymore. I kinda figured that they created the wraith somehow, but I just wasn't sure how. Now we know not to mix bugs with humans. At least they didn't turn out like the horrible movies they show on the Sci Fi channel.

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 13th, 2005, 02:02 PM
does anyone have the exact quote when weir tells; sheppard, ford, and beckett, that teylas has somne wraith dna..

ford goes something like "bates is gonna go nuts"

SHEPPARD: You’re saying Teyla’s part-Wraith?
BECKETT: A very small part.
WEIR (to John): Which makes her about as different from us as you, because of the Ancient gene you possess.
McKAY: Well, and some other things!
FORD: Still, Bates is gonna go nuts over this.
SHEPPARD: Let’s just keep this one under our hat.

gwangung
March 13th, 2005, 03:39 PM
What wasn't good:
a. There's something I don't get: just what are the Wraith planning on doing once they get to Atlantis? Even if they manage to get Earth's 'gate address from the computer, I'd think it'd be a safe bet to assume that they wouldn't get through the iris. I suppose they could fly there...but wouldn't it take them a while? Maybe not--I don't remember how long it was going to take the Prometheus to fly there--but I would think that Earth would still have some grace time.

Okay, fine, I don't know what I'm talking about. Help! :eek:

Well, given what we've seen in the series so far, all they'd have to do is power up the gate (they probably have a ZPM of their own) and send through the Atlantis codes (which they could suck from the minds of the Atlantis crew) and just get a few squads full of soldiers through.

Oma Desala
March 13th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Creepy ep! It did seem to take too long to get to the point--Wraiths want Earthling smorgasbord--but it was still good, so whatever.

What was good:
a. The shrink. I initially thought that she was going to wind up being duplicitous, but no worries, so she's cool. Although, seriously: she's seeing McKay?! Girl, you can do better than him.
b. Teyla. It was great to see her character branch out a bit.
c. Beckett. I love that guy!
d. Just about...oh, everything.


I think you may have misunderstood that McKay shrink relationship. He told Teyla they were seeing one another... not to tell anyone. I got the impression he was embarrassed someone caught him seeing a shrink and told Teyla that. Don't get me wrong, maybe he is seeing her. It's just not the impression I got.

zats
March 13th, 2005, 04:51 PM
Whoops...okeedokee, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks! :)

LoneStar1836
March 14th, 2005, 01:55 AM
Of course I immediately wondered if they're setting things up so Shep is going to turn into a Wraith by the end of S2 or something because of the bug attached to his neck in S1. :rolleyes:Oh, I seriously hope not. That didn't even cross my mind, but I bet it did the writers'. Let's not explore that possibility, please. They haven't even hardly done anything with the gene he currently possesses. And that was the whole reason for Shep going to Atlantis in the first place. Let's not turn him into some big mutant with the mixing of all the genes. I like the ones he currently exhibits just fine. ;):D


McKay was totally trying to cover with Teyla. I think he got caught leaving a psychiatrist's office - the man's got "issues"! - and tried to pretend they had a thing going. LOL! Gotta love McKay.That scene was great. Now if it had been anybody else but Teyla who had opened the door, he wouldn't be fooling anyone with that excuse, but I loved it anyway. :D

SmartFox
March 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM
That scene was great. Now if it had been anybody else but Teyla who had opened the door, he wouldn't be fooling anyone with that excuse, but I loved it anyway. :D

I don't think he has to worry about Teyla saying anything. She wouldn't care first of all and second she had too much on her mind anyways. Mckays secret is safe with Teyla.

lordaraq
March 14th, 2005, 06:55 PM
excuse me if someone mentioned this before, but perhaps the current form of the wraith are the result of the mixing of ancient humans and an older non-human based form. That way the hologrom still makes sence about a terrible enemy already being there. Maybe the current form of wraith were engineered by the older form to hunt and defeat the Ancients? just a thought...

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 15th, 2005, 11:18 AM
excuse me if someone mentioned this before, but perhaps the current form of the wraith are the result of the mixing of ancient humans and an older non-human based form. That way the hologrom still makes sence about a terrible enemy already being there. Maybe the current form of wraith were engineered by the older form to hunt and defeat the Ancients? just a thought...

Didn't Weir (or Beckett, not sure now) say that the Wraith are a result of the bug in 38 minutes feeding off a human (perhaps ancient) and incorportating said human's DNA?

lordaraq
March 15th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Didn't Weir (or Beckett, not sure now) say that the Wraith are a result of the bug in 38 minutes feeding off a human (perhaps ancient) and incorportating said human's DNA?

But we don't know if that blending was accidental or intentional. I imagine it will be answered fairly early in season two though.

greytop
March 15th, 2005, 03:40 PM
This was just odd episode to me. Maybe it would be more understandable next season.
Two things were interesting here. One, apparently the Wraith are linked telepathically and Teyla can tap into that link because of her Wraith DNA. I have to say that was a little freaky when that Wraith started speaking thru her and seems to know all about the "pathetic" Atlantians. Are all the Wraith liked telepathically like the Borg? It seems the link on Teyla's side may only work when they get close enough.Also reminds me in a way of the replicators in sharing their thoughts with each other.



Of course I immediately wonder if they're setting thing up so Shep is going to turn into a Wraith by the end of S2 or something because of the bug attached to his neck in S1. :rolleyes:
Oh, I serious hope not. That didn't even cross my mind, but I bet it did the writers'. Let's not explore that possibility, please. They haven't even hardly done anything with the gene he currently possesses. And the whole reason for Shep going to Atlantis in the first place. Let's not turn him into some big mutant with the mixing of all the genes. I like the ones he currently exhibits just fine. ;) :D So do I.

FoolishPleasure
March 16th, 2005, 06:14 AM
Of course I immediately wondered if they're setting things up so Shep is going to turn into a Wraith by the end of S2 or something because of the bug attached to his neck in S1.
While I don't think Shep is going to mutate into anything, I do think TPTB are going to revisit the "bug on the neck" scenario. They have made a big to-do about how the Wraith inject a chemical into their victims, so he did have something pumped into him.

Of course. . it could be another plot hole that the writers never revisit. ;)

Bastet11191967
March 18th, 2005, 06:33 AM
Am i the only one who finds this dr heightmeyer slightly creepy? Did i miss something? IF Teyla responds to wraith presence, and the hive ships are days away, couldn't their be a wraith inflitrator aboard atlantis? That might explain her sudden wraith-sense overload, right? the good Dr. seems suddenly to just BE there--did i miss her earlier, and was she with the team when they left SG1? Don't the wraith have the ability to alter perceptions? Could Heightmeyer be a wraith? using her hoodoo on everyone to blend in and keep them from recognizing it? She seemed AWFULLY interested (i mean, this would be fair if she were real, too, but still) in Teyla's wraith connection. Interested in a kind of creepy way, almost as if she were, say, already studying the human-wraith experiment...like a certain ostracized wraith? Am I completely off in getting the feeling that she might BE that wraith scientist? She just suddenly seemed to be there...and Rodney getting jiggy with (or even getting near to) a hot blonde? Sheppard ratting out Teyla? That doesn't seem to fit with his image...maybe I'm paranoid. It all seems a little too pat. Does anyone agree with me, or have i been tuning out?

I think it is far-fetched that Heightmeyer would be a wraith scientist, because Teyla would have picked that up instantly because of her ability to sense wraith. As for her interest, maybe she is looking to get on Dr. Phil's show if she ever gets back to earth (;)). Or maybe write a book on extraterrestrial contact and the resulting mental illnesses (lol).

Sheyla Fan
March 19th, 2005, 10:37 PM
I absolutely loved this episode. Teyla is my favorite and we finally got a show dedicated to her. I can't wait to see where the writers take this new Teyla development in Season 2. :D

SeaBee
June 5th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Another excellent ep. Good to see the writers finally get round to actually using the abilities Teyla has.

steve17
October 20th, 2005, 12:16 AM
I don't think he has to worry about Teyla saying anything. She wouldn't care first of all and second she had too much on her mind anyways. Mckays secret is safe with Teyla.
Yeah, i had to laugh when McKay got flustered when teyla was there. I think that anyones secret is safe with teyla.

This episode was one of my fav, it was well done.

captain jake
April 10th, 2006, 12:05 PM
I dont know it was a pretty cool episode but definately not my favorite.

mckaychick
April 10th, 2006, 04:30 PM
yeah it was a good episode to me.

captain jake
April 11th, 2006, 03:06 PM
What are some of your favourite lines from the gift?

August 22nd, 2006, 11:36 AM
:ford: From George Jr.

My favorite quote:
SHEPPARD: I disagree. I think it's entirely within
the realm of possibility.

KAVANAGH: There are tens of thousands of life-sucking
aliens in highly advanced spaceships on
thier way here to destroy us, and we
have..
What? -- two hundred people, most of
whom are scientists who've never even
fired a gun before.

McKAY: Shockingly, first time ever I've found myself
having to agree with Kavanagh.


:ford: Really one of my favorites.
George Jr.:ford:

TattertotLove
September 2nd, 2006, 10:06 PM
Just saw the episode and I liked it. It had a few "makes you jump" parts in it as I like to put it. I like all of the funny comments to. Now I can't wait to see the next episode.:)

Miyth
September 3rd, 2006, 11:44 PM
I just saw it for the first time too :) . I thought it was great, lol poor Teyla, that must have been traumatizing! I liked Dr. Heightmeyer, it's the first time I've seen an episode with her. She seemed sweet, I'm so use to hating McKenzie, so I didn't know what to expect of the SGA psychologist.

Falcon Horus
September 4th, 2006, 04:53 AM
I liked Dr. Heightmeyer, it's the first time I've seen an episode with her. She seemed sweet, I'm so use to hating McKenzie, so I didn't know what to expect of the SGA psychologist.

I'd choose Heightmeyer over McKenzie any day. If I were an SG-member I'd promptly ask for a transfer to Atlantis, just so I'd be having her as a psychologist instead of the creep.

TattertotLove
September 4th, 2006, 03:53 PM
I just saw it for the first time too :) . I thought it was great, lol poor Teyla, that must have been traumatizing! I liked Dr. Heightmeyer, it's the first time I've seen an episode with her. She seemed sweet, I'm so use to hating McKenzie, so I didn't know what to expect of the SGA psychologist.

Once again thanks to fox 4 we have seen another great rerun of SGA. The best part about them rerunning seasons 1 & 2 is that when the third season takes it's 3 month break we can continue to watch episodes that we may not have seen before or get information that we missed the first time we watched it.

And I did like Dr. Hieghtmeyer too, she was very compationate about the work she does and very caring. :)

Anubisjackel
March 11th, 2007, 10:07 PM
I liked this episode very much too. The writers did a great job on Teyla. I would watch this episode almost everyday just to watch the interaction between Sheppard and Teyla. I loved how Teyla was hurt that Sheppard would reveal her secret to Heightmeyer. But, he did it to help her. I think my favorite line in that whole episode was when Sheppard told Teyla, "Well, I suggest you take a nap." I had to laugh at that line everytime I heard it. He sounds like a father telling his daughter to take a nap. Again, I liked this episode.

Orion25
October 19th, 2008, 05:11 AM
Great episode! It was a good expansion to Teyla's character while everyone's trying to focus in the impending doom. If Teyla hadn't pushed on with her need to get to the bottom of her problem, I would think she and the expedition team would have lost this advantage against the Wraith.

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 01:10 PM
i don't think teyla suits the way she says "you are all so pathetic" besides that it's a good episode imo

Falcon Horus
February 25th, 2009, 01:48 PM
i don't think teyla suits the way she says "you are all so pathetic" besides that it's a good episode imo

It wasn't Teyla who said it, so... :)

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 04:19 AM
teyla as a wraith queen "i feel hunger" freaky

Dr. Selene Ankarres
October 27th, 2009, 12:55 AM
i like 'the gift' it gave us more insight into teyla :) and tells us more about the wraith

Dr. Selene Ankarres
October 27th, 2009, 12:57 AM
teyla as a wraith queen "i feel hunger" freaky

i think the phrase was good, but not like the wraith version. maybe their make up artist was rubbish ? or, um...she was seeing her-self like a hybrid sort ?

when she's a wraith queen in the 'queen' she looks great !

Falcon Horus
October 27th, 2009, 12:06 PM
i think the phrase was good, but not like the wraith version. maybe their make up artist was rubbish ? or, um...she was seeing her-self like a hybrid sort ?

when she's a wraith queen in the 'queen' she looks great !

Or maybe they hadn't that much experience in creating the masks yet... ;)

Dr. Selene Ankarres
October 27th, 2009, 12:09 PM
Or maybe they hadn't that much experience in creating the masks yet... ;)

that is also true...:o

WraithQueenH
October 28th, 2009, 07:51 PM
i think the phrase was good, but not like the wraith version. maybe their make up artist was rubbish ? or, um...she was seeing her-self like a hybrid sort ?

when she's a wraith queen in the 'queen' she looks great !

I think Teyla isn't that creative so the wraith dream was okay. Todd designed her in the Queen so there he looked much better.. oh and Todd Masters & Masters FX 's stuff was always bound to be better then season one. ;)

Falcon Horus
October 29th, 2009, 12:58 PM
I think Teyla isn't that creative so the wraith dream was okay. Todd designed her in the Queen so there he looked much better.. oh and Todd Masters & Masters FX 's stuff was always bound to be better then season two. ;)

The Gift is season one. ;)

WraithQueenH
October 29th, 2009, 05:41 PM
The Gift is season one. ;)

That's what I get for typing fast. :) Thanks for catching me.

Falcon Horus
November 1st, 2009, 09:42 AM
That's what I get for typing fast. :) Thanks for catching me.

No porblem. :)

Sp!der
December 13th, 2009, 02:53 AM
watched it last night again, and realized how i misssed teyla episodes in the later seasons especially in season five!!!! awesome episode, and mckay isnt that annoying as in season five. i like him more in season one-twoish..... well awesome episode!

gateship15
December 13th, 2009, 03:02 AM
i haven't watched this in a while but its a fantastic episode

Jacquelyn
February 19th, 2010, 04:38 PM
This episode was awesome to me! :) Teyla was great in it. Although i think she looked a bit weird as a Wraith in this episode. In "The Queen" she looked cool as a Wraith though.

ktebid
February 22nd, 2010, 03:19 PM
I wasn't too fussed on this episode. I liked how it started the build up for the last 2 eps, I thought the acting was good, but it just seemed a bit blah to me. A good ep, but not one of my favourite.

Elorendil
July 7th, 2010, 08:54 PM
This was an interesting episode with the revelation of the Wraith experiments and the attempted connection to the Wraith telepathic link. I thought Teyla's actor did a good job of making a very marked change in her demeanor when the Wraith was in control. A fascinating episode, but not my favorite.

mrscopterdoc
August 28th, 2010, 10:37 PM
I like this one, a good episode for Teyla.

maneth
November 23rd, 2010, 09:31 PM
Great Teyla ep, and we sure learned a lot about her and the Wraith.

Thorthewraith
November 26th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Or maybe they hadn't that much experience in creating the masks yet...

I don't think it's about well or no be good at making masks. I don't know wether it's this or an earlier episode, but you can see Bob attacking Teyla. Later on she sees the same image of Bob attacking her(that's why they were the same clothes) but then she sees her own face in a wraithway. I like her face in the queen better to.

Skie
March 19th, 2011, 08:48 AM
I liked this ep. a lot. Gives a lot of background about Teyla and the wraith. But it also rose some questions:

1. When Teyla was on the hive ship, there seemed a lot of wraiths being around, quite busy. But in the later eps, when Shepps team is on a hive ship, they seldom bump into wraiths, it always seems quite deserted. Practical of course, so they can sneak around undetected.

2. If there is a telepathic network then the wraith should immediately be aware of intruders and where they are, if some wraith run into them. But we never see that in later episodes, it's more like if the team kills the wraiths that discovered them, everything is fine.

3. It's so convenient they found that data storage device. Of course if I would have been the wraith scientist, I wouldn't have destroyed the lab to cover my actions or at least the other wraiths who wiped out the whole population on this planet would do that. :rolleyes:

4. In this episode and in SIEGE I, they showed that Teyla's mental abilities are weaker then the wraiths. Every time she thinks she is more prepared, she's still weaker than the wraiths. Which makes perfect sense as she has 1. only part wraith DNA and 2. it's passed down through generations, so if anything that gift should get weaker and not stronger. But in later episodes, SUBMERSION and SOW she suddenly seems much stronger and can take over and deceive other wraiths, which is so unrealistic. Oh, don't mention the "baby helped me thing", that just sucked. I would have liked they stayed realistic with that and showed the use of Teyla's ability as a means of last resort. You can sneak into the network but you have to be very careful and do it only for a short amount of time.

mrscopterdoc
June 4th, 2011, 06:49 PM
1. When Teyla was on the hive ship, there seemed a lot of wraiths being around, quite busy. But in the later eps, when Shepps team is on a hive ship, they seldom bump into wraiths, it always seems quite deserted. Practical of course, so they can sneak around undetected.
of course ;) it's all in the script.....

garhkal
June 5th, 2011, 12:58 PM
POss cause those hives were coming for 'war'..

Skie
June 6th, 2011, 12:19 PM
POss cause those hives were coming for 'war'..

First, they are at war later too (civil war) and second, they have for sure the same number of wraith on the ship so that doesn't change and third, you need the same amount of people for having a functional ship. So no, war or not war is not an explanation for that.

WraithRichard
June 6th, 2011, 12:50 PM
First, they are at war later too (civil war) and second, they have for sure the same number of wraith on the ship so that doesn't change and third, you need the same amount of people for having a functional ship. So no, war or not war is not an explanation for that.

It's because a bunch of wraith look intimidating, but the writers are too lazy to have the characters come up wit brilliant plans around that (or budget constraints, or just lack of time to deal with it).

I just figured they couldn't feed everyone at once, so the scientists/navigators/not guards were awake and everyone else hibernated until they arrived at where they wanted to attack.

garhkal
June 6th, 2011, 04:30 PM
The food issue is a good point.

Skie
June 7th, 2011, 11:54 AM
I just figured they couldn't feed everyone at once, so the scientists/navigators/not guards were awake and everyone else hibernated until they arrived at where they wanted to attack.

I don't know if that works. They have the civil war, which means, they need to be prepared at all time. If they are attacked they need the darts to counteract, so hibernation of the crew poses a problem. And the other thing, on all those times they were walking on those hive ships, we never saw hibernating wraiths and also the SGA teams never mentions it.

garhkal
June 8th, 2011, 05:06 PM
If you remember, they hibernate in roof 'cells.

Skie
June 11th, 2011, 06:22 AM
If you remember, they hibernate in roof 'cells.

Not all, if you remember INFECTION.

garhkal
June 11th, 2011, 12:53 PM
All i remember, is Todd saying the ship was suffering.. IIRC we didn't see them in pods or anything.

Skie
June 17th, 2011, 12:46 AM
All i remember, is Todd saying the ship was suffering.. IIRC we didn't see them in pods or anything.

Yes, we did. One of the drones attacked a marine out of one of these pods and they awaken Todd. The whole team stands in front of Todd's pod when they awaken him because they need him to repair the hive ship.

garhkal
June 17th, 2011, 03:17 PM
Egads.. my memory is flawed..

Skie
June 18th, 2011, 07:32 AM
Egads.. my memory is flawed..

I know that feeling. ;)

Lythisrose
June 16th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Joe Mallozzi's thoughts on this episode:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/june-16-2012-an-early-start-to-the-day-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-letters-from-pegasus-the-gift/

THE GIFT (118)

This episode starts with the old double-dream twist (love it!) and ends with a shocking revelation that was hinted at way back in the opening two-parter. Along the way, we are treated to oodles of backstory on the wraith, the Ancients, and Teyla herself. And, as an added bonus, we’re also introduced to resident psychiatrist Dr. Kate Heightmeyer AND the much-loved tuttleroot soup (an Athosian specialty!). This episode covers A LOT of ground, but it never feels rushed or overwhelming in its delivery. It moves along at a brisk pace with one surprise building on the next. The evolution of the wraith! The Ancients’ unwittingly having a hand in their own demise! The dark truth about Teyla’s genetic make-up! The reason for the grand awakening and looming wraith attack on Atlantis!

And then, there’s this at the very end of the episode:

Teyla: “That is why they are all waking up. That is why they are coming here. They know that Atlantis is the only way to get to a new, rich, feeding ground.”

Sheppard: Earth.

Yes! YES! THAT is why they’re all awakening! Sheppard assumes the blame for awakening the wraith (during the op to rescue Sumner in Rising II) but here, Teyla confirms what I mentioned in a previous entry: that the wraith have awakened, not because of Sheppard’s actions, but because of the information they discovered while interrogating Sumner.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 26th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Average episode (for SGA Season 1).

So Teyla is part Wraith.

Tomorrow, the beginning of the very epic trilogy known as The Seige.

Krisz
June 27th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Not too bad an episode. Whilst Teyla hasn't made such an impact as a character for me I quite liked her in this. It was interesting to learn about another misstep, although they could in no way have known, as far as what the Ancients did by inadvertently creating the Wraith.

Creepy idea that bugs like the one that got Sheppard in '38 Minutes' transformed human DNA over time! I wonder what they fed on until they first came across humans.

At least the Wraith's experiment backfired on them in the case of the 'gifted' and Teyla, it turns out to be a gift that can be turned on the Wraith instead of the other way round, useful that!

Jae'a
June 28th, 2012, 09:51 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/61763.html)

Wow, some surprising info about the Wraith there, for a first time Atlantis watcher like myself!
Poor Teyla! :eek:

hlndncr
June 28th, 2012, 06:59 PM
I like finally getting a focus on Teyla and learning more about the wraith. This opportunity to get into the wraith mind is something I wish we could have seen more of.

My biggest complaint about this episode is the pointless inclusion of yet another secondary (tertiary even) character, Dr. Heightmeyer. I really like the moments when Teyla is confiding in members of the team--she and Ford have a very nice scene--and I think having her approach Weir about her issues would have been much more interesting and effective. We get so little interaction and screen time with our leads anyway.

ZRFTS
June 28th, 2012, 10:06 PM
The Gift

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Weir: "Colonel"

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Weir: "I know you feel as depressed we do. I mean we don't have any defenses, any place to go. The Athosians on the mainland are sure to get wiped out."

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Sheppard: "I'm not worried about that Weir. I know that the Wraith are coming ever-so-closer but I'm not worried about that."

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McKay: "Then what are you worried about?"

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Sheppard: "Teyla, I feel like we've been neglecting her all this time. I mean she's a valuable member of the team and we just treat her like she in the background."

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McKay: "That's it, that's what you're worried about?"

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McKay: "Shephard, she's a vital part of our team. You've even hit it off with her a couple of times. This talk about her being neglected is really crazy!"

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Sheppard: "It's not crazy! I mean just look at her; she's just looking for her chance to shine and we're not giving her that opportunity."

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McKay: "How many opportunities have she's gotten so far? it almost seems like you want her to experience a spiritualistic exploration of life-changing possibilities, complete with a slice of self-confidence on the side."

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Weir: "That's actually not a bad idea McKay."

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Sheppard: "Have to agree with Weir, this is the most brilliant idea you've come up with in a while!"

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McKay: "Wait, you're going along with this? I said it as somewhat of a snarky comment, I didn't intend for people to take it seriously!"

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Sheppard: "Regardless of that, this is the thing I've been looking for; it's perfect for Teyla and with both of our help, I know we can pull it off. Let's go Rodney!"

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McKay: "That's where my big mouth gets me. Just great! I should be out there saving Atlantis, not chaperoning Shephard on a date with Teyla! I guess this is what constitutes as the best use for a genuis who's saved their butts a couple of times. *sigh*"


Teyla has always been this person of interest; the people that she's a part of, the sheer amount of planets that she knows, the sheer skill that she has. I imagine there must be a ton of people who have been clamoring for an episode solely focused on her so behold, the Stargate Atlantis people have heard your priers and they have given you a gift in return; this episode.


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Now is her chance to shine...

Firstly, this episode truly focuses on Teyla; there are barely any appearances by the Atlantis crew (and the ones that do are mostly background roles) to sideline her into the background like they have for many episodes and this truly gives her a chance to shine. The focus on the one thing that defines her character, the differences between races is put to really good use; after all this time they still haven't fully accepted her and the same could be said to Teyla who constantly worries about being accepted, it reinforces that there will always be cultural differences no matter how hard we try to unify but it's also used to bring out the best in Teyla's performance. The actor behind her plays the ever-so-confident role as she tries to help out, tries to prove that she can handle with the best of them and one of the best things about it is that she continues to play it, even after the people had accepted her for who she is. That strong, don't give up mentality is what drives her character throughout the series and it's what drives most of the best scenes that she has to offer; especially when she's put through what she's being put through.

The connection between the Athosian people and her get a nice mention; the connection between her and her grandmother is a sweet one that just unifies the bond they have with the society at hand; it's ever so clear that she's one of them and no matter what happens in the series, nothing is going to change that. It also reveals some of her backstory that I thought to be cute, I mean who cannot resist imaging her as a young girl through the memories that she holds? Her scenes show the Athosian inside of her that barely gets mentioned (outside of several episodes) and it even reveals some of the stuff about the people who are able to sense the Wraith and the stories relating to those people, anything about their history is nice considering that they're the first people who the Atlantians save, what's more is that it even relates to Teyla in that it inspires her to look up and explore her history; it connects both her people and herself with history and it more then grows both of their worlds, though it grows Teyla more then it does her people, it's still an appreciable growth that I'm sure will be properly used when the time comes.


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A truly charming moment with grandma.

One of the things that makes this episode is the things she's put through, the Wraith related things... These things show an unseen aspect of Teyla that isn't seen much, the one where she's in a vulnerable position. You can clearly see her confusion, her fear and her desire throughout the episode; the scene where she's doing the usual martial arts is an example as it shows her in that position, the lighting is nice yes but seeing Teyla beat up like that just does wonders for her character. The actor is good in both utilizing the strong, the weak and the curiosity of her character; the many interactions that she has with the Atlantis crew shows her in a confrontational state while also reflecting on the caring nature of the team. Out of the few shown, Sheppard is the one that is decent because he manages to have something with Teyla and he manages to utilize his military leadership in their favor. There is another doctor introduced ("Kate") but I don't mind because her performance is top notch and her appearance allows us to dig deeper into Teyla. Her questions reveal stuff about Teyla that wouldn't be revealed otherwise, mainly her thoughts and views; the physiological stuff in this scenes both serve a dual purpose, to give the scenes weight and to pick out essential aspects of Teyla's personality, the more Kate talks about the psychological stuff and the more interviews that they do, the more insight we gain about Teyla and that insight gives us an idea of what makes her tick and it allows us to connect with her even more.

Incorporating the Wraith is a genius idea, especially the way they do it. We learn some stuff that's related to the series (specifically evolutionary matters) and we learn some stuff related to the Athosians. It's truly interesting to see what they did and the history relating to that; who knows what people do that can play a part in anything, especially when it plays into their history fully and is essential to the series as a whole, that's what makes it so interesting. They become an essential part of Teyla throughout the duration of the episode. It's introduced firstly as a small dream but as time goes on and we know more about it, it becomes something that we associate with Teyla and it also becomes something that they fear and argue amongst themselves with. (initially...) It's also something that gives Teyla the moment to shine as the faces her fears herself by embracing the unknown side of her; these scenes are engaging and tense as she gets put through certain danger and every time she does it, every time she faces it, it both shows her fear and shows her strength at the same time. And what she is willing to face just to help her team, the aftereffects of the result of her ability shows one of the things that makes her character, that she is willing to help out, that she is willing to put herself through anything; no matter what the cost. And what is learned of the Wraith, what is learned of Teyla sets expectations for the finale through the roof; now that we know what she is and what the Wraith are truly here for, there will be no holding back.


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Yup... No holding back...

"The Gift" is quite honestly Teyla's chance to shine and a masterpiece of an episode at that. This episode quite literally digs deep into Teyla's character exposing mostly every aspect of it and putting her in a light that ultimately defines her as she explores herself and digs deep to find aspects even we ourselves unaware of. It highlights the best aspects of her personality, it's a decent look into an unknown character and it's just loads of dramatic fun. One of the highlights of the season and truly a gift worth having.

10/10

Lieutenant Sparrow
June 29th, 2012, 01:56 AM
An alright ep.

I don't know why but I'm really not a fan of Teyla this watch. Something about her is just rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe she will improve later on.

The stunt double for shep looked nothing like him in that fight with Teyla. Bit annoying when that happens.

Imagine being part Wraith. That would suck. Pretty cool powers though.

Matt G
June 29th, 2012, 05:46 AM
Midweek, another ep of Atlantis.

1. Is it me or did some of the early shots of waking-up-Teyla look similar to taken-over-by-Wraith-Teyla?

2. Of course we know that Teyla sensing the Wraith now is due to a Wraith in Atlantis I'm surprised they weren't able to work that out earlier.

3. One of Bates' better eps.

4. Interesting that Heightmeyer and Teyla eventually became friends but to start with...

Still solid.

Falcon Horus
June 29th, 2012, 01:47 PM
My biggest complaint about this episode is the pointless inclusion of yet another secondary (tertiary even) character, Dr. Heightmeyer.

If that's the only thing wrong with this episode, then it was a pretty good one I imagine... Still I'm glad they introduced Kate, added an extra dimension to whom is part of the expedition. I sense a little hostility towards the character here so you should be okay to know she's only going to bother you for 5 episodes. ;)

hlndncr
June 29th, 2012, 05:19 PM
If that's the only thing wrong with this episode, then it was a pretty good one I imagine... Still I'm glad they introduced Kate, added an extra dimension to whom is part of the expedition. I sense a little hostility towards the character here so you should be okay to know she's only going to bother you for 5 episodes. ;)

It's not really hostility. I just find the character really bland and that it takes away from the opportunity to deepen the relationships between our main characters, which certainly doesn't get enough attention IMO.

ZRFTS
June 29th, 2012, 06:13 PM
It's not really hostility. I just find the character really bland and that takes away from the opportunity to deepen the relationships between are main characters, which certainly doesn't get enough attention IMO.

Quite the opposite exactly. Weir may be a leader but I doubt she would be able to challenge the psych more then Kate would; I found her to be a decently acted character with some personality and while it would of been more logical to have her converse with Weir, I don't think it would have the same effect imo.

hlndncr
June 30th, 2012, 11:51 AM
Quite the opposite exactly. Weir may be a leader but I doubt she would be able to challenge the psych more then Kate would; I found her to be a decently acted character with some personality and while it would of been more logical to have her converse with Weir, I don't think it would have the same effect imo.

I don't fault the actress. She was fine. But I think the massive numbers of secondary characters and hours of screen time given to them leaves the main characters rather flat. I don't mind filling out the universe, but a first season especially should give us the chance to really get to know our main characters. I think Ford for example suffered from this. But it also hurt the team feel. They just didn't depend on one another. In SG-1 the team would have confided and talked things through with one another. They might have spoken with Janet too. But you would never see them making appointments with say Dr. MacKenzie--not voluntarily anyway.

jelgate
July 1st, 2012, 05:00 PM
This is a good episode because not only does it focus on Teyla as a person but it expands on the Wraith as a people. I liked how the episode explored who Teyla was and her history. She had largley been a mystery before this episode so I liked the exploring of Teyla and discovering more about Teyla's ability to detect Wraith. What really interested me is that the episode was not just about Teyla it also brought more insight into who the Wraith are as a people and who they came to the situation as they are. I really did not care for the big reveal that the Wraith are coming for Earth. That was kind of already known in my frame of mind

zbir
October 10th, 2013, 03:36 PM
This episode containts one of my favorite McKay moments:

"Now what was that we were supposed to all remember? It was something important ... uh, oh yes, that's right -- the Alamo! "

So funny and yet so appropriate for the gravity of their situation

mrscopterdoc
August 20th, 2014, 09:32 AM
I like Teyla, and I like the wraith, but this episode really just didn't do anything for me.

Janet Fraiser
August 21st, 2015, 07:58 AM
Holy jump scares! I know SGA is the creepy show, but I wasn't expecting to react like I did multiple times in this ep to seeing John "dead" and Teyla as a wraith. Oy.

Falcon Horus
August 21st, 2015, 04:12 PM
But Kate didn't scare you, did she?

:)

Janet Fraiser
August 21st, 2015, 05:25 PM
But Kate didn't scare you, did she?

:)

Are you kidding? She was terrifying.

;)

Kate was great. I admit I don't remember her from my first time watching, but I like that they had a psychologist at the base. She definitely should have lasted; she would have provided some good opportunities to explore the characters' traumas, anxieties, and general emotional development in a way that is largely absent from both SG-1 and SGA.

But, of course, that would be the understatement of the year to you. :P

Falcon Horus
August 22nd, 2015, 01:22 AM
Kate was great. I admit I don't remember her from my first time watching, but I like that they had a psychologist at the base. She definitely should have lasted; she would have provided some good opportunities to explore the characters' traumas, anxieties, and general emotional development in a way that is largely absent from both SG-1 and SGA.

But, of course, that would be the understatement of the year to you. :P

Nah... :p

garhkal
August 22nd, 2015, 01:41 AM
Personally, i also would have loved to see more exposition with Katie.. But like you said, we never really got into the psycho-analyzing that these people should have been having consistently with what they went through time after time..