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November 7th, 2004, 06:26 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>LETTERS FROM PEGASUS</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 117</FONT>
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With a brief opportunity to send a data transmission to Earth, members of the Atlantis expedition compose video messages home to their loved ones.

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alz0rz
January 10th, 2005, 06:29 PM
1st post :) - I'm about to watch this - Thanks for getting this up for us Darren!

corey2002
January 10th, 2005, 06:42 PM
all in all the ep was cool but it was a bit slow-it was a clip/recapping/whatever "Politics" was kind of ep. it was still cool though

i was really surprised (and excited)when AT's name showed up in the credits at the beginning-too bad she only had a 3 second part(one line)

are wraith hive ships all that big? what where those smaller ships(the ones bigger than the darts but smaller then the(what i am geussing is) hive ships?-cargo maby?

Major Tyler
January 10th, 2005, 06:42 PM
What a great episode!! ;)

Merlin7
January 10th, 2005, 06:47 PM
So what happened? Details please. I hear Teyla is mad at Shep. What's up?

BuzzardB
January 10th, 2005, 06:48 PM
Not bad, but not the best :/



I wish they spent less time on the past episode clips and a little more time with the recieving of the letters buy the SGC.

Brendan
January 10th, 2005, 06:48 PM
Are we allowed to give spoilers out? Or do we have to use that spoiler text?

Alpha17X
January 10th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Are we allowed to give spoilers out? Or do we have to use that spoiler text?

Spoiler thread. thats why we have this section. spoil away!

Erik Pasternak
January 10th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Are we allowed to give spoilers out? Or do we have to use that spoiler text?
As long as they are for this episode only, you are more than welcome to. Any other Atlantis episode, or any SG-1 ep in seasons 7+ need spoiler warnings.

TOA
January 10th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Well this episode fulfills the yearly stargate tradition: The recap before the big battle.

Mini Summery (this one actually has a plot):
The episode begins with the leaders of atlantis (aka: shep, teyla, mccay, weir, ford) meeting to discuss there options. Ford suggests going back to the world from "childhoods end" and taking their ZPM by force. Teyla and Weir freak and shoot it down. McKay saves the day by suggesting sending a short (cough about 5 hours of video) burst of data through to Earth using their existing power systems. They can only sustain the wormhole for 1.3 seconds though.

Examining the data which reveals that the hive ships are using warp but only for short bursts then entering into normal space. Teyla and Shep decide to go check it out (to gather more intel), conviently chosing a planet Teyla recognizes.

While T&S travel we start to see the atlantis teams mini messages to their families. (this at times funnier then you would think - Pay particular attention to McKay and Bekkett)

When T&S arrive on the planet they immediately go in search of a friend of Teyla's family, when found they give them the warning that the wraith will be there soon. Then Teyla tells the family to meet them at the edge of the forest and they will find them and try and bring them to Atlantis.

<ding> "Are you ready to rumble" <ding>

Shep does NOT like this wanting to get the mission done and get out of there. They bicker back to the jumper and go to check out the Hives.

<comment1> These are NASTY - they are about the size of Asgard motherships (see the oneill) but are acompanied by about 100 darts each along with a number of carriers.

T&S continue to argue.. Teyla is NOT a happy camper with Shep. (sorry shippers)

They return to the planet right ahead of the darts/cull. As they approach the gate the wraith open the gate preventing them from returning to Atlantis.

Shep takes the jumper to the place Teyla had told the family to meet them. T&S are still arguing.

They notice that something weird is happening with the cull - there is a really wicked looking blue light thing happening (you just need to see it). Shep jumps ship to check it out - leaving Teyla to wait for him and the family.

We get to see at this point just how good Ancient cloaking is - as a Wraith soldier walks right up to the (open) entrance to the jumper, while Teyla holds her breath.

<comment2> A word about culling - what you saw during the attack on Althos was NOT a cull. This is very different. Picture dozens/hundreds of darts grabbing every human in sight while systematically destroying ALL infrastructure.

Teyla locates a family and invites them into the jumper (its not the family she wanted to pick up). Shep returns slightly after this.

The wraith then shutdown the gate (so S&T can go back to atlantis) but alas Teyla's family friend still hasnt arrived. More bickering - Shep gives it some more time.

The family (finally) arrives, but during the process has invited like 15 more people. As the straglers cross a field towards the cloaked jumper the wraith cull a bunch - then the remaining family enters the jumper.

Teyla is still not a happy girl.

.... back at atlantis ....
They discuss what S&T found and send off the message.

.... back at SGC .....

Sam recieves the message and announces "its from atlantis"

FIN

This episode has some pretty funny quotes. My favourite is the 1st interview with Beckett and the (ongoing) interview McKay does for himself.

Beckett: What shall ah say?
Ford: Uh...Uh... I miss you... I wish you were here?
Beckett: I wish who was here?
Ford: Uh.... I dunno who do you wish was here?
Beckett: Nobody I wish I wasn't bloody here.
Ford: ...... Doc I gotta lotta people I gotta get to.


(err yeah my folks are brits... maybe I just thought it was funny)

:)

Brendan
January 10th, 2005, 07:00 PM
Spoiler thread. thats why we have this section. spoil away!

Thank you! :cool:

I give this episode 2 out of 4. I hate flashback episodes. HATE THEM!! They're filler that's all they are. The stuff Rodney videotaped was pretty funny and the one part where Weir is talking and they play the Atlantis theme with a montage was nice but again, I hate flashback episodes.

As for the other storyline involving Sheppard and Tayla it was interesting but did we ever find out what that beam was? At first I thought it was a particle cannon and it was going to move around and destroy the village but then when Sheppard made that grimmace I thought it was sucking the life out of the planet.

Oh well. I'm glad they got a letter home and I was a bit annoyed that all Amanda Tappings cameo was was just her sitting down and saying one line. Lame.

MartoufMarty
January 10th, 2005, 07:01 PM
"I can't tell you this, but..."

Well, they said alot but I can't remember what they all said.

Rodney figures that they can compress enough data to fit into 1.3 seconds (because he figures that they can open a wormhole to Earth for that long). They put in all the mission reports and all the information about Atlantis and the Wraith and such... It takes up 0.3 seconds.

Ford is put in charge of personal messages.

Records messages. He says hi to his grandparents, Beckett to his mom (really funny lol.) Rodney records his message on his own. Uses up a whole tape. It goes through it and he's being all macho for a while. Really funny. Starts talking about Sam, basically then just cuts it down to a nice message to his sister.

Elizabeth does a little message to tell the family's of those who died kind of what happens.

That one pony-tailed guy from 38 Minutes used his time to complain about the leadership to Jack. Stupid guy.

Zelenka was hilarious. My mom understood a little bit of what he was saying. It kept on bouncing back and forth between Atlantis rising from the water. He started off saying, "I can't tell you this, but..." and he went on describing everything.

After he was done talking, Ford asked him if he said anything that would require security clearance. Zelenka looks blankly, "Security clearance?"

Also, they figured out near the beginning that the Wraith are stopping every now and then for snacks. They figure out where they were stopping next and Teyla and John go to see what they're dealing with.

They get there, Teyla makes a promise to this family, John says that if they have time they'll pick them up.

The Wraith show up, dial the gate, Teyla and John are trapped cloaked in the jumper.

They wait for the family, John goes to check out this big beamy thing.

Stupid Teyla left the backdoor open a Wraith footsolider almost walked in. But he walked away not knowing a thing.

Four guys (not the ones they were talking to) show up, then John shows up, says it's time to leave (because the gate shut down). Teyla says to wait longer, and if he wasn't going to wait, she'd stay and wait herself.

John and Teyla and the jumper stay. Eventually the family shows up and a bunch other people, but the Wraith darts show up, start beaming people up. They get a bunch of people, dial the gate and get back to Atlantis.

The finish compiling the messages, John gives his regards to any of Sumners family, the message sends off, and the SGC gets it.

There was this really funny part with this one female scientist talking about 'serving the leader of the science division'. Rodney! So funny.

It's just one of those episodes that gets a bad summary because it was mostly talking. You just gotta see it.

"Leadership." Rodney kept on planning to talk about leadership but never did. He did talk about cats and dogs though... And getting mono in high school from this blonde.

Elizabeth also got a message for Simon, and Beckett got to say hi to his mom without crying lol.

The end...

Damn! Someone already beat me to it... :(

alz0rz
January 10th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Well this episode fulfills the yearly stargate tradition: The recap before the big battle.

Mini Summery (this one actually has a plot):
The episode begins with the leaders of atlantis (aka: shep, teyla, mccay, weir, ford) meeting to discuss there options. Ford suggests going back to the world from "childhoods end" and taking their ZPM by force. Teyla and Weir freak and shoot it down. McKay saves the day by suggesting sending a short (cough about 5 hours of video) burst of data through to Earth using their existing power systems. They can only sustain the wormhole for 1.3 seconds though.

Examining the data which reveals that the hive ships are using warp but only for short bursts then entering into normal space. Teyla and Shep decide to go check it out (to gather more intel), conviently chosing a planet Teyla recognizes.

While T&S travel we start to see the atlantis teams mini messages to their families. (this at times funnier then you would think - Pay particular attention to McKay and Bekkett)

When T&S arrive on the planet they immediately go in search of a friend of Teyla's family, when found they give them the warning that the wraith will be there soon. Then Teyla tells the family to meet them at the edge of the forest and they will find them and try and bring them to Atlantis.

<ding> "Are you ready to rumble" <ding>

Shep does NOT like this wanting to get the mission done and get out of there. They bicker back to the jumper and go to check out the Hives.

<comment1> These are NASTY - they are about the size of Asgard motherships (see the oneill) but are acompanied by about 100 darts each along with a number of carriers.

T&S continue to argue.. Teyla is NOT a happy camper with Shep. (sorry shippers)

They return to the planet right ahead of the darts/cull. As they approach the gate the wraith open the gate preventing them from returning to Atlantis.

Shep takes the jumper to the place Teyla had told the family to meet them. T&S are still arguing.

They notice that something weird is happening with the cull - there is a really wicked looking blue light thing happening (you just need to see it). Shep jumps ship to check it out - leaving Teyla to wait for him and the family.

We get to see at this point just how good Ancient cloaking is - as a Wraith soldier walks right up to the (open) entrance to the jumper, while Teyla holds her breath.

<comment2> A word about culling - what you saw during the attack on Althos was NOT a cull. This is very different. Picture dozens/hundreds of darts grabbing every human in sight while systematically destroying ALL infrastructure.

Teyla locates a family and invites them into the jumper (its not the family she wanted to pick up). Shep returns slightly after this.

The wraith then shutdown the gate (so S&T can go back to atlantis) but alas Teyla's family friend still hasnt arrived. More bickering - Shep gives it some more time.

The family (finally) arrives, but during the process has invited like 15 more people. As the straglers cross a field towards the cloaked jumper the wraith cull a bunch - then the remaining family enters the jumper.

Teyla is still not a happy girl.

.... back at atlantis ....
They discuss what S&T found and send off the message.

.... back at SGC .....

Sam recieves the message and announces "its from atlantis"

FIN

This episode has some pretty funny quotes. My favourite is the 1st interview with Beckett and the (ongoing) interview McKay does for himself.

Beckett: What shall ah say?
Ford: Uh...Uh... I miss you... I wish you were here?
Beckett: I wish who was here?
Ford: Uh.... I dunno who do you wish was here?
Beckett: Nobody I wish I wasn't bloody here.
Ford: ...... Doc I gotta lotta people I gotta get to.


(err yeah my folks are brits... maybe I just thought it was funny)

:)

I love you :D

corey2002
January 10th, 2005, 07:02 PM
whati found kind of stupid was that Rodney spent an entire scene talking about how if the message works then atlantis might not have power and the generators might break down or whatever and then when they finally send the thing, TPTB dont even let us know wether or not they have power (or whatever)
the ep just ends(with AT saying "its from Atlantis"-nothing more..... :eek: )

Brendan
January 10th, 2005, 07:08 PM
whati found kind of stupid was that Rodney spent an entire scene talking about how if the message works then atlantis might not have power and the generators might break down or whatever and then when they finally send the thing, TPTB dont even let us know wether or not they have power (or whatever)
the ep just ends(with AT saying "its from pegasus"-nothing more..... :eek: )

I'd assume we'll find out in the next episode. IF the power's up and running then it worked!

MartoufMarty
January 10th, 2005, 07:09 PM
whati found kind of stupid was that Rodney spent an entire scene talking about how if the message works then atlantis might not have power and the generators might break down or whatever and then when they finally send the thing, TPTB dont even let us know wether or not they have power (or whatever)
the ep just ends(with AT saying "its from pegasus"-nothing more..... :eek: )
Wrong!

She said, "It's from Atlantis!"

:P

corey2002
January 10th, 2005, 07:11 PM
there-i changed it

MartoufMarty
January 10th, 2005, 07:20 PM
I got so caught up in writing the summary I forgot to say what I thought about the episode.

I thought it was pretty good.

My mom was complaining about Teyla's wig lol.

I don't really like clip episodes, but this wasn't too bad. Rodney was hilarious. That scientist that was talking about Rodney was hilarious. Talking about how he's all brave and it switched over to a scene where Rodney jumps up, "Ow! Cramp! Cramp!"

And Rodney complaining about a sandwich (being very rude) lol.

Beckett was funny too. "I wish I wasn't here!"

queenselqet31
January 10th, 2005, 07:22 PM
I got so caught up in writing the summary I forgot to say what I thought about the episode.

I thought it was pretty good.

My mom was complaining about Teyla's wig lol.

I don't really like clip episodes, but this wasn't too bad. Rodney was hilarious. That scientist that was talking about Rodney was hilarious. Talking about how he's all brave and it switched over to a scene where Rodney jumps up, "Ow! Cramp! Cramp!"

And Rodney complaining about a sandwich (being very rude) lol.

Beckett was funny too. "I wish I wasn't here!"
Wish I wasn't BLOODY here. :P

And I don't care what people say about Rodney: I LOVE HIM SO MUCH OMG.

corey2002
January 10th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Zelenka (?sp?) and the security clearence thing-lol :D

Buzz Lightyear
January 10th, 2005, 09:06 PM
all in all the ep was cool but it was a bit slow-it was a clip/recapping/whatever "Politics" was kind of ep. it was still cool though


No need for spoiler tags in this thread, as long as the info is about this episode.

IMO, the clips were fairly innocuous, the difference probably being the voiceovers from various characters as the clips were playing. We still got a significant chunk of new material, so much that it didn't feel like the typical clip show. A lot better than "Politics".

Buzz Lightyear
January 10th, 2005, 09:20 PM
I give this episode 2 out of 4. I hate flashback episodes. HATE THEM!! They're filler that's all they are. The stuff Rodney videotaped was pretty funny and the one part where Weir is talking and they play the Atlantis theme with a montage was nice but again, I hate flashback episodes.

As a clip show, I rate it 4/4 -- best clip show I've seen. As a stand-alone ep, I'd still rate it 3/4, the only real negative being I thought the episode ended too quickly. I would have loved to see more of that new Wraith beam or closer encounters with the armada. Also would have liked to see more at the SGC end, receiving the transmission.


Oh well. I'm glad they got a letter home and I was a bit annoyed that all Amanda Tappings cameo was was just her sitting down and saying one line. Lame.

Yeah, I would have liked to have seen more of AT too, but that's the definition of "cameo". ;)

We should be more annoyed at the producers for leading us on by listing her name first amongst the episode guest stars, even ahead of Paul McGillion and he's practically a regular cast member!

aAnubiSs
January 10th, 2005, 09:33 PM
I really loved this episode. Both for it's emotions and story, as well as SFX.

As I love the Wraith. The first, and only, race so far that knows how you really fight in space. A mothership with 100s of Darts and a few smaller support ships. No wonder the Ancients lost the war, they are fighting a race 100% dedicated to warfare.

kryon22
January 10th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Finally, we get to see evidence of Wraith Tech in action...that they've mastered hyperdrive technology too. Here's an interesting idea. If the expedition team is low on power, wouldn't it behoove them to try and study other alternative forms of energy other than the ZPMs. Generators to fuel hyperdrive technology give massive outputs of energy. How about studying the Wraith Hive ship that crashed in the episode The Defiant One? Maybe using a different generator source, one could potentially reap advantages that were previously unavailable to them. After all, the naquadah generators they have now are tied into the city's secondary and primary systems.

Buzz Lightyear
January 10th, 2005, 10:02 PM
I really loved this episode. Both for it's emotions and story, as well as SFX.

As I love the Wraith. The first, and only, race so far that knows how you really fight in space. A mothership with 100s of Darts and a few smaller support ships. No wonder the Ancients lost the war, they are fighting a race 100% dedicated to warfare.

I agree, it was enjoyable from beginning to end.

I'd have to disagree with you about the Wraith though. The Goa'uld System Lords also have armadas, though Anubis' fleet was probably the most impressive of theirs[spoiler for SG-1 S7].

The Ancients lost because (a) they were out-numbered; (b) they were over-confident in their own way of life and technology that they never imagined the existence of something like the Wraith; and (c) they thought they could negotiate with the Wraith.


Finally, we get to see evidence of Wraith Tech in action...that they've mastered hyperdrive technology too. Here's an interesting idea. If the expedition team is low on power, wouldn't it behoove them to try and study other alternative forms of energy other than the ZPMs. Generators to fuel hyperdrive technology give massive outputs of energy. How about studying the Wraith Hive ship that crashed in the episode The Defiant One? Maybe using a different generator source, one could potentially reap advantages that were previously unavailable to them. After all, the naquadah generators they have now are tied into the city's secondary and primary systems.

An excellent point. If the writers/producers could pull something useful from that Wraith wreckage, then it won't feel quite like those two scientists died in vain.

kryon22
January 10th, 2005, 10:37 PM
I suppose that when you factor in how the two different societies operate, it seems a lot more impressive for the Wraith. The Goa'uld are a feudal society. The Wraith operate as a hive. When a race marches as one to war (and in this case, dinner), the results are pretty jaw dropping.

What I also liked about this episode was how they portrayed Dr Weir and how she was gradually coming to grips with the mantle of leadership of a group that has both civilian and military leanings. If you just look at the evolution of the character (never mind that it was tossed between two actresses), it's remarkable how she went from staring gawky at the SGC gate to staring down the Genii.

Vandog
January 10th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Hello there all, spoilers for 8X12 and 8X17. You'll have to excuse me as I don't know the spoil tag.

SPOILERS..






I just quickly wanna comment on the whole "salvaging of the wraith ship". Presumably, the Wraith had been there for 10000 years. He mentioned that he fed on "my crew" so he was probably the Commander/Captain etc. If he couldn't repair the ship, including hyperdrive, in over 10000 years (even though he hibernated a lot) I don't think anyone on Atlantis could do anything. Even if they salavaged a hyperdrive and fixed it, what exactly would they do with it?

Onto the episode. Awesome. Emotional. It didn't feel like it was a clips show. Being someone of Czech Nationality, I really appreciated Zilinka's scene, it was really powerful with those Rising clips. Cheers to everyone of the production team. 3/4 for a gateworld rating IMO, and 4/4 for my personal opinion.









END OF SPOILERS

kryon22
January 10th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Well, I was thinking actually of the generator itself. Sure, they wouldn't be able to use the hyperdrive because they don't have ships large enough, durable enough for hyperspace, but think of what they could do finding an alternative power source...other uses..defence systems, offensive beam weapons for atlantis..etc

Teal'c
January 10th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Clip show? What clip show? There was 2 minutes of clips tops! :P

And Markham got a metion. Poor Markham :(

It was great to see Dr. Ponytail back (Or Kavanagh if you prefer :P) and complaining again. And Zelenka describing the city rising... well, I can only assume that. I'll wait for one of our Czech board members to give us a translation :P

I would have liked to see more about the message at the end. Sam only had one line, I was sitting there when it was showing the wormhole clip thinking I had at least another two minutes of show left :P

Oh, that Wraith armada was just drool worthy. Nothing beats seeing a giant fleet drop out of hyperspace :D

Hopefully we'll hear more about the message in Mobius.

Oh, and I believe the episode was called Letters From Pegasus, plural.

xie1013
January 10th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Can someone tell me exactly what Sheppard said?

DelTrax1
January 11th, 2005, 12:01 AM
I don't know what to think about the episode. I kinda was hoping that it lasted longer than it did. I wanted to hear what the SGC says about the Atlantis team. Hopefully we will find out in the next episode of Sg-1. The Wraith Ships are so cool looking. And what about Teyla and Shepard. I don't want to see them fighting. I do want to see them kiss and make up.

Major Tyler
January 11th, 2005, 12:01 AM
This episode was amazing on so many levels. We had to witness up front the true horror of the Wraith...had to watch helplessly. That was deeply terrifying.

The conflict between Teyla and Sheppard was a very welcome change. People don't always get along and I'm glad they recognized that. Ford actually got to do something, that's a plus. Weir's tribute to the fallen troops (with particular emphasis on Sgt. Markham) was very moving and poignant.

Rodney was quite funny, and I absolutely loved the Japanese scientist! She was so cute! :P :D :P

Strange as it may seem, this was one of my favorite episodes. I wouldn't call this a "clip show." It was more of a reflective show that tried to give us a sense of closure on some of the recent occurances, closure I was yearning for.

Damn I love Atlantis!!

Avreana
January 11th, 2005, 12:55 AM
I agree with most of the others above. I wasn't really looking forward to this one thinking it was a clip show. But I absolutely loved it! One minute I was laughing hysterically, the next crying. Back and forth. And the clips probably only made up 5 minutes of the episode.

I particularly loved Mckay in this episode. (well he is my favourite character)
His message was the funniest thing I have seen in ages. (And a bit sad in parts) We got all kinds of little tidbits about his past. Plus the new flashbacks with him during the Japanese scientist's message. Hilarious.

I loved how we saw all the supporting characters' messages as well. I particularly loved Dr. Beckett's and Zelenka's. And wow do I hate Kavanaugh. I'm glad his character is still around because he is so very fun to hate.

I also couldn't believe that I really liked both Ford and Teyla in this episode. They both had something to do and I think the actors/writers are becoming comfortable with their characters.

So this was a very (suprisingly) good episode. I can't wait for the next three episodes. They are going to kick ass. :D

Carbito
January 11th, 2005, 01:28 AM
This episode was a bit different from the rest of them. In this one the writers seemed to take a bit of a break from the full on action and instead focus on developing the characters further. Its good to see this character development taking place.

lordvader
January 11th, 2005, 03:33 AM
As a clip show, I rate it 4/4 -- best clip show I've seen.

The only good clip show of ANY tv show, was the first Simpson's clip show in series 4. Everyother clip show has sucked, and for sci-fi such as stargate or atlantis, a clip show just means we need to wait 2 weeks to see what happens next, rather than 1 .....

AlphaBlu
January 11th, 2005, 03:56 AM
Well this episode fulfills the yearly stargate tradition: The recap before the big battle.

I'm sorry, but that is such a shallow viewpoint.

This episode was far more than a simple re-cap. Yes, by it's very nature it covered ground that we already knew about and had seen, but when it comes to clips episodes, this is the best example of one I've ever seen.

Letters From Pegasus is an episode that rivals some of the best Atlantis episodes to date. It is filled to the brim with drama, hilarious comedy (done mostly by McKay, who is at the top of his game in this ep) and lots of character interaction and development. The continuity is spot on (seeing Cavanaugh was a big surprise) and the clips were almost non-existent and usually done in montage form or with a voice-over covering them. They were far from the "cut to this episodes" that we've seen in previous Stargate clips shows.

Letters from Pegasus is a truly outstanding episode and is far, far more than a simple clips episode.

BYE

AsgardCarnage
January 11th, 2005, 04:06 AM
great ep, loved it and i agree not a clip show, i've seen longer "last time on buffy the vampire slayer " and other shows then all the clips in this show together.

as for the armarda, now that is the start of a war going people! shep said something like "each hive ship acts as a carrier group, with cruizers and hundreds of darts escorting it" after each hive ship fell out of hyperspace, 3 cruizers that looked about 1/4 the size of the hive ship detached from the hive and then with hundreds of darts coming out of them. either way from the looks of them, the could have sent 1 hive ship and it could wipe out a planet. we havn't seen the weaponary or tacticle attributes of the hive groups but if they have something better and more organzied then the little energy balls that come out of the darts they might be able to give the gou'ld and maybe even the asgaurd a run for their money (not that we know much about how asgaurd fight any enemy other the the replicators)

still i wonder what that blue beam was, i hope we find out that it is something more then the obvius. my first thoughts were some kind of weapon or mass transport. but maybe the writers are better then that and making the wraith smarter and the beam is a way to ensure a planets people are all killed, a way of ensureing diversity of the gene pool or focused breading through out the galaxy moving people from one planet to another?

as for the fight between tayla and sheppard i loved it, i've heard some one say before if u want an interesting story give each side of the argument a valid point of view something that even if u dont agree u can understand where they are coming from and they did. sure we would love to save everyone (like telya was trying) but we need to think of the bigger picture (sheps argument) made me love both charictors more

great ep, not a clip show

AlphaBlu
January 11th, 2005, 04:09 AM
and for sci-fi such as stargate or atlantis, a clip show just means we need to wait 2 weeks to see what happens next, rather than 1 .....

That is such an unbelievably ignorant and stupid opinion.

Politics - We got introduced to Kinsey. That's a MAJOR plot line for Stargate.

Out of Mind - Ok, that sucked...

Disclosure - We got more of Kinsey's storyline, plust he revealing of the Stargate to some major countries, another big plot line for Stargate (the secrecy of it all).

Inauguration - We got to mee the new president and got more of Kinsey's storyline and it helped set up the finale (and set up the introduction for Weir).

And Letters from Pegasus, it wasn't even a damned clips show!

BYE

getchaos
January 11th, 2005, 06:04 AM
Sorry, i interrupt the discussion, but can anybody tell me, when the season finale will be aired.
At the moment the newest episodes come from "movie central" every monday. But will they air "the siege" the week right after "the gift"?
or do we have to wait, till another one like Sci-Fi or Sky-One airs this episode?

aAnubiSs
January 11th, 2005, 06:08 AM
still i wonder what that blue beam was, i hope we find out that it is something more then the obvius. my first thoughts were some kind of weapon or mass transport. but maybe the writers are better then that and making the wraith smarter and the beam is a way to ensure a planets people are all killed, a way of ensureing diversity of the gene pool or focused breading through out the galaxy moving people from one planet to another?

Personally I think they gathered materials for fuel, weapons and other stuff. Having the option to refuel your own carrier group is priceless. Also it would make sense for a race 100% focused on warfare to have this technology.

lordvader
January 11th, 2005, 06:44 AM
While I'm at it, Teyla's really starting to get on my nerves.
I hope on the next clip show, they'll be reminiscing on her funeral service.

AsgardCarnage
January 11th, 2005, 06:47 AM
Personally I think they gathered materials for fuel, weapons and other stuff. Having the option to refuel your own carrier group is priceless. Also it would make sense for a race 100% focused on warfare to have this technology.

that sounds better, i didn't think of that. make sence because teyla said she has never seen anything like it before, if it was relication or something they would do it heaps. gathering raw materials they wouldn't need to do as much.

honzix
January 11th, 2005, 07:36 AM
This was really a great episode. Much more than I had expected to be.
I don´t whether it has been done before, but I´ll give it a try. This is a translation of what Zelenka was saying during the clips from Rising:

"We have a fail safe mechanism at the bottom of the sea. A huge energy ripped off the anchor of the city from the bottom of the ocean. We were terrified, that´s what we were. It was unbelievable. What´s happening? And the noise, the entire city was shaking, like by an earthquake. It was something unbelievable and suddenly we are moving. The whole city was rising, it was rising up to the sea level. It was unbelievable and the towers broke the water and we went up and up. Waters, waves, waterfalls, everything dripping down from the heights. We climbed up to the very top of it and suddenly there was the sun, just the sun. It shined to all windows. I won´t forget it till my death."

That´s pretty much it. I did my best :)

veneticuss
January 11th, 2005, 07:41 AM
OMG, Dr. ZELENKA rulezzz :D

btw, i was just to make the translation ;)

dolmata
January 11th, 2005, 08:03 AM
I think the blue beam was a way to transport all humans up to the hive ship. The darts would fly around and fill up with people, then drop off their cargo to the blue beam to be taken up to a hive ship. Once they were empty the darts would fly around and find more people. Also the ground troops had to get the stragglers up to the ship somehow. Stun them and drag them to the blue beam. Just a guess...

Stargate Agent
January 11th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Another great episode for the first season of Atlantis.

Character development and story development is very high for a show at this stage. Most shows barely get off the ground in season one, Atlantis however is already developing excellent stories.

After seeing the REAL threat from the wraith ships one has to be a little worried about what will Atlantis do to repeal this threat. Obviously they need a ZPM to activate the shield.

I wouldn't call this a clip show cuz they just used a couple flashback sequences but it wasn't enough clips to whine about it being a clip show. I have to agree that Zelenka talking about classified material was pretty funny.

I am really beginning to hate that guy(can't remember his name now) who is talking [email protected]#$ about Weir and the rest of the Atlantis expedition. Most of his complaints are petty and hope this character dies a horrible death at the hand of the Wraith or something.

Although I am wondering a bit why Atlantis didn't try to send a message before...I guess they were worried about losing their power generators in the process, unforunately we will have to wait till the next episode to see what happened to the power generators.

I am glad this show isn't becoming a Stargate: Voyager so to speak where they get stranded till the last season like that Star Trek show, which limited in the amount of things it could do with storyline. Atlantis' mission is to repel the wraith and defend atlantis. They are not always trying to get home or leave Atlantis.

Anyway definately one of the better episodes of the season, I really like crossover's with other shows which this one had a brief spot at the end with Col. Carter.

I have heard rumors of them showing the Seige before the Gift?? Anyone know a definate answer on this?? Stargate SG-1 Archive is saying that the Gift is the next episode...

Bossman
January 11th, 2005, 08:28 AM
This is by far one of the better ep's of Atlantis Season 1.

I mean, when I saw the Wraith fleet drop out of hyperspace I was like: "Whoa', this is far worse than I thought" :eek:

More importantly, the Hive Ships look amazing, and the idea that they each have 3 cruisers atached to them is very cool.

BTW, I don't want to sound negative, because that would be oh so not me™ :D, but ... I have a feeling that the Daedalus isn't going to last very long in The Siege ;)

Lightning
January 11th, 2005, 08:31 AM
After all the talk about how they had to be careful not to violate securtiy clearance, is it not a massive breach in security clearance for the Japanese scientist to record her personal message while wearing a jacket which has a patch that you can cleary see on her right arm saying ATLANTIS!?!?! hehehehe

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Interesting episode not the best episode of second half of the season but I still thought it was quite good. IMO it was not a clip-show episodes it was mixture of clip-show and a normal episode. Very funny episode probably the funniest episode of the season Mackay and leadership thing was hilarious. Great to see wraith tech finally although I was expecting hive-ships to be a lot bigger then they were. We still didn’t find out what that wraith beam was for maybe in the next episode we may learn more about it. I thought Dr Weir character has developed a lot since the start of the season she looked great very convincing as leader. Overall not a bad episode.

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Sorry, i interrupt the discussion, but can anybody tell me, when the season finale will be aired.
At the moment the newest episodes come from "movie central" every monday. But will they air "the siege" the week right after "the gift"?
or do we have to wait, till another one like Sci-Fi or Sky-One airs this episode?

As far as I know they will air
“The Gift” – Monday 17/01/05
“The Siege part 1” – Monday 24/01/05
“The Siege part 2” – Monday 31/01/05

honzix
January 11th, 2005, 08:56 AM
OMG, Dr. ZELENKA rulezzz :D

btw, i was just to make the translation ;)

Zelenka is great :)

This time I managed to translate it before you, but next time he speaks Czech it´s gonna be your turn,ok? ;)

Azrial
January 11th, 2005, 09:05 AM
After all the talk about how they had to be careful not to violate securtiy clearance, is it not a massive breach in security clearance for the Japanese scientist to record her personal message while wearing a jacket which has a patch that you can cleary see on her right arm saying ATLANTIS!?!?! hehehehe


I noticed this too.

Also zelenka does his speech in front of a naquadria reactor

becketts is in a a foreign looking medical room

most of the clips are done with atlantis walls as backgrounds

all these things constitute security breachs if the videos are ever shown to the family members.

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 09:20 AM
I noticed this too.

Also zelenka does his speech in front of a naquadria reactor

becketts is in a a foreign looking medical room

most of the clips are done with atlantis walls as backgrounds

all these things constitute security breachs if the videos are ever shown to the family members.

That’s true I was thinking about that my self I think what the USAF will do is blur it out so when the family’s receive the videos they cant’s see what is in the back ground.

January 11th, 2005, 09:58 AM
Great episode. :D

Rodney and Zelenka on the camcorder was funny as hell.

How come Elizabeth couldn't tell her boyfriend Simon, about the stuff that has happened? Didn't he recieve security clearance in Rising?

And it's Letters from Pegasus (sorry, I'm a nitpicker :().

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 11th, 2005, 10:20 AM
<snif...> whoa... (wipes tear from eye, blows nose) <sigh>

There, that's better.

What a wonderful episode, a great character piece. If there was an award show for clip episodes Letters would win in all the categories.

Teyla. Was. Superb! The scenes between her and Sheppard were flawless, IMO, and she really did an excellent job of conveying real anxious fear for her friends.

And what a lovely way to pay homage to those who had already fallen.

Loved Zelenka's part! :) No translation needed!

And Bates! The true soldier, doing it all for his little brother.

I'm looking forward to tons of missing scene fic for this ep, how each character decided to say what at first they couldn't - Goodbye. <snif!> Here I go again!

And MacKay... awww... he still has the hots for Sam! :p
Anyone else think that when MacKay kept bringing up leadership that he was actually(eventually) talking about Weir, Sheppard and Teyla?

I look forward to a scene that puts Jack in the same room with ponytail dude. I think it's safe to say that the word "ass" will come up at least once in that short conversation. :cool:

And is that Asian scientist infatuated with Rodney or what? Too cute! :D

Just, all-in-all, a great ep. I give it a 20 out of 10.

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Great episode. :D

Rodney and Zelenka on the camcorder was funny as hell.

How come Elizabeth couldn't tell her boyfriend Simon, about the stuff that has happened? Didn't he recieve security clearance in Rising?

And it's Letters from Pegasus (sorry, I'm a nitpicker :().

There are diffrent levels of security clearance so therefore Elizabeth could only reveal so much to Simon.

Gaterholic
January 11th, 2005, 10:23 AM
This was my favorite episode to date. I don't know why, but i just really enjoyed it. We got to see everyone at their best and worst. Ford finally got somemore screen time, and some clips from his fight scenes. I hope they use his skill in the future, because up till now, most fight scenes have just been that, normal fights. No one imploying a technique or anything.

I hope the writers don't get into that habit of killing off reoccuring characters that a lot of shows do. Its a good thing for writers because they get to write the emotional episodes that kill off people, without losing a regular, but i do not like it.
Zelenka and Dr. Ponytail, and Bates and Groden, among others make a great support crew that has no need to die.

Question: Teyla siad she had never seen a culling this long before. How has she ever seen any cullings, all the wraith were asleep. Were the little munchie runs that the sleep-guard wraith went on also called Cullings? Either way, she seems to know a lot of intimate detail about a speices that has been asleep for the most part for 500 year

Loved the episode

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 10:29 AM
Question: Teyla siad she had never seen a culling this long before. How has she ever seen any cullings, all the wraith were asleep. Were the little munchie runs that the sleep-guard wraith went on also called Cullings? Either way, she seems to know a lot of intimate detail about a speices that has been asleep for the most part for 500 year

I think this maybe explained in the next episode “The Gift”

Gaterholic
January 11th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Me too. Although my guess is that when she mentions cullings, she means Snack runs. This must have been the first Full blown culling shes seen.

January 11th, 2005, 10:57 AM
There are diffrent levels of security clearance so therefore Elizabeth could only reveal so much to Simon.
I see, that makes sense, thanks.

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 10:59 AM
I see, that makes sense, thanks.
Happy to explain it :)

Major Tyler
January 11th, 2005, 12:25 PM
This time I managed to translate it before you, but next time he speaks Czech it's gonna be your turn, ok? ;)Where can we non-Czech speakers read this translation? :)

aAnubiSs
January 11th, 2005, 12:28 PM
"We have a fail safe mechanism at the bottom of the sea. A huge energy ripped off the anchor of the city from the bottom of the ocean. We were terrified, that´s what we were. It was unbelievable. What´s happening? And the noise, the entire city was shaking, like by an earthquake. It was something unbelievable and suddenly we are moving. The whole city was rising, it was rising up to the sea level. It was unbelievable and the towers broke the water and we went up and up. Waters, waves, waterfalls, everything dripping down from the heights. We climbed up to the very top of it and suddenly there was the sun, just the sun. It shined to all windows. I won´t forget it till my death."

errr. pie

Major Tyler
January 11th, 2005, 12:34 PM
errr. pieThanks, I guess I breezed right over it. :o

uhhh. cake

alz0rz
January 11th, 2005, 12:36 PM
For the people who said what AT said, she said 1 word not 3 words - Sgt. Harriman said "Who's it from" she said "............. Atlantis" :D

IMForeman
January 11th, 2005, 12:36 PM
I think this was an awesome episode. A great deal of quality character moments, and some very nice continuity thrown in for good measure. These are the kind of scenes that make the Stargate's special: they know how to make their people believable and interesting.

-IMF

Taonas
January 11th, 2005, 12:58 PM
I actually liked this clip episode, but then again it's not really a clip episode is it. Most of those are in one or two rooms with very little or no new CGI/SFX stuff, character developpement or heavy addition to storyline.

This one had all that. My favourite non-comedy part of the episode is the wraith ships coming out of hyperspace. Each one of those things had three cruisers, and about a hundred darts so basically the attacking force is (approximately):
3 Hive Ships
9 Cruisers
300 Darts
+ who knows how many footsoldiers

I CAN'T WAIT FOR "The Siege"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harlan
January 11th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Oh my god ! Such an amazing episode !!!

David Hewlett is definitely one of the best Stargate Universe actors,
and Rodney McKay is once more one of my favorite SG characters !
He's so great in the video-cam moments ! He's amazing !
Each Atlantis episode makes me a bigger McKay fan !!!
He made me LOL and LOL again in this episode !
Thanks David Hewlett, you're great :) !

And I was also LOL when I imagined O'Neill watching the Kavanagh video ...
I imagine Jack watching this geek speaking with his proofs against Weir and all ...
I'm sure O'Neill will cut the video within the 1st minute :D !

Hatcheter
January 11th, 2005, 01:18 PM
They people behind Stargate have gotten really good at making their clip shows significant parts of the storyline. 'Disclosure' and 'Innaguration' were both enjoyable episodes, and didn't rely on too many clips (especially 'Innaguration'), and 'Letters From Pegasus' is another improvment on the formula.

Somebody described it as the "yearly recap before the big battle". Looking at the episodes that are coming, I think there's another line that sums it up nicely: The deep breath before the plunge. Everybody gets a chance to review what they've been through over the last year, and look at the dangers they face ahead with clear eyes.

I don't think Cavanaugh knows General O'Neill very well, if he's going to send his list of complaints to him. The things he mentioned are more likely to endear Dr. Weir to the general. :D

We finally saw the hive ships! This is the first close shot we've seen of them in action. They're a lot sleeker than I had thought they would be. And with the docked cruisers and who knows how many fighters, they're going to be really nasty to fight. If they took on the Ancients, I'm guessing they could carve their way through the the Milky Way with ease.

joasia
January 11th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Wrong!

She said, "It's from Atlantis!"

:P

Wrong - she said only "Atlantis" :P :P

joasia
January 11th, 2005, 01:42 PM
Zelenka was hilarious. My mom understood a little bit of what he was saying. It kept on bouncing back and forth between Atlantis rising from the water. He started off saying, "I can't tell you this, but..." and he went on describing everything.

Erm, no. Zelenka started right away from "On the bottom of the sea"...

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Any one know how to get screen caps from BSPlayer or Windows Media Player I just want post the pics of Wraith ships for those who want to know.

Lt. Elliot
January 11th, 2005, 01:56 PM
I finally saw the episode! A few things for me:
1. Best episode of Atlantis to date!
2. Best clip show of SG-1 and Atlantis...amazing the way they did it!
3. The culling was just...intense. I could feel the adrenaline rushing, it was amazing yet horrifying to watch.

*sniff* I am a proud man, but i can say that the very end, starting with Major Sheppard's message to Colonel Sumner's family and ending with Colonel Carter recieving the message really got me. *tear* I may have cried a little, especially with everyone saying good-bye and Dr. Weir's message to Simon. I have to say it may be my favorite episode of both series.

nthanki
January 11th, 2005, 02:06 PM
As I love the Wraith. The first, and only, race so far that knows how you really fight in space. A mothership with 100s of Darts and a few smaller support ships. No wonder the Ancients lost the war, they are fighting a race 100% dedicated to warfare.
Yeah I agree.
Reminded me of Battlestar Galactica when the human ships were running from the cylons. the way the ships came out of hyperspace were quite similar.
The SFX in stargate (both shows) are abolutely stunning and this episode confirmed it. Not only was the SFX brilliant but the music was really touching. i love the ancients/atlantis themed music, it really sends that tingling feeling through my body.

MartoufMarty
January 11th, 2005, 02:14 PM
Zelenka did at some point say, "I can't tell you this, but..."

My mom speaks quite a bit of Czech and Russian and Ukranian (grew up with those languages basically) and she was listening to it and doing a bit of translating.

And I know that I was wrong about 'it's from Atlantis'... I was excited okay? :P I was typing too fast and such :P

Calicto
January 11th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Good Episode.
Definitely atleast a 7/10.

I liked the personal monologues. I have fallen in love with the Wraith and hopefully, we will produce little Wraith-Calicto babies. They just rock.

I loved the enemy from Chronicles of Riddick and the way that there technology was gas like. And the Wraith have embodied that style in terms of ships.

God. Wraith rock. I loved how swarms of Darts starting flying out everywhere! It was awesome.

I think the white light in the middle was some type of transportation for Wraith warriors to arrive on to the settlement to cull the rest. Culling is pretty awesome.

The Wraith-Teyla thing was nice. Zelenka is my hero.

I cant wait until next Monday and the Monday after that and the Monday after that.

I'm going to say it. I love Atlantis more than SG-1. There.. It's blasphemy, but its true. THeres much more continuity.

Easter Lily
January 11th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Letters From Pegasus is an episode that rivals some of the best Atlantis episodes to date. It is filled to the brim with drama, hilarious comedy (done mostly by McKay, who is at the top of his game in this ep) and lots of character interaction and development. The continuity is spot on (seeing Cavanaugh was a big surprise) and the clips were almost non-existent and usually done in montage form or with a voice-over covering them. They were far from the "cut to this episodes" that we've seen in previous Stargate clips shows.
Letters from Pegasus is a truly outstanding episode and is far, far more than a simple clips episode.

Absobloominglutely... ;)
What a deeply moving episode... it certainly evoked a gamut of emotions from me... from laughter to sympathy to anger to fear. All aspects of the human element was wonderfully contrasted with the Wraith's callous and pervading presence.The emotional depth of the episode was made all the more heartwrenching by both humour and that ever increasing sense of urgency that the Wraith are not too far away. It was ingenious really to juxtapose the humour with that underlying sense of doom.
I liked the tension between Teyla and Sheppard... it was reminiscent of some of the early Daniel Jackson/Jack O'Neill sparrings. There was an interesting edge to Sheppard in this scenario that reminded us that for all his joviality, when push comes to shove he is a military man at heart (a la Hot Zone). However, that was contrasted again with his much more subdued demeanour at the end of the episode.
For the first time in the entire season Sgt Bates actually struck a chord with me. His thinly veiled fear of what is to come revealed that personable side of him very effectively.
Was the ever stoic Elizabeth Weir choking back tears?... I think she was and I liked her the more for it.

Amazing performances all round... I cannot believe how good Atlantis has been so far...

Stargate Agent
January 11th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I am gonna squeel like a little girl when The Seige is aired!!!!!!

Ohper
January 11th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Best. Clip Show. Ever.

Let's break it down:

- The comedy!! The asian woman, McKay talking about "leadership", Beckett's "fungus", Zelenka's "security clearance", Kavangahamarama's whining....priceless stuff.

- The action!! The flashbacks were well-placed and they were all excellent. Most importantly, they did NOT detract from the show like many "clip shows" have had in the past.

- The Wraith Armada!! Three raging hive ships (anyone else think they looked like wraith darts on Naquadah-enhanced steroids?), the battle cruiser type deals, and a boatload of darts! I can't WAIT for the freaking SIEGE!

- My thoughts on the Big Blue Wraith Beam of Doom: I immediatly saw it as a "drop point" of sorts, where the darts can deposit their current load of captured humans and then go out for more. Opinions?

Overall, this episode is second only to a few.

Ohper
January 11th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Was the ever stoic Elizabeth Weir choking back tears?

No. The ever expressionless Torri Higginson got some acting lessons ;)

Azrial
January 11th, 2005, 03:33 PM
How come Elizabeth couldn't tell her boyfriend Simon, about the stuff that has happened? Didn't he recieve security clearance in Rising?



Pretty sure Simon didn't get his clearence till after she had gone to atlantis. So she has no way of knowing that he saw the tape she made for him

Ohper
January 11th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Still, she could've made the full tape and then presumed that the SGC would do a bit of editing.

kodamawu
January 11th, 2005, 04:43 PM
i dunno, it was an ok episode, and i guess somewhere along the lines we had to get a flashback episode, but it just reaked of voyager to me... i mean im certainly glad we're not going to have them stranded forever like voyager, and there was enough new stuff in the episode to keep me engaged. i thought it was funny how amanda tapping's name was in the opening, and she appears for like a minute at the very end of the episode. i saw her name and was jumping up and down thinking she'll make a cool appearance, but its nothing special. i wonder what wouldve happened if we just threw some1 through the gate in the 1.3 seconds... and is it just me or did it seem like the gate was open for a whole lot longer than 1.3 seconds? just my own opinion.

Ohper
January 11th, 2005, 04:58 PM
is it just me or did it seem like the gate was open for a whole lot longer than 1.3 seconds?

From the splash (on the SGC's side) to shutdown was about ten seconds. McKay knows his stuff ;)

dolmata
January 11th, 2005, 05:00 PM
- My thoughts on the Big Blue Wraith Beam of Doom: I immediatly saw it as a "drop point" of sorts, where the darts can deposit their current load of captured humans and then go out for more. Opinions?

Overall, this episode is second only to a few.

That's what I said on page 3! ;)
It would seem that the humans have to get up to the hive ships somehow, so why not a big blue beam. :)

dolmata
January 11th, 2005, 05:05 PM
From the splash (on the SGC's side) to shutdown was about ten seconds. McKay knows his stuff ;)

Didn't we learn a while back that the dialing gate needs only enough power to create a wormhole and that once the wormhole was established it's power was maintained by the remote gate? I can't remember the episode, but does anyone remember this? Maybe I'm confused :S

AtlantisRising
January 11th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Well, I must say I really enjoyed everything about this episode. It didnt dissapoint me at all. Then again, I go into an episode with no opinion about it. I watch it, then determine.

This one is going near the top of my favorite episodes list.

And Zelenka is the best! I love his character!!!

somme
January 11th, 2005, 05:10 PM
Didn't we learn a while back that the dialing gate needs only enough power to create a wormhole and that once the wormhole was established it's power was maintained by the remote gate? I can't remember the episode, but does anyone remember this? Maybe I'm confused :S

something like that. lol

Well it doesn't matter. Atlantis rocks, it's the best sci-fi show around. And let's hope it's around for another 9 years. :)

Mio
January 11th, 2005, 05:12 PM
As always, superb.

I really want to know what that neat looking bright beam of light was, though.

Ohper
January 11th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Didn't we learn a while back that the dialing gate needs only enough power to create a wormhole and that once the wormhole was established it's power was maintained by the remote gate? I can't remember the episode, but does anyone remember this? Maybe I'm confused :S

Aside from a few inconsistencies in SG-1, it appears that wormholes can be powered from EITHER end. However:

1) The SGC can't generate enough power to sustain an intergalactic wormhole. If they could, they wouldn't need ZPM's so badly.

2) I don't think it works that way in the case of the SGC. It works with a DHD, because they have those fantastic power crystals and a way-beyond-everyone method of delivering the power. It would work with the mist planet from "Home", because the mist is all around the Gate and the Gate is a superconductor. I don't think the Gate would be able to "suck" power from the transformers and other electrical jibjab in the SGC, even if there was enough.

Mr. Seven
January 11th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Awesome episode!


My favorite part was the Korean lady's sentiments about McCay that led to some hilarious flashbacks with him. His own monologue was equally funny.

Sheperds speech to Sumners family was also a nice touch. They definetly could use Sumner at a time like this.

A nice Bates and Ford moment too. I am starting to think that these two are relative equals in terms of ranking (although Ford is an officer, you could say he outranks the enlisted men).

Teyla and Shep on the planet was kind of slow moving, too bad they didn't reveal the new Wraith weapon(?) though.

I hated that weasel with the pony tail selling out Weir over a personal vendetta. Ford should edit all that **** out of the tape. I was hoping that guy was going to get axed soon. Oh well.

Mio
January 11th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I hated that weasel with the pony tail selling out Weir over a personal vendetta. Ford should edit all that **** out of the tape. I was hoping that guy was going to get axed soon. Oh well.

Ford might get Weir to look at the tape. Teehee.....

KayMan2k
January 11th, 2005, 07:18 PM
it just reaked of voyager to me...

Exactly! I thought it was like that Voyager episode where they could stabilize a wormhole for a few moments to send messages back to Earth :rolleyes: ... and again when they each had 2.7 minutes to talk with loved ones back home.

But the episode gave some good character development (well, except for Aiden as usual) and we were reminded of the horror of a wraith culling. What was that weapon Sheppard got a closer look at?

Glad for the few seconds of crossover to let us know that SGC recieved the message.

Merlin7
January 11th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Okay...I haven't seen the ep yet but I've seen the pics and read the transcript. Here's something a FRIEND of mine picked up on and I confirmed it with pics. <She has seen the ep>

When Sheppard sends his message to SUMNER he's in front of one background. When he says "Goodbye" He's in front of a different background and to his right <As you're looking at him> in the background is the JOHNNY CASH poster/pic from his BACHELOR pad in the HOME ep.

Inside Joke? Or what??

Easter Lily
January 11th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Awesome episode! My favorite part was the Korean lady's sentiments about McCay that led to some hilarious flashbacks with him. His own monologue was equally funny.

She was from the Land of the Rising Sun (Japan) if you look at the flag on her sleeve... but she sounded Korean to me as well... I laughed out loud everytime McKay opened his mouth in this episode except when he talked about his sister... that was very moving.

Dallista
January 11th, 2005, 11:18 PM
One of my favorite Atlantis episodes, and definitely the best clip show I've ever seen on Stargate, period. Mostly because it didn't feel like a clip show. It didn't feel like they had to make a cheap episode. The clips were just really short flashes, fit the story very well. And there was still a lot of new off-world action, something you just don't see in your average clipshow.
I like how McKay shares his feeling for Sam, and then it turns out to be Sam who receives the transmission. I'd love to have seen her reaction to his declaration of love! (Not in a shipper sense, mind you, but it really shows to me how much McKay has already changed; he'd never have said stuff like that a year ago. So I'd like to have known if Sam would've been as surprised about it and realize this is not the same McKay anymore... or if it is, that he's finally allowed himself to show more of his emotional side.)

Bossman
January 12th, 2005, 12:07 AM
- The Wraith Armada!! Three raging hive ships (anyone else think they looked like wraith darts on Naquadah-enhanced steroids?), the battle cruiser type deals, and a boatload of darts! I can't WAIT for the freaking SIEGE!

Actually, the Hive Ships and Cruisers looked a lot like the Republic Cruisers from Star Wars: Episode 2 to me (ragarding the shape at least).

joasia
January 12th, 2005, 03:03 AM
Zelenka did at some point say, "I can't tell you this, but..."

My mom speaks quite a bit of Czech and Russian and Ukranian (grew up with those languages basically) and she was listening to it and doing a bit of translating.

I do not speak Czech, but I can certainly say that I spek fluent Polish ;), which is similar. I have tried a few times to find any phrase that I did not understand long enough to be this part but could not. Could you pinpoint it for me?

BTW, did your mother, by any luck, understood what Zelenka said in the "The Brotherhood"? I couldn't understand him at all...

joasia
January 12th, 2005, 03:17 AM
Aside from a few inconsistencies in SG-1, it appears that wormholes can be powered from EITHER end. However:

1) The SGC can't generate enough power to sustain an intergalactic wormhole. If they could, they wouldn't need ZPM's so badly.
Right.



2) I don't think it works that way in the case of the SGC. It works with a DHD, because they have those fantastic power crystals and a way-beyond-everyone method of delivering the power. It would work with the mist planet from "Home", because the mist is all around the Gate and the Gate is a superconductor. I don't think the Gate would be able to "suck" power from the transformers and other electrical jibjab in the SGC, even if there was enough.
Not quite right, I think. Thor on one occasion showed up through a Stargate instead by a ship and when he dialed in the power in SGC have been drained. My guess is it has been an additional power needed to maintain the wormhole. The Asgard must have something special powering their gate or Thor wouldn't make it back.

I'd say that the naquadah generator(s) are powerful enough to dial another galaxy but not to sustain the wormhole longer then few seconds unless the other gate can draw power from some other source.

joasia
January 12th, 2005, 03:23 AM
I hated that weasel with the pony tail selling out Weir over a personal vendetta. Ford should edit all that **** out of the tape. I was hoping that guy was going to get axed soon. Oh well.
No, why? On the contrary, they should do everything to assure that O'Neill will get this message. Whole and uncut. And then find a way for them to meet face-to-face... :D

Buzz Lightyear
January 12th, 2005, 03:25 AM
great ep, loved it and i agree not a clip show, i've seen longer "last time on buffy the vampire slayer " and other shows then all the clips in this show together.


And Letters from Pegasus, it wasn't even a damned clips show!

For those who are interested, I ran a stopwatch on the actual clip segments and came up with a total of just a little over 2 minutes screen time.

veneticuss
January 12th, 2005, 05:09 AM
I do not speak Czech, but I can certainly say that I spek fluent Polish , which is similar. I have tried a few times to find any phrase that I did not understand long enough to be this part but could not. Could you pinpoint it for me?

BTW, did your mother, by any luck, understood what Zelenka said in the "The Brotherhood"? I couldn't understand him at all...


There's a new thread called "Dr. Zelenkas Complete translations"

MartoufMarty
January 12th, 2005, 06:17 AM
I do not speak Czech, but I can certainly say that I spek fluent Polish ;), which is similar. I have tried a few times to find any phrase that I did not understand long enough to be this part but could not. Could you pinpoint it for me?

BTW, did your mother, by any luck, understood what Zelenka said in the "The Brotherhood"? I couldn't understand him at all...

I don't know exactly when he said it. I don't understand a word (except this one phrase lol) of Czech. She was listening to what he was saying and understood that much and a little more, but it was obvious what he was talking about lol.

She was away from the television at the time that part was on so I don' t know :P

somme
January 12th, 2005, 06:26 AM
I thought there was a drain in power when Thor came so they couldn't close the Iris and squish him.

WarriorOfRovac
January 12th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Yeah i no this is just a tv programme and none of it is real, but i found this episode very emotional, i cant explain it, i was on the verge of tears with the short clips of each saying goodbye and that some of them may not make it back to earth, there were some humorous bits, Carson, you the man, i felt that this ep would have made an excellent season finale

Ohper
January 12th, 2005, 11:43 AM
I thought there was a drain in power when Thor came so they couldn't close the Iris and squish him.

True. But Thor actually knows what he's doing.

Easter Lily
January 12th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Maybe you technical types here can help me. Mr E.L. was commenting on what he thought was a typical Stargate inconsistency... he was surprised that the message from Atlantis could could be relayed through the iris. Is there a precedent to this? Or is it one of these Stargate plotholes that we're just supposed to ignore (like aliens speaking English) and assume that it just happens. He used Anubis' attack on the Stargate on a previous occasion as an example of its improbability.

Ugly Pig
January 12th, 2005, 04:45 PM
Man, what a mushy, crappy piece of crap! That was, like, the worst thing ever!! Everyone involved in the production of this steaming pile ought to be dragged out into the street and brutally beaten!!!

Come on, Piggy, tell us how you really feel! :)

Hmm... Maybe I should. (I guess you guys didn't buy that, huh?) Okay, here goes:


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Letters From Pegasus'

Well, that was unexpected. I've always thought that Stargate did good clip shows, but I was still prepared for an episode that would probably be mostly fluff. Boy, was I wrong. Because this was as enjoyable an episode as I could ever have hoped for. I just really hope that no-one will avoid seeing this episode because they fear anything that smells of "cheap clip-show". Some folks will automatically dislike any episode just because of that. And that pisses me off. Because, in case you didn't guess it by now, I loved this episode. Every last second of it.

And can it even be called a clip show? The clips from previous episodes were not only relatively few, short and mostly far between, but they were extremely well utilized. In fact, it almost seems like they were used with the specific intent of making a good show, rather than for budget reasons. I mean, look at everything that happens in this episode - this was not a cheap one, for sure.

For one thing, we see (for the first time) an all-out Wraith kulling. And it was gruesome. It almost felt like a realistic war movie. Even though all the death and destruction is only seen from a distance, it felt, as Sheppard said, "bad". If the Wraith never came across as being as menacing as they should, if their "space vampire" routine isn't really that scary, this is. The Wraith are now officially as evil and as powerful and as scary as I, for one, would ever want them to be.

And you know what? I was actually afraid that Teyla's friends, that nice family, wouldn't make it, and I was relieved when they did. I admit it - I'm an emotional pig, and this episode did a whole lot for me in that department. When Weir was recording the messages for the families of dead team members, intercut with footage of their deaths (brilliant sequence, by the way!), I really got the sense that even though we never got to know and love these characters much (the only one whose name I remembered was Markham), each and every one of their deaths was a deep and horrible personal tragedy to someone, somewhere. I also loved the scene at the end, where she addresses the families of all of the expedition members and talks about their bravery as we watch examples of it. (Great use of the Atlantis theme in the score, right there!)

Basically, I now feel that I have an emotional connection to the Atlantis expedition as a whole. I wish for McKay to be reunited with his sister (and his cat!), I want Bates to get to go home and see his little brother again, I hope Beckett will see his mother again. And the same for Ford with his grandparents... While he still hasn't gotten a whole lot of character development, he did get something to do in this episode besides following Sheppard around, as well as significant screentime. And, hey, I like him.

Right now, the only member of the expedition I dislike is Ego Guy (I'm not sure, but I believe his real name is Kavanagh?). Man, this guy's just hell-bent on making us hate him, isn't he? First time we see him he wastes everyone's time when time is extremely precious and six lives are on the line just because his ego was hurt. Now, he's using his only opportunity to send a personal message home to badmouth Weir for no other real reason than a personal grudge. I wasn't expecting to see this guy again since he's only appeared in one episode early on and been absent ever since, but now I'm thinking that the writers are probably going somewhere with him. We'll see, I guess.

Random observations!
- What was that blue beam Sheppard and Teyla saw during the kulling? At first I thought it was a previously unseen Wraith weapon, but on my second viewing (yes, I've seen the episode twice) I noticed that it shot up from the ground below, rather than down from a Wraith ship. Although I suppose that doesn't exclude the possibility of it being a Wraith weapon... I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
- Loved the clip of the city surfacing from 'Rising' with Zelenka's narration. Like last week, I fully expect the Czech guys to provide us with a translation (although I'm sure they already have... I haven't been reading anything since the episode aired.)
- So, McKay wants to know the ending of 'The Sixth Sense'? I'm sure Sam could have told him, we know she's been watching M. Night Shyamalan movies... ;)
- Could this be the beginnings of a larger conflict between Sheppard (alternatively, the military in general) and Teyla?
- This is the second episode in a row that follows up on something from the previous ep. Looks like this will keep up for the rest of the season, at least... I think we're in for a heck of a climax.

Okay... This may change (and probably will, depending on my mood), and it's too early to tell if it will hold up on repeat viewing, but as of right now 'Letters From Pegasus' is my favorite episode. Time to pull out the ol'


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Fox McCloud
January 12th, 2005, 05:44 PM
Dunno if its been mentioned (be buggered if im gonna read a 6 page thread at 2am) but did anyone notice that at the end, when the gate locked with earth, Carter/Walter couldnt really give a **** about this particular incoming unscheduled wormhole.

Wouldnt all 8 chevrons have lit up and they wouldve been like "Oh my god, either the asgard or !!ATLANTIS!!" but nope. It was like "hmm, what was that, it only lasted 1 sec, aw well. ...whats that on your laptop ?" and only then it was like "ITS ATLANTIS !!"

..? Or dont all 8 chevrons lock on the oter side ?

Oh and the whole Kavanagh thing, is probably the reason why shes kinda getting replaced by that dude. Not replaced as in gone, but she aint super leader anymore.

ERm, yeh, didnt explain very well but..draw your own conclusions :) *runs away*

Mio
January 12th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Dunno if its been mentioned (be buggered if im gonna read a 6 page thread at 2am) but did anyone notice that at the end, when the gate locked with earth, Carter/Walter couldnt really give a **** about this particular incoming unscheduled wormhole.

Wouldnt all 8 chevrons have lit up and they wouldve been like "Oh my god, either the asgard or !!ATLANTIS!!" but nope. It was like "hmm, what was that, it only lasted 1 sec, aw well. ...whats that on your laptop ?" and only then it was like "ITS ATLANTIS !!"

..? Or dont all 8 chevrons lock on the oter side ?

Oh and the whole Kavanagh thing, is probably the reason why shes kinda getting replaced by that dude. Not replaced as in gone, but she aint super leader anymore.

ERm, yeh, didnt explain very well but..draw your own conclusions :) *runs away*

It's possible that all 8 chevrons would light up, however, #8 is well hidden, and I just watched the last few seconds again. It was doubtful that the SGC dialing computer would show the 8th chevron, as they've had so few intergalactic incoming wormholes. The dialing computer only showed 7 chevrons locked, which is probably simply a limitation of our equiptment.

Oh well!

Fox McCloud
January 12th, 2005, 06:01 PM
They wouldve had to have coded it in for them to go to Atlantis in the first place.

And if not, the computer screens wouldve gone gone abit bonmkers when the PoO wasnt locked into the 7th chevron, like it did in Fifth Race.

--edit


jsut check the ep, it would seem that 7 chevrons light up on the screen.

still, one has to wonder. they really need to explain these things lol

Mio
January 12th, 2005, 06:22 PM
They wouldve had to have coded it in for them to go to Atlantis in the first place.

And if not, the computer screens wouldve gone gone abit bonmkers when the PoO wasnt locked into the 7th chevron, like it did in Fifth Race.

--edit


jsut check the ep, it would seem that 7 chevrons light up on the screen.

still, one has to wonder. they really need to explain these things lol

Why? An Incoming wormhole would be completely different from an outgoing one. The outgoing part was coded by O'Neill in 'The Fifth Race'.

The Incoming wormhole part just monitors the gate.

mathwizard
January 12th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Maybe you technical types here can help me. Mr E.L. was commenting on what he thought was a typical Stargate inconsistency... he was surprised that the message from Atlantis could could be relayed through the iris. Is there a precedent to this? Or is it one of these Stargate plotholes that we're just supposed to ignore (like aliens speaking English) and assume that it just happens. He used Anubis' attack on the Stargate on a previous occasion as an example of its improbability.

The messages are electromagnetic waves, not matters. They won't get disintegrated. Anyway an example would be GDO code transmission... that would have to pass through the iris obviously :p

Mr. Seven
January 12th, 2005, 08:13 PM
So do you guys think Ford kept all of McCay's monologues in the outgoing transmission? I have to say it would be funny if he did.

I laughed my butt off at the part where McCay was talking about his dog and talked about his dad not wanting to pay for a license. That was golden. Although I think I have memorized his opening monologue.

Oh and it stinks that we can't go right into the action next episode...

The Teyla spotlight ep better be good.

Teal'c
January 13th, 2005, 09:01 AM
So do you guys think Ford kept all of McCay's monologues in the outgoing transmission? I have to say it would be funny if he did.

I laughed my butt off at the part where McCay was talking about his dog and talked about his dad not wanting to pay for a license. That was golden. Although I think I have memorized his opening monologue.

Oh and it stinks that we can't go right into the action next episode...

The Teyla spotlight ep better be good.
I'm damn sure there'll be action next week too :D

Vyse
January 13th, 2005, 01:55 PM
For those who are interested, I ran a stopwatch on the actual clip segments and came up with a total of just a little over 2 minutes screen time.

Damn, you beat me in posting that! :D
I thought this episode was great. It's because of episodes like these that are about the human side of the story, that the action episodes are great. I don't like it when people don't like episodes like this just because there isn't alot of shooting involved. I got really teary-eyed at the end of the episode, it was very emotional and extremely well done.

Buzz Lightyear
January 13th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Damn, you beat me in posting that! :D
I thought this episode was great. It's because of episodes like these that are about the human side of the story, that the action episodes are great. I don't like it when people don't like episodes like this just because there isn't alot of shooting involved. I got really teary-eyed at the end of the episode, it was very emotional and extremely well done.

Heh, I was surprised someone else hadn't posted it earlier, since folks were going on and on about how much they disliked clip shows.

I like the entire Stargate series, even the weaker episodes. The criteria for whether I personally rate an episode highly are very unscientific. If the episode really draws me in as I'm watching, making me laugh, tense up, eagerly anticipate the next few minutes, then it's a winner for me. The ones that bug me usually have more to do with plot developments and characterizations that make me feel frustrated and remind me that I'm just watching a show.

Happily, most of the Atlantis series fits the former criteria while a number of SG-1's S8 eps follow the latter definition.

Vyse
January 13th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Heh, I was surprised someone else hadn't posted it earlier, since folks were going on and on about how much they disliked clip shows.

I like the entire Stargate series, even the weaker episodes. The criteria for whether I personally rate an episode highly are very unscientific. If the episode really draws me in as I'm watching, making me laugh, tense up, eagerly anticipate the next few minutes, then it's a winner for me. The ones that bug me usually have more to do with plot developments and characterizations that make me feel frustrated and remind me that I'm just watching a show.

Happily, most of the Atlantis series fits the former criteria while a number of SG-1's S8 eps follow the latter definition.

I agree that if I enjoy it I like it, but I also greatly enjoy critically analyzing the show's. even though I'll find a bunch of plot holes I'll still enjoy it as long as I find it entertaining. :D

OfF3nSiV3
January 13th, 2005, 05:42 PM
too much to read the damn thread..
i just want to say that teyla is a pain in the ass and the hive ships..oh man..so beautiful and impressive!
when i knew i was going to see live active hive ships i got all excited!
well they lowered my doubt on how they managed to defeat the ancients

tlfoust
January 13th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Not quite right, I think. Thor on one occasion showed up through a Stargate instead by a ship and when he dialed in the power in SGC have been drained. My guess is it has been an additional power needed to maintain the wormhole. The Asgard must have something special powering their gate or Thor wouldn't make it back.


I have to agree that it was asgard technology to prevent the iris from squishing Thor, not a power drain from an intergalactic wormhole.

Spoilers for "Lost City" (highlight to read)
Anubis used the same thing in Lost City before his assualt, and we know he aquired similar asgard technology.

Blend
January 14th, 2005, 06:14 AM
One of the best 'recap' eps ever (in any show). They only had brief clips (seconds in length) from old eps all stitched together, meaning u didnt have to sit and watch things uve already seen in boredom. It was mixed with great special effects (wraith fleet), suspense(sheppard and teyla stuck on planet), humour(the video's of course), getting to see the SGC (Carter and Harriman)..

I was greatly entertained.. 9.5/10 ep IMO

AlphaBlu
January 14th, 2005, 07:06 AM
Everyone notice that they used pretty much the entire Rising sequence? I guess they want to get as much milage out of that expensive FX sequence as they can. ;)

BYE

OfF3nSiV3
January 14th, 2005, 10:08 AM
What the hell was that beam that was connected to a hive ship?
Someone said that it was coming from the surface..maybe it was to transport humans to the ships

Liv
January 14th, 2005, 10:20 AM
Best clip show ever, that's for sure. Having the clips be interwoven with the messages was the perfect way to go.
It was emotional, poignant and humorous. Yet another top episode of Atlantis.

So. Favorite parts of the episode:

The messages. Particularly McKay's, Sheppard's, Beckett's and Zelenka's. (Well, that's almost everybody right there, but let's just go with it. :p ) Oh, and the woman who was admiring McKay's leader abilities. She was adorable and the flashbacks were hysterical.

"Unless you're intentionally trying to blow us up, in which case, excellent work!"

"Ow, ow, okay, cramp, cramp!"

:D

Also, Ford's interaction with Beckett was very funny and cute.

Beckett: "What shall I say?"
Ford: "Uh... I miss you? I wish you were here?"
Beckett: "I wish who was here?"
Ford: "I don't know. Who do you wish was here?"
Beckett: "Nobody! I wish I wasn't bloody here!"

-

Ford: "Dude, fungus?!"

-

Beckett: "She knows I'm from Earth, son, it's not a bloody secret!"

Heh. :D

McKay/Hewlett was just a joy in his recordings. Especially with the counting ("And in 5, 4..."), the cue cards and the various gestures. And nice to see him mention his sister as well.

I liked that Sheppard and Teyla didn't see eye to eye in this one and that Sheppard appeared to be very conflicted throughout.

One thing I'm left wondering, is who Sheppard sent the second message to? :confused: Because I'm sure that he did. Why else would there be a background change in his recording alone? It's not like any of the others moved around and changed scenery.

And the special effects were stunning! I sat in awe and watched those Wraith ships fly by.

So, once again, wonderful episode! :)

OfF3nSiV3
January 14th, 2005, 12:07 PM
I've re-watched the wraith hives fly by some 10 times by now!

Zipacna_fr
January 14th, 2005, 02:43 PM
Something had stauned me :
Both Kavanagh and Weir are opposing Geneva Convention to the experiments on Steve...
1. Geneva Convention doesn't apply on non-human creatures.
2. The Stargate jurisprudence : if aliens' and humans' lifes are in balance, human life primes. Tauris had never hesitated on killing goa'ulds to free the hosts (for example : at least 300 goaulds died in Steveson).
3. The experiment had been realized on a consentant human volonteer. Stricto sensu, Steve was not the cobaye, because the drug had to avoid feeding, not to kill him.

The "Geneva Convention" for Wraith is a bad error of concepts... Totally out of subject. I hope they will forget it.

xie1013
January 14th, 2005, 02:58 PM
After all the talk about how they had to be careful not to violate securtiy clearance, is it not a massive breach in security clearance for the Japanese scientist to record her personal message while wearing a jacket which has a patch that you can cleary see on her right arm saying ATLANTIS!?!?! hehehehe

And who was it that was filmed with a naquadah generator behind them?

Easter Lily
January 14th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Something had stauned me :
Both Kavanagh and Weir are opposing Geneva Convention to the experiments on Steve...
1. Geneva Convention doesn't apply on non-human creatures.
2. The Stargate jurisprudence : if aliens' and humans' lifes are in balance, human life primes. Tauris had never hesitated on killing goa'ulds to free the hosts (for example : at least 300 goaulds died in Steveson).
3. The experiment had been realized on a consentant human volonteer. Stricto sensu, Steve was not the cobaye, because the drug had to avoid feeding, not to kill him.

The "Geneva Convention" for Wraith is a bad error of concepts... Totally out of subject. I hope they will forget it.

I think it was brought up again to show how sanctimonious Kavanagh is... dramatic irony and all that... probably not meant to be taken seriously. I don't think the Wraith believe in treaties anyway... cramps their dietary style.

xie1013
January 14th, 2005, 03:02 PM
They people behind Stargate have gotten really good at making their clip shows significant parts of the storyline. 'Disclosure' and 'Innaguration' were both enjoyable episodes, and didn't rely on too many clips (especially 'Innaguration'), and 'Letters From Pegasus' is another improvment on the formula.

Somebody described it as the "yearly recap before the big battle". Looking at the episodes that are coming, I think there's another line that sums it up nicely: The deep breath before the plunge. Everybody gets a chance to review what they've been through over the last year, and look at the dangers they face ahead with clear eyes.

None of the clips really explained anything, though, unless you were already familiar with the story as a whole. Not a clip show for anyone wanting to join in as a newbie, unlike some of the SG-1 clip shows.

xie1013
January 14th, 2005, 03:05 PM
No. The ever expressionless Torri Higginson got some acting lessons ;)

I think it's more that Weir is supposed to be cool, calm and collected, and on occasions Torri comes across as expressionless. I thought she was really good in LFP compared to, say, how stiff she was in 38 Minutes.

xie1013
January 14th, 2005, 03:08 PM
Pretty sure Simon didn't get his clearence till after she had gone to atlantis. So she has no way of knowing that he saw the tape she made for him

Watching Rising again shows that they hadn't gone yet or at least Simon is watching the vid at the same time as they're leaving. What gets me about that sequence is that she was filmed in their lounge room. Look at the background of the vid. I think she did the video so she wouldn't have to talk to him. She could have at least phoned the poor sap.

Blend
January 14th, 2005, 10:58 PM
Another thing, Ford got lots of character development in this one,
which is interesting timeing due to what weve read about him no longer being a main character anymore. Youd think theyd have done it earlier..

Mr. Seven
January 14th, 2005, 11:10 PM
And who was it that was filmed with a naquadah generator behind them?


Not too mention Zalenka telling the story. Although that will probably be caught when they have someone translate it.

Then there is Beckett talking about Earthlings...

Man, does Weir have her hands full with this crew.

xie1013
January 15th, 2005, 03:53 AM
Another thing, Ford got lots of character development in this one,
which is interesting timeing due to what weve read about him no longer being a main character anymore. Youd think theyd have done it earlier..

I thought it was interesting that although we don't learn much more about Ford than we knew already, it felt like we did due to his interactions with everyone else. Carl Binder is a great writer.

Platschu
January 15th, 2005, 05:12 AM
This was the best episode after Rising. I really liked the monologues, beacuse we could leran so much of the characters. Ford played well. :rolleyes:

The invasion plot was cool too, but the "arrival from hyperspace" effect could be better. I think Teyla'c choice was right, they should have tried to help as many people as possible. :o

dsrbecky
January 15th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Here is my version:

Zelenka: “At the bottom of the sea; we have got a (failsafe)… mechanism. It pulled out an anchor of the city from the bottom of the sea by a huge force. We were terrified… we were terrified by that. Unbelievable! What is happening? And what a hubbub! Whole city was fluttering like during an earthquake. It was something unbelievable. And suddenly…eh…we were moving! Whole city was rising up and up to the surface of a sea. It was something unbelievable! The towers broke through the surface of the sea and we were rising up and up. Such an amount of water! The waves! Waterfalls! All flowing down from such an altitude. We shoot up, up to the sky… and suddenly… sun… simply the beautiful sun. It was shining through all windows… I will remember that… I will remember that my whole life…”

Ford: “You didn’t say anything that would require security clearance, did you?”

Zelenka: “Security Clearance?”

Standback
January 16th, 2005, 10:11 AM
This was a well-done episode. Much impressed. Kudos all around.
One of the really great and unique things about Stargate is that it's made up of Guys Like Us. It's the U.S. military (international contigent, with Atlantis), and they've got real-world military issues, troubles and situations. It gives everything a flavor of realism, and a feeling of connection and familiarity.
In Atlantis, that's harder to keep up, because they're disconnected from all that. The organization is unique to Atlantis. They don't answer to anybody higher up, or have the President or the Russians interfering. Their equipment is Ancient technology, which is undoubtably cool and fun, but it's a lot more remniscent of Star Trek than the US Air Force.
So it's great to see an episode like this, that reminds us: yeah, they may be far off from the familiar military of SG1, but they're still Guys Like Us. They're still connected to home, and to all they've left behind. And to us.
I especially appreciated the attention given to Weir recording messages for the families of those killed. It rings a familiar chord from real life, where deaths (and military deaths in particular) are all too real. Painful, but appreciated, perhaps more appreciated for fictional characters than in real life. And story-wise, it's very gratifying to see that even the obligatory deaths of minor characters are taken very seriously. The show's working hard to avoid Redshirt Syndrome, and doing it well enough for my tastes. Treating throwaway charcters like real people, a wide range of minor recurring characters like Zelenka and Bates, and episodes having ramifications in the immediate future and recalling the immediate past - all these help Atlantis achieve a realism, a vibrancy, a complexity and a believability that are all too rare elsewhere. This show, and "Letters From Pegasus" in particular, is a credit to its writers (and producers, and directors, and actors, and everyone else involved... but I'm rooting for the writers ;) )

Go forth and triumph.

kashi
January 16th, 2005, 07:00 PM
Not a bad episode indeed. I wish they'd spent more time on the SGC receipt of the message and on the wraith culling rather than padding it out with crap.

OfF3nSiV3
January 17th, 2005, 02:06 PM
i find it strange that few mentioned the wraith beam..aren't u interested in knowing what the hell is it?

Quinn Mallory
January 17th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Something had stauned me :
Both Kavanagh and Weir are opposing Geneva Convention to the experiments on Steve...
1. Geneva Convention doesn't apply on non-human creatures.
2. The Stargate jurisprudence : if aliens' and humans' lifes are in balance, human life primes. Tauris had never hesitated on killing goa'ulds to free the hosts (for example : at least 300 goaulds died in Steveson).
3. The experiment had been realized on a consentant human volonteer. Stricto sensu, Steve was not the cobaye, because the drug had to avoid feeding, not to kill him.

The "Geneva Convention" for Wraith is a bad error of concepts... Totally out of subject. I hope they will forget it.


This was done just to make distinct the Atlantis mission which is not a military expedition from the SG-1 missions that are all run by the military.

Kavanaugh is just arguing that this expedition has become more military than to his liking.

This was another very good and touching episode. I was originally discouraged by the credit of all the exerpts in the beginning of the show (thinking this would be a clip show) but that wasn't the case.

Q

Buzz Lightyear
January 18th, 2005, 11:14 AM
I think Teyla'c choice was right, they should have tried to help as many people as possible. :o

But not at the expense of failing to complete their primary mission, which is to collect vital military intelligence on the Wraith and bringing it back to Atlantis.

In the end, they managed to do both, but only because the Wraith had cut them off from the stargate temporarily. They still risked compromising their mission when they took in refugees.

Skydiver
January 19th, 2005, 01:46 PM
And who was it that was filmed with a naquadah generator behind them?

the czech dude

that made me laugh. he was obviously telling the whole story of raising the city...then ford asks him if he told any secrets, with the naq reactor right behind him

Whistler
January 23rd, 2005, 01:44 PM
Fantastic Episode, I loved all the Video Messages, especially Rodney's and Zelenka's. The Shep/Tayla storyline saved it from being exclusively a clip show, which was nice and refreshing. The clip shows this year are fantastic, so so funny! :D

Ah yes, and also it was fantastic to see Ford being used! RSF is definatly good at what he does, he plays Ford well, and I hope that they let him continue that. :)

mryan
February 7th, 2005, 01:57 PM
That part where Teyla is waiting in the puddle jumper with the refugees and she spots Sheppard coming back to the ship...she picks the binoculars up to get a better look and we get a shot of her smiling as she sees him running back.

What I thought was kinda funny about that was for like a brief second there as she's looking through the binoculars she smiles (she's glad to see him returning), but at the same time you hear in the background someone screaming help me because they're under attack from the Wraith. I just thought it was funny that's she's giving that big grin while someone's screaming for help in the background.

michelleb
February 15th, 2005, 01:46 PM
those scenes where elizabeth is recording the messages for the relatives of those who have died in atlantis is just heartbreaking. and rodney too..so funny, then so poignant. this is really good, and nice overview of what's happened so far. love teh idea of teh idiot hating weir and usng his time to tell o'neill about them...much as he annoys me, at least stargate aren't buying into the 'everyone loves the leader' stereotype

lucylou
February 15th, 2005, 03:04 PM
I loved this episode so much! It was great to get more insights into the characters and the people special to them through their video messages and to see their interactions with each other.

Aiden was so cute when he was filming those messages and also very thoughtful and considerate to the people that he was filming. He's a polite young man and we don't always get to see that. RSF is so good in that role and it really is a pity he hasn't been used more because he has so much potential. It was so sweet to see the message Aiden did for his grandparents and to see him doing something other than his military role. He seemed to be in his element filming everyone and the comments he made to his colleagues while they were doing their messages were hilarious. You got to see him being a 24 year old guy instead of a soldier and I loved the insight we got into Aiden through doing that.

Beckett was so totally adorable and I just wanted to hug him! The first message he did for his mum where he was holding back was so funny. It was just the way Paul delivered his lines. It was hilarious especially when he was talking about her toenail fungus lol. The second one where he started crying was just adorable and I really felt sorry for him because you can see he's finding it hard being away from home and from his family. I loved the last one he did though. Awww!

I loved McKay. How he kept trying to make himself sound really important and ended up sounding really theatrical and over the top. It was almost like he was trying to make himself out to still be the McKay he was when he first arrived on Atlantis but everytime he ended up sounding so arrogant and self important he realised how wrong it sounded and ultimately ended up admitting that the people on Atlantis were his family and doing an emotional message to his sister rather than the kinda egotistic one that he started doing. Its like a battle between the McKay that first arrived and the McKay that we've seen develop as the series progressed and as the different things have happened around himand it was cool to see his heart and emotional side win over the more arrogant and sarcastic side to him that he reverts to so often. You can see how he's changed since he arrived. It was also great to hear little snippets about his past and about what he thinks about things like dogs and cats for example. I also wonder what he was going to say about leadership lol.

Speaking of leadership I thought Elizabeths messages to the families of the people that they've lost on Atlantis were really poignant and were amazingly well acted by Torri. Lots of the messages had me in tears in this episode as did all of the actors deliveries of them but it was Elizabeths messages to the families of their lost colloeagues that provoked a lot of emotion. They were just so....right. It was really nice to see the pride Elizabeth had for them all and for everyone else under her command and the respect she has for them. It was also really poignant seeing her letting Simon go awww!

Teyla and Sheppards storyline broke all the messages up really well. I thought it was really well done and the culling was so haunting and atmospheric. I really liked Teyla in this episode too. She had a lot more to do than usual and she really stood up for what she believed in. When Sheppard wanted to leave and she wanted to wait I thought it was admirable how she stood up to him like she did because she wanted some good to come out of the culling and we got to see ho important the people that she cares about are to her. I'm growing to like Teyla a lot more. I only wish they'd give her more to do.

I also loved Zelenkas message. It was so funny and the young chinese Scientists when she was talking about Rodney. I also thought Sheppards message to Sumners family was really poignant.

All in all it was an amazing episode with great performances and it's one that I think I'll deffinately watch more than once.

Lucy x

Ancients Rising
February 15th, 2005, 03:30 PM
The Wraith ships looked different to how I'd imagined them but wow nonetheless.

I liked the episode. McKay was sensational.

I can't think of a bad scene at all in the whole episode.

I'd say this is my second favourtie episode after Before I Sleep and it just pips Rising.

Matt G
February 15th, 2005, 03:53 PM
As said before, this can't really be called a clip show

1. Big up to Zelenka for pulling a fast one in his native tounge!(I hope for his sake that no would-be Earthbound editors speak Czech!) :). Big up to the GW Czech translators as well - greenies on their way

2. OK...we knew Kavenagh was an arse...good to see Ford basically saying 'sod this, I don't need to hear this guy talk cack'

3. Very interesting stuff between Shep and Teyla, though is it me or does Shep's practical stance on this op contrast with when he went after Sumner in 'Rising'?

4. Also interesting to hear Sheppard saying that they could do with someone like Sumner right now! Is it going to be a case of 'Be careful what you wish for when Caldwell comes along

5. Don't know exactly when this ep is supposed to be set but I did have a laugh when Bates talked about Shaq and Kobe('bringing the title home for the Lakers'). All fellow NBA fans should be able to work out why!

6. OK...who else came out of this ep with the feeling 'It would be great to be on that team!'?

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 04:13 PM
I enjoyed this ep. Overall, atlantis has been much better than SG-1 S8.

About Ford getting desperate and suggesting they nick the ZPM from those kids....

(Spoiler re: SG-1 S9E19 - Moebius part 1)...Why hasn't anyone thought of scanning the brotherhood planet for their zpm, and stealing that one? in moebius they scanned earth for RA's zpm! I would have no moral objections to that. They have no use for the ZPM. They could replace their zpm with a plastic one later... the botherhood won't suspect a thing.

Madeleine
February 15th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Everyone's already said so much better than I could why this ep was just brilliant. :D

I love it when shows have really decent peripheral characters. Zelenka has a great actor to be able to do so much with what is to most viewers an incomprehensible language.

Funkmeister
February 15th, 2005, 04:57 PM
I must say that this was a fantastic episode! I loved the fact that it was a great character-based episode, and we got to see into the characters of pretty much everyone, especially the usually dormant Ford & Teyla. We learn a lot about different characters. Here's my comments:

Teyla: She's become increasingly annoyed with the people of earth. She doesn't like the way in which they conduct themselves. She was heavily offended at Ford's proposal to steal the "childhood's end" ZPM, and she had a real go at sheppard for abandoning her friends. Her character is finally going somewhere. She's left her own culture, and is having trouble getting used to the culture of the people of earth, and we're getting to see her strong sense of marality, and friendliness.

Ford: We get to see ford acting as cameraman for all the other Atlantis crew, helping them to compose messages to ther loved ones. We get to see a sweet side to ford, and he probably says more in this episode than he does in all the previous episodes combined. Also, ford walks out of the room as the whistle blower records his message, so it may be that he respects weir quite a bit.

Dr Zelenka: Talking in his native tongue was brilliant. You can understand what he's saying as well, thanks to his hand movements and flashback footage. Someone else translated it, and it's actually Czechslovakian. Brilliant stuff! And the comic relief comes at the end with "Security clearance?"

Dr Beckett: I love this guy because he's so nervous. Whilst "I'm a doctor, not a bloody fighter pilot!" remains my favourite Beckett moment, he stays in character as an odd guy who doesn't quite know what to say to his beloved mum, but he comes through thanks to some guidance from ford. I'm glad that beckett will be a regular next season. he's a great character. Nervous and insecure, but that makes him cool.

Mckay: i love the way he presents his video segment, in such a geeky fashion, and continues to waffle on without addressing what he wants to, but we get to see some heart-wrenching stuff at the end. Gold!

Asian Scientist: this made me laugh. She talked about mckay being great, even though it showed him being a real pain in the jacksie. maybe she has the hots for mckay? This needs to be addressed in the future, because it's got me wondering!

Shep: Surprisingly, we don't get to see much of sheppard revealed. He's quite one-dimensional in this episode, compared to everyone else, although he argues with Teyla, and shows his stubbornness.

Weir: She shows her strengths in recording brilliant messages for the parents of the numerous people killed so far on the Atlantis expedition, and the body count has been quite huge, so she has ample opportunity to do so. She shows herself to be a strong character. I definitely think Torri Higginson does it better than jessica Steen, and this is a perfect example how much of a great actor she is. You can really identify with Weir, which is just what you want in a leader when you're watching TV.

the whistle blower: Goodness knows what his name is, but he seems like quite a geek trying to look just right to present his case against weir. It does make you wonder if he has been friends with many of the people who have died, though. It's quite an interesting touch though.

immhotep
February 16th, 2005, 04:18 AM
i really loved this episode, loved makay, ford, beckett, wier; all of thier vids.
did annoyed at how they 'just' came up with the idea. they could of sent SGC details on how to do it. SGC has more power by far and could do the same maybe even send a bunch of reactor through ' here ya go cant send u a ZMP but thisll do for now -* send 50 naquada reactors through very quickly*, whehay thanks guys well jsut kick the wraiths ass be bak home in a week.
this episode could of been the perfect setting for a SGC-SGA crossover. loved the episode in general but man it bugs me when TPTB dont use stuff to their full potential.

Hanmer
February 16th, 2005, 04:24 AM
The only thing I didnt like about this epsiode was that Amanda Tapping got her name as the show was starting and she only said "Atlantis"... :P

Gary Jones said more than her! :P

Chaka's_Mum
February 16th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Mckay: i love the way he presents his video segment, in such a geeky fashion, and continues to waffle on without addressing what he wants to, but we get to see some heart-wrenching stuff at the end. Gold!


Every time Rodney picked up his prompt cards and started on about 'leadership', I was irresistibly reminded of one Arnold J Rimmer! :D

WormholeAlien
February 16th, 2005, 10:29 AM
Every time Rodney picked up his prompt cards and started on about 'leadership', I was irresistibly reminded of one Arnold J Rimmer! :D

Yea I was thinking that too! :D

Anubis
February 16th, 2005, 10:42 AM
I liked this episode.

OK, Teyla had a close call in the ship - very close indeed. Fortunately she escaped it. :D I'd like to know what the big beam is .. will be interesting to see what it turns out to be.

Those hive ships have a lot of darts surrounding them. ;) Thank god Sheppard managed to save a handful of people, despite early thoughts. :)


Overall, great episode. Loved it.

Metarock Sam
February 16th, 2005, 10:51 AM
I think the beam may be some wraith homing device made so that other Wraith ships know there is food for them down on the planet.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 17th, 2005, 03:00 PM
loved this episode, a really great episode for character development. It was nice seeing teyla almost regrett her desicion to join the guys when she finds out about the mind of a military man but as always john pulls through for her.

Funkmeister
February 18th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Arnold Rimmer! I was thinking a while ago that McKay was a cross between the simpson's comic book guy and someone else, but I couldn't put my finger on it! mcKay's a comic book guy/arnold rimmer hybrid!

but I loved the fact that Teyla's finally getting some recognition! And she's starting to regret joining all those earthlings. She's always taken a very diplomatic and friendly approach to other cultures, whilst John & ford are military men, and mckay is well...... McKay. Teyla's starting to see the flaws in the earthlings. I wonder how that will reflect on tauri/athosian relations?

But I absolutely love dr beckett in this episode. he's a great guy! I'm so glad he's a regular next season!

Replicarter
February 19th, 2005, 05:22 AM
I think the beam may be some wraith homing device made so that other Wraith ships know there is food for them down on the planet.

Well, i thought bout that, but the Wraith probably have a map like the ancients with all the planets that are habbited by humans. So when wraith go to a planet they use the been to tag the planet in such a way it can be read from hyperspace, so when another wraith ship is in the local area, they dont need to leave hyperspace and cull the plannet, they can just keep on going.

confused_canary
February 19th, 2005, 09:15 AM
this was one of my favourate episodes.

I felt that it painted the picture very well of how powerful the wraith are and how much the odds are stacked against our heros.

Blue Banrigh
February 23rd, 2005, 05:22 PM
I don't know why, but I found McKay's "Oh don't be so analogue" line hilarious. I almost fell out of my chair.

And the Japanese scientist, too cute. :D

Zelenka and Beckett. Also too adorable.

American3.141592654
March 4th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Dr. Beckett is ABSOLUTELY Scotish! He's a sentimental softy who's not about to show it if he has anything to say about it. ;) hehe... Up till now he's been getting a mixed bag of episodes with good characterizations and instances of him being used as the punchline to a joke, like telling people he's a doctor not an engineer and stuff like that where he's half Scotty and half Dr. McCoy (Ever notice they're both scots also?) from Star Trek. But this was good, it showed his humanity very well and portrayed him like a lot of the people I met in my time in Scotland.. Full of heart and not quite great at expressing it... Also I'd like to say McKay was my favorite. He's NUTS!!!! I had more fun watching McKay than just about anything else in the show... I would like to say though that Ford should have PUNCH THE PENCIL NECK JERK right in the FACE when he started complaining to General Oneil... Kavanagh (SP?) acted like a gutless coward complaining behind everybody's back like that. I hope he's the first to get blown up... Actually I hope he makes one of his "better" decisions and gets eaten cause of it. :) Also, my given thought the entire time I was watching was, "Is McKay ever going to get finished with his monolog about leadership?"

Teyla had some GREAT characterization where she kept getting annoyed with the Earth military minds... It made a lot of sense.. hehe... And talking about Characterization the characterization that went into Dr. Weir was amazing especially when she was telling about what impressed her. :)

So, as clip shows go (which lets face it this was sorta one) it was a good one. :) However I would like to say this is probably one of the more expensive clip shows ever to be done. Sorta makes doing a clipshow not too great when you do one this expensive...

anyway good episode all in all...

Merlin7
March 4th, 2005, 07:01 PM
I love this ep. Loved Weir's messages. And Zalenka's. I especially loved the insights to Shep. Does he NOT have a family? And his message to Sumner also conveyed the burden of leadership. He really wanted to SAVE THEM ALL.

Teyla needed a smack though. I understand her desire to save people she considers family. But To act Like Shep didn't care? HELLO TEYLA! Shep saved you and your people. He's save YOU more than once. Believed in you. Supported you. And not for nothing, they did need to get the intel back and when they couldn't he stayed. He STAYED, cause that's what Shep does.

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 07:02 PM
I thought Teyla acted very arrogantly. I've never really cared for her, but this is the first time I outright hated her. That damn sense of superiority she has over EVERYONE.... At least McKay is snarky about it, she's just flat out condescending with that dispassionate sense of benevolence. Gaahhhh.... She just really, REALLY grated on my nerves in this ep. Anyway.

Zelenka's bit was brilliant. And I loved his perfectly innocent, "Security clearance?" at the end.

One question, though. When the Wraith turns and is looking into/through the puddlejumper we his POV and he sees... an empty, misty field. But when you look through the front window of the PJ you see the village and the beam weapon/planet-drainer. Was that a hiccup or what?

McKay was awesome, as always. I wonder if he ever got around to talking about leadership. ;)

Bates was wonderful. His absolute certainty that he would never return home, and his gruffly cheerful pep talk to his baby bro... *sniffle*

The ep in general hit all the right emotional notes (minus Teyla). Even Kavanagh served his purpose, wrenching us from the sentimentality for his summation on all the "faults" of the mission. Looks like HE had no trouble sticking to the subject of leadership. Unfortunately. Guess we'll find out just how seriously Jack took his tirade in S2.

Oh yes... and if Weir was discussing the brilliance and courage of her crew to their families back home, Teyla had NO RIGHT to be in any of those flashbacks. She's not from Earth, she's never BEEN to Earth and no one on Earth knows she exists.

I also notice that most of the other clips featured Shep or Rodney. This just emphasizes the fact that they're basically the only two characters who get to do anything. Lucky Beckett managed to sneak himself into the mix. :rolleyes:

BruceDickinson
March 4th, 2005, 07:06 PM
*****

What a great episode!

I loved everything about it, from start to finish!

Few spoilers below...

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McCay has been one of my favorite characters, barring my frustrations with him in Sanctuary ( :( ), and in this episode he was gold (hehee :D - that was classic stuff). ((Leadership... :D :D , stitches I tell ya, had me laughing real good!)) The Oriental lady was very funny and the McCay flashbacks were hilarious, the sandwich bit was my favorite, but all of them were pretty funny. McCay recording his speech was some good stuff, and I'll remember some quotes from this one for a long time... The whole thing around the fungus thing was funny too.

The light beam was interesting (maybe something they will exploit down the road....hmmm?), and the part were Teyla was frozen watching the wraith just outside the PJ was really cool.

Lots of character development in this one and I liked that a lot (bit of a selfish dark side to Teyla? ;) ). The ending was very warm and wrapped up a great episode wonderfully. :D

Shep'sSocks
March 4th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Teyla's arrogance was astounding. She lectures Sheppard on becoming like the Wraith yet she only wants to save her friends. I think this episode so totally shows the lack of chemistry between Teyla and Sheppard.

Major Fischer
March 4th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Torri Higginson topped the list of some wonderful monologue performances in this one, I even liked Ford, and felt for him. First time all season. Only sore point was Teyla. I found her grating and superior, in a way that made me want to strangle her and point out that if you reach your hand to save one more person than is feasable you put all the rest at risk.

IMForeman
March 4th, 2005, 07:16 PM
I would like to say though that Ford should have PUNCH THE PENCIL NECK JERK right in the FACE when he started complaining to General Oneil... Kavanagh (SP?) acted like a gutless coward complaining behind everybody's back like that.

Well, I took solace in the knowlege that by the time he gets to his spiel about the serious misjudgements of Dr. Weir, Jack would have turned off the video.

Kavanagh (on recording): "I feel it is my duty to inform you of what I consider to be serious errors in judgement among the leaders of this expidition..."
CLICK.
Jack: "I think I've seen enough of that. Nice of him to write, though."

-IMF

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Well, I took solace in the knowlege that by the time he gets to his spiel about the serious misjudgements of Dr. Weir, Jack would have turned off the video.
Yep. Jack would want no part of that pompous BS. However, there could have been others watching it who took Kavanagh a little more seriously...

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 4th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Brilliant episode. It is quite a feat to do a clip show that doesn't feel like a clip show. A lot of the episodes lately have featured more stand-alone, off-world stories (which is fine, that needs to be developed), but with the Wraith on their way, it's important to bring home the magnitude of the Atlantis expedition, everything they've accomplished, not accomplished, and are up against.

The whole video message thing could've gotten very cliche very fast, and before you know it, we The Real World 6,342: Atlantis. Gladly, it was a good balance of suspense and reminding us how horrible the Wraith can be with a deeply personal empathy for the characters. Weir spending most of her time sending messages to loved ones of fallen soldiers fits her character so well, and shows what a compassionate leader should be. And her message to Simon was a great way of showcasing the human being behind the leader. Likewise, Shep's message was a very touching way of showing the burden leadership brings.

For as much as McKay never got around to talking about leadership, this episode sure was a great commentary on it. :) His bits tied everything together very well with patented Mckay humor, and the part to is sister was very touching. I love how well they've rounded out his character. Zelenka's bit was great, and Cavanaugh filled me with a deep desire to smack the crap out him, so kudos to the actor.

I agree with the above posts that Teyla was way off and out of character, but that's really my only bone to pick with this episode. I'm hoping next week will fix that. Looking forward to next week!

Shep'sSocks
March 4th, 2005, 07:22 PM
I don't think Teyla was out of character, I just don't think she realises what is important to Sheppard and what isn't. They're from different cultures and have different priorities.

IMForeman
March 4th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Yep. Jack would want no part of that pompous BS. However, there could have been others watching it who took Kavanagh a little more seriously...

Mild Spoilers for "The Siege" part 2. Someone did, if Colonel Everett's attitude is any indication. I just know Jack wouldn't have stood for someone whining about their superiors behind their back.

IMForeman
March 4th, 2005, 07:24 PM
I don't think Teyla was out of character, I just don't think she realises what is important to Sheppard and what isn't. They're from different cultures and have different priorities.

Spoiler for "The Gift" Teyla hasn't been getting alot of sleep since "The Brotherhood." She's a little testy.

-IMF

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 07:30 PM
You know, it's interesting... the writers seem to have their "weak points" when it comes to the characters. Joe & Paul can't write Bates, Alan Brennert can't write... anything, but he's particularly off with McKay (and Shep a bit), Carl Binder can't write Teyla... All my opinion, of course, but it seems like I've said a few times that such-and-such was a great episode but Character X was "off". Sanctuary was flat-out horrible in all ways, but the McKay and Shep stuff was particularly bad.

Hopefully next season the writers will start to get a better "feel" for those characters they can't quite grasp yet.

Oh, and I think I said this the last time the ep aired, but Ford was FANTASTIC in this ep. I just loved the boy to pieces- his energy and enthusiasm, harrassing Carson to make it more heartfelt ("Dude. Fungus?!"), walking out on that pompous prick Kavanagh... he had some good facial expressions, too, particularly when he's watching Weir record all those messages. And talking to grandma and grandpa. *sniff*

Did you notice that Ford and McKay used very similar expressions? Ford said "Hi Grandma, Grandpa, it's me, Aiden... Obviously." And in the bit where McKay is talking to his sister he likewise identifies himself and adds, "...Obviously." ;)

Also, speaking just for me, I don't think Teyla has enough personality to be acting "out of character", I just know I despised her and her holier-than-thou attitude in this ep and I don't care WHAT excuses she has. :P

NightGloom
March 4th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Wow... that was a really good episode and very emotionally driven.

Well, I asked for character development for Teyla... and I got some, unfortunately I absolutely despised it. Sure, she knew these people, but she really didn't have a right to delay the mission further. She joined the Atlantis team, that's who she should be loyal to, especially since she should look upon Sheppard as her leader. She can regret her decision, but she can't just take it back.

I really liked the video clips throughout, McKay's were especially hilarious. Truthfully, I think this episode was more poignant than Heroes Pt. 2, but I won't go into why that episode "wasn't right."

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 4th, 2005, 07:39 PM
Oh, and I think I said this the last time the ep aired, but Ford was FANTASTIC in this ep. I just loved the boy to pieces- his energy and enthusiasm, harrassing Carson to make it more heartfelt ("Dude. Fungus?!"), walking out on that pompous prick Kavanah... he had some good facial expressions, too, particularly when he's watching Weir record all those messages. And talking to grandman and grandpa. *sniff*


I can't believe I forgot to put that in post! *points upwards* What she said. Just another example of how Ford deserves more to do. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure any other character would've been better suited to tie everyone together like that.

prion
March 4th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I don't know why, but I found McKay's "Oh don't be so analogue" line hilarious. I almost fell out of my chair.

And the Japanese scientist, too cute. :D

Zelenka and Beckett. Also too adorable.

Actually, it's analog, but since that's now (sigh) such an archaic term... ;)

Miko, the scientist who worshipped the ground Rodney hopped on, was hysterical. Zelenka's Czech letter, Kavanagh brown-nosing "The leadership here sucks" letter was good (aiee, want to throttle him), Bates was good, Weir let Simon go, McKay would have talked for TWO hours if the tape hada been that long (he was right about dogs though!)

Excellent episode with drama, humor, pathos, the whole work, and excellent setup for the remaining 3 eps.

jyh
March 4th, 2005, 07:59 PM
I agree that this is an EXCELLENT episode. A great mix of drama, action, humor, and sentiment. I was really caught off-guard when Weir first started recording the messages to the families of the dead soldiers. I, like many others, had been so caught up in the fact that everyone could record a message to their loved ones (and wondering what they would say) that it came as a shock to realize that a number of crew members are no longer around to record messages, and that as the head of the expedition, it would fall to Dr. Weir to communicate w/ their families. Very moving. Rodney's message definitely provided the humor, and the scene w/ Dr. Cavanaugh indicated that his little snit earlier in the season didn't occur in a vacuum and hasn't been forgotten. As for Shepherd, I guess we haven't heard much about his personal life, but he must have SOME family, it was almost a symptom of denial the way he said there was nobody to whom he wanted/needed to send a message.

As for the Shepherd/Teyla adventure... I too must agree that she was very arrogant & condescending. Admittedly, she has never been a favorite character of mine, and I cringe everytime I read about Shepherd/Teyla shippers (NOOOOOOOOO!!!!). (On an unrelated note, why do all the 'aliens' on Stargate, including Teal'c and Teyla, have such a formal, stilted way of speaking? THey neve speak casually as 'real' people do in conversation. YOu almost never hear them use contractions... instead they say "I do not believe that is the case"... or "I cannot allow you to do such a thing.") Anyway, that's neither here nor there.

I did think it one thing was stupid, tho: the commercials showed Carter at the SGC saying "It's from Pegasus," and we saw that Amanda Tapping was listed as a guest star. And yet that scene-- all 12 seconds of it, consisting for the most part of only that one line by Carter, is the very last scene in the episode.

But I really do think this is one of the best episodes of Atlantis I've seen all season. Too bad they're giving Ford a larger role just when they're going to give him a smaller role. :rolleyes:

Jeff O'Connor
March 4th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I don't think words can describe how very, very, very happy I was with this episode. Hot frellin' wow... I... this... is my favorite thus far.

cobraR478
March 4th, 2005, 08:07 PM
What's the general consensus of what that blue beam was? If you want to stick with the theme of the Wraith feeding on lifeforce, and the belief among many here that the Wraith ships are bio-tech, is it possible that one of the ships was actually feeding on the "life" of the planet for its fuel rather than a conventional powersource?

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 08:13 PM
What's the general consensus of what that blue beam was? If you want to stick with the theme of the Wraith feeding on lifeforce, and the belief among many here that the Wraith ships are bio-tech, is it possible that one of the ships was actually feeding on the "life" of the planet for its fuel rather than a conventional powersource?
That's my guess until proven otherwise. Makes sense. If the wraith creatures feed on people, then the wraith SHIPS feed off the planet itself. I don't know why that makes sense, but it does, dammit. :P

Jeff O'Connor
March 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM
That's my guess until proven otherwise. Makes sense. If the wraith creatures feed on people, then the wraith SHIPS feed off the planet itself. I don't know why that makes sense, but it does, dammit. :P

It's what I was thinking, too. And like you said, I don't know why it makes sense... but it does. Dammit.

keshou
March 4th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Excellent stuff. Really engaged my emotions in a way I wasn't expecting. Served to up the tension for the arrival of the wraith at Atantis and at the same time reminded us of how far this group of humans at Atlantis have come.

Carl Binder seems to have a talent for writing Dr. Weir - first "Before I Sleep" and now this. I've liked her in both episodes as well as I've liked her all season. I was touched when she was recording the messages for the families of those they've lost. She seemed like a real leader in this one. Shep recording the message at the end for Sumner's family was a nice touch.

Just a lot of great character moments with the supporting characters - Zelenka, Dr. McKay's assistant (she was charming), the whiny pony-tail guy (O'Neill is SO going to see thru his schtick). And of course McKay was a classic. He's so self-important one minute and babbling about never getting to see "Grease" the next. LOL!

For a clips show this episode had a lot of special effects. Funnily the wraith are more scary when they're off-screen than when they're on. Seeing all those ships culling the village and hearing the screams was very effective. Wonder what that beam was all about? ETA: okay just read the theory above. Wraith ships feed off the planet, huh? Interesting.

Teyla *was* a little annoying but I enjoy conflict between the characters so I didn't mind her and Shep's different viewpoints. I have to admit her little sideways looks and sly smile is getting on my nerves though. As is her hair - it's fine when she's doing the sexy thing at Atlantis, but it looks ridiculous when she's in her military gear off-world. Get that woman a battle-ponytail or something. ;)

If they're going to do clip shows like this every season - bring them on. :D

And more from Carl Binder please. :)

FoolishPleasure
March 4th, 2005, 08:41 PM
I really loved this episode - Torri H. has really grown into Weir's character and was very impressive, especially in the videos for the "lost ones" - it was heartbreaking. Major thumbs up for her!

The video idea was great - giving several minor characters a chance to shine and give a bit more background on them. Kavanagh. . .well, we are SUPPOSED to hate him. Bring him back, please. ;) Heck, I even liked Bates. And Rodney, for all his strutting and bragging, he really is quite a lonely person. Sheppard's video for Sumner's family again shows what a really good actor he is.

Teyla was the only problem for me - her hair was stringy and in her face again, and her attitude was irritating. I felt she was trying to force her beliefs onto Sheppard and if I had been him, I would have tossed her out to the Wraith. Her comments and insinuations that we are not good people really bothered me - referring to the conference room talk about getting the ZPM from the kiddies, and going back to pick up friends - risking Sheppard's mission. . .oooh, if we don't do what she says. . we are not good. Oh PLEASE!

Actually, Teyla is a minor complaint. .overall this was an excellent episode. Bring this writer back, by all means! :D

Matthew D
March 4th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Well, I took solace in the knowlege that by the time he gets to his spiel about the serious misjudgements of Dr. Weir, Jack would have turned off the video.

Kavanagh (on recording): "I feel it is my duty to inform you of what I consider to be serious errors in judgement among the leaders of this expidition..."
CLICK.
Jack: "I think I've seen enough of that. Nice of him to write, though."

-IMF

I was thinking the same thing when he started on his little monologe... Ford should have just popped him a good one.. then left
I really think that Teyla's character is a good character, I think that she will grow and get better though.. and as much as she did irriate shep tonight.. I think she was doing it for the right reasons..

QueenKale
March 4th, 2005, 08:55 PM
What a great episode, one of the best 'clip shows' I've seen.
As for the letters; Rodney, what can I say, I love the guy. The counting down thing cracked me up....then in the end, he just kinda breaks down and tells how he really feels. Very good insight into his character, that he may come off as pompous and arrogant, but once you get past all his BS, he get to see the REAL McKay, lovely:D
Zelenka, heehee, I didn't even notice the generator in that background till you guys mentioned it; Ford, you should pay attention more;)
Speaking of Ford, I'm actually liking him now, because of this episode. For some reason, up till now, Ford just bugged me. I really don't know why....but this episode really let him shine. And now, if I was Weir, I don't think I would of picked anyone better for the role of taping everyone's letters. He just seemed very respectful of everyone and very caring. I can just picture him doing all the other letters, telling people not to cry or giving them other words of encouragement:D
As for the Teyla thing, I personally would have done the same thing. One thing that's always expressed on the show is that 'we don't leave our people behind,' and Teyla was doing just that. She was close with the family, making them one of her own, and she wasn't about to just stand by and let them get killed. If it was reversed, and those were military people out there, Shep would of stayed and helped them, whether they failed or succeeded, and he would have fought for it too. And you could tell that's what Shep was torn about, whether to stay or go.


Kavanagh (on recording): "I feel it is my duty to inform you of what I consider to be serious errors in judgement among the leaders of this expidition..."
CLICK.
Jack: "I think I've seen enough of that. Nice of him to write, though."
I wouldn't be surprised if Ford had just 'accidently' hit the off button as he left the room;)

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 08:59 PM
For a clips show this episode had a lot of special effects. Funnily the wraith are more scary when they're off-screen than when they're on. Seeing all those ships culling the village and hearing the screams was very effective.
It's too bad MORE of the writers don't realize this. The whole "Wraith as an unseen enemy" thing they promised at the beginning is absolute crap. We see them all the time. Hasn't anyone seen Signs?? ;) If nothing else, it showed how effective noises can be. Noises, movement in the corner of the eye... things like that are far more scary than some pale-skinned dude with bad teeth. :rolleyes:



And more from Carl Binder please. :)
Yes. Please. :)

Major Fischer
March 4th, 2005, 09:01 PM
As for the Teyla thing, I personally would have done the same thing. One thing that's always expressed on the show is that 'we don't leave our people behind,' and Teyla was doing just that. She was close with the family, making them one of her own, and she wasn't about to just stand by and let them get killed. If it was reversed, and those were military people out there, Shep would of stayed and helped them, where they failed or succeeded. And you could tell that's what Shep was torn about, whether to stay or go.

I think it was less what she wanted as what she said to get it. Sheppard has stood up for her enough times, and saved others lives enough times, that he darn well didn't need a lecture from the high and mighty about it. Leadership isn't always about if you would sacrefice yourself for others. Sometimes it's about weather you could sacrefice someone else for others. Just like Dr. Weir had to decide that she was willing to step beyond her own ideals in Poisoning the Well, Sheppard knew that he had a duty to do and lives depended on it and Teyla's little heroics could have cost the mission. And she whined to get what she wanted. She played high and mighty.

She did not act like a leader.

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 09:07 PM
They weren't HER people, they were just a people she'd dealt with in the past. Yeah, she considers them "family" but she considers everyone she's ever MET to be family and hasn't pulled this diva act before.

Also, who is SHE to decide that this friend of hers is more worthy than other families? She gets all high and mighty about Shep callously deciding things for everyone, but she is no different. She chose THIS family over everyone else and if everything had stuck to plan, that's all she would have taken. Very much a "pot, meet kettle" situation, if you ask me.

Merlin7
March 4th, 2005, 09:10 PM
I think it was less what she wanted as what she said to get it. Sheppard has stood up for her enough times, and saved others lives enough times, that he darn well didn't need a lecture from the high and mighty about it. Leadership isn't always about if you would sacrefice yourself for others. Sometimes it's about weather you could sacrefice someone else for others. Just like Dr. Weir had to decide that she was willing to step beyond her own ideals in Poisoning the Well, Sheppard knew that he had a duty to do and lives depended on it and Teyla's little heroics could have cost the mission. And she whined to get what she wanted. She played high and mighty.

She did not act like a leader.

Can I just say WORD to your entire post. This is what bugged me. It was her attitude and what she said. She knows what Shep has done and that he would save them all. He said as much. He was very conflicted. He could have easily LEFT her or just never gone to that spot. He wasn't against saving them so much as he was very aware of how important the intel was, especially after they saw the size of the Armada.

I don't blame Teyla for wanting to help the people she considered Family. But her words/attitude made me want to deck her. "I'm SORRY if you do not understand me wanting to save family" "If it was YOUR family/people" "You would have blithely left them" THat in itself ticked me off about her. She knows better. And her TOO MUCH I FEAR was the clincher.


They weren't HER people, they were just a people she'd dealt with in the past. Yeah, she considers them "family" but she considers everyone she's ever MET to be family and hasn't pulled this diva act before.

Also, who is SHE to decide that this friend of hers is more worthy than other families? She gets all high and mighty about Shep callously deciding things for everyone, but she is no different. She chose THIS family over everyone else and if everything had stuck to plan, that's all she would have taken. Very much a "pot, meet kettle" situation, if you ask me.


Guess I can just WORD this too. Very good point. But..hey..it's different when Teyla does it. Actually...it's kinda becoming a Shep trend. No matter what he does he's wrong! LOL

I kinda wish he HAD left her. Yup.

VirtualCLD
March 4th, 2005, 09:25 PM
I am really enjoying this first season of Atlantis with few exceptions. This episode was definately not one of them. I think most of the characters were portrayed well. McKay was great as always and completely oblivious to the young asian assistant, as tends to be the case with him. I wonder if she'll actually show up in the background or if this was a one-time thing (I realize most of the clips for her were actually new, but it would be neat to see her pop in from time to time). Beckett was also hillarious and had great character moments.

I tend to agree with Teyla being too quick too judge. I'll giver her that from her point of view, she has never really had to make the big decisions Sheppard or any millitary leader has to. Obviously if you tell one person you can save them, word will quickly spread and you won't have enough room to save everyone. You can't just do that in those situations. As Sheppard said, only fight the battles you know you can win (though sometimes your wrong or you don't get a choice).

In some ways, I think Weir has grown in this epsiode, but in another sense, she still seemed flat. All of her responses to the family members of teh deceased team members sounded very canned and typical. "Your son/daugher/close relative died defending others with honor, bravery, courage, yada yada yada..." The only intersting part was her being emotional durring the tapings. That and the fact she took the time to create those messages. Her message to Simon sounded more heartfelt, as it should since that was a personal message. I don't know, I just didn't like her "We regret to inform you..." messages.

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Well, she didn't know most of them very well, so it was hard to make them tailored, but I think the emotion she displayed during the readings WAS what made personal and that stuff really worked for me. Plus, it shows the kind of person she is that she'd take the time to record all those messages. And Simon... *sniffle* Poor Simon. And poor Weir, too.

I didn't warm to her character immediately, but she's really grown on me over the past few eps (and in the next few as well), probably due in large part to the talent of guys like Carl Binder, who has made huge strides in humanizing Weir. Torri, too, has done a remarkable job. Met her at the L3 con in London. She's a fabulous, funny lady and it helped me to appreciate her AND her character a lot more. Weir's gone from being blah to being one of my top five fave characters. ;)

Thor's Pal
March 4th, 2005, 10:08 PM
The biggest problem that I personally had with the ep was the fact that they didn't do anything to "serlizile the background. In the parts that you could see city architecture- its doesn't look like anything on earth now.

Otherwise I enjoyed the ep.

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2005, 10:12 PM
The biggest problem that I personally had with the ep was the fact that they didn't do anything to "serlizile the background. In the parts that you could see city architecture- its doesn't look like anything on earth now.
I think that was kind of the point. Particularly in Zelenka's bit where you can see the power generator (or whatever it is) in the background. ;) Ford knows people aren't supposed to TALK about what they're doing, but he's so used to the scenery he doesn't SEE it, ya know? :)

gwangung
March 4th, 2005, 10:40 PM
I think it's more that Weir is supposed to be cool, calm and collected, and on occasions Torri comes across as expressionless. I thought she was really good in LFP compared to, say, how stiff she was in 38 Minutes.

Well, in acting school, they tell you to do that to make the emotional breaks come off bigger.... :D

Shep'sSocks
March 4th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Actually, it's analog, but since that's now (sigh) such an archaic term... ;)

Actually, it depends on what country people are from. In mine, it's analogue.


They weren't HER people, they were just a people she'd dealt with in the past. Yeah, she considers them "family" but she considers everyone she's ever MET to be family and hasn't pulled this diva act before.

Also, who is SHE to decide that this friend of hers is more worthy than other families? She gets all high and mighty about Shep callously deciding things for everyone, but she is no different. She chose THIS family over everyone else and if everything had stuck to plan, that's all she would have taken. Very much a "pot, meet kettle" situation, if you ask me.

That's precisely what annoyed me. She was the one who was bringing them down to the level of the Wraith. She was deciding who lived and who died.

Draco_Astreus
March 4th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Very good ep. Almost my fav. ep of Atlantis. Hell I'm not sure why it's not my favorite.... it's really good, but we've had some good ones previously aswell. Very good chracter development for everyone, I'm liking Ford more now. He's cool. Hope we'll see plenty more of him.
On the Teyla thing, I'm not sure where I stand but I'll say that I don't think she was out of character. She may have been a bit annoying at several points and she definately has a lot to learn about what's important in these kinds of situations... however I think Shep can also take advice from her. I think it's just a bit of good development for both of them, maybe in the future Teyla will think more about the bigger picture and Shep will be a bit more aware of the people side of things.
(I must admit when Teyla said "Too much, I fear" that was going a bit far..)

Oh also, Teyla mensioned she had never seen a culling that took so many. I didn't make anything of this at first but then I got to thinking... maybe the rest of them know about Earth now? So maybe they are like, 'skrew everyone here, we just want to get to Earth,' so they cull as many people as they want, not caring about future 'crops.' Scary thought.... :S

LoneStar1836
March 4th, 2005, 11:54 PM
This was a beautiful episode visually. The SFX of the hive ships coming out of hyperspace and then contrasted against the planet. Stunning attention paid to details. Then the shot from the PJ looking out at the village with the darts, the beam, and the moon on the horizon looked pretty darn real to me, and it all probably looks way better when not viewed on my crappy little 13in TV with not the sharpest cable reception. And here I thought clip shows were supposed to be money savers. Not that I’m complaining. These guys know their stuff. Atlantis had been impressive when it comes to the visual effects.

This had to be the best clip show ever in the history of Stargate. Didn’t even really feel like a clip show. It actually had a very compelling storyline. Very emotional. Great humor mixed in as well. And Ford got to do something, and he had some great lines, too. :)

Poor Rodney had a dog that ran away. :( Gotta love a man who loves animals even if they only come when you shake the box. ;) My cats usually do the same thing. :D Loved every moment of McKay in this one.

Great character development for Weir. I really want her character to be successful. We need a strong woman on the show. We obviously are not going to get that from Teyla. :rolleyes: The other writers need to get tips from this writer on how to help develop and write for Weir. I hope she has a greater presence next season, i.e. go off-world once in a while.

You know that still has to eat at Shep that he had to kill Sumner. Only appropriate for him to send that message. Maybe a little release for him. I hate that he is a loner. There has got to be somebody back on Earth he is connected to. At least McKay has his sister and his cat.

I’m not going to go into detail about Teyla because it’s pretty much been said in above posts why I didn’t particularly care for her attitude toward Sheppard. (Maybe she should just stick to being a mute a** kicker cause opening her mouth didn’t help her character much in this one.) The man already feels the burden of holding peoples’ lives in his hands. If he could save them all he would. He doesn’t need a lecture from Teyla. Leaders aren’t always liked for the decisions they make, and it may not be apparent that they made the right choice until sometime later. Protecting Atlantis ultimately has to come first if there is going to be any remote chance of eventually defeating the wraith for the eventual betterment of everyone in the galaxy, even if they have to snag that ZPM from the planet full of kids as a choice of last resort.

Overall, a great episode. I’m not so sure about next week’s. :S

LoneStar1836
March 5th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Oh also, Teyla mensioned she had never seen a culling that took so many. I didn't make anything of this at first but then I got to thinking... maybe the rest of them know about Earth now? So maybe they are like, 'skrew everyone here, we just want to get to Earth,' so they cull as many people as they want, not caring about future 'crops.' Scary thought.... :SThat could be a possibility.

I think she’s never seen a culling so large before because many of the wraith were in hibernation during her lifetime, and most of the culling was just to feed the ones who watched over them. Here you got the entire ship awake and everybody is feeding in preparation for the big fight so they take everyone on the planets in their path to Atlantis in hopes of taking care of this threat. The other ships out there (not going to Atlantis) might be a little more selective in how many they take in order to preserve for the future. Though I’m sure they have their sites set on our galaxy, but they are going to want to hold on to Pegasus as well. That would be my guess. :)

macktheknife
March 5th, 2005, 12:41 AM
Teyla needs to die. Get someone who knows the score regarding military stuff, and not have the baggage of "omg the wraith stole my father!!!oneone!!!, we must save these people, they are like family!!one!!!" Wooden as Jack's cabin. Plus this new guy apparently coming in does not like he will raise the intelligence of the show very much.

AlphaBlu
March 5th, 2005, 01:25 AM
I'd once again like to reiterate my undying love for this episode. It's probably the best episode of Atlantis' first Season, which is a big call given how amazing Eye/Storm, Before I Sleep, The Brotherhood and Siege 1/Siege2 are. Even more amazing is the fact that this was Season 1's "clips episode", yet the clips totaled about 2 minutes of screentime, and most of that was done with new voiceovers, rather than a simple "CUT TO".

This episode hit all the right notes from start to finish. The continuing sensation of dread (that reaches its ultimate peak as several flares are launched at the begining of the battle in Siege 2) manages to build and build, started ever so brilliently at the end of The Brotherhood.

All the character notes (except for Ford, unsurprisingly), are there. We get Kavanaugh again, a plot line I'm glad they didn't drop, we get Weir being a leader and giving a speech about the fallen that rivals anything Bra'tac's ever said in SG-1 (and he usually gets the best speeches). We get Ford talking to Sumner's family, if he has one, that really tugs at the heartstrings. We get Bates and his sense of loss. We get Beckett and his sense of homesickness (even if it is through comedic means). We get Zelenka's innocence and continued sense of wonder (faced with death he descibes the rising of the city, that shows a lot about how he works). And yes, Teyla was extremely arrogant and annoying in this episode, but I think that's the point. The snarky stuff between her and Sheppard was great.

And then there's McKay... I've said it before but David Hewlitt is at the top of his game in this episode. He absolutely steals the show and turns what would otherwise be quite a harrowing and gloomy episode (given how scary the full-scale culling is with the screams and everything and the sheer hopelessness of Atlantis' situation) into something that goes from serious, to sad, to scary, to side-tearingly hilarious all in a few scenes. Atlantis is worth watching already, but McKay sweetens the deal.

I wonder if we ever will hear his thoughts on leadership?

So, yes, this is probably the best episode of Season 1. Don't think that it gets worse from hereon in, it doesn't, it just levels out really. Nothing after this ep is better, but nothing is worse either.

BYE

Elinor
March 5th, 2005, 07:51 AM
What's the general consensus of what that blue beam was? If you want to stick with the theme of the Wraith feeding on lifeforce, and the belief among many here that the Wraith ships are bio-tech, is it possible that one of the ships was actually feeding on the "life" of the planet for its fuel rather than a conventional powersource?

I'm not certain on this, but I think Shep gives a one sentence explanation of what the beam is in "The Gift". It's a "blink and you'll miss it" moment :o So look out for it!

thorshammer
March 5th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Can anybody explain the ending. Did the SGC get the messeges?

ShadowMaat
March 5th, 2005, 08:57 AM
Can anybody explain the ending. Did the SGC get the messeges?
Yes. See? Sometimes McKay IS as brilliant as he claims. ;)

alz0rz
March 5th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Yes, I agree even though I think this was supposed to be a clip show - it was an excellent one at that. But the clips didnt even amount to more than 7-8min so that was great.

Minor end of SG1 S8 Spoilers.
Sadly though these ramifications from this episode see to take place after Moebius P2, since they never mention it in any of the final SG1 Episodes

Al

Thek
March 5th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Yes, I agree even though I think this was supposed to be a clip show - it was an excellent one at that. But the clips didnt even amount to more than 7-8min so that was great.

Minor end of SG1 S8 Spoilers.
Sadly though these ramifications from this episode see to take place after Moebius P2, since they never mention it in any of the final SG1 Episodes

Al

Moebius No, the entire reason they go back in time is to get the ZPM so they can send help to the Pegasus Galaxy.

The real question is when Sam recieves the message? Before or after Threads?

I haven't seen Threads yet, so I don't know if its ever mentioned.

IMForeman
March 5th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Yes, I agree even though I think this was supposed to be a clip show - it was an excellent one at that. But the clips didnt even amount to more than 7-8min so that was great.

Minor end of SG1 S8 Spoilers.
Sadly though these ramifications from this episode see to take place after Moebius P2, since they never mention it in any of the final SG1 Episodes

Al

They never make direct reference, no... however, Carter does calll the Time Ship 'the Jumper" at one point in part one. It's either a remarkable coincidence, or the Atlantis expidition referenced the Jumpers as such.

-IMF

tekguy2
March 5th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Zelenka's bit was great! Although I was a bit unhappy with the unlrealistic part about how all their info takes up .3 of the stream, but then we don't have a show. Our compression methods today aren't superb, but that's unreal. Otherwise, I felt this was a very good episode, especially with the Wraith fleet.

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Although I was a bit unhappy with the unlrealistic part about how all their info takes up .3 of the stream, but then we don't have a show. Our compression methods today aren't superb, but that's unreal.

As unreal as traveling by artificial wormhole instantly? Or as unreal as modern archeology and anthropology missing not one but two ancient alien civilizations on this planet in the archeological record?

It's a science fiction television show.

Whistler
March 5th, 2005, 12:08 PM
As unreal as traveling by artificial wormhole instantly? Or as unreal as modern archeology and anthropology missing not one but two ancient alien civilizations on this planet in the archeological record?

It's a science fiction television show.

I hate people using the excuse of "it's sci-fi" to excuse bad science. Now I personally don't mind the compression thing, it is concievable (at least to me) that the military, and it's scientists had devised a way to send terrabytes of data in .3 seconds. it might not be possible to the general publc, but I can easily believe it is possible if the greatest scientific minds in the world are behind it, like McKay.

But there are some faults I can't excuse, such as the laptops not needing to be protected from the E.M.P. wave in Hot Zone, that really annoyed me because I had learnt about E.M.Ps on television, and the devastating effects on computer technology. In SG-1's Affinity, the N.I.D. lady wipes a computer with a magnet, completely disabling any data it had on it. The effects of an E.M.P are like that completely wiping data, and making computers unusable.

In Hot Zone they just unplugged their laptops and assumed they were protected from the E.M.P. In real life, they would need to be under some heavily reinforced steel/iron to be protected. Don't tell me Atlantis acts like that, because otherwise the nanite virus would not have been destroyed. :p

I just don't like it when people use that excuse of "it's Sci-Fi" to excuse bad normal science, I can believe in wormholes and stargates, and high tech compression ratios, for the sake of the show, but I wont be led to believe that science only half applies in the Pegasus galaxy, particularly proven, non theoretical science.

ShadowMaat
March 5th, 2005, 12:11 PM
McKay has access to Ancient technology and resources. Is it not possible that he used that to hybridize/cobble together whatever to allow the supercompression rates?

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 12:18 PM
Just don't use Sci-Fi to excuse bad science, I can believe in wormholes and stargates, and high tech compression ratios, for the sake of the show, but I wont be led to believe that science only half applies in the Pegasus galaxy, particularly proven, non theoretical science.

Thank you. In my immediate family there are four doctorates from ivy league universities in the hard sciences. That was not what I was saying. What I was saying is that in the Stargate Universe there are a number of elements that exist within science, technology, and history which are not known to the public.

The supercompression rate is no more improbable as yet one more thing that is being hidden from the public than say, wormhole physics, or the BC-303, or 70 billion from the US Federal budget.

PugGate
March 5th, 2005, 12:31 PM
DOes anyone have an idea as to what that beam was on the planet that was being culled by the wraith in letters from pegasus?

Whistler
March 5th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Thank you. In my immediate family there are four doctorates from ivy league universities in the hard sciences. That was not what I was saying. What I was saying is that in the Stargate Universe there are a number of elements that exist within science, technology, and history which are not known to the public.

The supercompression rate is no more improbable as yet one more thing that is being hidden from the public than say, wormhole physics, or the BC-303, or 70 billion from the US Federal budget.

Exactly, I didn't mean you when talking about Hot Zone, that's just something that had bugged me before, and somebody had used the exuse of "It's sci-fi" to excuse it, just your comment reminded me of that, it's nothing against you, I agree with you! :eek: :D As I said, I can completely understand the compression thing, I'm no expert, but it makes sense in the form of it being something that is just developed by the military, or some very inteligent scientists. :)

Thek
March 5th, 2005, 12:38 PM
*shrugs*

Honestly, I have no problem with Sci-Fi shows creating and/or totally ignoring Laws of Science as long as their consistant with it.

No ignoring one Law one episode and then having it real in another.

Cronus
March 5th, 2005, 12:45 PM
My own pet theory is that the Wraith were sucking the life out of the planet. Like how they do to humans but to planets instead.

However, I have no proof for this nor any real reason why I think so. It just made sense at the time. :D

MarshAngel
March 5th, 2005, 12:50 PM
I think that beam may have been extracting minerals or perhaps metals or something. Even if their ships are living they must need some kind of fuel or other resources.
What I find strange is that the Wraith don't seem to have built any kind of civilization on a planet from what we can see (they all live on their ships?) but yet they have weapons and technology. It must have come from somewhere. Don't they need raw materials to clothe themselves, build their ships and weapons? Do they have mines, factories etc?

eddzc23
March 5th, 2005, 12:54 PM
They are called HIVE ships. The wraith sleep the majority of the time remember.

Cronus
March 5th, 2005, 12:55 PM
I think that beam may have been extracting minerals or perhaps metals or something. Even if their ships are living they must need some kind of fuel or other resources.
What I find strange is that the Wraith don't seem to have built any kind of civilization on a planet from what we can see (they all live on their ships?) but yet they have weapons and technology. It must have come from somewhere. Don't they need raw materials to clothe themselves, build their ships and weapons? Do they have mines, factories etc?

Well, when they hibernate for years their Hive ships do become in a sense a city, kind of like Atlantis really. I like the idea about them extracting resources and minerals, it does make sense if their ships are part organic. Maybe the ships suck minerals and resources out of planets like their inhabitants do out of humans.

Hatcheter
March 5th, 2005, 01:25 PM
In 'The Seige Part I' Sheppard says that they "tagged the planet".

Cronus
March 5th, 2005, 01:28 PM
You might want to edit that Hatcheter its meant to be [spoilers]
Yeah, I remember something about that now, but still have no idea what he meant by it though.

Hatcheter
March 5th, 2005, 01:33 PM
You might want to edit that Hatcheter its meant to be [spoilers]
Yeah, I remember something about that now, but still have no idea what he meant by it though.

Sorry about that. Typo in the spoiler tag. :o

SmartFox
March 5th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Good ep and i really want to see how SGC reacts to the news but i guess i wont see that for awhile. We get to see alot of charchterzation and emotion from some charchters that we never get to. Both Teyla and Ford had more then 2 lines and you could actually know how they were feeling and connect with them.

That one scientist guy is starting to piss me off. :mad: Trying to report on Weir.

Question when the ships came out of hyper space wasn't there more then 3 hive ships? I thought i counted 6. Or is there a ship a size between a dart and hive ship?

Cronus
March 5th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Sorry about that. Typo in the spoiler tag. :o

No problem. Did it myself for a MAJOR spoiler and ended up getting so much red rep thrown at me before I could amend it that I didn't know what day it was. I always preview my posts now to make sure I've done it right.

Back to subject. Maybe it was some kind of scanning device. Maybe they were scouting a suitable landing area for Wraith Hive ships one their way to Atlantis.

My dad thought the Wraith darts were forcing the people into the beam to transport them onto the Hive ships but I thought the Dart's own transporter did that any way, so this doesn't seem right.

smushybird
March 5th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Leadership. :) Is he not magnificent?
This was an exciting, interesting episode. Is there ever a post-episode chat anywhere online?
I want to know more about McKay, Sheppard, Beckett, Zelenka, and Ford.
I hope the addition of all these new characters in Season 2 will not prevent the writers from continuing to flesh out our heroes. It definitely ain't broke, so please don't try to fix it by dumping a lot of new characters on us while we're busy falling hopelessly in love with the ones we've already got.
Poor John Sheppard. He really needed a hug and a comforting pat on the back by the time LfP was over. Not even Liz seemed all that concerned that he had no one to send a letter home to. Sadness.
The writers do such a superb job of creating complex characters (and the actors are brilliant in bringing them to life). I'm impressed as hell.

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Question when the ships came out of hyper space wasn't there more then 3 hive ships? I thought i counted 6. Or is there a ship a size between a dart and hive ship?

John described them as aircraft carrier groups, with cruisers escorting the hive ships and darts.

Hatcheter
March 5th, 2005, 03:10 PM
It could be a sort of transporter uplink. The darts gather humans up, then fly over to the beam and "forward" them up to the hive ship. That would let the darts keep working without returning to orbit to unload their cargo.

jsw
March 5th, 2005, 03:33 PM
granted I know when we get the zpm we will be able to keep them out of atlantis. but how in the hell are we going to destroy that wraith armada sheppard saw. diid not know the wraith had that kind of fleet. anyone who has seen the siege please drop a hint dying to know would be greatly appreciated

MarshAngel
March 5th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Well, when they hibernate for years their Hive ships do become in a sense a city, kind of like Atlantis really. I like the idea about them extracting resources and minerals, it does make sense if their ships are part organic. Maybe the ships suck minerals and resources out of planets like their inhabitants do out of humans.

I will buy that they have lived on their ships for thousands of years. But what I really meant was that it's not like they just rose up from day one and moved into space. They must have had a civilization of some kind on the planet they evolved on before they built their ships. I'd like to see evidence of that. It would clear up some of the mysteries of their existence.

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 03:56 PM
granted I know when we get the zpm we will be able to keep them out of atlantis. but how in the hell are we going to destroy that wraith armada sheppard saw. diid not know the wraith had that kind of fleet. anyone who has seen the siege please drop a hint dying to know would be greatly appreciated

The season finale is a cliffhanger, no one can answer your question.

alz0rz
March 5th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Yeah, I thought that once the darts are full they fly through the beam and the humans are sent up for safekeeping :P

defina91rvc
March 5th, 2005, 04:06 PM
very good episode with some hilarious moments. beckett talking about fungus, and mckay talking about leadership. also, very funny how he mentioned sam and was so melodromatic. what was that blue beam from the wraith ship??

greytop
March 5th, 2005, 04:47 PM
John described them as aircraft carrier groups, with cruisers escorting the hive ships and darts.
Could the cruisers the John was describe be similiar to the one in The Defiant One?

greytop
March 5th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Good ep and i really want to see how SGC reacts to the news but i guess i wont see that for awhile. We get to see alot of charchterzation and emotion from some charchters that we never get to. Both Teyla and Ford had more then 2 lines and you could actually know how they were feeling and connect with them.

That one scientist guy is starting to piss me off. :mad: Trying to report on Weir.
I believe that we will see that in Mobeus.

Kavanagh reminds me a lot like Kinsey or an operative of the NID. He didn't agree with Wier, in her desision, in 38 Minutes and this was a way to get back at her for putting him in his place, I thought.

MrBojangles
March 5th, 2005, 05:19 PM
Was that beam that emerged from the village ever explained? If so, please tell me in Spoiler tags. :(

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Could the cruisers the John was describe be similiar to the one in The Defiant One?

I think we're talking different classes. My guess is really that the mention of smaller ships was a set up so that they don't have to weight till fifth season to find middle sized ships like they did in SG1.

macktheknife
March 5th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Kavanagh is a bit of a ******, but as long as he is'nt sabotaging the mission or not doing his work, i would'nt care. He got busted harshly though, and really resented havnig it in front of his team.

ShadowMaat
March 5th, 2005, 07:25 PM
The fact that people hate Kavanagh so much only proves how effective the character is. Not everyone on Atlantis can be cute and cuddly. You need pragmatic characters and jackholes to balance things out. Kavanagh does a great job of that and as much as I think he's a miserable SOB, I want him to stick around. Although I wouldn't object to more humiliation. :D

American3.141592654
March 5th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Well, I took solace in the knowlege that by the time he gets to his spiel about the serious misjudgements of Dr. Weir, Jack would have turned off the video.

Kavanagh (on recording): "I feel it is my duty to inform you of what I consider to be serious errors in judgement among the leaders of this expidition..."
CLICK.
Jack: "I think I've seen enough of that. Nice of him to write, though."

-IMF


Yeah, Oneill wouldn't pay any attention to him but Ford still should have told him, "You're alive because of her, so shove it!" :) hehe... Thing is all his little story does is prove that some people you just can't reach...

SmartFox
March 5th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Im glad that he was in this ep because it allowed Ford to be disgusted and show some emotion for the first time.

Shep'sSocks
March 6th, 2005, 12:18 AM
I'm pretty sure Ford's showed emotion previously...

Kip_Cathey_Furlings_are_Cats
March 6th, 2005, 06:59 AM
Was that beam that emerged from the village ever explained? If so, please tell me in Spoiler tags. :(
No.

Does that need tags? Lol

ShadowMaat
March 6th, 2005, 07:03 AM
Spoiler tags aren't needed if it's in the discussion thread for the ep in question. ;)

My guess is the beam will be explained in Siege III.

keshou
March 6th, 2005, 07:56 AM
I want to know more about McKay, Sheppard, Beckett, Zelenka, and Ford. I hope the addition of all these new characters in Season 2 will not prevent the writers from continuing to flesh out our heroes. It definitely ain't broke, so please don't try to fix it by dumping a lot of new characters on us while we're busy falling hopelessly in love with the ones we've already got.
I hope not either. I'm just starting to really like some of these characters. Some still need a little work but I think they're fixable. Hope they don't over-tweak things.


Poor John Sheppard. He really needed a hug and a comforting pat on the back by the time LfP was over. Not even Liz seemed all that concerned that he had no one to send a letter home to. Sadness.
The writers do such a superb job of creating complex characters (and the actors are brilliant in bringing them to life). I'm impressed as hell.
Yeah, Shep is attractive and the type of guy who usually has lots of friends. And no family - at all - to send a message to? I hope we get more background information on him in S2.

I'm also impressed with what they're doing on Atlantis in the second half of the season. Hope they continue down the same path in S2. :)

MrBojangles
March 6th, 2005, 09:30 AM
No.

Does that need tags? Lol
Oh well. It's a habit to use spoiler tags on newer episodes for me.

Whistler
March 6th, 2005, 09:40 AM
I believe that we will see that in Mobeus.

Nope, to my knowledge we will not see the effects of Letters in SG-1 until Season 9. ;)

SophieTucker
March 6th, 2005, 11:04 AM
I enjoyed the episode - a good mix of interjecting humor into a grim situation. The letters home were priceless, Beckett is too funny "I wish I wasn't here" and Zelenka's look - security clearance?

Rodney was hysterical but very touching when he talked to his sister - definitely my favorite character.

However, I would say I began to see a lot more depth in Sheppard this episode. He was visibly troubled by not being able to help more people on the planet but aware of his responsibility to get the intel back to Atlantis. I think Flanigan gave a particularly good performance this episode.

PugGate
March 6th, 2005, 12:27 PM
Part of me likes how they ended the episode with Carter in the SGC, but it seems like we should have stopped in the Atlantis gateroom, so we could see whether or not the generators are still there.

greytop
March 6th, 2005, 05:13 PM
What get me is when Beckett does his personal message.

Paraphase
Ford: Tell you family that you wish they were here.
Beckett: What. I don't even want to be here.

If Beckett doesn't want to be there, why did he volunteer for the expediation in the first place?