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Tonia Barone
July 21st, 2008, 04:50 PM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni

Shaod
July 21st, 2008, 05:42 PM
It may be that the life signs detector was already activated by somebody else and Radek just picked it up

ykickamoocow
July 21st, 2008, 05:43 PM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni

The only thing i cant think of is that Sheppard was wrong in "The Siege Part 2) and the life signs detector can be used by anyone once it is activated by someone with the ATA gene.

Infinatus
July 21st, 2008, 06:08 PM
Didn't Radek fly a jumper in The Brotherhood?

Tonia Barone
July 21st, 2008, 06:12 PM
Didn't Radek fly a jumper in The Brotherhood?

Um...no? Carson, "Smitty" and some other grunts did, but not Radek. He stayed in the city watching the sensors.

Oops, that was Letters From Pegasus, I think. Either way, no.

Reiko
July 21st, 2008, 06:31 PM
ยป Oh, no! Where'd I put my show bible!?

Ltcolshepjumper
July 21st, 2008, 06:42 PM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni

Look at travelers. Larrin does the same thing. also, Lucius does the same in Irresponsible, only with the personal shield.

Rosehawk
July 21st, 2008, 06:53 PM
So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni

I can't remember the episode but Mckay mentioned in S4 that they found that most of the systems, just needed someone with the gene to activate everything, they didn't necessarily have to have the gene to make it work once it was activated.
Damn, I know I just saw that episode recently so it had to be in S4, Maybe the Return pt1???

EdenSG
July 21st, 2008, 07:02 PM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni


It was not a Life Signs Detector.

When Radek got to the creature he said, "I'm going to see if I can determine how much power it is draining." He then held the device up close to the creature thing and appeared to be taking energy readings. So while it looked like a life signs detector it was not an LSD, it was some sort of energy meter.

andromeda_dan
July 21st, 2008, 07:37 PM
yup, Radek was taking power readings so they may know what power source they can use to bait the vines away from the main conduits. It wasnt clear as to which non-vital systems or instruments/ weapons doesn't need the ancient genes. Here's my list of systems that needs the AG in order to work (not just activate/ initialize for non-AG SGA team member to use):
1. puddle jumper
2. the weapons chair
3. Life sign detector
4. ZPM power console
5. city-ship navigation chair

Alipeeps
July 22nd, 2008, 12:20 AM
It was not a Life Signs Detector.

When Radek got to the creature he said, "I'm going to see if I can determine how much power it is draining." He then held the device up close to the creature thing and appeared to be taking energy readings. So while it looked like a life signs detector it was not an LSD, it was some sort of energy meter.

Same as in Reunion, where the same question was raised on JM's blog after Radek was shown using what looked like an LSD to find the power conduits in the walls of the Wraith base. JM explained at the time that what Radek was using was not an LSD. The confusion arises I guess because the prop used looks too darn similar to an LSD - from an in-verse perspective I guess it would make sense that various handheld Ancient console type bits of equipment might have a similar design but from an out-verse perspective it would have avoided confusion if TPTB had designed something a little different to make it clear it's not an LSD.

EternalAlteran
July 22nd, 2008, 04:56 AM
There are many occassions on stargate where Ancient tech is used without anyone with an ATA gene.

I believe the devices can be programmed by people with the ATA gene and they decide wether other non ATA people can use them after they turned it on.

Alipeeps
July 22nd, 2008, 05:57 AM
There are many occassions on stargate where Ancient tech is used without anyone with an ATA gene.

I believe the devices can be programmed by people with the ATA gene and they decide wether other non ATA people can use them after they turned it on.

That's true of much Ancient tech, however it has been specifically referenced in The Siege Part II that the LSD will only work if you have the ATA gene.

Integrabyte
July 22nd, 2008, 06:03 AM
That's true of much Ancient tech, however it has been specifically referenced in The Siege Part II that the LSD will only work if you have the ATA gene.

Hence, gene therapy for the wacky gunman :P.

Mitchell82
July 22nd, 2008, 09:56 AM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

So, with that being the case, and if that IS an LSD...how is Radek, who stated in Hot Zone that the gene therapy "didn't take", able to use it? Did a later gene therapy take and we weren't told (which I find highly unlikely; news that big would have been mentioned, I would think) or is this another instance of the writers not paying attention to continuity?

Toni

It's not a LSD. It was a laptop he used to determine the power drain.

kymeric
July 22nd, 2008, 07:00 PM
They should know enough to mod around the gene thing after 4 yrs.

Jack_Bauer
July 23rd, 2008, 07:41 AM
I can't remember the episode but Mckay mentioned in S4 that they found that most of the systems, just needed someone with the gene to activate everything, they didn't necessarily have to have the gene to make it work once it was activated.


Took the words right out of my mouth, hence, green for you :D

Integrabyte
July 23rd, 2008, 09:08 AM
There's a scene, when Teyla and Radek go to see how far the infection has spread. Radek is wandering by himself and is using what looks suspiciously like a life signs detector (LSD). Except, it's been stated several times (the Siege 2, most notably) that you cannot use the LSD without the gene; it's not a device that can be activated by a gene carrier then used by non-carriers.

Unfortunately, this thing is a plot device. I mean, those ancients were keeping secrets from one another, hiding things in other dimensions, and bang, you activate something and everyone can use it. It was a lame excuse to justify the lack of depth regarding the ATA gene.