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mago1978
July 19th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Do you think that there is a human at the heart of each full grown Wraith ship?

If that is the case they would have to have some sort of primary function.

Can a Hive or a Cruiser be killed by the same virus used on this episode?

Are we going to see missions where a team infiltrates a Hive to deliver the virus to this "human core"?

Xaeden
July 19th, 2008, 10:38 AM
I doubt it since the insides of Hives don't seem to defend themselves and the computers can now tell it to regrow certain damaged sections on command. So it seems a Human has served its purpose once the hull is completed.

Also, if you're going to sneak aboard a Hive to try and destroy it, there are far easier options than trying to dodge Wraith until you reach the core and then trying to dodge them on your way out. Instead you can hide a nuke in the dart bay, set it to go off at a certain time, and then get right out of there. And even that is quite risky.

The Prophet
July 19th, 2008, 10:41 AM
They're actually hybrids. And they spurt out a lot of nonsense which some Wraith deem to be religious.

... wrong show :P

mago1978
July 19th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I doubt it since the insides of Hives don't seem to defend themselves and the computers can now tell it to regrow certain damaged sections on command. So it seems a Human has served its purpose once the hull is completed.

Good point, however Keller spoke as the ship that was growing. Maybe there is still that human in every ship but they serve a smaller purpose.

Infinatus
July 19th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Rodney said it looked like Keller was in a kind of cocoon. I would assume that if humans are necessary for the construction of Wraith ships that after the job was done the Wraith would do what they do to everyone else they cocoon. But then, in No Man's Land Rodney and Ronon's cocoons did grow around them which wouldn't be possible if the Hive structure was completely lifeless as was implied after Keller was freed, so maybe there is a human somewhere in each Hive ship.

Here's a thought: what if this is actually the explanation for why the Wraith cocoon humans. It has been shown that the Wraith don't actually need to cocoon humans in order to feed, so up until now it seemed kind of pointless except as a restraint. Maybe Hive ships are dependent cocooned humans, but after the original is fed upon the Hive can use somebody else.

auror
July 19th, 2008, 11:30 AM
I think the fact that each wraith ship *might* need a human is the weakness in wraith technology that the Ancients on the Aurora discovered. :wraith:

EternalAlteran
July 19th, 2008, 12:11 PM
A human in each ship, sounds a little Babylon 5 like don't you think.

Though if it is true, i think the wraith use smaller animals instead of their foodsupply to build ships.

Prior_of_the_Ori
July 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM
I think the fact that each wraith ship *might* need a human is the weakness in wraith technology that the Ancients on the Aurora discovered. :wraith:

I think I remember asking that on JM's blog and he said "Not exactly" or something like that so I don't think its the weakness that the Aurora discovered.

Rac80
July 19th, 2008, 01:49 PM
Rodney said it looked like Keller was in a kind of cocoon. I would assume that if humans are necessary for the construction of Wraith ships that after the job was done the Wraith would do what they do to everyone else they cocoon. But then, in No Man's Land Rodney and Ronon's cocoons did grow around them which wouldn't be possible if the Hive structure was completely lifeless as was implied after Keller was freed, so maybe there is a human somewhere in each Hive ship.

Here's a thought: what if this is actually the explanation for why the Wraith cocoon humans. It has been shown that the Wraith don't actually need to cocoon humans in order to feed, so up until now it seemed kind of pointless except as a restraint. Maybe Hive ships are dependent cocooned humans, but after the original is fed upon the Hive can use somebody else.


I think the fact that each wraith ship *might* need a human is the weakness in wraith technology that the Ancients on the Aurora discovered. :wraith:

Very interesting ideas both of you. this episode gave us a lot to speculate on. I enjoy eps where we learn a bit more about the wraith!

mago1978
July 19th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Here's a thought: what if this is actually the explanation for why the Wraith cocoon humans. It has been shown that the Wraith don't actually need to cocoon humans in order to feed, so up until now it seemed kind of pointless except as a restraint. Maybe Hive ships are dependent cocooned humans, but after the original is fed upon the Hive can use somebody else.

It is obvious to me that the humans captured and cocooned are in fact being preserved for later feedings nothing more nothing less.
The cocoon is a "refrigerator keeping the food fresh".

PG15
July 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Yeah, I think the human is only the...software needed to install the hiveship, if you know what I mean. After that it's Feeding Town.

Though a story revolving around a group of Wraith worshippers who are groomed for this job may be interesting.

CRAZY4DH
July 19th, 2008, 07:44 PM
I think the assumption that a human is at the heart of each Wraith ship is way off. It's a Wraith Ship. There could be a Wraith at the heart of each ship cocooned for safety. Nutrients would come through the tendrils.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 19th, 2008, 09:10 PM
What I would like to know is where do the Wraith get the energy to power their hive ships? The Ancients and the expedition need ZPMs, but what do the Wraith use? Solar energy?

Ouroboros
July 19th, 2008, 09:28 PM
It's more likely a Wraith drone and the only reason the injection worked was because for some extremely odd reason those tentacles covered everything except Keller's face.

If the growing hive just encased it's host in tentacles injecting the host would have been impossible.

I don't think the host survives after the hive ship matures either as that would basically imply a human like level of sentience for empty hiveships, something that's never really been seen before. More likely the host is only necessary for the part of the life cycle in which the ship grows, as the hijacked brain functions are needed to co-ordinate the particulars of that growth. Once it's fully grown and has grown its own computers and what not to manage its functions the single human brain would presumably become obsolete and largely inadequate to manage all it's functions when contrasted to something like a full on advanced computer core.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 20th, 2008, 02:31 AM
Though a story revolving around a group of Wraith worshippers who are groomed for this job may be interesting.

That would explain why the Wraith even bother with Wraith Worshipers, wouldn't it...

Shan Bruce Lee
July 20th, 2008, 02:33 AM
It's more likely a Wraith drone and the only reason the injection worked was because for some extremely odd reason those tentacles covered everything except Keller's face.

If the growing hive just encased it's host in tentacles injecting the host would have been impossible.

Yeah but then the host would suffocate :)

Prior_of_the_Ori
July 20th, 2008, 03:34 AM
I personally think that the host gets sacrificed in the process of maturation and that they are effectively dead once the pathogen has grown into its designated shape. Kind of reminds me of Babylon 5's Shadow vessels which required a host to serve as the control system for the vessel.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 20th, 2008, 03:36 AM
I personally think that the host gets sacrificed in the process of maturation and that they are effectively dead once the pathogen has grown into its designated shape. Kind of reminds me of Babylon 5's Shadow vessels which required a host to serve as the control system for the vessel.

That's kinda what I thought - Not about the Babylon 5 stuff cause I have no idea what you're talking about lol

Zevan
July 20th, 2008, 08:19 AM
I personally think that the host gets sacrificed in the process of maturation and that they are effectively dead once the pathogen has grown into its designated shape. Kind of reminds me of Babylon 5's Shadow vessels which required a host to serve as the control system for the vessel.

If that is the case, why not use a fellow wraith as a host and keep its consciousness intact like the hybrids in Galactica? Would it not be a more effective ship as it could practically operate on its own..

PG15
July 20th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Wraiths can easily turn against each other; you don't want one of them as hosts. The kind of hosts you need are those whose minds are pliable, and totally devoted to the well-being of all Wraiths.

wise one
July 20th, 2008, 10:51 AM
I think the fact that each wraith ship *might* need a human is the weakness in wraith technology that the Ancients on the Aurora discovered. :wraith:

if that was the case then the asuran replicators was right all this time, having no humans to the wraith, they slowly die

Prior_of_the_Ori
July 20th, 2008, 12:46 PM
That's kinda what I thought - Not about the Babylon 5 stuff cause I have no idea what you're talking about lol

In Babylon 5, there exists an ancient race called the Shadows who made living starships - a lot more predatory in form compared to the Hiveships. Anyway, these vessels are made and require a living being to serve as their central processor. Their brains are rewired and they are plugged into the living ships where they serve as pilots.


If that is the case, why not use a fellow wraith as a host and keep its consciousness intact like the hybrids in Galactica? Would it not be a more effective ship as it could practically operate on its own..

Well we have no idea how the process is done normally. From what we saw though, it's clear that the host does not survive the process of transformation. Their brains are used to serve as the CPU for growing organism. It's possible the Wraith or Michael could engineer a version that requires a Wraith for a host but that's not what they went with.

EternalAlteran
July 21st, 2008, 08:41 AM
If there was a human at the heart of each hive, why do the wraith use so many control stations.

Also in the episode underground, we see their computer core.