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mammon
November 6th, 2004, 08:35 AM
i don't know what you all think but i'd like to see a download section in gateworld..
(download section = place where you can download Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis wallpapers, screensavers and desktop themes, maybe some fonts [such as the alpabets of Ancients] and what ever more..)

Ugly Pig
November 7th, 2004, 09:25 AM
I don't know, isn't that the kind of stuff you usually find on official sites?

ShadowMaat
November 7th, 2004, 09:44 AM
LOTS of people have a media/downloads section. Which doesn't necessarily mean Gateworld shouldn't, but with stuff like wallpapers and sounds, it's usually too individual to be very effective. How do you know which wallpapers to make available? Which sounds? What screensavers could they have that aren't already somewhere else?

There IS a wallpapers thread here on the forums, though. *shrug* Still, it's an idea, and not a bad one. Go throw gummi bears at Darren and David until one or both give you an answer. ;)

Replicarter
November 7th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Not realy, they do do them, mainly basic but profettional ones, then, how can i put this, the less popular fansites, which are more creatic usualy do loads of walpapers, but i dont use any of them, then you get sites like gateworld, who just have good info, and done fill up with walpapers, i personely wouldent want to see wallpapers, unless they were very very good quality ones, design very well. Sorry if this offends anyone. But a language section would be good, but i think there doing this anyway later on.

Replicarter
November 7th, 2004, 09:47 AM
LOTS of people have a media/downloads section. Which doesn't necessarily mean Gateworld shouldn't, but with stuff like wallpapers and sounds, it's usually too individual to be very effective. How do you know which wallpapers to make available? Which sounds? What screensavers could they have that aren't already somewhere else?

There IS a wallpapers thread here on the forums, though. *shrug* Still, it's an idea, and not a bad one. Go throw gummi bears at Darren and David until one or both give you an answer. ;)

Your telling them to go ask David or Darren? You know especialy if you ask David something he tells you to go ask Darren and vice versa lol :D And you even asked twice.

Hum, i re-read the psot a few times, i re worded it a little but i dont thinks is soming over good, well, i dont mean to sound bad in anyway.

aschen
November 7th, 2004, 10:00 AM
I don't know, isn't that the kind of stuff you usually find on official sites?

Indeed, but IMO, the official sites kinda suck. GateWorld!

David
November 7th, 2004, 10:14 AM
I have proposed to Darren to do a downloads section of sorts, but already we have exclusive media available for download - the audio and video interviews and documentaries for example, are all downloadable. Wallpapers - well, everyone does wallpapers, and there are some excellent ones out there. One of these days we might bring someone aboard to design wallpapers, screen savers, etc, but our efforts are focused on other high-quality, exclusive items at the moment.

Personally what I'd like to see go into the GateWorld Store is exclusive merchandise such as hats (the kind with just the bill that wrap around and velcro to the back of your head, can't think of what they're called) with the GateWorld emblem. I wear those all the time. And shirts, of course, maybe high-quality mugs, or GW-symbol mission patches in black to go with your con outfit, but there's no way to know the interest people would have in such items.

Wass
November 7th, 2004, 10:18 AM
I would be interested David why don't you set up new poll on the subject see what people think.

David
November 7th, 2004, 10:35 AM
I've thought about it, but the reason I haven't done it is because at this point it's just not something we think it's worth investing in - again, at this point.

As GateWorld gradually gains more popularity (hopefully) it may be something down the road.

ShadowMaat
November 7th, 2004, 10:38 AM
Feel free to throw gummi bears at David, anyway. Lick 'em first so they'll stick better. :P

I'd love GW merch. dunno about a visor, but I do like my hats. And mugs- provided it's a megamug. And I have a cool t-shirt collection.

It'll be something to look forward to, maybe. Some day. :)

aschen
November 7th, 2004, 10:52 AM
I'd but GateWorld merch. :B

David
November 7th, 2004, 10:56 AM
My family's a big fan of tall mugs, not the wimpy standard-assembly-line 3 inchers.

2005 is going to change everything for GateWorld. In a major way. - Darren's words, not mine, which is good. Especially the amount of new content that is kicked out. We've just started implementing a new system that will put many more hands into the bucket and get things rolling BIG time. Darren will be free to other stuff while others of us can do some dirty work. If the new software works, that is.

Transcripts, Summaries, a completed Omnipedia and loads of new features will only be months away.

ShadowMaat
November 7th, 2004, 10:57 AM
Fingers crossed for the software working, then. :)

aschen
November 7th, 2004, 10:59 AM
My family's a big fan of tall mugs, not the wimpy standard-assembly-line 3 inchers.

David, I hereby formally request you make big GW beer mugs. :D

Anubis
November 7th, 2004, 11:03 AM
My family's a big fan of tall mugs, not the wimpy standard-assembly-line 3 inchers.

2005 is going to change everything for GateWorld. In a major way. - Darren's words, not mine, which is good. Especially the amount of new content that is kicked out. We've just started implementing a new system that will put many more hands into the bucket and get things rolling BIG time. Darren will be free to other stuff while others of us can do some dirty work. If the new software works, that is.

Transcripts, Summaries, a completed Omnipedia and loads of new features will only be months away.



Sounds like 2005 will be big. Is that a full-year summary, or just January? :D

MartoufMarty
November 7th, 2004, 11:05 AM
Don't change the layout too much! It's really nice and comfy the way it is! I'd get lost too easy.

... I just said comfy...

Anubis
November 7th, 2004, 11:08 AM
Don't change the layout too much! It's really nice and comfy the way it is! I'd get lost too easy.

... I just said comfy...



I doubt that layout would be changed, I can't imagine that. If it would be changed, I'm not sure how it would be for the better. But new features sounds very interesting indeed. :)

ShadowMaat
November 7th, 2004, 11:17 AM
Ever seen the layout of the old Gateworld? Starguide? The current set-up is an improvement over that. IF the layout changes, it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. I doubt they WILL change, but I'm just saying... ;)

Anubis
November 7th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Ever seen the layout of the old Gateworld? Starguide? The current set-up is an improvement over that. IF the layout changes, it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. I doubt they WILL change, but I'm just saying... ;)



I remember Starguide, slightly. It certainly is an improvment to that. But if it is changed, I sure Darren and David will get their ideas together and make it look really cool. :)

GateWorld
November 7th, 2004, 11:21 AM
I have had a large "Fandom" section for GW stewing in the back of my head for a couple of years now. This would include things like fan art, wallpapers, ad infinitum. The trick is to pull it off in a way that it doesn't rely on ME to make daily updates.

There are two ways it could happen: 1) We bring a small number of highly talented fan artists onto the staff to kick out high-quality material every few weeks. Or, 2) We create an auto-upload and indexing system, such as GateWorld FanFic now uses, to allow anyone and every to upload fan art, wallpaper, etc. In the latter case, it would be up to visitors to find the wheat amongst the chaff, and of course we'd highlight some of the best, like we do now with fanfic.

Anubis
November 7th, 2004, 11:24 AM
There are two ways it could happen: 1) We bring a small number of highly talented fan artists onto the staff to kick out high-quality material every few weeks. Or, 2) We create an auto-upload and indexing system, such as GateWorld FanFic now uses, to allow anyone and every to upload fan art, wallpaper, etc. In the latter case, it would be up to visitors to find the wheat amongst the chaff, and of course we'd highlight some of the best, like we do now with fanfic.



I think either one could work. I know it all depends on what you decide of course, but I'm sure it would all work out, and we'd all grow alongside the GW community! :D

ShadowMaat
November 7th, 2004, 11:26 AM
The upload feature sounds like a good idea. Much easier than trying to keep a personal cadre of high-strung, emotionally manic artistes happy. ;) *ducks volley of paints and photoshop progs*

Dana_Jeanne
November 7th, 2004, 11:38 AM
Go over to Stargatefan.com and you'll find all of that and more. Wonder around the site and you'll find all sorts of interesting things.

Dana Jeanne

Replicarter
November 7th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Actualy, I think having a team of people who can make them exclusivly for the site would be better, then your garnateed quality, and there exclusiv to gate world. Because other people might upload there wallpapers to more than one location, or even upload other peoples work.

Jprime
November 7th, 2004, 11:47 AM
A downloads section sounds excellent! In regards to David's ideas about GateWorld store, I would DEFINITELY purchase a hat or maybe a coffee mug! Its a great idea and its sure to bring GateWorld even more popularity than it already does. People will ask what the GW stands for, and you can bet I'll be there to answer them!

Replicarter
November 7th, 2004, 11:56 AM
Yea, id buy stuff from the shop, if it wasent to expensive, but im not quite sure what kind of had you mean? Id like those ones that look like half a ball, that you just pull on lol.

SaharaGate
November 7th, 2004, 02:34 PM
I have had a large "Fandom" section for GW stewing in the back of my head for a couple of years now. This would include things like fan art, wallpapers, ad infinitum. The trick is to pull it off in a way that it doesn't rely on ME to make daily updates.

There are two ways it could happen: 1) We bring a small number of highly talented fan artists onto the staff to kick out high-quality material every few weeks. Or, 2) We create an auto-upload and indexing system, such as GateWorld FanFic now uses, to allow anyone and every to upload fan art, wallpaper, etc. In the latter case, it would be up to visitors to find the wheat amongst the chaff, and of course we'd highlight some of the best, like we do now with fanfic.

This is to Darren or David (practically interchangeable hehe).

So does this mean that Darren is personally responsible for ALL the updates around here? Every time a page changes, an interview goes up or some breaking news occurs?

Because my heart goes out to him if that's the case :o :D

The reason I ask is because you mention big changes next year, and I'm wondering if you've ever considered a content management system? Not that I am an advocate of change or anything...I like the look of the site the way it is now.

But with a CMS, the site would be live-editable (ie. no uploading) and all Darren's minions could add content really easily and be given different levels of access.

Just a thought.

Don't throw things please. :o

Unless they're gummi bears (I have a strong affinity to the little critters stemming from childhood experiences).

But no licking them! :p

David
November 7th, 2004, 02:48 PM
A Content Management System is indeed what we're implementing. Well done. The question is whether or not this is the one for us. Darren is EXTREMELY picky, and considering the course GW has steered herself, that ain't necessarily a bad thing :)

As to the question way back a few posts ago about the changing layout, no. The modifications we made to the homepage several months ago (the three columns and drop-down menus) will be the last changes you'll see for a while, just because I think we've really found our "thing" with it. It works great and it looks a little different every day because of the rotating episode guide.

HOWEVER, once the Omnipedia is updated well beyond where it is we will be changing the look to it. The columns will remain the same, but the six category main pages (Characters, Races, Planets, Ships, Technology, Miscellany), + the opening Omnipedia page, only include six items and hold no room for Atlantis or other goodies. We'll make an alteration to accommodate both shows, and very probably, a seventh section we have brewing.

SaharaGate
November 7th, 2004, 03:37 PM
A Content Management System is indeed what we're implementing. Well done. The question is whether or not this is the one for us. Darren is EXTREMELY picky, and considering the course GW has steered herself, that ain't necessarily a bad thing :)



Well there you go! Always a step ahead aren't you guys! :D

May I ask which one you are thinking about?

I can't say I know a huge amount about them, but I *do* happen to know a developer who has made a pretty darn good one (imo) and I'm pretty sure he offers the source free...

That's if you are still looking at alternatives.

edited to add: And he's an SG fan too ;)

David
November 7th, 2004, 03:51 PM
If we have problems, I'll be sure we get in touch with you! As to which one we're dealing with right now, as Fraiser says: "Your guess is as good as mine."

Darren
November 8th, 2004, 07:32 AM
Yep, a CMS will allow for exactly the "big changes" David was alluding to. It will make it possible for all my minions to publish content to the site themselves, rather than requiring me to be the funnel for every bit and byte.

We're currently poking at OpenCMS, but David also forwarded me the link to Mambo (I think from you!). We'll check 'em both out. This is a long-term change, though, and once we decide on a system we won't begin a conversion of the site until early 2005.

Darren

SaharaGate
November 9th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Yep, a CMS will allow for exactly the "big changes" David was alluding to. It will make it possible for all my minions to publish content to the site themselves, rather than requiring me to be the funnel for every bit and byte.

That's really very cool!

Gateworld is such a huge site with so much news and content, it's amazing you've kept up with it so far!

You should go on holidays or something after this. Give your typing fingers a rest :D

I hear Vancouver is nice...


We're currently poking at OpenCMS, but David also forwarded me the link to Mambo (I think from you!). We'll check 'em both out. This is a long-term change, though, and once we decide on a system we won't begin a conversion of the site until early 2005.

Darren

Yep that was me.

I haven't actually tried it out, but I'm told it's one of the better ones.

I'm sure whatever you end up deciding, it will be a huge improvement and suit gateworld very well. :D

David
November 9th, 2004, 09:14 PM
All of the efforts you have seen thus far have been that of one man putting data to the site. Darren. Imagine three or four of us.

It's scary, even to me.

SaharaGate
November 10th, 2004, 04:51 AM
All of the efforts you have seen thus far have been that of one man putting data to the site. Darren. Imagine three or four of us.

It's scary, even to me.

Well if it means quadruple the content.....

then consider me excited! :D :D :D :D :D :D

Andy867
November 10th, 2004, 06:22 PM
One thing I have found to be useful for webmasters when it comes to site content and news posting, etc., is using a system that allows a person to log on and allows them to update the news real-time

A good example of this system is JediKnight.net (http://www.jediknight.net)

On the site, I can easily add news, change/edit existing news, or delete (though I have yet to delete or see a news post deleted). I can also post pictures easily enough with the curret setup. It really works well if you are planning to add news posters.

There is also a system that JK.net/Lucasfiles uses that I think may have been made "in-house" but it really works well for uploading anything (wallpapers, files in general...)