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July 9th, 2008, 12:08 PM
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When an alien organism triggers a quarantine and incapacitates Dr. Keller, the team revives an old friend from stasis for help.

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Vala_M
July 18th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Wow! First post!

Very cool episode! I was afraid at first when Woolsey was spouting all those rules and such. Nice to see Dr. Beckett out of stasis. I was afraid that they were going to pop him out and have him solve that and then put him back in! I'm glad that wasn't the case. I hate the new briefing table! Commanders shouldn't be allowed to change the briefing tables, at least not for something like Atlantis. I was surprised that Kanan and some of the others were cured from being hybrids, and more surprised that it was with the retrovirus with a few modifications! I guess that since they were only minor part Wraith (relatively speaking) that they only needed one dose instead of the daily doses.

The Wraith bug/virus was pretty cool and kind of disgusting. Wonder how exactly the team got exposed on Michael's compound. I'm also glad that we finally got an idea of how hive ships are grown. Would Atlantis have turned into a hive ship if that wasn't stopped? How would that work? Does the second conciousness in Keller mean that hive ships have a sense of being and awareness or not? I would think not since it didn't show up as a life sign, but there's too many unanswered questions there to speculate on the matter.

It was funny how the team mentioned the alternate timeline and Woolsey in charge stuff.

I was wondering how they were going to solve this inside of 45 minutes and I was pleasantly surprised. It was such a joy seeing Dr. Beckett again! I wonder how long he will be back on Earth and I was glad and surprised that Woolsey allowed him to stay on Atlantis to work on the problem. I hope that they eventually cure him completley or something like that and don't have to put him back in stasis again.

Was it just me or did Zelenka look different in this episode? His hair and teeth looked different to me.

I liked how Woolsey bended a little to the established rules and such, I was afraid that he was going to be all bearucratical through the whole episode. IF Woolsey makes decisions like this, maybe this season won't be that bad afterall.

I'm not surprised by Woolsey being disappointed that even he couldn't follow his own rules.

A very good episode and I'm glad that Woolsey joining the cast wasn't as bad as I feared it would be.

Vala,

Sweetsong
July 18th, 2008, 07:04 PM
The whole thing I was wondering while I was watching this episode was why is it that Teyla seems to be back on active duty as if her indecision while she was pregnant never happened. I full well expected them to have an episode addressing Teyla's unwillingness to return to active duty, because she was concerned about her son growing up without parents. I must admit I was midly surprised to see her leading the team through the city, P90 in hand.

Coolest part of the episode was seeing Shepard crash the jumper into the tower and then get stabbed by a tenctacle. lol.

segaxgames
July 18th, 2008, 07:04 PM
SO THAT's where the hive ships come from! OMG

So is there a person in each hive? WOW this is cool

segaxgames
July 18th, 2008, 07:05 PM
The whole thing I was wondering while I was watching this episode was why is it that Teyla seems to be back on active duty as if her indecision while she was pregnant never happened. I full well expected them to have an episode addressing Teyla's unwillingness to return to active duty, because she was concerned about her son growing up without parents. I must admit I was midly surprised to see her leading the team through the city, P90 in hand.

Coolest part of the episode was seeing Shepard crash the jumper into the tower and then get stabbed by a tenctacle. lol.

Didn't you listen to John, In this episode a month has passed between the events of Search and Rescue and the Seed. That would explain why she can wield a P90. Also, she wasn't "leading the team" She was just helping Atlantis with the Tentacle problem since the rest of the team was infected. Also, I think she is going to go to earth on the daedalus.

RepliVeggie
July 18th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Good episode. Better then I thought it was going to bed. Make me wonder. Do the Wraith take human women inject them with the Virus and create their Queens and Hive ships that way. Like when the ship is complete it detaches from the person and the person comes out a queen.


Carson is going to Earth. Teyla isn't going to go to Earth since Kenon wouldn't be allowed and her people are in a time of need.

Sweetsong
July 18th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Didn't you listen to John, In this episode a month has passed between the events of Search and Rescue and the Seed. Also, I think she is going to go to earth on the daedalus.

Eh, what are you talking about?:confused:

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 07:12 PM
This one was even better than I thought it would be.
Not many funny lines but Rodney's reluctance to stand up in the beginning was funny. It also showed the discontent they all had about Carter being replaced.

There were a lot of threads woven into the story to make it a good one.

Ryan Anderson
July 18th, 2008, 07:13 PM
First episode in quite a while that really gave me the SGA feel. However, next week's episode seems to really bring back the good ol' days.

Teslan
July 18th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Boy, Woolsey had a tough first challenge. He didn't pass with flying colors, but it is good to see that he is open to suggestions.

ladyjanus
July 18th, 2008, 07:15 PM
I full well expected them to have an episode addressing Teyla's unwillingness to return to active duty, because she was concerned about her son growing up without parents. I must admit I was midly surprised to see her leading the team through the city, P90 in hand.


Really? From this bunch of male writers?

ladyjanus

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Was not the best episode of the series. But it opened up two good things. First the return of Carson, and the introduction of Woolsey. I liked how they shaped him as leader in his first crisis and was totally upset about breaking the rules and protocol. Sheppard shook his hand basically saying this is what has to be done in Atlantis. I really liked that part and thought it was great to open the season with the new leader in charge. A lot better than when Carter first came onto Atlantis. There was more tension with Woolsey and the remarks and rolling eyes were priceless. This is what I was expecting with Woolsey and so far so good. So an episode I knew was not going to be an epic episode still did the job by returning a beloved character and started the blue prints for the new leader of Atlantis. So this episode basically served it's purpose.

Valaslonglostsister
July 18th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I think that this episode was really good. i liked the little side mentions of "The Last man" in it, however the new table has GOT to go. I feel that there should have been more McKay Complaining. Wouldn't McKay normally fight to be put into isolation like that? At least i feel he would have but that's just cause i am a total McKay fan girl ^^:mckayanime03::mckayanime18: Anyway, The special FX make up in this episode was positivally beautiful. The best part was that it looked real. ^^ And also...poor Sheppard! My god...all the shep whumpers were probably bouncing out of there seats. LOLS ^^ I'm more of a rodney whumper but i kinda felt that the last wound Sheppard got was a little rushed. It made me feel like the writters were like- "Ok...last few seconds...let's have sheppard harpooned with one of the tenticle thingys" I mean yeah it added drama to it and stuff but i felt a just a bit rushed to me. That's just what i think though but i love this ep either way. I Can't wait until the next one ^^

Peace, Love and Chocolate in the Galaxy,
Dani

ToasterOnFire
July 18th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Caught the last 20 minutes. Boring, plodding, and lacking tension with a paint by numbers plot. Shep saves the day by circumventing the plan and going off on his own! Woolsey learns a Very Special Lesson about the rules! I never would have guessed it!

Methinks all this talk about Woolsey bringing conflict to SGA is going to be quite the exaggeration.

Ltcolshepjumper
July 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I guess this is the same material that was covering the Queen in Spoils of War. I was a little unnerved by the way they treated Carter's departure as opposed to Weir's. Not once did they say it was "difficult" without Weir, who had been there for 3 years. Carter was there for only one year. Also, I did not like how they attributed their victories in Season 4 to Carter.

idlewild202
July 18th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I think I'm going to like Woolsey being on the show. Doesn't mean I'm ever going to like Woolsey himself... but him being on the show might bring out some other traits in the team that we haven't seen before. I think this could allow for some nice character development. It was nice to see that Woolsey does have some emotions... :rolleyes:

Having Carson back in action was so incredibly nice!! And I was very happy with the end of the episode, I was so very worried that he would just get stuck back in the stasis chamber for use again at another time. But no, it looks like they are going to be treating him as the real deal. They let him go home and visit his mum. Perfect. While I still wish we had more eps with him this season, I can take the episodes without better knowing that he is at home recovering, not frozen in a lonely chamber. \

This wasn't a great episode in my opinion, it wasn't a "wow, that was awesome" kind of ep, but it was very enjoyable. I was not disappointed at all. It was just a good, well rounded episode IMO.

lunchbox
July 18th, 2008, 07:23 PM
Woolsey is going be like that, hmm?

I guess every series needs a weenie al-a Frank Burns. I just hope he lightens up and cones to understand how Weir felt when each of her command decisions were questioned by the IOA and that not a lot out there "in the field" goes smoothly and by the book.

If he does lighten up somewhat, I expect he'll tell the IAO to kiss off.

There's going to have to be an episode where the established rules don't apply and he has to rely on the very un-by-the-book Sheppard to save the day (again).

prion
July 18th, 2008, 07:24 PM
I have to watch it again as I was being interrupted all the time, but it didn't strike me as a great episode.

Okay, we got one or two lines to know that Kanan is alive and well and stuck on the mainland. In next week's episode, the big bad poisonous snake nails him ;) (just theorizing if we never hear about him again)... ;)

Need to rewatch (constant interruptions) but wow, it's been three weeks (or a month, if we stretch it) since Sheppard recovers from being impaled, and now the evil seed weed thing impales him in the gut (I slo-mo-ed the scene, just to see). Guy's got no luck, but now, plenty of surgical scars ;) (but as a whumper, well, not complaining too much).

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Good episode. Better then I thought it was going to bed. Make me wonder. Do the Wraith take human women inject them with the Virus and create their Queens and Hive ships that way. Like when the ship is complete it detaches from the person and the person comes out a queen.



That would be cool... :wraithqueen10:

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Caught the last 20 minutes. Boring, plodding, and lacking tension with a paint by numbers plot. Shep saves the day by circumventing the plan and going off on his own! Woolsey learns a Very Special Lesson about the rules! I never would have guessed it!

Methinks all this talk about Woolsey bringing conflict to SGA is going to be quite the exaggeration.

There was a scene earlier in the episode where he got into it with Shep. There was tention between him and Keller in the briefing room and he was at odds with Carson through most of the episode.

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Caught the last 20 minutes. Boring, plodding, and lacking tension with a paint by numbers plot. Shep saves the day by circumventing the plan and going off on his own! Woolsey learns a Very Special Lesson about the rules! I never would have guessed it!

Methinks all this talk about Woolsey bringing conflict to SGA is going to be quite the exaggeration.

Well from what I saw is that Woolsey is not going to just let the rules go and he will still play by the rule book. So there will likely be some real tension and conflict issue where Woolsey wants to go by the book and may even do so, and it will likely cause conflinct since it will be the wrong decision. I see the last scene with Woolsey and Sheppard as a preview of what is to come. It's not going to be an easy ride, since Woolsey is still going to want to follow the rules and if he breaks them he is not going to be easy on himself or the crew of Atlantis.

I think Woolsey is going to be really be great this season.

kot815
July 18th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Well it wasn't the best ep but it was good. I definitely liked the tension between the team and Woolsey at the beginning. All ready he was willing to sacrifice Keller. At least it will be an interesting season with him in charge.

Jackie
July 18th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Kind of a mediocre ep. Woosley was as I expected and I expect to see more of the same. It was nice that Zelenka got a little screen time from rodney. Beckett seriously does need to be placed in charge of medical.

The plot was iffy and redundant. The show still lacks a real sense of danger. Seeing Keller all gooey made me laugh. Ronon running through the tentacles was just ridicules. The jumper crashing in at the end...oh boy. I thought for sure he would crashed right on top of Keller...killing her instantly.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 07:38 PM
I guess this is the same material that was covering the Queen in Spoils of War. I was a little unnerved by the way they treated Carter's departure as opposed to Weir's. Not once did they say it was "difficult" without Weir, who had been there for 3 years. Carter was there for only one year. Also, I did not like how they attributed their victories in Season 4 to Carter.

I loved that scene. She went off-world to help in the rescue efforts at least as much (if not more) in one season than any base commander on either show and the team was greatful for it.

As far as Weir not getting the same respect, Shep showed that respect in last week's episode when he told Carter he was getting on the jumper and there were several scenes last season where the team expressed their remorse over losing her.

FoolishPleasure
July 18th, 2008, 07:42 PM
This was an interesting episode in that we get a hint on how hive ships are "grown".

Woolsey was interesting. I was ready to absolutely hate him, but I didn't. When he discovered Keller had a "maybe" cure for Carson and was her usual wussy, wimpy self and was afraid to try it, she was put in her place and told to defrost Carson and TRY the damned thing. I took to Mr. Woolsey right then. Crybaby Keller would have left Carson to rot in that pod, too fearful to try her potential serum, until Woolsey kicked her butt. Love it.

Loved seeing Carson again. He is such a better doctor than Keller, I was wishing they would just kill her off when they destroyed the organisim so Carson could take his rightful place. Keller is such a loser character!

The ending, with Shep saving the day, yet again, was a bit of a drag. Ho, hum, the usual ending.

I was wondering where Teyla's baby was in her scenes. Does Atlantis have a day care center? Glad to hear Kanaan was still around, even if he wasn't with his child.

This episode got a B from me. Good to see Zelenka again. Woolsey was a surprising plus, but I still can't stand Keller. Bring Carson back as the doctor, and I'll accept everything else. Maybe. ;)

txTart
July 18th, 2008, 07:43 PM
This episode was a disappointment. The actors seemed really flat and that stuff on Keller didn't look scary, just silly. And PS. I miss Sam already.

KindlyKeller
July 18th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Caught the last 20 minutes. Boring, plodding, and lacking tension with a paint by numbers plot. Shep saves the day by circumventing the plan and going off on his own! Woolsey learns a Very Special Lesson about the rules! I never would have guessed it!

Methinks all this talk about Woolsey bringing conflict to SGA is going to be quite the exaggeration.

How do you know it was a paint-by-numbers plot if saw 1/3 of the episode?

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:45 PM
This was an interesting episode in that we get a hint on how hive ships are "grown".

Woolsey was interesting. I was ready to absolutely hate him, but I didn't. When he discovered Keller had a "maybe" cure for Carson and was her usual wussy, wimpy self and was afraid to try it, she was put in her place and told to defrost Carson and TRY the damned thing. I took to Mr. Woolsey right then. Crybaby Keller would have left Carson to rot in that pod, too fearful to try her potential serum, until Woolsey kicked her butt. Love it.

Loved seeing Carson again. He is such a better doctor than Keller, I was wishing they would just kill her off when they destroyed the organisim so Carson could take his rightful place. Keller is such a loser character!

The ending, with Shep saving the day, yet again, was a bit of a drag. Ho, hum, the usual ending.

I was wondering where Teyla's baby was in her scenes. Does Atlantis have a day care center? Glad to hear Kanaan was still around, even if he wasn't with his child.

This episode got a B from me. Good to see Zelenka again. Woolsey was a surprising plus, but I still can't stand Keller. Bring Carson back as the doctor, and I'll accept everything else. Maybe. ;)

I have to agree with you. Woolsey and Carson both shined in this episode. Keller just looked weak from the start and I was really hoping to get more of a backbone from her this season. Well it's only one ep, but she went backwards instead of forward, imo. I would also give the episode a B for the character moments. They were really solid, imo. The last scene with Woolsey and Sheppard was also good.

Mr. Jack
July 18th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Loved the episode and Woosley as commander though I think I found a plothole.


Why didn't the organism affect Carter the whole year she spent on alternate Earth in Stargate Continuum? I mean it was more then enough time.

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:46 PM
This episode was a disappointment. The actors seemed really flat and that stuff on Keller didn't look scary, just silly. And PS. I miss Sam already.

WHA? The characters are what drove this episode. The plot was weak and the characters turned a weak plot into a good episode. If it was a good plot the ep would of likely been a top 10 episode.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 07:47 PM
1 - The ending, with Shep saving the day, yet again, was a bit of a drag. Ho, hum, the usual ending.

2 - I was wondering where Teyla's baby was in her scenes. Does Atlantis have a day care center? Glad to hear Kanaan was still around, even if he wasn't with his child.

3 - Good to see Zelenka again.


1 - I agree. Sometimes they need to come up with better "save-the-day" endings. It's becomin a little tiring seeinf Sheppard in the infirmary. :)

2 - It wouldn't surprise me if Teyla's baby is on the mainland with the newly arrived Athosians. Not the hybrids, but the Athosians who weren't altered.

3 - I liked seeing Zalenka again, too. He looked a little different to me, though.

the fifth man
July 18th, 2008, 07:48 PM
This episode was way better than even what I was expecting. Having Carson out of stasis and healthy again was great. And the actual story of the episode was very entertaining to me. And enlightening about the Wraith.

After seeing Woolsey in command for the first time, I have to say, I am really looking forward to seeing his character grow over the course of the season. He is going to have to learn that the rules only work part of the time.

KindlyKeller
July 18th, 2008, 07:48 PM
How did Keller look weak?

She kicked off the show by working herself to exhaustion and saving Carson. Then she was incapacitated for the rest of it, and she handled that fact just fine!

Sigh.

If they have things go well for Keller, everyone whines about how the writers are doing too much for her. When they don't, everyone whines that she's weak. There's no pleasing anybody with her. 95% of the fan base has made up their minds one direction or another, and those mindsets won't ever change, no matter what appears on the screen in the future.

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:51 PM
How did Keller look weak?

She kicked off the show by working herself to exhaustion and saving Carson. Then she was incapacitated for the rest of it, and she handled that fact just fine!

Sigh.

If they have things go well for Keller, everyone whines about how the writers are doing too much for her. When they don't, everyone whines that she's weak. There's no pleasing anybody with her. 95% of the fan base has made up their minds one direction or another, and those mindsets won't ever change, no matter what appears on the screen in the future.

Keller should of took the risk with the gene therapy to try and save Carson. Mckay and Carson would of taken the risk. She just did not seem sure of herself and it made her look weak. Don't worry I still like Keller and she has plenty of more eps to go. ;)

KindlyKeller
July 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM
That's fair, Brian. I hadn't thought of that moment, and while I don't agree with that interpretation, it's perfectly valid.

txTart
July 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM
WHA? The characters are what drove this episode. The plot was weak and the characters turned a weak plot into a good episode. If it was a good plot the ep would of likely been a top 10 episode.

*sigh* I don't know. Maybe it was that Sheppard had more dialogue with Woolsey than he did with McKay. Everything just felt off to me. :(

Teslan
July 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Okay, I thought this episode was alright and usually I'm fine with the Keller character, but was I the only one wondering why she didn't tell anybody sooner that she woke up with goop on her hands? I know she was going to do a scan later, but personally I would have been a bit concerned if that happened to me.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM
I forgot about Keller's voice when the "seed" took over. It sounded dark but not over the top, I loved it.

kot815
July 18th, 2008, 07:53 PM
1 - I agree. Sometimes they need to come up with better "save-the-day" endings. It's becomin a little tiring seeinf Sheppard in the infirmary. :)

2 - It wouldn't surprise me if Teyla's baby is on the mainland with the newly arrived Athosians. Not the hybrids, but the Athosians who weren't altered.

3 - I liked seeing Zalenka again, too. He looked a little different to me, though.

I have to say that as a hardcore Shep fan, I agree that this time his save-the-day actions didn't really seem that great.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Okay, I thought this episode was alright and usually I'm fine with the Keller character, but was I the only one wondering why she didn't tell anybody sooner that she woke up with goop on her hands? I know she was going to do a scan later, but personally I would have been a bit concerned if that happened to me.

It seemed to me as though her mind was affected from the very beginning when she first noticed the slime.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 07:54 PM
I have to say that as a hardcore Shep fan, I agree that this time his save-the-day actions didn't really seem that great.\

What I didn't get was why the things didn't attack him as soon as he came into the room.

Briangate78
July 18th, 2008, 07:56 PM
That's fair, Brian. I hadn't thought of that moment, and while I don't agree with that interpretation, it's perfectly valid.

See I try and pick out the good rather than the bad. I normally don't pick out the flaws or bad parts but just the parts I thought were well done. That is my nature and is likely why some of Anti's hate me, because I can be too postive and optimistic. This episode was good in the fact that it returned Carson and introduced Woolsey very well. Keller was just not the focus in this episode except for being infected.

the fifth man
July 18th, 2008, 07:56 PM
I forgot about Keller's voice when the "seed" took over. It sounded dark but not over the top, I loved it.

Yeah, that was pretty well done.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Maybe it's just me, but if I was the "Tentacles", I would have threatened to harm Keller if I was going to be attacked by the rest of the crew.

Teslan
July 18th, 2008, 08:01 PM
It seemed to me as though her mind was affected from the very beginning when she first noticed the slime.

They did mention that later, so I guess I should have just put two and two together.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I have to say that as a hardcore Shep fan, I agree that this time his save-the-day actions didn't really seem that great.

Yeah, I thought when Ronan went in fighting that he might get to save the day this time, especially with the emphasis they put on Shep not having to be the hero every time they got in trouble in last week's episode.



It seemed to me as though her mind was affected from the very beginning when she first noticed the slime.

I thought about that too but then again her fear of doing anything (low self-esteem) is pretty consistent with her character.

operagrrl
July 18th, 2008, 08:04 PM
-Woolsey was interesting. I was ready to absolutely hate him, but I didn't. When he discovered Keller had a "maybe" cure for Carson and was her usual wussy, wimpy self and was afraid to try it...

-Loved seeing Carson again. He is such a better doctor than Keller, I was wishing they would just kill her off when they destroyed the organisim so Carson could take his rightful place. Keller is such a loser character!

-I still can't stand Keller. Bring Carson back as the doctor, and I'll accept everything else. Maybe. ;)

OMG, thank god. I was beginning to think I was the only one who hated Keller. Every time I saw a preview for this ep I would think, 'Maybe that thing will kill her. That would be awesome.'

I'm so massively unhappy with where this Keller/McKay thing is going. Why do they keep pairing Rodney with these mousy, annoying women? And botanists and medical doctors at that! Grr.

Woolsey gets a thumbs up from me, but I love Robert Picardo.

Overall I thought the ep was... not great. Not the worst but definitely not the best. I've really been sad at the lack of team moments, I almost feel like they're starting to not like one another. I had hopes that this trend was going to be reversed after Search and Rescue, but there was really no team interaction in this one and what little there was seemed really antagonistic.

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Maybe it's just me, but if I was the "Tentacles", I would have threatened to harm Keller if I was going to be attacked by the rest of the crew.

They said something about the "seed" (seriously don't know what to call it) needing her mind or something until it was finished growing.

Teslan
July 18th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Maybe it's just me, but if I was the "Tentacles", I would have threatened to harm Keller if I was going to be attacked by the rest of the crew.

Then it really would have been like "Entity". ;)

But as we know from Woolsey's comment, and later from Shep's actions, if absolutely necessary they would risk losing Keller. And whatever part of Keller's mind the "Tentacles" had access to, might have made it aware of this.

Lord batchi ball
July 18th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Ok this episode didn't leave me on the edge of my seat but it was good.

I liked the explanation on the Wraith Ships, what they said could actually makes some sense.

They need to fire that asian actress(if you can call what she does can be called acting) the woman who put the resperator on Shep, she had it about 3 inches away form his face.

but a good episode.

Oh and Woosly was great, just the right amount of hardass. I still think he should have repromanded Shep for crashing a PJ into the side of a building without even disccusing it. LIke confined to quarters, Shep needs to be tied down a little or Woosly as the character will never be able to assert himself properly.

ToasterOnFire
July 18th, 2008, 08:12 PM
I see the last scene with Woolsey and Sheppard as a preview of what is to come.
Yeah, they shook hands. The conflict there is...underwhelming.


How do you know it was a paint-by-numbers plot if saw 1/3 of the episode?
Because it wasn't that hard to figure out what had happened in the first 2/3? Let me guess, "friction" with Woolsey, Bad Things happen to Keller, the situation spreads to a city-wide problem, oh noes let's thaw out the Beckettsicle?

lirenel
July 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Not the best, but a good introduction for Woolsey. Like someone else said, I was prepared to hate him but in fact I thought he made several valid points throughout the episode and frankly I think the team does sometimes need someone to reign them in.

They're definitely setting up the McKay/Keller thing. Still holding judgment on that ship (I ship McWeir, and my guilty ship is McKeyla), but it seemed alright. I mean, Rodney, hypochondriac Rodney, was willing to go into the isolation room alone so as to try and comfort Keller. Kinda sweet that.

Baby Emmagen, whose name I've already forgotten, is still adorable for what little we saw him. I hope they don't just shove him off to the mainland with only a few mentions here and there.

After this episode, at least, I'll be willing to give Woolsey a chance. We'll see.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
oh noes let's thaw out the Beckettsicle?

Beckettsicle??? Ah, that's a good one. :lol:

jelgate
July 18th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Jelgate's Two CentsDefiantly not the strongest episode I have ever seen nor is it the worst episode I have seen. I will say this. The Seed felt very much like a team episode. The only one who didn't have a strong contribution was McKay and I can't say I am against that. It’s about time he watched from the sidelines.

I thought the opening scene was well done. It really showed the kind of people that Teyla and Keller have become. I'm reminded of Frasier and the real Beckett when I look at Keller in the early hours of morning working on reviving Beckett. She like the other Stargate doctors forgoes their own health to save their own patients. That is how you do children on a Sci-Fi show. It had one scene and that was it. I sincerely hope that continues to the formula for Torren. A scene every once in awhile is okay but I do not want to see him next to Teyla every other scene. The line about walking him halfway across the city was hilarious.

Woolsey’s introduction seemed a little forced to me. His whole inspring:rollleyes: speech seemed like Picardo was just reading the lines without any emotion. However, I did like the scene in the new briefing room before he arrived. Before I get their, I am a little miffed that the replaced the old briefing room table. That old one really looked cool with the Ancient tech. Now it just looks like they stole the table from Stargate Command. Anyway, the scene before Woolsey enters to me shows how much Sheppard's team and Keller miss Carter. I know he is their to create conflict but I wanted to punch Woolsey in the nose. He was so cold to the senior members.

It happened exactly how I expected it to happen. Keller found the cure to Beckett's disease in Michael’s database and was able to easily produce a serum to keep his organs from detorating. Leave it to jerks like the IOA to have him shipped to Earth.

Keller in some organic tendrils. That is extremely creepy and it just got creepier as the episode progressed. The first time I saw this I wondered how Keller suddenly got infected with a pathogen. It’s kind of creepy that the Wraith and Michael have these in the Pegasus galaxy. I wonder if every Wraith hive ship and cruiser is created from single human being. It was kind of like watching Spoils of War all over again. We learned quite about the Wraith. This time instead of learning about the Wraith soldiers, I was able to learn a lot of insightful things about their ships. It seems the heart of the ship is a person while it feeds off the electricity, in this case the power in Atlantis.

Something I hope that continues that was absent in the previous season was a lot of Teyla action. She had a really scene when she led the team with Zelenka. Its not often we get to see Teyla. I hope it something we get to see more of as the season progresses. She was after all, at one point the leader of the Athosians. It didn't hurt that I got to see Zelenka almost die. I think he needs to replace McKay. He does a better job when it comes to dangerous stuff.The solution to me looked too much like a deus ex machina. Granted it is not a true deus ex machina but it seemed like one. Michael just magically has an antidote to stop a Wraith ship from being formed. Why in the world would he want to stop a ship from being formed? Lucky for me it was extremely difficult to execute. I can't believe that Woolsey was actually considering firing drones at Keller. His stupidity and lack of morals is astounding.

The part with Ronon was kind of predictable. Of course once the antidote worked on Sheppard he would volunteer. That my only compliant about that scene. I enjoyed the little continuity back to Conversion. I think it was a safe theory by Beckett that Ronon would go undetected by the Wraith tech. They are after all very similar to the Iratus bug.

I defiantly did not see Sheppard's solution to get at the "core." It was suicidal but was interesting watching him crash right into the side of the city. Does this mean we have lost a Jumper?:P Apparently the antidote worked. Big surprise their.:rolleyes: As much as I wanted to punch Woolsey, at least he learned something in the end. Who wants to bet he will forgot about in Broken Ties?

FoolishPleasure
July 18th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Because it wasn't that hard to figure out what had happened in the first 2/3? Let me guess, "friction" with Woolsey, Bad Things happen to Keller, the situation spreads to a city-wide problem, oh noes let's thaw out the Beckettsicle?

The actually thawed Beckett in the beginning, when Keller admitted she had a potential cure for him, but was afraid to try it (the usual spineless little girl that she is). Woolsey forced the issue, and we got us a REAL doctor! Sold me on Woolsey, right there. ;)

tombombadil
July 18th, 2008, 08:23 PM
can we use the cure to take out hive ships?

ToasterOnFire
July 18th, 2008, 08:25 PM
The actually thawed Beckett in the beginning, when Keller admitted she had a potential cure for him, but was afraid to try it (the usual spineless little girl that she is). Woolsey forced the issue, and we got us a REAL doctor! Sold me on Woolsey, right there. ;)
So I was close enough, just had the wrong order. ;)

Anyone who can smack some leadership into Keller is a-ok with me. :D

tombombadil
July 18th, 2008, 08:25 PM
best quote:
"well it's not a case of the hives, now is it"

turns out it was a case of the hive

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:27 PM
best quote:
"well it's not a case of the hives, now is it"

turns out it was a case of the hive

Oooooh...Good observation. Clever writing.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:28 PM
can we use the cure to take out hive ships?


Not Sarcastic: That's a good point. It could be used as a sort of bomb or it could work like he retrovirus.

Sarcastic: Shoot giant hyprosprays at Hive ships!

ladyjanus
July 18th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Okay, I don't hate this ep. I guess they can't all be slamdunks.

Shades of "Dopppleganger," with Teyla put into another situation of worrying about a friend who hasn't shown up for a morning appointment, and then finding them in terrible circumstances in their own bed. That kind of thing could put anyone off knocking on people's doors first thing in the morning...

Carson looks good for someone who's been frozen for several months, after nearly dying.

A so-so ep, all around. I'll watch it again, but it's not one of my favorites.

Note to fan-fic writers: How about a missing-scene story - Teyla and Carson, first time seeing one another since before the birth of the baby, when Carson couldn't save her from Michael?

Shan Bruce Lee
July 18th, 2008, 08:32 PM
can we use the cure to take out hive ships?

That's a great question and something I hadn't even thought about.

RedvsBlue
July 18th, 2008, 08:33 PM
The best thing about this episode is Carson is officially back & cured it looks like

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Yeah. It's nice to see him again. He looked older to me though.

RedvsBlue
July 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM
& that was a good question to ask if the cure can cure the hybrids & Carson which would pretty much make him no longer a clone anymore can the Wraith be cured for good with no set backs ?

dasNdanger
July 18th, 2008, 08:40 PM
I also picked up on the 'case of the hives' line - but on second viewing, since I didn't know what was going on the first time round. I loved the suggestion that hive ships are grown, much like an insect's exoskeleton that starts out soft, and eventually hardens into a shell. But it also raises a LOT of questions - I asked Mallozzi these, but will run them by you guys, too - for speculation:

1. Do Wraith need a human or Wraith host to grow a hive ship?

2. If so, does this individual then become the ‘brain’, or main computer, of the ship?

3. If not, is this tech - assuming it's an extension of their own biology - controlled by Wraith telepathy, or something else?

4. What was meant when Keller said she did not have a designation yet? As a ship or piece of technology, or as something else?

Those were the questions that this episode first raised in my mind, but I know there will be more. A very interesting episode, and I loved the creep factor!!


das

ladyjanus
July 18th, 2008, 08:41 PM
And I like the hidden infrastructure tunnel set. Nice and close and industrial. Is this brand new this year or did they retool a set from some earlier ep?

RedvsBlue
July 18th, 2008, 08:42 PM
I have a feeling they are going to do an ID4. The Atlantis Expedition finds the ultimate "Wraith Mothership" & makes enough of the cure to put into the mothership & then the cure spreads through every single hive ship ever made & still around & therefore taking care of the wraith

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:51 PM
And I like the hidden infrastructure tunnel set. Nice and close and industrial. Is this brand new this year or did they retool a set from some earlier ep?

Are you referring to the tunnel/hallway Ronon went down and got caught in?

jelgate
July 18th, 2008, 08:54 PM
Are you referring to the tunnel/hallway Ronon went down and got caught in?I think she is talking about the tunnel Teyla and Zelenka's were in. It does look new.

dasNdanger
July 18th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Keller should of took the risk with the gene therapy to try and save Carson. Mckay and Carson would of taken the risk. She just did not seem sure of herself and it made her look weak. Don't worry I still like Keller and she has plenty of more eps to go. ;)

Perhaps Keller didn't take the risk because the microbe (or whatever we are to call it) was already starting to control her, and it knew that Carson could be a danger to it.

das

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 08:59 PM
I think she is talking about the tunnel Teyla and Zelenka's were in. It does look new.

Oh. I think it was one of the more recent hallways, like the one Old Rodney Hologram and Sheppard walked down in "The Last Man" when the lights turned off behind them - The darker-looking hallways. I think they were introduced in the beginning of the 4th season.

Anyways, it looked like they might have redone on of those hallways. Either way, they did a good job and I enjoyed seeing a new-looking sets.

KindlyKeller
July 18th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Because it wasn't that hard to figure out what had happened in the first 2/3? Let me guess, "friction" with Woolsey, Bad Things happen to Keller, the situation spreads to a city-wide problem, oh noes let's thaw out the Beckettsicle?

Well, considering Beckett was present and walking around in the last 1/3, OBVIOUSLY they thawed him out. That's not exactly difficult to figure out. And if your "oh noes" infers that Beckett got thawed-out because of the problem, then you're just plain wrong, because that's not how it happened.

Keller was already strung up, so OF COURSE bad things happened to her in the first 2/3.

And there was less friction with Woolsey than you'd think.

Everything you're describing as "predictable in the first 2/3" was clearly evident in the last 1/3 because it had already happened.

That doesn't make the observations insightful. It makes them just that: observations.

KindlyKeller
July 18th, 2008, 09:04 PM
The actually thawed Beckett in the beginning, when Keller admitted she had a potential cure for him, but was afraid to try it (the usual spineless little girl that she is). Woolsey forced the issue, and we got us a REAL doctor! Sold me on Woolsey, right there. ;)

LOL!!!!!!! And if she had said "there's a chance it could kill him, but I'll try it" right off the bat, everyone would have been talking about how "reckless" and "unprofessional" she was. "Beckett wouldn't have risked her life like that!"

Gate gal
July 18th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It was nice seeing Jennifer keep her promise and find a way to save Carson. I loved that the baby was in one scene but didn't interfere with Teyla's screen time. She still got to do her job. Well done. Woolsey is probably a better choice than I thought he would be. He's definitely creating some tension. I did like that Sam was mentioned by the others. My favorite moment was when John said that Woolsey taking command wasn't the strangest thing abou the alternate timeline then Rodney and Jennifer looked at each other. I have to wonder whether he told them about their alternate relationship or not.
I guess my only real complaint was that Ronan didn't get to save the day. He was so close, and it was really his turn.

desh
July 18th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Not an incredibly remarkable episode, but not bad nonetheless.

The Woolsey conflict really did not play out as centrally as I might have expected. I think his character has developed significantly since he was introduced, enough to take charge effectively in Atlantis. He recognized that the circumstances demanded that rules be broken, and he was prepared to break them despite his reservations. I think he is really going to become an effective leader, one who does not act as arbitrarily as Weir did.

ToasterOnFire
July 18th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Well, considering Beckett was present and walking around in the last 1/3, OBVIOUSLY they thawed him out. That's not exactly difficult to figure out. And if your "oh noes" infers that Beckett got thawed-out because of the problem, then you're just plain wrong, because that's not how it happened.

Keller was already strung up, so OF COURSE bad things happened to her in the first 2/3.

And there was less friction with Woolsey than you'd think.

Everything you're describing as "predictable in the first 2/3" was clearly evident in the last 1/3 because it had already happened.

That doesn't make the observations insightful. It makes them just that: observations.
O...kay? So everything that happened in the first 2/3 was part of a paint by number plot like I thought. Or did something else happen during the first 40 minutes that wasn't formulaic or predictable? Honestly, I don't even know what you're trying to argue about anymore.

NorseGuy
July 18th, 2008, 09:23 PM
A very good episode I think. I'm still sceptic about Woolsey as a leader. He need to learn being out there in the field dealing with human lives etc. in face. I think he did well in the last part of the show and I'm looking forward to watch how he will act after the conversation with Sheppard in the ending.

I also like we get more knowledge about the Wraith. Interesting that hives are grown from living beings. I wonder if Keller would end up as a part of the final hive, the mind or something like that or she would become af Queen or what function the human being otherwise would have at the hive.

Nice to see them finally cure Carson. Howver I don't agree with your negativity concerning Keller. Sure she can grow to something better but I don't think she is so terrible. I understand why she is concerned about jeopardizing with Carsons life if their was any chance to be more surden before giving him the injection. And she was up allnight working with the cure and I think you've to credit her for that.

I'm a little tired of seeing Sheppard saving the day and then get seriosly hurt in every ep. They're clearly building a relationship up between Keller and Rodney like in the alternative timeline. Why not make Rodney the one who gave her the injection at last. Rodney has afterall grown since the end of season 3. He is more open about being concerned about other people now.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 09:36 PM
Wouldn't it be cool to see an Atlantis/Wraith Hive Ship? Atlantis completely taken over and looking like a Wraith ship inside and out?

ykickamoocow
July 18th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I'm a little tired of seeing Sheppard saving the day and then get seriosly hurt in every ep. They're clearly building a relationship up between Keller and Rodney like in the alternative timeline. Why not make Rodney the one who gave her the injection at last. Rodney has afterall grown since the end of season 3. He is more open about being concerned about other people now.

Also McKay did volunteer to go (admitantly not also loudly as Ronon and Sheppard) but still it shows his character development that he is willing to volunteer at all as the season 1 McKay would nver have done that.

dasNdanger
July 18th, 2008, 09:42 PM
The ONLY thing that would have made this episode better would be for Todd to show up, look at all the umbilicals and membranes growing on everything, and exclaim, "Impossible!"

:p

das

dasNdanger
July 18th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Wouldn't it be cool to see an Atlantis/Wraith Hive Ship? Atlantis completely taken over and looking like a Wraith ship inside and out?

This is one reason I'd love to see a Wraith on the team. Assuming that the Wraith prefer a certain type of environment (cool, dark, damp), then if one were to live in Atlantis he would probably want his living quarters to be like those on a hive. Imagine what his quarters would be like...imagine him inviting a human in to sit and chat...with all that goo and creepy stuff around...normal to him but totally gross to everyone else. Could be fun. But I doubt the series will last long enough for such a development - it would have to survive another 3 seasons to get to that point, and by then the show will either be long over, or the Wraith all dead, or both.

das

suse
July 18th, 2008, 09:49 PM
Seed and S&R thoughts:


TPTB could have done a worse job explaining Sam's replacement. They replaced her with a civilian. It would have been a worse slap it it had been another officer. Of equal rank but with no experience. Been there, done that. No thanks, not again. It's the IOA. They are politicians and beaurocrats. "Nuff said.

Amusing moments. I missed 1/2 of the ep. What I saw:
- Oh look. Keller was taken over by an Entity. Computer voice included. ;)
- Said at least 3 times (without my prompting Thank You Very Much.) "They need Sam back", said by several non-internet people in the room.
- What's Devil's Snare doing on SGA? Harry Potter reference. :P
Alternately, The smart vines growing into the path to the ZPM. "Feed me.." Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors.
-Wow, they must really be able to repair those puddlejumpers. One lost, one crashed in only 2 eps. :eek:

Along with several EMH/Voyager jokes. :D

:) I *like* Ronon.

suse

Conn8d
July 18th, 2008, 09:49 PM
I found the episode to be really interesting and creepy.

And a very cool insight into wraith ships. Do they always use humans to create them or do they just need wraith?

Finding "hero" Shep is getting a bit old though...

"Command" Woolsey was interesing too. He can finally learn to understand that in command, stuff happens and you can't just follow the rules all the time. He's got things to learn.

Nice to see Keller so dedicated to helping Beckett and equally great to see him so dedicated to helping her when she went all "planty".

Really glad they explained Carter's departure, and also remembered to include her in the quarantine, since she was on the planet too.

Very cute to show the baby with Teyla, but who babysits him while his Mama is off working? Don't think there are any other children in the city, so who is watching him?

Overall quite an enjoyable episode.

A Wraith Named Bob
July 18th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Really glad they explained Carter's departure, and also remembered to include her in the quarantine, since she was on the planet too.



I always like it when they put in important details like that. It gives the show the feeling that they don't just throw scripts together and they really do try to be thorough.

Kliggins
July 18th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Okay, I thought this episode was alright and usually I'm fine with the Keller character, but was I the only one wondering why she didn't tell anybody sooner that she woke up with goop on her hands? I know she was going to do a scan later, but personally I would have been a bit concerned if that happened to me.

Thank you! Hello Dr Idiot. You wake up with strange stuff on your hands and you tell nobody and go take a rest!!!!!!! Quadruple those malpractice insurance rates.

ykickamoocow
July 18th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Thank you! Hello Dr Idiot. You wake up with strange stuff on your hands and you tell nobody and go take a rest!!!!!!! Quadruple those malpractice insurance rates.

I was walking around yesterday and found some strange green stuff on my hands. It turned out that it came of my spunge when i was washing the dishes but when i saw the green stuff my first reaction wasnt "I better call the ambulance".

Also it was established that the infection starts affecting the persons mind before any physical symptoms appear. It is possible that this infection stopped Keller telling anyone.

Amakusa
July 18th, 2008, 10:15 PM
I was walking around yesterday and found some strange green stuff on my hands. It turned out that it came of my spunge when i was washing the dishes but when i saw the green stuff my first reaction wasnt "I better call the ambulance".

Funny, my first reaction if I found some gooey crap on my hand would be "Gosh I hope nobody sees me like this" and misinterpret what the goo is (of course, I'm a guy, you KNOW where that goes from there)

BerrySciFi
July 18th, 2008, 10:16 PM
Interesting episode. Better than I expected. I thought the story was weak, but I enjoyed the character interactions. Woolsey is starting to become interesting. And, of course, Keller was an abomination. I actually laughed at the expression on her face when our hero injected her with the magic hive-be-gone hypo. Shep, WHY didn't you agree with Woolsey that we should fire a couple of drones at Keller? I guess his mind had become affected by the pathogen at that point, as well. He'll regret that later.

Ruffles
July 18th, 2008, 10:30 PM
I enjoyed The Seed. As others have said, not the most exciting ever, but still plenty to enjoy.

Good stuff
* Teyla with the baby - good scene, made sense, didn't distract from the show
* info on Kanaan - back to human
* info on Michael - still out there possibly with a jumper and the ATA gene
* references to the past - iratus bugs, retrovirus, turning into a bug, Carter, Weir
* Keller curing Carson!!!
* Woolsey - can't help it, I liked him. No nonsense, ignored the obvious dislike and insolence of his senior staff, a tight-a**ed bureaucrat who has enough sense to listen to the people around him and make the right decision instead of the rulebook one. And yet still questions himself.
* info on Wraith ships
* Zelenka!!
* mention of Lorne
* Teyla running an op. She may still question whether she should be going off-world on missions but she rocked here.
* hints of Rodney and Keller (I can't help myself! I think they're adorable together.)
* Shep - convulsing, restrained, flatlining, impaled... oops, wrong thread
* Rodney being angry about Carson leaving
* Rodney volunteering (albeit quietly) to brave the Wraithweed and inject Keller
* Rodney's reluctance to stand when Woolsey arrived
* Woolsey's complete ineptitude when he beamed down. He had no idea what to say or do.

Questions/Quibbles
* not enough Ronon
* what happened to Rodney and Teyla at the end?
* I expected a little more blatant hostility toward Woolsey. Maybe a little more conflict next week.
* who's taking care of Teyla's baby while she's at work?

Overall, an enjoyable ep.

ykickamoocow
July 18th, 2008, 10:39 PM
* what happened to Rodney and Teyla at the end?


What do you mean?

Ace
July 18th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Funny, my first reaction if I found some gooey crap on my hand would be "Gosh I hope nobody sees me like this" and misinterpret what the goo is (of course, I'm a guy, you KNOW where that goes from there)

I had the same thought when I saw Keller and some "goo" on her hand. LOL

Ace

berlin88
July 18th, 2008, 10:46 PM
I think the episode was decent, but a few comments.

1. The Daedalus dropped off Woolsey, so couldn't they have beamed Keller out? Maybe put her on the mainland or possibly even beam Ronan in, so he doesn't have to make a suicide run in there, and can do it before the thing reacts.

However, I will conceed that it would kill the story and make for a quick ending once they have the cure. I just felt it a little odd the Daedalus was not involved, since it seems unlikely they would come all that way to drop Woolsey off and then not stay around for a while.



2. Are they trying to destroy Atlantis one piece at a time?


A. We had the Wraith attack in the Siege

B. A massive storm with lots of water damage

C. Retaking the city from the Asurans

D. Going through an Asteroid field, which damaged several areas of the city

E. The Quarantine/ Sunday, where we had to deal with explosions and then Sheppard/ Lorne blowing open all the doors because of the lockdown.

F. The Seed, where Keller is infected and a whole tower is slowly transformed into a Wraith ship, with all the tentacles and such.


We seem to be taking very good care of the city. lol


3. I think Woolsey will do a good job as commander. He knows the rules, how the IOA politicians operate, and can use it to his advantage. He will also have to balance being a by the book type, with bending the rules now and then.

He spent his previous career dressing down the people he now commands. Woolsey always commented on how the SGC or Atlantis made mistakes or did things in a way he didn't like. Now Woolsey has to be the one defending these same people, making for good character and story development. It will also be interesting to see if people like him more once they get to know him, and have to depend on him when the IOA wants to make a scape goat out of them. Like very other character, we could top it off with the occasional personal detail about Woolsey, like what he does in his spare time.



4. What needs to happen in Season 5 and hopefully 6 is for Atlantis to become more offensive. It always seems like we are mostly on defense, reacting to whatever the other people do, rather then being more agressive. The potential enemies such as the Genii did not take su seriously, and doubted our strength. They though we were weak and someone they could boss around. Lastly, Atlantis should make sure they seek victory over the enemy, rather than some sort of setlement or appeasement.

Basically, Atlantis could adopt a Goldwater Foreign Policy, as outlined in the book "Why not Victory" and the article "A Foreign Policy for America".



5. Carson is back and has a possible cure, which is good. I wouldn't mind having Carson around again.

morjana
July 18th, 2008, 10:52 PM
SGA - TV Squad: Review 'The Seed' Plus POLL:

From TV Squad (http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/19/stargate-atlantis-the-seed/):

(Please follow the link for the complete review.)

Stargate Atlantis: The Seed

Posted Jul 19th 2008 2:07AM by Brett Love

And with that, season five has begun. I've really been looking forward to this episode for the simple fact that it would give us our first look at just what kind of leader Woolsey is going to be. There are certainly a lot of things coming in season five, but that one, more than any other, has the ability to really affect how the season is ultimately received. We got that first look, and it was an interesting one. Along the way, we also caught up with our old friend Dr. Beckett. And Dr. Keller got to step out of the background (and climb into bed) for a pretty big story of her own.

**snippage**

So, there we have it. We're now officially underway in season five. All things considered I think things are off to a nice start. My biggest concern entering the season, how Woolsey would play out, hasn't been dismissed, but I'm feeling better and better about the whole idea. That's a good place to be a tenth of the way through. Next week, Ronon takes the spotlight. It should be fun.

TV SQUAD POLL

We've had our first real look at Woolsey. What do you think?

* It was great, like I thought it would be.
* Pleasantly surprised. Much better than I expected.
* Eh, I'm just not feeling the Woolsey.
* Good grief, I really didn't like it.

Khentkawes
July 18th, 2008, 11:26 PM
All in all, the episode was pretty entertaining, not surprising or all that unique, but still interesting enough to keep me satisfied… until the ending.

Talk about a stupid climactic sequences. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of the "Super-Sheppard Saves the Day" routine. And from reading these comments, it seems I’m not the only one who’s getting tired of it. But come on people! At least try to make Shep’s super-save believable.

Somehow he executes a controlled crash (and isn’t that an oxymoron) to slam the jumper into the exact spot he wants it without accidentally killing Ronon or Keller in the process (although they are supposed in the same general area, and his crash has destroyed a good portion of the tower). Then he miraculously appears in the isolation room and injects Keller. The virus/polymer/hive ship/thing is nice enough to wait until Sheppard has basically destroyed it before bothering to attack him, even though it has attacked Zelenka without provocation, and it attacked Ronon despite the fact it perceived him as a "friend." Sheppard has been cured, and therefore does not put out "friendly" vibes to the virus-thing, so it should have attacked immediately. Not to mention that the virus/polymer/thing was so dense that Ronon couldn’t navigate through it, yet Sheppard seems to have a clear path from the jumper to the isolation room, impeded neither by virus tentacles or the debris from when he wrecked the freakin’ tower.
:mckay:


Other than that whole scene, I did actually enjoy the episode.
Carson was great. I'd forgotten how much I missed him. There's nothing like listening to Carson order people around. ;) He's got the assertive doctor thing down, and I was glad that they treated him like Carson and not like "the clone." I loved the fact that McKay visited him when he was frozen.

I was also impressed with Teyla. She had the cute mother scene, which seemed very natural to me (although, who's on baby-sitting duty?), and the running through Atlantis with a P-90 scene. She also seemed more assertive than normal, but maybe that's just me.

My other favorite was when Teyla, McKay, and Carson broke into Keller's room. There was something very team-y about that moment. Yes, they were worried about Keller, but there was something funny and light-hearted about it. Now, for the second time this season, I have gotten the feeling that these people are actually a real team. :thoranime09: What a novel concept.

I was happy with Woolsey. It was played very much as I expected, a bit uncomfortable and tense, but he's changing his opinions and learning as he goes. Picardo was great, and I expected nothing less. But actual character development in his first episode as a regular. :thoranime09: Again, I'm shocked.

Now if only the episode had a decent plot to go with the character moments. And if we could somehow ditch the predictable Shep-to-the-rescue ending.

Note: apologies for the horrific length of this rant. ;)

hank
July 18th, 2008, 11:32 PM
ok ep, once again story based from sg-1 episode(message in a bottle) at least the alien growing thing

ykickamoocow
July 18th, 2008, 11:36 PM
Talk about a stupid climactic sequences. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of the "Super-Sheppard Saves the Day" routine. And from reading these comments, it seems I’m not the only one who’s getting tired of it. But come on people! At least try to make Shep’s super-save believable.

Somehow he executes a controlled crash (and isn’t that an oxymoron) to slam the jumper into the exact spot he wants it without accidentally killing Ronon or Keller in the process (although they are supposed in the same general area, and his crash has destroyed a good portion of the tower). Then he miraculously appears in the isolation room and injects Keller. The virus/polymer/hive ship/thing is nice enough to wait until Sheppard has basically destroyed it before bothering to attack him, even though it has attacked Zelenka without provocation, and it attacked Ronon despite the fact it perceived him as a "friend." Sheppard has been cured, and therefore does not put out "friendly" vibes to the virus-thing, so it should have attacked immediately. Not to mention that the virus/polymer/thing was so dense that Ronon couldn’t navigate through it, yet Sheppard seems to have a clear path from the jumper to the isolation room, impeded neither by virus tentacles or the debris from when he wrecked the freakin’ tower.


Yes Sheppard constantly saving the day by himself is getting really old really fast.




My other favorite was when Teyla, McKay, and Carson broke into Keller's room. There was something very team-y about that moment. Yes, they were worried about Keller, but there was something funny and light-hearted about it. Now, for the second time this season, I have gotten the feeling that these people are actually a real team. :thoranime09: What a novel concept.


Agreed. I liked McKay's not wanting to break into Keller's room and then making the comment that he should not be held responsible if they charge in there and Keller is naked.

On another note i liked the McKay/Teyla interaction as they had several scenes together (Teyla keeping McKay in the loop when McKay was quarantined in his room aswell as Teyla calling McKay for help in opening Keller's door). It is something which has been severely lacking in the past few seasons so hopefully the writers rectify that in season 5 as i like their interaction.

Khentkawes
July 19th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Yes Sheppard constantly saving the day by himself is getting really old really fast.

I thought it was getting old by the end of season one or two. Now it's just getting ridiculous. For a brief moment, I had hoped that Sheppard would remain quarantined for the whole episode and Teyla would save the day. But alas, it was just a moment of ill-fated optimism.



On another note i liked the McKay/Teyla interaction as they had several scenes together (Teyla keeping McKay in the loop when McKay was quarantined in his room aswell as Teyla calling McKay for help in opening Keller's door).

Right! I almost forgot that part. They had a great dynamic all the way through this episode.
If they keep this up, I might actually believe these people are a team. ;) Of course, that means we would have to see an episode where they save the day through teamwork, instead of by Sheppard's magical super-powers. Still, I'm guardedly optimistic.

Linzi
July 19th, 2008, 01:06 AM
I enjoyed The Seed. As others have said, not the most exciting ever, but still plenty to enjoy.

Good stuff
* Teyla with the baby - good scene, made sense, didn't distract from the show
* info on Kanaan - back to human
* info on Michael - still out there possibly with a jumper and the ATA gene
* references to the past - iratus bugs, retrovirus, turning into a bug, Carter, Weir
* Keller curing Carson!!!
* Woolsey - can't help it, I liked him. No nonsense, ignored the obvious dislike and insolence of his senior staff, a tight-a**ed bureaucrat who has enough sense to listen to the people around him and make the right decision instead of the rulebook one. And yet still questions himself.
* info on Wraith ships
* Zelenka!!
* mention of Lorne
* Teyla running an op. She may still question whether she should be going off-world on missions but she rocked here.
* hints of Rodney and Keller (I can't help myself! I think they're adorable together.)
* Shep - convulsing, restrained, flatlining, impaled... oops, wrong thread
* Rodney being angry about Carson leaving
* Rodney volunteering (albeit quietly) to brave the Wraithweed and inject Keller
* Rodney's reluctance to stand when Woolsey arrived
* Woolsey's complete ineptitude when he beamed down. He had no idea what to say or do.

Questions/Quibbles
* not enough Ronon
* what happened to Rodney and Teyla at the end?
* I expected a little more blatant hostility toward Woolsey. Maybe a little more conflict next week.
* who's taking care of Teyla's baby while she's at work?

Overall, an enjoyable ep.
Well, I'm just going to steal , um, borrow your review. I loved the episode. Good story, but a little slow to start with, I'd agree. Loved the ending though :D

Liked that the team missed Carter and I also liked that they thought she'd been replaced because she'd done too well. She deserved that credit and respect, IMO. I miss her! Woolsey was a little...hmmm, uncharismatic for me. I could have done with a bit of anger, a few fireworks, or something more here. He was a little emotionless perhaps? Though also a little out of his depth? But, it's early days. I do like him and hope he'll cause a little more conflict than he did here, though it's obvious the team aren't best pleased with him being there initially.

Keller was fine. I'm liking her more this season. But the Keller/Rodney romance thing is being pushed a little, perhaps? I'm not a shipper, so I'll just ignore it! :lol:

Loved Shep here. I think it's good he keeps ending up in the infirmary, so there! ;) There can never be too much Shep whump for me. So thank you Paul Mullie :D

Interesting to see how the wraith organic stuff grows, and I'd have been interested to find out exactly what Keller would have changed in to. Another one of Michael's experiments, no doubt.

All in all, a good, solid episode. Could have done with a bit more of a faster pace at times, especially near the beginning for it to be perfect, but I really loved it, overall. Everyone had something to do, and a few lines were hysterical.

Rodney and his sweaty palms, dry mouth etc. and Carson saying that was nothing out of the usual. Shep responding to Woolsey that would anyone notice that Ronon wasn't speaking? Shep saying he'd just sit back and relax while waiting for the cure to work, Shep saying it only hurt when he breathed... yep, I'm loving this eppie!

I'm giving it a conservative 8/10 at the moment, but that's a good score from me. I need to re-watch. But a strong episode from PM, IMO. I look forward to BT next week! :)

metabog
July 19th, 2008, 01:32 AM
Did the tentacle grab John by the balls in the end or what?

david2708
July 19th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Neither the best nor the worst of eps. Bit of a worry that we get filler type episodes and we're only up to the second episode of the season.
Um...how come Mr tentacles only wakes up after Shep injects keller and then stabs him. Ronan only got about two feet before he got snagged.
Hello.....Shep only just crashed a jumper into your digs. I would have thought that was a slight wakey wakey, danger ahead call for Mr tentacles.
Sheppy can just wander through the ever so deadly strands right up to her and inject her with no obstacle whatsoever.
Convenient and a stroke of good fortune no doubt.

Landers
July 19th, 2008, 01:55 AM
This was "okay", but I admit I did think Woolsey was fine. In fact, I kinda liked him. Yeah, I'm eatin' my words. He works.

I liked Teyla as a mom, but she is also becoming more "mature" (I wouldn't say assertive). I like her better recently, but I would like to know who is babysitting for her.

Carson was wonderful and it was so good to have a doctor who actually knew something back in town. Keller is absolutely useless. Why in the world did they make her a reg and dump Carson? How many "chances" do we need to give her? Woolsey I thought I would hate, but in one episode I feel he just may work. Keller? After a year? Uh, no way.

I always love Zelenka!

Shep to the rescue, AGAIN, is boring. Can someone else save the day? Like others have said, why doesn't Teyla ever save the universe single-handedly?

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 02:43 AM
when Keller admitted she had a potential cure for him, but was afraid to try it (the usual spineless little girl that she is). Woolsey forced the issue, and we got us a REAL doctor! Sold me on Woolsey, right there. ;)

Probably because Woolsey was open minded for killing off people that caused him trouble, and Keller didn't feel like killing Carson for just the heck of it. Her bad evidently...

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 02:59 AM
It is possible that this infection stopped Keller telling anyone.

It's evident if you re-watch the episode. She already has that distant look on her face that will get worse the next day during the briefing.

segaxgames
July 19th, 2008, 03:08 AM
Eh, what are you talking about?:confused:

A Month has passed since the events of Search and Rescue...

2 months have passed since the events of The Last Man...

are you confused now?

You said something incorrect a couple posts ago and I was correcting you.

g.o.d
July 19th, 2008, 03:11 AM
boring piece of crap. Nothing more.

thank lords of Kobol there was Woolsey, who was the first pragmatic commander with brain. I like his scene in the briefing room when they were discussing Michael's fate

Linzi
July 19th, 2008, 03:14 AM
Well I watched this again and liked it even more second time round. There were a few bits I missed first time round. I really enjoyed the story here, and felt it was really well executed too.

I think I was perhaps a little unfair on Woolsey initially. Now I've looked again, he wasn't emotionless. He was just calmer than I expected, and it threw me. I suppose I was expecting him to panic more, from previous experience of him, but I'm glad he didn't. He did seem to fit in well and make good decisions, even if they weren't 'by the book' :lol:.

I missed a couple of line's previously. One which made me laugh was where Sheppard remarked to Woolsey that one if his decisions wasn't by the book and Woolsey answered with 'Don't get used to it.' I really liked that line! A good follow up to that was where Sheppard apologised for not filling Woolsey in on his plan, and said he didn't have time to do the paperwork! I liked that too. I think paperwork could be a recurring thing here with Woolsey! :D

I also hadn't quite grasped that human hosts are required to make Hive ships? I got that right, didn't I? I initially had presumed Keller and everyone getting infected was just a mistake and their misfortune, but on watching again it seems the wraith purposely infect a human with this pathogen in order to created their ships? That is really creepy, if I understood that correctly! Does that mean Hive ships have a human consciousness, or what previously was a human consciousness, in them? So in some way they're sentient? :confused:

Anyway, I have upgrade the episode to a 8.5/10 on second viewing. Yes, it still plodded a tad at the beginning, but it was a really interesting story and lots of exposition was needed. It also fitted a heck of a lot into 43 mins. We had Carson coming out of stasis and being temporarily cured, Woolsey as expedition leader, and the aftermath of Carter going. We had Keller being infected, we learned how Hive's are made AND got to see Sheppy whumped again :D Yep, I'm liking the way season 5 is going so far! :)

HyperCaz
July 19th, 2008, 03:18 AM
I am definitely liking Woolsey's presence on Atlantis. A promising start to development on his character, especially at the end there. :) Very decent episode with interesting stuff...

Hive ships grown out of humans? Whoa, Michael is teh smrt. :D This is going to be a problem if Atlantis can't make any more Puddlejumpers and keep losing them in space battles... uh oh...!

Naturally, as a fangirl...

BECKETT :D :D :D His role in this episode was perfect, like the good old days. Not too much, not too little. Well balanced.

All in all, I really liked this episode. :)

power to the people
July 19th, 2008, 04:06 AM
I personally found most of the whole episode to be completely predictable. The only question that needed answering is how to kill the seed thing. Woolsey's character is pretty much what everyone was expecting it to be which makes him predictable at least in this episode. My gosh how many refereces to the book do they have to make? I found the whole episode to be almost painful to watch because of all this.:(
The only thing that was great to see was Beckett back in action.:)
Also, I agree with a comment I saw about Sheppard flying the puddle jumper into the building and not getting attacked untill after he gave her the antidote. What did he have majical powers or become superman for a few moments? Anyways after reading this you may think I am not a fan of Atlantis or something, it's just the opposite I am a big fan. Well that's one episode down Picardo, two more to go.
Personally I am looking much more forward to next weeks episode. It looks like good ol times and not much of Woolsey. Yeh:cameron:

*subrosa*
July 19th, 2008, 04:17 AM
BECKETT BECKETT BECKETT!!!!

there, now that's out of my system...

lets see... I think the episode was both tremendously annoying and completely exiting at the same time...
I really disliked Woolsey at some points, which is probably normal because he's a member of the IOA and he is supposed to be disliked, but I kinda enjoyed his presence at least a little. He didn't do a bad job running Atlantis and I think his character will only grow stronger... at least I hope, else we'll be stuck with another Keller...
Oh and speaking of Keller... She really made some bad decisions in that episode, probably because of the effects of the... whatever it was that was in her system, which made her mind go all crazy, but hello!! her hands were all slimy and disgusting, a CMO would've thought of checking it out right? Instead she washes the stuff off and continues her every day work.... she could've at least examined the substance or something, it might have stopped this catastrophy from happening...
anyways, I suppose it could be blamed to the fact that she wasn't in her right mind...
I really liked Teyla as a mother, it was just too cute really... and the problems that arise once you become a mother were really nicely put.


Well, that about sums up what I think about the episode... now for some... things that I noticed.


Has the SGA gotten their hands on a new ZPM? Because of they didn't, I don't really understand why everyone was so hell bend on trying to safe the power from the ZPM because for as far as I know, the ZPM got depleted in 'McKay and Mrs. Miller' and there would've been no power to safe in the first place.
Well, actually... that's about all I can think of right now...

MikeRasschaert
July 19th, 2008, 04:44 AM
Well Mckay and mrs. Miller episode was during season 3. After the Asurans came back to claim the city, the team lead by weir and Sheppard were able to take the city back from the Asurans, leaving them with 3 ZPM's. One went to Antarctica, another to the Odyssey and the last one remained on Atlantis. During First Strike, Adrift, the ZPM got depleted and during Lifeline, they managed to steal another from the Asurans with Weir being left behind.
That's how they stil got a ZPM.
Overall a standard filler episode. The first episode: search and rescue was adequate, but not on the same level as Adrift, No Mans land or The Siege III. Those were great season openers. Search and Rescue doesn't follow that trend.

Klenotka
July 19th, 2008, 04:46 AM
Suprisingly, I liked it. Well, the end wasn´t, because of hero Sheppard, that perfect but all in all, nice episode.

I like Woolsey. He is exactly the type of commander they need. He can slow down them a little, cool them down. If Carter were there (well, were...more like weren´t) they would probably go and hunt ghosts. Micheal might be alive but Woolsey had a point - there is no proof. He cut off Sheppard, Rodney, Teyla, everyone with brief, to-the-point attitude, I like it. He didn´t follow rules later but he still had some basic in them and handled his first crisis well.

I even liked Teyla :eek: I think this her comforting presence where she can help and be support to someone suits her.

Keller and Rodney, how cute they are? :D I don´t like pairings, but I think they are just perfect match for each other. How Rodney cared for Jennifer and how she liked that Rodney talks to Carson (which was sweet, too, btw :D), it was really nice. They don´t need to be a couple but they might be very good friends.

Now, what I don´t like. Authors have problems with endings. They are not able to handle it. They have story that has a potential for two or more episodes but they are always looking for quick resolutions. I don´t understand why? They could do a story-arcs like this, in tow or three episodes, like in Enterprise. Without stand-alone episodes. Sure, there could be some, but not so many.
I didn´t like the end. I didn´t like Sheppard´s behaviour again. Seriously, why wasn´t this guy court-martialed yet? :rolleyes: Would it kill him to tell Woolsey what is his plan? They were out of options and I am sure Woolsey would allow him to do it. But nooo, Sheppard has to be a hero, and again play a lonely wolf who is against everybody when he is the only one with final, brilliant idea and saves everybody! Come on! It begins to be annoying, it happens most of the time. It would take him how long? A minute to explain his plan? He would go there anyway, I know, but at least he would have it approved.There was no reason for an insubordination, and it was an insubordination. I think Woolsey is exactly the type of commander Sheppard needs. But I am afraid, that with their style "Sheppard is the true hero" will be Sheppard the one who is always right and Woolsey is wrong.

So yeah, the end annoyed me a little but I liked 3/4 of the episode. I hope that it won´t end as in S4 - there, I also liked first five episodes...

bluealien
July 19th, 2008, 04:55 AM
I personally found most of the whole episode to be completely predictable. The only question that needed answering is how to kill the seed thing. Woolsey's character is pretty much what everyone was expecting it to be which makes him predictable at least in this episode. My gosh how many refereces to the book do they have to make? I found the whole episode to be almost painful to watch because of all this.:(
The only thing that was great to see was Beckett back in action.:)
Also, I agree with a comment I saw about Sheppard flying the puddle jumper into the building and not getting attacked untill after he gave her the antidote. What did he have majical powers or become superman for a few moments? Anyways after reading this you may think I am not a fan of Atlantis or something, it's just the opposite I am a big fan. Well that's one episode down Picardo, two more to go.
Personally I am looking much more forward to next weeks episode. It looks like good ol times and not much of Woolsey. Yeh:cameron:


Sheppard was not attacked because he was also infected...so the creature picked him up as being friendly.. this was explained and it worked the same way when Sheppard went into the cave with the Iratus bugs.... the same way Ronon was not attacked UNTIL they both make an agressive move on the entity. Ronon when he shot the thing and Sheppard when he injected Keller..then it picked up their actions as hostile...

It probably only attacked Zelenka because whatever readings he was taking again could have been contrued as attacking it and it tried to defend itself.

As to Sheppard not having to wade though lots of tentacles again this was explained by Sheppard that he took the short cut.. he crashed the jumper through the wall of the isolation room making a hole in the wall and therefore he was pretty much right there in front of Keller....

suse
July 19th, 2008, 04:58 AM
ok ep, once again story based from sg-1 episode(message in a bottle) at least the alien growing thing

I thought it was a combination of SG-1's Entity (Sam was taken over) and Zero Hour (a plant grows uncontrollably).

:rolleyes: Yeah it was very convenient that Shep could 'control crash' that puddlejumper at that exact point without killing Keller of Ronon. And - as he no longer was infected *and* had injured the plant - managed to get close enough to Keller (with zero resistance from the plant) to inject her.

suse

bluealien
July 19th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Now, what I don´t like. Authors have problems with endings. They are not able to handle it. They have story that has a potential for two or more episodes but they are always looking for quick resolutions. I don´t understand why? They could do a story-arcs like this, in tow or three episodes, like in Enterprise. Without stand-alone episodes. Sure, there could be some, but not so many.
I didn´t like the end. I didn´t like Sheppard´s behaviour again. Seriously, why wasn´t this guy court-martialed yet? :rolleyes: Would it kill him to tell Woolsey what is his plan? They were out of options and I am sure Woolsey would allow him to do it. But nooo, Sheppard has to be a hero, and again play a lonely wolf who is against everybody when he is the only one with final, brilliant idea and saves everybody! Come on! It begins to be annoying, it happens most of the time. It would take him how long? A minute to explain his plan? He would go there anyway, I know, but at least he would have it approved.There was no reason for an insubordination, and it was an insubordination. I think Woolsey is exactly the type of commander Sheppard needs. But I am afraid, that with their style "Sheppard is the true hero" will be Sheppard the one who is always right and Woolsey is wrong.

So yeah, the end annoyed me a little but I liked 3/4 of the episode. I hope that it won´t end as in S4 - there, I also liked first five episodes...

So we should courtmartial Sheppard now for saving lives. and how was he against everybody :confused:

So Sheppard should have just hung around explaining his plan to Woolsey while Ronon was choking to death... I think time was of the essence here!!

And insubordination... how can he be insubordinate when he didn't even get a chance to talk to Woolsey.. It had nothing to do about being right or wrong but taking action to save Ronon and Kellers life and ultimately the whole of Atlantis.
Well Sheppard is the hero and yeah he gets to save the day.. but no more than Rodney coming up with his genius plan at the tenth hour... I can't really see Rodney flying the jumper like that and managing to save everyone... but then he's not a trained soldier or a pilot of Sheppard's experience...

Klenotka
July 19th, 2008, 05:19 AM
So we should courtmartial Sheppard now for saving lives. and how was he against everybody :confused:

So Sheppard should have just hung around explaining his plan to Woolsey while Ronon was choking to death... I think time was of the essence here!!

And insubordination... how can he be insubordinate when he didn't even get a chance to talk to Woolsey.. It had nothing to do about being right or wrong but taking action to save Ronon and Kellers life and ultimately the whole of Atlantis.
Well Sheppard is the hero and yeah he gets to save the day.. but no more than Rodney coming up with his genius plan at the tenth hour... I can't really see Rodney flying the jumper like that and managing to save everyone... but then he's not a trained soldier or a pilot of Sheppard's experience...

He was in a quarantine - it was a violation of orders not staying there. He could always use his radio.
That was exactly my point! He is *always* taking action without telling anybody but it always works so they just say "Yeah, good work". I have never heard anyone to say "You saved all lives but you also risked a plan that might have not worked and without telling your superior officer". When was the last time when he did wrong when he insubordinated? Hot Zone in S1? And Weir told him that it can´t happen any more. But then suddenly, poof, and he is doing this every time! He goes, without telling anybody, takes action, risks and yeah, it works, but only because it is meant to work. I wish once, just once, he was wrong and there were serious consequences for his behaviour.
Rodney comes up with a plan but it is usually Sheppard who takes credit for rescueing everybody. Search and Rescue is a good example of that. And, there again, Sheppard did a stupid thing that he went half-unconscious to a mission. I never heard that someone would say *anything* to Sheppard, except those brief moments in S1. He is in a military for God sake! There should be consequences. I am not saying he should be punished like relieving him...in Atlantis, it´s different situation and I think he is a man in his place in certain situations. But, he practically ignores chain of command sometimes and even for it should be some consequnces.

I know, this is SG, it shouldn´t be taken seriously. But when it happens again and again, it annoys me. I am sorry but I really see it that way.

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 05:25 AM
And - as he no longer was infected *and* had injured the plant - managed to get close enough to Keller (with zero resistance from the plant) to inject her.


The plant forgot to recheck Sheppard, their luck was that it was that stupid. :D

jasminaGo
July 19th, 2008, 05:29 AM
I thought it was a combination of SG-1's Entity (Sam was taken over) and Zero Hour (a plant grows uncontrollably).


Don't forget "Message in a Bottle". The alien entity uses Jack to comunicate while it spreads through the walls of the SGC.

Over all, I found it to be a meh episode. Got pretty much what I expected from Woolsey, Sheppard was the "hero" again, what else is new, Ronon was grunting most of the time, again no change there.

The only bright thing I can say about this ep is that it was nice to see Teyla actually do something else instead of being the damsel in distress (even for a short time)

Linda06
July 19th, 2008, 05:36 AM
I can't be bothered writing it out so i just pasted and copied what i wrote in the JT thread :o

Well great to see Teyla back :D She got alot of screen time in the first part of the ep but i am a little disappointed she kinda vanished in the second part.....

I loved Keller in this ep,i thought this is the best she's been so far even if she was just lying there for the most part ;) But she from what i saw of her she was great....

Woolsey....Well,i admit i was a little concerned about him taking over but he was simply fabulous here.....He didn't come in and teel them how to do things.......He listened and that's a good thing.....He took their advice on board and didn't always go by the book...In these kinds of situations you can't go by the book all the time,you have to trust you're gut instinct sometimes...

Kanaan...Well we got a couple of mentions about him but i still don't think he'll hang around...

Now Rodney.......Can y'all believe this is the second ep in a row i've actually liked him...I am so glad they've toned back the whining a bit....And i kinda miss the banter between him and Carson....

The bit near the end when Woolsey said that Ronon had a bruised larynx and that he won't be able to speak for about a week and Shep said i wonder if anyone will notice...I almost fell outta my chair from laughing :lol:

One thing i'm concerned with though.....This is the second ep in a row that Shep has been whumped.......Why is it that Shep is getting all the best whump lately....Doesn't the others deserve to get their fair share too..

But all in all i liked this ep...Not as good as last weeks but good none the less!

Oh and forgot to write this.....Zeleka was great...I like him and we finally get some decent screentime with Zelenka and Teyla working together!:D

I_C_Ancients
July 19th, 2008, 05:38 AM
Okay i just saw The Seed and thought that this was even a worse ep then all that came before......


who else thinks the same?

g.o.d
July 19th, 2008, 05:41 AM
boring, useless, bad, predictable

Oka
July 19th, 2008, 05:48 AM
Boring. Don't like episodes where someone of the cast gets taken over by an "alien entity", has happened way too many times. They were stuck on Atlantis the entire episode too. They really need go exploring other planets, I mean it's STARGATE after all.

marty2006
July 19th, 2008, 05:48 AM
Shouldnt this be in the season 5 section and im sure there is a thread on it already.

jocag18
July 19th, 2008, 05:52 AM
Did anyone else get the feeling that the impaling of sheppard seemed a little odd. off all the injuries they could have given him to be stabbed by the tentacle was the winner. It almost seems like the significance of this injury could resurface in a latter episode. Anyone else had a feeling like that?

MikeRasschaert
July 19th, 2008, 05:52 AM
Suprisingly, I liked it. Well, the end wasn´t, because of hero Sheppard, that perfect but all in all, nice episode.

I like Woolsey. He is exactly the type of commander they need. He can slow down them a little, cool them down. If Carter were there (well, were...more like weren´t) they would probably go and hunt ghosts. Micheal might be alive but Woolsey had a point - there is no proof. He cut off Sheppard, Rodney, Teyla, everyone with brief, to-the-point attitude, I like it. He didn´t follow rules later but he still had some basic in them and handled his first crisis well.

I even liked Teyla :eek: I think this her comforting presence where she can help and be support to someone suits her.

Keller and Rodney, how cute they are? :D I don´t like pairings, but I think they are just perfect match for each other. How Rodney cared for Jennifer and how she liked that Rodney talks to Carson (which was sweet, too, btw :D), it was really nice. They don´t need to be a couple but they might be very good friends.

Now, what I don´t like. Authors have problems with endings. They are not able to handle it. They have story that has a potential for two or more episodes but they are always looking for quick resolutions. I don´t understand why? They could do a story-arcs like this, in tow or three episodes, like in Enterprise. Without stand-alone episodes. Sure, there could be some, but not so many.
I didn´t like the end. I didn´t like Sheppard´s behaviour again. Seriously, why wasn´t this guy court-martialed yet? :rolleyes: Would it kill him to tell Woolsey what is his plan? They were out of options and I am sure Woolsey would allow him to do it. But nooo, Sheppard has to be a hero, and again play a lonely wolf who is against everybody when he is the only one with final, brilliant idea and saves everybody! Come on! It begins to be annoying, it happens most of the time. It would take him how long? A minute to explain his plan? He would go there anyway, I know, but at least he would have it approved.There was no reason for an insubordination, and it was an insubordination. I think Woolsey is exactly the type of commander Sheppard needs. But I am afraid, that with their style "Sheppard is the true hero" will be Sheppard the one who is always right and Woolsey is wrong.

So yeah, the end annoyed me a little but I liked 3/4 of the episode. I hope that it won´t end as in S4 - there, I also liked first five episodes...

While SG-1 did have long running story-arcs, most of the time, they had stand alone episodes with the usual exceptions of the midseason two-parter, the ending of every season except s7-9.
I do remember another great show: Angel, a spinoff of Buffy TVS. It was a great show with longrunning storyarcs that developed over seasons as was revealed in season 4, that all other previous seasons were a runner up to it. In season 5, they were asked to do standalone episodes.
Season 1 of Atlantis was one episode after another, the continuation was amazing and the writing topnotch, even with The Siege III. Than came the stand alone episodes and season 2 was somewhat weaker than s1 because the overal threat of invasion by the Wraith was gone.
Woolsey was great. I actually laughed when the tentacles attacked Zalenka. I actually saw it coming that that would happen.
I do hope that they bring over some of the writers of BSG for season 6. It wouldn't hurt having them on board as well. What the writers team need is fresh blood with new ideas and not reuse old plots from SG-1.

GateLadyM
July 19th, 2008, 06:04 AM
The episode was so-so, but worth watching overall.

The good:

Woolsey! Oh my, I thought he would tank, but it was a nice surprise to see a leader who makes decisions (good or bad) and is tough with people. Maybe he should have been in this spot instead of Weir long ago.

Teyla has grown into someone I really like and respect. Its too bad she continues to get shoved to the back. She had a few good scenes and disappeared. I don't think TPTB really know what to do with her. She gets one or two good episodes a year and that's it. Hoping we get more of her down the road.

Zelenka is a plus for every episode he is in.

CARSON! What else can be said. He has been missed!

The bad:

Keller, Keller, Keller. The infection didn't make her indecisive, she has always been a spineless jellyfish and she is even worse this year. The whole idea of two men wanting her is baffling to say the least. She is a bore.

Sheppard - as much as I love the guy, he has become predictable, and downright stale. I'd like to see a few episodes without him frankly.

stclare
July 19th, 2008, 06:20 AM
This was an OK episode IMO. Not edge of your seat or anything but ok filler epsisode. i have to wonder why we are getting one of those so quickly in the season?

Can not wrap my head around sheppered being able to inject Keller without a fight from the "thing". he'd already had the injection whicht proved he was no longer a carrier, had just gone parking on the things head yet it doesnt percieve shep as a threat? no not buying it at all. im kinda done now with shep saving the day against great odds. lets share the wump or you know actualy have the TEAM solve the badness together you know in the same place it would be unique! <sarcasm>

loved the rodney and teyla interaction they should get more scenes, yep. also liked woolsie, hes an ass but he seems to be right for that position. you cant be best friends with people you are in charge of. I think there has to be some distance for you to be able to make those tough decisions. hope he continues in this vain. did not care for the Big Up to Carter, she was barely there in season 4 yet she was the reason for everything. (yes i know thats an exageration but i cant help myself, sorry carter fans i just didnt get her,you know :o) i thought carter was poorly written in season 4. Search and Rescue was the 1st time i saw the carter i would have prefered in season 4.

Keller was OK i liked her interaction with teyla and her stuff with Carson and Rodney. i like her better in these two eps than the begining of last season so its all good as far as im concerned. although ive developed a kinda of Blehh when i see or here from Ronan :o i have no idea why he didnt do anything wrong or different but just blehh, hopefully that will have moved on next ep.

all in all an 8/10 ep alot better for me personaly, than most of the eps of season 4 :cool:

CazzBlade
July 19th, 2008, 06:46 AM
Great episode! The beginning was a bit slow but the end was fantastic :D

> Loved Teyla leading the team, so glad she isn't spending every minute (on the show ;)) with her baby

> Adored Woolsey, I think he'll be great in the show. He had some fab lines and really liked his interaction with Sheppard

> Ronon was fab but I thought there could have been more of him and as much as I liked the tenticles strangling him I was a little disapointed that that meant he was being the hero, if you get what I mean :S

> Not much Rodney in the ep but I definately (and unfortunately :() got the McKeller vibe

> Keller is still a bit meh to me

> Really enjoyed seeing Carson again, more than I expected too

> Shep was brill through the whole ep :D and yeah he was the hero again as many have said but he is the hero of the show (I do agree that maybe they should have had Ronon do a bit more of the hero bit)

> Great Shep whump, the convulsing was even better than I expected, sooo long and almost intubated :D And the impaling was unexpected :)

usernr1337
July 19th, 2008, 06:56 AM
yes i didnt like this episode too much too, but it wasnt a complete waste of time. plus couldnt they use that 'antidote' to destroy hive ships?

pittsburghgirl
July 19th, 2008, 06:59 AM
The one major nit picky thing I have about this episode-and it isn't the only show that does this-is the general misrepresentation of CPR.

Folks-it is 30 compressions to 2 breaths. Even if you bag them, even if you have a crash cart-it is 30:2 not 3:1 like they showed on the show.

if they are going to try and get the medical jargon correct they need to show this correctly as well.:(

Platschu
July 19th, 2008, 07:02 AM
Wow. It was a very good team episode. I began to like Woolsey. Teyla was cool, when she saved Radek. The infested tower reminded me to the Zerg from StarCraft. Maybe Jenny will be the new Kerrigan. :D The special effects were amazing, I hope they will continue this storyline later. :o

What I didn't like? The Sheppard's reviving scene. It was useless. They made it in Doppelganger. ;)

I gave 8/10 point. :cool:

suse
July 19th, 2008, 07:05 AM
Boring. Don't like episodes where someone of the cast gets taken over by an "alien entity", has happened way too many times. They were stuck on Atlantis the entire episode too. They really need go exploring other planets, I mean it's STARGATE after all.

What is this Stargate of which you speak? ;)

I thought this show was about ships - either Hive or Earth.

suse

aboleyn24
July 19th, 2008, 07:07 AM
I am a total Shep girl and normally have no problem with Shep saving the day. I have to say in this episode it felt wrong. For a brief moment I actually thought Ronon was going to be able to pull it off, then I looked at the clock and realized nope.

They touched on this last week when Shep referred to himself as "the guy" and when Ronon told him he didn't have to do everything himself. So I was kinda hopeful that someone other than Shep or McKay could pull off the big save.

Still I enjoyed the episode.

suse
July 19th, 2008, 07:09 AM
Did anyone else get the feeling that the impaling of sheppard seemed a little odd. off all the injuries they could have given him to be stabbed by the tentacle was the winner. It almost seems like the significance of this injury could resurface in a latter episode. Anyone else had a feeling like that?

Was he impaled or did the Devils's Snare tentacles break a few ribs?

suse

Platschu
July 19th, 2008, 07:09 AM
They could beam the complete tower for the continent. Maybe that would kill Keller, but the city could be saved easier. :P

Mekarri
July 19th, 2008, 07:13 AM
Okay, I thought this episode was alright and usually I'm fine with the Keller character, but was I the only one wondering why she didn't tell anybody sooner that she woke up with goop on her hands? I know she was going to do a scan later, but personally I would have been a bit concerned if that happened to me.
I was thinking the same thing. She is a doctor. Her charcter is weak. I wish Cason was taking her place. I like the actor personally but something always seem missing or force with her. I hope it gets better.

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 07:25 AM
Kanaan...Well we got a couple of mentions about him but i still don't think he'll hang around...

Well, I don't expect Kanaan and Teyla living happily ever after in a pretty house with a large yard with swings and white fence. I've got a gut feeling that while Woolsey is trying to decide what to do with them, Michael will waltz in with his brand new hive ship, and pick them all up, for a bit of converting.

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 07:32 AM
Okay, I thought this episode was alright and usually I'm fine with the Keller character, but was I the only one wondering why she didn't tell anybody sooner that she woke up with goop on her hands? I know she was going to do a scan later, but personally I would have been a bit concerned if that happened to me.

:rolleyes: C'mon, the two most frequently asked questions are:
1. ZPM? What ZPM?
2. What a terible doctor/character is Keller, for not telling anyone about the goo on her hands.

It should be added to the FAQ.

Briangate78
July 19th, 2008, 07:49 AM
I am going with a few other folks and gave this ep also a 8/10!

hedwig
July 19th, 2008, 07:54 AM
This episode was a disappointment. The actors seemed really flat and that stuff on Keller didn't look scary, just silly. And PS. I miss Sam already.

I will second the above. Not one of the best episodes. And since I'm feeling grumpy this morning:o, I don't have much nice to say about the episode.

Although it was only slightly a nice part of the episode where they sat around the conference table talking about Sam; if this is what JM referred to in his blog about Sam leaving, it seemed to fall flat.

Woolsey seemed to be "flat" in this episode. I was expecting him to be trying to throw his weight around as the new commander. Though perhaps he decided that wasn't in his own personal best interest right off the bat.

Also, there was no explanation of why this "seed" waited till Keller was asleep on the infirmary counter before it made it's presence known, and it had already been on the base for about three weeks (that's how long it took Woolsey to get to Atlantis on Daedulus). Considering the infirmary must be thoroughly cleansed every day, it seems odd that this virus was waiting around on that table for Keller to fall asleep on it. Must be immune to earth cleanliness materials.

It seemed to me that everyone was acting in, if not slow motion, then in slowed down motion throughout the episode.

It was nice to see Teyla with her baby, but there is no explanation (though it will probably come later) where the baby is when not with Teyla.

And as timid(?) as Keller has been throughout her appearances on the show, I would have thought this experience would absolutely freak her out - being trapped inside that "thing", being unable to move. Unless it drugged her somehow, one would think she'd be yelling or something to otherwise make her presence known.

And my last comment,

Sam has been back on earth 3 weeks - give or take a few days - when Woolsey arrives on Atlantis. When it is found Keller is infected with this virus, everyone who was on that planet with her is promply quarantined. Woolsey even says Colonel Carter has been quarantined on earth. So has Continuum already happened during that three weeks, and she's now back on earth in quarantine? Maybe it's just me, but there's a bit of a plot hole suggested there.

And a complete change of subject - it was nice to see Keller's assistant used a bit more in this episode. The one that assists with surgeries and who came in to tell Keller she really needed to go get some sleep. They should use her more.

Oh, and for J/S shippers, Jack must have been beside himself if Sam was in quarantine for any length of time - (whacko, one fry short of a happy meal, etc. :)).:jack_new_anime25::D

There are other things that annoyed me about the episode, but I think this is enough to inflict on you all at one time.;)

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Also, there was no explanation of why this "seed" waited till Keller was asleep on the infirmary counter before it made it's presence known, and it had already been on the base for about three weeks (that's how long it took Woolsey to get to Atlantis on Daedulus). Considering the infirmary must be thoroughly cleansed every day, it seems odd that this virus was waiting around on that table for Keller to fall asleep on it. Must be immune to earth cleanliness materials.

It didn't get on her hand from the table, but it got on the table form her hand. It was in her, they got infected when the building crashed.

hedwig
July 19th, 2008, 08:08 AM
SGA - TV Squad: Review 'The Seed' Plus POLL:

From TV Squad (http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/19/stargate-atlantis-the-seed/):

(Please follow the link for the complete review.)

Stargate Atlantis: The Seed


We've had our first real look at Woolsey. What do you think?

* It was great, like I thought it would be.
* Pleasantly surprised. Much better than I expected.
* Eh, I'm just not feeling the Woolsey.
* Good grief, I really didn't like it.

* It was great, like I thought it would be.
* Pleasantly surprised. Much better than I expected.
* Eh, I'm just not feeling the Woolsey. To be fair, ... at least not yet
* Good grief, I really didn't like it.

Sweetsong
July 19th, 2008, 08:10 AM
A Month has passed since the events of Search and Rescue...

2 months have passed since the events of The Last Man...

are you confused now?

You said something incorrect a couple posts ago and I was correcting you.

Your explanation doesn't make any sense, the whole point of my post was that Teyla's indecision to return to active duty wasn't addressed. You are telling me the time that has passed in between episodes and that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

The episode where Teyla showed her indecision was Midway, and yes that was quite a while ago. Though she seemed so torn I thought for sure that there would be some indication of her getting over that fear and being able to return to active duty. Also the fact that you mentioned that she's going to Earth on the Daedalus completely bewilders me, even if it's true, what does that have to do with my post?

Lewisco
July 19th, 2008, 08:24 AM
i really enjoyed the episode. better than what i thought it would be. it's good to see we're still learning a bit more about wraith tech every now and then. quite a bizzare, yet cool way of constructing/growing a ship.
i especially liked the scene at the very end with Woosley admitting he doesn't think he can do the job, i think it showed a good new side to woolsey. and then had shepphard somewhat comforting him, something about that moment, i liked it.

Lord batchi ball
July 19th, 2008, 08:44 AM
He was in a quarantine - it was a violation of orders not staying there. He could always use his radio.
That was exactly my point! He is *always* taking action without telling anybody but it always works so they just say "Yeah, good work". I have never heard anyone to say "You saved all lives but you also risked a plan that might have not worked and without telling your superior officer". When was the last time when he did wrong when he insubordinated? Hot Zone in S1? And Weir told him that it can´t happen any more. But then suddenly, poof, and he is doing this every time! He goes, without telling anybody, takes action, risks and yeah, it works, but only because it is meant to work. I wish once, just once, he was wrong and there were serious consequences for his behaviour.
Rodney comes up with a plan but it is usually Sheppard who takes credit for rescueing everybody. Search and Rescue is a good example of that. And, there again, Sheppard did a stupid thing that he went half-unconscious to a mission. I never heard that someone would say *anything* to Sheppard, except those brief moments in S1. He is in a military for God sake! There should be consequences. I am not saying he should be punished like relieving him...in Atlantis, it´s different situation and I think he is a man in his place in certain situations. But, he practically ignores chain of command sometimes and even for it should be some consequnces.

I know, this is SG, it shouldn´t be taken seriously. But when it happens again and again, it annoys me. I am sorry but I really see it that way.

Wow I think I found someone who feels the same way about Shep as I do. Wier did a ok job of holding Shep down but Carter let him run all over the place, and like I stated earlyier I hope Woosly is the one who will grab him by the horns and make him chill out and listen to orders for once. And I hope that will curve Sheps enthusiasim for jumping into every deadly situtation that he can. I can understand what he is talking about helping his teamates but now its bordering on general sucideyness (not really a word but it works). And it is getting down right annoying. LIke Ronan said in S&R to Shep, "you don't have to do everything yourself."

Now that I think a little more about it, his actions also show a mistrust in the people around him. LIke he does'nt believe they have the capibilities to complete the said task. Or that he feels superior to every else like they aren't smart enough to understand what he is talking about. Both of those can spell death for a team, once the trust is gone there is nothing to keep them together.

s09119
July 19th, 2008, 08:54 AM
You have to remember, either way, they need some very low-budget episodes with no guest stars or exotic locations once in a while, in order to balance things out. This was easy because they could use the tentacle things from former SG-1 and Atlantis episodes and they didn't really need major effects or anything.

Good episode? Not so much. Okay for a filler? Yeah, sure.

Vala_M
July 19th, 2008, 09:01 AM
I think the episode was decent, but a few comments.

1. The Daedalus dropped off Woolsey, so couldn't they have beamed Keller out? Maybe put her on the mainland or possibly even beam Ronan in, so he doesn't have to make a suicide run in there, and can do it before the thing reacts.

However, I will conceed that it would kill the story and make for a quick ending once they have the cure. I just felt it a little odd the Daedalus was not involved, since it seems unlikely they would come all that way to drop Woolsey off and then not stay around for a while.



2. Are they trying to destroy Atlantis one piece at a time?


A. We had the Wraith attack in the Siege

B. A massive storm with lots of water damage

C. Retaking the city from the Asurans

D. Going through an Asteroid field, which damaged several areas of the city

E. The Quarantine/ Sunday, where we had to deal with explosions and then Sheppard/ Lorne blowing open all the doors because of the lockdown.

F. The Seed, where Keller is infected and a whole tower is slowly transformed into a Wraith ship, with all the tentacles and such.


We seem to be taking very good care of the city. lol


3. I think Woolsey will do a good job as commander. He knows the rules, how the IOA politicians operate, and can use it to his advantage. He will also have to balance being a by the book type, with bending the rules now and then.

He spent his previous career dressing down the people he now commands. Woolsey always commented on how the SGC or Atlantis made mistakes or did things in a way he didn't like. Now Woolsey has to be the one defending these same people, making for good character and story development. It will also be interesting to see if people like him more once they get to know him, and have to depend on him when the IOA wants to make a scape goat out of them. Like very other character, we could top it off with the occasional personal detail about Woolsey, like what he does in his spare time.



4. What needs to happen in Season 5 and hopefully 6 is for Atlantis to become more offensive. It always seems like we are mostly on defense, reacting to whatever the other people do, rather then being more agressive. The potential enemies such as the Genii did not take su seriously, and doubted our strength. They though we were weak and someone they could boss around. Lastly, Atlantis should make sure they seek victory over the enemy, rather than some sort of setlement or appeasement.

Basically, Atlantis could adopt a Goldwater Foreign Policy, as outlined in the book "Why not Victory" and the article "A Foreign Policy for America".



5. Carson is back and has a possible cure, which is good. I wouldn't mind having Carson around again.

1. Because she would have died or something like that if they detached her from the Wraith tendril things.

2. I know, that is annoying. But at least the damage up until mid season 3 was fixed when the Asurans took Atlantis.

3. Yeah, I can see the potenial now of how Woolsey won't be THAT bad.

4. Agreed.

5. I'm glad he's back as well, I just wished that he would take over as CMO again instead of Keller.

Vala,

valaCB
July 19th, 2008, 09:09 AM
It was just an OK episode , still i enjoy it.
I really want to see Atlantis forever...:P
I love this show and the characters.

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 09:10 AM
1. Because she would have died or something like that if they detached her from the Wraith tendril things.


Was the Daedalus even there still? As I understood they just dropped Woolsey, and ran as fast as they could, fearing the worst. :D

Spidey3121
July 19th, 2008, 09:18 AM
I loved this episode. Of course it had it's flaws + like any episode of Atlantis had many questionable items but over i found this epsiode to be very enjoyable + entertaining. Woolsey was also fantastic!! I was pretty excited for him to join the series + he did great in his 1st Ep as commander of the expedition. Hopefully there are more good things to come from him.

P-51D Mustang
July 19th, 2008, 09:21 AM
I thought it wasent anything to write home about i hated Woosely. I hate how they brought the SG-1 brefing table with him beacuse i thought the Atlantis one was so much more epic.

FireCat
July 19th, 2008, 09:27 AM
This was an average episode, but it followed Doctor Who's episode, "Turn Left" which was stunning, but I enjoyed it for what it was.

Woolsey was a surprise, as I liked him. Finally a leader with some backbone instead of mushy Weir, and Carter who just read Weir's lines. I think the guy will work out, despite my previous reservations about him.

I too am tired of Shep doing crazy stunts to save the day. The puddlejumper crash was way over the top for me, and why didn't the tentacles attack him immediately? If Rodney is so head over heals about Keller, HE should have saved the day, although the idea of anyone being attracted to Keller is a bit squicky to me. I had a secret wish she would die and we could have Carson back for good, but, well. . not yet.

My questions of the day:

1. Who is taking care of Teyla's son while she is working?

2. Is this truly the way hive ships are created, or was this a perverted method using humans, devised by Michael? Writers, care to expand on this?

3. What poor soul had to clean up all those dead tentacles? :)

marielabbott
July 19th, 2008, 09:42 AM
- What's Devil's Snare doing on SGA? Harry Potter reference. :P

I thought the same thing. :D


Folks-it is 30 compressions to 2 breaths. Even if you bag them, even if you have a crash cart-it is 30:2 not 3:1 like they showed on the show.

Thanks--I recently had my CPR recertification class and thought the same thing, though I was unsure if in a crash cart scenario it would be different, since I'm not a medical professional.

This episode fell flat for me. There are a few good scenes, but as a whole, it didn't gel. It probably has something to do with the focus on Keller, who is currently my least favorite character in Atlantis. I especially dislike the hints of pushing the Rodney/Keller relationship. I also didn't care for the many characters praising Carter; this wouldn't bother me as much if they'd made as many mentions about Weir when as far as everyone knew she was dead, but that didn't happen.

Woolsey was ok. He is practical and out of his depth at times. I felt kind of bad for him when he was trying to give advice to Ronon while he was attacking the vines, and you could see Woolsey didn't really know what to do. I hope the Sheppard/Woolsey scene at the end does not in any way resolve the tension between them, because I'd like it to stretch out through at least most of the season.

Carson shined in his scenes. He exudes competence, compassion, and warmth. Probably my favorite scene was simply seeing him in the infirmary bed with Sheppard's team gathered around him. Always nice to see Zelenka (with a little whump even! :D), and also good to see Teyla save him. But does Atlantis have a daycare--where was her newborn during most of this episode? Some nice Sheppard whump as well. It was a darker moment, but I liked when Sheppard pointed his gun at Keller, ready to kill her if necessary. It would've created a lot of angst for many characters if he would've been forced to pull the trigger--for Sheppard; for Ronon who initially failed to deliver the injection; for Woolsey who would've lost a senior staff member during his first week; for Carson who tried his best to save her; and for the rest of the expedition. If TBTB had chosen to bring Carson back full time, I think it would've been a very impactful way to change the ending of this episode, and have Sheppard fire.

valaCB
July 19th, 2008, 09:43 AM
I too am tired of Shep doing crazy stunts to save the day. :)
I LOVE it. This is Shep, that what he is doing the best! :sheppard: ;)

jelgate
July 19th, 2008, 09:45 AM
One thing i'm concerned with though.....This is the second ep in a row that Shep has been whumped.......Why is it that Shep is getting all the best whump lately....Doesn't the others deserve to get their fair share too..Without the Shep whump Peg, Linzi, etc. would go on violent rampage

tombombadil
July 19th, 2008, 09:47 AM
what does whump even mean?

valaCB
July 19th, 2008, 09:51 AM
what does whump even mean?
I want to know too the answer...

Jackie
July 19th, 2008, 09:59 AM
plot was just a bore....*yawn*

Alipeeps
July 19th, 2008, 10:24 AM
I was wondering where Teyla's baby was in her scenes. Does Atlantis have a day care center? Glad to hear Kanaan was still around, even if he wasn't with his child.


I'm guessing probably Teyla would have a couple of her Athosian pals from the mainland come stay with her to help her with the baby?



1 - I agree. Sometimes they need to come up with better "save-the-day" endings. It's becomin a little tiring seeinf Sheppard in the infirmary. :)

Not me. I never get tired of seeing Sheppard in the infirmary! :lol:


2 - It wouldn't surprise me if Teyla's baby is on the mainland with the newly arrived Athosians. Not the hybrids, but the Athosians who weren't altered.

The baby is definitely not on the mainland... we saw her walking around carrying the baby earlier in the ep.


OMG, thank god. I was beginning to think I was the only one who hated Keller.

:lol: Hardly. You can't take a step on GW without tripping over the rampant Keller hate. It would seem she's the new antichrist. :rolleyes:


O...kay? So everything that happened in the first 2/3 was part of a paint by number plot like I thought. Or did something else happen during the first 40 minutes that wasn't formulaic or predictable? Honestly, I don't even know what you're trying to argue about anymore.

Um.. I think her point was that from seeing what the situation was in the last third of the episode, it's fairly simple logic to work out what had happened previously. Certain things MUST have happened (i.e. Carson been thawed out) for them to be in the current situation (e.g. Carson walking around not dead). It doesn't mean what went before was formulaic - unless your suggestion is that the plot developments should be so esoteric and unexpected/unlikely that anyone tuning in later in the show would never be able to guess what had gone before? From a standpoint of knowing the basic subject/premise of the episode and watching the last third, you could probably work out with a fair degree of accuracy what had gone before in just about ANY SGA episode from the entire 4 seasons to date. Hm. Apart from maybe Tabula Rasa. :lol:


Why not make Rodney the one who gave her the injection at last. Rodney has afterall grown since the end of season 3. He is more open about being concerned about other people now.

And he did volunteer... but for all his many skills and charms ;) Rodney is still not exectly the first person you would turn to for fighting/survival/infiltration skills.


Also, there was no explanation of why this "seed" waited till Keller was asleep on the infirmary counter before it made it's presence known, and it had already been on the base for about three weeks (that's how long it took Woolsey to get to Atlantis on Daedulus). Considering the infirmary must be thoroughly cleansed every day, it seems odd that this virus was waiting around on that table for Keller to fall asleep on it. Must be immune to earth cleanliness materials.


As I think has been mentioned - the infection didn't spread to Keller from the table, it spread onto the table from her. Everyone who was on the planet where Michael's compound was were infected with the virus which had been kept in one of the labs in the compound and was released when the building collapsed. They did actually reference in discussion that they don't know why it didn't do anything for a month and what made it become active in Keller first... they also mentioned later that further people, including Lorne, were starting to show symptoms.


Without the Shep whump Peg, Linzi, etc. would go on violent rampage

Nah. We're not violent. Well.... not to anyone other than Sheppard! :lol:


what does whump even mean?

Ummm. Trying to describe what whump is and why we like it is a perennially thorny question. It is also known as hurt/comfort and it's basically enjoying seeing a character endure physical or emotional pain and triumph over it - and be comforted by/worried about by his/her friends. Why we like it? Who knows. Partly maternal instinct? Partly attraction? Definitely a lot to do with character and seeing the character deal with adversity and seeing a glimpse of the real person beneath the mask they present to the world.

In short, there is no easy explanation. But it's something that's been around for a long time and that continues to be an element of many books/movies/TV shows etc (seeing the hero get injured and still save the day. :)). At the end of the day, it seems to be one of those things you either get or you don't. :)

Anyhoo. I liked this ep. It felt like a good team ep where everyone was involved and had something to do - Teyla and Keller and McKay and Carson and Woolsey and Ronon and Sheppard and Zelenka... and we even had references to other people off-screen (Michael and Kanaan and Lorne and Carter) so it really felt like there was some nice continuity there. I actually quite liked Woolsey and thought he brought an interesting dynamic and I liked the team discussions and they way they worked together and visibly cared for each other. Oh and of course the Shep whump was fab! :D

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Anyhoo. I liked this ep. It felt like a good team ep where everyone was involved and had something to do - Teyla and Keller and McKay and Carson and Woolsey and Ronon and Sheppard and Zelenka... and we even had references to other people off-screen (Michael and Kanaan and Lorne and Carter) so it really felt like there was some nice continuity there. I actually quite liked Woolsey and thought he brought an interesting dynamic and I liked the team discussions and they way they worked together and visibly cared for each other. Oh and of course the Shep whump was fab! :D

Wow! Now there's two of us. I don't feel that lonely anymore. ;)

Jumper_One
July 19th, 2008, 10:32 AM
woohoo Carson's back! :D

this was a very entertaining ep imo. Woolsey's introduced, the team has to fight some kind of alien virus and of course Carson leaves the stasis chamber. Woolsey's speech was great, it was the exact opposite of what Sam said in Reunion. I thought the new table was kinda cool, a little more Earth-like. I also liked how they were talking about Sam, that she did a great job and Woolsey replacing her had nothing to do with the events during s4 and S&R. apparently Kanaan's ok but he and the other Athosians are still on the mainland.
Carson was great, like old times. It seems he still needs the injections but hopefully we'll find a permanent solution. I liked the Rodney-Carson interaction, especially when he was trying to open the door Fine but if she's just in there sleeping or naked or something you guys are taking the blame and also later My palms are very sweaty and my mouth is very dry... and Carson answers Ok so nothing out of the ordinary then LOL :P
the alien virus not only spreads but also attacks. Zelenka was great, hopefully we'll see more of him this season (Lorne too of course). Shep had a really cool idea, I didn't know a PJ could withstand such an impact. also nice talk at the end, I guess Woolsey finally knows that following the rules isn't always the right thing to do. I'm looking for ward to more of this in the next eps. Welcome to the Pegasus galaxy!

btw Sam was quarantined too, this means Continuum takes place after The Seed

Wilson3Girl
July 19th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Meh. Kind of a slow-moving episode for my taste, but they can't knock all of 'em out of the ballpark.
I loved the Teyla-Rodney scenes. I've always enjoyed the interaction between these two characters, and I'm glad to see more of it----I hope this pattern continues.
I like how Teyla went to Rodney in isolation and listened to his theories and then talked to Woolsey, Carson and Zelenka about them.
Their scene outside of Keller's door was good too----"Don't blame me if she's in there sleeping or naked or something!" HA!
Teyla rocking/walking her baby around was very sweet----as was finding out that McKay was going to Carson's stasis pod and telling him the latest gossip on Atlantis.
I have to agree with what Ruffles said in an earlier post: where did Teyla and Rodney go at the end? They just sort of disappeared.
I like Keller. I felt sorry for her when they turned out the lights and left her alone while they had to evacuate. It was necessary, but I don't blame her one bit for being frightened.
Lastly, I loved the scene when Woolsey arrived and everyone in the control room stood up to greet him---except Rodney. HA! A side-long glance from Shep, and he finally, albeit reluctantly, stood. Made me laugh. :)


Wilson3Girl

thekillman
July 19th, 2008, 10:41 AM
one thing i terribly hated: shep to the rescue. apart from that: nice :D. some insight on wraith shipbuilding, the thing is sentient, and can attack, the main conduits appear to be made out of tubes filled with blue jello[mckay: " thats where i left it!" ]. but apart from that: man great. totally awesome. and i loved the

"ok but if you do, you have to move fast"

" thats a piece of advice" and goes shooting. ever tried the "open the door" thing, somehow?

valaCB
July 19th, 2008, 11:16 AM
Wow! Now there's two of us. I don't feel that lonely anymore. ;)Three ;)
P.S - I like Keler ;P

Linda06
July 19th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Without the Shep whump Peg, Linzi, etc. would go on violent rampage

:eek: That is a scary thought :S


Well, I don't expect Kanaan and Teyla living happily ever after in a pretty house with a large yard with swings and white fence. I've got a gut feeling that while Woolsey is trying to decide what to do with them, Michael will waltz in with his brand new hive ship, and pick them all up, for a bit of converting.

hmm interesting......Well he can take hybrid boy :D

TBA
July 19th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Boring and predictable... :(

EternalAlteran
July 19th, 2008, 12:09 PM
The only thing interesting was the fact that we now know how the wraith ships are made

EdenSG
July 19th, 2008, 12:16 PM
I thought this was a good episode, I enjoyed it. Not the strongest of episodes but it did have some very interesting story/plotline reveals as well as character reveals.

Not quite as much action and tension as last week’s episode but there was an element of creepiness in how the tentacle thing was growing quickly and spreading through the building. Also, it did involve everyone and gave them something to do and contrbute to the story which I think always give an episode a good feeling.

What I really liked about this episode that is was a story unique to Atlantis. While the “alien entity takes over the body” is an often used concept in sci fi stories, the telling of this story, revealing the fact that the creature was using a human host to grow into a hive ship, was different and very interesting because it gave a unique twist to the story.


The Good and the not so Good:

Tying up loose ends- I thought the exchange between Keller and Teyla at the beginning was perfect. A conversation that seemed natural and flowed yet did impart some important details as to the fact the baby was staying with Teyla and she was loving doing the mommy thing, Kanaan is alive and being successfully treated, he and other Athosians are in a refugee camp and that Keller was “impressed” with Rodney.

More tying up loose ends – the conversation in the conference room before Woolsey got there. I like the little team tribute to Carter and explanation on why she was replaced. I thought it was nicely done. I also liked that they did not forget about Weir and she was mentioned too.

Woolsey - I liked Woolsey in this episode – well liked and hated him. His arrival on Atlantis was quite brusque. I got the sense that he was actually quite uncomfortable at that moment, did not know what to say to the crew so he reverted to the consummate administrator – by the book, lets get down to work, show me your reports. I did like his take charge attitude – to a degree - during the meeting, but he does need to learn people skills. I had to grin when they complained about Woolsey replacing the conference table. Yes I liked the old table but it is soooo typical of when a new manager comes in – they want to change things, I guess to put their own stamp on things. Sometime they change personnel, sometimes they redecorate.

He struggled through out the episode trying to abide by the rules but quickly realizes that the situation is much different when it is actually happening and the rules don’t always work with the reality of what is going on. He really seemed a bit lost when he was demanding answers from Carson that Carson didn’t have yet and trying to give Ronon advice on getting through the tentacles. When they lost touch with Ronon I really got the impression that at that point Woolsey did not know what to do; so that when Sheppard announced he was taking the jumper Woolsey probably felt he couldn’t stop him because he would not be able to offer any viable alternatives.

Keller – I am neutral on Keller, she isn’t a favorite but I don’t hate her. For the most part I thought she was okay in this episode. As mentioned earlier I liked the conversation between her and Teyla. She did figure out how to save Carson – and that fact that she was hesitant to use the treatment I don’t see as weak but rather that of a physician who wanted to be as sure as possible that she wasn’t going to kill Carson instead of saving him. The one scene I didn’t like with her was at the end when she came in to the infirmary to talk to Sheppard. She came off sounding like a little girl, far too meek and timid.

Sheppard – I love the character of Sheppard and for the most part I do love it when the hero risks all to save the day. But this daring rescue, on top of last week’s daring rescue, was a bit much. I am not too sure how he got through the tentacles unchallenged since he had been successfully cured by the treatment. I could consider that maybe he had antibodies or markers left in his blood from the treatment that the creature would recognize, or maybe because he arrived in the jumper (which I am assuming was cloaked) the creature did not sense him at first till he gave Keller the shot or maybe the creature was too stunned by the jumper crashing into it that it didn’t sense Sheppard at all till he injected Keller or maybe he was just lucky – but these are too many maybes without supporting information in the story so this plot point was a bit weak for me.

Teyla- I liked Teyla in this episode. I thought we got to see many different sides of her, the caring mom, the competent leader of the team when looking for the entity, the friend when she was worried about Keller and her talking with Rodney, the loyal Athosian in her following the progress of her people and pushing for their release. I hope we see more of this type of portrayal for Teyla – she was interesting and essential.

While this episode was not as strong as last week’s and it had a few weak spots, all in all I really liked and enjoyed it and I think season 5 is off to a very good start.

padr49904
July 19th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Ok we finally got the antidote for carson, the temporary one, and we saw how ships were made. So we can now essentially get rid of them faster. But most likely this is the last time we will see the antidote they use to cure her. I don't think it was a bad episode, we also saw some more of the city and we saw some of the power stuff.

EdenSG
July 19th, 2008, 12:22 PM
A few other thoughts on Keller...

As I said in my last post, I am neutral on Keller, she isn’t a favorite but I don’t hate her. The scene where she wakes up with the slime on her hand was interesting. The character seemed a bit confused as to where it came from and so was I. When she cleaned it off her hand and didn’t tell anyone I thought it was irresponsible – at the time. I thought the writers did a good job explaining why she didn’t tell anyone and reinforced that fact several times through out the episode. From the moment she awoke with the goo on her hand she was acting a bit strange, almost zombie like as another poster mentioned. Everyone was noticing it. The doctor that came in when she was washing the goo off her hands thought she looked tired and told her to get some rest. Then Rodney noticed it at the meeting the next morning and then Sheppard noticed it after they welcomed Carson back – they both thought told her to get some sleep. Then there was the scene when Teyla told Woolsey and Zalenka about Rodney’s warning about the creature going for the power conduit. They stated that the creature could impair a person’s judgment even before symptoms appeared. This was later confirmed in the scene where Rodney is talking to the infected Keller, he asks her why she didn’t tell anyone about the goo and she says she wanted to but didn’t know why she didn’t.
If you take the goo hand washing scene out of context and look at just that, she was not looking so smart. But if you put that scene into the context of the story, the information that was eventually revealed and the other scenes I mentioned I think the explanation is very apparent. I think the writers emphasized this point quite well.

Detox
July 19th, 2008, 12:27 PM
boring, useless, bad, predictable

Isn't that your remark for every episode of Atlantis?

Skydiver
July 19th, 2008, 12:31 PM
It would do people well to remember that this is a mixed thread. People that like ALL the characters are welcome to post and read here...so, when you post, try to use a little sensitivity and tact when referring to characters. Cruel little nicknames are not really nice to use in these threads.

Refer to your most disliked character in the way you'd like to have your most favored character referred to.

EternalAlteran
July 19th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Yes and we know we can convert hybrids back.

Why don't we make Michael human and turn him in a ship.
:tealc: I'm sending you the greeting of ..... We are aboard the Michael.

DrJenniferDex
July 19th, 2008, 12:50 PM
It would do people well to remember that this is a mixed thread. People that like ALL the characters are welcome to post and read here...so, when you post, try to use a little sensitivity and tact when referring to characters. Cruel little nicknames are not really nice to use in these threads.

Refer to your most disliked character in the way you'd like to have your most favored character referred to.

Yeah, it's getting to the point where some of us Keller fans...okay, mostly me...dislike going into other threads because we're sick of seeing her bashed in every post.

And could someone please tell me when Continuum is set(I apologize if this has already been answered), because I haven't seen it?

Kezia
July 19th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Oh man... I just kept on watching, doggedly holding on to the faint hope that maybe, just maybe the next scene would redeem this episode. Maybe something interesting or even slightly unpredictable would happen around the corner.

And then it ended.

GoSpikey
July 19th, 2008, 01:20 PM
Yes and we know we can convert hybrids back.

Why don't we make Michael human and turn him in a ship.
:tealc: I'm sending you the greeting of ..... We are aboard the Michael.

:lol:

And I'm a Michael fan. *g*

kymeric
July 19th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Teyla with the baby was awesome, rachel is just GLOWING as a mother :D Can baby Luttrell get a scene in the credits? Only 6 months old and already bringing home the bacon XDDDD

Woot to the jumper scene, they always do such an awesome visifects of the city. Someone give them an emmy! Tenticle tower was amazing as was the crashing into it. I swear if i were on atlantis i would just fly around the city between the buildings for hours. Spiderman swinging aroudn atlantis would be fun!

Lol @ 'its not a case of the hives'. So now we know how hives are made. Id just assumed since theyre organic a daddy hive would meet a mommy hive and theyd fall in love, and after courting and marriage they would have a little baby hive. :D:D:D:D:D:D

Woolsey was pretty good, im gonna hafta rewatch it to soak in his scenes some moar. Seems everyone who thot theyed like him did and a few of the ppl who thot theyd hate him were suprised.

Liked the Teyla talking about Mckay bit, felt the friends there and kinda got a sense she was thinking 'you like mckay!' but not saying it. Like a buddy putting in a good word for a friend with the girl he likes.

Like the table! Its less ancienty but theyre really taking posession of atlantis.

Im kinda suprised theres soo many ppl asking whos taking care of teylas kid while shes working? I kinda wanna say 'whos takign care of your kid while YOUR working?' Is this really a plot point? Should we have a daycare center episode? Lawl. Im sure itll get worked in sooner or later and it can just be assumed someones watching junior. Does it hafta be spelled out. At work monday im gonna ask an employee OMG WHOS WATHING UR KIDS and see how they react XD

Linda06
July 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM
Lol @ 'its not a case of the hives'. So now we know how hives are made. Id just assumed since theyre organic a daddy hive would meet a mommy hive and theyd fall in love, and after courting and marriage they would have a little baby hive. :D:D:D:D:D:D

*wipes eyes* Oh man i was laughing so hard at this.....Mummy hive and daddy hive get together and make baby hives :lol: Ok that doesn't sound right :S



Im kinda suprised theres soo many ppl asking whos taking care of teylas kid while shes working? I kinda wanna say 'whos takign care of your kid while YOUR working?' Is this really a plot point? Should we have a daycare center episode? Lawl. Im sure itll get worked in sooner or later and it can just be assumed someones watching junior. Does it hafta be spelled out. At work monday im gonna ask an employee OMG WHOS WATHING UR KIDS and see how they react XD

Go on...I dare ya to ask someone that ;)

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Well what a fabby episode!!! Loved every single iddy biddy minute of it from the initial Keller and Teyla scenes. Yes people I liked Keller in this!! Try not to fall over. ;)

I thoroughly enjoyed Teyla and the babies scenes and walking half way across the city trying to get the baby to sleep. :lol: And what a lovely segway talking about Carson, and Keller trying to find a cure and her sleepless nites. Which then led on very nicely to the revelation that Rodney goes to see Carson (a lot) :lol: in the stasis chamber... ok i'll admit I got a bit choked at that hehe.

And the whole arrival of Woolsey, I think I let the whole world know at GW I wasn't happy with Woolsey coming on board and taking over. I honestly thought the man couldn't lead anyone out of a paper bag, let alone an expedition. So I was waiting to see the iminent arrival of Woolsey and to see how everyone reacted. Loved how they all stodd except Rodney. :lol: Then Woolsey's 'speech' and Shep's 'I feel so inspired!' statement hehehe. That was just classic. Loved it to bits.

Then the bits in meeting room. Dare I say that TPTB are making Rodney and Keller an item? Little hints for a set up there with Shep's comment about Woolsey coming on board wasn't the strangest thing in the AU timeline. I'm on Shep's side. In all fairness though if it stays as it is i'll be fine, if it gets any more lovey dovey than that, I may need to hurl. :lol:

So moving on the whole Keller and the goo, was it my imagination or had it started to affect her very early on when she was washing her hands, in the meeting room etc? And did anyone else think that near the end it sounded like a wraith Queen... my theory of which i'll come onto later. ;)

Then Carson, bless his little cotton socks, I do think they'd do well keeping Becket and Keller together in Atlantis, I really enjoyed it, and then Carson looking out over the city. What great FX throught, absolutely brilliant.

Where was I? Oh yes, I loved Teyla and Radek got some great screen time to and loved their scenes. It's not often TPTB mix up the pairings, but I really felt this was a great team ep where everyone played their part and it all came together. :D

SO now it seems that all of the team are infected! Boy am i glad they mentioned about Sam and her being quarantined, nice pick up PTB. :) And lots and lots of continuity with the retrovirus, Shep's turning into a bug, the Athosians, Kanaan, the data pad from Michael's lab. Loved that continuity. :D

So with the team now infected up steps Shep!!! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I think more chocolates are needed as a thank you. :P Two whumpy eps in a row. Woohooooooo *does her happy dance* :D

I loved that Shep tested it, and the team worry, and Shep asking if it can be as bad as being turned into a bug, and then Carson telling him to relax and his reply!! Loved the one liners, and Becket's it's not 'Hives' when telling Woolsey. Great stuff. All the way through we learned about the Wraith and how the ships are made or at least where it starts and how it forms and takes over. I've been waiting for this for ages. :D

Then we have Ronon and Radek both getting attacked by the lil shop of horrors, did anyone else think those tendrils were getting very close to ummmmm certain parts of the anatomy? :lol:

And then there was more whump, and impalement!! *iz dead, but is glad Sheppard is not* hehehe. One thing about the whump, please for the love of all that is whump will people at least position their hands in the correct spot for CPR, while I adore the whump and comfort, I do think that shirt should have come off, maybe then Carson might have had better luck in placing his hands. ;) Either that or some of his medically influenced braincells froze whilst in status. :P

Then the scene with PJ hehehe loved it, if you're going to do something, then big is the way to go. :lol: And the line, 'This is going to hurt!' :lol:

Now onto my theory. :D It's a long shot, BUT I got the impression that the wraith infection was trying to turn Keller into a Queen wraith. I think it needs femail DNA to reproduce and make their queens, and that's how they're formed. What does anyone else think?

Oh whumpy Shep, let me squeeeeeeeeee hehe. I loved it, I don't care if it was gratuitous or not, I enjoyed it, and am like Oliver Twist, "Please sir, can I have some more" :D

As for the ending? Well I was determined not to like Woolsey, only because I felt his leadership was pants, but you know what? I really liked that on his first few days on the job that you can't always go by the rule book, and I actually like his businesslike leadership style. Sure it's not relaxed and it is very managerial. Dot the 'i's' and cross the 't's' and he feels that decisions (ie that Keller should have made in regards to the cure for Carson) are black and white and that there is no in between. It's different, but you know I kinda like it, because it's nothing like that, so i'm hoping some butting of heads along the way. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PTB don't make it an easy transition... I know it's too late, but I love friction, and while i'm begging can we have Atlantis cut off from Earth again, maybe get rid of the ZPM while we're at it, so no direct dial's to earth.

But I think i'm going to like Woolsey, and I enjoyed Keller in this to.... maybe there's hope for me. :D

Great team ep, fab story, loved the techy bits and the FX and the score. Enjoyed the character moments and adored the whump and infirmary scenes. I'd heard it was a bit slow to start with and with lots of exposition, but I never once found it slow and really loved the exposition about the Wraith and how they're created!! Great job.

ladyjanus
July 19th, 2008, 02:23 PM
So, was it just me, or was anyone else just the teensy-est bit disturbed by the visual of a flying craft coming in low, banking and spearing into the side of a tall building?

(she shivers and rubs the gooseflesh on her arms)

jelgate
July 19th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Peg and her novel:P

Well what a fabby episode!!! Loved every single iddy biddy minute of it from the initial Keller and Teyla scenes. Yes people I liked Keller in this!! Try not to fall over. ;)

*falls over* At least I'm not alone in liking Keller


And the whole arrival of Woolsey, I think I let the whole world know at GW I wasn't happy with Woolsey coming on board and taking over. I honestly thought the man couldn't lead anyone out of a paper bag, let alone an expedition. So I was waiting to see the iminent arrival of Woolsey and to see how everyone reacted. Loved how they all stodd except Rodney. :lol: Then Woolsey's 'speech' and Shep's 'I feel so inspired!' statement hehehe. That was just classic. Loved it to bits.
Really? That scene seemed a little forced to me.


Then the bits in meeting room. Dare I say that TPTB are making Rodney and Keller an item? Little hints for a set up there with Shep's comment about Woolsey coming on board wasn't the strangest thing in the AU timeline. I'm on Shep's side. In all fairness though if it stays as it is i'll be fine, if it gets any more lovey dovey than that, I may need to hurl. :lol:

I miss the old table:(


Where was I?


I believe this is the general discussion thread. All that whumping has made you lose your sense of direction.:P

I loved Teyla and Radek got some great screen time to and loved their scenes. It's not often TPTB mix up the pairings, but I really felt this was a great team ep where everyone played their part and it all came together. :D
I agree with this. Their might be hope for you yet



So with the team now infected up steps Shep!!! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I think more chocolates are needed as a thank you. :P Two whumpy eps in a row. Woohooooooo *does her happy dance* :D


Forget what I said. Your doomed


I loved that Shep tested it, and the team worry, and Shep asking if it can be as bad as being turned into a bug, and then Carson telling him to relax and his reply!! Loved the one liners, and Becket's it's not 'Hives' when telling Woolsey. Great stuff. All the way through we learned about the Wraith and how the ships are made or at least where it starts and how it forms and takes over. I've been waiting for this for ages. :D

To me it felt like Spoils of War all over again. It that episode we learned quite a bit about the Wraith themselves. In this episode we learned quite a bit about the Hive ships

Then we have Ronon and Radek both getting attacked by the lil shop of horrors, did anyone else think those tendrils were getting very close to ummmmm certain parts of the anatomy? :lol:

Not until you mentioned it just now.
*mind enters gutter

And then there was more whump, and impalement!! *iz dead, but is glad Sheppard is not* hehehe. One thing about the whump, please for the love of all that is whump will people at least position their hands in the correct spot for CPR, while I adore the whump and comfort, I do think that shirt should have come off, maybe then Carson might have had better luck in placing his hands. ;) Either that or some of his medically influenced braincells froze whilst in status. :P

Didn't Joe Flanigan refuse to take his shrit off in Doppleganger? I am willing to bet that is the same case in this episode. Any CPR trained person will tell you that the clothing in front of the heart needs to be removed.

lNow onto my theory. :D It's a long shot, BUT I got the impression that the wraith infection was trying to turn Keller into a Queen wraith. I think it needs femail DNA to reproduce and make their queens, and that's how they're formed. What does anyone else think?

Interesting idea but I didn't get the same impression. I think it just needs a human subject to help it grow and consume. If it needs a female, then wouldn't the same thing happen on Earth to Carter.


But I think i'm going to like Woolsey, and I enjoyed Keller in this to.... maybe there's hope for me. :D

Doubtful

pjt
July 19th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Yes people I liked Keller in this!! Try not to fall over.

Yes, and our numbers are growing by the hour, we will not be repressed anymore, our voice is to be heard from now on... Er... Got carried away a bit, I think... :D
Well, it's nice to hear that hating Keller is not compulsory here on GateWorld. ;)

naamiaiset
July 19th, 2008, 02:47 PM
my verdict: keller doesn't interest me at all (I'm not anti-keller, I've tried liking her :S) and the suspenseful moments they were attempting to create fell flat. the super-sheppard to the rescue solution was predictable also. the wraith insight, carson and surprisingly, woolsey, were highlights to me, but overall, I think this episode is mediocre at best.

jelgate
July 19th, 2008, 02:56 PM
Yes, and our numbers are growing by the hour, we will not be repressed anymore, our voice is to be heard from now on... Er... Got carried away a bit, I think... :D

Well, it's nice to hear that hating Keller is not compulsory here on GateWorld. ;)Never be silent. We must show our resolve to teach the forum the awesomeness that is Keller.

^Thats how to get carried away. But I ennjoyed Keller in this episode but then again I never cared for Beckett.

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 03:00 PM
So, was it just me, or was anyone else just the teensy-est bit disturbed by the visual of a flying craft coming in low, banking and spearing into the side of a tall building?

(she shivers and rubs the gooseflesh on her arms)

I didn't make the correlation really until you mentioned it. :o I don't think it was purposely done to imitate that to be honest.


Peg and her novel:P

*falls over* At least I'm not alone in liking Keller

Well, she's growing on me. ;) Slowly. I need to be introduced slowly to new things, I adapt better that way. :D



Really? That scene seemed a little forced to me.I think that was the point of it all, it was meant to feel forced. They liked Sam, got on well with her. Their track record with Woolsey wasn't exactly the greatest. So I was actually expecting more than an uncomfortable scene there. That's why I loved Sheppard's line of being inspried, because Woolsey is just not a people person, he doesn't do niceties, he's there to do a job. It is just black and white to him, straight down to business. I was kind of expecting more... what's the word? Panic? A bit of resistance, maybe? It went quite smoothley, maybe this is the honeymoon period. I don't think there was anything there really for the team to get their teeth stuck into, in disagreeing with Woolsey. I hope we get some of that to be honest, because (speaking from experience) your staff don't always agree with you. :lol: Especially when it's a brand new manager, so i'm hoping. :D


I miss the old table:(I think they got rid of that because it wasn't very workable with the camera angles and stuff and was a pain in the butt to shoot in. I quite like it actually, they all seem a lot closer together. :)
I believe this is the general discussion thread. All that whumping has made you lose your sense of direction.:P


I agree with this. Their might be hope for you yetOf course you agree with me, jelly, it's because i'm always right. ;)


Forget what I said. Your doomedDon't make me beat you with my whip. ;) Talking of bondage. ;) Loved the restraints. ;)


To me it felt like Spoils of War all over again. It that episode we learned quite a bit about the Wraith themselves. In this episode we learned quite a bit about the Hive ships
I loved SoW for that reason. I think now that we're into season 5 we should know this sort of stuff, and i'm glad it's being explored.


Not until you mentioned it just now.
*mind enters gutter
Glad to be of service. ;)


Didn't Joe Flanigan refuse to take his shrit off in Doppleganger? I am willing to bet that is the same case in this episode. Any CPR trained person will tell you that the clothing in front of the heart needs to be removed.Well, RCC did a guest blog and said JF didn't want to take his shirt off because it would cause an overload of squee and that he was worried for our health... and probably sanity. ;) But we got peekage. :D :D :D

I mean, CPR can be done with clothing on, it's not a case that it gets ripped off, BUT if they were going to do the serum test, he should have been in scrubs/gown especially if there's a likelihood of cardiac arrest, and then it should have been undone to make way for the cpr. I just don't get why people can't get the positioning of the hands right when doing chest compressions, and Shep was too high on the bed the person needs to be lower so that you can get the power to do the compressions.... i'm going off on one again aren't I? :o



Interesting idea but I didn't get the same impression. I think it just needs a human subject to help it grow and consume. If it needs a female, then wouldn't the same thing happen on Earth to Carter.

DoubtfulThe only reason I thought of that is because if you listen to Keller's voice.... when she's been taken over, it reminded me of Andee's voice (The Wraith Queen), and to breed the soldiers they need the Queen as shown in SoW and if you look at how the Queen was in the chair in that eppy, it's very similar to what happened with Keller. So i'm still thinking that they need a female host, and then it starts with the goo, the goo incorporates female DNA and then it spreads from there and they then turn into a queen. :D

Alipeeps
July 19th, 2008, 03:44 PM
I just don't get why people can't get the positioning of the hands right when doing chest compressions, and Shep was too high on the bed the person needs to be lower so that you can get the power to do the compressions.... i'm going off on one again aren't I? :o


Because to do CPR properly would be quite painful for the recipient - after all, they do say if you're doing it right you'll probably break a rib or two in the process. Even from my limited understanding, I'm aware that CPR needs to be done straight-armed from above, not pushing ineffectually at the chest with bent arms from the side. They did it that way in Doppelganger and they did it again now and I admit it did pull me out of the story a little because it was just SO patently incorrect. They'd be better over using creative camera angles/editing than showing it in full so poorly done. :S

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 04:04 PM
Because to do CPR properly would be quite painful for the recipient - after all, they do say if you're doing it right you'll probably break a rib or two in the process. Even from my limited understanding, I'm aware that CPR needs to be done straight-armed from above, not pushing ineffectually at the chest with bent arms from the side. They did it that way in Doppelganger and they did it again now and I admit it did pull me out of the story a little because it was just SO patently incorrect. They'd be better over using creative camera angles/editing than showing it in full so poorly done. :S

Oh I know it can break a few ribs, but i'm not saying you actually have to do the chest compression, poor Joe, real whump = not good. BUT you can simulate fake CPR on a living person, or at least get the positioning right on chest, it shouldn't be on the top half of the sternum (http://www.shands.org/health/graphics/images/en/19658.jpg):lol: Sorry this is my bug bear. Don't get me wrong, I loved the whump and am very grateful for the whump, but you have to position your hands properly, and tilt the head, and the patient should be a few inches lower than the person delivering the CPR.... I can't believe i'm actually going to say this, but even if they bend their arms as they deliver the chest compressions I could live with it..... I lie it would still bug my brain. :lol:

GateofDOOM
July 19th, 2008, 04:26 PM
The only reason I thought of that is because if you listen to Keller's voice.... when she's been taken over, it reminded me of Andee's voice (The Wraith Queen), and to breed the soldiers they need the Queen as shown in SoW and if you look at how the Queen was in the chair in that eppy, it's very similar to what happened with Keller. So i'm still thinking that they need a female host, and then it starts with the goo, the goo incorporates female DNA and then it spreads from there and they then turn into a queen. :D

Wasn't there a line about how Lorne was getting the tentacles or something?

Alipeeps
July 19th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Oh I know it can break a few ribs, but i'm not saying you actually have to do the chest compression, poor Joe, real whump = not good. BUT you can simulate fake CPR on a living person, or at least get the positioning right on chest, it shouldn't be on the top half of the sternum (http://www.shands.org/health/graphics/images/en/19658.jpg):lol: Sorry this is my bug bear. Don't get me wrong, I loved the whump and am very grateful for the whump, but you have to position your hands properly, and tilt the head, and the patient should be a few inches lower than the person delivering the CPR.... I can't believe i'm actually going to say this, but even if they bend their arms as they deliver the chest compressions I could live with it..... I lie it would still bug my brain. :lol:

Oh I know and that's what I was trying to say - that there are better ways to simulate CPR than what they've done here! Obviously they can't do it for real and wouldn't want to but they don't even seem to try to make it look even vaguely real! And it does bug me too. I can't help it, the blatant incorrectness of it pulls me out of the story. :S


Wasn't there a line about how Lorne was getting the tentacles or something?

Yes there was - Rodney asked Carson if it was true that Lorne and some of the others were starting to exhibit symptoms and Carson said yes, it was true. He didn't specify *what* symptoms they'd started with but nonetheless it goes to show the virus affects both men and women.

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 05:12 PM
Wasn't there a line about how Lorne was getting the tentacles or something?

Yep, as Ali said below, he was showing symptoms, but nothing specific, but i'm still thinking that once it has its initial host and I do think initially it's got to be a female, then from that point, maybe Keller is able to manipulate the DNA of those that is infected and is able to control the onset of the stage they're going through. For example if Keller continued being queenyish, would that then have resulted in Lorne, Ronon and Rodney becoming more Wraithish? Keller showed she had control of the noodles of doom early on, and was able to manipulate them as she started changing, so maybe that's one of the abilities of controlling the Wraith? By getting them to do her bidding either through manipulation of their DNA, or something else. I don't know why I say that, probably the same reason I knew about the cocoons in the ep 4 months ago.... my spideysense tells me so, and I just go with it. :P



Oh I know and that's what I was trying to say - that there are better ways to simulate CPR than what they've done here! Obviously they can't do it for real and wouldn't want to but they don't even seem to try to make it look even vaguely real! And it does bug me too. I can't help it, the blatant incorrectness of it pulls me out of the story. :S

Yes there was - Rodney asked Carson if it was true that Lorne and some of the others were starting to exhibit symptoms and Carson said yes, it was true. He didn't specify *what* symptoms they'd started with but nonetheless it goes to show the virus affects both men and women.

For me it doesn't detract from the story it's just bugs my brain. :lol: I know some of them are first aid trained, and i'm assuming they have medical staff on standby, I just don't get it, even just a teensy tiny bit....

*slaps self* sorry, i'm being too tangenty about this. Give me a slap and i'll be fine, I won't mention it again. :lol:

SGalisa
July 19th, 2008, 05:21 PM
So, was it just me, or was anyone else just the teensy-est bit disturbed by the visual of a flying craft coming in low, banking and spearing into the side of a tall building?

(she shivers and rubs the gooseflesh on her arms)

no. What Shep did with the jumper was a *rescue* mission, not a destroy hundreds of people in the building mission and just for some "religious" and political cleansing of it.

I live near the World Trade Center (NYC, NY, USA) region. What the terrorists in real life did there, and in DC, was totally uncalled for and unthinkable. There was no reason other than malicious mischief, vandalism and outright murder of thousands of workers, not to mention sheer displacement of others who lived to see it all, watch their friends and coworkers get outright murdered, and had to find life and work elsewhere. My aunt worked in that WTC building (fortunately, she was miles and miles away in a retirement community when the WTC was savagely hit, but her coworkers were brutally murdered).
..and I'm guessing that's what this SGA incident with Sheppard crashing the jumper is referring to..?

There's a big difference in what Shep did, and what the 9-11-2001 situation was about.
The isolation chamber building, that Jennifer Keller was in, was going to end up being demolished anyway -- after the creature took it over in spades. As far as viewers knew, Jennifer was the only person inside that building at the time, too. It was already completely contaminated and wasted inside as well outside, and thus already marked for the demolition crews, whether or not if anyone (meaning Shep, Ronon, or Keller) survived.

The question should be, how are they going to get rid of what's left of the creature entity without having it grow and spread elsewhere in Atlantis or the water, too. And the entity that infected Keller, and the others was a dangerous microbe with one purpose in mind, to ultimately consume its host and everything else around it, destroying everything and anything in its path, if necessary. It did say that Jennifer was no longer speaking, but the creature speaking instead. And it was waiting for a single command to go forth and become "complete" .. hmmm .. if it was a hive ship entitiy -- to travel the universe for more destruction perhaps.. which to itself, only sees as giving life, not destroying it. Humans vs. a hive ship.. which Atlantis would have ended up becoming, if I understood the storyline properly. :eek:


just for the record, I was sort of shocked that Shep just rammed the jumper right into there, but at the same time, saw what he saw as the only urgent way to get to (RESCUE) her, and fast. Sheppard's mysterious past had him on missions that probably dealt with similar circumstances in *enemy* territory. The creature consuming the building was *enemy* territory. Ronon's life was in danger, too (he was pinned to a wall and being strangled), and Shep was flying on the clock for both Ronon and Keller. I think Shep also ended up destroying the jumper's electrical systems, because something in the control unit was smoking, but the building itself didn't collapse from the tiny hole he dented into it. It also didn't explode into a fireball either.


What I didn't understand at the very end, was whether the creature stabbed Shep or just crushed his ribs. He didn't keel over when he should have, and it looked like the creature was holding Shep in place.

Killdeer
July 19th, 2008, 05:25 PM
^^ I don't think she was comparing what Shep did to 9/11 - just mentioning the visual impact. I personally didn't see it until she mentioned it, but I could see how someone might still be affected by that particular visual.

SGalisa
July 19th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Also-- for this particular episode--
not sure if anyone has mentioned this already, but I thought there was a bit of external programming double speak going on about Sam Carter's withdrawal from Atlantis when Shep said that she's
"a victim of her own success." :p

hmmm.. a *Santuary* series jibe..?? ;)
LOL, if so.


and the comment from Woolsey in the end about "the rules are there for a reason" and not being sure if he could trust his judgment for fulfilling the job (formerly filled in by Sam and Dr. Weir).. sometimes I think some of those storyline comments are deliberately placed there to offset the voice of those individual viewers who might end up eventually complaining, if they haven't started already.. (especially in this Tv series/franchise). *sigh*

GateofDOOM
July 19th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Yep, as Ali said below, he was showing symptoms, but nothing specific, but i'm still thinking that once it has its initial host and I do think initially it's got to be a female, then from that point, maybe Keller is able to manipulate the DNA of those that is infected and is able to control the onset of the stage they're going through. For example if Keller continued being queenyish, would that then have resulted in Lorne, Ronon and Rodney becoming more Wraithish? Keller showed she had control of the noodles of doom early on, and was able to manipulate them as she started changing, so maybe that's one of the abilities of controlling the Wraith? By getting them to do her bidding either through manipulation of their DNA, or something else. I don't know why I say that, probably the same reason I knew about the cocoons in the ep 4 months ago.... my spideysense tells me so, and I just go with it. :P



Ooooh spideysense!

Maybe the others would have just incorporated themselves into the ship without developing another consciousness. They would have just been bridging points to make a reallllly big hive ship?

...I have no idea.

I think's it a very cool idea about Hives and Wraith Queens though. I hope it's true. *crosses fingers*

And don't you mean "noodles of DOOM"? :P

Iyakamae
July 19th, 2008, 05:33 PM
I wasn't completely impressed with this episode. Though it did bring up interesting information. If not a little disturbing.

Although it was common knowledge that the spacecrafts were organically grown. To actually see it be organically grown was just all together something else. A little disturbing may I say.

I wonder if they are going to go back to the whole thing with Kanaan. I would like to see them expand on that a little more. I love the way that SGA has said: we've given them the retro virus and now they seem to be all better. Teyla is considering them letting them go. I'm glad Woolsey pulled the proverbial plug on that (another reason for me to not like her). Oh and as a woman who has had babies. I know that when you have them surgically they give you a minimum of 6 weeks before they can clear you. The other way I don't know. Not that I imagined that they would have had her holed up. But I would of at least expected a little resistance from Woolsey at the least about her being so ready to get into the heart of the action.

Not too shabby for a second episode of the new season, though admittedly not my cup of tea. I can't stand this feeling the new character out thing, drives me nuts. Lets get to the nitty gritty already. I don't care about rules. Not many of the SGA crew do. Who cares what the IOA wants and more important whats the right and wrong way to do things. lol.

pittsburghgirl
July 19th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Because to do CPR properly would be quite painful for the recipient - after all, they do say if you're doing it right you'll probably break a rib or two in the process. Even from my limited understanding, I'm aware that CPR needs to be done straight-armed from above, not pushing ineffectually at the chest with bent arms from the side. They did it that way in Doppelganger and they did it again now and I admit it did pull me out of the story a little because it was just SO patently incorrect. They'd be better over using creative camera angles/editing than showing it in full so poorly done. :S
nobody is expecting them to actually do the chest compressions-they don't even really have to show that part-just get the counting right for heaven's sake.

even just showing the proper positioning would be nice.

but compressions have never, ever been 3 compressions to 1 breath-never.

you can suspend belief on some things for a show-but when you are showing a medical professional doing something that a layperson can do-at least-do it right.

Rweethareyet
July 19th, 2008, 05:59 PM
I'm having a problem with Keller and the silly smile she always wears. As a Firefly fan I half expect to hear her say "shiny" as part of her bedside manner.
Also, in my opinion you can never have too much Zelenka!

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Also-- for this particular episode--
not sure if anyone has mentioned this already, but I thought there was a bit of external programming double speak going on about Sam Carter's withdrawal from Atlantis when Shep said that she's
"a victim of her own success." :p

hmmm.. a *Santuary* series jibe..?? ;)
LOL, if so.


and the comment from Woolsey in the end about "the rules are there for a reason" and not being sure if he could trust his judgment for fulfilling the job (formerly filled in by Sam and Dr. Weir).. sometimes I think some of those storyline comments are deliberately placed there to offset the voice of those individual viewers who might end up eventually complaining, if they haven't started already.. (especially in this Tv series/franchise). *sigh*

:lol: I thought the same about the Sam line. :lol:

As for your second point, I don't think the lines were there to offset, personally speaking when you go into a new job, especially management and your predecessor has been well respected, it's very hard to fill that person's shoes. So maybe subconsciously he doesn't feel he's worthy of the position, and he's got to prove it to himself that he can do the job, but at the moment he can't relax into it, because he has to earn everyone's respect? Just a thought. :lol: Shouldn't be having too many of them this time of nite, it's not good for me. ;)


Ooooh spideysense!

Maybe the others would have just incorporated themselves into the ship without developing another consciousness. They would have just been bridging points to make a reallllly big hive ship?

...I have no idea.

I think's it a very cool idea about Hives and Wraith Queens though. I hope it's true. *crosses fingers*

And don't you mean "noodles of DOOM"? :P

oooh yes, now that's an interesting theory, Atlantis as a hive ship, hehe, I wonder how the weapons are created if it's based mostly on organic material and a bi-polymor compound... where do the weapons come into play, and how are they made, or is that just man made do you think? Or Wraith made. :lol:

Sorry the spideysense does get a bit tangety at times. :P Well, to be honest, I was really surprised that Sky made an appearance on SGA, I wonder how much she charged to loan out her Noodles of Doom to the set? ;)


nobody is expecting them to actually do the chest compressions-they don't even really have to show that part-just get the counting right for heaven's sake.

even just showing the proper positioning would be nice.

but compressions have never, ever been 3 compressions to 1 breath-never.

you can suspend belief on some things for a show-but when you are showing a medical professional doing something that a layperson can do-at least-do it right.

I didn't want to talk about that as i'd go off again, initially it was 1-5 (one breath to 5 compressions) then it changed to 2 -15 and now I believe they've settled on 2 to 30? I think that was the most recent change to CPR wasn't it? But 1-3, not heard of that one before. :lol: Nope not going to get worked up over it, i'm being very good. :P

Skydiver
July 19th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Because to do CPR properly would be quite painful for the recipient - after all, they do say if you're doing it right you'll probably break a rib or two in the process. Even from my limited understanding, I'm aware that CPR needs to be done straight-armed from above, not pushing ineffectually at the chest with bent arms from the side. They did it that way in Doppelganger and they did it again now and I admit it did pull me out of the story a little because it was just SO patently incorrect. They'd be better over using creative camera angles/editing than showing it in full so poorly done. :S
doing cpr 'right' on an actor is a quick way to kill the actor.

the compressions will mess with a person's real heartbeat and harm them...thus they fake it. sometimes better, sometimes worse :)

Pegasus_SGA
July 19th, 2008, 06:30 PM
doing cpr 'right' on an actor is a quick way to kill the actor.

the compressions will mess with a person's real heartbeat and harm them...thus they fake it. sometimes better, sometimes worse :)
I prefer better. ;):P :D I've only had to do it once in real life, and several times on dummies, so I know it can hurt real people, but at least the positioning should be right and the count of breaths to compressions. Didn't I say I was going to shut up about this? I'm going to bed. :lol:

pittsburghgirl
July 19th, 2008, 06:33 PM
doing cpr 'right' on an actor is a quick way to kill the actor.

the compressions will mess with a person's real heartbeat and harm them...thus they fake it. sometimes better, sometimes worse :)
at least get the numbers right

Jackie
July 19th, 2008, 07:52 PM
nobody is expecting them to actually do the chest compressions-they don't even really have to show that part-just get the counting right for heaven's sake.

even just showing the proper positioning would be nice.

but compressions have never, ever been 3 compressions to 1 breath-never.

you can suspend belief on some things for a show-but when you are showing a medical professional doing something that a layperson can do-at least-do it right.

New Red Cross guidelines are for PROFESSIONAL level cpr...3 to 1. They were doing it correctly.

Also the red cross has done a sweeping change across the board...but mainly at the professional level.



doing cpr 'right' on an actor is a quick way to kill the actor.

the compressions will mess with a person's real heartbeat and harm them...thus they fake it. sometimes better, sometimes worse :)

If not kill them then possibly throw them into an odd heart beat and break their ribs. (I can tell you from experience, the ribs do indeed crack.):o

Enzo Aquarius
July 19th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Overall, I thought it was a good episode. The character interaction was excellent, especially as the Atlantis crew adapt to Woolsey. Even the background characters, when Woolsey arrived, seemed disappointed (notably the one whom he asked to have his belongings delivered).

I didn't find this episode to be cliche (apart from Sheppard saving the day :P ) and couldn't think ahead of a solution. I am curious, however, why the tendrils, when shot at by Teyla and chopped/destroyed by Ronon didn't have any ill-effects on Keller. Didn't Beckett say that they are related to her bodily functions? Also, another question regarding Keller, what was that medication she took, and could that have been the issue that fully jump-started her transformation?

The CGI was, just like last episode, amazing. Though there wasn't a lot, the exterior shots of Atlantis were spot on excellent. The shot of Atlantis powering down (not all at once, but by section) was good, and especially the shot of the Jumper leaving the bay (with the door opening as well!). I also liked the work with the tendrils and the slow consumption of the isolation ward and surrounding areas. The question it brings up though, is what I call the 'Post-Star Trek: First Contact problem'. A lot of the area around the isolation ward, heck, most of the tower, is enveloped in tendrils. Since the tendrils were consuming material, how are they going to fix the tower?

Overall, I enjoyed this episode. The team is starting to get used to another new command, Woolsey is getting used to his new home, Sheppard is recovering from yet another injury (I thought he was whacked in the crotch at first before rewatching the scene) and work goes on. I give the episode a B+ rating.

CRAZY4DH
July 19th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I liked the ep alot. You could see no one was happy to see Woolsey arrive and Woolsey is aware of that fact. Being military Sheppard knows that you have to accept the change of command with fairly good grace. I loved how McKay didn't want to stand up until Shep glared at him.

I like Keller. Everyone says she's wimpy and shouldn't be in charge. HELLO! She said it herself in the first ep where she was in charge. She asked Weir to get someone better at commanding to take her place. Weir refused.

Let's not forget Carson's whining about having to just go through the Gate at first. Oh and the memorable scene in Hot Zone where the guy dies of brain anurism and Carson gives him CPR until Rodney yells at him to stop.

I like Carson. I like Keller. My point is that the writer's write them both as stupid at times.

I liked how McKay went in to talk to Keller when she woke up and to tell her everything was going to be alright. Not sure why they chose him unless its to further the relationship slowly growing between them. I liked it though.

I was unsatisfied at the end. I agree with other posters that it felt rushed. Sheppard convulsed for quite awhile. At least that was the impression I got. Keller's was over in seconds.

Overall though a good episode to introduce Woolsey to the Pegasus Galaxy.

Reiko
July 19th, 2008, 09:14 PM
» Over all, this episode sucks. Very, very hard.

» Other than that: Carson Beckett is still my best friend. Elizabeth Weir is ALWAYS there in spirit and memory, no matter what. Teyla and Radek were awesome.

» I'm quite disappointed they just didn't grab the roundup; with Keller and the seed, you could kill two weeds at once ;)

PG15
July 19th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

Shep almost getting intubated. I actually paused the video and laughed my ass off because I know Linzi and the rest of the Shep Whumpers must've screamed at that point. :D But oooooooh, so close. Damn Shep for waking up early, right? ;)

The Phage. AND the references begin! For those who don't know, The Phage was the name of a Season 1 Star Trek Voyager episode featuring a disease of the same name. Again, I paused the video and had a good laugh. Can't wait for more of these! :D

That's all I remember for now. Let's move on to my usual review.

This episode was solid. It didn't blow me away or anything, but there were plenty of excellent little character moments and past references, as well as those few moments of cool CGI. It was great to see Beckett back, and Robert Picardo just proves once again how AWESOME he is at everything. The main plot was your typical alien biological attack kind of plot, and so it wasn't too interesting, though it did offer up some cool moments.

Yeah, I couldn't really get the images of hentai tenticle sex out of my head either. It was just so...yeah. I need to get off of the Internet.

Ok, moving on. I LOVED the little character moments in this episode. It's stuff like this that just starts developing at this point in the show, where the characters have been established, and so they can slowly exploit their idiosyncrasies. The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two. Wonderful stuff. Then, Woosley arrived to underwhelming fanfare. I loved the "aw, do I have to?" look McKay gave there, and the horrible speech Woolsey gave (I think "well then" was really the speech; the rest was his first orders). It was perfect for his character and TPTB nailed him perfectly. The conference room scene had more small moments. I loved how TPTB tied up some of the loose ends from the previous episode, like why Carter was carted off (totally saw that reason coming; it's only logical); as well as touching on the similarily between this timeline and the alternate with regards to Woolsey; it was hilarious how Shep hinted at the McKay/Keller thing but decided to hold it back for his pleasure.

Speaking of which, it was pretty clear that TPTB have started laying the groundwork for that relationship here. Luckily, it didn't feel like it suddenly happened, since it hasn't been that long since Trio, in-show wise, where feelings MAY have began (I know I denied it then, but given recent evidence...I guess you never know). So far, I like what I'm seeing; small awkward moments here and there, and McKay actually caring a lot for her well-being. Lovely. Can't wait to see where they go with this.

I loved how the disease was connected back to Michael's imploded compound. I always love continuity carry-overs instead of just randomly making up a new plot device for the episode.

Man, I gotta keep reminding myself that I'm talking to you guys, the fans, instead of JM, as I've been writing episode reviews in his blog comments for months now; I keep saying "you guys" instead of "TPTB" or "they". Heh.

There were some great character moments in the rest of the episode as well. I loved the reference back to Conversion with Shep's "been there, done that" (I knew he was going to say that, actually); how Beckett, Ronon, and McKay all volunteered for the mission; how Beckett goes "oh, it's ordinary then" (or something similar) after McKay lists his symptoms; how Radek was all giggly-geeky after realizing that he was watching a Hive ship being built right before his eyes; etc. etc. Great stuff.

Moving on. Robert Picardo was awesome in this episode, as I predicted. The guy can't do "bad acting"; he just can't; it's not in his genes. Right from the start we have him acting all Woolsey-like; getting to the point, seeing things as black-and-white, etc. That initial meeting seemed to have proven to everyone there that their worse fears have been realized: Woosley really is that bad, even if he was given a whole new position. I loved the looks on everyone's faces by the end; it seemed like a mutiny is afoot. :D But Woolsey just keeps on going, 1 issue at a time, shooting down every suggestion with his bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. I loved it. He seemed to have everything under control...and then boom; Keller gets Hived. I loved how Shep kept almost daring him to step out of line, to break the rules. But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all. It was like his under-developed sense of "do the right thing" was stopping him from sending Beckett home, or stopping Ronon from leaving quarantine. Hopefully that sense will develop more as time passes. He was pretty emotionless the whole way through, and I think that was the point. This is the man he is. The man he was. An impersonal bureaucrat. We saw just how impersonal this concept can be when he advocated killing Keller with drones. I mean, this is big. For the leader of the Expedition to openly consider this, and tell everyone else about it. Usually it's someone else, like Shep who comes up with these unethical plans, and here we saw that he has indeed considered this. That was a really telling moment, for both characters; especially since they come from such different backgrounds. It was a disturbing scene.

Oh yes, I am going to love Woolsey. :D

Seeing Keller with her face covered in tendrils was disturbing. I'm squeamish of facial distortions, so stuff like that really gets me. Luckily, it wasn't too bad, but just strange enough to creep me out. Awesome.

Loved seeing a new part of Atlantis. Also loved how assertive and authoritative Teyla was in this episode. Being a mommy helps in that regard, I guess. ;) I've been watching Season 1 and...was it Peg? I think so...anyway, she said that Teyla was stronger in Season 1, and now I see that she's correct. What's more, the Teyla here reminded me a lot of the Teyla of old, the strong leader. I liked that a lot.

Poor Keller. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for her. I mean, think about it. Once the lights went out, she was basically a head with her mind slowly being consumed. She couldn't feel the rest of her body, her mind was getting taken over, and everything was dark. Her reality must've been extremely confusing. Did she have hallucinations while her sense of sight was being deprived of stimulus? I'd be driven to madness if I were in her position. Just...a horrible experience. Besides that, I loved how she worked tirelessly to cure Beckett, as she had promised. Screw Keller-hate (note I didn't say haters). All I know is, I like her character a lot, and her being on screen is bringing me enjoyment. Hooray for me. :D

Beckett! It was jarring at first seeing him so unfazed when everyone gathered around him like that, but then I had to remember that, to him, little-to-no time has passed since Kindred Part 2. His scene at the balcony was just beautiful, and his efforts throughout the episode was great to watch. Beckett's back baby! Besides that, I also loved his last scenes. The exchange "good luck, Carson" "Thanks, John" was just so heartwarming. A small piece of dialogue excellently delivered by two amazing actors.

That voice Keller had when her mind was taken over was so badass! The way Jewel Staite delivered it, plus the computer effects, made it really menacing and mechanical. Wonderfully done.

Loved finding out how a hive ship could be built; this can spawn many more stories, I feel.

Finally, I gotta give props to Mark Savela for those brief but exquisit CGI scenes. I loved seeing new shots of the city, and these are absolutely fantastic. I think it has to do with the lighting and the subtle blurring due to distance; it made everything seem so realistic. I think I've taken photos that were less realistic. Haha.

So overall, a solid episode, though not particularly spectacular. It entertained me well enough, and it will be very interesting to see how Woolsey develops from here on out. "Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy" was just the beginning.

Score: 8/10

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*Sigh* Again with the Keller bashing? So she's now a wussy for wanting to make sure her Beckett treatment works? What bull**** is this? It's wussy for doctors to make sure their medicine works. Ok, that's great.

Well then, Beckett's big wussy for wanting to make sure the Hoffan drug is safe or whatever, despite the fact that it worked, in Poisoning the Well. There, I said it. Same thing. Beckett's a wuss, apparently.

jelgate
July 19th, 2008, 09:45 PM
*Sigh* Again with the Keller bashing? So she's now a wussy for wanting to make sure her Beckett treatment works? What bull**** is this? It's wussy for doctors to make sure their medicine works. Ok, that's great.

Well then, Beckett's big wussy for wanting to make sure the Hoffan drug is safe or whatever, despite the fact that it worked, in Poisoning the Well. There, I said it. Same thing. Beckett's a wuss, apparently.Don't you just love these double standards:rolleyes:

pittsburghgirl
July 19th, 2008, 09:55 PM
For the record-neither the Red Cross nor the American Heart Association state in their guidelines that it is 3 compressions to 1 breath for the professional.

I am an RN and teach CPR to other Nurses and support staff.

I know that we have to sometimes suspend belief on shows-but CPR is such an important need and skill to portray that service in an inaccurate fasion doesn't help anyone.

TV programs teach as well as entertain-if someone does need CPR wouldn't you rather these shows get it right?

AutumnDream
July 19th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Despite how asinine it is to simply replace characters you can't write for, or arbitrarily bring in new ones because you've run out of ideas, I like Keller. The episode itself wasn't very effective, but if anyone was going to be taken over by such a grotesque thing it was certainly the most effective choice to make it the nice new kid.

PG15
July 19th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Tell me about it, jel. What complete crap.


TV programs teach as well as entertain-if someone does need CPR wouldn't you rather these shows get it right?

Actually, no. I don't think many people are dumb enough to take medical advice from SciFi shows. Besides, 30 compressions? I don't care how fast it's performed; it will take up valuable time that can be used for other, more entertaining things.

Kliggins
July 19th, 2008, 10:46 PM
I'm having a problem with Keller and the silly smile she always wears. As a Firefly fan I half expect to hear her say "shiny" as part of her bedside manner.
Also, in my opinion you can never have too much Zelenka!

Agreed! Never too much Zelenka. :D

pittsburghgirl
July 19th, 2008, 10:51 PM
True-like Rodney delivering a baby or Shep putting the puddle jumper through a building or Woolsey running Atlantis. (sorry-I like the actor really-but you know...)

LoneStar1836
July 19th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Eh, okay this wasn’t as bad as I had imagined.

The story was absolutely boring. Nothing of interest there for me. Hardly an inkling of suspense.

The characters were the only thing that saved this episode…well except for Keller. Though I suppose her being mostly silent wasn’t a bad thing. :P

Carson! I could care less that he is some clone. He is still identical to the other one in everyway…everyway that counts for me. Well except for the hair! Very nice to see PM again. He did a fine job, and I thought the writers handled his return fairly well. Obviously I’d like to have seen more focus on his return…like a one on one scene with McKay and maybe one with Teyla, but all of them together at once when he woke up will have to do.

lol. TV CRP is always quite entertaining. I know they can’t do the real thing as it cracks ribs, etc. and messes with the heart, but those poor actors that are subjected to having to fake it and fake it soooo badly. And as already noted the compression to breath ratio was way off. Once upon a time I was CPR certified (for a year at least :D) so the really bad faking just pulls me out of the scene cuz I have to laugh...and roll my eyes because it make the doc look like an incompetent especially if he can't get the ratio right. And no I'm not advocating they do all 30 and then the breath...just toss out the dang breath cuz our tv patient will come out of it long before they get that far. I still chuckle at them defibing Shep in 38 Minutes even though he had no rhythm when they should have been doing CPR...even horribly faked CPR. :D

It was nice to see Teyla have a bit more to say and do in this ep. I’m not sure we will see much reservation from her about jumping back into the action even though she now has the baby to consider. Maybe in more riskier situations off world, but here she was confronted with a threat to the base which is close to home. The writers could have pushed the issue with this one as Teyla could have gotten more involved at the end of the show, but they didn’t and she wasn’t so I just have to assume that the baby played a part in her not insisting on helping Ronon or Shep get to Keller. At least the Kanaan issue was addressed, but umm where did these other hybrid prisoners come from. I can only guess they were the ones on the planet that were digging through the rubble and thus didn’t go boom with the hive ship.

Zelenka! Need I say more. :D Though no exclamations in Czech in this one even though it was a perfect time for some. :mckay:

McKay was rather subdued in this episode. Not necessarily a bad thing though. I liked how he reluctantly stood for Woolsey’s entrance.

My first thought when Keller woke up with all the goo on her hand was “man she really drools a lot in her sleep.” I knew where they were going with it but still….:D I won't be totally heartless as I did feel sorry for her being left alone in the dark like that.

Shep was kinda off in this one to me. Not sure if I can put my finger on it though. If he keeps up this seemingly non concern for his own life, the writers may have to eventually kill him. Not that I see that happening in a million years, but I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it if it were for a good reason/good story. Too bad he didn’t go on and pull the trigger. Would have made my day, but she’s already a contracted actor and the writers don’t have the you know what to do that. At least Woolsey was already considering it. Can’t say it wouldn't have had an impact on the show though. Course the writers can always easily forget that they did it….

I quite liked Woolsey…in this one. I’m trying to have a wait and see attitude with him. He stood his ground fairly well. Liked the briefing room scene, as well as his entrance. Who needs speeches? I’m sure he knew he was going into a hostile environment as people were going to be peeved about Carter’s departure. Besides there were only like 5 or 6 people present. Leave the speeches for some more formal welcome/introduction and just go on and get down to business.

We can’t writer Carter as having been an integral part of Season 4 so in Season 5 after she is gone we will just tell you she was. :rolleyes: And I wanted Carter to be a success in Atlantis but the writers absolutely sucked at writing for her. She had a couple of moments but ugh she was wasted on the show. I can accept that the IOA would now want a civilian back in charge as things have calmed a bit so the change in command is plausible. I guess if it takes a man being in that role to actually make the writers write the spot better then so be it, but it just highlights their ineptitude at writing for female characters.

Again with the rushed, lazy ending. ;) Shep flies the PJ into the heart of the beast and it just ignores him? Come on. I mean I can ignore that if forced to but it’s damn difficult to do after the writers had already established that this thing would try to protect itself from any intrusion. I see no excuse to get around that.

As far as Shep saving the day again. *shrug* Writers wrote themselves into that corner and I honestly saw no other option. The only thing different I can see would be to have had Shep been the one to initially go after Keller like Ronon did. You could still have him get impaled and lay there bleeding out and the others can do nothing but communicate with him on the radio. Could have gotten some nice angst outa that as well as the whump. Someone else comes up with the idea to use the jumper and then McKay would have to fly it and Ronon could save the day by fighting his way to Keller and give her the injection.


This one does not even approach the badness of the worst episodes of SGA, but it was by no means a gem either. It’s an overall meh. It served as a transition from Carter to Woolsey as well as taking care of the frozen Carson problem. I look forward to his return…or at least I think I do considering what one of those future eps will be based on spoilers. :mckay:

sweetsamurai
July 20th, 2008, 01:44 AM
Boring. Watered down version of previous Sg-1 episode.

Characters that I loved are being watered and dialogue bored me enough to annoy my poor little cat while I watched on.

Carson episode - yet again too serious to bring back the good old days of humourous banter between him and Mckay and the other team members.

Ronan having no personality except for grunting and being brash.

Our Carson episode being made into "Let's make Keller centre of the plot, so our fans don't forget who is in charge" blah blah.

Season 4 virus attacks again. I just hope next episode is as good or better than "search and rescue" because I loved that episode.

Woolsey in that outfit was like seeing my Dad in leather trousers.

Pegasus_SGA
July 20th, 2008, 01:56 AM
New Red Cross guidelines are for PROFESSIONAL level cpr...3 to 1. They were doing it correctly.

Also the red cross has done a sweeping change across the board...but mainly at the professional level.

If not kill them then possibly throw them into an odd heart beat and break their ribs. (I can tell you from experience, the ribs do indeed crack.):o

Jackie, can you pass over your source please as i'd be very interested to see it, especially as I only got re-trained 6 months ago, and the Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=57142) website still says 2 breaths to 30 compressions as I said earlier, and as Pittsburghgirl has mentioned. If it's something that is being done professionally it is always handed down to those getting re-trained, and we get notified immediately of those changes, and they weren't changed that long ago.


Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

Shep almost getting intubated. I actually paused the video and laughed my ass off because I know Linzi and the rest of the Shep Whumpers must've screamed at that point. :D But oooooooh, so close. Damn Shep for waking up early, right? ;)

The Phage. AND the references begin! For those who don't know, The Phage was the name of a Season 1 Star Trek Voyager episode featuring a disease of the same name. Again, I paused the video and had a good laugh. Can't wait for more of these! :D

That's all I remember for now. Let's move on to my usual review.

This episode was solid. It didn't blow me away or anything, but there were plenty of excellent little character moments and past references, as well as those few moments of cool CGI. It was great to see Beckett back, and Robert Picardo just proves once again how AWESOME he is at everything. The main plot was your typical alien biological attack kind of plot, and so it wasn't too interesting, though it did offer up some cool moments.

Yeah, I couldn't really get the images of hentai tenticle sex out of my head either. It was just so...yeah. I need to get off of the Internet.

Ok, moving on. I LOVED the little character moments in this episode. It's stuff like this that just starts developing at this point in the show, where the characters have been established, and so they can slowly exploit their idiosyncrasies. The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two. Wonderful stuff. Then, Woosley arrived to underwhelming fanfare. I loved the "aw, do I have to?" look McKay gave there, and the horrible speech Woolsey gave (I think "well then" was really the speech; the rest was his first orders). It was perfect for his character and TPTB nailed him perfectly. The conference room scene had more small moments. I loved how TPTB tied up some of the loose ends from the previous episode, like why Carter was carted off (totally saw that reason coming; it's only logical); as well as touching on the similarily between this timeline and the alternate with regards to Woolsey; it was hilarious how Shep hinted at the McKay/Keller thing but decided to hold it back for his pleasure.

*snip cos PG15 talks too much* ;)

I loved how the disease was connected back to Michael's imploded compound. I always love continuity carry-overs instead of just randomly making up a new plot device for the episode.

Man, I gotta keep reminding myself that I'm talking to you guys, the fans, instead of JM, as I've been writing episode reviews in his blog comments for months now; I keep saying "you guys" instead of "TPTB" or "they". Heh.

There were some great character moments in the rest of the episode as well. I loved the reference back to Conversion with Shep's "been there, done that" (I knew he was going to say that, actually); how Beckett, Ronon, and McKay all volunteered for the mission; how Beckett goes "oh, it's ordinary then" (or something similar) after McKay lists his symptoms; how Radek was all giggly-geeky after realizing that he was watching a Hive ship being built right before his eyes; etc. etc. Great stuff.

Moving on. Robert Picardo was awesome in this episode, as I predicted. The guy can't do "bad acting"; he just can't; it's not in his genes. Right from the start we have him acting all Woolsey-like; getting to the point, seeing things as black-and-white, etc. That initial meeting seemed to have proven to everyone there that their worse fears have been realized: Woosley really is that bad, even if he was given a whole new position. I loved the looks on everyone's faces by the end; it seemed like a mutiny is afoot. :D But Woolsey just keeps on going, 1 issue at a time, shooting down every suggestion with his bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. I loved it. He seemed to have everything under control...and then boom; Keller gets Hived. I loved how Shep kept almost daring him to step out of line, to break the rules. But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all. It was like his under-developed sense of "do the right thing" was stopping him from sending Beckett home, or stopping Ronon from leaving quarantine. Hopefully that sense will develop more as time passes. He was pretty emotionless the whole way through, and I think that was the point. This is the man he is. The man he was. An impersonal bureaucrat. We saw just how impersonal this concept can be when he advocated killing Keller with drones. I mean, this is big. For the leader of the Expedition to openly consider this, and tell everyone else about it. Usually it's someone else, like Shep who comes up with these unethical plans, and here we saw that he has indeed considered this. That was a really telling moment, for both characters; especially since they come from such different backgrounds. It was a disturbing scene.

Oh yes, I am going to love Woolsey. :D

Seeing Keller with her face covered in tendrils was disturbing. I'm squeamish of facial distortions, so stuff like that really gets me. Luckily, it wasn't too bad, but just strange enough to creep me out. Awesome.

Loved seeing a new part of Atlantis. Also loved how assertive and authoritative Teyla was in this episode. Being a mommy helps in that regard, I guess. ;) I've been watching Season 1 and...was it Peg? I think so...anyway, she said that Teyla was stronger in Season 1, and now I see that she's correct. What's more, the Teyla here reminded me a lot of the Teyla of old, the strong leader. I liked that a lot.

Poor Keller. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for her. I mean, think about it. Once the lights went out, she was basically a head with her mind slowly being consumed. She couldn't feel the rest of her body, her mind was getting taken over, and everything was dark. Her reality must've been extremely confusing. Did she have hallucinations while her sense of sight was being deprived of stimulus? I'd be driven to madness if I were in her position. Just...a horrible experience. Besides that, I loved how she worked tirelessly to cure Beckett, as she had promised. Screw Keller-hate (note I didn't say haters). All I know is, I like her character a lot, and her being on screen is bringing me enjoyment. Hooray for me. :D

Beckett! It was jarring at first seeing him so unfazed when everyone gathered around him like that, but then I had to remember that, to him, little-to-no time has passed since Kindred Part 2. His scene at the balcony was just beautiful, and his efforts throughout the episode was great to watch. Beckett's back baby! Besides that, I also loved his last scenes. The exchange "good luck, Carson" "Thanks, John" was just so heartwarming. A small piece of dialogue excellently delivered by two amazing actors.

That voice Keller had when her mind was taken over was so badass! The way Jewel Staite delivered it, plus the computer effects, made it really menacing and mechanical. Wonderfully done.

Loved finding out how a hive ship could be built; this can spawn many more stories, I feel.

Finally, I gotta give props to Mark Savela for those brief but exquisit CGI scenes. I loved seeing new shots of the city, and these are absolutely fantastic. I think it has to do with the lighting and the subtle blurring due to distance; it made everything seem so realistic. I think I've taken photos that were less realistic. Haha.

So overall, a solid episode, though not particularly spectacular. It entertained me well enough, and it will be very interesting to see how Woolsey develops from here on out. "Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy" was just the beginning.

Score: 8/10

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*Sigh* Again with the Keller bashing? So she's now a wussy for wanting to make sure her Beckett treatment works? What bull**** is this? It's wussy for doctors to make sure their medicine works. Ok, that's great.

Well then, Beckett's big wussy for wanting to make sure the Hoffan drug is safe or whatever, despite the fact that it worked, in Poisoning the Well. There, I said it. Same thing. Beckett's a wuss, apparently.

Well Shep nearly getting intubated floored us, Sheppy D was left on tenderhooks, bless her to see if her fondest wish had come true.... so close!! :P And we were all of course speechless for about 30 seconds. ;) Then the squee returned in full force. :D

And yep it was me that said about Teyla being stronger in Season 1. I have to say, I did see a nice little spark in Teyla's eyes, and so far she's seemed stronger than we've seen her in a while. Maybe it is because she's got those protective mothering instincts now, but I loved her scenes, and it was great to see her getting up to how she was in S1 again. :)


Don't you just love these double standards:rolleyes:

That's fans for you. :lol:


For the record-neither the Red Cross nor the American Heart Association state in their guidelines that it is 3 compressions to 1 breath for the professional.

I am an RN and teach CPR to other Nurses and support staff.

I know that we have to sometimes suspend belief on shows-but CPR is such an important need and skill to portray that service in an inaccurate fasion doesn't help anyone.

TV programs teach as well as entertain-if someone does need CPR wouldn't you rather these shows get it right?

Thank you!!! :) I've not heard it either, and although i'm not an instructor, nothing has been said in my area either. I'd love to see them get this right. I know I said I wasn't going to talk about it anymore, and people are probably getting to the point of rolling their eyes, and saying, "Oh bloody hell, she's off on one agin!" ;) And they'd be right. But 3:1 i've not seen it anywhere, let alone the Red Cross, unless Jackie's thinking for animals? :S

Shan Bruce Lee
July 20th, 2008, 02:12 AM
Tell me about it, jel. What complete crap.



Actually, no. I don't think many people are dumb enough to take medical advice from SciFi shows. Besides, 30 compressions? I don't care how fast it's performed; it will take up valuable time that can be used for other, more entertaining things.

So Rodney delivering Teyla's baby was not the right way to do it?

Sp!der
July 20th, 2008, 02:15 AM
hey there,
it was a good eps. not good not bad. loved carson and the other team.
shepperd was cool with his jumper. love shepperd more and more..... :sheppard:
he is funny!!!! :)
and oh...woolsey is great!!!

Linzi
July 20th, 2008, 02:36 AM
:lol: I thought the same about the Sam line. :lol:

As for your second point, I don't think the lines were there to offset, personally speaking when you go into a new job, especially management and your predecessor has been well respected, it's very hard to fill that person's shoes. So maybe subconsciously he doesn't feel he's worthy of the position, and he's got to prove it to himself that he can do the job, but at the moment he can't relax into it, because he has to earn everyone's respect? Just a thought. :lol: Shouldn't be having too many of them this time of nite, it's not good for me. ;)



oooh yes, now that's an interesting theory, Atlantis as a hive ship, hehe, I wonder how the weapons are created if it's based mostly on organic material and a bi-polymor compound... where do the weapons come into play, and how are they made, or is that just man made do you think? Or Wraith made. :lol:

Sorry the spideysense does get a bit tangety at times. :P Well, to be honest, I was really surprised that Sky made an appearance on SGA, I wonder how much she charged to loan out her Noodles of Doom to the set? ;)



I didn't want to talk about that as i'd go off again, initially it was 1-5 (one breath to 5 compressions) then it changed to 2 -15 and now I believe they've settled on 2 to 30? I think that was the most recent change to CPR wasn't it? But 1-3, not heard of that one before. :lol: Nope not going to get worked up over it, i'm being very good. :P
Interestingly, over here in the UK, medical professionals are now questioning the importance of any sort of breathing if there's one person there performing CPR, and that the most important thing to do is chest compressions to get the heart started again and to leave the breathing altogether. If you're on your own at the moment, the guidelines say it's 30 chest compressions to two breaths, if there are two people there it's 15 compressions to two breaths. I just asked my daughter who's a third year medical student and that's what they're teaching future doctors here in the UK at her medical school. So I'm guessing Carson et al should have done 15 to 2 as there were two people there. But, that's how it's being taught in the UK. It might be different in the US, or Canada. :)

Jackie, can you pass over your source please as i'd be very interested to see it, especially as I only got re-trained 6 months ago, and the Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=57142) website still says 2 breaths to 30 compressions as I said earlier, and as Pittsburghgirl has mentioned. If it's something that is being done professionally it is always handed down to those getting re-trained, and we get notified immediately of those changes, and they weren't changed that long ago.



Well Shep nearly getting intubated floored us, Sheppy D was left on tenderhooks, bless her to see if her fondest wish had come true.... so close!! :P And we were all of course speechless for about 30 seconds. ;) Then the squee returned in full force. :D

And yep it was me that said about Teyla being stronger in Season 1. I have to say, I did see a nice little spark in Teyla's eyes, and so far she's seemed stronger than we've seen her in a while. Maybe it is because she's got those protective mothering instincts now, but I loved her scenes, and it was great to see her getting up to how she was in S1 again. :)



That's fans for you. :lol:



Thank you!!! :) I've not heard it either, and although i'm not an instructor, nothing has been said in my area either. I'd love to see them get this right. I know I said I wasn't going to talk about it anymore, and people are probably getting to the point of rolling their eyes, and saying, "Oh bloody hell, she's off on one agin!" ;) And they'd be right. But 3:1 i've not seen it anywhere, let alone the Red Cross, unless Jackie's thinking for animals? :S

As I explained above, it's never three to one. The most important thing is to get the heart going again. It's no good having lots of air in your lungs if your heart isn't pumping oxygenated blood around anywhere! :lol: As I said, my daughter has been told that if you're alone, and tired, forget the breathing altogether and concentrate on the chest compressions.

SheppyD did indeed have her heart in her mouth when she heard the 'I' word. I just laughed! Hehe! :D

Pegasus_SGA
July 20th, 2008, 03:04 AM
Interestingly, over here in the UK, medical professionals are now questioning the importance of any sort of breathing if there's one person there performing CPR, and that the most important thing to do is chest compressions to get the heart started again and to leave the breathing altogether. If you're on your own at the moment, the guidelines say it's 30 chest compressions to two breaths, if there are two people there it's 15 compressions to two breaths. I just asked my daughter who's a third year medical student and that's what they're teaching future doctors here in the UK at her medical school. So I'm guessing Carson et al should have done 15 to 2 as there were two people there. But, that's how it's being taught in the UK. It might be different in the US, or Canada. :)


As I explained above, it's never three to one. The most important thing is to get the heart going again. It's no good having lots of air in your lungs if your heart isn't pumping oxygenated blood around anywhere! :lol: As I said, my daughter has been told that if you're alone, and tired, forget the breathing altogether and concentrate on the chest compressions.

SheppyD did indeed have her heart in her mouth when she heard the 'I' word. I just laughed! Hehe! :D

Thank you, nice to hear that, I wasn't completely off the mark, maybe we should set up a focus group or something. ;)

As for Sheppy D, oh bless her, I was thinking of her in this ep, and her sitting wide eyed and rewinding it about a dozen times before she got to the next bit, just to make sure she heard it correctly. :lol:

Still say that shirt should have come off. ;)

Klinjon
July 20th, 2008, 04:44 AM
PG-15's earlier post:

"Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

Shep almost getting intubated. I actually paused the video and laughed my ass off because I know Linzi and the rest of the Shep Whumpers must've screamed at that point. :D But oooooooh, so close. Damn Shep for waking up early, right? ;)

The Phage. AND the references begin! For those who don't know, The Phage was the name of a Season 1 Star Trek Voyager episode featuring a disease of the same name. Again, I paused the video and had a good laugh. Can't wait for more of these! :D

That's all I remember for now. Let's move on to my usual review.

This episode was solid. It didn't blow me away or anything, but there were plenty of excellent little character moments and past references, as well as those few moments of cool CGI. It was great to see Beckett back, and Robert Picardo just proves once again how AWESOME he is at everything. The main plot was your typical alien biological attack kind of plot, and so it wasn't too interesting, though it did offer up some cool moments.

Yeah, I couldn't really get the images of hentai tenticle sex out of my head either. It was just so...yeah. I need to get off of the Internet.

Ok, moving on. I LOVED the little character moments in this episode. It's stuff like this that just starts developing at this point in the show, where the characters have been established, and so they can slowly exploit their idiosyncrasies. The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two. Wonderful stuff. Then, Woosley arrived to underwhelming fanfare. I loved the "aw, do I have to?" look McKay gave there, and the horrible speech Woolsey gave (I think "well then" was really the speech; the rest was his first orders). It was perfect for his character and TPTB nailed him perfectly. The conference room scene had more small moments. I loved how TPTB tied up some of the loose ends from the previous episode, like why Carter was carted off (totally saw that reason coming; it's only logical); as well as touching on the similarily between this timeline and the alternate with regards to Woolsey; it was hilarious how Shep hinted at the McKay/Keller thing but decided to hold it back for his pleasure.

Speaking of which, it was pretty clear that TPTB have started laying the groundwork for that relationship here. Luckily, it didn't feel like it suddenly happened, since it hasn't been that long since Trio, in-show wise, where feelings MAY have began (I know I denied it then, but given recent evidence...I guess you never know). So far, I like what I'm seeing; small awkward moments here and there, and McKay actually caring a lot for her well-being. Lovely. Can't wait to see where they go with this.

I loved how the disease was connected back to Michael's imploded compound. I always love continuity carry-overs instead of just randomly making up a new plot device for the episode.

Man, I gotta keep reminding myself that I'm talking to you guys, the fans, instead of JM, as I've been writing episode reviews in his blog comments for months now; I keep saying "you guys" instead of "TPTB" or "they". Heh.

There were some great character moments in the rest of the episode as well. I loved the reference back to Conversion with Shep's "been there, done that" (I knew he was going to say that, actually); how Beckett, Ronon, and McKay all volunteered for the mission; how Beckett goes "oh, it's ordinary then" (or something similar) after McKay lists his symptoms; how Radek was all giggly-geeky after realizing that he was watching a Hive ship being built right before his eyes; etc. etc. Great stuff.

Moving on. Robert Picardo was awesome in this episode, as I predicted. The guy can't do "bad acting"; he just can't; it's not in his genes. Right from the start we have him acting all Woolsey-like; getting to the point, seeing things as black-and-white, etc. That initial meeting seemed to have proven to everyone there that their worse fears have been realized: Woosley really is that bad, even if he was given a whole new position. I loved the looks on everyone's faces by the end; it seemed like a mutiny is afoot. :D But Woolsey just keeps on going, 1 issue at a time, shooting down every suggestion with his bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. I loved it. He seemed to have everything under control...and then boom; Keller gets Hived. I loved how Shep kept almost daring him to step out of line, to break the rules. But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all. It was like his under-developed sense of "do the right thing" was stopping him from sending Beckett home, or stopping Ronon from leaving quarantine. Hopefully that sense will develop more as time passes. He was pretty emotionless the whole way through, and I think that was the point. This is the man he is. The man he was. An impersonal bureaucrat. We saw just how impersonal this concept can be when he advocated killing Keller with drones. I mean, this is big. For the leader of the Expedition to openly consider this, and tell everyone else about it. Usually it's someone else, like Shep who comes up with these unethical plans, and here we saw that he has indeed considered this. That was a really telling moment, for both characters; especially since they come from such different backgrounds. It was a disturbing scene.

Oh yes, I am going to love Woolsey. :D

Seeing Keller with her face covered in tendrils was disturbing. I'm squeamish of facial distortions, so stuff like that really gets me. Luckily, it wasn't too bad, but just strange enough to creep me out. Awesome.

Loved seeing a new part of Atlantis. Also loved how assertive and authoritative Teyla was in this episode. Being a mommy helps in that regard, I guess. ;) I've been watching Season 1 and...was it Peg? I think so...anyway, she said that Teyla was stronger in Season 1, and now I see that she's correct. What's more, the Teyla here reminded me a lot of the Teyla of old, the strong leader. I liked that a lot.

Poor Keller. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for her. I mean, think about it. Once the lights went out, she was basically a head with her mind slowly being consumed. She couldn't feel the rest of her body, her mind was getting taken over, and everything was dark. Her reality must've been extremely confusing. Did she have hallucinations while her sense of sight was being deprived of stimulus? I'd be driven to madness if I were in her position. Just...a horrible experience. Besides that, I loved how she worked tirelessly to cure Beckett, as she had promised. Screw Keller-hate (note I didn't say haters). All I know is, I like her character a lot, and her being on screen is bringing me enjoyment. Hooray for me. :D

Beckett! It was jarring at first seeing him so unfazed when everyone gathered around him like that, but then I had to remember that, to him, little-to-no time has passed since Kindred Part 2. His scene at the balcony was just beautiful, and his efforts throughout the episode was great to watch. Beckett's back baby! Besides that, I also loved his last scenes. The exchange "good luck, Carson" "Thanks, John" was just so heartwarming. A small piece of dialogue excellently delivered by two amazing actors.

That voice Keller had when her mind was taken over was so badass! The way Jewel Staite delivered it, plus the computer effects, made it really menacing and mechanical. Wonderfully done.

Loved finding out how a hive ship could be built; this can spawn many more stories, I feel.

Finally, I gotta give props to Mark Savela for those brief but exquisit CGI scenes. I loved seeing new shots of the city, and these are absolutely fantastic. I think it has to do with the lighting and the subtle blurring due to distance; it made everything seem so realistic. I think I've taken photos that were less realistic. Haha.

So overall, a solid episode, though not particularly spectacular. It entertained me well enough, and it will be very interesting to see how Woolsey develops from here on out. "Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy" was just the beginning.

Score: 8/10"

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PG-15, you and I are on exactly the same page. I was going to write up my own thoughts on The Seed, but quite literally everything you have written here covers my own thoughts and feelings. A great episode, nice continuity references, Woolsey/Robert Picardo was fantastic, some nice understated team interactions, and some lovely CGI work.

I didn't think the episode was predictable at all, nor did I find Sheppard "saving the day" a cliche. Not only has Sheppard directly addressed his tendancy to be the one throwing himself into numerous dangerous situations (from Search and Rescue: "But I'm the guy, you know.. the guy.."), he is the leader of the Atlantis frontline team. He's had to battle on many occasions his guilt over the loss of team members, and would therefore be uncomfortable with the notion of others riskings their lives when he's more than capable of doing it himself. And anyway, from a television point of you, it would be a lot less dramatic to have "Random Extra fiddling with buttons #7" inject Keller than it would be if Sheppard did it! And on top of that, it was a team effort, from Beckett, Ronon, Woolsey and finally Shep, who just happened to be the one who took the risk of slamming a Puddle Jumper into the side of the infected section of the city to get to Keller.

I certainly couldn't have predicted that this supposed infection was how Michael (and possibly other Wraith factions) are able to build/grow hive ships. And I didn't think Keller was stupid for not reporting her gooey hand because I think it was Woolsey or Beckett who stated that the disease was affecting her psychology, and therefore, her judgement.

I don't know why, but Search and Rescue, and now The Seed, feel different somehow, more sophisticated (when compared with Seasons 2-4) - I think particularly, the writing and music have stepped up a notch in quality. Not that I haven't appriciated Atlantis thus far (quite the opposite infact), but I think Season 5 has gotten off to a cracking start. Next week: Ronon/Jason Momoa acting tour de force!

Alipeeps
July 20th, 2008, 05:30 AM
doing cpr 'right' on an actor is a quick way to kill the actor.

the compressions will mess with a person's real heartbeat and harm them...thus they fake it. sometimes better, sometimes worse :)

Oh I know that, I was just saying there have got to be more convincing ways to fake it. Other shows manage to do so... :)


Also, another question regarding Keller, what was that medication she took, and could that have been the issue that fully jump-started her transformation?


Good point. I'm assuming it was a sleeping tablet and maybe it did give the virus more chance to take hold... but she had already started showing symptoms (the gunk on her hand and the spacing out).


Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

Shep almost getting intubated. I actually paused the video and laughed my ass off because I know Linzi and the rest of the Shep Whumpers must've screamed at that point. :D But oooooooh, so close. Damn Shep for waking up early, right? ;)

:lol: You're not the only one! :D My immediate thought on hearing that famous word was, "OMG! SheppyD's going to be having fits!" :lol:


The Phage. AND the references begin! For those who don't know, The Phage was the name of a Season 1 Star Trek Voyager episode featuring a disease of the same name. Again, I paused the video and had a good laugh. Can't wait for more of these! :D[/quote

Yup. That made me giggle a little too! :D

[QUOTE=PG15;8601480]Yeah, I couldn't really get the images of hentai tenticle sex out of my head either. It was just so...yeah. I need to get off of the Internet.

Umm. Yeah. You *really* do! :lol:


Ok, moving on. I LOVED the little character moments in this episode. It's stuff like this that just starts developing at this point in the show, where the characters have been established, and so they can slowly exploit their idiosyncrasies. The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two. Wonderful stuff. Then, Woosley arrived to underwhelming fanfare. I loved the "aw, do I have to?" look McKay gave there, and the horrible speech Woolsey gave (I think "well then" was really the speech; the rest was his first orders). It was perfect for his character and TPTB nailed him perfectly. The conference room scene had more small moments. I loved how TPTB tied up some of the loose ends from the previous episode, like why Carter was carted off (totally saw that reason coming; it's only logical); as well as touching on the similarily between this timeline and the alternate with regards to Woolsey; it was hilarious how Shep hinted at the McKay/Keller thing but decided to hold it back for his pleasure.

Me too. This episode was all about the character stuff for me. The plot was what held it all together but it was the charcter moments that made it enjoyable and that really stood out more than the plot.

Knight_ofthe_Word
July 20th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Didn't you listen to John, In this episode a month has passed between the events of Search and Rescue and the Seed. That would explain why she can wield a P90. Also, she wasn't "leading the team" She was just helping Atlantis with the Tentacle problem since the rest of the team was infected. Also, I think she is going to go to earth on the daedalus.


Where'd you pull that stuff about tayla leaving from???

nothing was mentioned on the episode!

pfftsha, give facts next time mate

K_ot_W

Linzi
July 20th, 2008, 06:47 AM
PG-15's earlier post:

"Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

Shep almost getting intubated. I actually paused the video and laughed my ass off because I know Linzi and the rest of the Shep Whumpers must've screamed at that point. :D But oooooooh, so close. Damn Shep for waking up early, right? ;)

The Phage. AND the references begin! For those who don't know, The Phage was the name of a Season 1 Star Trek Voyager episode featuring a disease of the same name. Again, I paused the video and had a good laugh. Can't wait for more of these! :D

That's all I remember for now. Let's move on to my usual review.

This episode was solid. It didn't blow me away or anything, but there were plenty of excellent little character moments and past references, as well as those few moments of cool CGI. It was great to see Beckett back, and Robert Picardo just proves once again how AWESOME he is at everything. The main plot was your typical alien biological attack kind of plot, and so it wasn't too interesting, though it did offer up some cool moments.

Yeah, I couldn't really get the images of hentai tenticle sex out of my head either. It was just so...yeah. I need to get off of the Internet.

Ok, moving on. I LOVED the little character moments in this episode. It's stuff like this that just starts developing at this point in the show, where the characters have been established, and so they can slowly exploit their idiosyncrasies. The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two. Wonderful stuff. Then, Woosley arrived to underwhelming fanfare. I loved the "aw, do I have to?" look McKay gave there, and the horrible speech Woolsey gave (I think "well then" was really the speech; the rest was his first orders). It was perfect for his character and TPTB nailed him perfectly. The conference room scene had more small moments. I loved how TPTB tied up some of the loose ends from the previous episode, like why Carter was carted off (totally saw that reason coming; it's only logical); as well as touching on the similarily between this timeline and the alternate with regards to Woolsey; it was hilarious how Shep hinted at the McKay/Keller thing but decided to hold it back for his pleasure.

Speaking of which, it was pretty clear that TPTB have started laying the groundwork for that relationship here. Luckily, it didn't feel like it suddenly happened, since it hasn't been that long since Trio, in-show wise, where feelings MAY have began (I know I denied it then, but given recent evidence...I guess you never know). So far, I like what I'm seeing; small awkward moments here and there, and McKay actually caring a lot for her well-being. Lovely. Can't wait to see where they go with this.

I loved how the disease was connected back to Michael's imploded compound. I always love continuity carry-overs instead of just randomly making up a new plot device for the episode.

Man, I gotta keep reminding myself that I'm talking to you guys, the fans, instead of JM, as I've been writing episode reviews in his blog comments for months now; I keep saying "you guys" instead of "TPTB" or "they". Heh.

There were some great character moments in the rest of the episode as well. I loved the reference back to Conversion with Shep's "been there, done that" (I knew he was going to say that, actually); how Beckett, Ronon, and McKay all volunteered for the mission; how Beckett goes "oh, it's ordinary then" (or something similar) after McKay lists his symptoms; how Radek was all giggly-geeky after realizing that he was watching a Hive ship being built right before his eyes; etc. etc. Great stuff.

Moving on. Robert Picardo was awesome in this episode, as I predicted. The guy can't do "bad acting"; he just can't; it's not in his genes. Right from the start we have him acting all Woolsey-like; getting to the point, seeing things as black-and-white, etc. That initial meeting seemed to have proven to everyone there that their worse fears have been realized: Woosley really is that bad, even if he was given a whole new position. I loved the looks on everyone's faces by the end; it seemed like a mutiny is afoot. :D But Woolsey just keeps on going, 1 issue at a time, shooting down every suggestion with his bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. I loved it. He seemed to have everything under control...and then boom; Keller gets Hived. I loved how Shep kept almost daring him to step out of line, to break the rules. But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all. It was like his under-developed sense of "do the right thing" was stopping him from sending Beckett home, or stopping Ronon from leaving quarantine. Hopefully that sense will develop more as time passes. He was pretty emotionless the whole way through, and I think that was the point. This is the man he is. The man he was. An impersonal bureaucrat. We saw just how impersonal this concept can be when he advocated killing Keller with drones. I mean, this is big. For the leader of the Expedition to openly consider this, and tell everyone else about it. Usually it's someone else, like Shep who comes up with these unethical plans, and here we saw that he has indeed considered this. That was a really telling moment, for both characters; especially since they come from such different backgrounds. It was a disturbing scene.

Oh yes, I am going to love Woolsey. :D

Seeing Keller with her face covered in tendrils was disturbing. I'm squeamish of facial distortions, so stuff like that really gets me. Luckily, it wasn't too bad, but just strange enough to creep me out. Awesome.

Loved seeing a new part of Atlantis. Also loved how assertive and authoritative Teyla was in this episode. Being a mommy helps in that regard, I guess. ;) I've been watching Season 1 and...was it Peg? I think so...anyway, she said that Teyla was stronger in Season 1, and now I see that she's correct. What's more, the Teyla here reminded me a lot of the Teyla of old, the strong leader. I liked that a lot.

Poor Keller. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for her. I mean, think about it. Once the lights went out, she was basically a head with her mind slowly being consumed. She couldn't feel the rest of her body, her mind was getting taken over, and everything was dark. Her reality must've been extremely confusing. Did she have hallucinations while her sense of sight was being deprived of stimulus? I'd be driven to madness if I were in her position. Just...a horrible experience. Besides that, I loved how she worked tirelessly to cure Beckett, as she had promised. Screw Keller-hate (note I didn't say haters). All I know is, I like her character a lot, and her being on screen is bringing me enjoyment. Hooray for me. :D

Beckett! It was jarring at first seeing him so unfazed when everyone gathered around him like that, but then I had to remember that, to him, little-to-no time has passed since Kindred Part 2. His scene at the balcony was just beautiful, and his efforts throughout the episode was great to watch. Beckett's back baby! Besides that, I also loved his last scenes. The exchange "good luck, Carson" "Thanks, John" was just so heartwarming. A small piece of dialogue excellently delivered by two amazing actors.

That voice Keller had when her mind was taken over was so badass! The way Jewel Staite delivered it, plus the computer effects, made it really menacing and mechanical. Wonderfully done.

Loved finding out how a hive ship could be built; this can spawn many more stories, I feel.

Finally, I gotta give props to Mark Savela for those brief but exquisit CGI scenes. I loved seeing new shots of the city, and these are absolutely fantastic. I think it has to do with the lighting and the subtle blurring due to distance; it made everything seem so realistic. I think I've taken photos that were less realistic. Haha.

So overall, a solid episode, though not particularly spectacular. It entertained me well enough, and it will be very interesting to see how Woolsey develops from here on out. "Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy" was just the beginning.

Score: 8/10"

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PG-15, you and I are on exactly the same page. I was going to write up my own thoughts on The Seed, but quite literally everything you have written here covers my own thoughts and feelings. A great episode, nice continuity references, Woolsey/Robert Picardo was fantastic, some nice understated team interactions, and some lovely CGI work.

I didn't think the episode was predictable at all, nor did I find Sheppard "saving the day" a cliche. Not only has Sheppard directly addressed his tendancy to be the one throwing himself into numerous dangerous situations (from Search and Rescue: "But I'm the guy, you know.. the guy.."), he is the leader of the Atlantis frontline team. He's had to battle on many occasions his guilt over the loss of team members, and would therefore be uncomfortable with the notion of others riskings their lives when he's more than capable of doing it himself. And anyway, from a television point of you, it would be a lot less dramatic to have "Random Extra fiddling with buttons #7" inject Keller than it would be if Sheppard did it! And on top of that, it was a team effort, from Beckett, Ronon, Woolsey and finally Shep, who just happened to be the one who took the risk of slamming a Puddle Jumper into the side of the infected section of the city to get to Keller.

I certainly couldn't have predicted that this supposed infection was how Michael (and possibly other Wraith factions) are able to build/grow hive ships. And I didn't think Keller was stupid for not reporting her gooey hand because I think it was Woolsey or Beckett who stated that the disease was affecting her psychology, and therefore, her judgement.

I don't know why, but Search and Rescue, and now The Seed, feel different somehow, more sophisticated (when compared with Seasons 2-4) - I think particularly, the writing and music have stepped up a notch in quality. Not that I haven't appriciated Atlantis thus far (quite the opposite infact), but I think Season 5 has gotten off to a cracking start. Next week: Ronon/Jason Momoa acting tour de force!
Great post! I agree! :) Ok, PG your review was ok too! :D

PG - um, hentai tenticle sex??? :eek: What the heck is that??? Or shouldn't I ask. :lol:

jelgate
July 20th, 2008, 06:57 AM
Interestingly, over here in the UK, medical professionals are now questioning the importance of any sort of breathing if there's one person there performing CPR, and that the most important thing to do is chest compressions to get the heart started again and to leave the breathing altogether. If you're on your own at the moment, the guidelines say it's 30 chest compressions to two breaths, if there are two people there it's 15 compressions to two breaths. I just asked my daughter who's a third year medical student and that's what they're teaching future doctors here in the UK at her medical school. So I'm guessing Carson et al should have done 15 to 2 as there were two people there. But, that's how it's being taught in the UK. It might be different in the US, or Canada. Its not just the UK. I have heard simliar things for US medical professionals.
Great post! I agree! :) Ok, PG your review was ok too! :DPG - um,?* hentai tenticle sex??? :eek: What the heck is that??? Or shouldn't I ask. :lol:When a male tenticle and a femal tenticle love each other very much...

Alipeeps
July 20th, 2008, 07:51 AM
When a male tenticle and a femal tenticle love each other very much...

Not even! :eek: If it were just two happy tentacles in love, it wouldn't be so disturbing... :lol:

SGalisa
July 20th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Moving on. Robert Picardo was awesome in this episode, as I predicted. The guy can't do "bad acting"; he just can't; it's not in his genes. Right from the start we have him acting all Woolsey-like; getting to the point, seeing things as black-and-white, etc. That initial meeting seemed to have proven to everyone there that their worse fears have been realized: Woosley really is that bad, even if he was given a whole new position. I loved the looks on everyone's faces by the end; it seemed like a mutiny is afoot. :D But Woolsey just keeps on going, 1 issue at a time, shooting down every suggestion with his bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. I loved it. He seemed to have everything under control...and then boom; Keller gets Hived. I loved how Shep kept almost daring him to step out of line, to break the rules. But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all. It was like his under-developed sense of "do the right thing" was stopping him from sending Beckett home, or stopping Ronon from leaving quarantine. Hopefully that sense will develop more as time passes. He was pretty emotionless the whole way through, and I think that was the point. This is the man he is. The man he was. An impersonal bureaucrat.

I'd say one of the main reasons *why* Woosley complied at all to any suggestions that came off the cuff so to speak, was because he's been prepped from previous SG-1 and SGA eps that not everything works best "according to the rules and regs book."

Especially in a close encounter ep where whatever happened got hushed under the rug, so to speak, Woolsey was forced to adapt (apart from the IOA's rulebooks) to the situation as it came up (and especially in "The Scourge" -- his own life was in danger and he realized how close to death he was -- IF the rules of the regs book were followed exactly..!). The rules and regs were forced to be pushed aside, and for that, I saw potential growth in his character that because he's now been tossed into the fire of complete control, sort of -- still with the IOA looking over his shoulder at various points, I think he'll be fine.

There was another ep he was in, but I don't remember the name or details other than Woolsey admitted that the IOA wouldn't see certain details.. and it was hinted in such a way that it came out appearing that *that* would be the ultimate outcome of whatever the situation was, and it showed tremendous growth of adaption on Woolsey's reporting side and personality.

As for Woolsey being the new leader at Atlantis--
Oh, it'll be a rough adjustment for everyone in Atlantis, but that last scene in "THE SEED" with Shep saying
"Welcome to the Pegasus galaxy"
I wasn't expecting Woolsey to question his own value system. I mean, his personality is so to the point, no dancing around to other subjects.. no warm, friendly greetings on how everyone's previous day(s) were -- as evidenced in everyone's first meeting at Atlantis (nice boss.. I think somewhere in my lifetime, I've had at least one person like that who made everyone shiver the moment they walked into the meeting room). :eek:
hmmmm, interesting.

What I had to laugh about was Shep's comment when he took the jumper to rescue Keller and Ronon, and apologized "for not filling out the paperwork first" :p (LOL.. too funny!). It was perfect for Woolsey's protocol personality and red tape bureaucracy, and typical Shep. I imagined him afterwards thinking back to pre-Atlantis military missions that ended up in disaster, because of the amount of red tape that had to get processed BEFORE any helpful decisions were made.



Woolsey in that outfit was like seeing my Dad in leather trousers.

..but I like seeing Woolsey better in that Atlantis outfit than in a suit. ;)
Wearing casual leisure-wear as part of an expedition's mission team clothing wear, has not just become Atlantis' own trademark now (as programs like SeaQuest DSV, ST-Next Generation, etc), but for Woolsey's character in particular ON Atlantis and WITH the rest of the SGA expedition teams, his new dress-down "dress code" is almost symbolic in the sense of forcing him to become more casual and relaxed, which goes directly contrary to his strict and restricting "must/should be done only by the book!" personality. I'd add that it's also sort of a throwback to his "Doctor" days on ST-Voyager, where he *was* more relaxed. So, it's sort of a relief to see him as Woolsey trying to relax into a new world that he is just not used to yet.

Lots of potential growth is plenty possible there for him. :)
I did noticed the running theme of the RED SHIRT in his jacket.. hmmm. The Red Shirt syndrome continues.. :D
Dr. Weir had several different red shirts. I originally just thought it was one of her favorite colors.. :p
on second thoughts, maybe not.. but I DO like the form-fitting patterns of the contrasting colors in the jackets.. =)

hedwig
July 20th, 2008, 09:05 AM
If not kill them then possibly throw them into an odd heart beat and break their ribs. (I can tell you from experience, the ribs do indeed crack.):o

I have personal (and painful) experience with how easily ribs can be fractured or cracked.:( No need to do that to an actor (or anyone else, for that matter), if it can be avoided.

Rac80
July 20th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Ok, a few things to jot down before I forget them:

<snippety snipped for size>---

*Sigh* Again with the Keller bashing? So she's now a wussy for wanting to make sure her Beckett treatment works? What bull**** is this? It's wussy for doctors to make sure their medicine works. Ok, that's great.

Well then, Beckett's big wussy for wanting to make sure the Hoffan drug is safe or whatever, despite the fact that it worked, in Poisoning the Well. There, I said it. Same thing. Beckett's a wuss, apparently.

Great rundown and analysis as always PG15. I too caught the phage reference and chuckled. I am hoping to see more nods to trek! I am glad I am not the only who notices a double standard with keller-bashing. The poor gal can't do anything right! As for testing meds... in the pharmaceutical industry there are severel levels of testing you go through BEFORE human testing... rats, bunnies, pigs, etc...SO any doctor worth their salt would be very very VERY reluctant to test a drug directly on a human. but poor Jennifer can't win, so she will be dissed for it! ;)


Don't you just love these double standards:rolleyes:
Uh huh, they add such an interesting level of logic to analysis of the show! ;)


Where'd you pull that stuff about tayla leaving from???

nothing was mentioned on the episode!

pfftsha, give facts next time mate

K_ot_W

I'd love to green you just for your nickname... love the books! but I can't. (i have given out too much green today!) so big mental GREEN for you! :D

GoSpikey
July 20th, 2008, 09:25 AM
Its not just the UK. I have heard simliar things for US medical professionals.When a male tenticle and a femal tenticle love each other very much...

Good think you were able to spell it 'tenticle' twice! Cos it's easy to give it another spelling.

*Doesn't imagine them rubbing over each other, feeling each other out...*

:S :S :S

Great, that.

:o

Linda06
July 20th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Ok you guys are freakin me out with you're tenticle talk :S ;)

Ok it's actually quite hard to not spell it another way by accident!

Pegasus_SGA
July 20th, 2008, 10:13 AM
So people aren't just content with eye sex, ;) they're now discussing tenticle sex?! :eek:

You dirty lil minxes!! Are you really that desperate for some loving in SGA? ;) :P :D

* feels the need to wash out her brain* :P

maxbo
July 20th, 2008, 10:22 AM
PG - um, hentai tenticle sex??? :eek: What the heck is that??? Or shouldn't I ask. :lol:

Trust me, you don't want to know. :S When I first heard the term, hentai, I couldn't leave well enough alone and had to satisfy my curiosity - and then wished I hadn't. :lol:

Anyway, back to The Seed. I enjoyed it, not as much as Search and Rescue, but I enjoyed it. It served as a good introduction to Woolsey as leader and it was great to see Teyla and Carson back in action. And, it was great to see Zelenka for the first time this season.

thekillman
July 20th, 2008, 10:27 AM
is there anyone who watches an eppy with his mind on 0 and watches the damn thing, not picking out any inconsistencies? cause i enjoy eppies. and i gotta say i loved it. xept the shep to the rescue. i want an ancient infirmary aswell. as he never ever ever ever ever shows any sign of left behind damage from all his whumps, being smacked against walls, being knocked to the floor, impacting buildings, and god knows what else. and for a change, him tossing the cure like a dart wouldve been cool, while sheppard was fighting the tentacles. but why did keller heal so rapidly?


oh and i think atlanis becomes more and more realistic: the brain guy is socially impotent, something quite accurate, and the by the book guy realises their rules are crap

Reiko
July 20th, 2008, 10:32 AM
The Keller-Teyla scene at the beginning was both informative and heart-warming, seeing Teyla adjusting to motherhood. The news that McKay was telling frozen!Beckett of everything was a great detail added in, and even though it's small, it just reinforces the friendship between the two.

» See, you're leading to one of my first problems with this episode: I was really hoping this episode would focus on Carson's relationships with the team as well as solving the problem, but I was expecting far too much of them. Do you know what? Because it's always about KELLER - Keller, Keller, Keller. They could have at least have cut a minute of Keller time to have ONE nice Carson/Rodney moment, or have Teyla walking in on Rodney talking to Carson (show, don't tell, remember?) But instead we get Keller praddling on, "Oh, it's all about me though I'll hide that fact by talking on and on about somebody else but note the amount of screentime I have doing this because it's all about ME, love ME!" :mckay:

» I think it would have worked much better if it was SHOWN Teyla walking in on Rodney talking to Carson, in short. :o

PG15
July 20th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Well Shep nearly getting intubated floored us, Sheppy D was left on tenderhooks, bless her to see if her fondest wish had come true.... so close!! :P And we were all of course speechless for about 30 seconds. ;) Then the squee returned in full force. :D

You...you were speechless? Really?

Wow. ;)


So Rodney delivering Teyla's baby was not the right way to do it?

Are you being sarcastic? ;)

I don't know if it were right or wrong (I'm not a doctor), but it was sure entertaining, and that's what counts.


Great post! I agree! :) Ok, PG your review was ok too! :D

:p


PG - um, hentai tenticle sex??? :eek: What the heck is that??? Or shouldn't I ask. :lol:

You...shouldn't ask. Trust me.

Just, never ever google it. ;)

Pegasus_SGA
July 20th, 2008, 10:42 AM
» See, you're leading to one of my first problems with this episode: I was really hoping this episode would focus on Carson's relationships with the team as well as solving the problem, but I was expecting far too much of them. Do you know what? Because it's always about KELLER - Keller, Keller, Keller. They could have at least have cut a minute of Keller time to have ONE nice Carson/Rodney moment, or have Teyla walking in on Rodney talking to Carson (show, don't tell, remember?) But instead we get Keller praddling on, "Oh, it's all about me though I'll hide that fact by talking on and on about somebody else but note the amount of screentime I have doing this because it's all about ME, love ME!" :mckay:

» I think it would have worked much better if it was SHOWN Teyla walking in on Rodney talking to Carson, in short. :o

Your wish is my command. :D
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hedwig
July 20th, 2008, 10:43 AM
xept the shep to the rescue. i want an ancient infirmary aswell. as he never ever ever ever ever shows any sign of left behind damage from all his whumps, being smacked against walls, being knocked to the floor, impacting buildings, and god knows what else. and for a change, him tossing the cure like a dart wouldve been cool, while sheppard was fighting the tentacles. but why did keller heal so rapidly?

Haven't you noticed how everyone heals from the most severe injuries almost instantly - or at least overnight or maybe in a couple of days - and certainly they never have any scars to show for all the injuries they've sustained. That would just be ... wrong!:P:D:p:eek:

Happens in all action/adventure/dangerous situation TV series.:)

Reiko
July 20th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Your wish is my command. :D
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» Oh, you :P

» Hee, and my OTP had eye!sex, so I suppose that makes me happy :D

SGalisa
July 20th, 2008, 10:50 AM
About Woolsey's character and potential growth at Atlantis--
Oooo! Oooooooooo! I found the eppy I was looking for -- and it WAS an Atlantis eppy. Details to follow.. ;)


...But, what I really loved, was how understated Woolsey's transformation was. Sure, there were times where it was obvious that he was breaking the rules, but in many other instances, like when he allowed Beckett to remain and work on Keller, or when he let Ronon go into the infected areas, it seemed his will was bent so easily. He may have protested a bit, but ultimately he seemed to have just gone with the flow. He was caught up in the way things in Atlantis works, and I loved how he realized that at the end.

It's just...he was professional the whole way through, and only at the end did he come to realize that there is room for rule-bending within him after all...


I'd say one of the main reasons *why* Woosley complied at all to any suggestions that came off the cuff so to speak, was because he's been prepped from previous SG-1 and SGA eps that not everything works best "according to the rules and regs book."

Especially in a close encounter ep where whatever happened got hushed under the rug, so to speak, Woolsey was forced to adapt (apart from the IOA's rulebooks) to the situation as it came up (and especially in "The Scourge" -- his own life was in danger and he realized how close to death he was -- IF the rules of the regs book were followed exactly..!). The rules and regs were forced to be pushed aside, and for that, I saw potential growth in his character that because he's now been tossed into the fire of complete control, sort of -- still with the IOA looking over his shoulder at various points, I think he'll be fine.

There was another ep he was in, but I don't remember the name or details other than Woolsey admitted that the IOA wouldn't see certain details.. and it was hinted in such a way that it came out appearing that *that* would be the ultimate outcome of whatever the situation was, and it showed tremendous growth of adaption on Woolsey's reporting side and personality.

okay, I finally found the eppy that I was thinking of above.. :D
The following is a scene that was one of those life-changing decision moments for Woolsey during an I.O.A. evaluation of Atlantis.
Conversation is a partial quote from Gateworld's posted transcript for Misbegotten, and bold and italics emphasis mine for clarification of his entire character growth.


(ep title=) "Misbegotten" (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/transcripts/302.shtml)
EPISODE NUMBER - 302
DVD DISC - Season 3, Disc 1

Basic Summary: The Atlantis team must decide the fate of a colony of Wraith they have turned into humans. Dr. Weir must defend her leadership when she is evaluated by the I.O.A.

ATLANTIS. ELIZABETH'S OFFICE. Woolsey, now back in his suit and tie, is sitting opposite Elizabeth and looking at a report.

WOOLSEY: You're still not certain if any of the Wraith on the planet survived.

WEIR: Not certain, no. My people were concerned about their own survival at that time.

WOOLSEY: Understandably.

WEIR: But of course it's my fault they were in that position in the first place. (She smiles nervously at Woolsey but he doesn't notice, still engrossed in the report.) If I had just disposed of those prisoners, none of this would have happened. Isn't that what you're gonna write in your report?

WOOLSEY: Quite the contrary, in fact. (He finally looks up from the report but looks out of the door of the office rather than at her.) It was your decision to fire on the camp from orbit. That eliminated the threat ... (he glances at her briefly) ... at least, we hope it was eliminated -- and allowed your team to escape.

(Elizabeth looks bewildered.)

WEIR: I didn't make that decision.

(Woolsey looks at her.)

WOOLSEY: But you would have, if -- hypothetically -- Doctor McKay had managed to get the hive subspace communicator working and you'd been apprised of the situation.

WEIR: Well, I ... I might have.

WOOLSEY: Close enough.

WEIR: But that's not what happened.

WOOLSEY: The I.O.A. doesn't need to know that. (Elizabeth gazes at him in surprise as he puts the report in his briefcase and closes it.) In fact, they don't wanna know that. (He stands up.) You see, in my business, sometimes it's more important not to let inconvenient facts get in the way of the greater truth. And the truth is, you should remain here -- in charge of this expedition.

(Elizabeth stares at him, then lowers her head, both surprised and touched. Woolsey smiles.)

WOOLSEY: For the moment.

(He walks out of the office and into the Control Room.)

So, essentially, I believe that was another major turning point in Woolsey's life that helped enable to open the door to his being selected to carry over authoritative SGA decisions in Sam and Dr.Weir's absence. I think it should be remembered that he originally showed up at the SGC with all expectations of taking control and having things done strictly and ONLY thru the red tape paperwork of what only (some of) our typical earth's governments seem to be ever capable of.

It's kind of like watching someone, who has had the hard experience of seeing and dealing with the worst of the muck -- like John Sheppard hypothetically saying in Woolsey's face -- (and with as much sarcasm without ending up in a court martial for doing so, too!)
"okay, NEXT *brilliant* (and brainless government c***) idea..??" then grumbles within..!

jelgate
July 20th, 2008, 11:18 AM
So people aren't just content with eye sex, ;) they're now discussing tenticle sex?! :eek:

You dirty lil minxes!! Are you really that desperate for some loving in SGA? ;) :P :D

* feels the need to wash out her brain* :PWhat brain?

Thats kind of hypocritical of you Peg. Aren't you the one who always brings up the B word.:P

Reiko
July 20th, 2008, 11:24 AM
» Tentacle sex is just creepy - tohugh I can imagine it's something Keller may be into (before that last encounter) :P

» Eyesex is fine for me. Really hot, sexy eyesex. :)

Linda06
July 20th, 2008, 11:27 AM
How on earth did this whole subject start :S :rolleyes:

jelgate
July 20th, 2008, 11:30 AM
How on earth did this whole subject start :S :rolleyes:PG15 mentioned it in his review and Linzi made a mention of it in her reply. I should mention I am completely innocent http://bestsmileys.com/angles/5.gif

Cap116
July 20th, 2008, 11:42 AM
I enjoyed the ending when Sheppard talks to Woolsey, and Woolsey learns not everything by the book. Shows the potential that he has. Can't wait to see how he grows with the season.

Pegasus_SGA
July 20th, 2008, 11:45 AM
You...you were speechless? Really?

Wow. ;)


You...shouldn't ask. Trust me.

Just, never ever google it. ;)

I do get speechless now and again, I find it gives GW a few minutes reprieve before I go off on one again. ;)

Hmmmm NEVER? Is that a challenge oh long-winded one? ;)


» Oh, you :P

» Hee, and my OTP had eye!sex, so I suppose that makes me happy :D

What?? I have no idea what you mean. *adjusts her halo* ;) Glad it made you smile. :)


What brain?

Thats kind of hypocritical of you Peg. Aren't you the one who always brings up the B word.:P

HEY!! I'll have you know i've not mentioned the 'B' word once in this thread... every other thread, maybe, but not this one..... Yet! :P


» Tentacle sex is just creepy - tohugh I can imagine it's something Keller may be into (before that last encounter) :P

» Eyesex is fine for me. Really hot, sexy eyesex. :)

Thanks Reiko for that... disturbing image. :lol:


PG15 mentioned it in his review and Linzi made a mention of it in her reply. I should mention I am completely innocent http://bestsmileys.com/angles/5.gif in my wildest dreams

It must be nice living in a fantasy world. ;)

PG15
July 20th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Hmmmm NEVER? Is that a challenge oh long-winded one? ;)



Hey, it's your mental health, not mine. :p

Linda06
July 20th, 2008, 11:55 AM
PG15 mentioned it in his review and Linzi made a mention of it in her reply. I should mention I am completely innocent http://bestsmileys.com/angles/5.gif

Well there's a first time for everything :p

foggygirl
July 20th, 2008, 11:57 AM
If I were going to grade this episode I would give it a B+. It was good but not spectacular. Woolsey's and Keller's introduction as regular cast members seemed to fall a bit flat when they could have amped up the action/drama a bit more in my opinion. Every season there are at least one or two episodes that just don't cut the mustard for me and I guess that "The Seed" was one for this season.

Alipeeps
July 20th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Ok you guys are freakin me out with you're tenticle talk :S ;)

Ok it's actually quite hard to not spell it another way by accident!

It's much easier not to accidentally spell something else if you spell tentacle correctly with an a not an i... ;) :D [/grammar snarkage]

kanadra
July 20th, 2008, 12:17 PM
every one keeps asking if this is how a queen is made . Did any one catch that Major Lauren was showing singes as well stated be wolsey when talking to john in his room I think it was.