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Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Here's a timeline for the Star Trek franchise for all you curious fans. :D

1986 - The Voyage Home (when the Klingon ship and Kirk's crew are in the past)

1990's - Eugenics War

2053 - WW3 ends.
2063 - First warp flight of Earth's first warp ship, the Pheonix, as well as first contact with the Vulcans. This is also the year that the Enterprise-E showed up to stop the Borg from changing history.

2151-52 - Enterprise
2152-53 - Enterprise
2153-54 - Enterprise
2154-55 - Enterprise (current season, we're still in '54)

2266-67 - Star Trek
2267-68 - Star Trek
2268-69 - Star Trek
2271 - The Motion Picture
2285 - The Wrath of Kahn / The Search for Spock
2286 - The Voyage Home
2287 - The Final Frontier
2293 - The Undiscovered Country / Generations (flashback scene)

2364 - The Next Generation
2365 - The Next Generation
2366 - The Next Generation
2367 - The Next Generation
2368 - The Next Generation
2369 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2370 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2371 - Deep Space Nine / Generations / Voyager
2372 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2373 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / First Contact
2374 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2375 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / Insurrection
2376 - Voyager
2377 - Voyager
2379 - Nemesis

Any questions? :)

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 11:02 AM
I thought the current timeline was near 2380. Guess not.

Pretty good timeline, though.

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 11:11 AM
I thought the current timeline was near 2380. Guess not.

Pretty good timeline, though.
You were only a year off, so you were close. Great timeline, although, it is possible that 2053 was when the war started. That part is kinda unclear.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 11:14 AM
I've heard it either started 2053 or 2063. Either one.

Wass
October 29th, 2004, 11:21 AM
Only one problem in STOS Eugenics War is in 1990 but in ST:Enterprise season 4 they mention that the Eugenics War ended only 20 years ago (or somthing like that but it's only been few years) more on that in the up coming ep of Enterprise "Borderland".

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 11:24 AM
So far Enterprise is in 2054, if you're saying it was 20 years ago it would be 2034?

Critter
October 29th, 2004, 11:25 AM
Wow, that's pretty cool that you put that together..a good frame of reference.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 11:27 AM
His reference must've been from Startrek.com

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 11:56 AM
I've heard it either started 2053 or 2063. Either one.
In Star Trek: First Contact, when the Enterprise-E travels back to 2063, Data or Riker said that it was 10 years after the 3rd World War. Thus, WW3 ended in 2053, and probably started sometime durring the 2040's.


Only one problem in STOS Eugenics War is in 1990 but in ST:Enterprise season 4 they mention that the Eugenics War ended only 20 years ago (or somthing like that but it's only been few years) more on that in the up coming ep of Enterprise "Borderland".
It was never said in Enterprise when the Eugenics War occured. The closest referrence we have so far is that Archer's Great-Grandfather fought in the war, but it would have to be his Great-Great-Grandfather, but one could deduce that he didn't feel it neccessary to mention the full title.


His reference must've been from Startrek.com
My referrence for the TOS & Movies 1-5 dates come from the Star Trek: Encyclopedia. The dates for the TNG era can all be deduced from Data mentioning that the year was 2364 in TNG's Season 1 finale "The Neutral Zone." The years arround ENT and earlier have been mentioned on screen. The only years that are uncertain are TOS movies 1-5. :cool:

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:02 PM
Big problems in the time line. Result: causes from temporal agents from the future.

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:06 PM
I thought the current timeline was near 2380. Guess not.

Pretty good timeline, though.
He ended with 2379, so 2380 isn't far off. Same diff.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:08 PM
I'm just picky, that's all. Where do all the New Frontier books take place?

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:14 PM
Here's a timeline for the Star Trek franchise for all you curious fans. :D

1986 - The Voyage Home (when the Klingon ship and Kirk's crew are in the past)

1990's - Eugenics War

2053 - WW3 ends.
2063 - First warp flight of Earth's first warp ship, the Pheonix, as well as first contact with the Vulcans. This is also the year that the Enterprise-E showed up to stop the Borg from changing history.

2151-52 - Enterprise
2152-53 - Enterprise
2153-54 - Enterprise
2154-55 - Enterprise (current season, we're still in '54)

2266-67 - Star Trek
2267-68 - Star Trek
2268-69 - Star Trek
2271 - The Motion Picture
2285 - The Wrath of Kahn / The Search for Spock
2286 - The Voyage Home
2287 - The Final Frontier
2293 - The Undiscovered Country / Generations (flashback scene)

2364 - The Next Generation
2365 - The Next Generation
2366 - The Next Generation
2367 - The Next Generation
2368 - The Next Generation
2369 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2370 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2371 - Deep Space Nine / Generations / Voyager
2372 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2373 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / First Contact
2374 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2375 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / Insurrection
2376 - Voyager
2377 - Voyager
2379 - Nemesis

Any questions? :)
Very good timeline, Daniel Jackson, but of course, you forgot all of the lame temporal screw ups from Voyager and ENT. :P

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Here's a timeline for the Star Trek franchise for all you curious fans. :D

1986 - The Voyage Home (when the Klingon ship and Kirk's crew are in the past)

1990's - Eugenics War

2053 - WW3 ends.
2063 - First warp flight of Earth's first warp ship, the Pheonix, as well as first contact with the Vulcans. This is also the year that the Enterprise-E showed up to stop the Borg from changing history.

2151-52 - Enterprise
2152-53 - Enterprise
2153-54 - Enterprise
2154-55 - Enterprise (current season, we're still in '54)

2266-67 - Star Trek
2267-68 - Star Trek
2268-69 - Star Trek
2271 - The Motion Picture
2285 - The Wrath of Kahn / The Search for Spock
2286 - The Voyage Home
2287 - The Final Frontier
2293 - The Undiscovered Country / Generations (flashback scene)

2364 - The Next Generation
2365 - The Next Generation
2366 - The Next Generation
2367 - The Next Generation
2368 - The Next Generation
2369 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2370 - The Next Generation / Deep Space Nine
2371 - Deep Space Nine / Generations / Voyager
2372 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2373 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / First Contact
2374 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager
2375 - Deep Space Nine / Voyager / Insurrection
2376 - Voyager
2377 - Voyager
2379 - Nemesis

Any questions? :)
The Eugenics Wars were originally in the late 1990s (see "Space Seed" and ST: WOK"), but according to some ST authorities, this was moved up to shortly before First Contact.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Very good timeline, Daniel Jackson, but of course, you forgot all of the lame temporal screw ups from Voyager and ENT. :P

But does that matter? There's always temporal screw ups in Star Trek

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:18 PM
So far Enterprise is in 2054, if you're saying it was 20 years ago it would be 2034?
2154, not 2054. They changed the Eugenics Wars to make it comport with our contemporary timeline.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:19 PM
I am sorry. Didn't type the right numbers

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:23 PM
But does that matter? There's always temporal screw ups in Star Trek
Cuz I hate time travel episodes; it's just bad sci-fi and a cop out. I guess I'm just weird, but I really hate the Voyager/Enterprise time travel stuff, especially the Time Ships and Temporal Cold War. :( I hated that stuff. I was sooo glad when Crewmen Daniels died. If I were Captain Archer, I would have phasered Daniels' head into pulp. I hated him with a passion. I also hated Captain Braxton and that whole arc.

Time travel might not be impossible, but it's really improbable. I didn't mind the Whale movie (Voyage Home), but come on...flying around the sun a few times will take you back to 1986? Nah....impossible! Stupid plots and avoiding writing a decent episode.

LordAnubis
October 29th, 2004, 12:24 PM
I am sorry. Didn't type the right numbers
Don't be sorry. I'm just picky :P. Just kidding. I'm just teasin ya Dude.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:26 PM
D'oh! So was I! :D

Lexx
October 29th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I too have read that the Trek Powers That Be (Berman and Braga) have changed the time period of the Eugenics Wars from the 1990's to around First Contact. The reason they gave was because the 90's have come and gone and there were no Eugenics Wars. A pretty ridiculous reason to mess with continuity if you ask me.

Anyhoo. Great timeline Daniel Jackson :)

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 12:32 PM
I agree with ya Lexx. Good way of pointing it.

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 01:04 PM
The Eugenics Wars were originally in the late 1990s (see "Space Seed" and ST: WOK"), but according to some ST authorities, this was moved up to shortly before First Contact.
Well, the authorities are wrong. According to Manny Coto himself, the Eugenics War will not be moved up. :p Besides, there's no readon to do so. ;) Yes, the 90's have come and gone with no Eugenics War, but if fans can't figure out that Star Trek is FICTION, well... I think they need help. :p

No, Anubis, I'm not talk'n about you, just people in general. lol

greytop
October 29th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Either timeline forgot the beginning of the Federation which plays an important part of the timeline (I think). All I know it is between Enterprise and Star Trek.

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Oopsy, forgot the Romulan War and the founding of the UFP. :eek:

2155-60 - Romulan War
2161 - Founding of the United Federation of Planets

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 01:20 PM
On the Eugenics War front, it happened sometime before 1996. Proof: In "Future's End" Henry Starling had a model of the Botany Bay on his desk.

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 01:54 PM
1996 was the year Khan and his followers were either bannished or escaped, according to Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 02:05 PM
Really? Don't remember that.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 02:55 PM
1996 was the year Khan and his followers were either bannished or escaped, according to Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

They escaped, I know that, but in 1996?

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Oopsy, forgot the Romulan War and the founding of the UFP. :eek:

2155-60 - Romulan War
2161 - Founding of the United Federation of Planets

If the Romulan War was supposed to be from 2155-2160, then wouldn't that happen in Enterprise's fourth or fifth season?

Dahak
October 29th, 2004, 06:52 PM
I too have read that the Trek Powers That Be (Berman and Braga) have changed the time period of the Eugenics Wars from the 1990's to around First Contact. The reason they gave was because the 90's have come and gone and there were no Eugenics Wars. A pretty ridiculous reason to mess with continuity if you ask me.

Anyhoo. Great timeline Daniel Jackson :)

Yep the ST writers should have just stick with their story and let the Eugenics War take place in the 90's and also be WW3.
Now Khan has been nullified. WW3 was the US vs. USSR no wait that fell through so who knows who fought who.
When ST tries to be to cute and fit all of their time travel and "history" together along with the real world they come across even worse. Are they worried that some fan is going to realize that it's not real and quit watching? They have a lot bigger problems than that to worry about like Vulcan and it's amazing coincindental name.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 07:01 PM
What was WW3 all about? I never read anything on it. You sure it was America vs. Russia?

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 08:09 PM
If the Romulan War was supposed to be from 2155-2160, then wouldn't that happen in Enterprise's fourth or fifth season?
It starts in 2155 or 56, so it could start durring late Season 4, any time in Season 5, or early Season 6. It will probably be handled in the upcoming movie though.

Oh, and I saw "Borderland," tonight. They mentioned the Eugenics War as happening in the 20th century. :D

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 08:16 PM
But it's hightly unlikely Enterprise will last to a 5th or 6th season.

Lexx
October 29th, 2004, 08:40 PM
On the Eugenics War front, it happened sometime before 1996. Proof: In "Future's End" Henry Starling had a model of the Botany Bay on his desk.
We know that the Eugenics Wars came to an end officially in 1996. It could've been Khan and friends left Earth a couple months before Voyager showed up. As far as I remember we don't know what month Voyager was there. Also, there was a picture of the Botany Bay lifting off in Sarah Silverman's observatory/office. Just a fun fact for ya :)


Oh, and I saw "Borderland," tonight. They mentioned the Eugenics War as happening in the 20th century.
What part was it mentioned in? I must've missed it or something.

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 08:46 PM
What part was it mentioned in? I must've missed it or something.Phlox was looking at the Augments DNA and said that it seemed awfully advanced for 20th century tech.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 08:57 PM
Maybe he was worried.

Lexx
October 29th, 2004, 09:05 PM
Phlox was looking at the Augments DNA and said that it seemed awfully advanced for 20th century tech.
Ah, thanks. Oddly enough I did hear that, but it just didn't connect in my mind for some reason.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 09:11 PM
Maybe he was half impressed and half worried.

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 09:59 PM
Not totally sure, but you might want to give Voyager one extra year, as it was still 2371 at the beginning of season two (Janeway gives the year in "The '37s")

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Cold Station 12 is up next week. Yippee!

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 10:02 PM
Not totally sure, but you might want to give Voyager one extra year, as it was still 2371 at the beginning of season two (Janeway gives the year in "The '37s")
Actually, VOY Season 2 is 2372. Four episodes were held over from Season 1, including "The 37's," thus the line about it being 2371.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 10:07 PM
The '37's'? See I don't get that.

Daniel Jackson
October 29th, 2004, 10:18 PM
"The 37's," was originally the Season 1 finale, but they decided to hold it over for the Season 2 premiere. It's called "The 37's," becuase it's about Humans abducted from Earth, 1937. ;)

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 10:23 PM
Ok, I get it. I didn't see that episode.

Erik Pasternak
October 29th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Ok, I get it. I didn't see that episode.
That would be a problem.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 30th, 2004, 10:10 AM
That would be a problem.

:D Great, now rocket's makin fun of me, j/k!

Erik Pasternak
October 30th, 2004, 10:42 AM
:D Great, now rocket's makin fun of me, j/k!So you finally found out what goes on around here!:p

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 30th, 2004, 10:44 AM
No, rocket :D I'm just a newbie.

greytop
October 30th, 2004, 08:36 PM
When did Star Fleet Academy come into being?

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 30th, 2004, 09:14 PM
The game? Maybe sometime before or after Star Trek VI. I'm guessing.

greytop
October 30th, 2004, 09:27 PM
The game? Maybe sometime before or after Star Trek VI. I'm guessing.
No, the school. Wesley Crusher attended as did other Star Fleet Officers in the Star Trek Universe.

Daniel Jackson
October 30th, 2004, 09:33 PM
When did Star Fleet Academy come into being?
Probably the same time as Starfleet, sometime around the late 21st century or early 22nd century.

SP90
October 30th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Probably the same time as Starfleet, sometime around the late 21st century or early 22nd century.

I agree, Starfleet existed even before the UFP did. Somehow, after the United Federation of Planets was formed, the four founding memebers decided to commission Starfleet as their primary exploration and defense agency. What I'm trying to say is, why didn't the Vulcan High Command, the Andorian Imperial Guards or the Tellarites head up the task of exploring and defending. Andorian and Vulcan ships were certainly superior to Starfleet vessels of Earth.

As for when, take a look at the Starfleet Academy logo on this page.
http://www.ditl.org/index.htm?daybody=/ships/comnorway.htm
The Roman numerials MMCLXI = 2161. I think thats also the year the UFP was formed so this logo might just represent Starfleet Academy under the UFP charter. Since Starfleet was already around when Archer's mission began in 2151, I would imagine it existed maybe 10 - 15 years before that? Archer did mention in Broken Bow Starfleet hasn't been around for that long.

Daniel Jackson
October 30th, 2004, 10:35 PM
The way I see it, there are two "Starfleets." There's the Earth Starfleet we see in the current show, then we have the new and improved Starfleet which serves the UFP in the previous shows and movies, set in ENT's future.

Erik Pasternak
October 30th, 2004, 11:18 PM
Archer did mention in Broken Bow Starfleet hasn't been around for that long.That's kinda relative. We know that first contact was ninety years ago so it couldn't be any older. And Travis grew up on a cargo ship, so the Earth cargo service has been out there for, say, at least thirty years. I can't imagine them going out there without a military (Starfleet) for protection, just in case. I'd say Starfleet is about forty years old or so.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 07:40 AM
Probably the same time as Starfleet, sometime around the late 21st century or early 22nd century.

I agree. But in Enterprise, it already exists, so maybe early 21st century.

Daniel Jackson
October 31st, 2004, 11:02 AM
Early 21st century would be before the flight of the Pheonix. :p It would have to be late 21st century or early 22nd century, several years before 2151.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 11:23 AM
Good question for the creators of Enterprise.

Erik Pasternak
October 31st, 2004, 11:24 AM
Good question for the creators of Enterprise.
Knowing Manny Coto, he'll probably address it.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM
Knowing Manny Coto, he'll probably address it.

Hmm. Do you think there's gonna be a 5th season?

Erik Pasternak
October 31st, 2004, 11:35 AM
Hmm. Do you think there's gonna be a 5th season?
It's too early to tell. Right know, I could see it going either way.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 11:36 AM
It's too early to tell. Right know, I could see it going either way.

Well, it was gonna go down the drain, but somehow it survived by continuing on for a fourth season.

Erik Pasternak
October 31st, 2004, 11:37 AM
Paramount lowered the asking price, allowing UPN to air it for less. The ratings for ENT haven't increased that much, but the ratings for Friday on UPN have.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 11:42 AM
Really? Enterprise is gettin better ratings, because it moved to Friday nights?

Erik Pasternak
October 31st, 2004, 11:46 AM
Really? Enterprise is gettin better ratings, because it moved to Friday nights?
No, ENT's ratings are pretty much the same, but UPN's friday night ratings are higher than they were when they aired the Friday night movie in that slot.

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 31st, 2004, 11:48 AM
Oh, well. Enterprise is gonna last.

(Got to go eat lunch!)