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GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 02:07 AM
We had a vote on what to do with the S/J Ship Discussion thread. The results can be found HERE (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=5381).

If you look at the graph, Option 1 and Option 5 are almost identical, the main difference being the name. Since nearly as many people voted on Option 1 as voted on Option 5, it seems to indicate that there is a certain amount of popularity for naming the thread S/J Ship Family.

So, this poll is to see if people would like to see the name of the thread changed. Cast your vote now - the poll will be open for the next three days, since a lot of people don't have internet access over the weekend.

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Having got to know folks in the Ship thread over the last few days, and having talked to so many of you, I feel that the real issue here isn't having more than one ship thread.

What people are most passionate about is the Ship Family community they have going here at GateWorld.

Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.

It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.

It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!

astronomicalchick
October 29th, 2004, 02:36 AM
Having got to know folks in the Ship thread over the last few days, and having talked to so many of you, I feel that the real issue here isn't having more than one ship thread.

What people are most passionate about is the Ship Family community they have going here at GateWorld.

Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.

It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.

It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!

Thanks Gipsy.. for all your efforts

Going to vote for Ship Family Thread.

Oooh you're about to turn 1000!

sueKay
October 29th, 2004, 02:38 AM
WOO HOO Gategipsy!!!

I've voted for the family thread.

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 02:54 AM
Thanks Gipsy.. for all your efforts

Going to vote for Ship Family Thread.

Oooh you're about to turn 1000!
And now I have! Woo hoo. Thanks for pointing that out.

**slaps hand for going off topic**

Lunar
October 29th, 2004, 02:56 AM
Gipsy, we don't deserve you. (or our other mod moms) :) You have the patience of a saint and have been extremely understanding given the stupidity of some of us shippers (uh, primarily that would be ME) with regard to the 2 threads...
I was going to say that as a rep point but apparently I have to spread some around before giving some to you... ;)

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 03:14 AM
Thanks Lunar, but you don't need to take the blame! The responsibility is all mine. See I've replaced by big hefty hobnailed boots with carpet slippers. Maybe I'll be able to tread more softly and not on as many toes this way!

Catysg1
October 29th, 2004, 03:17 AM
I think we should mention "shipper " in the title or it may scare the Newbies big time. :)


Caty ;)

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 03:19 AM
Do you think? I didn't think there was much difference between Ship and Shipper ie S/J Shipper Family. What do other's think?

SeaBee
October 29th, 2004, 03:32 AM
I've voted no change, but will be quite happy with either name. :)

As far as ship/shipper, both are good. (although I recently clicked on a thread asking about peoples favourite ship, only to discover they meant SPACEships, not relationships! :o Boy, did I feel foolish!)

Melyanna
October 29th, 2004, 03:59 AM
My problem with renaming it the Ship Family thread is that that sounds exclusive. Anything that seems to reference a pre-established group of people is going to scare off newbies, I think. Leaving the name as it is suggests that it's open to all S/J shippers.

Gate Gipsy, despite what you've said, I think that calling it the "ship family" thread is going to cause more confusion. It sounds like it's a thread only for fluff and not for real discussion. And trust me — when there's new stuff to discuss, we really discuss it!

I'm relatively new to this fandom, but not to online fandom in general, and seriously, if I were new to GW and saw a thread called "ship family", I'd wonder what these people are smoking. And this comes even with knowing most of the general fandom lingo like ship and shipper. "Ship family" is a phrase unique to this group of people, from what I've seen in the other fandoms in which I've been involved. To a newbie, there's nothing clear and unambiguous about it.

I don't think the OT thing is going to be solved by a thread name. It happens occasionally — we're human beings, we digress. This issue has come up before, and the solution basically boils down to people needing to be more considerate in their posting. And if some people really want to have a "serious", non-community thread for S/J, why not let them, regardless of what the poll said? It's clear that some people are unhappy with the way things are run now, so if they want to try a "serious" thread, I say let them. I also say that it'll be dead before January, but that's just my opinion.

EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

Mel

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 04:30 AM
I don't think it sounds exclusive - there are no exclusive threads in GW in that they are all public. If anyone wonders what the thread is about, and why on earth it has that name, the first thing they'll do is go in there and have a look.

And when they do they'll either see something they like or they won't. It won't take long for them to get a flavour of the place and, most likely, drawn in to it.

But it also means that the people who don't want to have the light hearted Ship banter could start a different ship thread if they wanted to. At the moment, with the title of the thread the way it is, no-one has any choice. If they want to talk Ship on GateWorld, they have to join the one single thread that we have. And it is the Ship Family thread, regardless of whether you want to call it that in the title or not. Nearly every post mentions the Ship Family in some way, either in the post or in a sig.

Catysg1
October 29th, 2004, 05:00 AM
Do you think? I didn't think there was much difference between Ship and Shipper ie S/J Shipper Family. What do other's think?


"Ship"is fine ..I didn't see it first time round ..I thought it was the S/J family thread but now that I see the S/J ship family thread ....it's OK ..we want the newbies to join and be part of the ship family ;)


Caty :)

Bagpuss
October 29th, 2004, 06:25 AM
Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.
I've noticed that too . :) Not all J/S Shippers want the "meta discussion",due to pressure of time,and other reasons.They deserve the choice,IMO.

It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.
Clarity is the key word here.

It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.
Otherwise known as freedom of choice. :) One of GW's biggest strengths....and also in full accordance with the rules.


Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!
Nothing wrong with your thinking,IMO. I know this is a cliche,but "the onlooker sees most of the game" ! :D

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 06:46 AM
EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

Mel
Mel....

There IS a thread already for just this discussion...It is called the Ship Discussion Thread and is for ALL Pro/Anti Ship Discussion in a friendly yet lively manner.....So if that is what you are looking for well GW has already done that :D

Just do a search of the Forum OR I am sure someone can provide a link for you and other that want to have a Debate with the Anti Shippers.:)

Edit - found the link http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=88

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 06:53 AM
I don't think it sounds exclusive - there are no exclusive threads in GW in that they are all public. If anyone wonders what the thread is about, and why on earth it has that name, the first thing they'll do is go in there and have a look.

And when they do they'll either see something they like or they won't. It won't take long for them to get a flavour of the place and, most likely, drawn in to it.

But it also means that the people who don't want to have the light hearted Ship banter could start a different ship thread if they wanted to. At the moment, with the title of the thread the way it is, no-one has any choice. If they want to talk Ship on GateWorld, they have to join the one single thread that we have. And it is the Ship Family thread, regardless of whether you want to call it that in the title or not. Nearly every post mentions the Ship Family in some way, either in the post or in a sig.
Gategipsy I am in agreement with you :)

I see no reason not to Name one thread The S/J Ship Family discussion Thread and Another The S/J Serious Discussion Thread...It is what the thread is about..

If people are going to continue to get hung up on semantics we are never going to get anywhere :S

It offers an option and there is nothing wrong with that.........Granted the *Family* thread DEFINITELY gets into some very serious discussion when the show is running new episodes and we all know that......but since this has happened and some would like to have year round serious discussion let them....move on.....We who have been enjoying the thread the way it has been KNOW what it is and what we discuss and can continue to enjoy it...Let anyone who is a long time poster or a newbie make that choice for themselves

And I would like to also add my thanks once again to Gategipsy for ALL her hard work trying to resolve this issue.........

So When do we get to go back to being a family :) and shipping for Sam & Jack :) and eating cookies and dancing with penguins and JUST ENJOYING EACH OTHER :D

Token
October 29th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Mel....

There IS a thread already for just this discussion...It is called the Ship Discussion Thread and is for ALL Pro/Anti Ship Discussion in a friendly yet lively manner.....So if that is what you are looking for well GW has already done that :D

Just do a search of the Forum OR I am sure someone can provide a link for you and other that want to have a Debate with the Anti Shippers.:)

Edit - found the link http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=88True. I think since J/S Ship is a hot topic (like S/J themselves ;) ) Pro-S/J Shippers should have a "serious only" thread where they feel safe from differing opinions. I do believe there is a Anti-S/J Ship discussion thread plus the Ship Discussion thread and the Pro-S/J Ship Discussion and to make it complete we just need the "On Topic Only" Pro-S/J Ship thread. And if the Anti-S/J Ship need a "On Topic Only" thread, let them have that too. JMHO

ETA: Tame, LURVE your new sig line! :rolleyes: :p

Bagpuss
October 29th, 2004, 06:58 AM
My problem with renaming it the Ship Family thread is that that sounds exclusive. Anything that seems to reference a pre-established group of people is going to scare off newbies, I think. Leaving the name as it is suggests that it's open to all S/J shippers.
I take your point,but let's take the off-topic Thread "Ask a Mod",...despite the title,anyone's welcome to drop in to help out the people asking questions there !! (Anything that helps out Posters and Mods is fine by me ! :cool: )

I think that calling it the "ship family" thread is going to cause more confusion. It sounds like it's a thread only for fluff and not for real discussion. And trust me — when there's new stuff to discuss, we really discuss it!
Perhaps it may sound "Fluffy" ,but as you say,the new eps will get us all on-topic,whatever the title ,IMO.

I'm relatively new to this fandom, but not to online fandom in general, and seriously, if I were new to GW and saw a thread called "ship family", I'd wonder what these people are smoking. And this comes even with knowing most of the general fandom lingo like ship and shipper. "Ship family" is a phrase unique to this group of people, from what I've seen in the other fandoms in which I've been involved. To a newbie, there's nothing clear and unambiguous about it.
That's where GW J/S hospitality,warmth,and your FAQ,and other helpful things come in. :cool:

I don't think the OT thing is going to be solved by a thread name. It happens occasionally — we're human beings, we digress. This issue has come up before, and the solution basically boils down to people needing to be more considerate in their posting. And if some people really want to have a "serious", non-community thread for S/J, why not let them, regardless of what the poll said? It's clear that some people are unhappy with the way things are run now, so if they want to try a "serious" thread, I say let them. I also say that it'll be dead before January, but that's just my opinion.
You're right. :D We're Human.That alone entitles us to individuality.I think being human is a mix of many things,and just as there's no perfect answer to loads of things in RL,matters of semantics, and opinions, here on GW, are a matter of personal choice.

As to a second serious on-topic discussion thread : let's wait and see,once the voting and decisions are finalised ? :)
I'm an optimist,and I know one thing,the Ship Family is strong,loyal and dedicated to Sam/Jack Shipping and to each other.We'll be Ok !

EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

Mel
That sounds good.....I suppose the Ship Discussion thread,could be the place or maybe not. :S
Trouble is,the wording would be the crucial thing.Good thought ,though !

(Please don't feel I'm attacking your post or you either,Mellyanna. It's just that I have a long experience of negotiation and peace-keeping on several Committees I've belonged to."Compromise" is my stance on just about everything ,lol ! :D )

astronomicalchick
October 29th, 2004, 07:01 AM
Gategipsy I am in agreement with you :)

I see no reason not to Name one thread The S/J Ship Family discussion Thread and Another The S/J Serious Discussion Thread...It is what the thread is about..

If people are going to continue to get hung up on semantics we are never going to get anywhere :S

It offers an option and there is nothing wrong with that.........Granted the *Family* thread DEFINITELY gets into some very serious discussion when the show is running new episodes and we all know that......but since this has happened and some would like to have year round serious discussion let them....move on.....We who have been enjoying the thread the way it has been KNOW what it is and what we discuss and can continue to enjoy it...Let anyone who is a long time poster or a newbie make that choice for themselves

And I would like to also add my thanks once again to Gategipsy for ALL her hard work trying to resolve this issue.........

So When do we get to go back to being a family :) and shipping for Sam & Jack :) and eating cookies and dancing with penguins and JUST ENJOYING EACH OTHER :D

the penguins are just waiting for their orders...

"SG-Penguins, you have a go"

Jeez I'm so silly...

Thanks to GG to, good work!

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 07:48 AM
the penguins are just waiting for their orders...

"SG-Penguins, you have a go"

Jeez I'm so silly...

Thanks to GG to, good work!
And AstroChick - the first poll has closed and the decision was that we stick with the way things were. So that's where your penguins belong!

This is a completely new thread, because the vote was actually a close one.

30 people voted to go back to the way things were but 25 people voted to stay with the old thread, only rename it the S/J Ship Family thread.

That means that over all 55 voters (out of about 71 I believe) wanted to keep the original thread. However nearly half of them wanted to change the name of it.

Personally, I can see the huge benefits in changing the name. It would mean that the thread was firmly identified with the Ship Family, and all it's fluffy, serious and OT chat. And it also meant that people who wanted different kinds of ship dicussions would have the freedom to open other threads, without the complaint that they were duplicating threads.

Melyanna
October 29th, 2004, 09:26 AM
Not long after I started hanging out in the ship thread, the name was changed from "Ship Discussion" to "Shipper", because of the consistent level of meta-content. This was supposed to shift the emphasis from "you may only discuss S/J" to "this is a place for S/J shippers to discuss S/J and related topics." "Related topics" were the things developed by the posters on the thread and therefore on topic. So there is another option for people who want a ship discussion thread — name it the "S/J Ship Discussion Thread". Easy as that.

I still contend that "ship family" is an excluding term to new people, because they most likely aren't going to understand what that means at first glance. Quite frankly, it sounds like a clique. Public thread or not, it's going to look like "this is a thread for a certain group of people," and it's probably going to prevent some new people from posting. On the other hand, "shipper" is a generic term that's used in ALL fandoms. Someone coming here with previous experience in the Harry Potter fandom, for instance, is going to know exactly what the thread is for. You say that people would click on "ship family" out of curiosity, but I think it's far more likely that people are going to look through the thread titles, not see a shipper thread, and think there isn't one. Or worse, that you have to be a part of a specific group of people to be able to post in the thread.

We're being told a lot that newbies feel intimidated by the thread. How is changing the name to yet another in-thread phenomenon going to help matters at all?

GateGipsy
October 29th, 2004, 09:35 AM
If that was the case with the name change then sorry, but that completely passed me by. It would be more helpful if the first post in the thread actually stated that, then I'd know exactly what the thread is for.

Like it or not the Ship Family is a clique. It's just an all encompassing and all embracing friendly kind of clique. Hiding that from the subject of the thread isn't going to change that at all. All it does is make people feel perplexed - they go into the thread expecting a certain type of discussion maybe, and perhaps are greeted by three or four pages on penguins and cookies. However, having it called Ship Family means that they know already that it is a 'different' kind of place, and they're far more likely to get into the spirit of it.

Plus I like the name 'ship family'. It makes it sound like a cosy, friendly place to be. If I was new to the boards, a thread with that name is the first that I'd open.

I wouldn't say that the reason we're doing all this is because newbies feel intimidated by the current thread. I'd say Part, and only part, of the reason we're doing it so that newbies aren't confused by it.

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 09:55 AM
If that was the case with the name change then sorry, but that completely passed me by. It would be more helpful if the first post in the thread actually stated that, then I'd know exactly what the thread is for.

Like it or not the Ship Family is a clique. It's just an all encompassing and all embracing friendly kind of clique. Hiding that from the subject of the thread isn't going to change that at all. All it does is make people feel perplexed - they go into the thread expecting a certain type of discussion maybe, and perhaps are greeted by three or four pages on penguins and cookies. However, having it called Ship Family means that they know already that it is a 'different' kind of place, and they're far more likely to get into the spirit of it.

Plus I like the name 'ship family'. It makes it sound like a cosy, friendly place to be. If I was new to the boards, a thread with that name is the first that I'd open.

I wouldn't say that the reason we're doing all this is because newbies feel intimidated by the current thread. I'd say Part, and only part, of the reason we're doing it so that newbies aren't confused by it.
Again Gategipsy...I am in agreement...I don't think that putting the word *Family* puts a negative connotation on the thread UNLESS someone wants it to be that way. The fact is The SHipper Thread is a Bit *different* and that is one of the VERY reasons so many people HAVE gravitated to it.....It is OPEN, It is FRIENDLY ..It is EMBRACING....It has become a FAMILY...AND it NEVER turns anyone away NEVER....each person has the choice if they want to join. We all have been there and we all do *try* very hard to embrace the new people...and for those that the WHOLE package ...cookies, penguins, banter AND DISCUSSION is what they want they do find a way to be part and HEARD.

But it is a cligue in a sense...we are the SHippers...We are asking the Mods to keep UN Pro Sam & Jack sentiment OUT so that is cliquey

To much is being placed on finding what is negative about this instead of finding the positive...There are many that have seen that this will work and so now lets make it work AND lets make sure that the confusion is kept as little as possible SO we don't have to do this again..:D

Melyanna
October 29th, 2004, 09:55 AM
I'm coming at this from the perspective of having been a long-time poster and moderator of other sites, some quite large. I've seen this kind of thing before, and while it's usually done with the best of intentions, it rarely causes less confusion. Usually, it makes the situation worse.

I remember one incident — there was a Yoda discussion/appreciation/fan thread that was for some reason called "The Blue Yoda Society". It was some inside term that the group had come up with. 90% of the people posting in the thread for the first time posted some variation of "What the heck is this?"

I realize this isn't quite so extreme, but I still think that "ship family" is too much of an inside term to really use it as the thread name. For one thing, the first thing I think of when I see it is (still) that it's a class of boats.

I just don't see how this is going to solve anything. Editing the first post of the thread to indicate that the thread is for discussion of S/J Plus would do the same thing, without potentially confusing people with unfamiliar terminology.

EDIT: Also, we've got an FAQ in progress. Can we wait until that's had at least a test run before changing the name? It seems like we're rushing around to find a solution for the perceived problem without waiting to see which solution is working because we've got half a dozen going at once.

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 09:58 AM
I am still NOT seeing how the S/J Shipper Family Discussion Thread is confusing NOR is it a deterrant to a newbie in my eyes

dipsofjazz
October 29th, 2004, 10:43 AM
I am still NOT seeing how the S/J Shipper Family Discussion Thread is confusing NOR is it a deterrant to a newbie in my eyes
I agree with you, Tame. When I was a newbie to the boards I would lurk in various threads to find out what it was all about. Once I found the "feel" of the thread I liked, I would post. I don't see how the name change would cause any problem. If you look at the names of many of the other threads here in Gateworld, it's difficult to know what they're about. You just have to read them and all will be revealed! For me, personally, part of the fun at Gateworld is to look around...it's amazing the fun and frivolity that ensues over the board, aswell as the serious discussions.
If people can't be bothered to read even a small amount of posts in a particular thread before they post, then they run the threat of being off-topic or breaking forum rules etc. That goes for every thread in Gateworld.
If I saw "S/J Shipper Family", I would have a look to see what this thread was all about. I would do my lurking before making any judgement. Am I the only person around that likes to know what's going on, before sticking my oar in?
Family Thread, to me, means a friendly place, and I really don't see the problem.

Bagpuss
October 29th, 2004, 10:46 AM
We seem to be in a no-win situation for some J/S Shippers,whatever the result of this vote,IMO. :(

I just noticed that there are currently 1580 General Discussion threads available to choose from.

Why should one more J/S related topic thread make any difference ?
Why the semantics ?

These are not rhetorical nor angry questions.Just a sincere effort to understand the defensive mood among my fellow Shippers. :)

Also there are 2 Daniel Threads,and 2 Sheppard / Flannigan Threads.
The Posters on those threads and many other Discussion/Thunk threads seem happy,IMO.No divisions,that I can see as an outsider looking in .


When I go for a takeaway,I may visit the same place,but I try new menu items,rather than stick to the same safe choices ......point ends. ;)

Token
October 29th, 2004, 11:41 AM
We seem to be in a no-win situation for some J/S Shippers,whatever the result of this vote,IMO. :(

I just noticed that there are currently 1580 General Discussion threads available to choose from.

Why should one more J/S related topic thread make any difference ?
Why the semantics ?

These are not rhetorical nor angry questions.Just a sincere effort to understand the defensive mood among my fellow Shippers. :)

Also there are 2 Daniel Threads,and 2 Sheppard / Flannigan Threads.
The Posters on those threads and many other Discussion/Thunk threads seem happy,IMO.No divisions,that I can see as an outsider looking in .


When I go for a takeaway,I may visit the same place,but I try new menu items,rather than stick to the same safe choices ......point ends. ;)I'm going to attempt to answer this question from my OWN opinion. There have been complaints from other forum members that the S/J Shippers had too many threads. A decision was made to consolidate them into one. We asked permission from Darren to hold a special Ship Day thread. If we were sticking by GW rules would we have had to ask permission? Maybe not, but to discourage any complaints we asked first. I think the same is here. Some would like to start an "On Topic S/J Ship" thread (which would be within their rights), but feel that Darren and the mods might have seen it as a duplicate thread (that is up until now). If a distiction can be clearly made between two pro-S/J ship threads, then I don't see the problem. JMHO

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 12:32 PM
TOKEN!!!!! I LOVE YOU SIG....... Follow me and we shall find Jack...eat green Jello and be smothered in Lurve !!!!!

blueiris
October 29th, 2004, 01:03 PM
I am not voting. I wait with the penguins for orders.


(have to watch where I step around here with these birds)

Bagpuss
October 29th, 2004, 01:04 PM
I'm going to attempt to answer this question from my OWN opinion. There have been complaints from other forum members that the S/J Shippers had too many threads. A decision was made to consolidate them into one. We asked permission from Darren to hold a special Ship Day thread. If we were sticking by GW rules would we have had to ask permission? Maybe not, but to discourage any complaints we asked first. I think the same is here. Some would like to start an "On Topic S/J Ship" thread (which would be within their rights), but feel that Darren and the mods might have seen it as a duplicate thread (that is up until now). If a distiction can be clearly made between two pro-S/J ship threads, then I don't see the problem. JMHO
Thank you,Token. :) Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Amen to the "distinction",then.I won't post again,on this thread.
I think I've said enough here ! :o

astronomicalchick
October 29th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Again Gategipsy...I am in agreement...I don't think that putting the word *Family* puts a negative connotation on the thread UNLESS someone wants it to be that way. The fact is The SHipper Thread is a Bit *different* and that is one of the VERY reasons so many people HAVE gravitated to it.....It is OPEN, It is FRIENDLY ..It is EMBRACING....It has become a FAMILY...AND it NEVER turns anyone away NEVER....each person has the choice if they want to join. We all have been there and we all do *try* very hard to embrace the new people...and for those that the WHOLE package ...cookies, penguins, banter AND DISCUSSION is what they want they do find a way to be part and HEARD.

But it is a cligue in a sense...we are the SHippers...We are asking the Mods to keep UN Pro Sam & Jack sentiment OUT so that is cliquey

To much is being placed on finding what is negative about this instead of finding the positive...There are many that have seen that this will work and so now lets make it work AND lets make sure that the confusion is kept as little as possible SO we don't have to do this again..:D

I agree, there has been too much emphasis on the negative about the "Family" being a clique, it is I suppose but like Tame (and Gipsy) says very welcoming and friendly. I just feel that having Family in the title will tell people that it is something different from pure Ship Discussion and those who don't have time to wade through rafts and rafts of penguins, and cookies and banter can quickly get to serious chat and spoiler info...

JMHO

TameFarrar
October 29th, 2004, 04:59 PM
so waiting to have a cookie :D :D

SG1Poz
October 29th, 2004, 08:00 PM
I agree, there has been too much emphasis on the negative about the "Family" being a clique, it is I suppose but like Tame (and Gipsy) says very welcoming and friendly. I just feel that having Family in the title will tell people that it is something different from pure Ship Discussion and those who don't have time to wade through rafts and rafts of penguins, and cookies and banter can quickly get to serious chat and spoiler info...

JMHO
To put it simply, when the serious "Ship" discussion runs it's course, the fun begins mainly because the repetitiveness which naturally causes boredom after a while. If a newbie wanders in during the silly, fun and *fluff* times they may wonder what's up but if they as I did, do a little searching back in the archives, they'd see the serious discussions about our favorite couple:) I just repeated what many have already said didn't I?

Sg1Poz

GateGipsy
November 1st, 2004, 01:55 AM
The poll has closed, and the name change option has won. But only by one vote!