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April 23rd, 2008, 10:02 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 3005</FONT>
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As the Sontarans launch their attack on Earth by unleashing poison gas into the atmosphere, the Doctor must deal with a missing TARDIS and a mole in his midst.

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Iratus
May 3rd, 2008, 12:20 PM
Great episode. Made me laugh when the Dr said 'Are you my mummy' when they all had the gas masks on.
Was rose saying something when she appeared on the TARDIS screen?
So what race next wants to turn Earth into their breeding/cloning ground.

Madeleine
May 3rd, 2008, 12:24 PM
Too many fab moments in this one for me to remember, but here are a mere few of the ones that made my inner fangirl dance jigs and fling streamers:

The Brigadier is alive and well!

Rose?! I'm surprised at how much of a thrill I got from that split-second shot of her.

Martha's first instinct is to hug the Doctor; for Donna, that's the second instinct after thumping him. I love Donna.

An axe! Someone had a brain, at least.

Are you my mummy? :D:D:D

Burning skies, wonderfully exciting SFX there.

Clone!Martha turned out to be a sort-of good guy. Rather sweet, she was.

Nice that the geek students were reasonably sane and not all like their mentor.

LOL at how the doctor dealt with geek-nutter's gun.

Another "What? WHAT?" moment; nice ending.

Next week? Crikey, looks like a big deal....

knowles2
May 3rd, 2008, 12:37 PM
I absolutely love this episode, favorite of the season. Love it when unit went in and started kicking aliens (soltarians)butts. I also love it when the valiant flew in and bombarded the factory. And it was pretty smart using it engines to blow away the gas.

I also like the way the humans actually help save the planet this time, to me it seem more like partnership and than just the doctor doing it, for a change.

And it nice to actually see our weapons having a effect on the enemy. A bit odd that soltarians did not seem all that powerful to me when engage with the right bullets.

Their was not one thing that I did not like about this episodes, may actually seeing the valiant fly in space, would of been cool but I doubt it has that capability.

Does anyone here actually want to earth to fight a full interstellar war with the doctor in the middle or actually helping humans win it.

The_Carpenter
May 3rd, 2008, 12:39 PM
Good conclusion to part one...

though the burning off the gas in the atmosphere was a bit suspect, normally burning off a an atmosphere results in a dead world :mckay:

Pvt. Ross Jenkins died :( There goes my hopes for him as companion in season 5

Liked that the traitorous genius sacrificed himself to save the planet (though it wouldn't of needed saving if he wasn't a naive short sighted idiot)

We got to see the Valient again YAY

Mention of the Brig :)

more thoughts after I rewatch it.... had my housemates badgering about making a racket in the kitchen :(

Ohhh and the next trailer.... have been looking forward to this one since I heard about it :D

Looks like it may well be his actual daughter and not a clone.... in which case how come he didnt know she survived the time war?

And does she have some kind of control over the TARDIS?

Cant wait for next week :D

Alipeeps
May 3rd, 2008, 01:21 PM
"Are you my mummy?" BWAH!! Awesome! So perfect!

Also, mention of the Brigadier to please the Classic fans. :D

This was a good episode - better than the first part. It nicely fulfilled the promise of the first part, which was a lot about setting the scene, and the reveal of the Sontaran's true plan and the resolution of that was great. Some really lovely moments in there too - loved the two companions different reactions when the Doctor returns safe and sound. Martha rushes to hug him and Donna thumps him one for scaring them so much! :lol:

Tiny nitpick on the idea of igniting the atmosphere - wouldn't that also burn off the oxygen and uhhhh.. leave everybody to suffocate to death? :S Looked cool though. Awesome use of the Valient too.

I liked that the Doctor wasn't fooled by Clone!Martha for a second and thought the idea of him relying on Donna to save the day, being reluctant and regretful at having to put her in that situation, was wonderful. Those were truly tense moments where the companion, all alone, had to sneak through the enemy ship, fearing at any moment she'd be discovered. And if she was, there'd be nothing to Doctor could do to save her.

Next week looks fab! I wasn't sure about the concept when I first heard about it but the idea is growing on me and the trailer looked great! :D

knowles2
May 3rd, 2008, 02:00 PM
Ohhh and the next trailer.... have been looking forward to this one since I heard about it :D

Looks like it may well be his actual daughter and not a clone.... in which case how come he didnt know she survived the time war?

And does she have some kind of control over the TARDIS?

Cant wait for next week :D

Actually I think it is a clone, created from the hand, that why they showed the hand several times. If it was his real daughter we would not of needed to see the hand. Plus I read somewhere that the hand would have it's mini story arc, sound like that would be it.

I think that the hand and her being connected has drag the tardis to where ever she is.

Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2008, 02:21 PM
Loved this one. UNIT actually being competent on their own works for me every time, so I was in raptures when the Doctor was impressed by the Colonel's plan.

(Next week on... spoilers)
I think that the hand and her being connected has drag the tardis to where ever she is.

I reckon far future, because it didn't look like present day and that's the only other time the hand has been to. Plus, who more likely than the Master to clone the Doctor into a supersoldier?

Reefgirl
May 3rd, 2008, 02:38 PM
Al lot better than the first part, so where to start,

Is it me or did Rose look like she was trying to warn Donna about something?

The Brig is mentioned and what's he doing in Peru?

"Are You My Mummy" I was sooooo waiting for Jack to appear, at least he got a mention

The Daedalus Valliant back again

Thank %&?£ for Donna's mum, now I know where Donna get's it from

I thought the burning atmosphere was a bit suspect too, good bit of FX tho

Poor Ross, a 'Red Shirt' if ever I saw one, damn shame

The nutty genius sacrificing himself to save those he nearly destroyed, in a fit of remorse :rolleyes: gimme a break

I love Bernard Cribbins' Gramps he's one of the best reoccuring characters ever in New Who

As for next week

Could the Doctor's Daughter be the hand that picked up Ming the Merciless The Master's ring?

Roll on next week

Alipeeps
May 3rd, 2008, 03:48 PM
Is it me or did Rose look like she was trying to warn Donna about something?

I thought it looked like she was shouting "Doctor!" - as though she is trying to contact/find a way through to the Doctor.

Matt G
May 3rd, 2008, 04:16 PM
1. Liked the fact that the Doctor saw through Martha-clone early on!

2. Liked the fact that Earth was able to play a decent part in saving it's own backside(so much for not being able to fight the Sontarans!)

3. Could relate to the Sontaran's proxy to an extent but would still whack him if I saw him.

4. Rose again! Hmmm...

The doctor's daughter? WEll technicallly the Doctor had a granddaughter in the old school series so could this individual be Susan's Mum after several regens?

Alipeeps
May 3rd, 2008, 05:06 PM
Guys, can I play mum for a moment and remind everyone that any spoilers/speculation etc for episodes beyond The Poison Sky need to be spoiler-tagged in this thread.

Cheers. :)

Willow'sCat
May 3rd, 2008, 06:06 PM
This series is looking like a really tepid one.:( I haven't found much beyond Donna (& of course The Doctor) to like about any of the episodes so far, Martha being in so many episodes is just painful for me to watch and Rose being the "Bad Wolf" "Torchwood" of the series is getting on my nerves no end.

While a kid probably loved this episode I found it lack any real story, all The Doctor did was run around yelling, barely thought beyond two seconds ahead and really I expect way more.

Sorry, but I bloody do!

Two things I liked, "Are you my mummy?" and the mention of Jack was nice but explain what The Doctor meant? The t-shirt and the clone reference? Was this just a clever nod to what is to come or something else? I was a bit lost there.

Maybe it is a blessing that next year we will only be getting specials, maybe they all need a good long break to get back to the magic that was in series one and two and the latter part of series 3. There have been far too many misses in the last 18 episodes of the show, I want a few more hits.

Don't even get me started on the premise of next week's ep. :cool: I just hope it is closer to a great episode then say a "Daleks in Manhattan" type episode. She is Rose's child right? *shrugs* I wouldn't put it passed them.

Either that, or RTD has gone completely mad :p and it is Jack's and The Doctor's daughter... yes! LOL :p

*goes off to re-watch The Doctor Dances*

Gate-builder
May 3rd, 2008, 07:22 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode. Much better than the rubbish Helen Raynor came out with last season.

Loved the "are you my mummy" bit

I think Rose said 'Doctor.' Don't think Donna saw her though, she didn't seem very surprised to see a random face show up if she did. And how was Rose able to make herself show up on the TARDIS screen anyway?

Regarding next weeks episode, does anyone else think the doctors daughter is very un-doctorish? Running around with guns and everything.

P-90_177
May 3rd, 2008, 10:22 PM
Right........This Episode............THE BEST YET this season. No two ways about it. It was just fantastic. I'll have to write more about it but I can't be bothered right now but I'll watchi it again then come back.

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2008, 10:25 PM
Is it just me, or is this the Season of References? In this ep alone we get Jack, "Are you my mummy?" the Valiant, the Hand, Rose, and probably a couple of other things I'm forgetting about. LOVE it. :)

For all that I loathe the thought of that whiny brat Rose coming back, I'm resigned to it and am a bit curious as to how it'll play out. Is she trying to find him in order to solve a problem in her 'verse? And is she connected with the "lost" worlds? 'Cos if there's a world lost for every attempt she makes to try and break through to our 'verse, well, that might be interesting. ;)

Was very sorry to see Ross go. I had a bad feeling he was toast, but it was still sad to see. Yay for Donna's mum and the ax. That's kinda what I was waiting for Donna to do last week, so I'm glad SOMEONE thought of it and it being her "obnoxious" mother is a good touch, IMO.

My thought on the whole "igniting the sky" thing is that the device was at atmospheric converter, right? So yes, it DID ignite the sky, but at the same time it was converting it back to Earth-normal atmosphere. Er... right? The science is probably dodgy (imagine that!) but that's what I got from it, anyway.

Can't say I'm very impressed by the Sontarans. Nor all that impressed by UNIT, quite frankly. Did they always ignore the Doctor so thoroughly, or is this one of those "rites of passage" things and next time maybe they'll pay more attention to what he has to say? That kiss thing at the end? Seemed kinda lame and tacky to me. More eye-rolling than amusing.

Previews for next week... Yeah, she does seem a bit Rose-like, doesn't she? Being blonde and all. ;) I dunno about her being a clone, though. When I saw the Hand I immediately thought of Jack, although, alas, I don't think he's due to appear. Not yet anyway. *fingers crossed* HOWEVER, the Hand was Jack's Doctor Detector and my guess is that someone is using the Hand in order to call the Doctor to wherever. Boy, if Jack could have managed THAT little trick he'd have saved himself a lot of time and effort. ;)

Of course, I also don't think she's a "true" daughter, so I'm not sure what other options there are unless someone used a genetic sample from the Doctor and combined it with a genetic sample from someone else. Or it's something really out there. LOL!

"Are you my mummy?" Hee! That never gets old... :D

Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2008, 10:50 PM
Nor all that impressed by UNIT, quite frankly. Did they always ignore the Doctor so thoroughly, or is this one of those "rites of passage" things and next time maybe they'll pay more attention to what he has to say? That kiss thing at the end? Seemed kinda lame and tacky to me. More eye-rolling than amusing.

But she's a girly! Girlies are all emotional and impulsive and bad at sports!

Or in other words, yeah; tell me about it. so much for professionalism. How many Armageddons did Liz Shaw get through without needing to snog anyone?

I actually liked that they went ahead and did their own thing... and it worked. UNIT work best, for me, when they're the alternative to the Doctor. The Brigadier was always at loggerheads with him over whether to break out the bazookas, and as much as the Doctor always advised the careful approach, Sir Alastair's way worked; to a point at least. And I loved the fact that, when it came right down to it, the Colonel did have a plan, and that it involved something we'd seen before instead of pure deus ex.

And if the converter's fireball can blow up a spaceship and it swept the Earth's atmosphere at altitude... Well, no wonder the bees have bogged off.

(Next week on... spoilers)


Yeah, she does seem a bit Rose-like, doesn't she? Being blonde and all. ;) I dunno about her being a clone, though. When I saw the Hand I immediately thought of Jack, although, alas, I don't think he's due to appear. Not yet anyway. *fingers crossed* HOWEVER, the Hand was Jack's Doctor Detector and my guess is that someone is using the Hand in order to call the Doctor to wherever. Boy, if Jack could have managed THAT little trick he'd have saved himself a lot of time and effort. ;)

My theory is that the Master cloned her from the Doctor's hand. It didn't look like present day Earth, and the far future is the only other time the hand has been (I may have said that much already). He cloned her and trained her to use her Time Lord instincts (perfect timing and manifold, super-acute senses) to be a perfect warrior. He was probably waiting to bring her out as the leader of his armies as a final kick in the, um, teeth to the defeated Doctor. She may or may not have been the one taking the ring at the end.

I think (hope? pray?) that the blonde is less because she's Rose's daughter than because she's Peter Davison and Sandra Dickinson's.

Of course, blonde kung-fu chick vs pointy-teethed people-eaters may seem a little bit familiar...[/QUOTE]

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2008, 11:44 PM
Might wanna fix those tags there, Proph. ;)

I suppose I can see that working, and it does still tie things together in an interesting way. Also a bit weird and creepy, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. LOL!

Major Clanger
May 4th, 2008, 02:19 AM
I absolutely loved how this used backstory to help us along. Valiant? Brilliant. Colonel not a total blimp? Fantastic.

Mention of the Brigadier? Nearly had me doing a fangrrl dance.

Fantastic.

Pitry
May 4th, 2008, 03:17 AM
Brilliant!
Are you my mummy! The Brigadier (hey I'm just watching the Pertwee years now...)! Rose! Jack mention! "Being stuck on this planet like an ordinary human, no offence meant.."! Ross died :(. Donna not trusting the Doctor blindly and questioning him about sending her alone in a ship full opf Sontarans! First hitting him and then hugging him! The Valiant!

And I love Wilf. Seriuosly. Why can't Donna invite him over for a trip or two? :(

And next week's trailer! Coolness.

Also, I have to admit the list of countries with nuclear weapons made me chuckle. Oh, the diplomacy..

Willow'sCat
May 4th, 2008, 03:17 AM
Oh...is she Peter's daughter? Oh well that changes everything. :D:p I am gonna love her! That is so cool, like really she is The Doctor's daughter. :p

I have been avoiding reading any info on the new series, I just don't want to be spoiled.

One thing though, if she is a clone shouldn't she be male and look like The Doctor? How's her being female and completely different looking suppose to work then? Major advanced cloning techniques... well of course.

Hmm, on UNIT. They have always yelled at The Doctor. Usually never listen to him until it is almost too late and basically were used on the show to slow down the The Doctor's efforts as a means to create drama and suspense.

You look at eps like Robot, UNIT were totally in the way.:cool: They made the dam thing grow! :p

Alipeeps
May 4th, 2008, 04:08 AM
Is it just me, or is this the Season of References? In this ep alone we get Jack, "Are you my mummy?" the Valiant, the Hand, Rose, and probably a couple of other things I'm forgetting about. LOVE it. :)

Well RTD has said that there is no Saxon/Torchwood/Bad Wolf running theme this season but that rather one element of each episode will be relevant in the final episode. Or something like that. :) But yeah, I do love that the series has gone on long enough now that they can be a little self-referential and do that kind of thing. :)



Previews for next week... Yeah, she does seem a bit Rose-like, doesn't she? Being blonde and all. ;) I dunno about her being a clone, though. When I saw the Hand I immediately thought of Jack, although, alas, I don't think he's due to appear. Not yet anyway. *fingers crossed* HOWEVER, the Hand was Jack's Doctor Detector and my guess is that someone is using the Hand in order to call the Doctor to wherever. Boy, if Jack could have managed THAT little trick he'd have saved himself a lot of time and effort. ;)

Of course, I also don't think she's a "true" daughter, so I'm not sure what other options there are unless someone used a genetic sample from the Doctor and combined it with a genetic sample from someone else. Or it's something really out there. LOL!

"Are you my mummy?" Hee! That never gets old... :D

My take on the trailer for next week is that it's related to the hand being a Doctor detector - hence the shots that kept focusing on it bubbling (as it did when it detected the Doctor for Jack). I wondered if the hand suddenly detected the Doctor's Daughter (cos really, a major question that needs to be answered is how come she's alive, another Time Lord/Lady, and the Doctor didn't know it/couldn't sense it?) and the TARDIS took matters into its own "hands" and headed for the signal - the Doctor does have a somewhat symbiotic relationship with the TARDIS and maybe it acted on his loneliness and upon detecting his daughter headed there post haste? No? Anyone? Bueller?


(Next week on... spoilers)


My theory is that the Master cloned her from the Doctor's hand. It didn't look like present day Earth, and the far future is the only other time the hand has been (I may have said that much already). He cloned her and trained her to use her Time Lord instincts (perfect timing and manifold, super-acute senses) to be a perfect warrior. He was probably waiting to bring her out as the leader of his armies as a final kick in the, um, teeth to the defeated Doctor. She may or may not have been the one taking the ring at the end.

I think (hope? pray?) that the blonde is less because she's Rose's daughter than because she's Peter Davison and Sandra Dickinson's.

Of course, blonde kung-fu chick vs pointy-teethed people-eaters may seem a little bit familiar...

I don't think the episode is set that far into the future though - at the end of the universe. At that time humans are struggling to survive or are turning each other into Toclafane on Utopia. They're not running about fighting wars with fish-people.

Mr Prophet
May 4th, 2008, 04:27 AM
I just thought. Did the Doctor say that a nuclear missile would 'hardly scratch' the Sontaran ship? Because if so, may I offer a retroactive squee, please?

wise one
May 4th, 2008, 04:34 AM
donna: back of the neck!!!

doctor: are you my mummy

LOL

i had a theory that the doctors daughter would be some what of the masters creation since he had his hand for a while now and created the doctors daughter or s0mething,

Alipeeps
May 4th, 2008, 04:41 AM
i had a theory that the doctors daughter would be some what of the masters creation since he had his hand for a while now and created the doctors daughter or s0mething,

I dunno. In the preview, Donna asks the Doctor where his daughter came from and he kinda shrugs a little and says, "Well.." in a tone of voice that suggests, to me, a kind of "I'm not going to go into the mechanics of how babies are made..." prevarication. :D

Jonzey
May 4th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Spoilers from previewPersonally, I hope it is his actual daughter, it would be much more interesting and make for a better story- a clone would be really cliched, especially since we just had clones in this last episode. Then she could be a recurring character/occasional companion too. I mean, a clone they could kill off and it would be no big deal.

Oh, and on this episode, I liked it. The trapped in the car cliffhanger & resolution was rubbish though.

MechaThor
May 4th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Great Episode!

Yes the Burning of the sky was abit silly, But it looked great and it was an Alien based Atmosphere converter, so who knows maybe the Fire was a kind of energy but not real fire or something? Who knows? and Who Cares? It looked amazing! I would say that Doctor Whos CGI is getting equal to even Stargates! Also the ship explosion at the end looked great, one of the best ship explosions I have seen.

I loved the 1 sec shot of Rose, it was a nice little hint towards whats to come.
I also loved "Are you my Mummy?", I was not expecting that at all and burst out laughing, classic moment.

I did not care much for the Martha clone story, However what did the Dr say to Martha about Jack? I missed all that sentence apart from the word Jack!

Alipeeps
May 4th, 2008, 09:06 AM
Also - there must be a heck of a lot of debris floating around the Earth these days from the amount of ships that have been blown apart up there - the Sycorax ship, the Rachnos ship, the Sontaran ship....

ShadowMaat
May 4th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Maybe UNIT has a ship or something for collecting debris. Would make sense, in a way, and would definitely help them reverse engineer more defences.

As for the preview... I know the whole "the Master had a hand in things" theory is a popular one (pardon the pun), but it looked to me as if the Doctor knew who she was. So does that negate the possibility of "OMG, he cloned me!" or is it another of those misleading nonsequential bits?"

Also, what's up with all the Doctor's, "Oh, woe is I, last of the Time Lords" shtick? Life just seems to love proving him wrong on that score, although if she is a "real" daughter I guess that only makes her half Time Lord. Mr. Nitpicky. :P

wise one
May 4th, 2008, 10:19 AM
why didnt they just use the jaffa sun glider laser thing that torchwood used to blow up the sacorkrax or wasnt the igniting the atmosphere thing so they couldnt use it??

huntress
May 4th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Before I post my reaction post about "The Poison Sky" I have to rant about the preview for next weeks episode. You've got to be ****ing kidding me- We have a bloody Marry Sue on our hands! That is so not funny. Did we need that? No. Not at all. Some perky blond who looks like Veronica Mars and moves like Lara Croft and calls the doctor "dad" - THIS is a Whovians worst nightmare come true. I wonder who wrote that story. I just hope not Stephen Moffat or I will be disappointed with him. I somehow trust Russel T. Davis to come up with something that awful. Here already gave a bad werewolf story. I had so hoped that "The Doctor's Daughter" was something the fans had come up with =(

Now to the "The Poison Sky" that was actually better then last week episode. Thank goodness.

Grandpa I'll adopt you. You are the best!
That nerdy boy goes on my nerves. Why does he want to kill the human race. Because he is bored? How lame
Aaah Donna gets the key and doctor gets respect how nice =)
Roooooooose screaming for the doctor!!!
Oooh that conversation reminded me of the one the doctor and Mickey had in "Age of Steel" =)
A Vulcan greeting :g:
The Doctor: Are you my mommy? Ooooh a reference to "The Empty Child" LOVE THAT! Especially since I just watched "The Doctor Dances" on Pro 7 ^_^
Martha and Martha
Martha has an engagement ring? With whom is she engaged?
The atmosphere on fire that looked pretty cool
hehe a hug and a punch for the doctor
Gramps I love you


The real winner in this episode was grandpa. He received most of my love in this episode =)

Alipeeps
May 4th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Before I post my reaction post about "The Poison Sky" I have to rant about the preview for next weeks episode. You've got to be ****ing kidding me- We have a bloody Marry Sue on our hands! That is so not funny. Did we need that? No. Not at all. Some perky blond who looks like Veronica Mars and moves like Lara Croft and calls the doctor "dad" - THIS is a Whovians worst nightmare come true. I wonder who wrote that story. I just hope not Stephen Moffat or I will be disappointed with him. I somehow trust Russel T. Davis to come up with something that awful. Here already gave a bad werewolf story. I had so hoped that "The Doctor's Daughter" was something the fans had come up with =(

I admit I wasn't thrilled by the idea when I heard about the title of the episode but the promo looked interesting and am hoping it turns out well. I know it's perhaps hard to think of the Doctor, as we know him, being a father but don't forget he certainly has been in the past as at one point (in the classic series) his grandaughter Susan was travelling with him. I think it's hard to judge whether the daughter (incidentally, played by the daughter of Peter Davidson - the 5th Doctor) is going to be a Mary Sue based solely on the clips from the promo. This might be your worst nightmare come true but it's perhaps a bit premature to claim that the same is true of all Whovians. ;) Incidentally, the episode was written by Stephen Greenhorn who previously wrote last season's The Lazarus Experiment.


Martha has an engagement ring? With whom is she engaged?


The ring was mentioned in last week's episode when Donna and Martha meet - Donna notices the ring and congraulates Martha and when the Doctor doesn't understand, points out that Martha is engaged. Martha explains her fiancé is Dr Tom Milligan (the young doctor she actually met during The Year That Never Was) and that he is away working in Africa at present.

huntress
May 4th, 2008, 10:58 AM
The ring was mentioned in last week's episode when Donna and Martha meet - Donna notices the ring and congraulates Martha and when the Doctor doesn't understand, points out that Martha is engaged. Martha explains her fiancé is Dr Tom Milligan (the young doctor she actually met during The Year That Never Was) and that he is away working in Africa at present.

Oh I forgot that. I thought so but I wasn't sure.

Pitry
May 4th, 2008, 11:41 AM
I dunno. In the preview, Donna asks the Doctor where his daughter came from and he kinda shrugs a little and says, "Well.." in a tone of voice that suggests, to me, a kind of "I'm not going to go into the mechanics of how babies are made..." prevarication. :D

LOL, yeah, I got that impression too. "When a Time Lord and a Time Lady like each other..." :P Although, it does raise a different question. Do we know for sure that the Doctor's daughter - or for that matter, Susan - are Time Lords (Ladies?)? Considering that Susan is on 22nd century Earth, unless the Doctor gave her a lift home at some point then he knows he's not the only of his kind in existance, which might suggest they're not technically time lords/ladies.
I would love it if it ends in a time loop and we see a little Susan running around in the next episode.

Oh, and an anecdotal amusement, half the discussion in this therad is about next week. They sure know how to raise a controversy! :D

RogueSeven
May 4th, 2008, 02:02 PM
i very much liked this episode, especially quotes like "are you my mummy?" and then when the genius holds a gun to the doctor the doctor just walks out and takes the gun and throws it saying "i swear if i see another gun..." very funny, reminds me of macgyver kinda XD

the special effects were very nice, especially the burning sky, and you could hear the doctor saying "please work" or something, i think he could have been scared that something like gallifrey could happen. that would be bad, but when the whole earth was fiery and such, it definitely made me think..."gallifrey?" heh

last, but not least, rose in that split screen, im hoping that the reason for them being all immediatly thrown through time in the tardis is rose, but it is more then likely the doctor's daughter (who looks pretty hot, may i add hehe)

Flyboy
May 4th, 2008, 04:14 PM
I loved the episode. UNIT were frankly amazing. Utterly amazing, as was the mention of good ol' Brigader Lethbridge-Stewart, what a shame he didn't cameo... ALAS! I was desperate for Jenkins to rock up with Bessie....

P-90_177
May 5th, 2008, 03:57 AM
I loved the episode. UNIT were frankly amazing. Utterly amazing, as was the mention of good ol' Brigader Lethbridge-Stewart, what a shame he didn't cameo... ALAS! I was desperate for Jenkins to rock up with Bessie....

I really liked Colonel Mace at the end of it. An Officer and a Gentleman that one.

"You shall face me sir!" :cool:

pbellosom
May 5th, 2008, 02:51 PM
This series is looking like a really tepid one

I agree, Planet of the Ood and Sontaran Strategem were quite good and the other episodes had bits I really liked but so far nothing from series four has really jumped out at me. I find it particularly telling that most the discussion here is not about the episode that just aired but next weeks one.



I reckon far future, because it didn't look like present day and that's the only other time the hand has been to. [/spoil]

Only time it has been to yet, it could well be that by the end of the next episode it is left somewhen where it can be conveniently picked up and used.

Alipeeps
May 5th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Speaking of the hand... after all this time, since Last of the Time Lords, it's still sitting under the console in the control room? He doesn't have anywhere else to put it?

That is one thing that I would dearly love to see in new Doctor Who - more of the inside of the TARDIS. In 3+ seasons, all we've ever seen is the control room and a brief glimpse of a wardrobe room. My memories of the classic series are admittedly vague but I seem to recall that on several occasions we saw other rooms within the TARDIS. I want to see more of the TARDIS, dammit! :D

Willow'sCat
May 5th, 2008, 08:29 PM
On the next ep and Time Lords.

Just because she is The Doctor's daughter doesn't make her a Time Lord, she may well be his flesh and blood (although it is not clear to me how they reproduce) and just being from Gallifrey does not make you a Time Lord, also she is female so technically she would be a Time Lady if anything. :p

I don't remember Susan being a Time Lady she was "just" a girl, women. Apparently the 90s movie said something about half humans... but I ignore that. :cool:

I just don't think being born on Gallifrey or from a Time Lord makes one a Time Lord or Lady.

Gate-builder
May 5th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Speaking of the hand... after all this time, since Last of the Time Lords, it's still sitting under the console in the control room? He doesn't have anywhere else to put it?

That is one thing that I would dearly love to see in new Doctor Who - more of the inside of the TARDIS. In 3+ seasons, all we've ever seen is the control room and a brief glimpse of a wardrobe room. My memories of the classic series are admittedly vague but I seem to recall that on several occasions we saw other rooms within the TARDIS. I want to see more of the TARDIS, dammit! :D

I can't agree with you more! The thing is massive but the doctor seems to spend all his time in the control room. I would love to see more of the inside of the TARDIS. It has so many other rooms that could be written into an episode somehow.

ShadowMaat
May 5th, 2008, 09:32 PM
How about a good old-fashion "something gets loose in the TARDIS" plot where the Doctor and Donna have to hunt through the TARDIS to find whatever-it-is before it's too late?

Alipeeps
May 6th, 2008, 01:40 AM
How about a good old-fashion "something gets loose in the TARDIS" plot where the Doctor and Donna have to hunt through the TARDIS to find whatever-it-is before it's too late?

Sounds good to me! Or there's something wrong with the TARDIS and it traps them inside and they've got to hunt down what the problem is and fix it. :D

huntress
May 7th, 2008, 02:28 AM
I don't know how right I am about that, but for me it always seemed as if the Timelords are the upper crust similiar to the patrician families in ancient Rome...at least in a way but unlike in Rome you are not born into the special cast but maybe born with it. Like a genetic abnormality that makes you a timelord. That would explain why Susan was not a Timelord (and no I don't think a woman is called a Timelady, Romana is always refered to as a Timelord not a Timelady) eventhough her grandfather is.

It would also be interesting to know how the folks on Gallifrey reproduce. After all they are not human, so it doesn't mean that they have to reproduce like humans or most mammals on our planet, since they are certainly not from around here.

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2008, 02:58 AM
I'm sure they said in TLotT that Gallifreyan's had to go through some kind of ritual to become Timelords, I'm sure also in one of the books it was said that not every Gallifreyan is a Timelord. Don't quote me on this, it's just what I heard

dosed150
May 7th, 2008, 02:59 AM
i did notice some errors when they were preparing thew nuclear launches, the uk and france dont have land based nuclear missiles, and i cant see north korea allowing an outside organisation any control over its nuclear weapons, if it even has any of note

Flyboy
May 7th, 2008, 03:53 AM
Did they specifically state that the UK and France's missiles were going to be land launched?

I think the point of the scene was that any country, when UNIT called, was ready to fend off the alien whorde and phantasmagoria for the greater good, even if they hadn't signed the NPT or were going completely against it.

Naonak
May 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM
I'm sure they said in TLotT that Gallifreyan's had to go through some kind of ritual to become Timelords, I'm sure also in one of the books it was said that not every Gallifreyan is a Timelord. Don't quote me on this, it's just what I heard
On this topic, in The Deadly Assassin, a bunch of Gallifreyan guards get killed, and none of them regenerate. It'd be odd if they all just happened to be on their final regenerations...

Alipeeps
May 7th, 2008, 05:53 AM
I'm pretty sure (though not so sure as to how canon it is) that it's been stated somewhere that not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords (I have the impression they are like an elite sect within Gallifreyan society). And regarding how Time Lords are born, I know it was referenced somewhere that they are woven on looms (but I believe, from the context, it's not clear whether the Doctor was being serious/telling the truth there).

So there you go. That's about as clear as mud, isn't it? :S

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2008, 09:30 AM
On this topic, in The Deadly Assassin, a bunch of Gallifreyan guards get killed, and none of them regenerate. It'd be odd if they all just happened to be on their final regenerations...
And on that point, in The Five Doctor's The Valyard (I think) was killed and he didn't regenerate either and he was on the Council, was he in his last regeneration or did he just not bother because of the accusations against him

Mr Prophet
May 7th, 2008, 09:51 AM
And on that point, in The Five Doctor's The Valyard (I think) was killed and he didn't regenerate either and he was on the Council, was he in his last regeneration or did he just not bother because of the accusations against him

That was the Castellan. I think the general assumption (well, certainly mine) is that stasers is special.

docballen
May 7th, 2008, 12:01 PM
In Leela's last episode she affiliates herself with "shebogans" who are Gallifreyans who are decidedly not Time Lords. They do not regenerate.

The Doctor also mentioned being a graduate of the "Prydonian Academy"-- there are also PAxtrexian and Arcalian Academies too. (He wears a specific color of robes to reflect this fact.)

I had an idea for a fan fic where we meet the parents of a Time Lord... my theory was that each parent had to "give up" a regeneration during the act of creating the baby... to give it the two hearts.

A Time Lord also has something called The Rassilon Imprimature (See "The Two Doctors") which helps them control their TArdises (without it they would die in the time vortex... ala Chessene)

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2008, 02:14 PM
That was the Castellan. I think the general assumption (well, certainly mine) is that stasers is special.
Yes you're right now I think of it, it was The Castellan. Are the Valyard and the Castellan honoury title's like Lord Privy Councellor?

dosed150
May 7th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Did they specifically state that the UK and France's missiles were going to be land launched?

I think the point of the scene was that any country, when UNIT called, was ready to fend off the alien whorde and phantasmagoria for the greater good, even if they hadn't signed the NPT or were going completely against it.

well when they said uk and france all the dots were in land

The_Carpenter
May 7th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Yes you're right now I think of it, it was The Castellan. Are the Valyard and the Castellan honoury title's like Lord Privy Councellor?

The Valyard was meant to be an evil version of the Doctor created between his 12th and 13th regeneration's. Don't know about the Castellan


well when they said uk and france all the dots were in land

Likely the bases supplying targeting data, as others either here or at DWF have suggested

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2008, 11:52 AM
The Castellan is the head of the Chancellery Guard; effectively the Gallifreyan head of security. Although actual names such as Chancellor Flavia and Lord President Barusa emerge further in, initially the High Council are known only by title of office. Like the renegades (the Doctor, the Master, the Monk, the Rani, the War Lord) they are definite articles (the Castellan, the Chancellor, the President).

Reefgirl
May 8th, 2008, 02:04 PM
The Castellan is the head of the Chancellery Guard; effectively the Gallifreyan head of security. Although actual names such as Chancellor Flavia and Lord President Barusa emerge further in, initially the High Council are known only by title of office. Like the renegades (the Doctor, the Master, the Monk, the Rani, the War Lord) they are definite articles (the Castellan, the Chancellor, the President).

Right

Merlin's_Legacy
May 8th, 2008, 06:10 PM
A Time Lord also has something called The Rassilon Imprimature (See "The Two Doctors") which helps them control their TArdises (without it they would die in the time vortex... ala Chessene)

This fact sort of bugs me.... If one has to have the Rassilon Imprimature in order to "not die" in the time vortex, then how the heck are all the companions able to survive without it? Has that ever been explained?

docballen
May 8th, 2008, 07:56 PM
This fact sort of bugs me.... If one has to have the Rassilon Imprimature in order to "not die" in the time vortex, then how the heck are all the companions able to survive without it? Has that ever been explained?

Dr 6 said something along the lines of "I just primed it" which means he fixed the time capsule for one trip... and the imprimature would wear out or expire after one short trip... which is what the Sontaran sent Peri on.

It has something to do with the Doctor permanently being a part of his TARDIS... I think... I can't find my copy of "The TWo Doctors" so I'm stuck going by memory... sigh...

(I think it means that there is a permanent bond between a Time Lord and his/her TARDIS that extends its protection to passengers too.)

Mamid
May 9th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Maybe his daughter was born to a human woman, not necessarily Rose.
*waves hand in the air Jedi style...* the 90's movie did NOT happen. Doctor is 100% Gallifreyan!
Maybe they have children the same way we do, but only special ones get to look into the vortex. and those that do, no matter where they are in their class status on Gallifrey become Timelords. Or, upon looking into the vortex, their reaction gives them their status. The wrong reaction, and you are not a Timelord. So since Gallifrey isn't supposed to be around anymore, she can't and so she won't be a Timelord.
I think she might be Romana's daughter too. That would Rock. I just don't want her to be a clone.

Flyboy
May 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Maybe his daughter was born to a human woman, not necessarily Rose.
*waves hand in the air Jedi style...* the 90's movie did NOT happen. Doctor is 100% Gallifreyan!
Maybe they have children the same way we do, but only special ones get to look into the vortex. and those that do, no matter where they are in their class status on Gallifrey become Timelords. Or, upon looking into the vortex, their reaction gives them their status. The wrong reaction, and you are not a Timelord. So since Gallifrey isn't supposed to be around anymore, she can't and so she won't be a Timelord.
I think she might be Romana's daughter too. That would Rock. I just don't want her to be a clone.


The Doctor said to ROSE "I was a dad once" which would imply if this is the same daughter, which it probably is, it is definitely not Rose's.

Sorry, but the movie IS canon, and I don't see what's wrong with the good Doctor being half human, it would explain a lot.

As for Romana's daughter, that is the only relationship I'd be happy with. But I suspect she's Susan's mother.

docballen
May 9th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Maybe they have children the same way we do, but only special ones get to look into the vortex. and those that do, no matter where they are in their class status on Gallifrey become Timelords. Or, upon looking into the vortex, their reaction gives them their status. The wrong reaction, and you are not a Timelord. So since Gallifrey isn't supposed to be around anymore, she can't and so she won't be a Timelord.


This one has my vote... except for the fact that--

Susan was with the First Doctor and got this whole "grandfather" thing started. Susan may or may not be a Time Lord... I was never really clear on that one.. My vote would be yes, except we don't know enough about Susan to know-- for example-- if she went to any of the Academies.

I guess what I'm getting at is that there had better be a good explanation-- better than "Northern Klingons"-- or I'm going to be seriously disappointed.

pbellosom
May 10th, 2008, 02:15 PM
[SPOILERS]
*waves hand in the air Jedi style...* the 90's movie did NOT happen. Doctor is 100% Gallifreyan!

Family of Blood says that their was a Doctor played by Paul Magaan.

Madeleine
May 13th, 2008, 03:35 AM
SHHHHH! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THERE WAS NO MOVIE IN THE 1990s!

Flyboy
May 13th, 2008, 04:08 AM
Oh yes there was Mads :)

And it was about time.

Pitry
May 13th, 2008, 07:08 AM
Had there been a movie in the 90s, it would have been about Time (Lord(s)).

Fortunately, there was no movie. Never. Never ever.

And even if there were, there would have been no stupid lines about the Doctor being half human. Or Eric Roberts as the Master, coming to think of it.

nx01a
May 22nd, 2008, 02:23 PM
Good conclusion to part one...

though the burning off the gas in the atmosphere was a bit suspect, normally burning off a an atmosphere results in a dead world :mckay:

Pvt. Ross Jenkins died :( There goes my hopes for him as companion in season 5


Ross SO seemed like companion material! I hope he has a counterpart in Rose's reality!

The gas bit was definitely suspect, as was how that human-made [albeit genius human made] device managed to do that, even with Time Lord tinkering. I thought the Doctor would use the energy pulse from the light of the Tardis to affect the ATMOSphere, like he did to make it snow for Donna in 'The Runaway Bride'. Perhaps the highest concentrations were really high up in the ATMOSphere? Still, all of our oxygen should have burned along with it. BUT we were dealing with exotic alien particles with properties as-yet unknown to human science... Eh. Leave it alone. The SFX was the best I've seen on the show to date.

The idiot genius sacrificing himself was obvious [but he went out degrading his enemy with their own warcry], as was the idiot Doctor attempting to reason with a race he knows can't be reasoned with, fight a race he says can't be fought and won't surrender. He really just wants something to die for...

ROSE!!!!!!!!

Donna's family is great! Axe-wielding mom! Alien-friendly gramps! Hammer-wielding Donna! Cellphone-wieding Donna! In all honesty, I hope she and her family are the ones who don't get completely screwed over by encountering the Doctor. Rose and Martha and their loved ones went through hell because of him, and I'd hate that trend to continue.

I'm wondering how the people of Earth can carry on normal lives when they're under attack at least twice a year: once at xmas and then at mid-season.:P The environmental note this episode follows nicely on Donna's comments on the Oodsphere about pollution being considered such a problem in her time.

"The Doctor's wife." :D

The modified guns and the Valiant! I LUV humans! The energy weapon on the Valiant was unexpected; I was looking for crappy railguns or something.:S It looks like the same effect as the Torchwood energy weapon in the first xmas special; the same technology, perhaps. Using the Valiant's engines to remove the gas was a good idea, temporary but good.

The nations of the world uniting for a joint nuclear strike... Brilliant. And the North Koreans DO have nukes! And ICBM ones at that!:P

The Doctor's hand in the jar was bubbling as the Tardis was dragged away. The same proximity thing that Capn Jack used to tell when the Doctor was near? What if another subject with the same DNA made it react similarly? Or with half the same DNA? It's a pity the title of the next eps already spoilered that for me.

Poor Martha. Her first mistake was getting back inside the Tardis. The theme of this episode appears to be the stupidity of otherwise apparently smart people.

BRILLIANT episode!!! More of the same!:cameronanime10:

ShadowMaat
May 22nd, 2008, 08:58 PM
It wasn't until I caught the rerun of Sontaran Stratagem that I realized that the Doctor actually uses the mallet that Donna snags for use in this ep. Sneaky prop foreshadowing. ;)

nx01a
May 23rd, 2008, 12:36 PM
I liked that she had the two hammers to choose from. I wonder why she chose that one? Hey, if the Doctor uses it, it must be good! Sonic hammer.:P

ShadowMaat
May 24th, 2008, 09:14 PM
I liked that she had the two hammers to choose from. I wonder why she chose that one? Hey, if the Doctor uses it, it must be good! Sonic hammer.:P
Bigger is better. :D Why hit someone with a hammer when you can hit them with a mallet instead? ;)

Flyboy
May 24th, 2008, 10:23 PM
Bigger is better. :D Why hit someone with a hammer when you can hit them with a mallet instead? ;)
...

Because you could pierce the flesh and bone with a hammer and not with a mallet...?



Sorry... was that violent of me?

MasySyma
May 30th, 2008, 08:59 PM
...

Because you could pierce the flesh and bone with a hammer and not with a mallet...?



But if you are scared that you might miss (and therefore be killed), you might choose the mallet to give yourself a larger weapon. A hit is more likely then.

MasySyma
May 30th, 2008, 09:12 PM
This two-part story was ok. It wasn't my favorite, but I didn't hate it either.

The Good:

Donna! I really like her. She thinks, takes risks, and considers her choices carefully. I appreciate that she was at risk to save the world, not because she wandered off.

Martha: Although she didn't do much in the second half, I liked her new ability to talk to the Doctor as an equal rather than as a someone begging for his attention. I especially liked her "take me home now" at the end. She can finally talk back to him. It's about time.

Both companions interacting: The new team has merit. I liked that Martha hugs him, and Donna slugs him. Each companion has a unique role right now, and they work side by side.

The Bad:

The Sontarans: Potatoe aliens don't do much for me. Especially, little warrior ones without a good reason to fight (until way to late in the two episodes). They reminded me of little yipping dogs. The lame war chant didn't help. I've heard better war chants before.

The Super-Smart-Yet-Stupid Kid: He was rude, ridiculous, and cliche, which made him boring. He was too predictable.

The Doctor: While I generally liked him, I didn't care for his multiple attempts to reason with the Sontarans. I appreciate that he gave them a chance, but then he made a spectacle out of the darn button. Push it and save the earth or don't. I don't want DT to regerate (most days), but I was definitely going "Push the Button already!" I found the moment annoying instead of climatic.

The Science: I can let it go, but I agree that the burning atmosphere plan wasn't the greatest plot device.

I wasn't particularly looking forward to this two-parter, so I'm not horribly disappointed. The episodes were ok, but I'll probably skip the them once the DVD comes out. I'd rather see the two-parter from SM. It will be here soon enough.

ShadowMaat
May 31st, 2008, 01:21 AM
If she's aiming for a small bit on the back of someone's neck armor, the mallet is definitely the way to go. Bigger surface area means if her aim's a little off she'll still hit the target area. ;)

Tracker
June 2nd, 2008, 11:59 PM
(and no I don't think a woman is called a Timelady, Romana is always refered to as a Timelord not a Timelady)


Actually, Romana was referred to as a "Timelady" by the fourth doctor. I can't be sure of the episode (I really want to say "Shada"), but it was when they were in a cafe on Earth, and an artist had drawn Romana's portrait with her face as a clock. The Doctor commented that it was an appropiate picture of a Timelady..or something to that effect.

Anywho...loved the episode this week. Favorite line...
"You're brilliant, you are."
"Shut up.";)

Coco Pops
July 27th, 2008, 08:36 AM
why didnt they just use the jaffa sun glider laser thing that torchwood used to blow up the sacorkrax or wasnt the igniting the atmosphere thing so they couldnt use it??



I think that got destroyed at the battle of Canary Warf..

Mind you Torchwood also had a Colonial Viper which must have fallen off Battlestar Galactica to Earth or got misplaced.. That could have done serious damage to the potatoes, I mean Sontarans

Coco Pops
July 27th, 2008, 08:37 AM
Actually, Romana was referred to as a "Timelady" by the fourth doctor. I can't be sure of the episode (I really want to say "Shada"), but it was when they were in a cafe on Earth, and an artist had drawn Romana's portrait with her face as a clock. The Doctor commented that it was an appropiate picture of a Timelady..or something to that effect.

Anywho...loved the episode this week. Favorite line...
"You're brilliant, you are."
"Shut up.";)


The episode was "City of death"

Coco Pops
August 4th, 2008, 10:49 PM
I don't get this. It's kind of bugged me for years.

If the Sontarans are a clone race then what's the point of fighting. They don't evolve, don't actually grow as a poeple but are stagnant as a race.

And in the episode "The Sontaran Experiment" they're in the middle ages on Earth so they must have some form of time travel I imagine.

Have we ever seen the Rutans?

I hope the potato people get their butts kicked across the universe.

I wish the Doc had sent the coverter up to the ship on a time delay. Why does he have to give them a choice in person? Wh elected him to be the arbitar of justice. He is so pompous sometimes.

Mr Prophet
August 5th, 2008, 01:08 AM
I don't get this. It's kind of bugged me for years.

If the Sontarans are a clone race then what's the point of fighting. They don't evolve, don't actually grow as a poeple but are stagnant as a race.

They became a clone race as part of their pursuit of war. They came up with their 'perfect' design and then stopped evolving. And yes, they are stagnant; that's why they only fight, because every one of them is effectively the same militaristic fanatic.


And in the episode "The Sontaran Experiment" they're in the middle ages on Earth so they must have some form of time travel I imagine.

Actually, in The Sontaran Experiment they're on Earth in the distant future; The Time Warrior is the one set in the middle ages. They don't have time travel however; the war just keeps going for that long.


Have we ever seen the Rutans?

Horror of Fang Rock


I wish the Doc had sent the coverter up to the ship on a time delay. Why does he have to give them a choice in person? Wh elected him to be the arbitar of justice. He is so pompous sometimes.

No-one elected him, but he made the device that was going to kill them. It was his responsibility.

P-90_177
August 5th, 2008, 02:41 AM
The episode was "City of death"

I was watching that the other day. It has one of my favorite Doctor lines in it ever. :D

"Oh my. What a wondeful Butler. He's so violent." :D

Coco Pops
August 5th, 2008, 02:49 AM
I was watching that the other day. It has one of my favorite Doctor lines in it ever. :D

"Oh my. What a wondeful Butler. He's so violent." :D



That's because "the butler's always the guilty one hehe"

gateship15
January 23rd, 2009, 08:08 PM
this was a fantastic episode i like when the doctor is wearing the gas mask and when the unit leader asked him what he thought the doctor said are u my mummy. it made me laugh so hard.

Replicator Todd
January 26th, 2009, 10:09 PM
this was a fantastic episode i like when the doctor is wearing the gas mask and when the unit leader asked him what he thought the doctor said are u my mummy. it made me laugh so hard.

I liked that alot too, shows the doctor hasn't forgotten about his adventures in his previous incarnations!

Coco Pops
January 26th, 2009, 10:28 PM
I liked that alot too, shows the doctor hasn't forgotten about his adventures in his previous incarnations!


Err, why would he?

It's not like each regneration is a whole new lifespan, hes's still the same person isn't he?

Replicator Todd
January 26th, 2009, 10:44 PM
Well his personalily changes completely with each new face, sometimes making it seem to be a different show.

Coco Pops
January 26th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Well his personalily changes completely with each new face, sometimes making it seem to be a different show.


There is that.

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 12:38 AM
:) i think he has the best memory i have ever seen

Pharaoh Atem
February 23rd, 2010, 09:01 PM
'Are you my mummy' LOL didn't catch that the first dozen times i watched the ep.

gateship15
February 23rd, 2010, 11:20 PM
lol i love that line i cracked up laughing the first time i herd it and i still giggle when i hear it

maneth
April 29th, 2013, 10:20 AM
Loved this episode, and the windshield smash was good. About time that happened. :p