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GateWorld
April 23rd, 2008, 09:58 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s4/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE SONTARAN STRATAGEM</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 3004</FONT>
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Martha Jones summons the Doctor back to Earth, where U.N.I.T. is investigating a zero-emission car company that has been linked with suspicious deaths world-wide.

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Madeleine
April 26th, 2008, 11:30 AM
As a first half of a story, this was good. The villans are wonderfully nasty, the precocious lad is obviously going to fall hard sooner or later, Martha is a perfect fit in a way she wasn't quite with Torchwood, and I liked the continuity references with UNIT.

Donna's still doing well, and I loved how she and Martha got on, and also how she brought her 'temp's eye view' into the investigation.

Reasons to like the Doctor more than ever:
1) He saves himself and the UNIT chap with a tennis ball. Okay, it's not quite up there with a cricket ball, but still... :)
2) He corrects someone's grammar. Please can he be real so I can marry him?
3) He says daps. Not trainers, plimsols or shoes: DAPS. I plan to have his babies.

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2008, 11:42 AM
Right where do I start, it's nice to see Gramps again and that he is the same bloke that was in the paper booth in VotD, not too sure about Donna's mum tho. Also the plot's a little lame, God save us from brainy teenagers, evil clones, UNIT grunts ignoring the Doctor and God save us from Helen Raynor's recycled aliens. IMO it really took it's time to get going, I hope there's more action next week. I did love the fact that Donna can figure something out by common sense rather than clever deductions

I see UNIT are hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool again, honestly those two squaddies deserve everything they get 'I can hear banging from inside an alien box, lets open it' D'OH

Ok so you know that the emission gizmo in your car is made by aliens, it's given off poisonus gases and you know the Sat Nav has a mind of it's own, so what do you do, you get in the car, D'OH

And why didn't Donna or the Doctor break the car's window to let fumes out.

I didn't expect much more from Helen Raynor to be honest but I did expect a more from the Sontaran's and bloody hell I'd forgotten Chris Ryan was that small

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 11:56 AM
I rather liked this episode.

Aside from an outburst of anger at the Unified Intelligence Taskford element, I think UNIT's transition to modern day was fantastic. Particularly when the Doctor drew comparisons to the old style version of UNIT and when he was working with them (which was always supposed to be the not too distant future).

I like the Colonal. Very much so. He's no Brigadier, but he's got character. And dear God YES! He saluted the Doctor! Whoo! Sorry, but I just know that I personally would salute the Doctor and call him sir constantly, so it's nice to see a military bod respond as I would. If I were in UNIT and came across the Doctor he would be treated like the Chief of Defence Staff himself.

Now... Martha. Hmm.

Well she was a tad dramatic in bringing the Doctor back to earth... have you seen how often he's on earth? I'm not sure how her experience would get her fast tracked to a fully qualified doctor either... and lastly, what the hell was SHE doing commanding a military raid of a factory? Maybe the Col was just humouring her but Medical Officers do NOT do that. Furthermore you do NOT say "repeat" over the radio! It's basic military comms protocol. It's "I say again"! Grrrrrrrrrr

The actual UNIT staffing are good and it was nice to see a UN reference.

Sontarans. I really don't remember them being that tiny... oh well. But I did love their characterisation. Except their battle chant... hmm.... not very officerly is it?

Donna and Martha not fighting? Very clever little scene that.

And yes... they should have smashed the window...

Anubis69
April 26th, 2008, 12:01 PM
AHHH! My car! It's accelerating and steering towards the river!
...
Pop the clutch?

Still, it was good. A non-Whovian friend of mine even said he enjoyed it.

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2008, 12:16 PM
I knew there was something else I should have said. Did anyone else think that the Sontaran war dance looked more like the All Black's Haka?

pbellosom
April 26th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Donna's still doing well, and I loved how she and Martha got on, and also how she brought her 'temp's eye view' into the investigation.
...

2) He corrects someone's grammar. Please can he be real so I can marry him?


Yeah, I don't think I would have noticed that thing with the sick-days.

I know the grammar fight thing was amazing!! It reminded me of some of my friends.




I see UNIT are hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool again, honestly those two squaddies deserve everything they get 'I can hear banging from inside an alien box, lets open it' D'OH


Yeah, they were total idiots.




Aside from an outburst of anger at the Unified Intelligence Taskford element, I think UNIT's transition to modern day was fantastic. Particularly when the Doctor drew comparisons to the old style version of UNIT and when he was working with them (which was always supposed to be the not too distant future).

I agree with you entirely there. The reference to the Unit stories Dating controversy was hilarious. Though I was desperately hoping that instead of taking a jeep they would have taken the Doctor's old yellow car, but then the ATMOS thing would not have worked.

Why could the Sontarans not take part in the Time War? Didn't the Time Warrior show that they had time travel technology?


I knew there was something else I should have said. Did anyone else think that the Sontaran war dance looked more like the All Black's Haka?

YES!!!!

lirenel
April 26th, 2008, 12:22 PM
I liked it. And the whole Donna "I'm going home"/Doctor panicking/"You just meant you were going to pop by for a visit" exchange was quite funny - and mentioned the Medusa Cascade again.

Knowing only the new series, I enjoyed the militaristic aspect of the Sontarans. It's like someone cloned the ancient Spartans and took away their humanity.

Please to not kill grandpa? That would make me v. sad, I like his character. And I enjoyed the fact that he and the Doctor recognized each other from the Christmas episode.

The Prophet
April 26th, 2008, 12:22 PM
I knew there was something else I should have said. Did anyone else think that the Sontaran war dance looked more like the All Black's Haka?

I mentioned that to my brother, as we both had to learn it in PE. We restrained ourselves from doing it though... :P

Naonak
April 26th, 2008, 12:23 PM
I enjoyed that one. Pretty solid.

All that talk of the 70s, and no mention of the Brig? :(

The Doctor was wonderfully silly at the Academy and the Sontaran ship. :D
"Well, it's just like a thing, innit? People don't question things, they just think 'Err, it's a thing.'" "How did he get in? In-tru-der window?"
And the tennis ball! :D

Donna was great, as was her Grandad. He'd better live. ;)
Hard to belive the sonic screwdriver couldn't open a car door, though... But they should have just broken the window... :rolleyes:

7.5/10

2) He corrects someone's grammar. Please can he be real so I can marry him?
3) He says daps. Not trainers, plimsols or shoes: DAPS. I plan to have his babies.
You told Mr W about these plans of yours, Mads? :p

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 12:25 PM
Yeah, I don't think I would have noticed that thing with the sick-days.

I know the grammar fight thing was amazing!! It reminded me of some of my friends.



Yeah, they were total idiots.



I agree with you entirely there. The reference to the Unit stories Dating controversy was hilarious. Though I was desperately hoping that instead of taking a jeep they would have taken the Doctor's old yellow car, but then the ATMOS thing would not have worked.

Why could the Sontarans not take part in the Time War? Didn't the Time Warrior show that they had time travel technology?



YES!!!!
I think the Sontarans had limited time travel capabilities, but never fully functioning time travel... I know they wanted it.

I remember reading a book called "The Infinity Doctors" and the sontarans were desperate for time travel technology...

pbellosom
April 26th, 2008, 12:26 PM
"How did he get in? In-tru-der window?"


Best pun ever!!

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I enjoyed that one. Pretty solid.

All that talk of the 70s, and no mention of the Brig? :(

The Doctor was wonderfully silly at the Academy and the Sontaran ship. :D
"Well, it's just like a thing, innit? People don't question things, they just think 'Err, it's a thing.'" "How did he get in? In-tru-der window?"
And the tennis ball! :D

Donna was great, as was her Grandad. He'd better live. ;)
Hard to belive the sonic screwdriver couldn't open a car door, though... But they should have just broken the window... :rolleyes:

7.5/10

You told Mr W about these plans of yours, Mads? :p
I know! Where's the brig damn it!?

Maybe Bessie will make a come back as she isn't atmos controlled? They need secure transport...

Allestian
April 26th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Hard to belive the sonic screwdriver couldn't open a car door, though... But they should have just broken the window... :rolleyes:


When they created deadlocks wouldn't that mean the cars are deadlocked too???

I mean the ATMOS things are integrated into the vehicles so when they're deadlocked isn't the rest of the car???

That way, people can't get out, people can't get in and the Doctor can't use the sonic screwdriver to get in...

:D

(Just a thought)

Madeleine
April 26th, 2008, 12:34 PM
You told Mr W about these plans of yours, Mads? :p

Mr W will be thrilled. It'd leave him free to marry Buffy, the chearleader from Heroes, and Michelle Pfeiffer.

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2008, 12:42 PM
I mentioned that to my brother, as we both had to learn it in PE. We restrained ourselves from doing it though... :P
May one ask why?

A mate of my ex hubby wanted the Timewarp to be their rugby club's Haka

Major Clanger
April 26th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Apart from the fact that I am sick and tired and fed up of all military operations and operatives having to have only one brain cell between them, I loved that ep.

Especially the grammar thing. Very good.

Hulabaloo
April 26th, 2008, 02:26 PM
I love that ep, it was very good. I loved the way Martha was reintroduced and the 'no fighting'. But I found myself cringing when she was shouting over the radio, did it look really bulky in her hand?

The Doctor is fantastic in this episode. :D Especially when he thought Donna was leaving, and another mention of the Medusa Cascade!
But, I think it was a squash ball not a tennis ball that he used to disarm the Sontaran.


2) He corrects someone's grammar. Please can he be real so I can marry him?


OMG YES! I'd be right there with you...:D

Overall 8/10

The_Carpenter
April 26th, 2008, 02:35 PM
I see UNIT are hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool again, honestly those two squaddies deserve everything they get 'I can hear banging from inside an alien box, lets open it' D'OH

But one of them was cute.... oh dear god I'm a bloke.... *panics* :p


Ok so you know that the emission gizmo in your car is made by aliens, it's given off poisonus gases and you know the Sat Nav has a mind of it's own, so what do you do, you get in the car, D'OH

Thought the same :lol:


And why didn't Donna or the Doctor break the car's window to let fumes out.

Again I thought the same...and I have a feeling that the cliffhanger resolution will be just that making everyone look stupid



All that talk of the 70s, and no mention of the Brig? :(

Well theres another week of UNIT fun so maybe he will get a mention when everythings calmed down I hope so anyway, but it would of been nice to of had benton or yates be the General :p

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Mmm yes. Shouting into radios... another pet peeve.

RSVP. Rythm, Speed, Volume, Pitch. The first three are meant to be steady and at a normal rate, the latter being slightly higher.

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Again I thought the same...and I have a feeling that the cliffhanger resolution will be just that making everyone look stupid

At that point I was yelling "Break the window you pillock" at the TV

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Well theres another week of UNIT fun so maybe he will get a mention when everythings calmed down I hope so anyway, but it would of been nice to of had benton or yates be the General

Benton was a Warrant Officer by the end, there's little chance of him becoming General, and Yates was encouraged to retire from UNIT.

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Mmm yes. Shouting into radios... another pet peeve.

RSVP. Rythm, Speed, Volume, Pitch. The first three are meant to be steady and at a normal rate, the latter being slightly higher.
All I can say is thank God my OH wasn't watching it with me, he'd have spent the entire episode picking holes in the military tactics, just like he does with Atlantis and SG-1

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 02:44 PM
All I can say is thank God my OH wasn't watching it with me, he'd have spent the entire episode picking holes in the military tactics, just like he does with Atlantis and SG-1
Ha! Brilliant.

Did anyone else question the use of the word "surrender" in the raid on the factory? Considering no arms had been drawn, it appeared a little OTT...

Alipeeps
April 26th, 2008, 03:35 PM
I enjoyed this episode - although there was so much going on I feel I need to watch again to really catch everything. Loved the Doctor's reaction to Martha getting in touch and the little bit of tension at first - which soon dissolves into hugs. Lovely funny moment of the Doctor expecting a cat fight (well, tbh he had reason, given how Rose and Sarah-Jane reacted when they met) and instead Martha and Donna just got on and ganged up on him - "He's so thin if you hug him you get a paper cut!" :D

Also - loved loved loved Donna calling the Doctor, "You prawn" in utter disparagement. :)

I wasn't entirely convinced by Martha in this episode (but then, I wasn't entirely convinced by her in Torchwood either) and did find myself wondering why a medical doctor - even one with UNIT - was giving the orders and running the military side of the operation. Seemed odd, even if they did try to explain it away with her thanking the Colonel for letting her do so. I also found myself a tad annoyed at her for walking into such an obvious trap - for a UNIT special agent or whatever she is, she seems to have an amazing knack for getting herself captured/into trouble, both in Torchwood and now Dr Who.

The two UNIT goons annoyed me - it should have been obvious right from the blank eyed "guards" outside the room that something was off but do they call for back-up? No. Do they even report they've found something - or even found some more members of staff? No. Do they notice the men don't seem quite right? No. Instead they act like cocky a-holes and walk into a room leaving unsecured enemy standing outside what is (as far as they know) the only exit. Geez. I wasn't overly impressed with the actors but the majority of what annoyed me here was just poor writing. I know it'd fantasy etc and suspension of disbelief and all that but there's a limit to how far I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to idiocy like that.

Anyway, enough of the negatives, there was however lots to love. DT again rocked the socks off the Doctor and I really enjoyed his interactions with UNIT, with Martha and with Donna. Oh and as a helpless grammar nitpicker myself, I think I felt just a little bit further in love with DT's Doctor when he corrected wunderkind's grammar! :D


And yes... they should have smashed the window...

That was rather bugging me. I was telling the TV, "Well get something and break the window!" :lol:

Though it did make for some tension I guess (please don't let them kill Wilf - I love Wilf!) and did leave me wondering hwo they're gonna get out of this with half the world being gassed...


I knew there was something else I should have said. Did anyone else think that the Sontaran war dance looked more like the All Black's Haka?

Heh! Yes! I was totally thinking that when I was watching that bit.

One other thing that springs to mind about this ep is that it seemed a little odd/premature to me to have Donna musing on the dangers and highs and lows etc of travelling with the Doctor (when she was walking down the road to her family's house) when she's barely been with him five minutes - other than the first episode when she was actively seeking him out, we've only seen her go to two places with him. :S

Ooooh though that reminds me that I forgot to mention how much I loved the first scene of them with him actually letting her (reluctantly) fly the TARDIS! :D None of the others really got to do that (that we saw) and I coudl totally imagine Donna badgering him until he gave in and let her have a go. :D

The_Carpenter
April 26th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Benton was a Warrant Officer by the end, there's little chance of him becoming General, and Yates was encouraged to retire from UNIT.

Ahhh I knew one of them retired couldnt recall which one, and I dont know much about the ins and outs of military ranks ;) thanks for clearing that up anyway :hammond:

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Ahhh I knew one of them retired couldnt recall which one, and I dont know much about the ins and outs of military ranks ;) thanks for clearing that up anyway :hammond:
No problem. Basically you have two sets of ranks. Officers and 'Other Ranks'.

In theory officers are the leaders, other ranks are the followers, though it doesn't necessarily work like that.

Officers include the following ranks:

Army (in ascending order): Officer Cadet, 2nd Lieutenant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lieutenant Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier, Major General, Lieutenant General, General, Field Marshal.

Other Ranks include

Private, Lance Corporal, Corporal, Sergeant, Staff/Colour Sergeant, Warrant Officer II Class, Warrant Officer I Class, Warrant Officer I Class: Conductor.

The idea used to be that those of a higher calibre went in as officers and lead the grunts below them, this is not necessarily the case any more, Sergeants are usually very clever. But the two ranks systems are very seperate, and the lowest ranking Officer (except Officer Cadet) is superior to all other ranks except for Warrant Officers, who answer only to a select few officers.

Basically an officer will decide what he wants done, and he'll tell his Sergeant or Warrant Officer, that rank will then "make it happen" by ordering the troops about.

There are instances where an "other rank" has applied for a commission to become an officer, but they're rare, and they start off low down. Basically, Benton becoming a Warrant Officer (which is not a commissioned post) was one of the highest privilidges he could achieve.

The Prophet
April 27th, 2008, 04:20 AM
May one ask why?

A mate of my ex hubby wanted the Timewarp to be their rugby club's Haka

:P I'm not sure either. I think it was considered dancing on our curriculum, which we had to have a breif period of learning that too, to recieve a whole range of PE. I think they decided on teaching the Hakka so us guys wouldn't think it was too feminine to be learning dance...

It was all very tactical :P

Reefgirl
April 27th, 2008, 04:53 AM
:P I'm not sure either. I think it was considered dancing on our curriculum, which we had to have a breif period of learning that too, to recieve a whole range of PE. I think they decided on teaching the Hakka so us guys wouldn't think it was too feminine to be learning dance...

It was all very tactical :P
Did it work?

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 27th, 2008, 07:12 AM
Liked this episode. :cameron:

Pitry
April 27th, 2008, 07:33 AM
Considering this was the episode I was suspicious about, after last year's Dalek fiasco, squee. Loved it. ;)
The Sontarans actually worked, unlike some of the classic Who episodes with them, Martha and Donna ganged up on the Doctor, who in turned had some brilliant lines... and the Colonel was lovely, saluting and calling the Doctor "Sir" and then giving away sarcastic commetns about him giving orders despite saying he's not giving orders :D
And I shall repeat myself ad infinitum, but Donna rocked, once again. "super temp" indeed ;)

The Prophet
April 27th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Did it work?

Yeah, we seemed to enjoy it. Got our blood pumping :P

Reefgirl
April 27th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Yeah, we seemed to enjoy it. Got our blood pumping :P
It's probably why the All Blacks win so much

Matt G
April 27th, 2008, 03:07 PM
1. Having a car drive into water, not very scifi but effective.

2. Was Martha actually able to call the TARDIS to Earth or was the Doctor just in a good mood?

3. Probably UNIT's biggest ep yet.

4. Those two guys still had redshirts all over them!

5. Tennis ball in the back vent...nice!

6. OK, how are they going to cover this up.

Sontarans are very good bad guys, be interesting to see where the second part goes!

ShadowMaat
April 28th, 2008, 12:07 AM
At that point I was yelling "Break the window you pillock" at the TV

I kept waiting for the Doctor to be frantically trying to sonic the door only to turn around and see Donna running at him/the car full-tilt with a shovel or metal garbage bin or something to smash the window. I can see something monkeying with the mechanics of the car, but making the glass unbreakable would be a bit of a stretch.

Still, I liked the ep. Good set-up for next week and while some of the elements were a bit meh (Clone Martha, Spoiled Prat, etc) it isn't nearly as bad as some things have been (Scribble Monster, The Wire).

Oh, and "In-tru-der window?" *huggles Doctor* Ye gods, how I love puns! :D

pbellosom
April 28th, 2008, 05:39 AM
6. OK, how are they going to cover this up.


They managed to cover up the battle of canary wharf and the cyberman invasion in every country of the world simultaneously, compared to that this should be easy. Just say that Atmos had a fundamental design flaw, you could even tell the truth, that the genius kid designed it to kill everyone, just leave out the bit with the aliens.

Dusk
April 28th, 2008, 05:53 AM
I can see that Flying Officer Bennett is having a field day with this episode. Just don't wet your pants now. :P

Seeing Donna weighing up her experiences with the Doctor as being dangerous, yet brilliant, is becoming a repetitive cycle with the companions. It's getting a tad boring having companions with domestic lives waiting for them back in London. Wouldn't it be great if we could start to get some TARDIS crew who a) weren't female (or gay), b) weren't from Earth (specifically London), and c) didn't have a fragile family waiting in the wings to be threatened by the Doctor's enemies. All I'm saying is that when it comes time to cast a new sidekick that they think outside the blue box.

ANYway, I sure liked the episode, it felt like Who and it played like Who, and the inclusion of UNIT and the Sontarans gave it a solid presentation. I'm not sure if it was worth making a two-parter out of it though, as I fear the conclusion will be much the same as the first part. But I hope to be wrong.

Hulabaloo
April 28th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Seeing Donna weighing up her experiences with the Doctor as being dangerous, yet brilliant, is becoming a repetitive cycle with the companions. It's getting a tad boring having companions with domestic lives waiting for them back in London. Wouldn't it be great if we could start to get some TARDIS crew who a) weren't female (or gay), b) weren't from Earth (specifically London), and c) didn't have a fragile family waiting in the wings to be threatened by the Doctor's enemies. All I'm saying is that when it comes time to cast a new sidekick that they think outside the blue box.

Agreed. Having an unattached companion would be interesting to watch, but also I'd love to see a teenager join him on his travels. Just to see how they both interact with each other. :D

Flyboy
April 28th, 2008, 10:19 AM
I can see that Flying Officer Bennett is having a field day with this episode. Just don't wet your pants now. :P

Seeing Donna weighing up her experiences with the Doctor as being dangerous, yet brilliant, is becoming a repetitive cycle with the companions. It's getting a tad boring having companions with domestic lives waiting for them back in London. Wouldn't it be great if we could start to get some TARDIS crew who a) weren't female (or gay), b) weren't from Earth (specifically London), and c) didn't have a fragile family waiting in the wings to be threatened by the Doctor's enemies. All I'm saying is that when it comes time to cast a new sidekick that they think outside the blue box.

ANYway, I sure liked the episode, it felt like Who and it played like Who, and the inclusion of UNIT and the Sontarans gave it a solid presentation. I'm not sure if it was worth making a two-parter out of it though, as I fear the conclusion will be much the same as the first part. But I hope to be wrong.
It's true... I was practically squeeing by the end of the episode....

I love it so and it annoys me so, but there we go :-p

huntress
April 28th, 2008, 12:18 PM
I can't say much about it, because I saw it was rather blah for me. Not bad but nothing like the last two episodes. I leave final judegement up to the end of the second episode.

I liked Donna "driving" The look on the doctors face "I can't believe I am doing this" "Neither can I" I wonder how long she begged him for this LOL
I loved the simple scene of Donna walking home and she realizes that in the short period of time, so much has happened.
I want to keep Grandpa. Grabdpa is the best :nods:
Doctor! I bet you are good in squash ^_^
An evil Martha clone ....-_- oh well it was time for that I guess. Star Trek used that particular scifi gimmick since the first series and I haven't seen it yet used with the new doctors (I haven't see enough from the earlier years to know if this was used or not)

Madeleine
April 28th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I have a feeling that there was an android Romana in an ep which was a ripoff of The Prisoner of Zenda. Or something.

Fenrir Foxz
April 28th, 2008, 12:39 PM
I have a feeling that there was an android Romana in an ep which was a ripoff of The Prisoner of Zenda. Or something.

Do you mean the serial: 'The Androids of Tara'?

Synopsis: "Finding the fourth segment of the Key to Time was simple enough, but holding onto it may be another matter. The Fourth Doctor and Romana find themselves embroiled in the political games of the planet Tara, where doubles, android or otherwise, complicate the coronation of Prince Reynart."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Androids_of_Tara

I remember there was an android copy of Romana in this...

Madeleine
April 28th, 2008, 12:43 PM
Yup, that's the one. :)

Mr Prophet
April 28th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Basically, Benton becoming a Warrant Officer (which is not a commissioned post) was one of the highest privilidges he could achieve.

I believe the next step up is God.

And I have to agree with those who've raised the question of UNIT (I heard that the UN are no longer happy letting the Beeb call them the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, although the production team's story is that it's part of the update) recruitment standards. Surely the induction includes basics like 'spotting signs of hypnosis, brain-washing, robo-man control and the early stages of cyber-conversion' along with 'advanced bullet selection' and 'appropriate grit in the face of overwhelming alien combat technology'.

Flyboy
April 28th, 2008, 03:03 PM
I believe the next step up is God.

And I have to agree with those who've raised the question of UNIT (I heard that the UN are no longer happy letting the Beeb call them the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, although the production team's story is that it's part of the update) recruitment standards. Surely the induction includes basics like 'spotting signs of hypnosis, brain-washing, robo-man control and the early stages of cyber-conversion' along with 'advanced bullet selection' and 'appropriate grit in the face of overwhelming alien combat technology'.
I think Warrant Officers may disagree with you. They ARE God.

There was an RAF Warrant Officer I knew once and he was walking across the parade square and an airmen was sorta half running across and didnt acknowledge the WO, the WO paused and bellowed: "Airman! GET BACK HERE!" The airman ran back and stood to attention infront of the WO, who said:

"Airman, there are only two people who can walk across MY parade square, me, and God. God gets away with it cause I can't see him, what's your excuse!?"

As for UNIT recruitment and training, why... here's a list of their basic publications:

http://www.unit.org.uk/publications.shtml

Gate-builder
April 28th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Seeing Donna weighing up her experiences with the Doctor as being dangerous, yet brilliant, is becoming a repetitive cycle with the companions. It's getting a tad boring having companions with domestic lives waiting for them back in London. Wouldn't it be great if we could start to get some TARDIS crew who a) weren't female (or gay), b) weren't from Earth (specifically London), and c) didn't have a fragile family waiting in the wings to be threatened by the Doctor's enemies. All I'm saying is that when it comes time to cast a new sidekick that they think outside the blue box.


I agree. Thats why I liked Jack as a companion. (Apart from the whole gay thing) He knew what he was doing to a certain extent as well so he wasn't so helpless.

Dusk
April 28th, 2008, 07:49 PM
I agree. Thats why I liked Jack as a companion. (Apart from the whole gay thing) He knew what he was doing to a certain extent as well so he wasn't so helpless.

I liked Jack on board too, the closest this series has gotten to a wild card companion. However, I believe I read somewhere that from a narrative perspective, the companion represents us the audience, and therefore the more we can relate to the character the better. I don't know about the average viewer, but I could certainly relate to someone who wasn't just a 21st century Londoner lady.

Reefgirl
April 29th, 2008, 12:03 AM
I think Warrant Officers may disagree with you. They ARE God.

I agree there, I used to work with an Army chef who told me about an RSM who could be heard all over the camp when he yelled, they used to say 'If you couldn't see him, he wasn't yelling at you'

Pitry
April 29th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Yup, that's the one. :)

Ah, but she was a good android. :)

Mr Prophet
April 29th, 2008, 09:02 AM
As for UNIT recruitment and training, why... here's a list of their basic publications:

http://www.unit.org.uk/publications.shtml

So this is a classic 13b then.

Flyboy
April 29th, 2008, 10:01 AM
So this is a classic 13b then.
Exactly.

Looks like UNIT staff are getting a bit lax on their publication reading... for shame. The Brigadier would go spare.

Mr Prophet
April 29th, 2008, 10:16 AM
Exactly.

Looks like UNIT staff are getting a bit lax on their publication reading... for shame. The Brigadier would go spare.

"Overlooking a perfectly obvious 13b. Damned sloppy, man. Damned sloppy."

Flyboy
April 29th, 2008, 10:38 AM
Prophet! That was hilarious, but alas Gateworld won't let me green you.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4945/13bei2.jpg

Mr Prophet
April 29th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Yay! Can I swipe that for an icon?

BruTak
April 29th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Anyone get a good look at thev UNIT ID passes?

I need to upgrade my UNIT costume again...

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/Silent-Ninja/DSCF11251.jpg

Flyboy
April 29th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Yay! Can I swipe that for an icon?
Of course. :)

Willow'sCat
April 29th, 2008, 09:21 PM
I wasn't really impressed (hence my taking three days to post this).

I mean Martha for a start gives this a no need to watch element for me :cool: and they have totally ruined my love (yes weird arsed love) for the Sontaran characters. A little like having the Cybermen saying delete killed my love of the bottleheads.

So it is true; you really can't go back home. :(

Good stuff was Donna the super!temp :D
The Doctor, just love the banter between him and well, everyone! ;)
The clone idea (now this is how clones should be in scifi *cough* :rolleyes:)

I guess other then Martha (no I will not let it go) the worst part about the show was yet another 'take over the world' plot. I know, but honestly it is almost every week! Couldn't they just take over the local shop for change. Maybe not.

4/10

Next week better kick it up a notch... so far a little disappointed in the series. :cool::(

Um... did they mention Rose or the bees? :S

ShadowMaat
April 29th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I know, but honestly it is almost every week! Couldn't they just take over the local shop for change. Maybe not.
That could make for a pretty hilarious plot. The Doctor and Donna stumble across some intricate alien plot and rush in to Save the Day figuring it's yet another Take Over the World Scheme only to find out it's just some alien businessman trying to start a Chip Shop Empire or something. ;)

Pitry
April 30th, 2008, 02:34 AM
Um... did they mention Rose or the bees? :S

No, this week it was another mention of the Medusa Cascade.
So far:
-Medusa Cascade X3
-Shadow Porclamation X2
-Disappearing planets X2
-Rose X2 (or possibly 3)
-Disappearing bees X2
-There's something on your back.

What's "cascade" anyways? *goes to onlien dictionaries*

AvatarIII
April 30th, 2008, 07:22 AM
No, this week it was another mention of the Medusa Cascade.
So far:
-Medusa Cascade X3
-Shadow Proclamation X2
-Disappearing planets X2
-Rose X2 (or possibly 3)
-Disappearing bees X2
-There's something on your back.

What's "cascade" anyways? *goes to onlien dictionaries*

cascade? it's what a waterall does, it's basically like falling, but more systematic, tends to be via layers or levels. well, thats my understanding of the word anyway.

Pitry
April 30th, 2008, 12:21 PM
cascade? it's what a waterall does, it's basically like falling, but more systematic, tends to be via layers or levels. well, thats my understanding of the word anyway.

Yeah, that's what my dictionary claimed. Cheers ;)

Willow'sCat
April 30th, 2008, 05:18 PM
The line about there being something on Donna's back just makes me think about *Classic* The Planet of the Spiders. :P I spent a lot of time after that eppy looking over my shoulder. :S:D

ShadowMaat
April 30th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Maybe it'll be a birthmark that'll be the key to everything. A birthmark that looks remarkably like the words Bad Wolf. :)

BruTak
April 30th, 2008, 10:08 PM
The line about there being something on Donna's back just makes me think about *Classic* The Planet of the Spiders. :P I spent a lot of time after that eppy looking over my shoulder. :S:D

There's a rumour going round thatDonna may be being controlled by the Empress of the Rachnoss somhow.

huntress
May 1st, 2008, 02:08 AM
That could make for a pretty hilarious plot. The Doctor and Donna stumble across some intricate alien plot and rush in to Save the Day figuring it's yet another Take Over the World Scheme only to find out it's just some alien businessman trying to start a Chip Shop Empire or something. ;)

You know that would actually be really amusing and different from the usual "Save the World" theme :D

MasySyma
May 1st, 2008, 05:21 AM
You know that would actually be really amusing and different from the usual "Save the World" theme :D

True. They could always fight off the alien who wants to "save" the world too. The Doctor and Donna must fight off an alien who wants to unite Earth under one banner by making one group stronger than the rest.

For a small little rock without a lot of technology, Earth seems to attract way too much attention to itself sometimes.

huntress
May 2nd, 2008, 02:15 AM
True. They could always fight off the alien who wants to "save" the world too. The Doctor and Donna must fight off an alien who wants to unite Earth under one banner by making one group stronger than the rest.

For a small little rock without a lot of technology, Earth seems to attract way too much attention to itself sometimes.

ROFL yeah that is what I am thinking too and that why it is so funny that Douglas Adams wrote quite a few DW storylines in his time. He is after all the guy who claimed that we are "Mostly Harmless" :D Period.

Merlin's_Legacy
May 16th, 2008, 08:30 PM
During the Doctor's "goodbye" speech to Donna, I think I heard him say "The broken moment of the Medusa Cascade" (I know he said Medusa Cascade, but the "broken moment of" part was a bit unclear, but then after Donna gets in the Jeep, she says something to the effect of "The broken moment of what?"

Is "Broken Moment" actually what was said?

Gate-builder
May 16th, 2008, 08:51 PM
During the Doctor's "goodbye" speech to Donna, I think I heard him say "The broken moment of the Medusa Cascade" (I know he said Medusa Cascade, but the "broken moment of" part was a bit unclear, but then after Donna gets in the Jeep, she says something to the effect of "The broken moment of what?"

Is "Broken Moment" actually what was said?

I heard 'broken moon,' but you are right, it was a bit hard to understand. DT talks rather fast sometimes :D

ShadowMaat
May 16th, 2008, 11:28 PM
According to the closed captioning on SCIFI it's "the fifteenth broken moon of the Medusa Cascade."

Merlin's_Legacy
May 18th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Ahhh.... So now there is a bit of a clue. The Medusa Cascade must be a star system or a group of solar systems, most likely once beautiful then ruined and made "ugly" somehow to make the Medusa myth fit. (I'm beginning to think that certain elements of both Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures might be relevant to this season as well.)

nx01a
May 20th, 2008, 12:16 PM
Another enjoyable episode.

Donna's learning to drive stick in the Tardis.

Martha's ordering around UNIT troops, though I can't figure out why. She's the doc who can call The Doc and then check the personnel or any aliens found, not coordinate the surgical strike against the place.

The Doctor really needs to get over his 'no guns' policy. As it pointed out constantly and as Torchwood proves every week, the Doctor isn't around full time to save us. He may show up to save the planet, but who saves the family from the rogue alien, or the town from an extradimensional slug, or the country from a fat-nanny? If he wants to nurse us through our existence without violence, then do so full time. If not, don't complain about what we do to survive when he's not around and the dangers still exist.

The car navigation and CO2 device is topical, though I wonder exactly why the Doctor just didn't break the windows with the sonic screwdriver to escape? It CAN do that, right? And the Sontarans employ some kind of temporal technology in the devices? I realize they obviously have FTL capability, but should they have even 'primitive' time technology?

It was great to see a companion finally think of herself and her family. Martha and Rose are prime examples of what happens to the collateral in a companion's life: damage. I loved the flashbacks as Donna approached home. Despite all she'd seen, home was the place that made her the happiest. Smart woman. The recognition scene between the individual Noble family members and the Doctor was hilarious.

Contrast that with the Ratt boy. A genius who feels that Earth isn't a home and is willing to let it get terraformed [if that's what the Atmos units are doing] so he can go off and live among the stars with the aliens who he hopes will accept him. The brilliant can also be the most dim. Him joining in the Sontaran war chant was laughable, though I found myself humming along, as well.

I was deathly afraid the Sontarans were doing the whole Dalek 'inhabit human bodies as the next step in our glorious evolution!'. Thank goodness not. Poor Martha and RepliMartha. I see someone having to kill RepliMartha, not realizing it's a clone. That won't make the Doctor very happy, especially if it's the Doctor, or Donna. Those two brainwashed soldiers really need to bite it for being stupid.

The Sontaran ship looked alot like the handheld transmat device from a Torchwood episode, the one where Tosh and the alien...;) I've enjoyed how alien ships in Who leave trails of smoke. Even the most advanced technologies still damage the world around them. The little trails behind the Sontaran war globes made them look like the sentinels from The Matrix movies.

As for the Medusa Cascade... I think destruction when I hear 'cascade', especially since it was something the Doctor apparently did during the Time War. Sealing a time rift, the Master said? Perhaps that destroyed the system, or the Doctor turned the Daleks there to stone. Or froze them in time.:P Either way, maybe all these missing planets are being relocated TO the Medusa Cascade, to rebuild after the damage the Doctor inflicted/rectified? The Doctor did mention the 'half moon', so things obviously aren't pristine there.

Another enjoyable episode. More of the same!

Coco Pops
July 27th, 2008, 08:08 AM
They managed to cover up the battle of canary wharf and the cyberman invasion in every country of the world simultaneously, compared to that this should be easy. Just say that Atmos had a fundamental design flaw, you could even tell the truth, that the genius kid designed it to kill everyone, just leave out the bit with the aliens.


But in Voyage Of The Damned it didn't look much like a cover up with news stories saying how Londoners have deserted the place because of alien attacks.

So I don't see a need for acover up here.

Also DW has been borrowing ship designs from other shows. In Partners In Crime the Adipose spaceship looked like a ship from Babylon 5.

In this episide the Sontaren ship looked a hell of a lot like the Drej ship from Titan A.E. If it were a glowy blue it would have been the same ship IMHO

Oh yeah and why didn't they just break the car window?

maneth
April 26th, 2013, 08:53 AM
Yeah, the car window thing was stupid. Other than that the episode was pretty good, and I can't wait for part 2!

P-90_177
April 27th, 2013, 08:55 AM
But in Voyage Of The Damned it didn't look much like a cover up with news stories saying how Londoners have deserted the place because of alien attacks.

So I don't see a need for acover up here.

Also DW has been borrowing ship designs from other shows. In Partners In Crime the Adipose spaceship looked like a ship from Babylon 5.

In this episide the Sontaren ship looked a hell of a lot like the Drej ship from Titan A.E. If it were a glowy blue it would have been the same ship IMHO

Oh yeah and why didn't they just break the car window?

Well maybe but only in the same way that StarFuries look like X-Wings.