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Kebab Gud
April 18th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Now.. given that the pheonix appeared just a few months into the future of an alternate timeline, i think its safe to say that its currently being made..
and.. I personally believe that Sam Carter will in fact become the boss on that ship..

Why?

Well.. shes not a series regular in SGA season 5, but will appear in a few episodes.
My guess is that after Richard Woolsey taker over, sam is given command of the phoenix .. that way she will still be a part of the series, but only appears now and then..

Durgia
April 18th, 2008, 12:42 PM
or maybe they will just mention the ship in passing and we will never actually see it. We already have 2 well established ship captains, we don't need more :k

Kebab Gud
April 18th, 2008, 12:52 PM
or maybe they will just mention the ship in passing and we will never actually see it. We already have 2 well established ship captains, we don't need more :k

Actually.. three

Steven Caldwell (Daedalus)
Paul Emerson (Odyssey)
Abe Ellis (Apollo)

Angelgrinder
April 18th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Well, as it was rushed into production and it wasn't really finished when they got it, we can't be 100% it will ever appear.

DavidTheGaul
April 18th, 2008, 12:56 PM
I maybe confused but Isn't Paul Emerson dead ?

Kebab Gud
April 18th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I maybe confused but Isn't Paul Emerson dead ?

true... Davidson is the new commander of the odyssey..
but Emerson was a well established character non the less :P

Apollo214
April 18th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Well when the Phoenix does get installed to canon, maybe it should be a milk way ship, I mean you already have the Deadelus, and the Apollo at Atlantis's disposale maybe the phoenix will partner with the oddyssey...

Kebab Gud
April 18th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Well when the Phoenix does get installed to canon, maybe it should be a milk way ship, I mean you already have the Deadelus, and the Apollo at Atlantis's disposale maybe the phoenix will partner with the odyssey...

that is whats probably going to happen..
but given that earth has no immediate threat, while Atlantis is fighting a war .. it will probably be seen in pegasus a few times..

hell the odyssey has also been in pegasus..
Also.. the Pheonix will probably have alot more up to date Weapons then Apollo and Deadelus (Given its built after the Asgard gave us all their stuff) so it might still be stationed in Pegasus

rlr149
April 18th, 2008, 02:54 PM
http://www.antoniogenna.net/simpson/futurama/sfondi/1024x768Zapp.jpg

ahem, the limit for stuff iwth IMG tags is no wider than 700 pixels and 75K or less

General Catflap
April 18th, 2008, 03:05 PM
LOL! Your so right rlr149!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brains12
April 18th, 2008, 04:50 PM
The Daedalus-class ships are getting old. Time for a new reskinned ship already.

Pharaoh Atem
April 18th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Ba'al would make a great captain :D

rielgenius1688
April 18th, 2008, 05:17 PM
How bout Walter? he's due for a promotion

Pharaoh Atem
April 18th, 2008, 05:19 PM
How bout Walter? he's due for a promotion
"set chevrons to maximum......i mean weapons"

Ferret
April 18th, 2008, 05:32 PM
How bout Walter? he's due for a promotion

Yeah, he's well overdue for one.

Bobby
April 18th, 2008, 05:40 PM
The Daedalus-class ships are getting old. Time for a new reskinned ship already.

i agree i think its about time they made a new style ship...im not saying the daedalus-class ships look bad but it will be cool to make a newer kind...but i suppose that doesnt really go with the pictures u saw of it in the last man

rlr149
April 18th, 2008, 05:41 PM
http://www.antoniogenna.net/simpson/futurama/sfondi/1024x768Zapp.jpg

ahem, the limit for stuff iwth IMG tags is no wider than 700 pixels and 75K or less

and yet it doesn't say that in the rules (http://forum.gateworld.net/faq.php?faq=faq_cat_basics#faq_rules):mckay:

and you might wanna see someone about that cough, sounds nasty;)

fugiman
April 18th, 2008, 09:03 PM
i agree i think its about time they made a new style ship...im not saying the daedalus-class ships look bad but it will be cool to make a newer kind...but i suppose that doesnt really go with the pictures u saw of it in the last man

No its not time for Earth to get a new ship its time for Earth to mass produce their kick ass super powerful ships that can we can make

Janus
April 18th, 2008, 10:09 PM
I think it's time for Earth got get it's hand on some Ancient hardware to cover Pegasus - I'm thinking Aurora-class here - then we can use the Daedalus, Odyssey, Apollo and (once she's build) Phoenix to go and kick the cr*p out the Lucian Alliance. If Earth doesn't do that now, we'll be stuck with a major problem later.

YutheGreat
April 18th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Probably Carter, Its a way out and they can bring her back when the time comes that we need the entire fleet.

Bobby
April 18th, 2008, 11:58 PM
No its not time for Earth to get a new ship its time for Earth to mass produce their kick ass super powerful ships that can we can make

all i want is a new disign or something...it needs more curves in it...like the new holden commendore compared to the last

Kebab Gud
April 19th, 2008, 02:40 AM
I dont think its time to change out the 304.. but it think its time we get to see someone like.. mckey doing some work on the X-305

Col. Shadow Quinn
April 19th, 2008, 09:27 AM
Possibilities
-Carter
-Marks
-a never before mentioned person.

nich959
April 19th, 2008, 09:52 AM
Ha walter in command of a ship, that would be very awesome.
The actor must have got sick of saying

"unsheduelled offworld activation"

Chevron 7 locked"

and

"Recieving sg1s idc sir"

for 10 years on and off

SGASG!
April 19th, 2008, 01:21 PM
Walter would make a good ship captain. Its amazing that he has managed not to get promoted for ten years when he has been doing excellent work while Carter, who has an altogether different job, gets promoted 3 times in that same period of time.

jenks
April 19th, 2008, 01:47 PM
Walter has been promoted, he was promoted in between season 8 and 9.

Col. Newman
April 19th, 2008, 03:45 PM
I don't think they should replace the Daedalus class I think they should just add another class. maybe a class of frigates for planetary defense or supply ship escort. And the look of the earth ships is fine, adding curves is a waste of resources and it cuts down on space.

gkyun
April 29th, 2008, 07:42 AM
How bout Walter? he's due for a promotion

Walter is already a Chief Master Sergeant, which is the highest rank for an enlisted airman.

Kebab Gud
April 29th, 2008, 08:10 AM
The more i think about it the more logical ship for Carter is The Odyssey

Flyboy
April 29th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Now.. given that the pheonix appeared just a few months into the future of an alternate timeline, i think its safe to say that its currently being made..
and.. I personally believe that Sam Carter will in fact become the boss on that ship..

Why?

Well.. shes not a series regular in SGA season 5, but will appear in a few episodes.
My guess is that after Richard Woolsey taker over, sam is given command of the phoenix .. that way she will still be a part of the series, but only appears now and then..
Boss? aye aye aye... ships' Captain, please.


How bout Walter? he's due for a promotion

Being a ship's Captain is a job for an Officer. Walter is enlisted. He's now basically the in charge of the Gate Room frankly, reporting directly to General Landry. He's as important as he's gonna get, which is pretty important.

The trouble is, the gateverse isn't known for its accurate representation of "other ranks" ie Airmen and Sergeants etc, in reality SG teams would have at one to two officers with anything from 3-6 other ranks, including a Sergeant who is incredibly important in such situations.

As for commanding the ship, I do see it being Carter, but not only is it a step down from Atlantis, it's also a completely different direction. Carter has commanded a science team in Area 51 (her first real command) and then she was in essence promoted to station commander with Atlantis. She should now either take control of an offworld base in our galaxy or recieve further promotion and higher command. Commanding a ship is a backwards step, and is in no way similar. Frankly, even though the Navy should be commanding the ships, it's the Air Force who are, and as such, I would want someone who's had considerable pilot experience to be in the chair, Carter has not.

PG15
April 29th, 2008, 10:56 AM
I'm a complete noob at military...stuff; but what does being an experienced pilot have to do with driving around a massive space ship like the Phoenix? Especially when you're not the one piloting it?

And I do believe Carter has already clocked air time in the Middle East, or something like that. She mentioned it in Children of the Gods.

Specter177
April 29th, 2008, 03:07 PM
Yea, she had a bunch of F-16 time during the Gulf War. Plus, I would consider commanding a ship as opposed to Atlantis as being a step up. Instead of just sending people off to do the fun stuff and doing paperwork, she would get to go kick some Wraith butt. Also, the Air Force is the one building the ships and running the SGC, not to mention that space is the Air Force's domain, no reason it shouldn't be Air Force personnel commanding the ships.

Flyboy
April 29th, 2008, 03:31 PM
I'm a complete noob at military...stuff; but what does being an experienced pilot have to do with driving around a massive space ship like the Phoenix? Especially when you're not the one piloting it?

And I do believe Carter has already clocked air time in the Middle East, or something like that. She mentioned it in Children of the Gods.
Very little admittadly.

But what you need to realise is this, commanding a ship is Naval officers job, Air Force officers have no skill in commanding a tactical vessel such as the 304s, where as some Naval officers would have. Thus we have to speculate as to what skills are most required by an Air Force officer commanding a vessel. I would argue that either Pilots or Weapons Systems Officers (http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/weaponsystemofficer.cfm) are most suited. Why? For the same reason it's typically pilots that end up in senior command positions. They are familiar with basic flight principles and have a lot more experience with it. It's not about YOU piloting it, it's about the understanding. In fact, I'd argue that a WSO was better suited for commanding a ship than a pilot, but there we go. Simply moving from a command to commanding a ship is like going from running a farm to keeping a wildlife preseve. They may sound similar, but you need different experiences. Atlantis requires simple command skills, where as a 304 requires much more experience in the field of space combat and such.


Yea, she had a bunch of F-16 time during the Gulf War. Plus, I would consider commanding a ship as opposed to Atlantis as being a step up. Instead of just sending people off to do the fun stuff and doing paperwork, she would get to go kick some Wraith butt. Also, the Air Force is the one building the ships and running the SGC, not to mention that space is the Air Force's domain, no reason it shouldn't be Air Force personnel commanding the ships.

As for it being a step up, I disagree, for one, promotion takes one AWAY from the front line, not towards it. It is a greater responsibility to command the operations centre than the vessels or teams carrying out its bidding. At the end of the day, Daedalus acts on the Atlantis Commander's orders, not vice versa. Additionally, Carters flight experience was over 10 years ago, 17 if it was during the Gulf if I recall. Furthemore, though the USAF has staked its claim on space combat for the US military, the command of a ship is still one which would suit the Navy better. The only reason the USAF got control is because current or immediate future space operations will involve ships that resemble current aircraft in that they lack a crew as such... with either space fighters being developed or space craft like the C-130 Hercules, both are suited to an AF. A 304 is suited to the Navy. But that's beside the point.

Cameron Mitchel
April 29th, 2008, 03:56 PM
that is whats probably going to happen..
but given that earth has no immediate threat, while Atlantis is fighting a war .. it will probably be seen in pegasus a few times..

hell the odyssey has also been in pegasus..
Also.. the Pheonix will probably have alot more up to date Weapons then Apollo and Deadelus (Given its built after the Asgard gave us all their stuff) so it might still be stationed in Pegasus
Odyssey? in Pegasus? You're very mistaken. Odyssey has always been in SG-1. Daedalus and Apollo are in Pegasus.

Zatnikitelman
April 29th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Research the "Pegasus Project" Cam. It's been there, I'd stake 1000 Zatnikitels on it!

Seriously, quit saying the 304 is old and needs to be replaced. Hell, the Enterprise has been in service since 1961 and will stay in service until 2014-15. All it needs is upgrades.

AirForce is better at space in general. Navy commanders think in 2d oceans with some thought towards the sky, while pilots and the AF are always thinking about all three dimensions. A Navy commander/helmsman might have yawed Odyssey around the Ori ship in Unending, while the AF commander/helmsman pitched Odyssey up and around.

On topic now, I'd go with Carter as she has the frontline experience needed for a 304 command. If not Carter, then Marks needs a turn in the center seat cause he's been with the ships since Prometheus (R.I.P.). From what we've seen, commanding a 304 requires the 3rd party, backseat kind of command that a base commander goes through, as well as the frontline experience needed to make split-second decisions and potentially fateful second by second combat decisions.

Kebab Gud
April 29th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Odyssey? in Pegasus? You're very mistaken. Odyssey has always been in SG-1. Daedalus and Apollo are in Pegasus.

in "Pegasus Project" it went to Pegasus and took out an Ori Mothership and a Wraith Hiveship ... at once :P

fugiman
April 29th, 2008, 09:49 PM
in "Pegasus Project" it went to Pegasus and took out an Ori Mothership and a Wraith Hiveship ... at once :P

Normally you have to pay double for that kind of action;)

Risem
April 30th, 2008, 12:09 AM
"set chevrons to maximum......i mean weapons"

lol. :D

He'd be great comic relief as a captain, but might just get himself and the crew killed. XD

Flyboy
April 30th, 2008, 04:15 AM
AirForce is better at space in general. Navy commanders think in 2d oceans with some thought towards the sky, while pilots and the AF are always thinking about all three dimensions. A Navy commander/helmsman might have yawed Odyssey around the Ori ship in Unending, while the AF commander/helmsman pitched Odyssey up and around.



That statement is unfounded, there's no evidence for that in either reality or the gateverse. Furthermore, what about submarine captains?

Col. Newman
April 30th, 2008, 01:31 PM
and what about Naval Aviators?

gkyun
April 30th, 2008, 01:46 PM
and what about Naval Aviators?

Good point. I believe aircraft carrier captains would be quite suitable for commanding spaceships like the 304. But then their knowledge of exospheric flight operations may be more limited than that of the Air Force...

Gater-aide
April 30th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Now.. given that the pheonix appeared just a few months into the future of an alternate timeline, i think its safe to say that its currently being made..
and.. I personally believe that Sam Carter will in fact become the boss on that ship..

Why?

Well.. shes not a series regular in SGA season 5, but will appear in a few episodes.
My guess is that after Richard Woolsey taker over, sam is given command of the phoenix .. that way she will still be a part of the series, but only appears now and then..

Possibly Major Marks (It would have to be Bird Colonel Marks though). Given that he was a leiutenant in Avalon, and a major in Unending (promoted alot in such a short time frame) I wouldn't doubt it.

Don't expect Major Davis to get it though He's been a Major for the past 9 years (Since season 2's A matter of Time). Don't get me wrong I think he should get promoted given he's long overdue (Was a major when Carter was a captain, is still a major when Carter is a Bird Colonel).

Flyboy
May 2nd, 2008, 09:38 AM
and what about Naval Aviators?
Aye Aye Aye. Just because I argue that the Navy is the best force to operate 304s doesnt mean any Navy officer is ideal for the command position. I'm not sure what they're called in the USAF, but in the Royal Navy what we call "Warfare Officers" are ideal for the position. Warfare Officers are responsible for the commanding of ships and such, in essence EXACTLY the role that 304 captains have to perform, the only extra required is ship specific training.

Naval aviators are no better qualified than Airforce Pilots unless they've converted to become a warfare officer already.

Why the bloody hell do people think that commanding a ship is anything like commanding a base, or anything like flying a plane? They're totally different. Being a pilot in the air force is just the closest expertise you could have without going Navy for this role, even flying larger multi engine aircraft such as the VC-10, Globemaster, or Sentry do not equip you sufficiently for a command such as this. Commanding a base is mostly admin, O'Neill even said in one episode, he had to make a decision about MESS FOOD, ok, with a Command such as the SGC there are also grand strategical considerations to be made, but all these are by far completely different (note - NOT less than) those of a ship's commander. And for that particular role, the experience of a Naval warfare officer outshines ANY Air Force officer.

Col. Newman
May 2nd, 2008, 10:26 PM
I was more meaning that a Naval Aviator that eventually becomes a ship Captain would be very well rounded.


FTR being a pilot does not qualify you to be a Commanding officer of a ship.

Flyboy
May 3rd, 2008, 02:53 AM
I was more meaning that a Naval Aviator that eventually becomes a ship Captain would be very well rounded.


FTR being a pilot does not qualify you to be a Commanding officer of a ship.
FTR - I know it doesn't. But out of all the Air Force professions it's the one best suited. Particularly if you've flown multi-engine aircraft as opposed to fast jets. The Naval Aviators you mentioned are good examples actually, in the RN Pilots can become Warfare Officers and that would be an ideal type of Officer to command a 304.

I would normally JUST argue that the Navy should run the 304s, but that's not what this debate is, we KNOW it'll be AF, so I might as well focus on which AF officers are better equipped. Pilots (particularly if they flew multis) and WSOs (known as "Observers" in some walks of life) are the best AF officers for the role entirely based on their skill. WSOs are practically Aircraft Commanders in some instances, and both professions have to make similar judgements to that which a 304 commander would make. Similar, but not as similar as a warfare officer in the Navy would make. The WSO is in some ways better than a pilot as he focuses entirely on thinking, not flying, and can tell the pilot what he ought to do, a job more in line with the nature of commanding a 304.



Does the fact that Carter was promoted from Captain to full bird Colonel in 10 years have something to do with her scientific abilities and achievements, as well as all the hazardous duty she's been in over all those years (on a regular basis), when the others mentioned (Walter, Davis, etc.) have not? Walter and Davis have mostly had desk jobs for all those years and have not been in battle situations (outside the SGC itself, that is).

Walter WAS promoted. He started out as a Sergeant and ended up Chief Master Sergeant, he's been promoted as far as he can be, but his role is that which keeps him on earth, you need to remember that you don't just have Officers and NCOs, every Officer and NCO has a role, one which can sometimes limit or enhance promotion.

Davis on the other hand is a mystery. I can only assume by now he is a Lt Colonel, otherwise believability would be a bit stretched... the thing with Carter, is her first promotion to Major was early on. We can only presume she'd been Captain for a while, and thus Major was overdue, particularly considering her actions. Following that, it took her about 6 years to get to Lt Col, which would have been based on merit, not time in service, and in parts, the fact that it was O'Neill who promoted her. She was again, probably due for it. As for full bird Colonel, I'm not sure. It DID strike me as a tad quick, but then, this is the gateverse, and it very likely was based on everything she's done.

jasminaGo
May 3rd, 2008, 03:28 AM
Walter WAS promoted. He started out as a Sergeant and ended up Chief Master Sergeant, he's been promoted as far as he can be, but his role is that which keeps him on earth, you need to remember that you don't just have Officers and NCOs, every Officer and NCO has a role, one which can sometimes limit or enhance promotion.

Davis on the other hand is a mystery. I can only assume by now he is a Lt Colonel, otherwise believability would be a bit stretched... the thing with Carter, is her first promotion to Major was early on. We can only presume she'd been Captain for a while, and thus Major was overdue, particularly considering her actions. Following that, it took her about 6 years to get to Lt Col, which would have been based on merit, not time in service, and in parts, the fact that it was O'Neill who promoted her. She was again, probably due for it. As for full bird Colonel, I'm not sure. It DID strike me as a tad quick, but then, this is the gateverse, and it very likely was based on everything she's done.

Someone posted info about promotions on another thread (I don't remember where) and it said that a person has to be a Lt.Col. at least three years before they are eligible for a promotion to a full bird Colonel. Since Sam became Lt.Col at the begining of S8, it's been around three years till the end of S10 and I assume they promoted her as soon as possible.

And IMO she is a very likely candidate for command of the Phoenix. Like someone mentioned before, it will allow for her to leave the series but still be able to come back as a guest star. And honestly Stargate doesn't exactly have a great track record about who they give command of what, and are those people the best options for that position.

Flyboy
May 3rd, 2008, 03:46 AM
Someone posted info about promotions on another thread (I don't remember where) and it said that a person has to be a Lt.Col. at least three years before they are eligible for a promotion to a full bird Colonel. Since Sam became Lt.Col at the begining of S8, it's been around three years till the end of S10 and I assume they promoted her as soon as possible.

And IMO she is a very likely candidate for command of the Phoenix. Like someone mentioned before, it will allow for her to leave the series but still be able to come back as a guest star. And honestly Stargate doesn't exactly have a great track record about who they give command of what, and are those people the best options for that position.
From a writers perspective, yes, she's an ideal candidate, just not from a military perspective.

jasminaGo
May 3rd, 2008, 04:00 AM
From a writers perspective, yes, she's an ideal candidate, just not from a military perspective.

Unfortunately, since it's just a TV show the writers perspective will be taken into consideration more then the military one.

:mckay:

Flyboy
May 3rd, 2008, 04:03 AM
Unfortunately, since it's just a TV show the writers perspective will be taken into consideration more then the military one.

:mckay:
So much for military advisors...

jasminaGo
May 3rd, 2008, 04:17 AM
So much for military advisors...

I think the military advisors role is exactly the same as they showed it in Wormhole X-treme...Stay in the back and don't talk.

Flyboy
May 3rd, 2008, 05:41 AM
I think the military advisors role is exactly the same as they showed it in Wormhole X-treme...Stay in the back and don't talk.
Was hoping someone would say that. ;)

PG15
May 3rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
I doubt they were treated like that; otherwise the airforce wouldn't have given them F-15s to play with. ;)

Kebab Gud
May 3rd, 2008, 11:52 AM
I doubt they were treated like that; otherwise the airforce wouldn't have given them F-15s to play with. ;)

or made RDA a honorary Brigadier General

atfan
May 8th, 2008, 10:00 AM
Good point. I believe aircraft carrier captains would be quite suitable for commanding spaceships like the 304. But then their knowledge of exospheric flight operations may be more limited than that of the Air Force...

Traditionally NASA has been made up Naval,Airforce and Marine aviators. So either could train on a 304 I would think.

atfan
May 8th, 2008, 10:02 AM
I doubt they were treated like that; otherwise the airforce wouldn't have given them F-15s to play with. ;)

Hmm then how do you explain the new Atlantis uniforms definitely not my military I can tell you that.

PG15
May 8th, 2008, 11:09 AM
They're civillian uniforms...

Mitchell82
May 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Hmm then how do you explain the new Atlantis uniforms definitely not my military I can tell you that.

Because those are the civilian and or base uniforms.

jonos101
May 10th, 2008, 10:16 PM
this threads gettin abit OT, anyway i recon it will be Col. Lorne. think about it, in TLM he was General so he has to get promoted at some point

Mitchell82
May 11th, 2008, 11:24 AM
this threads gettin abit OT, anyway i recon it will be Col. Lorne. think about it, in TLM he was General so he has to get promoted at some point

It would be LT.COl but yeah that could work.

jelgate
May 11th, 2008, 06:17 PM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitied

Col. Newman
May 11th, 2008, 06:36 PM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitiedWell it probably depends on the size of the ship and the size of the crew. IIRC The Navy has ship Captains that aren't actually at the rank of Captain.

jelgate
May 11th, 2008, 06:41 PM
A Navy captain is different. They are like an air force or army col.

Col. Newman
May 11th, 2008, 06:51 PM
A Navy captain is different. They are like an air force or army col.They are Air Force Colonels what is your point? The only comparison outside of SG of Military officers commanding ships is the Navy.

Navy Captain is of equal rank to a Colonel

Jumper_One
May 12th, 2008, 10:31 AM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitied

maybe this helps ;)
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm


Navy Captain is of equal rank to a Colonel

yup ;)
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/USCommissionedOfficerRanks.jpg

Col. Shadow Quinn
May 18th, 2008, 07:55 AM
I'm betting 50,000 USD that the CO will be someone no one has ever heard of (except in spoilers of course).

Mitchell82
May 18th, 2008, 10:52 AM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitied

Traditionally about 4-10 years and then it goes up from there. however there are special circumstances that allow a promotion quicker. And yeah a Lt. Col is a bit low for a ship commander. A full bird is more likely.

Icedragon
May 23rd, 2008, 10:41 PM
in "Pegasus Project" it went to Pegasus and took out an Ori Mothership and a Wraith Hiveship ... at once :P

Actually there would have been a slight delay.

Icedragon
May 23rd, 2008, 10:44 PM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitied

Isn't Mitchell only a LT COL. he commanded one, granted it wasn't permenant but he still did.

Merlin1701
May 25th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Introduce a new ship class in a SG1 movie and then send it to Atlantis!

Metonic
May 25th, 2008, 08:39 PM
i think we need another Prommie.

jonos101
May 26th, 2008, 02:58 AM
i think we need another Prommie.

iv said this in other threads but ill say it again, earth should mass produce the 303s coz there smaller and cheaper to build. instead of the beam weapons they could just fit it with ion cannons, have it reclasified as a destroyer and have 2 303s to escort each 304

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 03:41 PM
iv said this in other threads but ill say it again, earth should mass produce the 303s coz there smaller and cheaper to build. instead of the beam weapons they could just fit it with ion cannons, have it reclasified as a destroyer and have 2 303s to escort each 304Well technically it was never classified as anything, but I like your idea.

jonos101
May 26th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Well technically it was never classified as anything, but I like your idea.

actully it was clasified as a Battle Cruiser

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
actully it was clasified as a Battle CruiserWhen? What episode?

jonos101
May 26th, 2008, 07:40 PM
When? What episode?

im pretty sure it was "enemy mine" but i could be wrong, i also could have imagined the whole thing :p

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 07:51 PM
im pretty sure it was "enemy mine" but i could be wrong, i also could have imagined the whole thing :pWell I guess you are right I just watch the opening and Col. Edwards does seem to indicate that 303 are battle cruisers.

Mitchell82
May 26th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Well I guess you are right I just watch the opening and Col. Edwards does seem to indicate that 303 are battle cruisers.

Now I just think they are called "Daedalus Class Crusiers".

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 08:40 PM
Now I just think they are called "Daedalus Class Crusiers".We are talking about the 303's that were never built not the 304's

Mitchell82
May 26th, 2008, 08:59 PM
We are talking about the 303's that were never built not the 304's

Ah but that's because they upgraded the design to the 304 and personally going backwards is not a good idea both from a military perspective and story wise.

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Ah but that's because they upgraded the design to the 304 and personally going backwards is not a good idea both from a military perspective and story wise.The 304 are a completely new design their layout does not resemble the 303's at all.

Mitchell82
May 26th, 2008, 09:10 PM
The 304 are a completely new design their layout does not resemble the 303's at all.
I know that. The point is it looks different because it was designed for battle and to be way more powerful than Prometheus. It's a better design and it makes no sense to go backwards.

Col. Newman
May 26th, 2008, 09:16 PM
I know that. The point is it looks different because it was designed for battle and to be way more powerful than Prometheus. It's a better design and it makes no sense to go backwards.mm k I miss understood you.

jonos101
May 27th, 2008, 06:20 PM
I know that. The point is it looks different because it was designed for battle and to be way more powerful than Prometheus. It's a better design and it makes no sense to go backwards.

but its not going backwards if you slieghtly redesign the 303 and use it to escort the 304s. im not saying we should stop making 304s

atfan
May 28th, 2008, 09:02 AM
This would be a question for Mitch or someone else who is in the US military but how long can someone be a major until he (or she ) is promoted. Also a Lt Col is to low IMO to be a ship commandar but then again my knowledge on the military is limitied

You are usually a Major for around 3 years depending on your specialty or command level you can't become a LT Col until you have the leadership experience combined with in most cases an advanced degree or skill set for your specialty Plus you have to have your time in service. There are also a select number who are advanced early due to acheiving the leadership and required skill set ahead of time 6 mo.early in some cases. This link is helpful in summerizing some of this http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm
USN(ret)

dalekblaster
May 28th, 2008, 01:46 PM
there are probably quite a few ships that we just havent ever seen before, or even heard off.

and i would like sam to be in controll of the Pheonix. But i do think having hunderends of ships with hundereds of different captaisn gets stupid, maybe having the ship, but we never see inside it, and it only appears in battles against a wraith hive etc.

Specter177
May 28th, 2008, 01:50 PM
I agree, Sam should be the Phoenix commander.

Goauld System Lord
May 28th, 2008, 01:53 PM
I vote for Samantha Carter! She's ready for the job! :sam59:

Merlin1701
May 29th, 2008, 07:53 AM
but its not going backwards if you slieghtly redesign the 303 and use it to escort the 304s. im not saying we should stop making 304s

I'm in agreement...Its more likely that the 303 design was given to the russia, china, UK, etc

I want to see a sleeker vessel created!

thekillman
May 29th, 2008, 09:52 AM
either carter to have her around or a good other character.

Mitchell82
May 29th, 2008, 09:53 AM
but its not going backwards if you slieghtly redesign the 303 and use it to escort the 304s. im not saying we should stop making 304s

True. That actually could work.

Unbreak
May 29th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Boss? aye aye aye... ships' Captain, please.



Being a ship's Captain is a job for an Officer. Walter is enlisted. He's now basically the in charge of the Gate Room frankly, reporting directly to General Landry. He's as important as he's gonna get, which is pretty important.

The trouble is, the gateverse isn't known for its accurate representation of "other ranks" ie Airmen and Sergeants etc, in reality SG teams would have at one to two officers with anything from 3-6 other ranks, including a Sergeant who is incredibly important in such situations.

As for commanding the ship, I do see it being Carter, but not only is it a step down from Atlantis, it's also a completely different direction. Carter has commanded a science team in Area 51 (her first real command) and then she was in essence promoted to station commander with Atlantis. She should now either take control of an offworld base in our galaxy or recieve further promotion and higher command. Commanding a ship is a backwards step, and is in no way similar. Frankly, even though the Navy should be commanding the ships, it's the Air Force who are, and as such, I would want someone who's had considerable pilot experience to be in the chair, Carter has not.

What`s the point in having a pilot being the capitain ? Cuz he knows what the ship is capable of ? Come on, if you think about it for a second, who in earth knows more about the ships than Carter ?

I remember when Carter/Oneill are on an x302 and he says.. "ok, let`s see what this is made of" and carter replies "Sir, I can just tell you now" even though it was a joke, she really did know that. I Mean, she knows everything the ship is capable of...

And the fact that she was too fast promoted.. humm, let`s say that saving the world 8 times has something to do with it...

But about rankings, what I think SGA lacks are Majors, I mean, no major was going to atlantis ? ( John was chosen not based on his rank...but on his ATA genes)

jenks
May 30th, 2008, 07:03 AM
Lorne, Marks...

jonos101
May 30th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Lorne, Marks...

i recon it will be Lorne or Carter but it could be Marks, look at how fast he gets promoted. in 'Beachhead' he was a Lt, in Ethon he was a Capt, then 'Off the grid' he was a Major. so by now he should be a Col and by next season he will be king of th universe