Different Size Stargates

[Bodmanbod]

Okay so in SG1 and Atlantis we have seen a number of different sized stargates.

Normal size: MW/PG stargates.
Orlin's mini stargate.
The Supergates.
And lastly the Tollan gate which is slightly smaller than a normal one.

Anyway as far as i know all of these gates can be made to connect to each other, however what happens if you connect a supergate to a normal sized gate and send a large ship through???

Also the same could be said to connecting a normal sized gate to the tollan's and sending a really tall person trough or a puddle jumper.

What would happen? would the object simply not rematerialise? Would it shrink?!?! Would part of it rematerialise but the some not?

[Angelgrinder]

It was only the actually gate of the Tollans that was smaller than the normal ones, the size of the wormhole would be the same. And, I believe that you only can send matter to gates either the same size or bigger size.

[Myles]

No one knows since we've never seen something go from a larger gate to a smaller gate, only the other way around.

There could be a failsafe, you could come out proportionally smaller then before, you could simply not go through at all. All speculation will little real facts to extrapolate from.

[Col. Newman]

No one knows since we've never seen something go from a larger gate to a smaller gate, only the other way around.

There could be a failsafe, you could come out proportionally smaller then before, you could simply not go through at all. All speculation will little real facts to extrapolate from.

exactly

Just want to add that the smaller gate might just not materialize the excess. But who knows, we probably never will.

[peragrin]

No one knows since we've never seen something go from a larger gate to a smaller gate, only the other way around.

There could be a failsafe, you could come out proportionally smaller then before, you could simply not go through at all. All speculation will little real facts to extrapolate from.

That's not entirely true. We know SG1 traveled to and FROM Tollana's smaller stargate. While it wasn't on screen, it did happen. As SG1 had to return by stargate somehow.

[ijffdrie]

the event horizons were of similair size, the ring was smaller on tollana

[ascendedancient42]

From the perspective of a programmer and using some logic, here's what I'd say:

Any cautious programmer when dealing with an issue like this would disallow a gate from connecting to a smaller one, as you cannot reliably predict the other gate's ability to reconstruct the sent object as it was when it entered.

Changing the size of the object would be a serious error. The gates are supposed to rebuild the object EXACTLY like it was sent.

When human life is involved on Earth, programmers are VERY cautious. Some aircraft manufacturers on Earth force their programmers to take the test flights with their code keeping them in the air, to ensure they don't get lazy (after going through all possible on-ground tests).

I imagine the Ancients would have done something similar. We know they built a large number of safety systems into the gates and DHDs, so it stands to reason...

Edit: This may also fall under the heading of an unforeseen state for the system to be in, so errors are possible, but as a programmer, I do my best to never make assumptions and fail fast and loud when "impossible" states do happen, meaning if I'd programmed it, the gate wouldn't connect in the above situation.

[SP90]

IIRC the Tollan gate does not have the moving inner ring. The quip Jack made about the Tollan gate being smaller is the fact that the distance between the inside to outside edge of the ring was smaller. The actual area in the middle where the event horizon forms is the same diameter. That also reminds me, did the Tollans ever build their own version of a DHD because I don't recall seeing that ever when they show shots of their new homeworld. The Asgard had that palm jewel device and the Nox seems to be able to dial the gate with their minds.

[Zatnikitelman]

We never saw more than a small part of the Tollana 'Gate and it was at a severe angle. I think Jack was just being Jack's good old funny self. The ring was thinner, but something tells me that the difference in sizes wouldn't be much more than a foot or so either way.
Orlin's 'Gate is another story. From what we know of wormhole physics, it doesn't seem to scale up. Scaling down (super 'Gate -> normal 'Gate) we don't know about, but it seems the even horizon maintains the right sizes.

[Col. Newman]

The event horizon is the threshold of the wormhole. The gate is what demolecularize matter and converts it to energy and then it transmits it into the event horizon.

[YutheGreat]

Mckay discussed this lightly in the Pegasus Project. Mitchell claimed that a special control crystal is needed to compensate the difference in size.

[QuantumDragon]

i thought that control crystal was to enable the long distance connection
(am i wrong?)

[RM_2000_A]

Okay so in SG1 and Atlantis we have seen a number of different sized stargates.

Normal size: MW/PG stargates.
Orlin's mini stargate.
The Supergates.
And lastly the Tollan gate which is slightly smaller than a normal one.

Anyway as far as i know all of these gates can be made to connect to each other, however what happens if you connect a supergate to a normal sized gate and send a large ship through???

Also the same could be said to connecting a normal sized gate to the tollan's and sending a really tall person trough or a puddle jumper.

What would happen? would the object simply not rematerialise? Would it shrink?!?! Would part of it rematerialise but the some not?

SG-1 managed to connect the normal gate to the supergate due to the fact that a gate dialled and applied with more energy than required would "skip" the destination and go to the next gate in line. They exploited this technicality to prevent Ori ships from going through. For Orlin's gate, we do not know yet its size, so we can't say it is smaller. The Tollan gate, it doesn't matter what size its outer circumference. What matters is the inner circumference, where we pass through.

[peragrin]

For Orlin's gate, we do not know yet its size, so we can't say it is smaller.

Yes we Can. It was 8 feet tall and you couldn't walk through it, but had to jump horizontally.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s5/5...x03%5F546.html
vs
http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s10/...20%5F0809.html

i would say there is quite a bit of difference. One gate is barely 6 feet in diameter.

[RM_2000_A]

But it connected to Velona's stargate. Which means they are compatible.