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PG15
April 15th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Writer: Carl Binder
Director: Andy Mikita

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We spent the afternoon spinning Carl’s idea, a story Alan is calling “The Red Shirt Diaries”.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/april-15-2008-ah-finally-the-weekend-is-upon-usuhoh/

Yeah, so that won't be the real title, unless now they're referencing soft-core porn. ;)

You may wonder why I didn't put "Carl Binder" as the writer: well, they usually spin the idea out before giving it to someone to write, and we're not there yet.

Reiko
April 15th, 2008, 08:24 PM
.: Really? Is that the working title at the moment? Admittedly, I'm intrigued.

ShadowMaat
April 15th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Yeah, so that won't be the real title, unless now they're referencing soft-core porn. ;)
With these guys, you never know. :P

However, it's more likely that this'll be the Atlantis version of The Other Guys, featuring some minor Red Shirt-type characters. My guess, anyway.

Mitchell82
April 15th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Writer: ?
Director: ?

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http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/april-15-2008-ah-finally-the-weekend-is-upon-usuhoh/

Yeah, so that won't be the real title, unless now they're referencing soft-core porn. ;)
:lol: I remember something on showtime called the Red Shoes Diaries. I never watched it though...*whistles innocently and walks away.*;)

Fenrir Foxz
April 15th, 2008, 10:01 PM
:lol: I remember something on showtime called the Red Shoes Diaries. I never watched it though...*whistles innocently and walks away.*;)

:lol: Yeah I'm sure you didn't ;) :P

Mitchell82
April 15th, 2008, 10:14 PM
:lol: Yeah I'm sure you didn't ;) :P

Hey I tried.;)

Vespasianus
April 16th, 2008, 02:20 AM
Don't the Atlantis commanders (plus Teyla) wear 'red shirts'? If that's the case, then this will probably be a Woolsey ep IMO.

P-90_177
April 16th, 2008, 02:24 AM
nah 'red shirt' will be a reference to the original star treks tendency to kill off random supporting characters every episode for sure. Which makes me wonder if they're gonna kill some people off.

Ferret
April 16th, 2008, 02:58 AM
nah 'red shirt' will be a reference to the original star treks tendency to kill off random supporting characters every episode for sure. Which makes me wonder if they're gonna kill some people off.

Yep. That's probably it. Personally, I'm surprised that no one else figured that out.

Dr Lee
April 16th, 2008, 04:43 AM
'Dear diary.... today i was eaten by a wraith.'

Dear diary.... Today i was killed by a strange wooden creature. I thought i'd be safe with Sheppards team, seeing as they never get injured.'

pilgrim soul
April 16th, 2008, 04:44 AM
With these guys, you never know. :P

However, it's more likely that this'll be the Atlantis version of The Other Guys, featuring some minor Red Shirt-type characters. My guess, anyway.

:indeed:

That does seem like the most likely scenario. A look at life on Atlantis and the regular characters through the eyes of the ordinary soldiers/scientists on the base - ie redshirts.

beale947
April 16th, 2008, 04:50 AM
Woosley: "Ok, Sheppard, Telya, Ronon and McKay, go and check out this world where they will absolutely not be anything that could remotely hurt you, just like last time (excluding the 20 foot dinosaurs).....oh and take Corporal Stevens with you."

Stevens: "Oh no......"

GoSpikey
April 16th, 2008, 07:39 AM
My mind didn't flash to the Shoes part, you know! :P

'Funny' title...

Hopefully the eps will all be of quality, cos this seems a non-qual one, judging by the title only, unless it changes, of course... :S

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Yep. That's probably it. Personally, I'm surprised that no one else figured that out.

I didn't think it needed to be said, given that "Red Shirt" is a fairly common term in scifi fandom and generally implies a character (or characters) brought along to die.

Mitchell82
April 16th, 2008, 08:59 AM
I didn't think it needed to be said, given that "Red Shirt" is a fairly common term in scifi fandom and generally implies a character (or characters) brought along to die.

I'm surprised that some don't know that. I have no problem with killing off random supporting characters, that's the reason to have them. Better than killing off main cast and you need people to die to make it more realistic.

pilgrim soul
April 16th, 2008, 09:23 AM
My mind didn't flash to the Shoes part, you know! :P

'Funny' title...

Hopefully the eps will all be of quality, cos this seems a non-qual one, judging by the title only, unless it changes, of course... :S

This is just a working title, a "nickname" if you will, rather like how they referred to The Kindred as "Rise of the Googlians" last year.

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Hopefully the eps will all be of quality, cos this seems a non-qual one, judging by the title only, unless it changes, of course... :S

You did read the first post, right?


Yeah, so that won't be the real title, unless now they're referencing soft-core porn. ;)

As PS said, it's just a placeholder title. Something for TPTB to call it until it has an actual title. Makes it easier than having to describe the plot every time you want to talk about it. ;)

However, I do find it interesting that PG15's mind immediately jumped to soft-core porn instead of focusing on the Red Shirt aspect. :P Methinks he's been spending too much time in the JM thread. :P

Dr Lee
April 16th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Actually, depending on what exactly they do in this none, the name isn't that bad.

I was chatting with a friend just the other day about an idea i'd had aobut TPTB writing an Atlantis episode with only the background characters appearing, like Lorne/Beckett/Chuck/Zalenka/ETC and not have a single one of the main characters appear at all.

Personally i think that'll be an interesting episode that'll expand a bit more on the bit part characters that are floating around Atlantis ATM.

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2008, 10:07 AM
I was chatting with a friend just the other day about an idea i'd had aobut TPTB writing an Atlantis episode with only the background characters appearing, like Lorne/Beckett/Chuck/Zelenka/ETC and not have a single one of the main characters appear at all.
That would be interesting, if not very likely. ;) I also think it'd be a good opportunity to give us an "outside" view on the main team, based on the observations and experiences of some of the supporting staff. However, as I recall I had some of the same hopes for the Other Guys and that didn't turn out to be quite what I wanted. Still liked it, but not what I'd been hoping for/expecting. I do, however, pray to the merciful gods of television that they aren't going to use this opportunity to bring in Felger. :S Loved him in OG, loathed him in Avenger. Plus it'd be kinda nice to see support crew who are actually competent and act as if they've actually earned the right to be on the expedition. :P

The "Red Shirt" bit implies to me that it'll be new characters rather than ones we know (Lorne, Zelenka, Chuck, etc). At least I hope so, because I'd hate to think of TPTB classifying any of my favorite characters as Red Shirts. It would not bode well for their futures. ;)

Detox
April 16th, 2008, 11:09 AM
That would be interesting, if not very likely. ;) I also think it'd be a good opportunity to give us an "outside" view on the main team, based on the observations and experiences of some of the supporting staff. However, as I recall I had some of the same hopes for the Other Guys and that didn't turn out to be quite what I wanted. Still liked it, but not what I'd been hoping for/expecting. I do, however, pray to the merciful gods of television that they aren't going to use this opportunity to bring in Felger. :S Loved him in OG, loathed him in Avenger. Plus it'd be kinda nice to see support crew who are actually competent and act as if they've actually earned the right to be on the expedition. :P

The "Red Shirt" bit implies to me that it'll be new characters rather than ones we know (Lorne, Zelenka, Chuck, etc). At least I hope so, because I'd hate to think of TPTB classifying any of my favorite characters as Red Shirts. It would not bode well for their futures. ;)

Hey, that sort of episode could very well happen. I've always thought Atlantis had a much stronger and fleshed out supporting cast than SG-1.

PG15
April 16th, 2008, 12:20 PM
However, I do find it interesting that PG15's mind immediately jumped to soft-core porn instead of focusing on the Red Shirt aspect. :P Methinks he's been spending too much time in the JM thread. :P

Nope, not JM's thread.

Internet.


:D

andrewTellis
April 16th, 2008, 12:47 PM
The placeholder title may not have anything to do with the plot. This same thing happened last year and people were wandering who the heck the googlians were.

PG15
April 16th, 2008, 02:13 PM
They were the hybrids, duh. ;)

GoSpikey
April 16th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Nope, not JM's thread.

Internet.


:D

Internet? Not just telly? :P


They were the hybrids, duh. ;)

So, if we use Google more often, we can be part of Michael's army? :P

PG15
April 16th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Internet? Not just telly? :P

Mostly Internet, then. :D




So, if we use Google more often, we can be part of Michael's army? :P

Yeegads, that means I've already part of it!

Mitchell82
April 16th, 2008, 03:19 PM
This is just a working title, a "nickname" if you will, rather like how they referred to The Kindred as "Rise of the Googlians" last year.
I remember very well. The panic level hit the roof.

GoSpikey
April 16th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Mostly Internet, then. :D

;)

Wait a min, you downloaded them? :S

Our Fox Mulder... :cool:


Yeegads, that means I've already part of it!

:eek: Quickly! It might not be too late yet, set Yahoo as your homepage, not Google!

:P


I remember very well. The panic level hit the roof.

Teehee. *Wishes she had been here at the time.*

Reiko
April 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM
.: Maybe we'll find out which of the 'Whispers' ladies get voted off the island ;)


With these guys, you never know. :P

.: You never do, do you?


Don't the Atlantis commanders (plus Teyla) wear 'red shirts'?

.: Elizabeth always wore the red shirts. Only the one true leader can ;)


Better than killing off main cast and you need people to die to make it more realistic.

.: *cough*CarsonElizabethKate*cough* The gods of death can go ahead and keep Keller, though. She shall be a good sacrifice :P



However, I do find it interesting that PG15's mind immediately jumped to soft-core porn instead of focusing on the Red Shirt aspect. :P Methinks he's been spending too much time in the JM thread. :P

.: "JM" and "mind jumping to soft-core porn" should not be in close proximity to each other :eek:

GoSpikey
April 16th, 2008, 04:41 PM
.: "JM" and "mind jumping to soft-core porn" should not be in close proximity to each other :eek:

Now that you mention it... :mckay:

I don't want to hear about those two in the same sentence, either... :S

Jumper_One
April 16th, 2008, 04:59 PM
.: Maybe we'll find out which of the 'Whispers' ladies get voted off the island ;)

:lol:


.: You never do, do you?

and that's bad?


.: Elizabeth always wore the red shirts. Only the one true leader can ;)

the one true leader? LOL :P besides she was a civilian, Sam and Woolsey can't/won't wear red shirts

Platschu
April 17th, 2008, 10:04 AM
I would like to see rather a "Wraith diary" episode, where they could make flashbacks how the Iratus bugs met with an Ancient crew and how the Wraith was created "accidentally". The lost crew could be the archetypes of the Wraith classes. ;)

GoSpikey
April 18th, 2008, 12:36 PM
I would like to see rather a "Wraith diary" episode, where they could make flashbacks how the Iratus bugs met with an Ancient crew and how the Wraith was created "accidentally". The lost crew could be the archetypes of the Wraith classes. ;)

Oh, sounds nice! Maybe like that we would actually get some info on them! :mckay:

Go pest- er, I mean 'poke', Joe, now! :P

PG15
April 30th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Update:


PG15 also writes: “. “Carl’s latest” - would that be “The Red Shirt Diaries”?”

Answers: 2. Yep.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/april-30-2008-creepy-and-cold/

Which lI asked so I can make sure that this:


At this point, the schedule looks something like this: [...] Carl Binder’s latest (the beat sheet arrived on my desk late this afternoon and I’m going to try to read it tomorrow morning),

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/april-29-2008-on-the-set-of-whispers/

...belonged to this episode. Hopefully more details will emerge soon now that Carl has built up the plot of the episode.

Mitchell82
May 1st, 2008, 11:11 AM
.: Elizabeth always wore the red shirts. Only the one true leader can ;)
The one true leader? Not in my eyes. She was ok but Sam was way better.




.: *cough*CarsonElizabethKate*cough* The gods of death can go ahead and keep Keller, though. She shall be a good sacrifice :P
You've got me on Carson and Weir however Kate was not main cast. In general they don't kill off main cast. That only happens when some kind of conflict arises. As per Keller I hope not I like her.




.: "JM" and "mind jumping to soft-core porn" should not be in close proximity to each other :eek:
Good point though I can't think of a guy here that wouldn't love a naked cat fight between Keller and Teyla.;) Or a female here who wouldn't love to see a naked Shep.;)

Platschu
May 1st, 2008, 12:56 PM
"The Red Shirt Diaries" = "How I became the dinner for a Wraith?" ;)

: advertisement :

Wraith Pedigree. We need healthy humans for our children.

Thanks.

:D

GoSpikey
May 1st, 2008, 02:39 PM
And in combination with that post:

Location: Hungary

:lol:


;)

Platschu
May 1st, 2008, 02:43 PM
"Hunger is distasteful." :wraithanime11:

Platschu
May 1st, 2008, 02:58 PM
Off. A related video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zqi0DwNLJdM
:S

* * *

Red Shirt Diaries. Hmmm. A "real" Red Shirt can't write diary, because he / she is dead. So I think this title is an oxymoron. :)

PG15
May 1st, 2008, 05:25 PM
Looks like we gots us a name-change a-plannin':


Well, I finally did make it back to the production offices in time to [...] give Carl notes on his beat sheet (formerly The Red Shirt Diaries then First Day and now ???).


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/may-1-2008-leaving-the-cold-darkness-for-a-whole-other-kind-of-cold-darkness/

GoSpikey
May 2nd, 2008, 04:38 AM
Good. :D

pilgrim soul
May 2nd, 2008, 05:21 AM
Looks like we gots us a name-change a-plannin':



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/may-1-2008-leaving-the-cold-darkness-for-a-whole-other-kind-of-cold-darkness/

So first "The Redshirt Diaries" then "First Day", what do we reckon? Atlantis seen through the eyes of a new recruit perhaps?

GoSpikey
May 2nd, 2008, 07:57 AM
Not another one...

This 'getting a girl team, one without Cadman on it', is kinda taking screentime away from Lorne... They have a good second team leader, and they almost doesn't use him.

Okay, they kill probably half of the team again, so if it was Lorne's, it doesn't look good on his record... Pfft.

But no, hopefully no new recruits, again.

jenks
May 2nd, 2008, 08:50 AM
So first "The Redshirt Diaries" then "First Day", what do we reckon? Atlantis seen through the eyes of a new recruit perhaps?

That was my first thought. I think they'll probably write it as a tragedy, or maybe it'll lean that way but the twist will be that the red shirt survives.

PG15
May 8th, 2008, 05:17 PM
New title...


On the brighter side, both Alan and Carl have episode titles for their scripts. Outsiders will be Alan’s follow-up to The Queen, while Carl’s script, formerly titled The Red Shirt Diaries before being re-titled to First Day, has become Prodigal.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/may-8-2008-production-update/

Platschu
May 9th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Prodigal is connected to the red shirt's short life as they sacrifice them for greater good? :D

Mitchell82
May 9th, 2008, 11:34 AM
New title...



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/may-8-2008-production-update/

All of a sudden I have a flash back to "Prodigy." Not necessarily a bad thing.

Jumper_One
May 9th, 2008, 02:00 PM
All of a sudden I have a flash back to "Prodigy." Not necessarily a bad thing.

LOL you too? :P

Platschu
May 9th, 2008, 02:13 PM
Prodigy. Hmmm. They never explained how can the same energy race live in Pegasus galaxy (see 1x12 The Defiant One). ;)

GoSpikey
May 9th, 2008, 02:37 PM
*Doesn't remember 'Prodigy' so doesn't know what people are talking about*

:o

Platschu
May 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM
You need a successfully culling to get back your memories. :)
http://gateworld.net/sg1/s4/419.shtml

GoSpikey
May 9th, 2008, 02:57 PM
I read everything, but I don't know for sure if I've ever seen it... :(

Mitchell82
May 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM
I read everything, but I don't know for sure if I've ever seen it... :(

If you have DVD's of SG-1 I suggest you go back and look at it it's a good one.

Mitchell82
May 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM
LOL you too? :P

Yeah. I miss Hailey.

Reiko
May 9th, 2008, 07:44 PM
You've got me on Carson and Weir however Kate was not main cast. In general they don't kill off main cast. That only happens when some kind of conflict arises. As per Keller I hope not I like her.

.: Kate was a familiar face and an integrated part of the extended Atlantis family. And what with Carson and Liz "when conflict arises". What conflict again? :S


Or a female here who wouldn't love to see a naked Shep.;)

.: Actually naked Carson or Lorne but I think it's a matter of personal preference.

Fenrir Foxz
May 9th, 2008, 07:48 PM
.: Actually naked Carson or Lorne but I think it's a matter of personal preference.

And there was me thinking you were more for 'naked McKay' ;) :P

Reiko
May 9th, 2008, 07:54 PM
.: Well, that too, he has an adorable tushie :)

Fenrir Foxz
May 9th, 2008, 07:56 PM
LMAO :p

Infinatus
May 9th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Prodigy. Hmmm. They never explained how can the same energy race live in Pegasus galaxy (see 1x12 The Defiant One). ;)

Unlike the energy bugs in Prodigy the bugs in Defiant One could not pass through solid matter (the Wraith squashed several of them). ;)

They may look similar in appearance but they're probably very different biologically. Also, if you really want to get technical you might ask how humans can exist in at least 3 different galaxies. :)

naamiaiset
May 9th, 2008, 10:23 PM
so it's "prodigal" now? my first thought was "prodigal son" and being a teyla episode. is it me, or does teyla seem to be getting a lot of focus in S5?

PG15
May 9th, 2008, 10:39 PM
I don't think it's a Teyla episode.

naamiaiset
May 9th, 2008, 10:40 PM
I don't think it's a Teyla episode.
me neither, but it's better than an episode with all red shirts. :p

MechaThor
May 10th, 2008, 04:31 AM
I can't wait for this Episode I Loved "the other guys" on SG-1 its one of my fav and best episodes!

Also is really good at creating great support and background characters. I hope we get some Zelenka and Lorne stuff aswell!

mackenziesmomma
May 10th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Personally I hope its a Lorne-centric eppy, as that'd be nice delve a bit more into the 'second team' not some newb.

Mitchell82
May 11th, 2008, 12:27 PM
.: Kate was a familiar face and an integrated part of the extended Atlantis family.
meh she was OK but far from a memorable character IMO.

And what with Carson and Liz "when conflict arises". What conflict again? :S
Not sure about Paul/Carson but with Torri/Liz it was well known that she and tptb were at odds with each other.

Reiko
May 11th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Not sure about Paul/Carson but with Torri/Liz it was well known that she and tptb were at odds with each other.

.: Go Paul and Torri :)

.: *sulks about TPTB*

PG15
May 25th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Ok, so Joe posted these concept drawings for Inquisition and Outsiders a few days ago:

http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/dsc07865.jpg
http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/dsc07924.jpg

And they show the former as being episode 512, and the latter as episode 513. We know which episodes are 515, 516, 519, and 520; and 517 and 518 doesn't exist yet, which makes this episode 514.

Just a little update, I guess. :D

PG15
May 30th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well...this adds a wrinkle to things...


Marc writes: “There is a lot of talk about not leaving our people behind. Does this include the dead?”

Answer: Yes, it definitely includes the dead. In fact, Carl pitched out a story that was to deal with this very issue (The Red Shirt Diaries) but, after much discussion, it was temporarily shelved. Season 6 maybe?

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/may-30-2008-celebrity-plumber-confidential/

pilgrim soul
May 31st, 2008, 01:36 AM
^Damn Joe and his confusing posts. :lol:

I made the same mistake of assuming they were the same episode on the spoiler comm. Doh!

GoSpikey
May 31st, 2008, 04:25 AM
*Reads Joe's Blog*

*Watches PG flip...*

:lol:

Always nice to see. :P

PG15
May 31st, 2008, 05:01 PM
Clarification and more:


PG15 writes: “ 1. Hmmm…so The Red Shirt Diaries was shelved? Then what is Prodigal? Are they different stories then?

2. Is Prodigal the episode you’re talking about with Carl writing it and it being set in the city?

Answers: 1. They are totally different stories. 2. Yes.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/may-31-2008-wealthy-orangutan-implicated-in-banking-scandal/

The second question there refered to this:


Iamjohn writes: “Are there any city specific episodes this season?”

Answer: Yep. Carl is working on one as I file this entry.



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/may-30-2008-celebrity-plumber-confidential/

PG15
June 4th, 2008, 09:26 PM
A mention:


Participate in the Prodigal notes call (the network loved it).

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/june-4-2008-new-studies-suggest-young-people-living-longer-than-old-people/

Mitchell82
June 4th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Clarification and more:



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/may-31-2008-wealthy-orangutan-implicated-in-banking-scandal/

The second question there refered to this:



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/may-30-2008-celebrity-plumber-confidential/
While I was looking forward to Red Shirt diaries I like this idea much better.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 04:11 AM
*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*



#514 "The Prodigal"

Atlantis -- and in turn we, more or less anyway -- get a surprise visitor: Michael.

That's right, the guy's invading the city along with some of his men--hybrids. He's got a force field upon him, too, knocking everyone in the control room -- incl. Woosley and Ronon -- unconscious. [Think like the thing the Wraith had when they went to SGC in "Midway."]

They get a stun shield around the tower, or, as the case may be, a few levels above and beyond the control room. Micheal orders his men to get to work: work includes getting control of the self distruct, which turns out to be harder than expected.

Not so hard is getting his hands on Teyla and her baby, while in the meantime Ronon is busy searching for a gun. At first not very successfully....

Meanwhile, on the outside, Sheppard, and everyone else is working on getting to the control room. Lorne, however, gets knocked out when he has an unforfunate run-in with Micheal's force field while setting charges, making the others aware of its presence.

Later, Teyla escapes from Michael's clutches, goes into hiding, and Sheppard and McKay highjack a puddlejumper. Or they try to, as it doesn't go as planned. They manage to get power to the ship but sadly no weapons means more work for Rodney, less patience for John and valuable time trickling through their fingers for everyone else. In his anger over his men not finding Teyla, Michael punshes a few buttons that have Sheppard and McKay...let's say a little anxious: he activates the self distruct to flush Teyla out.



*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

SGFerrit
June 5th, 2008, 06:29 AM
*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

Woah! Where did that info come from!? Michael invading Atlantis would be very cool if true.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 06:34 AM
The bigger question is...

Why did it capitalize everything in the thingy, while I really only wanted the 'squee' part to be in capitals... :S

Man, this site is... *does a gesture* sometimes.

:o


Edit: That's better... :P

SGFerrit
June 5th, 2008, 06:37 AM
The bigger question is...

Why did it capitalize everything in the thingy, while I really only wanted the 'squee' part to be in capitals... :S

Man, this site is... *does a gesture* sometimes.

:o


Edit: That's better... :P

Yes, I thought that was weird too when I first read it:D

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 06:45 AM
Same here when I reread it. :P

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 08:16 AM
excited for michael, not that he's still after teyla. so much for that angle being wrapped up in S&R... :p

and there went my queen idea. :(

TBA
June 5th, 2008, 09:15 AM
*Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Like I said on the WDC...

Did you notice it doesn't say that Michael has his Hybrids forcefully rip the baby from her arms, then taking a knife and slit her throat?

Nope, he still wants to keep her around...

And saying it's only to carry the baby would be stupid, it's easy to have one of his Hybrids dragging the kid along.

In fact, if he was smart, he'd take the baby immediately, or some of his blood, and leave to finish with his experiments...

But no, he wants it all... Atlantis boom, or in his hands, and Teyla in his hands, too... :P

You know, Mikey, I can do that too, and I'd be less trouble... :o :o :o

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Darn, it sounds like the same old tired Michael/Teyla crap. Every time Michael shows up Teyla ends up tied to a table or held at gunpoint. Teyla needs to be more than the damsel in distress. I want to see Teyla beat Michael with sticks, shoot him with a P-90 -- anything to kill him off and get rid of this tired old evil-mastermind-will-stop-at-nothing-to-kidnap-his obsession plot.

And the baby's still there. I hate babies on TV. Why can't they pack the kid off to the Athosians? But no, he's got to be Michael's magic weapon to rule the universe. Wonderful. :(

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 09:53 AM
#514 "The Prodigal"

Atlantis -- and in turn we, more or less anyway -- get a surprise visitor: Michael.

That's right, the guy's invading the city along with some of his men--hybrids. He's got a force field upon him, too, knocking everyone in the control room -- incl. Woosley and Ronon -- unconscious. [Think like the thing the Wraith had when they went to SGC in "Midway."]

They get a stun shield around the tower, or, as the case may be, a few levels above and beyond the control room. Micheal orders his men to get to work: work includes getting control of the self distruct, which turns out to be harder than expected.

Not so hard is getting his hands on Teyla and her baby, while in the meantime Ronon is busy searching for a gun. At first not very successfully....

Meanwhile, on the outside, Sheppard, and everyone else is working on getting to the control room. Lorne, however, gets knocked out when he has an unforfunate run-in with Micheal's force field while setting charges, making the others aware of its presence.

Later, Teyla escapes from Michael's clutches, goes into hiding, and Sheppard and McKay highjack a puddlejumper. Or they try to, as it doesn't go as planned. They manage to get power to the ship but sadly no weapons means more work for Rodney, less patience for John and valuable time trickling through their fingers for everyone else. In his anger over his men not finding Teyla, Michael punshes a few buttons that have Sheppard and McKay...let's say a little anxious: he activates the self distruct to flush Teyla out.

GoSpikey, where did this come from? Are these real spoilers or someone's speculation?

TBA
June 5th, 2008, 10:04 AM
Real spoilers!

http://chocolate84.livejournal.com/72659.html

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Real spoilers!

http://chocolate84.livejournal.com/72659.html

Wow! OK. Thanks. :)


Sounds good except for Teyla getting taken captive....by Michael.....AGAIN!!! This will make #4! :eek: Just like Ronon will always have a spotlight episode in the #3 or #4 place in the season, Teyla will always get taken captive by Michael somewhere in the second half of the season. :D S2 - Michael, S3 - Vengeance, S4 - Kindred through S&R, S5 - Prodigal, apparently.

I'm still hoping for a final Teyla/Michael showdown. Maybe I'll get it in this episode. :D

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 10:19 AM
see spikey, I'm not the only one tired of teyla being kidnapped... :p

I guess we'll find out what his motives are for her. this means michael's in three episodes? S&R, prodigal and possibly whispers?

g.o.d
June 5th, 2008, 11:12 AM
It’s a quiet night in Atlantis. Ronon and Woolsey are in the control room when a puddle jumper arrives. All of the sudden, the jumper emits a type of force field. Ronon tries to warn everyone to get out, but it’s too late, and all of the people on that level are stunned into unconsciousness.

Then, Michael and six of his hybrids exit the puddle jumper!

Immediately, they get to work. They move all of the unconscious personnel away from their stations so that Michael has access to the computers. His plan is to find Teyla’s child and then leave before everyone reawakens. His hybrids work to gain as much control over the city as possible, but the encryptions are complex. Michael tries to contain his patience with them, using his controlled anger to strike fear into his soldiers.

The force shield doesn’t encompass the entire city, though. Only two levels above and two levels below are included. But it doesn’t matter to Michael, because as soon as someone comes into contact with the field, they are stunned. Michael’s confident that anything that conscious personnel try to do will be kept in check by his technology.

But, once Michael has Teyla’s child, he isn’t satisfied to just leave everyone alive. He plans to detonate the city’s self-destruct.

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=1333

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 11:17 AM
You know, actually....this could be really good. I'm so afraid to get my hopes up, but if this episode ends with Teyla thoroughly kicking Michael's butt and saving the day, I would be thrilled! If, however, she has to be rescued again.... *sigh* My patience is wearing a little thin with that particular plot device. :S

g.o.d
June 5th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Darn, it sounds like the same old tired Michael/Teyla crap. Every time Michael shows up Teyla ends up tied to a table or held at gunpoint. Teyla needs to be more than the damsel in distress. I want to see Teyla beat Michael with sticks, shoot him with a P-90 -- anything to kill him off and get rid of this tired old evil-mastermind-will-stop-at-nothing-to-kidnap-his obsession plot.


that's because she's incompetent and useless. Kill her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

TBA
June 5th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Meh, I think it's more likely Teyla's gonna whoop Michael's ass in this ep. All good things come to an end...

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Meh, I think it's more likely Teyla's gonna whoop Michael's ass in this ep.

YAY! :D I would be so happy. :D :D :D :D :D

g.o.d
June 5th, 2008, 11:30 AM
YAY! :D I would be so happy. :D :D :D :D :D

actually, I would be happy as well. That so-called story arc will finally end

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 11:56 AM
that's because she's incompetent and useless. Kill her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

She wasn't useless until Mallozzi got hold of her.

I was hoping the real Teyla would be back now that the kid's born. But now I'm having doubts. I'm afraid her new story arc will be as baby mom and Michael's victim. Not much change from last season. :(

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 12:06 PM
So, when I say things it's questionable, but when someone else pops up with the same it's not?

:(

Linzi
June 5th, 2008, 12:12 PM
So, when I say things it's questionable, but when someone else pops up with the same it's not?

:(
Well, I don't think so, because I take all spoilers with a pinch of salt!;) Thanks for the spoilers! :)

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 12:13 PM
Not much change from last season. :(
I said the same thing in "the queen" thread regarding teyla. :S her character has gotten very stale to me.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 12:27 PM
She wasn't useless until Mallozzi got hold of her.

Actually, she WAS useless until JM got hold of her.

Or did I dream all of those "Teyla is underused" posts appearing during Season 3?

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Actually, she WAS useless until JM got hold of her.

Or did I dream all of those "Teyla is underused" posts appearing during Season 3?

Teyla's damsel-in-distress phase started in S3. She was underused previously, but she wasn't a victim. :(

Actually, I suppose one could say it started even back in S2 with her first kidnapping by Michael. It didn't seem like it at the time, because we were used to Teyla kicking butt.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 12:35 PM
You can't always be one-way.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 12:52 PM
Funny that people don't complain nearly as much about Ronon...

Surely you don't think he's got more character development? He'll always stay that grumpy Wraith-killer, yet about that you shush...

TBA
June 5th, 2008, 01:01 PM
That's because Ronon is sooo cool... Surely you will understand that, Spikey?
[/sarcasm]

Yep, I agree with Teyla being useless until season 4, not the other way around imo.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Funny that people don't complain nearly as much about Ronon...

Surely you don't think he's got more character development? He'll always stay that grumpy Wraith-killer, yet about that you shush...
ronon's lack of development is complained about plenty. ;)

personally, I would've liked teyla's trading skills and her connections to other people to've been followed up on, kind of like in "trinity". she would've been good in a "spokesperson" role I think. hopefully after this, she'll stop being a hostage for a while.

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 01:05 PM
personally, I would've liked teyla's trading skills and her connections to other people to've been followed up on, kind of like in "trinity". she would've been good in a "spokesperson" role I think. hopefully after this, she'll stop being a hostage for a while.

I completely agree - I enjoyed her part in Trinity. :)

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 01:10 PM
With criticizing Teyla's character so much, and well, you should equally do so for Ronon then, can't claim he's more developed, or gets more lines, you will only create that 'Sheppard/McKay' show for yourself even more... That's not the way, either, imo.

If you got problems with a show, stop watching... ;)


Now back to the ep.

Go get 'em, Mikey! :P

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 01:12 PM
You could say that, after living in a galaxy far, far away for over four years, they've set up their trades, so going all 'ah carp, we should get those yellow beans next' would be extremely lame...

They've showed her trading... Or do you want the first five minutes out of every episode be all 'oh, we're going to this neat little town to score us some fake potatoes', and that twenty times per season? Is that your brilliant solution?

It's in its fifth season. Get over that point already.

g.o.d
June 5th, 2008, 01:13 PM
If you got problems with a show, stop watching... ;)


I love when people begin to say this

Linda06
June 5th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Well i for one am looking forward to this ep.....At least it's about someone other than their golden child whiny McKay which is a good thing IMO :D

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 01:16 PM
With criticizing Teyla's character so much, and well, you should equally do so for Ronon then, can't claim he's more developed, or gets more lines, you will only create that 'Sheppard/McKay' show for yourself even more... That's not the way, either, imo.

If you got problems with a show, stop watching... ;)
I haven't claimed that. ;) nobody likes every single thing in a show, that's what criticism is for. if everyone who dislikes certain things on SGA quit watching, there'd be no SGA... :p


You could say that, after living in a galaxy far, far away for over four years, they've set up their trades, so going all 'ah carp, we should get those yellow beans next' would be extremely lame...

They've showed her trading... Or do you want the first five minutes out of every episode be all 'oh, we're going to this neat little town to score us some fake potatoes', and that twenty times per season? Is that your brilliant solution?

It's in its fifth season. Get over that point already.
it's called an opinion. ;)

hair trigger here, spikey? :o

Jumper_One
June 5th, 2008, 01:21 PM
Well i for one am looking forward to this ep.....At least it's about someone other than their golden child whiny McKay which is a good thing IMO :D

me too! I think it's a really cool idea :D

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Actually, she WAS useless until JM got hold of her.

Or did I dream all of those "Teyla is underused" posts appearing during Season 3?

Underused and Useless are two totally different concepts. Underused IMO means Teyla has a lot of potential if only they would actually put her in the scene and give her lines. Useless means that they've begun to kill off the potential by turning her from a warrior/leader into a helpless victim.


Teyla's damsel-in-distress phase started in S3. She was underused previously, but she wasn't a victim. :(

Actually, I suppose one could say it started even back in S2 with her first kidnapping by Michael. It didn't seem like it at the time, because we were used to Teyla kicking butt.

Exactly.


Funny that people don't complain nearly as much about Ronon...

Surely you don't think he's got more character development? He'll always stay that grumpy Wraith-killer, yet about that you shush...

Ronon is underused. He is never portrayed as passive or a victim.


ronon's lack of development is complained about plenty. ;)

personally, I would've liked teyla's trading skills and her connections to other people to've been followed up on, kind of like in "trinity". she would've been good in a "spokesperson" role I think. hopefully after this, she'll stop being a hostage for a while.

I think this is another example of the writer's inability or disinterest to write much about anything that doesn't involve guns and explosions. Writing negotiations with other worlds is not within their skill set. Too bad. Another facet of Teyla that was pretty much ignored.


You could say that, after living in a galaxy far, far away for over four years, they've set up their trades, so going all 'ah carp, we should get those yellow beans next' would be extremely lame...

They've showed her trading... Or do you want the first five minutes out of every episode be all 'oh, we're going to this neat little town to score us some fake potatoes', and that twenty times per season? Is that your brilliant solution?

It's in its fifth season. Get over that point already.

I think there's more to building relations with other worlds than trading for beans. There's a lot of potential there that's been largely overlooked since season one. Too bad they didn't remain cut off from Earth longer.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Underused and Useless are two totally different concepts. Underused IMO means Teyla has a lot of potential if only they would actually put her in the scene and give her lines. Useless means that they've begun to kill off the potential by turning her from a warrior/leader into a helpless victim.

Oh ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification. :)

Though I do disagree; I think there's still plenty of things to do with her, especially now that she has added motherhood to her list of avenues in which to explore. She can still kick butt after she give birth (in fact, I believe she does), and she can still negotiate.



Ronon is underused. He is never portrayed as passive or a victim.

Of course not; it's Ronon we're talking about here. He's explosive, instinctual, and impulsive. Even if he's captured, he'll usually rely on his strength and fighting abilities to get free; even if it doesn't tend to work. The fact that Teyla can be a "victim" at times IMHO just shows that she tends to think things through before doing anything; the mark of a leader. Case in point, instead of going the obvious route and attempting to escape in "Michael", she used her head and scratched out the gate address where Mikey was going on a rock, and thus Mikey won't be aware that he and Teyla would be followed by Shep and Ronon.

What was she going to do after being restrained in Kindred Part 2, for example? What would be the point in strugging? Would it help her escape faster? Doubt it; but it could've hurt the baby. Instead, she used her head and tried to convince Kanaan and Michael to see that they shouldn't be doing this. It didn't work, but neither would yelling and screaming and struggling, which Ronon probably would've done. Nothing against Ronan, of course, I like that part of his character too.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 01:48 PM
I think there's more to building relations with other worlds than trading for beans. There's a lot of potential there that's been largely overlooked since season one. Too bad they didn't remain cut off from Earth longer.
:indeed:

oh well, can't please everyone. I agree this should be a good episode though.

Platschu
June 5th, 2008, 01:49 PM
I think the character of Teyla is getting better and better in every season. I always thought about her as the "soul" of the team. She has other perspective as a woman, leader and warrior. I really wanted to learn more about her Wraith genes and skills, so I loved SOW and the Queen will be her best episode. It can change her character in such way, that she won't be a secondary background character anymore.

I began to like Ronon too. He could be a more interesting character, if they could write him a bit more interesting. I never liked the "I hit first than ask" type soldiers, so I hope we can see his softer side (hobbies, family secrets, Satedan traditions, Runner past, feelings about Wraith religion etc.). I am happy, because it seems Broken Ties will be fantastic. If they can develop him so as he will have an own goal and opinion against or next to McKay and Sheppard, than he will be a more useful and also colorful character. :o

Back to the "Prodigal" episode. I wanted to see an "Iratus bugs attack Atlantis" episode, so I am happy that an enemy race can enter into Atlantis wth hostile plans. It didn't happen so long. I think it will be great and I like Michael will return. I am also happy to see that they plan bigger things in this season, so his episode will be in the middle of the season. ;)

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM
hair trigger here, spikey? :o

The only nerve that's been hit is the part where there's an anti-thread for anti-things (could have figured that one out, right?) and general complaints can go there, instead of here, where it serves no purpose.

The only way all that complaining is going to have an effect, is if you post it on Joe M's blog. He will then probably tell you why that isn't so, but I don't care.

This thread is about an episode, not about 'they're wasting x character'...

So, back to The Prodigal.

Do you think that Michael has cloned himself to go to Atlantis, or is it his real self? He could send a clone, because as far as we know they can survive a few days without complications, so it's a possibility. Could he know for sure they wouldn't shoot down the Puddle Jumper? I don't think so. His Hybrids don't even have to know if he did it do such a thing.

Discuss that... ;)

Platschu
June 5th, 2008, 01:53 PM
At least his hybrids can't eat the expedition. Maybe they will shot them simple. :wraith32:

bluealien
June 5th, 2008, 01:59 PM
You know, actually....this could be really good. I'm so afraid to get my hopes up, but if this episode ends with Teyla thoroughly kicking Michael's butt and saving the day, I would be thrilled! If, however, she has to be rescued again.... *sigh* My patience is wearing a little thin with that particular plot device. :S

So I guess you prefer the plot device where McKay gets to save the day in almost every episode, and if you read the spoilers... Teyla

escapes from Michael and goes into hiding, I guess she is quite capable of taking care of herself after all.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 02:01 PM
The only nerve that's been hit is the part where there's an anti-thread for anti-things (could have figured that one out, right?) and general complaints can go there, instead of here, where it serves no purpose.

The only way all that complaining is going to have an effect, is if you post it on Joe M's blog. He will then probably tell you why that isn't so, but I don't care.

This thread is about an episode, not about 'they're wasting x character'...
true, but people's complaints are on a character that's in this episode.


Do you think that Michael has cloned himself to go to Atlantis, or is it his real self? He could send a clone, because as far as we know they can survive a few days without complications, so it's a possibility. Could he know for sure they wouldn't shoot down the Puddle Jumper? I don't think so. His Hybrids don't even have to know if he did it do such a thing.

Discuss that... ;)
you'd like that, two michaels existing. :p

I don't think it'll be a clone, especially if this turns out being the last confrontation beween michael and teyla.

Platschu
June 5th, 2008, 02:05 PM
The clone idea is terrible. I didn't like it at Baal. The return of Carson wasn't believable at all. :S

SGFerrit
June 5th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Yep, I'm looking forward to this. The back half is shaping up quite well.

This is how I'd rate the episodes so far in terms of anticipation, of the ones we know a reasonable amount about:

The Lost Tribe
Daedalus Variations
The Queen
Ghost In The Machine
Prodigal
The Shrine
Whispers
Search And Rescue
Inquisition
Outsiders
Broken Ties
Tracker


I'd say it's looking like a good line up this year. I had difficulty making that list. I'm quite looking forward to Broken Ties and Tracker, so that bodes very well:D

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 03:36 PM
Well, they have cloning technology, we've seen that...

And it would be stupid to go into battle yourself, if you can Xerox yourself and have him pretend to be you...

Who said anything about a final confrontation?

Although I must admit it's not smart of Mikey to invade Atlantis like that...

2 Michaels? The thing is, I need space for Penny!Todd as well, so... One Michael only, it is. :o

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Who said anything about a final confrontation?
no one, but what's the next step if it isn't? trying to get teyla/her son just isn't working for him (so far).

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 04:21 PM
Oh ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification. :)

Though I do disagree; I think there's still plenty of things to do with her, especially now that she has added motherhood to her list of avenues in which to explore. She can still kick butt after she give birth (in fact, I believe she does), and she can still negotiate.

I can't even begin to imagine TPTB creating an interesting role for Teyla as a mother. I'm not all that crazy about kids in TV to begin with, and I suspect it will be a nice out for TPTB when they need an excuse to explain Teyla's absence. "Oh Teyla's off with little ---- ". And of course this particular episode seems to focus on the magic baby angle (Please let it only be in Michael's deranged mind. I so don't want to see a super baby!)



Of course not; it's Ronon we're talking about here. He's explosive, instinctual, and impulsive. Even if he's captured, he'll usually rely on his strength and fighting abilities to get free; even if it doesn't tend to work. The fact that Teyla can be a "victim" at times IMHO just shows that she tends to think things through before doing anything; the mark of a leader. Case in point, instead of going the obvious route and attempting to escape in "Michael", she used her head and scratched out the gate address where Mikey was going on a rock, and thus Mikey won't be aware that he and Teyla would be followed by Shep and Ronon.

What was she going to do after being restrained in Kindred Part 2, for example? What would be the point in strugging? Would it help her escape faster? Doubt it; but it could've hurt the baby. Instead, she used her head and tried to convince Kanaan and Michael to see that they shouldn't be doing this. It didn't work, but neither would yelling and screaming and struggling, which Ronon probably would've done. Nothing against Ronan, of course, I like that part of his character too.

I don't understand your use of the term "victim". Being thoughtful and biding your time isn't the same as being a victim. When I use that term in reference to Teyla, I mean it in the sense that she is not in control of events. She is acted against; not the one taking action. Michael ties her to a table and puts an irratus bug on her. Michael ties her up and drags her through the stargate as his hostage. Michael snatches her people and Teyla is helpless to save them. Michael kidnaps Teyla and ties her to a table and injects her with something. Are you starting to see the pattern?
Where did "kick butt" Teyla go? I want her back in season 5. I hope she kills Michael and puts an end to this boring cycle of Teyla as Michael's victim.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 04:27 PM
Wow, to all the people that don't want a baby in Atlantis this story must be like music to their ears?

:lol:

If Michael manages to get away with the kid... (If Teyla runs without it...)

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 04:32 PM
no one, but what's the next step if it isn't? trying to get teyla/her son just isn't working for him (so far).

There's only so far they can drag this particular storyline out. If he escapes again, what happens to Teyla's child? Does she go into hiding with him? Obviously keeping him on Atlantis is not as safe as they'd hoped for. I don't think it's going to take Teyla all that long to figure out that the most straightforward solution for keeping her child safe is eliminating the threat, i.e. Michael.

It would actually be somewhat fitting for Michael to die on Atlantis, since in a sense that is where he was born. I don't know if that's where the writers are going with this, but I think it would bring things full-circle.

Edit: Just saw GoSpikey's post - I didn't think about Michael getting away with the child. They could go that route I suppose. I hope not though.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Kickbutt Teyla was taken away by the show's insurance company. ;)

Seriously; does the fact that she was very heavily pregnant at the time mean anything? Of course she can't start kicking butt. The crew of the shows were already worried when filming Missing; there's no way they would've let her do anything of that sort when she was as big as she was in Kindred.

I think you're the one who didn't want to go into spoilers? If so, I won't say anymore on that.

As for being a victim as you define it...then doesn't that mean that our team is the victim at least once every episode? I mean, having the enemy in control of the situation always happens; that's where the danger comes from; I'm not understanding you here.

The quote I was responding to was "Ronon is underused. He is never portrayed as passive or a victim."; hmmm...I guess I equated passiveness with being a victim. Thing is, Teyla may have been passive (because at the time, aggression would've been useless), but she still did things to try to escape, like scratching the gate address on the rock, and talking to Kanaan and Michael to try to convince them; and who knows what's going to happen in Search and Rescue.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 04:38 PM
There's only so far they can drag this particular storyline out. If he escapes again, what happens to Teyla's child? Does she go into hiding with him? Obviously keeping him on Atlantis is not as safe as they'd hoped for. I don't think it's going to take Teyla all that long to figure out that the most straight forward solution for keeping her child safe is eliminating the threat, i.e. Michael.

It would actually be somewhat fitting for Michael to die on Atlantis, since in a sense that is where he was born. I don't know if that's where the writers are going with this, but I think it would bring things full-circle. And Micheal's survived four seasons now. That's longer than Apophis did on SG-1, and some thought he stuck around far too long.

Edit: Just saw GoSpikey's post - I didn't think about Michael getting away with the child. They could go that route I suppose. I hope not though.
that would be fitting, but I still don't want michael killed in a way (just due to the fact atlantis started all this), even though he'll likely be for obvious reasons.

if michael escapes with the baby, it'll turn into a rescue mission or he perfects his hybrids. the first is more likely in that scenario.

if michael lives to still be a threat, the baby, or teyla and the baby, could be sent to earth. he can't get there, problem solved. they could stay with rodney's sister... :p

if michael dies, that solves the problem also.

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 04:43 PM
if michael escapes with the baby, it'll turn into a rescue mission or he perfects his hybrids. the first is more likely in that scenario.

That would just feel like the end of S4 all over again. I don't think they'll go that route, but they might.


if michael lives to still be a threat, the baby, or teyla and the baby, could be sent to earth. he can't get there, problem solved. they could always stay with rodney's sister... :p

It would solve the problem, but it also effectively takes Teyla out of the show, which I don't think they're going to do either. Or they move all the team back to earth, which is equally unlikely. :D

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 04:43 PM
And it's not like, when she's walking around in Atlantis with her baby, and suddenly Michael is standing right in front of her, she can drop her baby on the floor, grab her bantos sticks, or even one of the 10 knives she has on her person, stand into attack position, and well... Attack... ;)

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 04:44 PM
Kickbutt Teyla was taken away by the show's insurance company. ;)

I think you're the one who didn't want to go into spoilers? If so, I won't say anymore on that.

As for being a victim as you define it...then doesn't that mean that our team is the victim at least once every episode? I mean, having the enemy in control of the situation always happens; that's where the danger comes from; I'm not understanding you here.

The quote I was responding to was "Ronon is underused. He is never portrayed as passive or a victim."; hmmm...I guess I equated passiveness with being a victim.

The team aren't regularly victims, no. They usually end up in peril because of some action they've taken, continue to struggle, fight and remain defiant until they've freed themselves in the end. Sheppard and Ronon often fight their way out, Rodney thinks his way out, but Teyla too often has been thrown into a position where she can do nothing but wait for someone else to rescue her. Teyla is clever and capable of defending herself as well as the rest of her team except, it seems, when Michael's in town. Then she's reduced to the helpless woman tied to the railroad tracks.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 04:45 PM
I guess Mikey's the only one who's smart enough to use restraints then.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 04:46 PM
It would solve the problem, but it also effectively takes Teyla out of the show, which I don't think they're going to do either. Or they move all the team back to earth, which is equally unlikely. :D
send just the baby, teyla could visit. :p

the only sensible option is kill michael then.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I've already right after The Last Man said that it would be better to get the baby to Earth, eg. to Rodney's sister, but did they listen? Nope, they make Michael wanna show up at Atlantis.

(I was under the impression that in the AU he did not get his hands on the location of Atlantis? How did he get it now? Okay, he's more motivated right now, and he seems only to get the 'wanting to blow up Atlantis' part after he actually visits it. He probably couldn't be bothered with it in TLM, since they weren't even attacking him that much, the chickens.)

Rachel did say in an interview that for the first part the kid stayed in Atlantis? Maybe this is it: they will indeed be sending him to Earth when Michael flees Atlantis yet again?

On a different note: The Alterans, Replicators, and now the Hybrids are taking over Atlantis. The Wraith have tried, but haven't succeeded. I hope that's it for a while, cos that's getting the same old same old too. But I'll stop there. I'm happy about the eps we've gotten through that way. :D

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 04:51 PM
send just the baby, teyla could visit. :p

LOL. :) It's a possibility I suppose. I can't see Teyla giving up her child, but she might. There is an earth-based episode sometime after this one isn't there? Maybe that's where they're going with this.


the only sensible option is kill michael then.


I think so, and obviously that's my vote, but I understand that Michael fans don't want to see that happen. :S

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 04:56 PM
I guess Mikey's the only one who's smart enough to use restraints then.

Do you really not get it, or are you baiting me now?

Maybe it's a female thing. I find it particularly repulsive to consistently see the female member of the team bound and held hostage -- and twice now, tied to a table.

Teyla can fight. Teyla can be tough and stubborn. Teyla is clever. Just like her teammates. Why then does she get to be singled out so often as hostage of choice? It wouldn't bother me so much if she were also shown fighting her way free, or talking her captor into releasing her, or inciting other captives to aid in her escape, etc. But no, Teyla waits for rescue like the perfect victim.

naamiaiset
June 5th, 2008, 04:56 PM
LOL. :) It's a possibility I suppose. I can't see Teyla giving up her child, but she might. There is an earth-based episode sometime after this one isn't there? Maybe that's where they're going with this.
she wouldn't really be giving up her son (as I said, she could still see him), she'd be sending him where he's safe.


I think so, and obviously that's my vote, but I understand that Michael fans don't want to see that happen. :S
he's a villain though, that's what happens. :S

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Teyla can fight. Teyla can be tough and stubborn. Teyla is clever. Just like her teammates. Why then does she get to be singled out so often as hostage of choice?

Because Michael is always interested in her, for good reason, especially now. Has she been victim to anyone else?


It wouldn't bother me so much if she were also shown fighting her way free, or talking her captor into releasing her, or inciting other captives to aid in her escape, etc. But no, Teyla waits for rescue like the perfect victim.

Well, circumstances just make those things impossible. Fighting with a full belly is not a smart thing to do (and I doubt the insurance company for the show would let Rachel do that); she tried to talk to Michael and Kanaan.

Now, you're last point is interesting. She was stuck with the Athosians who I guess were capable of helping her, but nothing happened. Well, for me it's understandable enough; escaping basically means fighting, and thus we arrive at the first point again.

I know you probably don't want to hear this, but with her pregnant like that, she WAS pretty much helpless; at least in a hostile situation like the one she was in, where death for her, her baby, and her people were all possibilities. She probably didn't want to risk that. I don't know.

And while she was a victim in that episode, she was quite able to defend herself and act in "Missing". She also got quite a workout in Spoils of War, and she pretty much saved her team. In fact, I'd say she's portrayed as an able warrior and defender a lot more than a victim, and yet the latter is what you choose to focus on. Why? So she's a victim sometimes, while the mass majority of the time she's more than capable to kick both of our butts, what's the big deal?

Anyway, this was a special season; Rachel wouldn't have been able to do much fighting whatever the circumstances are. Now, if she remains stationtionary throughout the next season...well, I'd have a lot less reasons to disagree with you, let's just say that.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Do you really not get it, or are you baiting me now?

Maybe it's a female thing. I find it particularly repulsive to consistently see the female member of the team bound and held hostage -- and twice now, tied to a table.

Teyla can fight. Teyla can be tough and stubborn. Teyla is clever. Just like her teammates. Why then does she get to be singled out so often as hostage of choice? It wouldn't bother me so much if she were also shown fighting her way free, or talking her captor into releasing her, or inciting other captives to aid in her escape, etc. But no, Teyla waits for rescue like the perfect victim.

1. When there's a villain standing right behind you, ready to knock you out, or stun you, there isn't much you can do.

2. When he's tied you up to a table, he's put an Iratus bug on your person, and he runs out of the room, according to you that's the time to go incite the other captives to aid in her escape...

Okay, here goes: "So Mr Iratus bug, care to help me out of these restraints? I promise I'll set you free after this. We can all be friends here, right? Us fellow captives? Please?"

Nope, that doesn't work either.

Guess there's only one more thing to do... Wait till someone who's actually got hands comes in and frees you. Oh, and shoot the other captive away from your throat.

3. Talk her captor into releasing her? What do you think those villains are? Stupid?

"Michael dearest. I know you very much want my child for your research, but I really can't stay here because they'll say I'm a damsel in distress, again." Why don't you just let me to for now, and I'll send you a weekly DNA sample of the child so you can still continue your work without me being in danger. And while I'm at it, would it be possible to take Kanaan home with me, hmm?"

"Wada ya mean, no?" :confused:

4. Fighting her way out? Okay, let's put that on "The Kindred". Ever tried kicking and fighting while being pregnant? She said her priorities were to make sure the baby is safe. Picking up a sword or a gun makes you a target and will get you a bullet or wounds as well, standing still and let the others do it, won't. Simple, ey?

Killdeer
June 5th, 2008, 05:24 PM
I know you probably don't want to hear this, but with her pregnant like that, she WAS pretty much helpless; at least in a hostile situation like the one she was in, where death for her, her baby, and her people were all possibilities. She probably didn't want to risk that. I don't know.

Physically yes, but what about her superduper mind control powers that they created for her in Spoils of War? If ever there had been a time to use them, I would have thought that Teyla would have used them to protect her child.

PG15
June 5th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Good question; I have no clue. Ask JM.

Though I suppose she didn't want what happened back in SoW to happen again.

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 05:27 PM
1. When there's a villain standing right behind you, ready to knock you out, or stun you, there isn't much you can do.

2. When he's tied you up to a table, he's put an Iratus bug on your person, and he runs out of the room, according to you that's the time to go incite the other captives to aid in her escape...

Okay, here goes: "So Mr Iratus bug, care to help me out of these restraints? I promise I'll set you free after this. We can all be friends here, right? Us fellow captives? Please?"

Nope, that doesn't work either.

Guess there's only one more thing to do... Wait till someone who's actually got hands comes in and frees you. Oh, and shoot the other captive away from your throat.

3. Talk her captor into releasing her? What do you think those villains are? Stupid?

4. Fighting her way out? Okay, let's put that on "The Kindred". Ever tried kicking and fighting while being pregnant? She said her priorities were to make sure the baby is safe. Picking up a sword or a gun makes you a target and will get you a bullet or wounds as well, standing still and let the others do it, won't. Simple, ey?

How many times has John been in a situation where there was nothing he could do but wait for rescue? How about Ronon? or even Rodney? Why Teyla?

Fighting, talking, getting help from other prisoners are all things that have worked for various team members in the past. Of course, I don't mean Teyla can literally do each one in every instance.

Cautious Explorer
June 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Physically yes, but what about her superduper mind control powers that they created for her in Spoils of War? If ever there had been a time to use them, I would have thought that Teyla would have used them to protect her child.

Excellent point.

GoSpikey
June 5th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Carp NO.

Have you even LISTENED to Teyla in Spoils of War? Kindly go rewatch the ep if you don't know what I'm talking about. You don't know what you're saying anymore, I think.

And while you're at it, do rewatch "Michael" as well. Wait, you don't need to do that per se, I'll tell ya.

HE CAN TAKE HER OVER WHILE NO OTHER WRAITH EVER HAS MADE CONTACT WITH HER BRAIN BEFORE SHE DID THE SAME TO THEM.

Clear?

Klenotka
June 6th, 2008, 04:23 AM
There is something I don´t like about the new synopsis - Teyla is captured - AGAIN? Geez, this begins to be annoying. Why do they have to kidnap her constantly? And why Michael? He was such a great bad guy and now he is like "I will kindap a baby and rule the Galaxy"

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 08:14 AM
There is something I don´t like about the new synopsis - Teyla is captured - AGAIN? Geez, this begins to be annoying. Why do they have to kidnap her constantly? And why Michael? He was such a great bad guy and now he is like "I will kindap a baby and rule the Galaxy"

yeah, it's boring.

SGFerrit
June 6th, 2008, 08:45 AM
There is something I don´t like about the new synopsis - Teyla is captured - AGAIN? Geez, this begins to be annoying. Why do they have to kidnap her constantly? And why Michael? He was such a great bad guy and now he is like "I will kindap a baby and rule the Galaxy"

1. She is captured because that was Michael's entire reason for coming, he needs her to get the kid. But I guess you didn't read the part where she escapes.

2. The baby is special. Not in a blatant Adria or Harcesis way, but I don't think Michael want's the actual baby, he wants it's DNA. He is a smart Wratih, he can use it to his advantage.

Him getting boring is your opinion. I think he has always been great, and I think this episode sounds great.

stclare
June 6th, 2008, 08:59 AM
1. She is captured because that was Michael's entire reason for coming, he needs her to get the kid. But I guess you didn't read the part where she escapes.

2. The baby is special. Not in a blatant Adria or Harcesis way, but I don't think Michael want's the actual baby, he wants it's DNA. He is a smart Wratih, he can use it to his advantage.

Him getting boring is your opinion. I think he has always been great, and I think this episode sounds great.

The ep sounds good. i just hope they execute it well.

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 09:00 AM
1. She is captured because that was Michael's entire reason for coming, he needs her to get the kid. But I guess you didn't read the part where she escapes.

2. The baby is special. Not in a blatant Adria or Harcesis way, but I don't think Michael want's the actual baby, he wants it's DNA. He is a smart Wratih, he can use it to his advantage.

Him getting boring is your opinion. I think he has always been great, and I think this episode sounds great.

I wonder why exactly he needs her child. Will his hybrids become stronger, will they jump higher, read peoples' minds, or what?

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 09:01 AM
The ep sounds good. i just hope they execute it well.

only if Michael execute Teyla... :D

TBA
June 6th, 2008, 09:34 AM
I think, Michael will truly be able to control his hybrids after having studied the baby.

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 09:39 AM
I think, Michael will truly be able to control his hybrids after having studied the baby.

probably;)

but here's another question:)
why did he even bother to create hybrids in the first place? I'm sure if would have tried to gather humans willing to fight wraith (and give them weapons, supplies, etc.), he would have even bigger and stronger army now. And in the end, humans will worship him like a true hero.

TBA
June 6th, 2008, 09:43 AM
He indeed gathered humans, and converted them into the hybrids ;)

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 09:48 AM
I think, Michael will truly be able to control his hybrids after having studied the baby.
can't michael already control them? as we saw with kanaan? I thought he needed teyla's baby to give his hybrids the ability to sense wraith? it sounded like that when he pointed out that teyla and kanaan both have "the gift".

TBA
June 6th, 2008, 09:51 AM
I think Michael can only control the hybrids that are near him. If he doesn't focus, some of them might get their 'will' back, like Kanan. And with Teyla's baby, he can study 'The Gift' and be able to control them wherever they are, whatever they are doing.

At least, so I thought when watching Kindred & TLM.

prion
June 6th, 2008, 09:52 AM
GoSpikey, where did this come from? Are these real spoilers or someone's speculation?

Half-half. All fans (including GW) get these spoilers by buying sides, which are casting scripts for episodes, and in this case, it's for three different small roles - team leader, hybrid #1, and hybrid leader. As usual, sides consist of anywhere between 1-6 pages of dialogue just scattered about, like say, pages 2-3, 16, 42, 53. All fans extrapolate information and make, for better or worse (in some cases) suppositions off that information. LOTS is missing, and many times these sides are drafts, subject to change.

So, take any spoilers you see with a grain of salt ;)

Regrettably, I did skim these spoilers, and if it's true, us humans are a pretty dumb lot, as geez, did we learn nothing from "Midway"?

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 10:04 AM
I think Michael can only control the hybrids that are near him. If he doesn't focus, some of them might get their 'will' back, like Kanan. And with Teyla's baby, he can study 'The Gift' and be able to control them wherever they are, whatever they are doing.

At least, so I thought when watching Kindred & TLM.
true, that makes more sense.

think if michael still had his bug monsters from 'vengeance' and invaded atlantis, now they could do some damage. ;)

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 10:22 AM
Kanaan was back? When?

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Kanaan was back? When?
kindred I and II.

g.o.d
June 6th, 2008, 10:31 AM
kindred I and II.

damn, I'm an idiot. I didn't read that post properly.

I meant Kannan's will, not when he was back. :)

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 10:33 AM
^ :lol:

in kindred II, teyla asks kanaan to free her and he starts to til michael enters the room.

SGFerrit
June 6th, 2008, 10:45 AM
The ep sounds good. i just hope they execute it well.

As do I.

DONNA BOOTH
June 6th, 2008, 02:24 PM
I assuming from the Episode Spoils of War in Season 4 the Baby has some Abilities like his Mum as when she flew the Hive ship she was able to do it alot easier than she did in season 4 and the way she linked herself to that Queen was awesome so im assuming thats why Micheal needs the kid

creed462
June 6th, 2008, 02:48 PM
with a name like the Prodigal it would be a great episode to bring Ford back

jenks
June 6th, 2008, 03:35 PM
I don't see the connection...

GoSpikey
June 6th, 2008, 03:59 PM
Thankfully, me neither. :S

Don't they have 'bring back Ford' threads around here?

They should just go mutter in there... And stay there. ;)

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Thankfully, me neither. :S

Don't they have 'bring back Ford' threads around here?

They should just go mutter in there... And stay there. ;)
look, spikey, we finally agree. :p I never saw the big deal with ford myself.

think rachel might use her real son in any of the scenes? he'd be about eight months old now? depending how much time has passed between S&R and prodigal, it might work.

GoSpikey
June 6th, 2008, 05:35 PM
First story info for 'The Prodigal'

Thursday - June 5, 2008 | by Darren Sumner

Beware of SPOILERS for "The Prodigal" in the report below.

The upcoming Stargate Atlantis episode "The Prodigal" will bring the return of one of the team's most deadly enemies. Now the first plot info has arrived at GateWorld for the episode, currently slated to air as the fourteenth of Stargate Atlantis Season Five.

The Wraith Michael (Connor Trinneer) has infiltrated the city of Atlantis with a squad of his genetically-engineered hybrids ("The Kindred"). Using a Puddle Jumper, Michael generates an energy wave that pulses outward from the Gate Room, rendering everyone in the control room unconscious.

Clearly planning something big, Michael makes himself at home in Woolsey's office. The control room is now being powered by his ship, and the energy wave has been extended to the levels above and below to protect them from Atlantis personnel. As his hybrids work at the control panels, Michael has a conversation with Teyla, who he has captured. Her young child is a play a great role in his plans for the future ("The Kindred").

In the hallways below, Colonel Sheppard and Major Lorne (Kavan Smith) lead teams attempting to retake the control room. But the stun field knocks Lorne unconscious, and McKay sets about trying to disable it. If they can't find a way past the crafty Wraith hybrid's defenses, Michael will have complete control of Atlantis's systems ... including the self-destruct.

Guest characters include Michael, Major Lorne, and six hybrids.

Written by Carl Binder, "The Prodigal" is expected to shoot following the mid-season hiatus, which will run from mid-June to mid-July.

From: GateWorld (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/06/first_story_info_for_the_prodiga.shtml)

Bwahahaha! @ the bold part! :P

GoSpikey
June 6th, 2008, 05:38 PM
I didn't dislike Ford when I first saw him, or after that, but the last watch...

I actually think that Ford's character could never grow if Sheppard kept on attacking him on his jokes like that, it's not funny to watch a grown man making fun of a younger one's jokes like that, like the older one is king of the jokes...

Ronon looks better as a replacement, so... Let things be the way they are.

And keeping on complaining about Ford and Weir and the unseen Furlings and... won't do you any good either.

Either get over it, or move on to a different Verse. ;)


Yeah, something like that... ^^

naamiaiset
June 6th, 2008, 05:38 PM
woolsey's office? of all places... :lol:

I would seal myself in the gate room for a quick escape if need be.

prion
June 6th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Bwahahaha! @ the bold part! :P

well, it's the obvious office to use, plus it's an existing set ;)

PG15
June 23rd, 2008, 01:12 AM
Updates:


Thornyrose writes: “Were both parts of the mid season two parter filmed before the break, or does filming resume with the second half?”

Answer: We finished shooting episode 14 (Outsiders) and prepping episode 15 (Prodigal) before heading off on hiatus.

From http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/june-18-2008/

The "episode 15" thing that apparently contradicts the "514" in the thread title is explained here: http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=8460946&postcount=127


Sue writes: “What kinda prepping will go on during hiatus for “prodigal” and when do you start filming the eps?”

Answer: Prodigal has already been prepped. However, our costume and construction departments will be working a week or two during the hiatus to make sure the episode is ready to shoot when we return in mid-July.

From http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/june-20-2008-comic-con-update-dinner-at-fuel-and-yet-another-chunky-mailbag/

GoSpikey
June 23rd, 2008, 09:05 AM
I just think that Joe made a mistake, that's all... :P

naamiaiset
June 27th, 2008, 04:55 PM
from JM's blog:

one very big staircase (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/dsc08509.jpg)

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/june-27-2008-adventures-in-haircutting-pineapples-retractions-and-the-return-of-the-mailbag/

GoSpikey
June 27th, 2008, 05:10 PM
I know, I'm looking at it.

Either he updated early, or it's late over here. Yup, past 2... :o

PG15
July 8th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Update:


Mrs.B108 writes: “Beyond motherhood, does Teyla have any strong angsty storylines this year?”

Answer: Mucho angst for Teyla in The Queen and later Prodigal.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/july-8-2008-meals-musings-and-the-mailbag/

naamiaiset
July 8th, 2008, 07:14 PM
teyla angsty over michael taking her child? nah... never. :p

GoSpikey
July 10th, 2008, 12:20 PM
her and her kid... ;)

Why else would he need to have a conversation with her? :P

Platschu
July 10th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Will they begin the shooting in July or will they postpone it because of the SAG strike?

Jumper_One
July 10th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Will they begin the shooting in July or will they postpone it because of the SAG strike?


The AFTRA victory signals that there's not enough support among SAG's 120,000 members to vote for a strike authorization, which would require 75% approval.
http://www.variety.com/VR1117988635.html

Platschu
July 10th, 2008, 01:31 PM
I hope I won't seem selfish, if I say, this is a great news. After they finished Atlantis season 5, than they make such strike as they want...

... until the start of the production of season 6 in February. :o

Jumper_One
July 10th, 2008, 01:36 PM
I hope I won't seem selfish, if I say, this is a great news. After they finished Atlantis season 5, than they make such strike as they want...

... until the start of the production of season 6 in February. :o

;)

The three-year agreement received support well below the usual level in such tallies, following a month of unprecedented battling between the thesp unions.
http://www.variety.com/VR1117988635.html

Platschu
July 10th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Thanks. :zelenka25: But what will happen with season 10 ?! :lol:

GoSpikey
July 10th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Yay! This is hopefully great news! :D :D :D

melfan
July 13th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Indeed

PG15
July 18th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Since they're shooting this episode now, I assume these are relevant here...


Stair-climbing and techno-babbling at the same time tomorrow...practicing by trying to keep Baz out of the dog bowl while I learn the lines!



Breakfast? Eggs, sausage and explosives. We're blowing things up (again) here on the Atlantis set! Yipee!--


http://twitter.com/dhewlett

Also...


So I wandered down to the FX stage where they’re currently shooting “The Prodigal” to see if I could slip in and out without anyone noticing. Just my luck, they’re in a tiny little corridor on the blade set – 30 people in a small corridor, with the dolly rigged up, actors, producers and crew all milling about. My toes suddenly felt very vulnerable. I thought to myself, “this is a sensible rule, this thing about no sandals at work.” And just then, I walked by Andy Mikita. First he gave me a friendly hello, but then his disposition changed and that telltale scowl came across his face as he glanced down at my inappropriate footwear. “No flip flops on set”. I felt like a six year old. I sheepishly told him that I already knew and skulked off to get Carl’s lunch order. Lesson learned. Because Andy Mikita is not a man to be trifled with, trust me. Remind me to tell you someday about the time some moron stole his golf clubs. Not pretty, my friends. Not pretty.



http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/archives/2008/07/

GoSpikey
July 19th, 2008, 09:04 AM
*Hopes for Michael pictures*

:o

Platschu
July 19th, 2008, 09:43 AM
What do you think will they kill him finally, or will the writers keep him for the 100th episode? :D

GoSpikey
July 19th, 2008, 10:00 AM
I have to admit I'm slightly worried about him doing *that*, but he wouldn't hopefully be doing it if he didn't count on the Lanteans stopping his plans at one point, and a quick escape would be necessary.

You never know if they have a more original plan for him in season 6. ;)

Maybe an all out war with the Wraith would be nice to see? Someone in the WDC, I think, made a comment on how it would be nice to see eg. the Wraith at war with each other (let's say Todd's faction vs. some of the rest?) and then Michael being involved in it, also, and the Lanteans having to pick sides, or something?

It just seems so stupid to make The Last Man a totally 'black' episode on how it was all going to work according to his plans, and then in the next season, thanks to some time traveling, everything is totally 'white' again, because they saved the kid, and then woopie, Michael goes down really quickly. It would be nice to see them struggling win in a grey area, maybe? But I don't know if they have the er, 'nerve' for it. :rolleyes:

(And that had better be the correct 'clean' expression for it.) :o

naamiaiset
July 19th, 2008, 03:16 PM
What do you think will they kill him finally, or will the writers keep him for the 100th episode? :D
teyla made it clear in 'the seed' that she has no love for michael. (shippers must've hated that. ;)) I'd say there's a chance of teyla killing him in this (as much as I don't want him killed, since atlantis set all this in motion), unless TPTB have future plans for the character. there's only so many times michael can kidnap/attempt to kidnap teyla and son before it becomes repetitive. he'll have to move beyond this "athosian's son is the key to pegasus domination" phase.

melfan
July 20th, 2008, 03:12 AM
*Hopes for Michael pictures*

:o

Why am I not surpised about that Spikey? :rolleyes: :P

GoSpikey
July 20th, 2008, 06:20 AM
teyla made it clear in 'the seed' that she has no love for michael. (shippers must've hated that. ;)) I'd say there's a chance of teyla killing him in this (as much as I don't want him killed, since atlantis set all this in motion), unless TPTB have future plans for the character. there's only so many times michael can kidnap/attempt to kidnap teyla and son before it becomes repetitive. he'll have to move beyond this "athosian's son is the key to pegasus domination" phase.

I never said that Teyla *loves loves loves* him... It's obvious he's the one obsessed with her.

On the other hand, Joe about stated that JT won't be happening, either. So all those shippers can dream on, also.

And I have to ask myself the question: where were they rubbing Teyla's liking for John in in that specific scene, since it was a hallucination on his part, and a very odd one at that.


Why am I not surpised about that Spikey? :rolleyes: :P

I want one with Michael in Woolsey's chair. Feet up on the desk, and all, looking as if he was born to be in that spot. :D

Or any other one will do, if they don't look like the ones we've already seen. :o

melfan
July 20th, 2008, 06:38 AM
I want one with Michael in Woolsey's chair. Feet up on the desk, and all, looking as if he was born to be in that spot. :D

Or any other one will do, if they don't look like the ones we've already seen. :o

I would love to see that! :lol:

GoSpikey
July 20th, 2008, 06:44 AM
Hehe. :P

PG15
July 20th, 2008, 04:10 PM
A report from the set:


We're back up and running on Season Five...thanks for some solid viewing numbers for episode 1...it's been reported at 1.3, but I'm told it was actually 1.35 which is nothing to sneeze at - which I'm doing a lot of today as we've been blowing things up and those explosives always get right up my nose! Given how many of you had already seen "Search and Rescue" online when I met you in London or Baltimore I'm amazed we even got those numbers...so thanks for watching even if you'd already seen it out here in cyberspace...all fuel for the Season 6 fire! We've also been goofing around with these wicked little remote control racing cars! Joe and I have done some serious damage to the sets as we careened around between setups. Strangely enough, they still won't let us handle the driving in the scenes though?!



http://www.adogsbreakfastmovie.com/content/view/270/35/

:D

Mitchell82
July 20th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I want one with Michael in Woolsey's chair. Feet up on the desk, and all, looking as if he was born to be in that spot. :D

Or any other one will do, if they don't look like the ones we've already seen. :o

I'd love that!

PG15
July 21st, 2008, 05:59 PM
More bits from David Hewlett's twitter (wow, that sounded dirty):

"They're loading the automatic shotguns...but I'm about to be wrapped...I've got to say...sometimes it sucks to be the nerd!"

http://twitter.com/dhewlett

GoSpikey
July 22nd, 2008, 09:03 AM
:eek:

Mitchell82
July 22nd, 2008, 11:58 AM
More bits from David Hewlett's twitter (wow, that sounded dirty):

"They're loading the automatic shotguns...but I'm about to be wrapped...I've got to say...sometimes it sucks to be the nerd!"

http://twitter.com/dhewlett

Rodney and automatic shotguns? *runs and hides behind Jelgate*:cool:;)

jelgate
July 22nd, 2008, 01:54 PM
*hides behind Linzi*

melfan
July 22nd, 2008, 03:03 PM
*Hide behind Spikey*

GoSpikey
July 22nd, 2008, 03:06 PM
Rodney and automatic shotguns? *runs and hides behind Jelgate*:cool:;)


*hides behind Linzi*

I'm still doubting between:

*Hides behind Michael* - Not the spot to be in, most likely.

*Goes to stand before Michael* - Same for that one.

*Stands behind Todd* - Much safer, he isn't in the ep.

PG15
July 22nd, 2008, 10:20 PM
Interesting post from the "Ask BAMBAM" thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=8618795&postcount=4078

naamiaiset
July 22nd, 2008, 10:57 PM
All is great, yes.....and busy on Atlantis...yes.....just you wait for the huge action episode, "Prodigal" that we are just working on right now.....oh....boy.:)
hopefully, some action scenes belong to teyla. that way, people (in general) who said she should've fought more against michael (it's called being heavily pregnant ;)) can quit complaining.

this is rare, I'm defending teyla. :teylaanime08:

GoSpikey
July 23rd, 2008, 04:42 AM
Oh, a fight between Michael and Teyla would be great.

Okay, in "Michael" they sparred some, but she was only pushing him with a 'you can do this' and then he got to her, right? Not knowing he could do it.

But now he's a) back to being a Wraithier character, so he knows how to fight again, and b) she's recently been turned into a kick-butt Wraith Queen, so hopefully her DNA had an unexpected update, so we'll actually get a good fight, not where he immediately pins her to the ground, although that too would be interesting to see... :o

(Surprised? Nope, I don't think so.)

Although the spoilers say that she gets away. Maybe it was before that...? But you don't just fight someone, then take her up to your office, and have a nice conversation with her.

So she runs away, and he goes after her? Awwwwwww! Maybe the message will sink in that she doesn't like him like that? *g* Meaning that in "Search and Rescue" she didn't say that much against him, and was kidnapped later on, so maybe he doesn't think of it as a rejection just yet... Silly boy. So that episode might do that? Hmm...

I wonder if Shep told her they found her dead?

And I just hate not having the details of her death in TLM... I don't believe Michael intentionally did it, if it was him.

PG15
July 24th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Just so we're clear...


Sue writes: “So when does Prodigal start shooting?”

Answer: Prodigal started shooting last week.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/july-24-2008-stargate-atlantis-visual-effects-supervisor-mark-savela-answers-your-questions-and-he-brought-treats/

GoSpikey
July 25th, 2008, 05:39 AM
Doesn't that mean it's kinda done shooting now? :(

Still no Mikey at that desk piccy. :o

jelgate
July 25th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Depends when last week they started shooting. An episode take 7-8 days to shoot.

GoSpikey
July 25th, 2008, 08:09 AM
G'morning, Jelly. *Kissy*

melfan
July 25th, 2008, 02:03 PM
Doesn't that mean it's kinda done shooting now? :(

Still no Mikey at that desk piccy. :o

You so wanna see that, don't you Spikey? ;)

GoSpikey
July 25th, 2008, 04:27 PM
O'course. It would be funny! :P

He's home once more! *g*

melfan
July 26th, 2008, 01:23 AM
O'course. It would be funny! :P

He's home once more! *g*

And he wants a certain someone, and it aint Teyla :rolleyes: Maybe a little bit :P

GoSpikey
July 26th, 2008, 05:21 AM
Well, he most certainly isn't inviting the baby over for a conversation in his newest office, now is he? :P

From the past, he's used to having 1 female around in, and 'tap', Teyla's been chosen.

melfan
July 26th, 2008, 05:30 AM
Well, you know, telepatic mind link and all that :rolleyes: :P
That would be fun to see, Michael and baby speaking via telepatic mindlink :D :lol:

GoSpikey
July 26th, 2008, 09:23 AM
No wonder Kanaan can't put him to bed! :lol:

thekillman
July 26th, 2008, 09:32 AM
then the baby doesnt have to cry anymore. it can just command teyla or kanaan, anywhere, to get him food :D

naamiaiset
July 26th, 2008, 05:53 PM
I wonder if/how kanaan will be in this. he hasn't been mentioned yet in any of the spoilers, has he?

Jumper_One
July 26th, 2008, 05:56 PM
I wonder if/how kanaan will be in this. he hasn't been mentioned yet in any of the spoilers, has he?

nope

naamiaiset
July 26th, 2008, 05:59 PM
it'd be ironic if he fell back under michael's influence, even if he's "cured".

Jumper_One
July 26th, 2008, 06:03 PM
it'd be ironic if he fell back under michael's influence, even if he's "cured".

LOL true but I think he'll be ok

GoSpikey
July 27th, 2008, 05:39 AM
Well, a 'cured' Teyla can be influenced by him... If she's open enough for it.

Dunno if it'll work again.

We still don't know why he can access her, and normally other males can't? But then again, he was sitting right on top of her (:P) so it's not like he didn't know where to 'reach out' for her to try for it... Unlike the Hives in The Gift.

Mitchell82
July 27th, 2008, 09:53 AM
it'd be ironic if he fell back under michael's influence, even if he's "cured".

Yes it would. Not sure I'd like it if they did that.

g.o.d
July 27th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Yes it would. Not sure I'd like it if they did that.

I'm sure you would :p :D

Mitchell82
July 27th, 2008, 11:10 AM
I'm sure you would :p :D

I'd have to wait and see but no I wouldn't be happy with it.

PG15
August 25th, 2008, 10:19 PM
A little something...


JAG writes: “Not much talk has been issued about Teyla in any episode after the Queen. Can we expect to see her in episodes after, or do many Teyla fans have some hearbreak in store for them?”

Answer: Prodigal.


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/august-25-2008-the-church-of-dead-girls-the-mailbag-and-a-walk-through-the-production-office/

naamiaiset
August 25th, 2008, 10:21 PM
I can see spikey's comment now... "you call that news? :mckay:"

PG15
August 25th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Yeah well, I never said it was news. :p

jelgate
August 25th, 2008, 10:29 PM
I say we form a mob and attacke PG15's house.

PG15
August 25th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Riots are all the rage these days, I see. ;)

jelgate
August 25th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Two birds with one stone. We can attack MGM and you at the same time:P

PG15
August 25th, 2008, 11:18 PM
But I live in Canada; wouldn't that be quite the detour on the way to the American-based MGM? ;)

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 02:39 AM
A little something...



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/august-25-2008-the-church-of-dead-girls-the-mailbag-and-a-walk-through-the-production-office/


I can see spikey's comment now... "you call that news? :mckay:"

*Points up*

What she said.


Two birds with one stone. We can attack MGM and you at the same time:P


But I live in Canada; wouldn't that be quite the detour on the way to the American-based MGM? ;)

Let's just turn off the heat in his igloo, then the freezing does the deed for us... :P

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 03:18 AM
Let's just turn off the heat in his igloo, then the freezing does the deed for us... :P

Gives PG a warm jacket, some logs for fire and some matches

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 06:33 AM
Good idea...

*Watches PG's igloo melt*

:P

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 07:00 AM
Good idea...

*Watches PG's igloo melt*

:P

Here I'm trying to help :P :rolleyes:

Gives PG an even thicker coat to keep warm as home just burned down :rolleyes:

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 07:04 AM
:eek: Now he looks like a dressed up sumo wrestler!

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 07:36 AM
Not what I aimed for...

Sumo-PG will rule the Universe world Canada something :p

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Garbage bins on the Stargate Atlantis season 5 sets? :P

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 08:06 AM
There is a thought ;)

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 08:23 AM
:p

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 08:25 AM
And here I was trying to help PG, now I'm doing the opposite, Spikey, you ahve a bad influens on me :P http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/Swede85/Smilies/sheppard16.gif

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 08:29 AM
At least we're putting him near important people...

Maybe then he can truly bring some great news to us, regarding The Prodigal, or The Queen, or Infection, or Vegas, or whatever. :D

melfan
August 26th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Well, there is that ;)

jelgate
August 26th, 2008, 11:33 AM
PG in a garbage bin. Now that is funny:P

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 12:14 PM
:indeed:

Infinatus
August 26th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Let's just turn off the heat in his igloo, then the freezing does the deed for us... :P

Eh, you don't want to turn on the heat in an igloo... ;)

:P

PG15
August 26th, 2008, 03:28 PM
...

Stay away from my igloo!! It took me a whole winter (8 months) to build it!

GoSpikey
August 26th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Damage is already done, sorry.

You're now a sumo wrestler standing guard at the trash on the SGA S5 set... :o

PG15
August 26th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Well then...stay away from the trash!!

jelgate
August 26th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Spikey is the trash:P

PG15
August 26th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Then why am I guarding it? ;)

jelgate
August 26th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Like all homeless people, you are demented:P

PG15
August 26th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Sweet. :D