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April 10th, 2008, 02:31 PM
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As the Colonials and Cylon rebels plan their attack on the Resurrection Hub, President Roslin tries to get the hybrid to explain her dream.

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rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:06 PM
This episode was fantastic. Helo betrayed the Cylons, but he wasn't too particularly happy about it. The thing is though, that was their ship... you don't betray somebody on their ship, Roslin should know that.

Helo seemed really shocked by the sight of the deactivated Eights. Though, if I were him, I'd feel pretty happy about now... an entire army of eights. :P

Lady Snow
June 6th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Helo's never happy about following orders, it seems. Oh, the woes of the only one with a moral conscience...

Good episode. I haven't been a weepy fangirl for a while, and it felt good to get back to my roots.

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Oh my god(s) what an amazing ep.

Show of hands who else cried? :P

counts on fingers:
when the cylon hub was destroyed :o
when Roslin "died"
when Roslin was desperately trying to save Baltar
the end :D

Baltar was frakking hilarious, wow.....and the line to Roslin about being the final five had me laughing like crazy. Definitely a Jane Espensen ep. :D

"About time" indeed. I need to continue to gather my thoughts on this one- I LOVED seeing Elosha back. :)

Arturis
June 6th, 2008, 08:08 PM
D'Anna SOOO punked Roslin. That was frakkin' HILARIOUS!

Chev's Ron
June 6th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Overall good episode. The Cylons/Galactica crew stationed onboard the basestar 's reactions to working with each other were golden.

I thought that the conversation between baltar and the centurion was good, except it seemed almost pointless when the centurion was killed afterwards. The only good it would do if the "centurion" was saved somehow, otherwise it was just a funny filler.

I thought that Roslyn's worrying about baltar was out of character, but with her "shaking" and stuff, it could have been a side effect of her meds.

I had to laugh at D'anna's temporarily fooling roslyn with her being a cylon. It fooled me as well despite the heavy talk against her being one.

(I wonder if Adama will behave exactly the same way when Roslyn really dies as he did in her vision?)

(NEXT WEEK: Adama finding out that tigh is a cylon and punching a mirror, along with lee almost airlocking his superior officer is what I am looking forward to the most next week. The reason I am not excited about them finding earth is because it will obviously be abandoned.)

Though I hope they touch down in Memphis, it will be nice to see what the ruins of my city looks like)

Arative
June 6th, 2008, 08:08 PM
The past 2 episodes have been nothing but a Roslin/Adama shippers paradise. It took the writers two episodes to reveal to us that they love each other.

But I have to say that, when Roslin with Baltar that was good acting and I was surprised that he revealed his part in the cylon attack. But I'm annoyed as hell at the crazy religious Baltar, I liked the Baltar the slept with anything that moved much better.

Its interesting to me that it is the humans that aren't being trustworthy and the cylons are the ones that have kept their part of the bargain. After the entire series of the humans saying how untrustworthy and how evil the cylons are, it is the humans that are actually the untrustworthy ones.

After 2 fairly slow episodes, I hope next week pays off since it is going to be the last episode until 2009 at least.

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:09 PM
This episode was fantastic. Helo betrayed the Cylons, but he wasn't too particularly happy about it. The thing is though, that was their ship... you don't betray somebody on their ship, Roslin should know that.

Helo seemed really shocked by the sight of the deactivated Eights. Though, if I were him, I'd feel pretty happy about now... an entire army of eights. :PI love seeing the prediction that another poster made of the eights remembering being Athena being correct. Hah, that was uncomfortable. :P

CellarDwellar
June 6th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Christ, and I thought I posted fast.


1- I'm upset that Helo actually went through with the Pres.'s order, looks like it could honestly shaft the whole relationship in the side of the head. It's a very tender subject, too, looking at the meeting everyone had, so I'm curious how that'll all end up.

2- No Leoben air time!? Why isn't he a pilot?

3- "About time" is right. I'm glad the Pres got over her trifle little "I don't want to love anyone" crap, but it was dissapointing in the fact that the preview made that relationship suddenly shatter.

4- Why on earth would Kara and Lee comfort each other when the Pres dies like that? =3= Honestleh.

5- I like the new sense of mortality for the cylons; it seems very real, very true, and, quite frankly, like they're hitting rock bottom with the rest of humanity, although the whole race is more similar than they care to admit. I'm curious as to why humans can't understand that everything they use is also a cylon, alive and breathing.

6- I seriously thought Roslin was going to kill Gebus. I was laughing so impecably hard when he told her, that my sides hurt, because she was SHAKING with anger. It was a very well acted moment. I was enthused, enthralled, and happy.

7- BEST part of the whole episode; Diana telling the Pres she was a cylon. I was like, falling off the couch rolling on the floor laughing hysterically because of her face, basically screaming "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?" Well played, well played.





The episodes seem very melo-dramatic and ill now, like they're all leading up to a predictable end, although I have no idea who the final five are (I do not believe Tory, Chief, or Anders are cylons)

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Probably because half the orders that he's given are completely against Adama's preaching about deserving to live/exist. He was also one of the first characters to let go of the entire Cylon/human thing. Though I think this episode did disturb him a little bit.

Am I the only one that finds it strange that despite all the loyalty the Final Five have shown the fleet and the human race in general, they come very close to being airlocked? And why the frak wasn't Anders in the airlock too, or did I miss that?! Oh, wait, he's Kara Thrace's boytoy, never mind.

****, sorry.

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:11 PM
But I have to say that, when Roslin with Baltar that was good acting and I was surprised that he revealed his part in the cylon attack. But I'm annoyed as hell at the crazy religious Baltar, I liked the Baltar the slept with anything that moved much better.And how has that changed? In case you are forgetting he has his own "nymph squad".

kharn the betrayer
June 6th, 2008, 08:13 PM
*hears all the shippers shout out with Joy*


yeah that was pretty much what i got out of the ending

any ways I loved the Baltar, Rosalin scene as well as her ''death'' so to speak it though i was shocked that Baltar even admitied his role in the first place~

I loved how Xenabot also put Rosalin in her place by refusing to say anything about the 5 and her little joke about Rosalin

also watching the Hub blow up was well pretty so to speak

skull24
June 6th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Great show tonight. Man, when I saw what is coming next week. I was like wow! They find another world that maybe Earth and the crew knows about the final five. The s*** is going to hit the wall. They land on the planet and no one is there. I can't wait till next week.

Arative
June 6th, 2008, 08:16 PM
And how has that changed? In case you are forgetting he has his own "nymph squad".

He wasn't a crazy religious person? I guess I liked the narcissistic Baltar more than the religious one?

hoof
June 6th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Good episode. The confession of Baltar was priceless. So was Laura being told she's a cylon. Note that D'anna didn't say she wasn't, either :) And watching Baltar try to convert the Centurion... very nice.

BTW, I wish to reiterate again my annoyance at previews. Ever since early in the series, I have been avoiding the previews/teasers, after having stuff spoiled (like Cally going out the launch tube). Just for kicks, I looked at last weeks teaser after watching The Hub. They completely spoiled the D'anna telling Laura she's a cylon thing. I am so glad I did not see that teaser. It would have totally ruined a very unexpected moment (no one expects such a reveal on this episode, they're obviously going to play that card at a opportune moment).

What goes on in the mind of the SciFi teaser-making crew? Why do they insist on spoiling future episodes like that? I've been adverse to watching SciFi recently for fear of a BSG ad showing up spoiling something. It's not like their fan base is going to be increased significantly at this point regardless of what they put in the teasers/ads, and we fans don't need those kinds of "grab you" teasers to keep watching. All they do is spoil it for us and make people like me avoid their channel for fear of spoilerage. Very strange thinking on their part.

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Good episode. The confession of Baltar was priceless. So was Laura being told she's a cylon. Note that D'anna didn't say she wasn't, either :) And watching Baltar try to convert the Centurion... very nice.

BTW, I wish to reiterate again my annoyance at previews. Ever since early in the series, I have been avoiding the previews/teasers, after having stuff spoiled (like Cally going out the launch tube). Just for kicks, I looked at last weeks teaser after watching The Hub. They completely spoiled the D'anna telling Laura she's a cylon thing. I am so glad I did not see that teaser. It would have totally ruined a very unexpected moment (no one expects such a reveal on this episode, they're obviously going to play that card at a opportune moment).

What goes on in the mind of the SciFi teaser-making crew? Why do they insist on spoiling future episodes like that? I've been adverse to watching SciFi recently for fear of a BSG ad showing up spoiling something. It's not like their fan base is going to be increased significantly at this point regardless of what they put in the teasers/ads, and we fans don't need those kinds of "grab you" teasers to keep watching. All they do is spoil it for us and make people like me avoid their channel for fear of spoilerage. Very strange thinking on their part.I Absolutely agree!!!!! We get very different teasers on SPACE which are pretty much non-spoilery, but I keep forgetting that ours are different, so I just went and clicked on spoiler space for teaser discussion and got spoiled on what looks like to me the entire episode! :(

Anyone else thinking next week will play out season finale big rather than typical mid-season finale big? Hope so. :D

daniel9
June 6th, 2008, 08:23 PM
the end was great lol i dont thiink rosslin is ever going to turn to believing in one God tho. d'anna one can just see that coming with how she is. the hub really looks beautiful. the end is coming for baltar on the next ep when adama and the rest of the fleet find out the truth. i wonder how forgiving theyll be?


starbucks squeaky clean ship radar turns on and im sure we can all guess where it leads, did we see a glimpse of that special place we all call home?

kharn the betrayer
June 6th, 2008, 08:24 PM
I Absolutely agree!!!!! We get very different teasers on SPACE which are pretty much non-spoilery, but I keep forgetting that ours are different, so I just went and clicked on spoiler space for teaser discussion and got spoiled on what looks like to me the entire episode! :(

Anyone else thinking next week will play out season finale big rather than typical mid-season finale big? Hope so. :D

I hope so as well considering next week is supposed to be like the last episode of 2008 if I heard right (oh it better not be I waited a damn year for this season to start)

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:26 PM
I hope so as well considering next week is supposed to be like the last episode of 2009 if I heard right (oh it better not be I waited a damn year for this season to start)

Last week of 2008. Though there's the possibility of it coming sooner.

turtlesstartedit
June 6th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Cellar Dwellar,

Where did you get that last supper pic with Lee's ex-wife in it? Explain anything about it you know please...

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:27 PM
I hope so as well considering next week is supposed to be like the last episode of 2009 if I heard right (oh it better not be I waited a damn year for this season to start)SPACE showed a giant "last episode until 2009" tag to the trailer.....the size of "2009" not my emphasis..... :S

An-Alteran
June 6th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I thought that Roslyn's worrying about baltar was out of character, but with her "shaking" and stuff, it could have been a side effect of her meds.

Actually... I think she was just in emotional chaos in learning that the man she hates most... was also the man who caused the death of billions of people... and is now laying there nonchalanty talking about how he doesn't have any guilt...
Wouldn't you be falling apart with rage also?

Thats what was happening.

kharn the betrayer
June 6th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Last week of 2008. Though there's the possibility of it coming sooner.

whoops how could I have gotten 2008/2009 mixed up *slams head on my desk*

I really hope it comes sooner

Chev's Ron
June 6th, 2008, 08:32 PM
SPACE showed a giant "last episode until 2009" tag to the trailer.....the size of "2009" not my emphasis..... :S

2009... oy.

Atleast that gives me enough time to watch an episode or two of the series collection I have a week in order to whet my appetite. I just hope that this episode and the next aren't the highlights of this season. Despite this ones excellent show, and the potential for an awesome episode next week, I am hoping that the wait will be worth it.

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Actually... I think she was just in emotional chaos in learning that the man she hates most... was also the man who caused the death of billions of people... and is now laying there nonchalanty talking about how he doesn't have any guilt...
Wouldn't you be falling apart with rage also?

Thats what was happening.In a perfect world that was an Emmy-stealing scene right there..... ;)

That scene was so amazing- laid out before her are all her sins, and all of Baltar's and she it literally covered in blood of a human being (that she could either "airlock" or save) for the first time, the distance is gone, and she's facing a choice, and Mary played it remarkably.

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Actually... I think she was just in emotional chaos in learning that the man she hates most... was also the man who caused the death of billions of people... and is now laying there nonchalanty talking about how he doesn't have any guilt...
Wouldn't you be falling apart with rage also?

Thats what was happening.

He did have guilt, but he "let go" of the guilt. And I agree, the emotional chaos of learning that the man that lied before her had committed such a sin was what caused her to shake. There was the man that betrayed humanity. Lying, bleeding, drugged, dying... and he was talking about a religious epiphany. Though he could have phrased that a LOT better than how he did.

Did anyone get any sort of satisfaction when Cavil got pwned?

And where was Leoben, Simon and Doral?

Trek_Girl42
June 6th, 2008, 08:35 PM
2009... oy.

Atleast that gives me enough time to watch an episode or two of the series collection I have a week in order to whet my appetite. I just hope that this episode and the next aren't the highlights of this season. Despite this ones excellent show, and the potential for an awesome episode next week, I am hoping that the wait will be worth it.Hmmm, that is a bright side! Re-watch the entire series! I always like that plan..... :D

siskoeva
June 6th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Last week of 2008. Though there's the possibility of it coming sooner.

Don't you dare. Don't you even dare.

My hope is left dwindling but upon it's last clasp after the yearlong wait last year. You will pay for my shattered humanity if you utter any variation of those words. :(

An-Alteran
June 6th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Its interesting to me that it is the humans that aren't being trustworthy and the cylons are the ones that have kept their part of the bargain. After the entire series of the humans saying how untrustworthy and how evil the cylons are, it is the humans that are actually the untrustworthy ones.
Why don't people have perspective?

The humans were not the ones who nuked several billion people into oblivion now were they?
The Cylons were. The Cylons are not entitled to the Human's trust.

kharn the betrayer
June 6th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Did anyone get any sort of satisfaction when Cavil got pwned?

I know I did when I saw #3 go Xena on his ass

nckzvnbr
June 6th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Cellar Dwellar,

Where did you get that last supper pic with Lee's ex-wife in it? Explain anything about it you know please...

Dualla was inserted in there via photoshop. It isn't an official release.

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Why don't people have perspective?

The humans were not the ones who nuked several billion people into oblivion now were they?
The Cylons were. The Cylons are not entitled to the Human's trust.

Actually, to be fair, it was Roslin who was untrustworthy.

Arturis
June 6th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Here's to hoping that whoever is in charge of SciFi gets "airlocked" before then and they change their minds. Or maybe NBC Universal will pull the plug on the SciFi network altogether, something that is LONG overdue due to their absolutely HORRID lineup of useless, worthless, pointless shows and made for TV movies and frakking WRESTLING for God's sake, and the rest of the world will get it sooner. Perhaps NBCU can air the rest on a network that actually DESERVES the show.

nckzvnbr
June 6th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Why don't people have perspective?

The humans were not the ones who nuked several billion people into oblivion now were they?
The Cylons were. The Cylons are not entitled to the Human's trust.

I agree, it has been shown that both sides are essentially dishonest to the same degree. The Cylons are more "human", in terms of sin, than they think. Remember what the Razor Hybrid said about them believing that they (the Seven) were without sin.

It was pretty awesome when 3 put Cavil down. I think that Boomer has now essentially gone "bad", and the Eight that was let down by Helo and Roslin will join forces with Boomer. Further I think there will be something that pushes Tory out of the Rebel Cylon camp into league with Boomer and the Rogue Eight. In the promo for next week there is a scene where an Eight appears to be herding the human pilots down the corridor and they look frightened. There was also a very short spot where Tory was looking at someone and looked to be in shock or horror. In addition, I wonder if it was Kara's viper that put out the signal the four hear at the Nebula. I wonder if people will now think that Cally's death wasn't a suicide but rather that the four killed her. Maybe that is why Lee is so quick to airlock them.

Arative
June 6th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Why don't people have perspective?

The humans were not the ones who nuked several billion people into oblivion now were they?
The Cylons were. The Cylons are not entitled to the Human's trust.

Yes but these Cylons were helping the humans kill thousands or millions, however many were on the Hub, plus making all Cylons mortal. And an alliance has to be built on trust, these Cylons showed they were trustworthy, the humans didn't. It harkens back to the pilot episode, where Bill was giving that speech, Humans never stopped to ask why they deserve to live.

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Here's to hoping that whoever is in charge of SciFi gets "airlocked" before then and they change their minds. Or maybe NBC Universal will pull the plug on the SciFi network altogether, something that is LONG overdue due to their absolutely HORRID lineup of useless, worthless, pointless shows and made for TV movies and frakking WRESTLING for God's sake, and the rest of the world will get it sooner. Perhaps NBCU can air the rest on a network that actually DESERVES the show.

We are all getting BSG at the same time. That time will most likely be in 2009. If you want to launch a crusade, email Bonnie Hammer at SciFi Channel. Your email my friend will valiantly go up against her spam filter before going into that graveyard known as spam. Let the shield have it with the anger and hatred of the wrestling tv shows, crappy made for tv movies that can barely qualify as made for tv movie, and all the steroid enduced men/and half-women/half-men hybrids going at it in a physical match of... dare I need continue?

I know I sound like a jerk, but I'm trying to convince you not to waste your time.

Arturis
June 6th, 2008, 08:46 PM
We are all getting BSG at the same time. That time will most likely be in 2009. If you want to launch a crusade, email Bonnie Hammer at SciFi Channel. Your email my friend will valiantly go up against her spam filter before going into that graveyard known as spam. Let the shield have it with the anger and hatred of the wrestling tv shows, crappy made for tv movies that can barely qualify as made for tv movie, and all the steroid enduced men/and half-women/half-men hybrids going at it in a physical match of... dare I need continue?

I know I sound like a jerk, but I'm trying to convince you not to waste your time.

Actually, Bonnie Hammer is long gone.

rarocks24
June 6th, 2008, 08:50 PM
Actually, Bonnie Hammer is long gone.

Hmm, under the WoW hole that I've been in, I must have missed the parade here of her stepping down.

Alas' my friend, I accept defeat... but is it really defeat. Then to Howe's spam filter you go. :P

marielabbott
June 6th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Baltar was frakking hilarious, wow.....and the line to Roslin about being the final five had me laughing like crazy. Definitely a Jane Espensen ep. :D

I can't remember the last time I laughed at Baltar, but I laughed a lot this ep. I was expecting something more mystical, I guess, with the Baltar/Roslin/hybrid scenes, but instead it was just darned funny. :D

How crazy was it to see all those Cylons in viper pilot gear?

Absolutely fantastic scene between Roslin and Baltar. I think her shaking could be attributed to a wide range of emotions, and I'm not sure what I would say was foremost at the moment.

I'm surprised Helo carried out his orders. He looked gutted when he saw the 8s.

"About time." :D

Arturis
June 6th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Hmm, under the WoW hole that I've been in, I must have missed the parade here of her stepping down.

Alas' my friend, I accept defeat... but is it really defeat. Then to Howe's spam filter you go. :P

I have no desire to e-mail people who:
1.) Will not get my e-mail
2.) Would not care even if it was recieved

I simply wonder if they realize how ludicrous it is to split a 20 episode season in half over two years. I wonder if they hired some of the people who used to work on The Sopranos? Heh...

CellarDwellar
June 6th, 2008, 09:18 PM
Cellar Dwellar,

Where did you get that last supper pic with Lee's ex-wife in it? Explain anything about it you know please...

I'm a supporter of Dee Adama being the final cylon. Hence it's my signature, end o' story. It's just a fan made hypothesis.

Chev's Ron
June 6th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Actually... I think she was just in emotional chaos in learning that the man she hates most... was also the man who caused the death of billions of people... and is now laying there nonchalanty talking about how he doesn't have any guilt...
Wouldn't you be falling apart with rage also?

Thats what was happening.

True, now that I have watched the episode a second time, I concur. Actually, If i learned someone I just tried to help killed almost everyone I know and love, I would have strangled him. .(goes to choke baltar).

One thing that I missed and have been missing is Head 6. Unless she shows up sometime in the next ep, I will be convinced she was an illusion conjured up by baltar until he was emotionally at peace again.

Still looking forward to the next episode, but I am still regretting that it will be the last ep this year.

TheGreatLordGeorge
June 6th, 2008, 10:18 PM
AM I the only one who noticed the similarities to the bible tonight


1) The Flood, aka noah's ark, aka nuking if the 13 colonies

2) baltars injury.

a) The slash on his side (the spear to confirm Jesus' death)
b) his hands spread out on occasions
c) The prez (St. John)

I dont know, thats just my interpretation. I am not that religous but it caught my eye

metabog
June 7th, 2008, 12:19 AM
This is horrible, I can't wait for next year. :(:S:S Why?

Hey at least we get Atlantis in July, right?

Right?

g.o.d
June 7th, 2008, 12:33 AM
This is horrible, I can't wait for next year. :(:S:S Why?

Hey at least we get Atlantis in July, right?

Right?

don't worry, we'll have Caprica this year;)

AeronPrometheus
June 7th, 2008, 01:56 AM
don't worry, we'll have Caprica this year;)

...um, can't... wait. I guess.

AeronPrometheus
June 7th, 2008, 01:58 AM
The Hub explosion, too pretty to be random CGI... wasn't that one of the things Starbuck saw in her visions? An aurora?

GateofDOOM
June 7th, 2008, 02:13 AM
That scene where the eight started massaging Helo's shoulders before he quickly jumped away...I think that was sufficiently awkward for me. He looked uncomfortable in most of his scenes with her afterwards. :D

I thought for sure Anders would get some screen time in this episode, but I guess he's actually on Galactica? I'm extremely confused! Who is where? What? When?
....how?

I really liked the scenes in between jumps with Roslin on the Galactica. I thought it was a neat new twist on the whole vision thing. Whether its next episode or next year, she's definitely preparing to die.

The Sci Fi promo really showed some of the Cylons being herded into an airlock?! Way to give away the whole episode Sci Fi. *grumps about not being able to resist spoiler tags* The Space channel's promo was much les spoileriffic.

Baltar was briefly funny again! The way the centurion cocked his head at Baltar when he was talking about god. Priceless!

The D'anna joke was also pretty good. I think Roslin almost died right then and there!

Chev's Ron
June 7th, 2008, 02:32 AM
AM I the only one who noticed the similarities to the bible tonight


1) The Flood, aka noah's ark, aka nuking if the 13 colonies

2) baltars injury.

I dont know, thats just my interpretation. I am not that religous but it caught my eye

Those two caught my eye. An interesting touch.

((don't worry, we'll have Caprica this year))

Caprica this year? Perhaps the wait for battlestar 09 won't be as bad.


QuoteThe Sci Fi promo really showed some of the Cylons being herded into an airlock?! Way to give away the whole episode Sci Fi. *grumps about not being able to resist spoiler tags* The Space channel's promo was much les spoileriffic.

I haven't seen any of the Space Channel Promo's I actually would rather see it than Scifi's from what I have heard about it.

(("Did anyone get any sort of satisfaction when Cavil got pwned?")) I sure did. The ******* deserved it. Though everyone in that room had it coming. My favorite part was when little crybaby boomer ran from the room. I guess the concept of death really scared the cylon.

PS, anyone hoping that the crew of Galactica find some Star Wars dvds and watch them..? j/k, but it would give them some insight into the culture of our earth.

turtlesstartedit
June 7th, 2008, 04:57 AM
Funny how that last supper pic has a huge amount of space between Lee and Tigh... just enough space to insert another person, hey Cellar Dwellar? BSG last supper pic only has 12 people in it, but the real last supper pic has 13... must mean something...

g.o.d
June 7th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Funny how that last supper pic has a huge amount of space between Lee and Tigh... just enough space to insert another person, hey Cellar Dwellar? BSG last supper pic only has 12 people in it, but the real last supper pic has 13... must mean something...

good point

P-90_177
June 7th, 2008, 06:43 AM
Damn this ep was an awesome one. there was not a single bad thing about it. (I am however half wanting to see Billy at some point now we've seen Elosha). The fight was awesome, as was the plan itself.

Did anyone else feel that Helo sort of took on Apollos old role for the President in this ep?

Loved 3's prank on Roslin. I suppose when you've just been made mortal you just want to make a joke....though now i'm half wanting her to go "Alright 12?" when she see's adama. :P

Baltar was another joy i think. his chat with that centurion was fantastic. I think one thing that may have made that scene better was if the centurion actually saved Baltars life rather than them just happening to be there.

GateDragon
June 7th, 2008, 07:29 AM
"captin your not married to the whole production line"

favorite line

GateDragon
June 7th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Baltar was another joy i think. his chat with that centurion was fantastic. I think one thing that may have made that scene better was if the centurion actually saved Baltars life rather than them just happening to be there.

i loved that momet sadly i wish the centunion had bigger role this season now that there can think for themselves

panpo98
June 7th, 2008, 07:58 AM
I thought that Baltar was tricked by his lovely assistant he had a relationship with who happened to be a cyclone. The only wrong he did was being to scared to say anything then she reveled what she had done and said that they would blame him not her. The others (Secutity, FBI, CIA, goverment, military, Roslin etc) was just as much to blame for not cheeking out his assistant before the attack.

Baltar is a victim like the rest.
A scared victim until he found religion.

g.o.d
June 7th, 2008, 08:09 AM
I wonder what was worse for that centurion...was it his death or listening Baltar's crap ? :D

Lady Snow
June 7th, 2008, 08:12 AM
I thought that Baltar was tricked by his lovely assistant he had a relationship with who happened to be a cyclone. The only wrong he did was being to scared to say anything then she reveled what she had done and said that they would blame him not her. The others (Secutity, FBI, CIA, goverment, military, Roslin etc) was just as much to blame for not cheeking out his assistant before the attack.

Baltar is a victim like the rest.
A scared victim until he found religion.

Giving out top-secret military codes is treason, no matter which way you slice it - whether or not the person in question is a human looking for the edge in contract bidding or a Cylon. Baltar was most certainly not a victim; his crime was (merely) compounded by the destruction of humanity. He's an opportunistic self-serving SOB, who's had, in Lee's words, "the temerity to survive."

daniel9
June 7th, 2008, 08:56 AM
AM I the only one who noticed the similarities to the bible tonight
1) The Flood, aka noah's ark, aka nuking if the 13 colonies


that would bring up the question who built the galactica. since it was God (not caprica 6, being she thought he was dead, from the downloaded ep) that somehow saved baltar from being "drowned" like the rest of caprica

P-90_177
June 7th, 2008, 09:00 AM
I wonder what was worse for that centurion...was it his death or listening Baltar's crap ? :D

Lol. I just like how as soon as he brought up god the centurion just looked at him like: "Huh?"

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Those two caught my eye. An interesting touch.

((don't worry, we'll have Caprica this year))

Caprica this year? Perhaps the wait for battlestar 09 won't be as bad.


QuoteThe Sci Fi promo really showed some of the Cylons being herded into an airlock?! Way to give away the whole episode Sci Fi. *grumps about not being able to resist spoiler tags* The Space channel's promo was much les spoileriffic.

I haven't seen any of the Space Channel Promo's I actually would rather see it than Scifi's from what I have heard about it.

(("Did anyone get any sort of satisfaction when Cavil got pwned?")) I sure did. The ******* deserved it. Though everyone in that room had it coming. My favorite part was when little crybaby boomer ran from the room. I guess the concept of death really scared the cylon.

PS, anyone hoping that the crew of Galactica find some Star Wars dvds and watch them..? j/k, but it would give them some insight into the culture of our earth.The SPACE channel's promos tend to have an entirely different spin from the SCI-FI one- for the Revelations SPACE promo, I could not tell you what that ep will be about, only that it looks sufficiently awesome. With the SCI-FI promo, I could give you the plot. SPACE and SCI-FI promos barely resemble each other these days (there might be one or two clips that they share). One channel wants to spoil the eps, the other doesn't. As a channel SPACE may have gone to crap lately, but at least they're still doing promos right.
Damn this ep was an awesome one. there was not a single bad thing about it. (I am however half wanting to see Billy at some point now we've seen Elosha). The fight was awesome, as was the plan itself.

Did anyone else feel that Helo sort of took on Apollos old role for the President in this ep?

Loved 3's prank on Roslin. I suppose when you've just been made mortal you just want to make a joke....though now i'm half wanting her to go "Alright 12?" when she see's adama. :P

Baltar was another joy i think. his chat with that centurion was fantastic. I think one thing that may have made that scene better was if the centurion actually saved Baltars life rather than them just happening to be there.I know!!! This ep was near perfect. And the prank was so very three. :D

And I liked that we had some Helo/Roslin time, and I do agree that it was like taking on Lee's former role.
"captin your nto married to the whole production line"

favorite line
:lol: Yup.....Roslin has had some good lines this year. :D
I wonder what was worse for that centurion...was it his death or listening Baltar's crap ? :DHehe. The way the centurion moved and cocked its head was priceless. They've definitely come to "life" this season.
Giving out top-secret military codes is treason, no matter which way you slice it - whether or not the person in question is a human looking for the edge in contract bidding or a Cylon. Baltar was most certainly not a victim; his crime was (merely) compounded by the destruction of humanity. He's an opportunistic self-serving SOB, who's had, in Lee's words, "the temerity to survive.":jack_new_anime07:

daniel9
June 7th, 2008, 09:16 AM
anyone have the space promo on youtube or downloadable yet?

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 09:32 AM
anyone have the space promo on youtube or downloadable yet?Not yet but keep an eye here (http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/). When it's available, it'll be posted (probably as both). Though I'm not 100% sure if entires with downloads are members-only or not. But a youtube vid should be viewable by everyone when it's available.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 10:50 AM
SPACE channel preview for Revelations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJBcJD7HakE)!

MmmmMcKAy
June 7th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Great episode. It skipped right along.

I really felt for the 8 when she realized Roslin's betrayal. She looked so devastated. Grace Park was awesome this eppy.

Loved D'Anna getting Roslin.:) The look on her face, indeed!!

I cried when Roslin said "I love you" to Bill.

Roslin having that "vision" or experience everytime the ship jumped was interesting. Elosha pointed out some truths to Roslin.

I also cried a bit when Roslin was desparately pleading for Baltar not to be dead(though, she didn't do it because she cared).
I guess that Baltar really does feel free enough and loved by God enough to admit anything. Roslin's reaction to his confession re his part in the initial Cylon assault was understandable...Let him die!!!!

The scenes of the vipers approaching the hub and the space fight scenes were cool.

Liked seeing D'Anna kill that creepy Cavil too.;)

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 11:31 AM
Great episode. It skipped right along.

I really felt for the 8 when she realized Roslin's betrayal. She looked so devastated. Grace Park was awesome this eppy.

Loved D'Anna getting Roslin.:) The look on her face, indeed!!

I cried when Roslin said "I love you" to Bill.

Roslin having that "vision" or experience everytime the ship jumped was interesting. Elosha pointed out some truths to Roslin.

I also cried a bit when Roslin was desparately pleading for Baltar not to be dead(though, she didn't do it because she cared).

The scenes of the vipers approaching the hub and the space fight scenes were cool.

Liked seeing D'Anna kill that creepy Cavil too.;)This ep was so full of awesome I forgot about that bit with Cavil. I presume that's the Cavil Boomer was sleeping with..... :S And I'm so glad to see D'Anna back (didn't really realize that I'd missed her until seeing this ep). Wonder what will happen if she and Caprica come face-to-face. Wasn't their last meeting D'Anna telling her that she couldn't come to the algae planet effectively pushing her out of the "threesome"?

This episode had so many amazing moments I have trouble picking a favourite. I mean, I loved the end and I think it wins, but that scene was Baltar was some pretty powerful stuff, add in the Elosha scenes and the fake-out and I can't choose! That's what happens when there's a Laura ep! :P

And I'm really annoyed that this ep missed the Emmy deadline by.....a week. It probably would have been their best chance. :(

MmmmMcKAy
June 7th, 2008, 12:13 PM
I hope that BSG gets some Emmy acknowledgement this year. By God, they deserve it in so many categories. Mary McDonnell is fantastic. I can't believe she hasn't been nominated yet. Too bad about The Hub missing the Emmy deadline.:(
Maybe this year, they'll get some Emmy love(or Golden Globe).

huntress
June 7th, 2008, 12:14 PM
There are no words on how much I loved this episode. It was filled with action and was a complete Laura episode. It was clearly the counterpart to "Sine Qua Non".


In "Sine Qua Non" Bill figured out what his heart really wants and with a little help of people surrounding him, especially Romo Lampkin, he figured out that the thing in his life, that is more important to him then even the fleet is his love for Laura because without her, life makes no sense. In "The Hub" Laura has visions of being on a deserted Galactica and the only person who is with her is the dead priestess Elosha. Neither Laura nor the audience understands why she is there. She enters sickbay and sees herself, lying in bed and clearly dying. The only people with her are Bill, who is sitting by her side, Lee and Kara. In other words: the family. She is impatient with Elosha and doesn't understand why she has to see what lies clearly ahead in her future. Elosha explains to her, that while Laura feels committed to the fleet and her job as president, she will ultimately fail because she doesn't know how to love. Laura is bemused by that notion. Elosha is right though. We have never seen her love. She cared for Billy, she relied on Torry and while she had a sexual relationship with Adar, it was clear that she didn't love him, nor did Adar love her. He was married and the arrangement was convenient for both of them. It seems as if Laura has achieved quite a bit in her career but her personal life was a different matter. She has no one to love.

The most intense scene was the one in which the critically injured Gaius Balthar confessed to Laura that he had almost single-handedly destroyed the twelve colonies because he was the one who had given the Cylons the defence codes. It amazed me, that he actually admitted his best kept and most terrible secret. It just shows how far the man has come. He truly believes in the Cylon God now and has made peace with himself. Laura is naturally blown away by that admission and takes away the bandages that keep Gaius from bleeding out. She is ready to kill him and then she has the epiphany. Bill had his when he talked to Romo about Sine Qua Non and Laura has hers when she sees herself dying and a crying Bill puts his wedding band on her finger. That scene broke my heart. It was so sad and yet beautiful because with this gesture, Bill acknowledges that for him, Laura is his wife. The wedding band also stood for the woman that he loves and we know from past episodes,that his relationship with his first wife had been extremely unhealthy yet he loved her and to remind him of that love, he held on to his ring. Giving that ring away to Laura basically said "You are the love of my life Laura and my wife". Just beautiful. Laura looks on and Elosha tells her that she should find someone to love. We are back in real time and Laura starts crying when she sees a very still Gaius and she panics. Laura is in luck because Gaius is still alive and she saves him. It is telling that a Laura without love was ready to kill and that a Laura who has found love is more compassionate.

D'Anna (who totally rocked BTW - I just looove Lucy Lawless and next to Callum Keith Rennie she plays one of the coolest Cylons) is led to her and D'Anna tells her that he has no intention in giving up that little bit of information that is precious to both sides because it keeps her alive and also tells Laura that the deception was unnecessary because she wouldn't have said anything different with the Cylons around. Laura seems almost relieved. The way D'Anna acted around Laura made at least to me clear that Laura is not one of the final five. Good. I do wonder though who the fifth one is. As long as it isn't Bill I am fine ^_^

I loved Lauras facial expression while she sat next to the Hybrid who jumped them home. She was almost glowing with happiness and I loved how she declared the Galactica as her home and says to Elosha, almost shyly "Maybe there is something there for me" and Elosha just smiles at her and replies "Maybe even closer" and we know of course that she is right. The Galactica has jumped away but Bill is still there in his Raptor waiting for her.

The last scene : OMG how much I loved it. I watched it at least five times on repeat. The love theme from Laura and Bill starts playing and Bill who is still reading the book sees a flash and with it the base ship appearing. He flies to the base ship and who is there to greet him? Laura. The next bid makes me cry happy tears every time I watch it. Laura fighting with tears and Bills rugged features becoming all soft and loving while looking at her. He is so glad to see that she is alive he looks at her as if he needs to memorize her face.

"Missed you"
"Me too"

He takes Laura and his arms and from both of their expressions to tell it feels like coming home.

"I love you" (when I saw that for the first time I just shouted at my screen. I was so ecstatic)
"About time"

Hey Bill that is not fair. So yeah you loved her longer or maybe realized it a tad sooner but as far as I am concerned you both needed a whack to realize how much you truly loved each other. He then kisses her softly on her temple (:whine: want a REAL kiss) and that was the end.

I am totally happy. A two parter that deals mainly with Laura and Bill. It is more then I got from most of my fandoms and certainly more then what I got from Star Trek, SGA and SG-1. THANK YOU JANE ESPENSON

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I hope that BSG gets some Emmy acknowledgement this year. By God, they deserve it in so many categories. Mary McDonnell is fantastic. I can't believe she hasn't been nominated yet. Too bad about The Hub missing the Emmy deadline.:(
Maybe this year, they'll get some Emmy love(or Golden Globe).That Laura/Baltar scene needs to be sent to every Emmy voter with a big SEE WHAT YOU MISSED title.
There are no words on how much I loved this episode. It was filled with action and was a complete Laura episode. It was clearly the counterpart to "Sine Qua Non".


In "Sine Qua Non" Bill figured out what his heart really wants and with a little help of people surrounding him, especially Romo Lampkin, he figured out that the thing in his life, that is more important to him then even the fleet is his love for Laura because without her, life makes no sense. In "The Hub" Laura has visions of being on a deserted Galactica and the only person who is with her is the dead priestess Elosha. Neither Laura nor the audience understands why she is there. She enters sickbay and sees herself, lying in bed and clearly dying. The only people with her are Bill, who is sitting by her side, Lee and Kara. In other words: the family. She is impatient with Elosha and doesn't understand why she has to see what lies clearly ahead in her future. Elosha explains to her, that while Laura feels committed to the fleet and her job as president, she will ultimately fail because she doesn't know how to love. Laura is bemused by that notion. Elosha is right though. We have never seen her love. She cared for Billy, she relied on Torry and while she had a sexual relationship with Adar, it was clear that she didn't love him, nor did Adar love her. He was married and the arrangement was convenient for both of them. It seems as if Laura has achieved quite a bit in her career but her personal life was a different matter. She has no one to love.

The most intense scene was the one in which the critically injured Gaius Balthar confessed to Laura that he had almost single-handedly destroyed the twelve colonies because he was the one who had given the Cylons the defence codes. It amazed me, that he actually admitted his best kept and most terrible secret. It just shows how far the man has come. He truly believes in the Cylon God now and has made peace with himself. Laura is naturally blown away by that admission and takes away the bandages that keep Gaius from bleeding out. She is ready to kill him and then she has the epiphany. Bill had his when he talked to Romo about Sine Qua Non and Laura has hers when she sees herself dying and a crying Bill puts his wedding band on her finger. That scene broke my heart. It was so sad and yet beautiful because with this gesture, Bill acknowledges that for him, Laura is his wife. The wedding band also stood for the woman that he loves and we know from past episodes,that his relationship with his first wife had been extremely unhealthy yet he loved her and to remind him of that love, he held on to his ring. Giving that ring away to Laura basically said "You are the love of my life Laura and my wife". Just beautiful. Laura looks on and Elosha tells her that she should find someone to love. We are back in real time and Laura starts crying when she sees a very still Gaius and she panics. Laura is in luck because Gaius is still alive and she saves him. It is telling that a Laura without love was ready to kill and that a Laura who has found love is more compassionate.

D'Anna (who totally rocked BTW - I just looove Lucy Lawless and next to Callum Keith Rennie she plays one of the coolest Cylons) is led to her and D'Anna tells her that he has no intention in giving up that little bit of information that is precious to both sides because it keeps her alive and also tells Laura that the deception was unnecessary because she wouldn't have said anything different with the Cylons around. Laura seems almost relieved. The way D'Anna acted around Laura made at least to me clear that Laura is not one of the final five. Good. I do wonder though who the fifth one is. As long as it isn't Bill I am fine ^_^

I loved Lauras facial expression while she sat next to the Hybrid who jumped them home. She was almost glowing with happiness and I loved how she declared the Galactica as her home and says to Elosha, almost shyly "Maybe there is something there for me" and Elosha just smiles at her and replies "Maybe even closer" and we know of course that she is right. The Galactica has jumped away but Bill is still there in his Raptor waiting for her.

The last scene : OMG how much I loved it. I watched it at least five times on repeat. The love theme from Laura and Bill starts playing and Bill who is still reading the book sees a flash and with it the base ship appearing. He flies to the base ship and who is there to greet him? Laura. The next bid makes me cry happy tears every time I watch it. Laura fighting with tears and Bills rugged features becoming all soft and loving while looking at her. He is so glad to see that she is alive he looks at her as if he needs to memorize her face.

"Missed you"
"Me too"

He takes Laura and his arms and from both of their expressions to tell it feels like coming home.

"I love you" (when I saw that for the first time I just shouted at my screen. I was so ecstatic)
"About time"

Hey Bill that is not fair. So yeah you loved her longer or maybe realized it a tad sooner but as far as I am concerned you both needed a whack to realize how much you truly loved each other. He then kisses her softly on her temple (:whine: want a REAL kiss) and that was the end.

I am totally happy. A two parter that deals mainly with Laura and Bill. It is more then I got from most of my fandoms and certainly more then what I got from Star Trek, SGA and SG-1. THANK YOU JANE ESPENSONActually, I think there was a kiss that was edited out, re-watching the scene carefully you can see that they were both slightly puckered up and leaning in before he says "About time". Not that I re-watched that scene like.....a dozen times. ;) But also reading around elsewhere I'm not the only one who saw this so I don't think it's fangirl delusion.....or if it is it's gone viral! :P

I think that was a good editing choice though, they didn't need a kiss to show how intimate and loving this scene was, the one on the forehead was lovely, as was the hug. And maybe they'll put it in the deleted scenes on the DVD. I want RDM's commentary.....There was something also about having this scene finally come on a cylon baseship of all places that I absolutely love, the literal beating heart of the ship in the background noise, the stark open space. Very suiting.

Also, I loved the bit where Baltar was deliriously telling Laura that she was pretty. "That worked fast". Again, thank you Jane Espenson! That was frakking hilarious.

nckzvnbr
June 7th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Baltar gets a colostomy bag? The stinky prophet?

AeronPrometheus
June 7th, 2008, 12:40 PM
The show keeps focusing on the books that Adama and Roslin have. Does anybody else think that those books will be left on Earth with the new seeds of humanity as a sort of guide? In one of Roslin's visions we actually get to hear more of what's in the book and it sounds awfully like biblical scripture.

hoof
June 7th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Actually, I now think that Roslyn is the last of the 5. It fits in with RDM's style, and is one of the few choices that has the biggest ramifications if true (it's the only choice that can top Tigh, with the exception of William Adama). But the thing that pushed me over the line is the 3. She not only didn't say she *wasn't* the last, but she achieved something we haven't seen since the first season.

In season 1, Baltar was accused of conspiring with the cylons leading to the genocide. We, of course, knew the accusations were true (in a sense). But the fleet then sees him exonerated (the picture was a fake), and thus believed that he was innocent. Nothing in that sequence said that he wasn't a traitor, all that happened was that the fake evidence was exposed.

Think about it. What's the best way to avert attention from Roslyn than to say she is a cylon mid-season, then retract it? Now the viewers rule her out as a possibility, which sets us up for an even bigger surprise later on if she turns out to actually be the 5th.

In my book, Roslyn is still on the list of candidates, and even more likely now after that little stunt. Heck, maybe she subconciously had an affair with President Adar to help destroy humanity. Now *that* would be a mind-frack for her if she suddenly remembered a detail like that.

Incidentally, even though it isn't clear, but did the original Boomer bite it for real in this episode? (was she in the area when the nukes went off?)

Kezia
June 7th, 2008, 01:17 PM
This episode was amazing!
By far the best of the season.

I don't really have anything more to add to everything's that already been said, except that I haven't felt this way since last season (you know, the emotional high you get after watching a totally awesome ep from start to finish)

Also, I agree that Laura and Bill DID seem like they were gonna kiss back there :)

metabog
June 7th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Wow, Roslin was about to let Baltar die.

Batlar... die... she's completely losing it, and it shows.

And man, D'Anna is so... so charismatic. It's like she suddenly brought back a good 3rd season feeling to everything.

Platschu
June 7th, 2008, 02:00 PM
I missed Anders. I hoped he will meet with D'Anna. :D

rarocks24
June 7th, 2008, 02:06 PM
I missed Anders. I hoped he will meet with D'Anna. :D

I still believe D'Anna is apologizing to Anders for the events during Downloaded.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I still believe D'Anna is apologizing to Anders for the events during Downloaded.Me too. She tried to shoot him with that humongo-sized gun. :P I want to see them meet again..... :D

Platschu
June 7th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I still believe D'Anna is apologizing to Anders for the events during Downloaded.
I think not. She apologized for Tigh, because what she has done on New Caprica with him. :o

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 02:19 PM
I think not. She apologized for Tigh, because what she has done on New Caprica with him. :oNah, I don't think that she personally would have pulled out his eye (my bet is Cavil- or he watched while a Simon did it), on the other hand, she tried to kill Anders herself. That entire episode is fantastic to go and rewatch, seeing those scenes now knowing that he is a cylon. :P

rarocks24
June 7th, 2008, 03:03 PM
I think not. She apologized for Tigh, because what she has done on New Caprica with him. :o

I believe that was Cavil, Simon, or Doral that did that. I don't think D'Anna, Six, Sharon, or Leoben have a sense of sadism. And Three seemed to dislike the sight of blood.

huntress
June 7th, 2008, 03:06 PM
That Laura/Baltar scene needs to be sent to every Emmy voter with a big SEE WHAT YOU MISSED title.Actually, I think there was a kiss that was edited out, re-watching the scene carefully you can see that they were both slightly puckered up and leaning in before he says "About time". Not that I re-watched that scene like.....a dozen times. ;) But also reading around elsewhere I'm not the only one who saw this so I don't think it's fangirl delusion.....or if it is it's gone viral! :P


After my billionth viewing I have to agree. It is not a delusion - they HAVE cut out the real kiss and IMO they shouldn't. I don't need another ship that sticks to forehead kisses. That already drove me nuts for years with Mulder and Scully.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 03:47 PM
After my billionth viewing I have to agree. It is not a delusion - they HAVE cut out the real kiss and IMO they shouldn't. I don't need another ship that sticks to forehead kisses. That already drove me nuts for years with Mulder and Scully.Or perhaps there will be one in the next episode and they didn't want to overdo it. ;)

Lady Snow
June 7th, 2008, 04:08 PM
And here I thought the forehead kiss was much more poignant.

Silly me.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 04:26 PM
And here I thought the forehead kiss was much more poignant.

Silly me.I agree with you! I thought it was beautiful and very cute, and the second hug.

The thing (well, one of the things :D) I like about Battlestar is that you don't get many moments like that, so when they come they seem that much more meaningful, have that much more impact, and are completely earned. It's lovely. :)

kharn the betrayer
June 7th, 2008, 05:02 PM
I agree with you! I thought it was beautiful and very cute, and the second hug.

The thing (well, one of the things :D) I like about Battlestar is that you don't get many moments like that, so when they come they seem that much more meaningful, have that much more impact, and are completely earned. It's lovely. :)


but when something good does seem to happen things go to hell in a hand basket not long afterwards

daniel9
June 7th, 2008, 05:28 PM
so when rosslin was having those visions of adama btwn the jumps. was wha adama saying actually true? about him oweing the cylon scar his life?

Garbo
June 7th, 2008, 05:28 PM
And here I thought the forehead kiss was much more poignant.

Silly me.

I agree. This relationship is so perfectly paced so that when we do get a kiss (if we do) it will be the most epic moment of their relationship (that we see on the show).

I wrote this long shpeal about their relationship elsewhere, but to sum it up it is one of the most beautiful romantic relationships around because of the natural chemistry between Mary McDonnell and Edward James Olmos and the pacing of the relationship is perfect.

Agent_Dark
June 7th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Giving out top-secret military codes is treason, no matter which way you slice it - whether or not the person in question is a human looking for the edge in contract bidding or a Cylon. Baltar was most certainly not a victim; his crime was (merely) compounded by the destruction of humanity. He's an opportunistic self-serving SOB, who's had, in Lee's words, "the temerity to survive."

for treason to be proven, Baltar would need to be found of willingly and intentionally giving the Cylons (ie a foreign government, or an entity opposed to the Colonial government) a means to bring harm to the Colonies. Baltar was unaware that he was assisting the Cylons, which makes treason hard to prove, and I doubt you could also prove that he knew he was intentionally and willingly going to cause harm to the Colonial government. He certainly broke laws by disclosing classified material, but treason isn't one of them. You might be able to get him on espionage, but that too is difficult as he wasn't aware Caprica Six (she was the actual spy, not him) was using him as an agent.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 05:32 PM
but when something good does seem to happen things go to hell in a hand basket not long afterwardsExactly, so dreading next week. :P

And hey, it wouldn't be BSG if it didn't. ;)
so when rosslin was having those visions of adama btwn the jumps. was wha adama saying actually true? about him oweing the cylon scar his life?
He said "island" not "cylon". And I know, I thought he said "cylon" on the first viewing as well, and I was thinking what the frak? That's makes no sense.

The complete passage is transcribed on Battlestar Wiki.

omgpix
June 7th, 2008, 05:42 PM
As long as people are arguing the scene between Adama and the President is insufficient; how about a little softcore? Olmos and McDonnell are very beautiful.

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 05:43 PM
I agree. This relationship is so perfectly paced so that when we do get a kiss (if we do) it will be the most epic moment of their relationship (that we see on the show).The pacing of it is exactly why I like this relationship so much. I can't stand probably 80-90% of ships on tv/movies because they're so obsessed with creating tension and drama, teasing the fans out, creating false-feeling tension between actors that have no chemistry, etc. And that doesn't feel natural. Because this one has been almost incidental (Resurrection Ship Pt. II being the true catalyst), it flows naturally through the series. These were two characters created to counter-point each other in a non-romantic way. There wasn't that intent on the part of the writers at the beginning to bring them together, and I think that's a huge reason for why it works because it progressed out of the story rather than as the story to the point where there is such a solid foundation for it built upon many small scenes and moments not necessarily designed with the purpose, that it works and it feels very real. That's all the result of brilliant collaboration on the part of the writers and actors. :zelenka25:

kharn the betrayer
June 7th, 2008, 05:50 PM
The pacing of it is exactly why I like this relationship so much. I can't stand probably 80-90% of ships on tv/movies because they're so obsessed with creating tension and drama, teasing the fans out, creating false-feeling tension between actors that have no chemistry, etc. And that doesn't feel natural. Because this one has been almost incidental (Resurrection Ship Pt. II being the true catalyst), it flows naturally through the series. These were two characters created to counter-point each other in a non-romantic way. There wasn't that intent on the part of the writers at the beginning to bring them together, and I think that's a huge reason for why it works because it progressed out of the story rather than as the story to the point where there is such a solid foundation for it built upon many small scenes and moments not necessarily designed with the purpose, that it works and it feels very real. That's all the result of brilliant collaboration on the part of the writers and actors. :zelenka25:

now compare that to the shippy quadangle of D00M that plagued Season 3

Im not a shipper by any means but A/R is like the complete opposite of how the SQoD and well works

it also has the distinct lack of random people being paired up with the main ''couple'' just to get in the way of said couples ''true love''

Trek_Girl42
June 7th, 2008, 06:03 PM
now compare that to the shippy quadangle of D00M that plagued Season 3

Im not a shipper by any means but A/R is like the complete opposite of how the SQoD and well works

it also has the distinct lack of random people being paired up with the main ''couple'' just to get in the way of said couples ''true love'':lol: I love your example and I hate that. And it's also exactly why I tend not to bother caring about the romantic relationships on shows. The stupid plot devices are pathetic. There are plenty of obstacles and points of interest in a relationship that can keep the audience going, so why resort to triangle crap? The relationship doesn't have to become uninteresting just because the "chase" is over. Agent Dark's sig above reminds me of how on Scrubs for example, Turk and Carla's relationship. They get together in season one and stay together for the entire series, and they are fantastic to watch! It's the most interesting relationship on that show because it feels pretty darn realistic and speaks to a lot of truth while maintaining the necessary dramatic element, not a bunch of contrivances thrown in the way to keep it "interesting".

Good writers and actors can make two characters on their own interesting and engaging enough to carry through the necessary "drama" without tearing the relationship to shreds.


On another note, anyone else catch Orion through the front window of Adama's raptor when the baseship jumps in at the end? Love those little details. :D

Kezia
June 7th, 2008, 06:34 PM
On another note, anyone else catch Orion through the front window of Adama's raptor when the baseship jumps in at the end? Love those little details. :D

Hey I noticed that too! (It was one of those omgthatsocool moments :D)

TameFarrar
June 7th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Ok....what did I like

1) that Laura and Baltar were hilarious trying to talk to the Hybrid. Both of these people are so far into their own heads that they can't see the need to just *reach out and touch* a person could solve a problem....we won't discuss Baltar's way of reaching out and touching :rolleyes: children could be present :P

2) All of Laura's dying scenes. I liked that she had her eyes opened a bit to how far she has fallen on the *Humanity and Compassion* tree. Tonights episode gave me back the character I could feel something for.

3) LOVED the fact that Lee and Kara would lean on each other in a time of death and that Laura AND apparently whomever was directing her *visions* knew that. SO it wasn't even questioned.

4) I have never been a huge Laura/Bill shipper but they are a great pair to use in this drama of a strong couple that can be a couple yet not always be on the same side of things.

5) Laughed myself silly over the moment Deanna told Laura she was a cylon and then was like ...NOT :D too funny!!! at least Sci-Fi didn't ruin the entire moment...however I would have enjoyed it even more had Sci-Fi not let me know it was coming at all.

6) the battle scenes were incredible :D

7) completely enjoyed the Stockwell Cylon getting his in the end :D

what I didn't like..........:(

1) Laura needs to have her ego taken down about 6 or 7 pegs. She is too full of her own power at this point.

2) That Helo actually obeyed the order to bring Deanna alone. I would have respected the character more had he stood his ground and allowed the one Eight to come along.

3) The speech to the pilots and actually the whole pilot scene was *yawn*...it was stilted and almost comical and IMHO ...waste of scene time.


Overall I can finally add one more episode to my short list of Season 4 episodes I liked.

Hopefully next week will be yet another :)

DeltaWhiskey
June 7th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Vipers with nukes. Nice. Very nice.

Some interesting music in this episode. The queue surrounding the Hub battle scenes requires some additional listening. The new twist on the Roslin and Adama theme was quite nice.

I thought the visual of the camera following the missile salvo between Basestars was stunning. Very nicely done.

I guess the theme of this post would be..."nice." Good ep. I lost my thesaurus.

Also, the Centurion had a little spinny-looking thing in its chest. Why?

Garbo
June 7th, 2008, 07:31 PM
The pacing of it is exactly why I like this relationship so much. I can't stand probably 80-90% of ships on tv/movies because they're so obsessed with creating tension and drama, teasing the fans out, creating false-feeling tension between actors that have no chemistry, etc. And that doesn't feel natural. Because this one has been almost incidental (Resurrection Ship Pt. II being the true catalyst), it flows naturally through the series. These were two characters created to counter-point each other in a non-romantic way. There wasn't that intent on the part of the writers at the beginning to bring them together, and I think that's a huge reason for why it works because it progressed out of the story rather than as the story to the point where there is such a solid foundation for it built upon many small scenes and moments not necessarily designed with the purpose, that it works and it feels very real. That's all the result of brilliant collaboration on the part of the writers and actors. :zelenka25:

Exactly.

This is what I wrote elsewhere concerning the pace and their relationship (I got kind of... uh... off topic at some points, hahaha)

"The literary critic is unleashed!

Even when I stand back and look at it as a critic (and not as an A/R or BSG fan), the love story between them is one of the most stunning love stories portrayed on screen (actually, in fact, even in fiction). I attribute it a lot to the acting and natural chemistry, but also the pace. It's been drawn out and well balanced (timing is hard with romance) and also there is a tragic element to it (even if the story does not end tragically; at this point we do not know and can only guess). The way to write an excellent love story is timing; Adam dropping the garlands as he views Eve after she has eaten of the fruit and the glory of God is fading from her; Juliet looking down from the balcony and viewing Romeo as a ghost-like being whom she loves beyond measure, the audience realizing they are going to die; Gertrude being rescued from the stake at the last minute by her knight in shining armour (Lancelot); Denys washing Karen's hair (the simplest of pleasures) in Out of Africa. There is a certain way to write and express romance and it's not easy to convey romance eloquently and believably, hence why so many romantic comedies or romantic films/books have failed because you can follow a convention, but there is a way to know how to follow the convention and succeed at it.

The story as a work of fiction follows the pattern perfectly: it sets up two characters who oppose each other and who gradually begin to see somewhat eye to eye and to eventually have respect for each other. The audience sees what is going on, that these two in fact have some sort of kinship between each other whether it be romantic or not (as they deny it to themselves), and watch as it blossoms like the most luxurious of wild flowers into something that is breathtaking. It's not and never will be "let's jump into bed"; it's deeper than that. Their intimacy defies sexual intercourse and all sex would do would be to add to the overwhelming love and respect these two individuals have for each other.

In other words: they are two beautiful humans who find their humanity in each other.

Romance/love is very complicated and I'm finding that out as I work on my dissertation (or rather stare into space trying to figure out what I'm trying to figure out). It's not on love per say, but seeking out God and sex/rape as comfort (for John Donne via his Holy Sonnets) and why he does this. (In general) Why is there a need for intense intimacy that sometimes it means something forceful and terrifying? It's very romantic, it's very anti-idealistic, it's very intimidating. What is romance? What is love? What does it mean to say "I love you"? Can it mean nothing? Or can it mean more than what is intended to be said? Also self love to reach humanity (how Laura reaches her own understanding and her own humanity). She's been lying to herself and through her being forced to be honest she finds her own humanity (which is, cheesily enough, love). Uh... :S"

GateDragon
June 7th, 2008, 08:22 PM
forgive my confusen but wasn't sam on the baseship?????

in "Sine Qua Non" skulls mentions that it's sam's vipers that was giving off the distress beacon ...rght???

but i don't remember seeing him in Sine Qua Non or the hub

Kezia
June 7th, 2008, 08:32 PM
forgive my confusen but wasn't sam on the baseship?????

in "Sine Qua Non" skulls mentions that it's sam's vipers that was giving off the distress beacon ...rght???

but i don't remember seeing him in Sine Qua Non or the hub

I think he's now on galactica...

He was on the baseship previously when he was part of the demetrius crew

Bl4de
June 7th, 2008, 08:39 PM
So Elosha shows Roslin images of her on her death bed and Adama reading to her, Kara/Lee, etc. and at the end, Bill puts a wedding band from his finger on her finger... is this all going to happen, or was this just a possible outcome? It didn't appear to be a vision of the future, but who knows? She only saw this when they jumped, perhaps jumping was giving her "visions" a little extra juice to see into the future. If that's the case, do Bill and Roslin get married?

I don't know but it's sad at any rate.

daniel9
June 7th, 2008, 08:56 PM
we'll see in the next ep. of course with rosslin standing on earth with d'anna(who isnt in anymore eps after 11) is not a good sign

Kezia
June 7th, 2008, 09:04 PM
I would have a fit if Roslin OR D'Anna gets killed off
But I'd say there's a strong possibility that one or both of them would bite the dust before the end.

The scene with everyone gathered around her deathbed was a real tearjerker...

Major Tyler
June 7th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Please don't put spoilers in thread titles. It's extremely thoughtless and inconsiderate.

DigiFluid
June 7th, 2008, 09:08 PM
I doubt that Roslin's 'jump visions' were genuine visions of the future. The whole sequence seemed to me to be more of an internal struggle with herself: who she's become vs. who she wants to be. Seeing herself on her deathbed was a means to that end.

That said though, I don't believe Roslin will survive this whole misadventure. I'm a bit undecided whether or not she'll see Earth, but I'm convinced she'll be dead before the series is over.

wurlitzer153
June 7th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Also, the Centurion had a little spinny-looking thing in its chest. Why?


It was a gyroscope (presumably for balance)

Darth_Bicyclist
June 8th, 2008, 01:56 AM
Yup.....Roslin has had some good lines this year.

Actually, Jane Espenson has written some great lines this year, for many characters. Personally, my favorite line from this episode was, "If you're my subconscious, I've got to say you're a little full of myself."

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Also, forgive me, but I have to mention this: at the end of the Ghost of Christmas Future sequence, I kept thinking of that sappy Eagles song Desperado: "You better let somebody love you, before it's too late."

Okay, my own geeky moment, whatever. But note that on the Wikipedia page for the song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_%28song%29), it says:



Don Henley stated in the notes written in the booklet to Eagles' 2003 "The Very Best Of" compilation, that Desperado was a piece of a song that he had written in 1968. He said,

It was called something else, but it was the same melody, same chords. I think it had something to do with Astrology [Chuckles].


Hmm, Astrology, as in the twelve Zodiac signs? In a song written one year after All Along the Watchtower? Maybe Don Henley and Bob Dylan and hanging out together in some kind of Cylon afterlife? Nah, that's got to be too much of a stretch. Although if you're reading this, Bear (http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/), maybe you could give Don a ring? :)

Anyway, here's my little "Wierd Al" take on this episode:


Laura Roslin, why don't you come to your senses?
You been usin' the airlock for so long now
Oh, you're a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These Final Five in the fleet
Can hurt you somehow

Don't you trust the Three of Cylons, no
She'll fool you if she's able
Starbuck's destiny is always your best bet
Now it seemed to you that Hera's blood
Had saved you on the table
But Baltar's blood's the one you just can't let

Laura Roslin, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger
Your relatives on the shore, they're callin' you home
And Earth, oh the thirteenth, that's just some people talkin'
Your prison is swimming through the stream all alone

Don't your head get cold at Diloxin time?
Chamalla snakes in your visions shine
It's hard to tell the real life from the dream
The hybrid jumps and Elosha shows
Ain't it funny how there's somethin' in between?

Laura Roslin, why don't you come to your senses?
Come down from your basestar, open the gate
You may be dyin', but there's an angel to guide you
You better let somebody love you, before it's too late

Actionhank
June 8th, 2008, 03:14 AM
Hmmm, I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about this ep as most other people.


First of all - why is the resurrection hub so utterly defenseless? Why would Roslin betray the cylons on their own ship? How stupid can one be?!?

Secondly - whats with all the vision-stuff? It's becoming all little too much fantasy imo.

So it all boils down to "love someone and you'll be human"?


Ok, being mortal is human so I guess cylons are human now.

peragrin
June 8th, 2008, 04:00 AM
Hmmm, I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about this ep as most other people.


First of all - why is the resurrection hub so utterly defenseless? Why would Roslin betray the cylons on their own ship? How stupid can one be?!?

Secondly - whats with all the vision-stuff? It's becoming all little too much fantasy imo.

So it all boils down to "love someone and you'll be human"?


Ok, being mortal is human so I guess cylons are human now.Defenseless? it had 3 basestars that I could see. of which at least 2 were destroyed when it blew up, and one more was destroyed by a direct assault by the 6's and 8's

if you have been watching from the beginning visions have played a part of every major plot with the exception of meeting the Pegasus.

I loved that episode, especially d'anna fooling Roslin. I was so expecting to have Anders in the room when she said it that, when it was just her and Roslin I was shocked.

This episode has left me with a thought. The final 5 know the way to earth? is it possible they left a Mark 2 viper on a ship in the nebula where Kara was found with the data in it to go back to earth? The next episode looks like it was the 4 going over that viper one bolt at a time to find something hidden.

GateDragon
June 8th, 2008, 04:25 AM
I doubt that Roslin's 'jump visions' were genuine visions of the future. The whole sequence seemed to me to be more of an internal struggle with herself: who she's become vs. who she wants to be. Seeing herself on her deathbed was a means to that end.

That said though, I don't believe Roslin will survive this whole misadventure. I'm a bit undecided whether or not she'll see Earth, but I'm convinced she'll be dead before the series is over.

pretty much BSG version of "grace" from sg1

Dusk
June 8th, 2008, 04:26 AM
Ah excellent, at last we return to some solid character moments. For Helo, Roslin, and Eight. The Battle of the Resurrection Hub was quite satisfactory, once again with brilliant visual effects by Zoic. Roslin's entire plot thread here was fascinating to me. The scene with Baltar was priceless. Seeing Elosha again brought warm feelings to my heart. Seein D'Anna again brought warm feelings all over. So happy she is back, and a bit drunk and disorderly too, loved it. It saddens me to think Roslin is dying, it really does. But hey, seeing the beautiful chemistry between her and Adama, with a touch of McCreary's haunting theme music, sent shivers down my spine.

I am muchly happy with this episode, but so sad to know there is but one remaining installment before one hell of a long wait.

Actionhank
June 8th, 2008, 04:52 AM
Defenseless? it had 3 basestars that I could see. of which at least 2 were destroyed when it blew up, and one more was destroyed by a direct assault by the 6's and 8's

3 Baseships is hardly enough when so much is at stake - imo. And the hub itself seemed not very armored / stable itself.

But I get it that they (the writers) searched for a way to let the Cylon lose their precious downloadability. ;) For me the whole concept of downloading is/was flawed.

Dusk
June 8th, 2008, 06:13 AM
The question is: what's stopping the Cylons from rebuilding a resurrection hub? On a similar note, isn't there a resurrection centre back on the Cylon homeworld? I mean, I know it's probably a long way away, but surely much faster now they can retrace back again. And as for the Resurrection Hub being the only facility where D'Anna was boxed, that's just silly. Surely there are some back at the Cylon homeworld.

Alas, I don't think we'll be visiting this world anytime soon.

Oooh, also, did anyone notice the promotional pictures for this episode? One of the shots depicts an event that was obviously cut from the final episode. Go hunt them down to see.

SoulReaver
June 8th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Defenseless? it had 3 basestars that I could see. of which at least 2 were destroyed when it blew up, and one more was destroyed by a direct assault by the 6's and 8'syes - 3 basestars. given the nature of what they were supposed to be protecting I'd have expected that number to be increased by at least a tenfold - and the allies to be pulverized a few minutes after they'd jumped in
and as AH said the hub turned out to be surprisingly fragile compared to battlestars or basestars, when you'd expect quite the opposite given what's at stake


but it was a good ep nonetheless

btw. I didn't know that morphine was a truth serum ! ^_^

Baltar taling to the centurion was funny but seemed out of place. one of 2 possibilities :
1) the centurion had its "behavioural inhibitor" still in place, in which case Baltar trying to reason with it would've been futile
2) the centurion was uninhibited, in which case Baltar was still wasting his breath, since the centurion could reason & figure such things out by itself. that was the whole point in the episode 6 of 1


Danna's back ! :cool: btw I didn't believe her little joke on the president for a second ^^



edit> and Elosha's "return" was most welcome (even though merely a vision :()

nckzvnbr
June 8th, 2008, 09:17 AM
[F]orgive my [confusion,] but wasn't [S]am on the baseship?

[I]n "Sine Qua Non"[,] [S]kulls mentions that it's [S]am's viper that was giving off the distress beacon[,] r[i]ght?

[B]ut [I] don't remember seeing him in ["]Sine Qua Non["] or the ["H]ub[.]

Actually, Skulls said, "That is Sandman's viper, but no Sandman."

GateDragon
June 8th, 2008, 09:22 AM
Actually, Skulls said, "That is Sandman's viper, but no Sandman."

oh i thought he said "sam man

ok thanks

AeronPrometheus
June 8th, 2008, 10:45 AM
Oooh, also, did anyone notice the promotional pictures for this episode? One of the shots depicts an event that was obviously cut from the final episode. Go hunt them down to see.

You mean this?

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/gallery/index.php?p=33&sub=season04

Looks like it might be part of the next episode.

Aeron

Trek_Girl42
June 8th, 2008, 10:50 AM
The question is: what's stopping the Cylons from rebuilding a resurrection hub? On a similar note, isn't there a resurrection centre back on the Cylon homeworld? I mean, I know it's probably a long way away, but surely much faster now they can retrace back again. And as for the Resurrection Hub being the only facility where D'Anna was boxed, that's just silly. Surely there are some back at the Cylon homeworld.

Alas, I don't think we'll be visiting this world anytime soon.

Oooh, also, did anyone notice the promotional pictures for this episode? One of the shots depicts an event that was obviously cut from the final episode. Go hunt them down to see.Do you know where to find HQ promo pictures this season? I really haven't seen very many. Could you spoiler tag what the pic is?

fatarse
June 8th, 2008, 11:57 AM
And how has that changed? In case you are forgetting he has his own "nymph squad".

And he's still the comic relief. Thank God he did not died. BSG would not be the same without him.:)

Bruman
June 8th, 2008, 12:09 PM
My favorite line in this ep was Baltar's comment about the Hybrid...

"I think she even likes me!"

Totally classic Baltar. And I also liked how the hybrid really did seem to respond to him. Didn't seem to work on Rosslyn though, when he said "you're really very pretty."

Watching Rosslyn try to talk to the hybrid was also pretty comical.


I thought that betraying the Cylons on their own ship was a politically inastute thing to do. But maybe Rosslyn isn't thinking straight.

And BTW, don't the Cylons have their own plan to have the centurions step in and do something as soon as they have the final five? So, Sharon-8 shouldn't really be so surprised at the possibility of betrayal.


So does Boomer get blown up with the hub? I agree that having the hub be the key to all downloading and relatively undefended is just wacky. Don't these computer expert Cylons know about backup systems? There's got to be a download center on the Cylon home world. I think the hub is just a plot device that was underthought.

I must admit, I really like the Cavil character... not as someone to admire, mind you, but just as someone really interesting. I loved back in Occupation, when he says "Delusional machines, what will the universe think up next." He's got a great sense of irony and humor. Or when he's dragged in on Lay down your Burdens shouting "I'm not a cylon.... Oh..." Or when he says "We'll throw in Baltar... sweeten the deal..." in Eye of Jupiter.

Baltar trying to convert the Centurion was classic too. If they had their inhibitors removed, who knows, it could have worked.


Finally, anyone else wondering how it is that Starbuck is CAG back on Galactica (this is really a Sine Qua Non ep comment). I mean, what has she done exactly that makes the Galactica crew suddenly decide she's not likely to be a Cylon. Bring a basestar around? And worse, the Galactica has now been told that the Final Five are in the fleet/on galactica. So I don't see how this means they should be trusting Starbuck.

dec55
June 8th, 2008, 12:39 PM
A great part of this eppy was all how the eights seem to be everywhere helping
the humans.

The best part for me was the speech to the Human pilots to
fight with the Organic Cylons by a Sharon 8.

Grace Park really did a outstanding job playing so many types of Sharons , as well as Tricia with
the 6's.

It looks like the Sharon models as 6 models are resigned to the fact they have only one life
now. The Sharon 8 model seemed happy to tell Helo that it was OK with her. Though the
number 3 model looked really upset and had a lot of ill feelings to her human allies.
The 3 also seemed to think of the 8s as easily distracted by the next best thing....or
basically a kid who just wants to have fun.....

Which comes to the irony that it seems the Sharons have basically become the main model
who love supporting humans openly.

I have a feeling Boomer survived the attack.

Plus the Organic Cylon combat uniforms looked pretty cool.....

SoulReaver
June 8th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Thank God he did not died. BSG would not be the same without him.:)yeah...it would've been really sad if he had dieded :(

Fjord
June 8th, 2008, 01:04 PM
When i was watching this episode i kept wondering if it was apropriate to laugh at several scenes...which i ended up laughing at anyways.......





I also had a really really really crazy theory. In the back of mind i kept thinking of Elosha as if she was fake leoben and not Roslin's conscience. The fact that Elsoha was trying to get Roslin to love, sort of reminded me of old gods and Aphrodite.....we also do know that Roslin's mother was a devout follower of Aphrodite...maybe the old gods are starting to connect to the character via these strange avatars and visions

Trek_Girl42
June 8th, 2008, 01:20 PM
pretty much BSG version of "grace" from sg1Ugh the two episodes don't even warrant comparison. "Grace" is better left forgotten. :S

Trek_Girl42
June 8th, 2008, 01:34 PM
When i was watching this episode i kept wondering if it was apropriate to laugh at several scenes...which i ended up laughing at anyways.......:lol:

We get this episode of Galactica with possibly the best dialog the show has ever done, and then we get this line from D'Anna:

"He's injured, but I think he'll survive."

Uhhh.....

Probably the worst, most ridiculously redundant line on the show ever- how did that one slip through? :weiranime20:

hoof
June 8th, 2008, 01:47 PM
:lol:

We get this episode of Galactica with possibly the best dialog the show has ever done, and then we get this line from D'Anna:

"He's injured, but I think he'll survive."

Uhhh.....

Probably the worst, most ridiculously redundant line on the show ever- how did that one slip through? :weiranime20:

That depends on your objective for the dialog. From 3's perspective (who has just walked into the room and noticed baltar hurt), it makes total sense. She hasn't been there for half an episode. She hasn't watched him bleed and seen his bandage removed then replaced. From her perspective, she sees Baltar apparantly dying, checks him out, realizes he'll live, then (like a lot of people do), states this to the rest. Obviously Roslyn would know, but Helo was with 3 all the time so wouldn't know.

Or, you could take the perspective of dialog only for the audience's sake. In that case, it's obvious and redundant, since we just got done watching all that stuff between Roslyn and Baltar.

Basically, do you write the scenes as if the characters were actually experiencing what's happening, or do you write them solely for the benefit of the audience? Personally, I like the fact that this show takes a more realistic approach. Star trek would do the opposite, they'd explain something, then throw in an analogy (oh, it's like inflating a balloon!), even though the characters in question wouldn't need that extra bit of insight.

Trek_Girl42
June 8th, 2008, 02:31 PM
That depends on your objective for the dialog. From 3's perspective (who has just walked into the room and noticed baltar hurt), it makes total sense. She hasn't been there for half an episode. She hasn't watched him bleed and seen his bandage removed then replaced. From her perspective, she sees Baltar apparantly dying, checks him out, realizes he'll live, then (like a lot of people do), states this to the rest. Obviously Roslyn would know, but Helo was with 3 all the time so wouldn't know.

Or, you could take the perspective of dialog only for the audience's sake. In that case, it's obvious and redundant, since we just got done watching all that stuff between Roslyn and Baltar.

Basically, do you write the scenes as if the characters were actually experiencing what's happening, or do you write them solely for the benefit of the audience? Personally, I like the fact that this show takes a more realistic approach. Star trek would do the opposite, they'd explain something, then throw in an analogy (oh, it's like inflating a balloon!), even though the characters in question wouldn't need that extra bit of insight.But including "he's injured" in there.....ugh. (every time a show does that it drives me up the wall) And she looks up at Roslin when she says that "he's injured" as if Roslin didn't know. :P

You're right it could be realistic which is what Galactica does, but I'm not sure that was a necessary realism. :P

Pic
June 8th, 2008, 02:47 PM
OK, I'm not a Baltar fan, but he had some good scenes in this ep.

I became very uncomfortable during his chat with the centurion. Who's to say the tin-man wasn't transmitting Baltar's little speech to his buddies? Hmmm...

If it's stand alone, it's very funny. If it has an arc, we're so frakked.

Dusk
June 8th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Do you know where to find HQ promo pictures this season? I really haven't seen very many. Could you spoiler tag what the pic is?

Yes they are hard to come by. IGN (http://au.media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/imgs_1.html) has a small selection, including the one I was referring to.

Specifically, I am talking about the image that shows Cavill with a gun, looking a bit edgy.

Trek_Girl42
June 8th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Yes they are hard to come by. IGN (http://au.media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/imgs_1.html) has a small selection, including the one I was referring to.

Specifically, I am talking about the image that shows Cavill with a gun, looking a bit edgy.Ahh, that's familiar- saw it somewhere but I couldn't figure out where it was from. Now I know. :P

AeronPrometheus
June 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Yes they are hard to come by. IGN (http://au.media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/imgs_1.html) has a small selection, including the one I was referring to.

Specifically, I am talking about the image that shows Cavill with a gun, looking a bit edgy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's from the New Caprica arc. Looks like it just got mis shuffled in with the rest. Funny that Battlestar Wiki used that very image.

On the flip side... He only wears that hat when he's on hard turf... Earth?

anotherquestion
June 8th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Is it just me, or did the Basestar seem "more wounded" this episode than the last, where most of the "arms" appeared to have healed before it jumped?
Before, didn't Adama read from his only copy of the "Falconer" novel. Where does the other one come from on the Basestar that Roslin leafs through ? I don't think it was only during the "fantasy" scenes (during the small jumps). Also the one Adama reads in the Raptor didn't appear to be burned as it did before. Finally, at the deathbed vision, Adama is obviously reading from the beginning of the novel rather than the end, which seems unlikely.
Why the small jumps back to Galactica? I can understand the jumps in the other direction (they were trying to track a moving target, the hub). But the hybrid knew where they were to begin with. If the hybrid were still unsettled by the death of the Natalie, why jump back at all? The small jumps would explain why the raptors from Galactica found the debris from the battle without the basestar returning, giving Adama the motivation and opportunity to remain behind, but there was not a coherent explanation why the "limping" jumps back.
Baltar is always fun to watch, but I wish he would emerge from his "three stooges" phase. In this episode, his dialog showed all the ego without any of the compensating intelligence that we've grown accustomed to. Talking to the Centurion makes no sense to me at all. There are already enough divisions among the Cylons to make things interesting without adding a "class" revolution to the mix.
Helo became unsettled when he learned that the "eight" model accessed all of Athena's memories about himself and their child, and with good reason. I don't see how he can be sure that the "real" Athena that he shot was the one who returned to Galactica. Contrary to what Roslin said, Helo is truly married to the production line, at least that part of it who shared the most intimate memories of Athena.
The whole concept of a Resurrection Hub above and beyond the Resurrection ships strikes me as bit of a contrivance to level the playing field between the Cylons and the Colonials. It seems extraordinary that any Cylons would assist on such a fundamentally game-changing raid, despite their curiosity about and feelings for the final five. To me, the closest historical analog would be the Kamikaze or Banzai attacks in WWII, when one side was extremely desperate.
Just as the Hub, to me, seems to be a writers device to move forward the "endgame", so does the continued use of "visions" to bring the stronger characters to a place they ought to arrived at by their own inner thoughts and conflicts working out over time. While I do believe this episode was very moving in its writing and its acting, it doesn't seem to me that so big a nudge was necessary for Roslin to see that she was loved, nor did I really buy the proposition that she was unable to express love herself, despite her responsibilities, illness, and the apocalyptic circumstances. This seems to be the "anti-episode" of "Unfinished Business" where emotional attachments were supposed to be reined in for the good of the many.

nckzvnbr
June 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM
This midseason break is going to suck. I wonder how much is going to be leaked because of it. I don't understand why they don't just put em all out and get the DVDs out as soon as possible while the US dollar still has some viability. I would think they would want to make money off this as soon as possible rather than later. By the time the DVDs come out gas is going to be so expensive I will be unable to drive to the store to buy them.

Darth_Bicyclist
June 9th, 2008, 12:22 AM
By the time the DVDs come out gas is going to be so expensive I will be unable to drive to the store to buy them.

You want me to pick them up for you?

omega431
June 9th, 2008, 06:20 AM
When i was watching this episode i kept wondering if
I also had a really really really crazy theory. In the back of mind i kept thinking of Elosha as if she was fake leoben and not Roslin's conscience. The fact that Elsoha was trying to get Roslin to love, sort of reminded me of old gods and Aphrodite.....we also do know that Roslin's mother was a devout follower of Aphrodite...maybe the old gods are starting to connect to the character via these strange avatars and visions

Not crazy at all. I thought that from the first moment.
Someone on here had said that it was odd that Roslin should come along and reclaim her humanity through love or something to that effect. I think it makes sense and is a nice point against the Head Six telling Baltar on Kobol that killing is what it is to be human.

Skydiver
June 9th, 2008, 10:24 AM
This midseason break is going to suck. I wonder how much is going to be leaked because of it. I don't understand why they don't just put em all out and get the DVDs out as soon as possible while the US dollar still has some viability. I would think they would want to make money off this as soon as possible rather than later. By the time the DVDs come out gas is going to be so expensive I will be unable to drive to the store to buy them.
i think the writers strike had a lot to do with it. from what i hear, bsg was pretty much shut down. so it's possible that there was never intended to be a real long hiatus, but the strike - and tons of post production - changed that

Pepermint Jaffa
June 9th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Was Anders on the basestar when it jumped away? I could have sworn he was. If so, where was he during the attack on the Hub?

entil2001
June 9th, 2008, 03:29 PM
All things considered, the previous episode was poorly received by the majority of the fans, with many elements considered over the top or simply out of character. This episode is equally challenging, but the forward momentum of events and the improvement in characterization should help overcome the oddities of the format.

Covering roughly the same period of time as the previous episode, the focus of the story is on the Human-Cylon Rebel alliance and Roslin’s personal journey. The alliance was never going to be an easy sell, and the sudden jump away from the fleet and Natalie’s reported death make things a lot worse. Roslin, still operating in “survival at any cost” mode, wants to take down the resurrection hub, grab D’Anna, and grill her for information before letting the Cylon Rebels see her. What that might cost anyone else is simply not her problem.

Except, of course, that every time the basestar jumps, Roslin finds herself having visions of her own death, with a bit of scathing commentary from Elosha, the priestess who previously helped Roslin with matter of faith and who was killed in “Home: Part I”. Elosha chastises Roslin for losing sight of her own humanity, in turn threatening the survival of the species. The implication is that her decisions could risk everyone around her because she has lost the ability to care about anyone else. This, in effect, makes it impossible to see what is best for those in her charge.

It may seem a reach, but this ties back into one of the ongoing themes of the series, introduced right back in the miniseries. One important question has always been: is Humanity worthy of survival? Have they sown the instrument of their own destruction because they deserve to be destroyed? The argument for Roslin is that her methods and choices undermine any argument for Humanity’s continuance.

From a certain point of view, this has already been demonstrated. Destroying the hub and leveling the playing field wouldn’t have been possible without Adama’s decision to trust Kara, something Roslin vehemently opposed. Roslin has often been stubborn, and to some extent, Adama’s conversion to her side over the course of the series has given her a sense of superior entitlement. One can only imagine what her reaction will be to Lee’s position when she returns. (A turn of events that, at this point, seems to have been incredibly preemptive. since the appointment was decided in two days!)

Elosha’s message was a simple one: Roslin needs to find a psychological and emotional lifeline to keep her humanity intact. Her understanding and resolve is put to the test when Baltar, in a dubious plot twist, reveals his guilt over his role in the destruction of the colonies. Roslin’s first reaction is to let Baltar bleed out and die for his monumental crime against humanity. Elosha guides her differently: with the survival of Humanity at stake, every life is worthy to be saved.

I’m not sure I believe that Roslin would convert so quickly, in a sudden panic to save Baltar’s life, but it does represent a small turning point. She still betrays the alliance with the Cylon Rebels, but she saves Baltar’s life. It’s a foregone conclusion that his survival, perhaps in tandem with his conversation with the Centurion, will be an important piece of the resolution puzzle.

And while the process wasn’t necessarily pretty, it’s the final step for Roslin and Adama’s relationship. Watching the final moments of the episode, I was reminded of the political and personal tension between Roslin and Adama in the first season. This episode harkens back to “Resurrection Ship: Part II” on several levels (the circumstances of the battle, the discussion on why Humanity should survive, etc.), and that was a huge turning point for the two of them. In that respect, this episode gives us a sense that the journey really is coming to an end.

I liked the return of D’Anna, who has defied any attempt to make her little more than a pawn in the game now that things have changed, and I like the idea that Humans and Cylons are now more similar than ever. It continues to point to the possibility of the two species merging for survival. Elosha’s presence seems to indicate that the connections to prophecy continue to be meaningful, and recent visions and prophecies have been in line with the concept of a combined future.

I must also give kudos to Bear McCreary for the score, especially during the impressive battle scenes, and similarly, the effects team. I recently made a belated switch to HD and this episode was visually stunning. It’s good to have an episode where the underlying drama rivals the presentation. With the season hitting a lengthy hiatus after the next episode, I can only hope that the momentum continues in the right direction.


John Keegan
Reprinted with permission
Original source: c. Critical Myth, 2008
All rights reserved
Link: http://www.criticalmyth.com

Pic
June 9th, 2008, 04:05 PM
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Before, didn't Adama read from his only copy of the "Falconer" novel. Where does the other one come from on the Basestar that Roslin leafs through ? I don't think it was only during the "fantasy" scenes (during the small jumps). Also the one Adama reads in the Raptor didn't appear to be burned as it did before. Finally, at the deathbed vision, Adama is obviously reading from the beginning of the novel rather than the end, which seems unlikely.

I think it's confusing because we saw some things out of order here. In the Sine Qua Non we saw the couple of days from the perspective of the Colonial fleet. In The Hub, we see the same days from the Basestar.

Here's the book's story arc: ;)

In 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner?'
The book is taken by Roslin when she takes Baltar in the Raptor and heads over to the basestar have a chat with the hybrid.

in 'The Hub'
She then has visions during jumps in which she "sees" Adama reading it to her.
in 'The Hub'
She then takes a rest in the raptor, telling Helo it's familiar, and leaves the book there. She obviously doesn't pick it up before Pike takes the raptor out on the mission to destroy the hub.
in 'The Hub'
Pike freaks during the battle, and jumps away to meet Galactica. As he's jumping away, shrapnel/bullet/etc hits him.

in 'Sine Qua Non'
The fleet finds Pike and his raptor (well, Racetack, because she can find anything -- why aren't they sending her out to find earth? -- oops, side-topic)
in 'Sine Qua Non'
Once the raptor is back on Galactica, Adama finds the scorched book. He takes it with him when the fleet leaves him behind as he hangs out in the raptor waiting for his girlfriend to show up.

So events we saw in Sine Qua Non actually happened after events we saw the following week in The Hub.

Or am I missing the point?

anotherquestion
June 9th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Here's the book's story arc: ;)

In 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner?'
The book is taken by Roslin when she takes Baltar in the Raptor and heads over to the basestar have a chat with the hybrid.

in 'The Hub'
She then has visions during jumps in which she "sees" Adama reading it to her.
in 'The Hub'
She then takes a rest in the raptor, telling Helo it's familiar, and leaves the book there. She obviously doesn't pick it up before Pike takes the raptor out on the mission to destroy the hub.
in 'The Hub'
Pike freaks during the battle, and jumps away to meet Galactica. As he's jumping away, shrapnel/bullet/etc hits him.

in 'Sine Qua Non'
The fleet finds Pike and his raptor (well, Racetack, because she can find anything -- why aren't they sending her out to find earth? -- oops, side-topic)
in 'Sine Qua Non'
Once the raptor is back on Galactica, Adama finds the scorched book. He takes it with him when the fleet leaves him behind as he hangs out in the raptor waiting for his girlfriend to show up.

So events we saw in Sine Qua Non actually happened after events we saw the following week in The Hub.

Or am I missing the point?
Thanks a lot for the timeline. Makes sense now.

Kezia
June 9th, 2008, 06:17 PM
I think it's confusing because we saw some things out of order here. In the Sine Qua Non we saw the couple of days from the perspective of the Colonial fleet. In The Hub, we see the same days from the Basestar.

Here's the book's story arc: ;)

In 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner?'
The book is taken by Roslin when she takes Baltar in the Raptor and heads over to the basestar have a chat with the hybrid.

in 'The Hub'
She then has visions during jumps in which she "sees" Adama reading it to her.
in 'The Hub'
She then takes a rest in the raptor, telling Helo it's familiar, and leaves the book there. She obviously doesn't pick it up before Pike takes the raptor out on the mission to destroy the hub.
in 'The Hub'
Pike freaks during the battle, and jumps away to meet Galactica. As he's jumping away, shrapnel/bullet/etc hits him.

in 'Sine Qua Non'
The fleet finds Pike and his raptor (well, Racetack, because she can find anything -- why aren't they sending her out to find earth? -- oops, side-topic)
in 'Sine Qua Non'
Once the raptor is back on Galactica, Adama finds the scorched book. He takes it with him when the fleet leaves him behind as he hangs out in the raptor waiting for his girlfriend to show up.

So events we saw in Sine Qua Non actually happened after events we saw the following week in The Hub.

Or am I missing the point?

No way. I completely missed all of that.

Kudos on the great timeline :)

Dusk
June 10th, 2008, 06:56 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's from the New Caprica arc. Looks like it just got mis shuffled in with the rest.

No, it was definitely released by Universal with the media package for this ep. The background looks baseship-like, but there is something amiss. I can't quite put my finger on it.


Was Anders on the basestar when it jumped away? I could have sworn he was. If so, where was he during the attack on the Hub?

Perhaps this was being filmed around the time Michael Trucco was in that car accident? I noticed he wasn't credited in Sine Qua Non either, so I guess he simply wasn't on the baseship.

Trek_Girl42
June 10th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Perhaps this was being filmed around the time Michael Trucco was in that car accident? I noticed he wasn't credited in Sine Qua Non either, so I guess he simply wasn't on the baseship.No, Trucco had his car accident right before/after Christmas, BSG hadn't been filming for nearly two months at that point.

Pic
June 10th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Just in case folks haven't found this yet, here's an interview with Jane Espenson, the writer of this episode.

http://io9.com/5014700/jane-espenson-on-battlestars-morbid-humor-and-superstitious-atheists

My favorite comment is about Helo and all the 8's running around with his wife's memories. Jane says "Helo loves Athena, and he's a one-toaster man."
:lol:

Trek_Girl42
June 10th, 2008, 11:05 AM
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/06/10/battlestar-galactica-interview-jane-espenson-on-episode-9-the-hub/

Another Jane Espenson interview. :D

Anyone know when her next ep is? Becausethat's some excellent news for Laura fans. Both the fact that she'll be and funny and that she'll be alive to be funny. :D

Trek_Girl42
June 10th, 2008, 11:54 AM
More from Jane Espenson:

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Battlestar-Galactica/Battlestar-Galactica-Questions/800041231

I wish she'd give us the details on all those deleted scenes! :P

GateDragon
June 15th, 2008, 06:16 PM
so is boomer dead???/she ran from the hub ...and i would assume she was aboard the baseship that was destroyed when the hub was taken out

Trek_Girl42
June 15th, 2008, 09:06 PM
so is boomer dead???/she ran from the hub ...and i would assume she was aboard the baseship that was destroyed when the hub was taken outJane Espenson hinted in a couple of interviews that she probably had time to get out.

Trek_Girl42
June 24th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Awwwww, according to the podcast Billy was originally supposed to be in the ep but the scheduling didn't work. But not complaining about seeing Elosha. :)

GateDragon
June 24th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Awwwww, according to the podcast Billy was originally supposed to be in the ep but the scheduling didn't work. But not complaining about seeing Elosha. :)

that would have been amazing

i've never really enjoyed the roslin scenes as much since he left

Trek_Girl42
June 24th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Podcast comments, in tags for those who haven't listened yet and don't want to be spoiled for it!
Hehe. I was so right about the ring being improvised. :D

And yay RDM hated that the cylon gag was in the promo as well. :P

And they used "Han Solo moment" was indeed the intent behind Adama's last line.

kharn the betrayer
June 24th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Awwwww, according to the podcast Billy was originally supposed to be in the ep but the scheduling didn't work. But not complaining about seeing Elosha. :)

wait what! while I didnt mind seeing Elosha I liked and Miss Billy hell of alot more than her T_T

its also made even worse by the fact that Billy's replacement well... blah

Daedalus-304
June 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM
I wish she'd give us the details on all those deleted scenes! :P

Yes, that would be nice. Hopefully there will an extended version of this episode on the DVD as well. This episode and the next need a little more to flesh it out.


Podcast comments, in tags for those who haven't listened yet and don't want to be spoiled for it!

The podcast is up already? I wonder what's wrong with my Itunes podcast subscription, the last episode it shows as being available is "The road less traveled."

kharn the betrayer
June 25th, 2008, 12:04 AM
Yes, that would be nice. Hopefully there will an extended version of this episode on the DVD as well. This episode and the next need a little more to flesh it out.

that would be nice I mean Pegasus and Unfinished business got an extended episode

so far out of season 4 if I was to have 1 episode have an extended cut it would be this one or revelations

Trek_Girl42
June 25th, 2008, 12:06 AM
Yes, that would be nice. Hopefully there will an extended version of this episode on the DVD as well. This episode and the next need a little more to flesh it out.Yes, it was mentioned in the commentary that there were over twenty minutes of deleted material for this one- hopefully we'll get another "Unfinished Business" deal here. That extended ep alone was worth the entire price of the series three set, same with Pegasus in season two.

And I guess for the mini it felt the same, for me anyway, since I only saw the shortened "sanitized" version when it aired on tv.

Give us a big bonus like this each season and it makes the box set that much more must-have.

Not that it isn't anyway. :P

kharn the betrayer
June 25th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Yes, it was mentioned in the commentary that there were over twenty minutes of deleted material for this one- hopefully we'll get another "Unfinished Business" deal here. That extended ep alone was worth the entire price of the series three set, same with Pegasus in season two.

And I guess for the mini it felt the same, for me anyway, since I only saw the shortened "sanitized" version when it aired on tv.

Give us a big bonus like this each season and it makes the box set that much more must-have.

Not that it isn't anyway. :P

20 min damn please oh please have an extended cut

oh and BTW could you please post the link to the podcasts

Trek_Girl42
June 25th, 2008, 12:17 AM
20 min damn please oh please have an extended cut

oh and BTW could you please post the link to the podcasts
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php

kharn the betrayer
June 25th, 2008, 12:19 AM
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php

thank you~

Pharaoh Atem
September 24th, 2008, 05:39 AM
:mckay: man are the pilots a bunch of whining babies except hotdog and helo

Pharaoh Atem
September 24th, 2008, 06:17 AM
OMG i want the new version of "roslin adama" at the end

AresLover452
February 21st, 2010, 11:36 PM
At the end when Roslin tells Adama that she loves him, I love the looks EJO has after she whispers those words.

kusanagi
February 23rd, 2010, 03:45 AM
:indeed:

AresLover452
February 23rd, 2010, 10:04 PM
they were just so awesome!!

Pharaoh Atem
February 24th, 2010, 11:29 AM
they were just so awesome!!

visual poetry

AresLover452
February 24th, 2010, 12:05 PM
i like that, and that certainly does fit our Leaders in Love.

Pharaoh Atem
February 24th, 2010, 09:14 PM
i like that, and that certainly does fit our Leaders in Love.

well i meant the battle of the resurrection hub. between bear's score and the visual effects. it was just epic.

AresLover452
February 25th, 2010, 06:08 PM
I loved all of it. The reunion of Roslin and Adama and even the destruction of the HUB.

D'Anna: And with a single breathe every Cylon begins to die.

Second favorite Line.

Pharaoh Atem
February 25th, 2010, 06:15 PM
Three: Oh, the inhibition's been lifted... Oh, I sense it.

Boomer: It's the rebel Baseship. I think they're gonna attack. They're gonna blow the Hub.

Cavil: That would be mass murder. Death would be permanent for all of us. They've gone insane...

Three: Permanent death? Well, that makes this all the more meaningful.

(She bashes his head against the side of the tub, killing him, and thinks about her next move. Boomer runs off.)

(Raiders and Vipers attack the Hub and Basestar.)

:D

AresLover452
February 25th, 2010, 06:34 PM
Her look before and after that was such a Xena look it was great!!

Aphelionite
March 16th, 2010, 11:07 AM
I had flashbacks to Xena too, lol! I *loved* Xena! Prefer the earlier seasons though, got a bit odd towards the end...

EvilSpaceAlien
March 19th, 2010, 06:39 AM
ROSLIN: I love you.

ADAMA: About time.

One of my favorite scenes in the first part of the season. :D

Pharaoh Atem
March 19th, 2010, 10:36 AM
ROSLIN: I love you.

ADAMA: About time.

One of my favorite scenes in the first part of the season. :D


Helo: we are clear of the hub commence nuclear strike. i repeat we are clear of the hub commence nuclear strike.

:D kaboom

AresLover452
March 19th, 2010, 12:20 PM
ROSLIN: I love you.

ADAMA: About time.

One of my favorite scenes in the first part of the season. :D

i love that one too. I was in Shipper Heaven wen she admitted it!!!

Morgania
October 20th, 2010, 11:03 PM
i love that one too. I was in Shipper Heaven wen she admitted it!!!

Yes! How did long did poor Adama have to wait before she admitted that?

Pharaoh Atem
October 21st, 2010, 07:47 PM
Yes! How did long did poor Adama have to wait before she admitted that?

since season 2's resurrection ship .

Morgania
October 21st, 2010, 07:51 PM
since season 2's resurrection ship .

That long, huh? Poor man. I cheered when she admitted it.