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April 10th, 2008, 01:24 PM
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The Cylon models feud over the proper course of action after learning that the final five models are living as Colonials. Adama and Roslin debate Kara's fate after her confrontation with the President.

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Pharaoh Atem
April 11th, 2008, 07:02 PM
first ep that really made me cry ....the whole lee leaving really felt like losing a family member i mean the send off in the hanger bay was amazing ...him being in the ready room and the play back of his days as the CAG

i'm going to miss lee being the CAG and being the face of the series so to speak. :(

as for the cylons ...holy **** totally love Natalie and the fact that she turned the centurions against the rest of the human models ....and now they can think for them selves ... :D

overall a complete perfect 10

somedude
April 11th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Can't Lee leave during a less critical moment, seeing as how experienced Viper pilots are in huge demand?

So I guess Helo is the CAG, and Tigh is back to being XO.

Oh, and Racetrack is so hot. The whole ep. should be of her in that tank top, rawr!:)

Lady Snow
April 11th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I totally called it - Zarek was the one who got Lee into the government. :D

More later, I'm still in "gut reaction" mode.

kharn the betrayer
April 11th, 2008, 07:06 PM
love the episode though I feel really sorry for Tori having to frak Baltar

and speaking of Baltar HOLY HELL he saw Head Baltar... i thought Head Baltar was Caprica's little hallucination


the one part I hated was... the Lee Kara kiss because I despise the whole LQoD
thankful it lasted about 5 seconds and with how things are going the two wont see each other for a long time

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:07 PM
first ep that really made me cry ....the whole lee leaving really felt like losing a family member i mean the send off in the hanger bay was amazing ...him being in the ready room and the play back of his days as the CAG

i'm going to miss lee being the CAG and being the face of the series so to speak. :(

as for the cylons ...holy **** totally love Natalie and the fact that she turned the centurions against the rest of the human models ....and now they can think for them selves ... :D

overall a complete perfect 10
I hate watching this show with other people! I was on the verge of crying two or three times this ep.....When Lee left! Watching Starbuck! And especially when Laura's hair started to fall out! :eek:

I just know I won't be able to contain it over the next few weeks I'm going to cry like.....every episode. :(

Natalie is awesome! Cavil is cylon #1!? Madame Prez and the Admiral had a fight! They're like such a couple. :jack_new_anime06:

And great ending with sending Starbuck off. The perfect solution; I can't wait to see what happens. :D

kharn the betrayer
April 11th, 2008, 07:11 PM
I find it funny how the human models didnt learn from humans

since how they treated the raiders and centurions is how the humans treated the original Cylon models(like slaves)

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:12 PM
I totally called it - Zarek was the one who got Lee into the government. :D

More later, I'm still in "gut reaction" mode.
I love gut-reaction mode. So much stuff happens, it takes awhile to absorb it all in! I can't believe we only have 18 more hours of BSG left after this! This episode really felt like the beginning of the end.

Something else to make me cry..... :P


love the episode though I feel really sorry for Tori having to frak Baltar

and speaking of Baltar HOLY HELL he saw Head Baltar... i thought Head Baltar was Caprica's little hallucination


the one part I hated was... the Lee Kara kiss because I despise the whole LQoD
thankful it lasted about 5 seconds and with how things are going the two wont see each other for a long timeWell, the quadrangle is as good as over- Lee and Dee are pretty much divorced. "I guess you got the house." :P

Head Baltar was awesome. And really really bizarre. Definitely looking forward to seeing how this plays out.....The bit where they were sitting side by side in the apparently new cafeteria..... :jack_new_anime06:

And Tori, Tori, Tori.....you are an idiot. :S

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:13 PM
I find it funny how the human models didnt learn from humans

since how they treated the raiders and centurions is how the humans treated the original Cylon models(like slaves)
Ironic huh. Wouldn't it just be if the Centurians then turned on the 6s, 8s, and.....did anyone catch Leoben's number? 2 was it?

pynapl
April 11th, 2008, 07:13 PM
...and speaking of Baltar HOLY HELL he saw Head Baltar... i thought Head Baltar was Caprica's little hallucination


the one part I hated was... the Lee Kara kiss because I despise the whole LQoD
thankful it lasted about 5 seconds and with how things are going the two wont see each other for a long time


Yeah! Head Baltar was really strange!! (although it was cool to see the actor play off those two roles so well!!)
And I agree about Lee and Kara...that whole scene I was like, "oh, please don't!" but yeah, I'm just glad that no one walked in on them (as far as we know).

Great episode!! I'm curious to see what is going to happen in cylon land now with these new developments!

ToasterOnFire
April 11th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Hot damn! I WANT MORE!

I haven't been the biggest fan of Sackhoff, but she really owned that early scene with Roslin and Adama. Fantastic. Great scene with Roslin and Adama in his quarters too, my heart ached when Adama accused her of fearing a normal, non-significant death and she started crying when her hair was coming out (does that mean she's on chemo?).

For a second I thought Caprica Six had unboxed Three and that's who was coming in instead of the metaljobs.

Baltar's new role is to sleep with everyone on Galactica in order to gain their trust and respect! Next week: Tigh! :eek:

No more head!Six with Baltar? Why would that be?

Arative
April 11th, 2008, 07:15 PM
This was a great episode on so many levels.

Lee leaving the Galactica. Roslin and Adama growing close, they almost seemed like an old married couple

I'm not sure what to make of Baltar seeing head Baltar. Are head 6 and baltar inter-changable between Baltar and 6? And if so, what does that represent? Are 6 and Baltar suppose to represent Adam and Eve? Basically a melding between cylon and human? Are the head versions, angels from the one God?

Honestly I really wanted a lot more of the cylon basestar and not just because Grace Park was dancing around naked. It was good to see how the cylon society functioned. And for the first time, I think, we heard about someone that programed the skinjobs but it sounded like they had no idea who programed them. With Tigh being so old, I have to believe that the skinjobs are older than the chrome toaster versions of the cylons.

With the centurions able to think for themselves now, will they do to the skinjobs what the chrome toasters did to the humans the first time around, and rebel?

A lot of questions that need to be answered.

kharn the betrayer
April 11th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I love gut-reaction mode. So much stuff happens, it takes awhile to absorb it all in! I can't believe we only have 18 more hours of BSG left after this! This episode really felt like the beginning of the end.

Something else to make me cry..... :P

Well, the quadrangle is as good as over- Lee and Dee are pretty much divorced. "I guess you got the house." :P

Head Baltar was awesome. And really really bizarre. Definitely looking forward to seeing how this plays out.....The bit where they were sitting side by side in the apparently new cafeteria..... :jack_new_anime06:

And Tori, Tori, Tori.....you are an idiot. :S


yes thankfully they are pretty much divorced but I still dont like seeing Kara and Lee sappy crap I just hope with lee being off the galactica that we get to see Lampkin(sp?) the lawyer from the S3 finally again he was great >_>


Ironic huh. Wouldn't it just be if the Centurians then turned on the 6s, 8s, and.....did anyone catch Leoben's number? 2 was it?

Sadly I didnt catch the number but I wonder what they are going to do with the Cavils and what not box them like #3? infact I think this is the perfect opportunity to bring the xenabot back

oh and hopefully 6 and gang take a few pages from the human history book and dont treat their minions like crap

Briangate78
April 11th, 2008, 07:24 PM
This episode was lacking big time. Yet again Baltar is frakking someone. I loved the Starbuck story and that was great. Everything else in the episode just dragged. I did like how Adama really shows how much he cares for Kara. Man, I hope the season is not going to start to suck. It had a great start, well next week's ep looks promising, hopefully they can pick it up.

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Hot damn! I WANT MORE!

I haven't been the biggest fan of Sackhoff, but she really owned that early scene with Roslin and Adama. Fantastic. Great scene with Roslin and Adama in his quarters too, my heart ached when Adama accused her of fearing a normal, non-significant death and she started crying when her hair was coming out (does that mean she's on chemo?).

For a second I thought Caprica Six had unboxed Three and that's who was coming in instead of the metaljobs.

Baltar's new role is to sleep with everyone on Galactica in order to gain their trust and respect! Next week: Tigh! :eek:

No more head!Six with Baltar? Why would that be?
If either Katee Sackhoff or Mary McDonnell don't get an Emmy nomination this year.....It's amazing, and I never thought it possible, but I think Katee especially has even upped how amazing she is already this season, this whole episode. Wow.....the acting on this show is unlike anything, when Jamie Bamber got all teary-eyed..... *sniff* Every moment just feels so real with these actors.

Maybe head!six was finally so disgusted with him she left him and Baltar subconsciously replaced her with himself so that he'd have someone to congratulate him as he conquests the entire fleet. Bets on who he'll sleep with next week? :P


This was a great episode on so many levels.

Lee leaving the Galactica. Roslin and Adama growing close, they almost seemed like an old married couple

I'm not sure what to make of Baltar seeing head Baltar. Are head 6 and baltar inter-changable between Baltar and 6? And if so, what does that represent? Are 6 and Baltar suppose to represent Adam and Eve? Basically a melding between cylon and human? Are the head versions, angels from the one God?

Honestly I really wanted a lot more of the cylon basestar and not just because Grace Park was dancing around naked. It was good to see how the cylon society functioned. And for the first time, I think, we heard about someone that programed the skinjobs but it sounded like they had no idea who programed them. With Tigh being so old, I have to believe that the skinjobs are older than the chrome toaster versions of the cylons.

With the centurions able to think for themselves now, will they do to the skinjobs what the chrome toasters did to the humans the first time around, and rebel?

A lot of questions that need to be answered.The cylon society just keeps on becoming more and more fascinating, and now with this civil war.....

And I LOVE the cylon meetings. "You're late." :P

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:30 PM
yes thankfully they are pretty much divorced but I still dont like seeing Kara and Lee sappy crap I just hope with lee being off the galactica that we get to see Lampkin(sp?) the lawyer from the S3 finally again he was great >_>This is a GREAT time to bring Lampkin back. They must! :D

Sadly I didnt catch the number but I wonder what they are going to do with the Cavils and what not box them like #3? infact I think this is the perfect opportunity to bring the xenabot back

oh and hopefully 6 and gang take a few pages from the human history book and dont treat their minions like crapI hope they unbox the 3s and don't box anyone else.....I want to see all the cylons work out their problems together like the big dysfunctional mechanical family that they are. You wouldn't stick your control freak sibling in cold storage! (wellllll.....) :jack_new_anime06:

Cavil = 1
Leoben = 2
Deana = 3
Simon = 4
Doral = 5
Natalie/Caprica/etc. = 6
? = 7
Sharon = 8
? = 9
? = 10
? = 11
? = 12

Pharaoh Atem
April 11th, 2008, 07:37 PM
baltar seeing his internal self pwn all ....i nearly jumped out of my chair and screamed .....another damn twist we didn't see coming

poor pooor tori .....i don't like her but damn how low can you be to get talked into that so easily

marielabbott
April 11th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Another great episode. :) The scene I liked best: Roslin and Adama. They are emotionally close; they know exactly what to say to wound each other the most. I really felt for Roslin when she discovered her hair was falling out. Looks like the hidden Cylons are having weekly meetings. I loved how Tigh described Baltar there. ;) The beginning of the Cylon split...whoa. Can't wait to see what this will bring. And Starbuck gets her own ship to prove she's not insane and knows where Earth is. Maybe we'll have a split narrative like the first season, with part focusing on the fleet, part on Kara's ship, at least for a few episodes.

The only thing I wasn't thrilled with was the Lee/Kara bit. I've never liked that ship and I hope it won't be a driving factor in the rest of the season. I also wonder why Tori felt the need to sleep with Baltar. :S

Next week looks great as well. :)

BSG_Fan
April 11th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Hey guys,

New member here!

Quick question. I missed the convo between Tori and Baltar after he told her "you should be thankful that have an abundance of feeling" cause I got an important phone call. What did they say?

ToasterOnFire
April 11th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Yeah, my least favorite bits were Baltar getting some action...again (:rolleyes:) and the Lee/Kara, Lee/Dee scenes. The quadrangle of doom last season really dissolved all of my interest in the latter. Blech.

daniel9
April 11th, 2008, 07:42 PM
lol i wonder how long they will keep baltar doing it with tory? hm with head baltar talking about how special and fragile she is. you might think he is going to stay with her

Briangate78
April 11th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Yeah, my least favorite bits were Baltar getting some action...again (:rolleyes:) and the Lee/Kara, Lee/Dee scenes. The quadrangle of doom last season really dissolved all of my interest in the latter. Blech.

Love boat in space. LOL!

kharn the betrayer
April 11th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Yeah, my least favorite bits were Baltar getting some action...again (:rolleyes:) and the Lee/Kara, Lee/Dee scenes. The quadrangle of doom last season really dissolved all of my interest in the latter. Blech.

well atleast the love Quadangle of DOOM!!! seems to have been dropped kicked out the window after these few scenes as lee and Kara are not going to be seeing each other for a good few episodes yay! or atleast bumped down to love triangle DOOM!!! till Kara and Anders are split up

Pharaoh Atem
April 11th, 2008, 07:47 PM
i have no problem with baltar frakking around ....the guys been through a lot :P

ron did say that they wanted to return baltar back to the old days

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:47 PM
Another great episode. :) The scene I liked best: Roslin and Adama. They are emotionally close; they know exactly what to say to wound each other the most. I really felt for Roslin when she discovered her hair was falling out. Looks like the hidden Cylons are having weekly meetings. I loved how Tigh described Baltar there. ;) The beginning of the Cylon split...whoa. Can't wait to see what this will bring. And Starbuck gets her own ship to prove she's not insane and knows where Earth is. Maybe we'll have a split narrative like the first season, with part focusing on the fleet, part on Kara's ship, at least for a few episodes.That was painful- they sure knew how to wound each other, yet I can't help but think yay! Cause they'll reconcile soon.....but then she'll die. Frak! :(

It went by so quick I wonder if I was imagining it, but was that picture Laura shot of her and Adama?

Please don't let that be an omen..... :S

I like the idea of a split story narrative with Starbuck heading to Earth one way, the fleet the other. And then there are the cylons....three way split storyline?

Briangate78
April 11th, 2008, 07:48 PM
i have no problem with baltar frakking around ....the guys been through a lot :P

ron did say that they wanted to return baltar back to the old days

Dude, they've been trying to develop Baltar's character for like 3 years now, now he is back where he started.

Pharaoh Atem
April 11th, 2008, 07:49 PM
Dude, they've been trying to develop Baltar's character for like 3 years now, now he is back where he started.

i prefer this over the baltar of season 3

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:53 PM
i prefer this over the baltar of season 3The Baltar of season three was messed up.....but he had to go through all of that to get back this place, where he has the humour and vices of season one, but compiled with the experience of the last two seasons.....should make for a very interesting arc this season.....

ToasterOnFire
April 11th, 2008, 07:53 PM
It went by so quick I wonder if I was imagining it, but was that picture Laura shot of her and Adama?

Please don't let that be an omen..... :S
Yep, and the bullet hit right between them too. Disturbing. :(

kharn the betrayer
April 11th, 2008, 07:55 PM
The Baltar of season three was messed up.....but he had to go through all of that to get back this place, where he has the humour and vices of season one, but compiled with the experience of the last two seasons.....should make for a very interesting arc this season.....

yes it does

atleast he isnt contemplating stealing an old grannies chance of survival like he did in the Miniseries...

Trek_Girl42
April 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Folks in this thread already resorting to redding over essentially nothing.....how pathetically immature. Both on the part of those who initiate and those who retaliate. :rolleyes:


Toasteronfire: Yikes! Right between.....way to go for the brutal symbolism. :S

I wonder what happened to the picture after that.....

marielabbott
April 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Hey guys,

New member here!

Quick question. I missed the convo between Tori and Baltar after he told her "you should be thankful that have an abundance of feeling" cause I got an important phone call. What did they say?

Welcome! :) I don't remember the exact words, but I think Baltar talked a bit about how after spending time with Cylons he realized they do feel, and that even though man created them, perhaps the Cylon's one true God was able to give them a soul. Maybe someone else remembers more accurately than that, but I think that was the gist of the conversation. Then they went back to what Baltar likes to do best. :rolleyes:


Yeah, my least favorite bits were Baltar getting some action...again (:rolleyes:) and the Lee/Kara, Lee/Dee scenes. The quadrangle of doom last season really dissolved all of my interest in the latter. Blech.

Yeah, I wonder what they are going to do with Dee this year. Though I'm not too interested in her after last season either. Meh.


That was painful- they sure knew how to wound each other, yet I can't help but think yay! Cause they'll reconcile soon.....but then she'll die. Frak! :(

It went by so quick I wonder if I was imagining it, but was that picture Laura shot of her and Adama?

Please don't let that be an omen..... :S

I like the idea of a split story narrative with Starbuck heading to Earth one way, the fleet the other. And then there are the cylons....three way split storyline?

I didn't catch that about the picture...oh, man. As if her impending death wasn't sad enough. :(

Yeah, maybe a three way split narrative. That'd be interesting. I can see them intercutting all the stories brilliantly.

Lady Snow
April 11th, 2008, 08:10 PM
A couple more gut reactions:

Holy crap - Racetrack is hot. And this from a straight girl! Hot Dog - not so much.

Head!Baltar was fascinating and amusing, but entirely random at this point. I was texting a friend during the commercials, and we both agreed on this. I loved it from the OMG-fangirling POV, but I really hope it goes somewhere.

The centurions frakked some s#!& up. And it was glorious. The whole Cylon Civil War (CCW anyone?) should be a good time - it feels vaguely like what I imagine the original Cylon War was, namely a time when the masters didn't respect the glorified toasters. Here's hoping the Sixes, Twos and (most of the) Eights treat them right.

And speaking of Eights - EW. SERIOUSLY. Pardon the caps, and I mean no disrespect to the Cavils, but really - GROSS. :)

rarocks24
April 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM
yes thankfully they are pretty much divorced but I still dont like seeing Kara and Lee sappy crap I just hope with lee being off the galactica that we get to see Lampkin(sp?) the lawyer from the S3 finally again he was great >_>



Sadly I didnt catch the number but I wonder what they are going to do with the Cavils and what not box them like #3? infact I think this is the perfect opportunity to bring the xenabot back

oh and hopefully 6 and gang take a few pages from the human history book and dont treat their minions like crap

In the teaser for the next episode, Natalie asks a centurion to do something, and then says, "please". I think the Cylons, at least the 8s, 6s, and 2s? are beginning to realize how human they've, as a species, have become, with all the good and the bad.

the fifth man
April 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM
So far, this season is starting off right IMO. Two very strong episodes. And next week's looks great as well. I can't wait to see what will go on with Kara's search, and the whole Cylon situation. Now that the Centurions can think for themselves, I wonder what will happen?

jenks
April 11th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Am I missing something? What was with that 8 ballet dancing topless near the beginning?

daniel9
April 11th, 2008, 09:19 PM
if u remember one of the season 3 eps when baltar was walking around the basestar there was a nude 8 lost in formdancing also.

hm i wonder which side adama will end up believing in? the one true God or the multiple gods? tory now seems to have an interest in that one true God2. and we all know tyrol is a easy believer with how he felt in the temple of five. what will make tigh believe? maybe the healing of his eye?

Lady Snow
April 11th, 2008, 09:36 PM
what will make tigh believe? maybe the healing of his eye?

His uncanny ability to get Tori to do whatever he says.

Jeffala
April 11th, 2008, 09:40 PM
Am I missing something? What was with that 8 ballet dancing topless near the beginning?

That reminded me of Irulan's dance/training-thing in the Dune miniseries.

Maybe it was Boomer and she and the "lead" Cavil are sexing it up. (eew)


Joy. I was right (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=8035365&postcount=11).


Can't wait until next week.

Fjord
April 11th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Man i absolutely love the prospects of a cylon civil war. The way Six mercilessly slaughtered One and the others. I can't wait for more.....BSG just got a lot more interesting.........

JackBurton
April 11th, 2008, 10:25 PM
Head Baltar nothing better than yourself playing the devil on your shoulder. Also was that an apple in Baltar's hand(when he walked up to Tori)?

TameFarrar
April 11th, 2008, 11:29 PM
Well I guess I will be the first detractor posting

I completely LOVED the Lee/Kara scene. I thought it was poignant and well done. I personally have never had a problem with the Lee/Kara romance...but I hated the quadrangle of Doom.. now that Dee/Lee is effectively done..all that needs to happen is Sam and Kara be done. and Lee/Kara can go on with the UST. With that I will be a happy fan :)

Again I will be a detractor on Baltar
I was totally UN impressed with his whole Head baltar. All I thought was ...oh geez haven;t we had enough with the *people in Baltar's head* already... can't the man just be whacked all on his own???

The Cylon story line was intriguing and well done. But Sci-Fi had ruined any *climactic moment* by airing the shoot out in the promos, so I knew it was coming and I never got to feel the tension that I believe the writers hoped for.

The President..meh...for once I was uninspired by this performance. Although I think Adama made a very good point that the President is sticking to HER agenda to ensure she can believe herself as the dying leader and if Kara is proven right...Laura may have to re-think herself.

Lee leaving the Galactica was a nice scene for Lee. He is the reluctant moral compass of many on that ship and they will probably be sorely lacking without him. I hope the new story for him is just as intriguing as some of the others.

Adama and Kara. THAT was my favorite parts. The scene in the cell was intense and BOTH of them were truly believable for that moment. Then in the hanger bay..... excellent performance yet again..although I really wondered about that look shared between Helo and Adama when Kara was hugging him ..mmmmm????

Overall I completely enjoyed this episode :D

Night Marshal
April 11th, 2008, 11:50 PM
While by far better than the Second half of Season 3 I think BSG can do better.
The Bad:
The biggest issue I have is Adama turn about on Starbuck. I respect its and emotional decision but it just doesn't seem right with me. There is no reason at all to trust her it seems forced. And could Mary McDonnell could bemore disinterested and bored when starbuck was going crazy at the start of episode its like there is someone pointing a gun and me but this seems like a good time just space off for a bit. You could say its "the drugs" but it looks more like actress just didn't give a rat hide end to me.

The good: Cylons fighting I think we all see where this is going some Cylon civil war or such, but this has been coming for some time so no real surprise to be honest the Cylon story has been holding my attention is this episode better than the Fleet story.
The end of Emo Lee.
Lee implying the divorce of Dee(thank goodness)
The promise of More Tom Zarek.

DigiFluid
April 11th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Am I the only one who felt like Lee and Kara's goodbye really was goodbye? Like it'll be the last time they ever see each other...

Really didn't like Head Baltar much, the scene would've worked just as well (if not better) had it been Head Six.

Felt so colossally sorry for Tory too. As a rule I really don't like her character, but that was tantamount to whoring herself out. That was very sad.

I really hope Tom Zarek shows up again before the end.

Pharaoh Atem
April 12th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Am I missing something? What was with that 8 ballet dancing topless near the beginning?

she did the same thing in season 3 when baltar was on the base ship

P-90_177
April 12th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Dude, they've been trying to develop Baltar's character for like 3 years now, now he is back where he started.

I think that's good. I mean to be honest despite all the bad things he's done I can't help but feel sorry for Baltar. So it's good to see things going well for him again.


Man i absolutely love the prospects of a cylon civil war. The way Six mercilessly slaughtered One and the others. I can't wait for more.....BSG just got a lot more interesting.........

I don't think natalie was expecting the level of brutality the centurions inflicted on the others to be honest. When they attacked she looked quite shocked.

Anyway I thought it was a great ep. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this stuff with the cylons play out esspecially now the centurions and raiders have free will. And we also got to find out that Kavil is 1 which I thought was interesting since he is the one that ardently believes they're nothing more than machines and I don't even think he believes in god like the others. He also seems the least human. The most set into his programming. I'm also looking forward to seeing how significant Boomer voting against her model was. However you can see why. Most of the 8's seem to be quite religious where as she isn't and she has all those experiences as a colonial officer unlike the others.

The stuff between Adama and Starbuck was great. A bit predictable though but that isn't neccesarily a bad thing. I think he definately came up with a good solution. Plus we get to see Helo and Starbuck working as a team again which should be awesome. Also the scenes with adama and roslin were great too. I really think the whole thing about Roslin not necesarily being the dieing leader that gets them to earth may be true in the end. But at the same time she has got them that far so who knows.

Lee leaving was so heart warming. It was an amazing moment. I know it's unlikely to happen but I'm hoping too that there'll be some great big battle at the end where he has to jump into a cockpit again with star buck on his wing. But not until right at the end.

DigiFluid
April 12th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Natalie?

P-90_177
April 12th, 2008, 02:43 AM
Natalie?

Ah sorry. Apparently this particular sixes name is natalie.

DigiFluid
April 12th, 2008, 02:51 AM
Since...when? Just curious...

P-90_177
April 12th, 2008, 03:02 AM
Since...when? Just curious...

It hasn't been mentioned in an episode it was just something I read spoiler wise.............I don't think if it's much of a spoiler. Didn't really think about it when I wrote it........If you think it is a spoiler a I humbly apologise and I'll change it for others.

AutumnDream
April 12th, 2008, 03:41 AM
It's not a spoiler, it's been publicized left and right.

Anyway, yeah... this is probably going to be one of my favorite episodes of the series. Definitely the best since Maelstrom. I don't really like the comedic tone of the two Baltars, and I dislike seeing weird hybrid stuff because it's honestly too "sci-fi" for me. I basically watch for the character drama and the philosophical/metaphysical stuff. Somehow the concept of biological robots is fine with me, but a weird woman/robot laying in a tub isn't! But this episode really delivered on the character drama, with so many beautiful scenes between pairs of my favorite characters. Man, it was so great. *weepy*

turtlesstartedit
April 12th, 2008, 04:14 AM
My take...

Starbuck is great at being so sad... I knew that the Pres had a cold, detached, calculating side to her, but it seems extreme in the case of Starbuck handing her the gun and the Pres shooting!

The scene between the Old Man and the Pres was well done and very sad. You can only get that kind of bitterness between people in a long relationship.

I loved Baltar giving the head Baltar a second look like "who are you?" I don't know what it means (though I've long suspected that he is a cylon, but I'm still not 100% convinced). Maybe head Baltar is why the 'creepy cylon' music has stopped when head 6 appears.

Note: Remember, unless they've turned off the rebirthing chambers (and by the looks of the previews, they haven't), having the toasters shoot the other cylons is only the equivalent of a spanking... not lethal.

The cylons scenes could have been better if all the cylons talked, but most (I don't recall the #s) didn't or had small parts. It felt like the producers had shot a bunch of stock footage of those actors beforehand and inserted them this week. Either it was a case of bad writing (rare in BSG) or bad producing (also rare in BSG).

Questions: What about Athena and Helo's baby? Didn't the cylons decide a long time ago that the destruction of humanity was no longer a priority (otherwised they would have nuked New Caprica), so why did they attack the fleet (and nearly destroy them) last week?

Personal Predictions: Apollo and Starbuck get together by the end of series. The fleet finds Earth, but the writers take a Chariots of the Gods approach and Earth only has primitive societies (perhaps ancient Greece). The Eye of Jupiter is literally the dark spot in Jupiter and the dark spot is a wormhole that Starbuck went through.

Oh, and the most obvious prediction: the writers leave several hanging story lines, don't answer all the questions, and leave the fans wanting MORE! (Maybe BSG (2004) will end (and taking a cue from the orignal) BSG 1980 will begin! LOL)

MB.Eddie
April 12th, 2008, 05:10 AM
Another great ep.

Loved 'head Baltar' + the cylon insurrection. Lee leaving was well done.

Pharaoh Atem
April 12th, 2008, 05:50 AM
Natalie?

it hasn't been seen on screen yet but Tricia has said her name is Natalie :)

arch317
April 12th, 2008, 06:22 AM
it hasn't been seen on screen yet but Tricia has said her name is Natalie :)

Can Tom Zarek be the final cylon?

Pharaoh Atem
April 12th, 2008, 06:29 AM
Can Tom Zarek be the final cylon?

he seems to be on top of the fans list and that list is getting smaller

somedude
April 12th, 2008, 07:14 AM
Can Tom Zarek be the final cylon?

I think that would be one character I wouldn't mind being the final cylon.

too much ozone
April 12th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Personal Predictions: Apollo and Starbuck get together by the end of series. The fleet finds Earth, but the writers take a Chariots of the Gods approach and Earth only has primitive societies (perhaps ancient Greece). The Eye of Jupiter is literally the dark spot in Jupiter and the dark spot is a wormhole that Starbuck went through.



I think when they find earth, it will be a technological society. My only reasoning for that is at the end of last season, there was a shot of earth, and in the dark parts of the planet you could see lights from the cities.

anotherquestion
April 12th, 2008, 08:56 AM
I dislike seeing weird hybrid stuff because it's honestly too "sci-fi" for me. I basically watch for the character drama and the philosophical/metaphysical stuff. Somehow the concept of biological robots is fine with me, but a weird woman/robot laying in a tub isn't!

But what the hybrid said was such a lot of grist to mill in this episode. "They won't kill their own" was repeated many times. The only way that makes sense, to me, is to imply some kind of "solidarity" between the final five and the the Raiders/Centurions which played out later in the episode. It seems that the series is taking a decidedly Marxist turn in the direction of a "class struggle" between the "working class" Cylons--the Centurions and the Raiders, and a subset of the skinjobs (the "Cavils", "Dorals", and "Simons" all the "right-brained alpha males" by the way).

Don't you think it is interesting the the only way the Cavils appear to be able to impose societal order among the Cylons is to "dumb down" and oppress dissenters--boxing the Deanna models, removing the higher brain functions from the Centurions, lobotomizing the Raiders. Who's to say they haven't performed similar neuro-adjustments on the hybrids and the organic Basestars themselves?

Clearly the Cavil models are the authoritarian, paternal, and reactionary elements in the mix, bent on the destruction of the Colonials, giving only lip service to whatever the Cylons call the divine, and often giving way to their own seductive tendencies--Ellen Tigh on Caprica, for example, and, quite possibly, the nude Boomer being ogled by Cavil in this episode (perhaps that's why she came to break the tie among the voting Cylons). The attitude of the principal Cavil betokens an arrogance, hypocrisy, and susceptibility to weakness similar to the recent Eliot Spitzer controversy, among others. The Cylon plan alluded to in the opening quotations for every season except this one, appeared to be the Cavil plan, the elimination of the Colonials. Now some other plan is playing out, one larger, and, assumably, more "predestined".

With the Simon models as their medical "arm" the Cavils have managed to "mentally castrate" any opposing thoughts or voices. They are the very model of a modern totalitarian (although their tools are surgical, rather than control of mass media, education, and other means of transferring an oppressive culture from one generation to the next).

If the main voice of opposition is, in fact, a reincarnation of the Natalie model tortured on Pegasus, it would be an exquisite irony. The one skinjob that had arguably suffered the most at the hands of an oppressive Colonial captivity, had managed to lead a counter revolution that spares the people that had damaged her the most. Kind of a Nelson Mandela moment.

It would also answer some specific questions. Natalie would have had to have been at least a light year away from a Resurrection Ship, since that's how long the nuclear blast took to alert the Cylons to the presence of New Caprica.

Other questions remain open and very intriguing: who saved Starbuck and rebuilt her Viper? Why are the Raiders and final five so "attuned" to one another? Would a Centurion, like the Raiders, be able to recognize one of the "final five"? If so, that would explain why Dualla alone survived the boarding party earlier in the series (assuming she is the last of the five). Or are the final five recognizable only after they have been "activated"? If so, what agent does the "activation"? Now that the Centurions can "think" again, will it be long before we hear a "by your command"?

Pharaoh Atem
April 12th, 2008, 09:00 AM
i think it's offical i'm always going to cry during the lee departing galactica moment.

i re watched the scene ......so wonderful ....

Lady Snow
April 12th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Can Tom Zarek be the final cylon?

Sure.

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Alright, I've had a night to ponder the episode, and so I present...

Lady Snow's List of Things that Made her Scream

1. Adama to Roslin: "You're afraid you're not the dying leader." Oh, frak yes. She totally is. And it's about time someone said that. Laura can sit there and list off her "miracles" - and no one's every questioned her on them before. No one's ever mentioned that not only has the entire fleet bought into her myth, she believes in herself more than anyone else (even - and perhaps especially - Bill). Maybe I'm supposed to be feeling this doubt in Laura (and if so, kudos to the writers), but with the reemergence of Kara, but what if Laura's leading them down the wrong (or just obscenely long) path to Earth? Like Kara said, everyone trusted her on far less than developed film... what if they were wrong?

(And wouldn't that mean Kara's dying?)

2. Lee to Kara: "I believe you." That was very very touching, but what I thought was ultimately more important was the dialogue immediately preceding the moment that made shippers' hearts go 'SQUEE' - a) Tom Zarek got Lee into government, putting him in (what I assume will be) Baltar's now-vacant Caprica seat on the Quorum, and b) Lee understands the concept of destiny. Regarding a: That's awesome. Team Apollo exists, and I called it! *happy dances* I am very excited to see what happens with this unholy alliance, because it's Tom frakking Zarek. The Lords know he runs half the fleet anyway, even with Lee chomping at his heels. :) Regarding b: I don't know how I feel about the Lee/Kara romantic relationship, but I've been a huge fan of their friendship and deep-rooted non-romantic love for each other since the beginning. Their conversation epitomized that. It felt like a mutual absolution of any guilt or lingering doubts that their destinies were the wrong thing to do, and it was pretty much perfect. They're okay, because there is at least one other person alive who understands them - and, more importantly, accepts them. That look of relief/gratitude/love/joy on Kara's face says it all, far better than I could.

3. Baltar to Head!Baltar: "Oh my giddy aunt." I mentioned this here before, but it bears repeating. This was fun, but extraordinarily random. This felt like a regression to the bumbling sex-driven Baltar from early S1, which begs the question of whether he really has grown as a character at all since then or not. He is, at his base (all of which are belong to Six [sorry, I had to]), a self-serving, conniving little man, and I suppose I figured he'd grown into other ways of serving his own interests. Is it that he's living in a lush place that has a female populace who literally worships him that's caused him to become Mr. Sex-a-Lot again? Does Head!Baltar represent the human drives in him? It was just a bit... bizarre.

4. Natalie to Cavil: "We want you to stop lobotomizing the Raiders." They made the Centurions self-aware. They made the frakking Centurions self-aware. Holy crap. The ramifications of this are huge for the Cylon fleet. I do wonder, though... "The Raiders hear what we hear," said Natalie. Okay, but what does that mean? Is that a function of their resurrections? Do all the organic Cylons have this subconscious processing level where they, well, get messages from God? Obviously they believe the Hybrids do, as they "vomit metaphysics," but the Raiders too? We saw the first vestiges of Raider self-awareness in "Scar," I believe, when Athena called them glorified dogs. Let's say that the organic-based Cylons do hear this stream of thoughts - where does that leave the Centurions? They're self-aware now, and apparently they feel a close affinity to the Raiders, but they're not organic - do they hear this stream? Just how tied into the collective consciousness are they? I truly hope they don't drop the ball on this, because it has enormous amounts of potential.

(Also, the vote turned out exactly the way we predicted: The Simons and Dorals followed Cavil, and the Leobens and most of the Eights followed the Sixes. Ooh, here's another nugget to chew on: Boomer. Voting against her number because she's sleeping with Cavil? A) GROSS! B) I guess we've found our new serial contrarian...)

I don't want this post to take forever, so I'll leave my list o' points there for now. I do, however, want to ask one last burning question:


Just how bad is Hot Dog at Strip Triad? ;)

LoneStar1836
April 12th, 2008, 09:27 AM
This episode was better after the second viewing. Wasn't really loving it the first time...maybe because I missed hearing some of the dialogue as well as there being a lot going on.

Great character interactions in this one. Some of them were tear worthy and difficult to watch. :(

Adama being a mean drunk. Ouch. That hurt hearing him say those things. It's going to be a tearjerker when Roslin does die. :( (I don't see how the show can avoid that fate for her, and I actually want her to die.)

Lee moving on. Tough to accept, but I hope the writers have some good stuff planned for him on his new path.


Though I must say that I hope Baltar frakking someone in every episode is not going to become a trend. :mckay: Right now, his story is my least favorite. Now I guess I see why there had to be a female final five....


I wonder if Baltar is picking up headBaltar through Caprica's projections...like Roslin was being drawn into them last season. There has to be some kind of explanation for them though I'm not sure that the writers will ever give one.


Hmm.... I wonder if the Chromdomes don't rebel altogether and even turn on Six and company eventually. All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again....

So I guess Caval and crew will not be boxed? They'll just be held at gun point until they see the light? Six could save herself the trouble of a civil war if she did that, but she doesn't seem like the boxing type, unlike Caval who would probably box all dissenters if he could. He may be wishing he had thought of that sooner. So how soon till we see Three again?

LoneStar1836
April 12th, 2008, 09:55 AM
Alright, I've had a night to ponder the episode, and so I present...

Lady Snow's List of Things that Made her Scream

1. Adama to Roslin: "You're afraid you're not the dying leader." Oh, frak yes. She totally is. And it's about time someone said that. Laura can sit there and list off her "miracles" - and no one's every questioned her on them before. No one's ever mentioned that not only has the entire fleet bought into her myth, she believes in herself more than anyone else (even - and perhaps especially - Bill). Maybe I'm supposed to be feeling this doubt in Laura (and if so, kudos to the writers), but with the reemergence of Kara, but what if Laura's leading them down the wrong (or just obscenely long) path to Earth? Like Kara said, everyone trusted her on far less than developed film... what if they were wrong?I think we are definitely supposed to be feeling that doubt, but I still believe she is the dying leader if the scriptures are true. They have played her up to be the dying leader since the beginning, and I don't think the writers are ready to dismiss that yet.

Starbuck may know which is the final exit to take on their journey to earth, but Roslin did get them started in that direction. I guess we will have to wait and see how the whole Starbuck story plays out. I'm not ready to accept that she actually died and was resurrected. I'm not sure RDM and co. are ready to take that kind of leap into the spiritual.




2. Lee to Kara: "I believe you." That was very very touching, but what I thought was ultimately more important was the dialogue immediately preceding the moment that made shippers' hearts go 'SQUEE' - a) Tom Zarek got Lee into government, putting him in (what I assume will be) Baltar's now-vacant Caprica seat on the Quorum, and b) Lee understands the concept of destiny. Regarding a: That's awesome. Team Apollo exists, and I called it! *happy dances* I am very excited to see what happens with this unholy alliance, because it's Tom frakking Zarek. The Lords know he runs half the fleet anyway, even with Lee chomping at his heels. :) Regarding b: I don't know how I feel about the Lee/Kara romantic relationship, but I've been a huge fan of their friendship and deep-rooted non-romantic love for each other since the beginning. Their conversation epitomized that. It felt like a mutual absolution of any guilt or lingering doubts that their destinies were the wrong thing to do, and it was pretty much perfect. They're okay, because there is at least one other person alive who understands them - and, more importantly, accepts them. That look of relief/gratitude/love/joy on Kara's face says it all, far better than I could.Nicely said.

I've always been more in the camp of K/L friendship as well.

That was an interesting scene and of course one of my favorites in the ep.

Zarek and Apollo together again. Since Lee seems to be on the outs with Roslin (notice that she didn't hang around when Lee was leaving Galactica), this will be interesting.



I don't want this post to take forever, so I'll leave my list o' points there for now. I do, however, want to ask one last burning question:


Just how bad is Hot Dog at Strip Triad? ;)Apparently pretty bad. :D

Legionnaire
April 12th, 2008, 10:09 AM
I am also happy Lee and Zarek are going to be more involved with each other and that we will be seeing more of Tom. I didn't ever really see Lee going this way, which looking back on it is pretty silly because it makes a lot of sense, I just figured he'd always have to wear the uniform because they need everyone they can get. However, theres always been a special relationship between Tom and Lee since season one and it's nice to see that be capitalized on.

Jumper_One
April 12th, 2008, 10:21 AM
well this was certainly interesting. Lee leaving Galactica, Kara going crazy (sorta) and leaving too, a very honest talk between the Admiral and Roslin, Baltar having sex with Tory. did I forget something? oh yeah what's up with the Cylons? looking forward to the next ep

daniel9
April 12th, 2008, 10:25 AM
lol is it me or is the cancer progressing with rosslin? i think she lost a fewstrands of hair when she was brushing her hand thru it after the talk with adama. hm i wonder if that attack on baltar's necklast week is making him go back to the accent of that planet he was born in?

Trek_Girl42
April 12th, 2008, 10:56 AM
Sure.

---

Alright, I've had a night to ponder the episode, and so I present...

Lady Snow's List of Things that Made her Scream

1. Adama to Roslin: "You're afraid you're not the dying leader." Oh, frak yes. She totally is. And it's about time someone said that. Laura can sit there and list off her "miracles" - and no one's every questioned her on them before. No one's ever mentioned that not only has the entire fleet bought into her myth, she believes in herself more than anyone else (even - and perhaps especially - Bill). Maybe I'm supposed to be feeling this doubt in Laura (and if so, kudos to the writers), but with the reemergence of Kara, but what if Laura's leading them down the wrong (or just obscenely long) path to Earth? Like Kara said, everyone trusted her on far less than developed film... what if they were wrong?

(And wouldn't that mean Kara's dying?)I'm glad this has been brought up in the show now- as it has been long-discussed by fans. I also loved the bit where she called him "Admiral Athiest". :P

2. Lee to Kara: "I believe you." That was very very touching, but what I thought was ultimately more important was the dialogue immediately preceding the moment that made shippers' hearts go 'SQUEE' - a) Tom Zarek got Lee into government, putting him in (what I assume will be) Baltar's now-vacant Caprica seat on the Quorum, and b) Lee understands the concept of destiny. Regarding a: That's awesome. Team Apollo exists, and I called it! *happy dances* I am very excited to see what happens with this unholy alliance, because it's Tom frakking Zarek. The Lords know he runs half the fleet anyway, even with Lee chomping at his heels. :) Regarding b: I don't know how I feel about the Lee/Kara romantic relationship, but I've been a huge fan of their friendship and deep-rooted non-romantic love for each other since the beginning. Their conversation epitomized that. It felt like a mutual absolution of any guilt or lingering doubts that their destinies were the wrong thing to do, and it was pretty much perfect. They're okay, because there is at least one other person alive who understands them - and, more importantly, accepts them. That look of relief/gratitude/love/joy on Kara's face says it all, far better than I could.The thing about Kara and Lee, is that I want them to be okay with each other- whatever their relationship is/isn't/becomes, I just want to see them okay with each other in the end before one of them dies, or the show ends, or whatever happens. Which is why I really liked their scene in this week's ep. The nature of their relationship isn't so important as the fact that they have one at all.

3. Baltar to Head!Baltar: "Oh my giddy aunt." I mentioned this here before, but it bears repeating. This was fun, but extraordinarily random. This felt like a regression to the bumbling sex-driven Baltar from early S1, which begs the question of whether he really has grown as a character at all since then or not. He is, at his base (all of which are belong to Six [sorry, I had to]), a self-serving, conniving little man, and I suppose I figured he'd grown into other ways of serving his own interests. Is it that he's living in a lush place that has a female populace who literally worships him that's caused him to become Mr. Sex-a-Lot again? Does Head!Baltar represent the human drives in him? It was just a bit... bizarre.Head Baltar is.....my only complaint is that it looked as though they were trying to figure out how to shoot head!Baltar scenes in this ep so the filming itself was a little awkward- but I think they'll have that figured out for next time. Otherwise head!Baltar is awesome. Baltar finally has someone to cheer him on in his conquests..... :rolleyes: :P

Anyway, Baltar better take some time off from enjoying his female company next ep. On the bright.....er, not so bright side, he is getting a very enthusiastic head start on re-populating the human race for when they get to Earth. ;) :S

4. Natalie to Cavil: "We want you to stop lobotomizing the Raiders." They made the Centurions self-aware. They made the frakking Centurions self-aware. Holy crap. The ramifications of this are huge for the Cylon fleet. I do wonder, though... "The Raiders hear what we hear," said Natalie. Okay, but what does that mean? Is that a function of their resurrections? Do all the organic Cylons have this subconscious processing level where they, well, get messages from God? Obviously they believe the Hybrids do, as they "vomit metaphysics," but the Raiders too? We saw the first vestiges of Raider self-awareness in "Scar," I believe, when Athena called them glorified dogs. Let's say that the organic-based Cylons do hear this stream of thoughts - where does that leave the Centurions? They're self-aware now, and apparently they feel a close affinity to the Raiders, but they're not organic - do they hear this stream? Just how tied into the collective consciousness are they? I truly hope they don't drop the ball on this, because it has enormous amounts of potential.

(Also, the vote turned out exactly the way we predicted: The Simons and Dorals followed Cavil, and the Leobens and most of the Eights followed the Sixes. Ooh, here's another nugget to chew on: Boomer. Voting against her number because she's sleeping with Cavil? A) GROSS! B) I guess we've found our new serial contrarian...)

I don't want this post to take forever, so I'll leave my list o' points there for now. I do, however, want to ask one last burning question:


Just how bad is Hot Dog at Strip Triad? ;)
Boomer slept with CAVIL? Where was that stated/implied? :confused:

And, to borrow a word, that is just GROSS.....

Great character interactions in this one. Some of them were tear worthy and difficult to watch. :(

Adama being a mean drunk. Ouch. That hurt hearing him say those things. It's going to be a tearjerker when Roslin does die. :( (I don't see how the show can avoid that fate for her, and I actually want her to die.)
The writers are going to try and make us cry every week..... :S But this week, really did feel like the beginning of the end, with all those sad little moments. We can just feel the ending coming now, in the story.

Roslin has been my favourite character from the start, but I want her to die before the end too. As hard as it'll be to face, it'll bring her story to completion and meaning. And yes, the tears will flow. Excessively. If pulling out a just a little hair can get eye-watering..... :S

Lee moving on. Tough to accept, but I hope the writers have some good stuff planned for him on his new path.I can't wait to see what direction the writers take Lee in- I love the change, Lee never intended to stay military, and this looks very promising for his character. :D

anotherquestion
April 12th, 2008, 11:18 AM
I can't wait to see what direction the writers take Lee in- I love the change, Lee never intended to stay military, and this looks very promising for his character. :D

It looks very ominous to me. Isn't Lee in the Judas position in "The Last Supper" photo montage?

Jeffala
April 12th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Boomer slept with CAVIL? Where was that stated/implied? :confused:

And, to borrow a word, that is just GROSS.....

Natalie tells Cavil that he's "influenced" Boomer. I made a joke about them sleeping together above because of one of the Eight's dancing topless in front of one of him at the beginning of the episode. I guess they could be sleeping together but it'd be a hell of a step down from Chief Tyrol.




(Also, the vote turned out exactly the way we predicted: The Simons and Dorals followed Cavil, and the Leobens and most of the Eights followed the Sixes. Ooh, here's another nugget to chew on: Boomer. Voting against her number because she's sleeping with Cavil? A) GROSS! B) I guess we've found our new serial contrarian...)

I wonder if the other Eights could get together and vote to box her or if it takes a vote of all of the models to box just a unit as opposed to an entire model.

rufus789
April 12th, 2008, 01:21 PM
So one thing thats always bothered me is the idea of the dieing leader. Who says it has to be Roslin? True she is in the process of dieing but couldn't it also imply that they lead the way in the moment of their death? This leaves things slightly open but wouldn't that open up the part for Baltar, completing his Messianic figure, or some other character? This makes me rethink a lot of what we've been assuming in the series up to this point.

Anyway, thats one thing I've been wondering, now i'm going to contradict myself on the Baltar part by noticing two things, one that RM said that anybody in that last supper picture isn't a cylon, so that rules out Roslin, both Adamas, Starbuck, Helo and Baltar.

The last thing is that in Crossrodes when Roslin has the headache similar to Starbucks, its delayed, not automatic. It actually seems to be in response to the cylong computer virus more than anything else. It just makes me thing that anybody who has had some sort of close personal interaction with cylons will be affected by them. I definetly think theres "something else going on" with Head Six and the Head Baltars, as well as Roslin's preminitions throughout the series.

theschmoo
April 12th, 2008, 01:52 PM
The thing about Kara and Lee, is that I want them to be okay with each other- whatever their relationship is/isn't/becomes, I just want to see them okay with each other in the end before one of them dies, or the show ends, or whatever happens. Which is why I really liked their scene in this week's ep. The nature of their relationship isn't so important as the fact that they have one at all.

I can't wait to see what direction the writers take Lee in- I love the change, Lee never intended to stay military, and this looks very promising for his character. :D

RE: Kara/Lee, you must be reading my mind, that's exactly how I feel about them :)

As for Lee joining the Quorum, I'm going on the belief that it's part of his destiny to defend Kara once she returns after having found Earth [or the path to Earth].

AutumnDream
April 12th, 2008, 01:58 PM
It looks very ominous to me. Isn't Lee in the Judas position in "The Last Supper" photo montage?

No, Kara is... sorta. Nobody really is because the picture is set up differently.

AeronPrometheus
April 12th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Tigh is still overcompensating for the possibility that he might turn on the fleet at any moment... to the point where he's telling others to be overly cautious; "And for Gods' sake, don't shoot the frakkin' president!". Yeah, it sounds like good advice but were they really planning on busting in there with safeties off? They didn't even do that AFTER they heard gunfire.

I like how the 1s, or at least that particular 1, has assumed command of the skinjobs. Maybe he thinks he's better cause he's number 1. Or because he has his own, personal 8 ^_^.

I agree to the consensus of: GROSS!

I also have to say that Grace is the hottest thing I've ever seen powered by white rice. Sorry Racetrack, you're just too Caucasian for me.

"Oh my giddy-od" is the funniest thing I've ever heard Baltar say, even he was thinking 'enough is enough'. But their banter was golden. It's sad though that Balter still can't put two and two together without talking to someone that isn't there. I also find it amusing how he's now the nerdy kid that gets picked on by the rest of the school. "What did you say to me?" "...I said excuse me.".

Now that I got the details out of the way...

I loved the opening scene. Did Roselin shoot the portrait on purpose and lie about it or did she really miss, half-asleep and in the dark? If it was an accident I'd really want to see that picture come back and bite her in the ass. She's gone from being stubborn to arrogant, and almost brought Adama with her. They make a cute couple but she's no longer thinking about the fleet or else she would have thought of the loosed ship idea first. Adama is right, she's scared of being just another survivor waiting to die and it's as if that realization is causing a self-destructive pattern. Which would not be a good thing for the leader of the remainder of the Colonies.

The send off for Lee was beautiful, I'm so glad they brought the old Colonial music back. The first greatest episode of the series in my mind was The Hand of God, brought to a close with the Colonial anthem. Lee and Dee mutually parting ways, "I guess you got the house" was such a cheesy line but I liked it anyways. At least they both respect each other. It'll also be good to see Zarek again, such an underplayed character.

Say what you will everyone, but Lee and Kara have been the best match since the series started. They have such an intertwined history together and they love each other just as much as they hate each other. Despite all their differences and disagreements they can't help but be gravitated towards each other in times of need. To me, that's the perfect definition of compassion towards another person.

...Now whether or not they both live till the end of the series...

Oh, Adama. Who can peg you? Such a display of emotion despite being "bottled up" as Roselin so accurately put it. He was as angry at himself as he was with Kara when he threw her to the ground. Those words cut hard, and they were right on the money. It took a few shots of some vintage, but he finally saw it, in her, in him. Wait 'till the wife finds out. :P

It was so good to see 6 level the deck, the best part was she didn't tell them to kill the "Cylon board or directors" they did that of their newfound free will. Wonder what's going to happen to traitor 8/Boomer? I have a personal hope she makes it long enough to see Tyrol again... Just imagine. Seems like a "little bit of history repeatin'".

Speaking of 8, they're really cutting Athena some slack lately huh? Did we forget she an airport security nightmare?

Frakkin' A.

wilsan
April 12th, 2008, 03:46 PM
You know, when they said there was going to be lots of supprises, they weren't kidding. It has only been the second ep. and there already turning everything on it's head. I'm not sure if it was the one six, or if it was all of the sixes decision to remove the inhibitors. This will get interesting to see what happens seeing how the sentries have free will.

ToasterOnFire
April 12th, 2008, 04:20 PM
So the title is apparently from the phrase "Six of one, half dozen of the other", or describing two things that are really the same or equal. What specifically do you think they were referencing in the ep?

SoulReaver
April 12th, 2008, 05:26 PM
So the title is apparently from the phrase "Six of one, half dozen of the other", or describing two things that are really the same or equal. What specifically do you think they were referencing in the ep?in the sense that humans, cylons, same thing (conscious ie. living self-aware beings)

or maybe the allusion to that idiom was a superficial one, because it sounded nice -
and the episode did focus on a #6


could also be an even more superficial reference - to Seven of Nine of the ST-verse ? :sheppardanime21:

SoulReaver
April 12th, 2008, 05:35 PM
btw I doubt Natalie could be Gina resurrected (ohterwise, why the name change ?)


also if Baltar's holo-double really was the same head-Baltar we know (apparently it was) then it's safe to say that those "virtual copies" are separate, sentient beings and not mere manifestations of their corporeal counterparts' subconscious or whatever (thank the gods for that -)

Lady Snow
April 12th, 2008, 05:40 PM
So the title is apparently from the phrase "Six of one, half dozen of the other", or describing two things that are really the same or equal. What specifically do you think they were referencing in the ep?

I figured it was the six human-form Cylons on the basestars, as I'm pretty sure it's their decisions that are going to be more influential in the long run.

I could also be entirely wrong. :)

anotherquestion
April 12th, 2008, 05:56 PM
So the title is apparently from the phrase "Six of one, half dozen of the other", or describing two things that are really the same or equal. What specifically do you think they were referencing in the ep?


Literal - The episode centered around the conflict between the Six model and the One model
The Six model Split from the One Cylon collective and rounded up the other Centurion Cylons to foment a revolution.
There are now Six extant Skinjobs; leaving a half dozen of the others (The Final Five and the Boxed Deanna model).

Julie
April 12th, 2008, 06:18 PM
anyone that didn't tear up during the lee departing scene has no soul ....quite possible the best thing their every done on the series

Trek_Girl42
April 12th, 2008, 06:31 PM
anyone that didn't tear up during the lee departing scene has no soul ....quite possible the best thing their every done on the series
No one has mentioned the good-bye party scene (aside to comment on Racetrack's hotness), so I'm going to mention that I got teary there as well, and the whole drinking back the shots and the toasting was wonderful. I felt like holding up my own glass and toasting Battlestar Galactica.

Julie
April 12th, 2008, 06:35 PM
No one has mentioned the good-bye party scene (aside to comment on Racetrack's hotness), so I'm going to mention that I got teary there as well, and the whole drinking back the shots and the toasting was wonderful. I felt like holding up my own glass and toasting Battlestar Galactica.

now see i thought that was a funny scene ..... the only part that got me was lee getting chocked up when he said "husbands and wives

i think he realized what he lost with dee

JackBurton
April 12th, 2008, 07:31 PM
?? I have a question....so if Boomer is hooking up with Cavil -Would he ask for the "swirl"?

ToasterOnFire
April 12th, 2008, 07:46 PM
anyone that didn't tear up during the lee departing scene has no soul ....quite possible the best thing their every done on the series
Actually, I thought it was somewhat maudlin. It got to the point that I wondered if Lee was leaving the series because the send-off was so long. Everyone in the military was happy that the CAG was leaving their ranks while the war was still raging? Really? Dee gave him a hug in front of everyone even though he ruined their marriage? Really? Meh, it didn't ring true for me.

dec55
April 12th, 2008, 08:00 PM
I think the real big news of this eppy is that Boomer is truly a individual....
She has broken the barrier that shocked all the Organic cylons. The Hardware
Cylons are following this pattern also.

I wouldn't be surprised that she goes for Imperious leader....since she is the
first to go against her sisters and think for herself. She has been hardcore Cylon
ever since she saw Athena and her baby. She is still a hero in the Cylon empire.
Cavil and the others most likely will support her.


Oh yeah.... babe Boomer in hot pants doing the ballet was just eye candy..:D

Night Marshal
April 12th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Actually, I thought it was somewhat maudlin. It got to the point that I wondered if Lee was leaving the series because the send-off was so long. Everyone in the military was happy that the CAG was leaving their ranks while the war was still raging? Really? Dee gave him a hug in front of everyone even though he ruined their marriage? Really? Meh, it didn't ring true for me.

Thats what I thought too, and when you think about that Crappy union episode from last season where they made such a big deal about how unhappy people are with there lives its hard to believe the send off would have been that warm. The Scene also felt like the episode was short and they need to stretch it. Letting shots go on longer than normal 2 different going away ceremonies. And the music that has a sad Irish overtone to it was the only thing that made me sad Lee the CAG has been one of the worst characters on the show its when Lee shows other colors that he is the most likable for me. I look forward to the New Lee and have no regrets about losing the old one.

daniel9
April 12th, 2008, 08:27 PM
No one has mentioned the good-bye party scene (aside to comment on Racetrack's hotness),
i did

Julie
April 12th, 2008, 08:44 PM
see me i love lee ( as a character) and felt that the send off was wondeful and fiot the series very well.

in the ep "dirty hands" like it was brought up before people do now have the option to move to different jobs if they feel like it and leee did resign from the military so he has no obligation to stay

Platschu
April 12th, 2008, 11:06 PM
What will the Cylon's next move be? Can Natalie (the new Six) create a truce with the humans? Or will the Centurions kill every skinjob to reach their own freedom?

Dusk
April 13th, 2008, 04:51 AM
The more I see Roslin fall deeper into the clutches of her illness, the more I worry that the writers will simply let her slip away to death, and it will all be pointless! There had better be some bigger plan for the President, or I will get angry.

Space Park is under repairs. Wooo! It's the little things we see that makes me praise Zoic more and more for their amazing visual effects sequences.

I am happy that Kara being locked in a cage wasn't dragged out for too long, as we've already had that plot with Roslin in season two.

Lee leaving was no big moment for me really, but now I understand what Jamie Bamber meant when he kept saying in interviews that he was sad his character was doing certain things for the last time.

Once again, scenes with Baltar tend to be mediocre, but certainly new interest begins to glimmer in the appearance of Head Baltar.

Ultimately, I am glad that we are back to regular installments of the show. But I can only say now that once we hit the middle season mark and there begins a long hiatus, I will likely go completely mad.

;)

Julie
April 13th, 2008, 07:12 AM
did anyone notice that lee was still wearing his wedding band .....when he was departing ..

like father like son

Pic
April 13th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Baltar:
The Baltar storyline still falls flat with me, even adding head/Baltar, although that's an interesting twist. Him gettin' sexed-up yet again just bores me and is rather annoying. Is that supposed to be the point?

Tory:
Well, if you found out you were a cylon, how much self-respect would you still have? Might as well frak the guy b/c who cares? Poor thing...

Dying leader:
Roslin? Adama? Kara? Lee? We don't really know who the dying leader really is. It could be Zarek for all we know. The identity of the dying leader is as interesting to me as the identity of the final cylon.

Final Cylon:
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if it turned out to be the same person as the dying leader?

Lee/Kara:
Their cell scene seemed like closure. Someone else mentioned that it seemed like they might not see each other again -- hmmm.. I hope not, but if so then at least they parted on good terms.

Boomer/Cavil:
Eewww.

Adama/Roslin:
Yes, the bickering of an old married couple. The fact that Adama sent Starbuck out to find earth is a good compromise. After all, he does say to Starbuck that the president hasn't been wrong (or something to that effect). I hope the bullet between them in the early scene isn't foreshadowing anything other than their disagreement within this episode about Starbuck. I would not like to see their relationship torn apart, but I'm afraid TPTB would probably do that just to shake things up.

Cylon Civil War:
WTFrak?? Yup, when people/things start thinking for themselves, all holy hell breaks out.

I am so looking forward to the next episode.

Oh, and racetrack isn't bad. Not bad at all. Much better than seeing Baltar (yet again) - who has never done anything for me. Since Lee's not going to be in and out of Galactica showers anytime soon, suppose it's too much to hope for another towel scene...

dec55
April 13th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Since Tori has had sex with Baltar....can we expect a baby from this union as well...? :lol

dec55
April 13th, 2008, 05:06 PM
What will the Cylon's next move be? Can Natalie (the new Six) create a truce with the humans? Or will the Centurions kill every skinjob to reach their own freedom?

The Centurions most likely will want to become human as well....so I see all
the Hardware Cylons becoming 2's 6's and 8's.

Skydiver
April 13th, 2008, 06:07 PM
i wonder, there's a saying 'six one way, half a dozen the other', which is a way of saying 'i don't care' or 'whatever you want'

i wonder if the episode title refers to the cylons being split, six pro human, six pro cylon

Agent_Dark
April 14th, 2008, 12:16 AM
So the title is apparently from the phrase "Six of one, half dozen of the other", or describing two things that are really the same or equal. What specifically do you think they were referencing in the ep?

To add to the other's posted above:

Roslin says that her visions and prophecies are the way to find Earth. Starbuck says she's been there and that Roslin is leading the fleet the wrong way. How does Adama choose between drug induced visions and the almost psychotic rantings of someone who has returned from the dead? Does it even matter who's right; destiny is pre-determined? It's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Agent_Dark
April 14th, 2008, 12:19 AM
i wonder, there's a saying 'six one way, half a dozen the other', which is a way of saying 'i don't care' or 'whatever you want'

err, no. The saying points out two things that are referred to differently, but are actually the same thing. Take it literally; 12 is a 'dozen', so 'half-a-dozen' is 6. Different way of saying the same thing.

Wyrminarrd
April 14th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Good episode on the whole.

I´ve personally never understood why they didn´t just give Starbuck a Raptor to find Earth with... That would have solved everything and only risked one raptor and maybe 2-3 other people who went with her.

Head Balthar, having him show up makes me believe that the visions Gaius has been seeing are from an outside source and that once Gaius started messing with one the precious ones of the Cylon god that God felt it needed to warn Balthar in a more noticable way then using Six.

Lee leaving Galactica I feelt was over done, I just can´t believe that military people like that would celebrate when a talented individual choses to leave when the need for qualified pilots is so great. I for one would propably see it as a betrayal but then I suppose everyone on that ship is sick to death of all the angst between the Adamas and are just glad to be rid of one of them :p

The Cylon civil war was a nice twist, I definitly think that Six has opened pandors box there. It would be totally in character for the Centurions to rebel and turn on all the skin jobs. By the way, will the ones that were gunned down be resurrected or do you think Six had already taken steps to prevent that?

SoulReaver
April 14th, 2008, 02:24 AM
anyone that didn't tear up during the lee departing scene has no soul ....quite possible the best thing their every done on the seriesyeah man that was tear-jerking, knowing we'll never be seeing him again - this is indeed a loss that cannot be weighed, and his death will no doubt leave a void in our hearts for the rest of the story to come :(

Arative
April 14th, 2008, 01:34 PM
I did love to see Sebastian Spence back in the show. I really hope they use him more, I really liked him in First wave. Maybe that is who they will get to replace Lee as the new kick butt viper pilot.

entil2001
April 14th, 2008, 03:48 PM
At the end of the second season, I was personally disappointed in the episode “Downloaded”, because it represented a moment of transition for the Cylons without the necessary context. Caprica Six and Boomer decided to change the Cylon philosophy towards Humanity, and this was depicted as a deviation from The Plan. Unfortunately, The Plan was shrouded in mystery, so it was hard to recognize the extent and depth of what was coming.

This episode has a similar shift, but the writers took the time in previous episodes to set the stage for the schism. Everything since New Caprica has been prologue to the revelation of the “Final Five” and the effect on the Cylon as a whole. The boxing of the Threes permits stalemate. The current Six revolution (led by “Natalie”) is most interesting because it facilitates the transformation of Cylon culture.

It suggests, very strongly, that the Raiders and Centurions were operating under complete programming restraint to follow the will of the seven known humaniform models. After all, previously, those seven models were essentially in lockstep. Now, the emergence of the Final Five could have triggered the Raiders towards free will, and now the Centurions have been given the same. They want to understand their origins as well.

This again plays into the idea of a possible ancient origin to the Cylon within certain Human genetic bloodlines, supporting the “cyclic mergence” theory. It’s known that the humaniform Cylons can breed, so odds are good that the children can breed. The Cylons of the First Cylon War were all robotic. Why, then, would they designate twelve models above and apart from the robotic and cyborg types? Why would seven of them be aware of each other, but the other five not be? Is it possible that the Cylons only created seven models, but were programmed to know that five others existed somewhere else?

That said, Cavil’s decision to break the deadlock with Boomer shouldn’t have led so directly to the decision by Natalie to start a revolution. She never presented a firm challenge to Boomer’s right to a vote. After all, if Cavil began with the precedence of it, Natalie could have easily demanded that all versions of every model should be given an equal voice. Or she could have demanded that Boomer’s right to vote independently be justified or debated. Whatever the case, it seemed more like a plot convenience than a logical progression.

Back on Galactica, the story is less active. Lee officially departs to his new job as a member of the Quorum of Twelve. This positions him rather well to be Roslin’s potential successor, since her health continues to decline. Given his early association with her, this would be fitting. In contrast to the obvious conclusion that Kara Thrace is a Cylon, this change in Lee’s status makes him the perfect candidate. If nothing else, it would certainly make his comment about Zak in the premiere a case of clever foreshadowing. It would also put him in the perfect position to facilitate a Human/Cylon accord.

All that said, his departure felt interminable. No less than three scenes covered the necessary emotional requirements. Everything was taken care of in the final scene, rendering the scenes in the rec room and the ready room a bit moot. It felt like the writers needed something to fill the time, and they pushed for sentimentality. (The time might have been better spent on Racetrack and her game of Strip Triad; Leah Cairns in civvies would be more than worth it!)

Despite the rift that it threatens to create between Adama and Roslin, there was little question that Adama would ultimately throw his support behind Kara’s claims regarding Earth. Not full support, of course, because that would be incredibly foolish, but enough to get the job done. I suspect that this will eventually put her in contact with Cylons of similar vision, though that is obviously nothing but speculation.

The final item of significance is Baltar’s new relationship with Tory. It begins as subterfuge, but I suspect it will turn into a significant plot point. The writers again went with over-convenience by giving Baltar just the right metaphor to use with Tory, but the presence of Head!Baltar made up for some of the disappointment. Is that Head!Six messing with Baltar’s mind, or has his own subconscious manifested in a new and disturbing form?

The end result is an episode that is a bit slower than the premiere, and given that it was essentially the resolution of a cliffhanger, it felt like something was missing. The potential for a true Cylon civil war has potential, but the events on Galactica could have been equally explosive. Instead, they were more of an emotional counterpoint, and that may not have been enough.

John Keegan
Reprinted with permission
Original source: c. Critical Myth, 2008
All rights reserved
Link: http://www.criticalmyth.com

scorp76
April 14th, 2008, 04:05 PM
First, I would like to say I fell validated. VALIDATED! With the Roslin and Admama screne, since I was the first one to brought it up in the 401 thread that Roslin is riding on pride when she bashed poor Starbuck about Earth.

And then I felt especially more validated when Adama told her straight to her face what I was thinking. And what sent me to the moon was her reply which was basically, "I'm ******* dying! If I am ******* dying there must be a reason to it!" Babe, 600 poor SOBs died in 401 and there was no reason, no special purpose. Life. Is. A. B*tch.

Now for some speculations and theories!!

My sister and I debated over these:

Starbuck's origin - She is an agent from Earth. Her mother was sent from Earth of observe and even later advance the reformation of the colonies so that they will whole again. When the Cylon War started (which is the reason why they split from Kobal) they told Kara's mom to observe the situation especially if the Cylons intend to go after the 13th. Hence, why she was so bitter. She knew she'll never see her home planet again. And probably, why she said Kara has a special destiny. Also, explains how Kara had been to Earth before. Genetic memories of her home planet. Since they should have been on Earth for 3000 over of their years, they should develope genetic memories and feelings for Earth. Another thing, how the Cylons know about Kara I don't know but they took her ovaries for that reason that she is a Earth human.

Baltar's origin - Baltar is the creator, descendant of the creator or a clone of the creator of the Cylon race. That is the reason why he can project like a Cylon when he was their base ship. Why he can see Head Baltar and Head Six too. As for the Heads, they are AI programs created by him to influence certain Cylons (since we are not privy to how many Cylons actually have Heads with them) and also to guide him in getting his agenda done since apparently he has not retained any memories.

Comments by me:

The Final Five are either clones or descendants of the Kobal Lords. Hence, their ability to survive and put themselve in leader or highly influencial positions (unintentional, before they discovered they are more than human).

Centurions were already self aware long time ago. They had inhibitor installed to maintain their aggression against the colonials.

Cavil probably knows the whole and I mean whole history of the 13th colonies. He knows exactly who are the Final Five. Who is the the Cylon God (which is Baltor). He knows it all. And he doesn't like it. So he will rewrite history himself. After all, the winners are the ones that write how things happened.

Why Adama believes in Kara is so simple I wonder why people debate over it. Kara, is the apple of his eye. She is the daughter he never had and the son he wished Apollo would be. She is the loyalist friend and most head strong person he had ever know. She is him all aspects. Where as Roslin is a person he admires and may even love. She may be his equal but she will never be him. Hence, she'll never be Starbuck. He has know Starbuck far longer and loves her for more than Roslin.

Starbuck was given that crap heap instead of a Raptor to find earth because Adama and Starbuck really don't know how far away Earth is. They need supplies (limited) and a large ship to store not a small Raptor. Secondly, she needs a navigator, pilot and security team (maybe a medical expert) to assist her when she finds Earth. You can't fit that many people in a Raptor with supplies for 1-2 months.

Final note: Flame away!!!!

Edit: Athena knows about the final five. She is just waiting for them to come to her. After all she outed her follow Cylons to follow the humans. If they can't trust her then she doesn't want to know about it. But in the end I bet she will seek them out.

I 'ma'y have screwed up about the Cylon War reference in Kobal but since the Humans 3000 years back have 3D projectors and the current Colonials don't any (or the technology to make it) there may be a situation concerning technology (probably the creation of AI like the current Cylons) that caused the 13th tribe to have enough and move to Earth. Which the other tribes apparantly admired for its beauty and other stuff hence the references to our Greek mythology and the fact they 'dumb' down their technology to the point that they even haven't cured cancer.

arch317
April 15th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I noticed that if you go to the bsg homepage and look at the photos in the gallery section it appears that Helo, Sharon, Gaeta, Anders, Hotdog, the girl who was promoted to fly raptors(can't remember her name) and a few other i dont know are with Kara on her way to earth.

Jeffala
April 15th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I noticed that if you go to the bsg homepage and look at the photos in the gallery section it appears that Helo, Sharon, Gaeta, Anders, Hotdog, the girl who was promoted to fly raptors(can't remember her name) and a few other i dont know are with Kara on her way to earth.

That doesn't make much sense. Isn't Helo still the CAG? If he is, they're sending the CAG, a senior CIC officer (Gaeta), and three top pilots (Sharon, Hotdog, promoted girl) with her.

That just doesn't seem to be a smart use of resources.

arch317
April 15th, 2008, 01:21 PM
It does seem like a lot of resources but when i saw the ep again and they are in the hanger with Adama, Helo says "we" when he is talking to Kara about taking a ship and people with her to find earth. Also, in the photo's Kara's hair is longer and it seems like they are all on the same ship. And i dont think you could stop Anders from going with her. Just my opinion.

salmidach
April 15th, 2008, 02:15 PM
I must be the only one that found this episode a tad on the boring side.

Come on please sort this out, i know that some tags have to be answered but why do they have to put crap like head baltar into the mix.

where is the sci-fi? it's like watching Dallas in space at the moment, hopefully next week is a return to the norm with a great civil-war, the cylons will become the new humans and settle on a planet. each model will become the leader of a new tribe.

Matt G
April 15th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Summary of first two eps:

1. Opening ten minutes of Ep 1, two awesome moments! :)

2. Starbuck only thought she was away for the few hours? Some form of time travel involved?

3. Lee going into politics, could be interesting.

4. I don't think the Cylons will be an issue for a while.

5. Still not sure how Tight could be a Cylon but anyway...

Overall...BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM! Welcome back Galactica! :)

scorp76
April 15th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Matt G, well unless they put a hyperspace generator in her Viper whoever picked her up dropped her off where Galactica was when they were finished with her.

Ed
April 16th, 2008, 08:53 AM
my therory on kara is that she was picked up by the heavy raider and put into an induced coma put in a new viper and dropped out but drugged to pass out again later she shoots gun camera footage of earth passes out is picked up put into another induced coma until she is dropped out in th nebula

I think there is a type of cylon we havent seen they built the first hybrid and did those horific experiments in razor

i also think the voting system will change each model will get one vote agreed by a vote within the model by the individual units the hybrids raiders and centurians will get a vote each aswell

i think the hybrid from razor is the cylon god he knows the final five he knows the 'plan' and is the one who made the rules

AutumnDream
April 16th, 2008, 01:45 PM
I must be the only one that found this episode a tad on the boring side.

Come on please sort this out, i know that some tags have to be answered but why do they have to put crap like head baltar into the mix.

where is the sci-fi? it's like watching Dallas in space at the moment

Watch Stargate if you want the sci-fi trappings every week with an extremely minimal amount of drama.

CellarDwellar
April 27th, 2008, 08:44 AM
Was dissapointed with Lee leaving.

The rest of the episode was poorly strung together; went from Kara on the ground screaming to the pilots laughing it up, drinking to the bottom of the bottle, to more mushy depressing junk.

By far the best Apollo/Starbuck scene in the entire series; the actors did it so well, they hardly had to use words at all to make it make sense. I was very, very glad that Starbuck swallowed her pride and stepped towards/reached out for Apollo, instead of just letting him go.

I'm not considering it the official "goodbye" scene; I think it just means they know where they stand with each other, but can't pursue it due to distancing paths.

Thank god for the end of the quadrangle of DOOM!!, the worst part of season3. I don't think I like the idea of Loveboat Galactica.

EDIT: The idea of the hybrid from Razor being the Cylon god is a possibility, but very unlikely. I doubt someone lugged Kara around either. I think it's the white beings of light from the original BSG. There's a good chance that's what it is, at least.

daniel9
April 28th, 2008, 02:35 PM
this eps podcast is up

Angela V
October 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Well BSG is on a different channel for me. Which means no more HD BUT I don't have to wait over a frakking year to see it either!

I waited until I had recorded episode 2 to watch the first 2 episodes. Glad I did! Would've drove me nuts otherwise waiting a week inbetween.

So glad I was able to stay away from spoilers because I was shocked at many things in this two parter. About time Kara and Lee had a big kissie. Still trying to absorb everything that happened.

I also agree with others about how this show seriously needs acting noms!

I guess I need to get out my BSG TOS dvds out to remind myself of the Light people. :)

I'm hoping I get another short wait after the last 10 episodes air because otherwise it may be a bit harder to keep away from spoilers! Though I'm doing well with in regards to SGA.