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IMPALER
April 4th, 2008, 04:03 PM
If you ever watch the first episode of stargate when the sg-1 team gets captured by the goauld and teal'c desides he's doing a bad thing and then joins the sg programme, the staff blasts in that episode blast completely through a solid stone wall, im sure the writers should have thought this through because in the more recent episodes when baal sends the foot soldiers to earth the staff blasts can't even go through particianing in an office.
Is this me or are they two totally different staffs?

Tupopoflungo
April 4th, 2008, 04:06 PM
If you ever watch the first episode of stargate when the sg-1 team gets captured by the goauld and teal'c desides he's doing a bad thing and then joins the sg programme, the staff blasts in that episode blast completely through a solid stone wall, im sure the writers should have thought this through because in the more recent episodes when baal sends the foot soldiers to earth the staff blasts can't even go through particianing in an office.
Is this me or are they two totally different staffs?


The damage a staff blast can do was significantly lowered throughout the series.

Naonak
April 4th, 2008, 04:08 PM
If you ever watch the first episode of stargate when the sg-1 team gets captured by the goauld and teal'c desides he's doing a bad thing and then joins the sg programme, the staff blasts in that episode blast completely through a solid stone wall, im sure the writers should have thought this through because in the more recent episodes when baal sends the foot soldiers to earth the staff blasts can't even go through particianing in an office.
Is this me or are they two totally different staffs?
When Baal does what now? :S

Tupopoflungo
April 4th, 2008, 04:14 PM
When Baal does what now? :S

I didn't know what he was talking about either, I just know that they dialed down their power.

P-90_177
April 4th, 2008, 04:19 PM
I think that that can be explained away by saying that different Goa'uld modify their staffs in a certain way. One goa'uld has their staffs made for power, while another has them set up for speed etc.

Bobby
April 4th, 2008, 04:22 PM
in the first season the staff blasts were a hell of a lot stronger than they are now its like in the episode in season one cant think of its name mayby its the first commandemt when tealk shots through another slolid concrete wall that is convering up a device to sheild the inhabitants from the sun

i dont know what he is talking about either do u thinks he means when Gerick sends his troops down to earth to attack baal in season 9???

gkyun
April 4th, 2008, 04:26 PM
When Baal does what now? :S

He was referring to the ep Ex Deus Machina when the Jaffa went to Earth to capture Ba'al. There was a firefight between the office's security guards and the Jaffa. The staff blasts couldn't even penetrate those walls separating the cubicles.

Naonak
April 4th, 2008, 04:40 PM
He was referring to the ep Ex Deus Machina when the Jaffa went to Earth to capture Ba'al. There was a firefight between the office's security guards and the Jaffa. The staff blasts couldn't even penetrate those walls separating the cubicles.
Ah.

Anyway, there's a few things in Children of the Gods that got changed later. It's common for changes to be made from pilot episodes to the rest of a series (although I don't think CotG was technically a pilot, as I think they had the entire season already...) The Jaffa armour being fairly resistant to the gunfire at the start of the episode, but having little effect in any further episode, for example.

IMPALER
April 4th, 2008, 04:58 PM
spot on gkyun, its when the other guy sends troops after baal and the staff blasts can't even penetrate those blue things that seperate cubicals and all they do it put black dust on em.

LT.Adams
April 4th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Ah.

Anyway, there's a few things in Children of the Gods that got changed later. It's common for changes to be made from pilot episodes to the rest of a series (although I don't think CotG was technically a pilot, as I think they had the entire season already...) The Jaffa armour being fairly resistant to the gunfire at the start of the episode, but having little effect in any further episode, for example.

The reason the armour was more resistant in the begining was that they were using m4's with reagular rounds later in the show (around season 4) they started to use the P-90 with armour piercing rounds. This explains why the armour look less resistant.

Tupopoflungo
April 4th, 2008, 05:04 PM
He was referring to the ep Ex Deus Machina when the Jaffa went to Earth to capture Ba'al. There was a firefight between the office's security guards and the Jaffa. The staff blasts couldn't even penetrate those walls separating the cubicles.


Ah...yes...that's right...he confused me when he said Ba'al sent them to earth...


The reason the armour was more resistant in the begining was that they were using m4's with reagular rounds later in the show (around season 4) they started to use the P-90 with armour piercing rounds. This explains why the armour look less resistant.

Actually, They were using the MP5, Not an M4.

Naonak
April 4th, 2008, 05:12 PM
The reason the armour was more resistant in the begining was that they were using m4's with reagular rounds later in the show (around season 4) they started to use the P-90 with armour piercing rounds. This explains why the armour look less resistant.
They didn't get the P90s until The First Ones, almost halfway through season four - they were using MP5s until then.

They changed it. :)

LT.Adams
April 4th, 2008, 05:17 PM
I did some reseach on the staff weaponds blast. According to the Ultimate Stargate Guide- wich has been approved by stagate personel- the power of a blast is directly related to the amount of time between each shot. So this been said there must be a buffer of some sort were the charge is stored before each shot when shoting one shot one right after another the first will be powerfull but each one after that will be less powerfull. this could explain why they can go thourgh some rocks and rick walls but not go though the office partitions.

jenks
April 4th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Meh, that's just made up, it's not canon.

LT.Adams
April 4th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Meh, that's just made up, it's not canon.

then why did RDA write the foreword are you saying he would write for someting he did not approve of.

YutheGreat
April 4th, 2008, 05:41 PM
If you ever watch the first episode of stargate when the sg-1 team gets captured by the goauld and teal'c desides he's doing a bad thing and then joins the sg programme, the staff blasts in that episode blast completely through a solid stone wall, im sure the writers should have thought this through because in the more recent episodes when baal sends the foot soldiers to earth the staff blasts can't even go through particianing in an office.
Is this me or are they two totally different staffs?

If I am not mistaken you mean O'neil when they escaped the Goauld fortress right. As I recall it took several shots in the same place to break through the wall.

From a production standpoint they may have lowered its power. I mean the first time we saw them in action they took four marines/ soldiers and took them hostage. Later in the episodes SG teams seem to hold their own and win in battles against them

gkyun
April 4th, 2008, 05:48 PM
then why did RDA write the foreword are you saying he would write for someting he did not approve of.

Y'know, he probably didnt even know what was in the guide in the first place. After all why would any actor be interested in reading something about Stargate tech and trivia that only us fanboys would care about?

jenks
April 4th, 2008, 06:45 PM
then why did RDA write the foreword are you saying he would write for someting he did not approve of.

Approve of? Well plenty of the cast members are reading for audio books I believe which aren't canon, so I don't see why not.

fugiman
April 4th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I think that that can be explained away by saying that different Goa'uld modify their staffs in a certain way. One goa'uld has their staffs made for power, while another has them set up for speed etc.

Thats what I always thought

But you know what ticked me off when the staff weapon wasn't able to destroy the wood and the P90 could

Ouroboros
April 4th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Yeah it's pretty obvious they nerfed it. Going by what it did to the wall in the opener they should explode people like water balloons.

Censors wouldn't like that much.

SGASG!
April 5th, 2008, 05:55 AM
And also in the movie, Stargate, the staff weapons have as much power as the cannons on a death glider.