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January 24th, 2006, 12:16 AM
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The Doctor and Donna arrive in Pompeii on the eve of the historic eruption of Mount Vesuvius, and must decide whether or not to warn the residents about the upcoming disaster.

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The_Carpenter
April 12th, 2008, 11:50 AM
As theres no discussion thread up yet :mckay: I figured I'd make one :D

Awesome episode. Though I'm not quite sure why the Doctor hesitated on pulling the switch, one city or the entire planet simple enough choice...

Risem
April 12th, 2008, 12:02 PM
I LOVED this episode so much. Tate really showed her acting skills off.

*squees*

Naonak
April 12th, 2008, 12:03 PM
That's more like it...!

Bloody awesome. Just... yeah. Awesome. :D

Major ZOMGage in the scene with the daughter and the soothsayer seeing into the Doctor's mind.

David was brilliant, as always (kinda goes without saying, really ;)), but Catherine Tate impressed me too in the dramatic scenes near the end, which were fantastic.

Another "lost"/"taken" planet, huh? I'm guessing that's something to do with
Davros and the Daleks if they are back.

9.5/10

Reefgirl
April 12th, 2008, 12:04 PM
I loved this episode, so much stuff came out of it (apart from Ash)

"She is returning" everyone (including me) assumes it's Rose, but is it? for a fleeting moment I thought of The Rani
"The Cascade of Medusa"
"The Shadow Proclamation"
"Lost Planet"

So many things to think of. Anyway story was ok, I loved Donna, she's got a good heart The Runaway Bride Donna would have legged it to the Tardis but this Donna wanted to save the family, the little references to Wales was great. David Tennant acted his socks off as usual, I'm definity warming to Catherine Tate, she did really well in this, the FX were good.

I'll post more when I can think of more to say

We are going to get more of this She is returning/Medusa Cascade/Shadow Proclamation it's the Bad Wolf of the series.

Risem
April 12th, 2008, 12:05 PM
That's more like it...!

Bloody awesome. Just... yeah. Awesome. :D

Major ZOMGage in the scene with the daughter and the soothsayer seeing into the Doctor's mind.

David was brilliant, as always (kinda goes without saying, really ;)), but Catherine Tate impressed me too in the dramatic scenes near the end, which were fantastic.

Another "lost"/"taken" planet, huh? I'm guessing that's something to do with
Davros and the Daleks if they are back.

9.5/10

Oh oh! I totally over-looked the whole "lost planet" business. It must be a major arc. Very interesting stuff.

Tykari
April 12th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Smashing episode. It's going to be another great season.

As for the lost planet reference that pops up again, could it be that the major arc of this season could be related to one famous planet that was lost? A possible restoration of Gallifrey?

Then again things aren't alway's as they seem. This shadow proclamation is also recurring, which makes me wonder. Man this is likely going to be another one of those exciting seasons.

Allestian
April 12th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Enjoyed this episode.

Quite a few LOL moments...

"We're all girls" moment particularly for me...

I must ashamedly admit that I was close to crying towards the end...

Basically I was shouting at the Doctor, telling him to listen to Donna, going 'Go back for them you moron!'...as you do.

:D

Good episode, this season now has potential in my mind.

:P

Flyboy
April 12th, 2008, 01:34 PM
I always see the Shadow Proclamation as being something along the lines of the Geneva Convention, or similar, now I'm wondering if it's not something along the lines of the United Nations.

I really enjoyed this episode... I won't say it FELT like Classic Who, but it was in the true spirit of Doctor Who, unlike Partners in Crime. A true historical adventure on, let's face it, epic proportions. The Doctor's actions called into question and a demonstration of how difficult it is to carry that burden, one need only look at Genesis of the Daleks to see the Doctor hesitate even when one act of death can save so many...

I also loved the fact that the first Doctor's adventure in Rome was referenced. It's a nice little love message to the fans.

As for Donna. She's a true companion. I'm going to say it. She is a BETTER companion than Martha or Rose already. She's fulfilling the TRUE role of a companion. To show a HUMAN perspective, not to become the Doctor, or start acting like him, but to tell him when to stop, to cry when he walks away, and to highlight what's right and what's wrong. Donna reminds me of the old companions that would reel the Doctor in like Sarah Jane and Ian & Barbra. She is perfect.

Billz
April 12th, 2008, 02:01 PM
This episode has single-handedly saved this season.

I was, to be totally honest, not expecting much from this season as I felt 'Partners In Crime' was a bad way to start. 'The Fires Of Pompeii' is one of those episodes that people will remember Doctor Who for in years to come.

The Doctor causing Vesuvius to erupt. I have to say, I was not expecting that. I was hoping to hear the adult Pryovile speak but you can't have everything.

All in all, 10/10


"She is returning" everyone (including me) assumes it's Rose, but is it? for a fleeting moment I thought of The Rani

I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?

Flyboy
April 12th, 2008, 02:07 PM
This episode has single-handedly saved this season.

I was, to be totally honest, not expecting much from this season as I felt 'Partners In Crime' was a bad way to start. 'The Fires Of Pompeii' is one of those episodes that people will remember Doctor Who for in years to come.

The Doctor causing Vesuvius to erupt. I have to say, I was not expecting that. I was hoping to hear the adult Pryovile speak but you can't have everything.

All in all, 10/10



I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?
Oooo goody, I *do* so hope it's the last one.

Billz
April 12th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Oooo goody, I *do* so hope it's the last one.

Sarcasm is not like you.

Edit: Spoiler tags. Happy now?

Flyboy
April 12th, 2008, 02:30 PM
I... wasn't being sarcastic. And I wasn;t demanding spoiler tags, this is an episode discussion, there's no need to spoiler tag anything relating to this ep here...

I was genuinly expressing a gleeful desire for Rose to return as an evil she-witch.

Sorry for the misunderstanding...

Matt G
April 12th, 2008, 02:30 PM
1. TARDIS translation circuits were a good laugh.

2. You could see where the Doctor was coming from in terms of not saving the city though Donna did have a point, she might well be a more interesting character this time round.

3. The Pryovile had an interesting story, pity they picked the wrong planet to try and colonise.

4. Roman characters were solid enough.

Good ep. Next week the OOd come back.

Reefgirl
April 12th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?

The 'Hand from the last episode could be the 'She' that was refered to (it's what made me think of The Rani)

Flyboy
April 12th, 2008, 05:04 PM
Ok, that's harsh and inappropriate. Hate the character yes, but don't take it out on the actress.

Anyway, I disagree with you. In MY PERSONAL opinion, Donna has proven herself to be a much more worthy companion than Rose ever did. And that's in TWO episodes.

Willow'sCat
April 12th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Hmm, I am really not sure about this one.
It had a lot of classic who about it which is surprising to me, as I thought the show was trying to move away from that kind of thing. I was unsettled by The Doctor's sudden character turn around from the days of classic Who where he would hardly hesitate to save a person... not talking about Pompeii but the family.

I can put this down to what he has gone through recently, I can see it as being all about him having spent too much time on his own, and also he is a Timelord.

However it irks me that it is left to Donna *again* to badger him into doing the moral thing, as I say back in the day hardly a hesitation, in fact at one point the TARDIS was full of strays, some who had lost everything and here he doesn't even take them with him in as much as he saves them by taking them to... Rome?

I guess what annoys is that it really is left to Donna. I think that diminishes The Doctor in the end. I don't like that, not one little bit.:cool: He is the hero of the show not the bloody companion. :rolleyes: Donna was good here, nothing against her, it is the way the show is treating The Doctor's morals and ethics that are annoying me. If I want to watch a show with heroes who are devoid of ethics I will watch Stargate Atlantis! :cool:

As for the story, well it was alright. James did a pretty good job, while I wasn't that interested in the family at least they weren't annoying, the son was rather entertaining really.

Also loved the man in the market that sold the TARDIS :P I kept getting Monty Python flashbacks! :D The cult/women's knitting group was all very 1970s Doctor Who, and the alien was, well an alien. Seems to be a lot of lost aliens these days, them days... whatever.

Now that thread... that thing that is going to run through the series by the sounds of it... I think it is Rose but it could be The Rani... or it may be "The Doctor's Daughter" I just hope Rose ain't the mum! :eek: I have to say like all the other threads in new Who I am not interested.:cool: It is distracting, maybe the kids like it but I find it a little too silly now. Also where is the surprise? You basically end up with everyone throwing in their two cents of an idea on who "she" is and so by the time the ep airs we have all heard at least one name or idea about who "she" is and that takes away any 'surprise' element. Imho. *shrugs*

Better then last week but hasn't hit its stride yet. ;)

Next week! Yay!

Naonak
April 12th, 2008, 05:26 PM
I was unsettled by The Doctor's sudden character turn around from the days of classic Who where he would hardly hesitate to save a person... not talking about Pompeii but the family.

I can put this down to what he has gone through recently, I can see it as being all about him having spent too much time on his own, and also he is a Timelord.

However it irks me that it is left to Donna *again* to badger him into doing the moral thing, as I say back in the day hardly a hesitation, in fact at one point the TARDIS was full of strays, some who had lost everything and here he doesn't even take them with him in as much as he saves them by taking them to... Rome?

I guess what annoys is that it really is left to Donna. I think that diminishes The Doctor in the end. I don't like that, not one little bit.:cool: He is the hero of the show not the bloody companion. :rolleyes: Donna was good here, nothing against her, it is the way the show is treating The Doctor's morals and ethics that are annoying me. If I want to watch a show with heroes who are devoid of ethics I will watch Stargate Atlantis! :cool:
I think it's just down to the timeline thing. IMO he was clearly pretty torn up about having to do it, but it was historically fixed (or whatever) that they were to die, so as a Time Lord he has to stick to that.

(Although no big flying Father's Day time-beasties...)

Willow'sCat
April 12th, 2008, 07:17 PM
I think it's just down to the timeline thing. IMO he was clearly pretty torn up about having to do it, but it was historically fixed (or whatever) that they were to die, so as a Time Lord he has to stick to that.

(Although no big flying Father's Day time-beasties...)I haven't watched Father's Day... I have, but not... parts of it. :P

I was watching the confidential and RTD does address this as does DT and CT but I am still left thinking they (tptb) are relying on the companion too much for The Doctor's morals in all of this. I am not saying in William Hartnell's day there wasn't similar happenings but it seemed more pronounced here.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, maybe it has been this way for a while.

I never thought or wanted him to save Pompeii but as he is suppose to be the reason Pompeii is destroyed in this story (although he isn't the real reason, in reality it is the aliens and the mountain not The Doctor) all The Doctor can do is make a choice between two bad situations. I understand all of that. I even understand him being, after the Timewar, a different man/Timelord but I still think Tom's Doctor would have opened his bag of jelly babies with little hesitation. :D

This is a kids show so I like that they still are introducing ethics and morals into the equation and that it is not all black and white. So that is something. ;)

Willow'sCat
April 12th, 2008, 09:27 PM
I was never talking about the character.And your point is? :cool: GW rules do not allow you or me or anyone to say negative things about the actors, unless they are constructive, polite and to do with their acting performance.

You can say Tate is not to my liking as an actor, or that you think Billie is better. Calling Tate a "tool" would IMHO go against GW rules. A Mod can/do/may disagree with my interpretation of the rules but I stand by it. :cool:

You can call Donna a tool, if you must, but not Tate. When was Donna's last name Tate? I thought it was Noble?

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Loved the ep. Fighting back with a water pistol! LOL! And everyone knowing who the Doctor was. heh. So much for Spartacus. :D

I think the "lost" planets thing is going to play into things this season, and no, I haven't read the spoilers. :P

I still like Donna. I think she's gonna be a good addition to the show, but I really hope we aren't going to have the nonship shoved down our throats as heavily as the ship has been. :P

Elinor
April 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Loved the ep. Fighting back with a water pistol! LOL! And everyone knowing who the Doctor was. heh. So much for Spartacus. :D

I think the "lost" planets thing is going to play into things this season, and no, I haven't read the spoilers. :P

I still like Donna. I think she's gonna be a good addition to the show, but I really hope we aren't going to have the nonship shoved down our throats as heavily as the ship has been. :P

That's what made me laugh out loud to and Donna's reaction "I bloody love you"! :lol:

It was an OK episode I thought. The SFX were marvellous but I'm still not sure about Donna. It just feels like the show hasn't got going yet. Last week's episode just made me keep thinking of 'Gremlins' http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-002.gif and this one just seemed to lag a bit in places. I'm sure it'll get more exciting for me as it goes on. I have to say, though, I am constantly amazed at the really good and original ideas that they come up with for this show.

:)

Willow'sCat
April 13th, 2008, 01:47 AM
Water pistol, although a bit silly, well I can see kids loving that. And it is the only gun The Doctor is likely to use. :D

kiwigater
April 13th, 2008, 02:12 AM
Right, I'm a bit of a Donna convert! Not that I disliked her before, I just didn't really much care. However, I really enjoyed her in this ep - I loved the way she argued with the Doctor at the end, to save someone.
Overall, a good episode :D

Mr Prophet
April 13th, 2008, 02:19 AM
I was genuinly expressing a gleeful desire for Rose to return as an evil she-witch.

Wild speculation here, but it occurred to me that we have seen a Time Lady choose exactly what she looks like when she regenerates. I also wondered if all these planets are getting lost because someone is monkeying with history, perhaps trying to bring Gallifrey back.

And my own theory - wishful as it is - starts with R, but isn't Rose, or the Rani.

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2008, 02:22 AM
And my own theory - wishful as it is - starts with R, but isn't Rose, or the Rani.

Ooh ooh
Romana
That's a spanner in the works I could appreciate

Mr Prophet
April 13th, 2008, 02:24 AM
Ooh ooh
Romana
That's a spanner in the works I could appreciate

The only trouble is, what would you call the episode?

The Last of the Time Lords... Again
The Last of the Time Lords... No, honestly
The Last of the Time Lords?

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2008, 02:26 AM
The only trouble is, what would you call the episode?

The Last of the Time Lords... Again
The Last of the Time Lords... No, honestly
The Last of the Time Lords?

The Last Time Lady, The President Awakes

Pitry
April 13th, 2008, 02:36 AM
Brilliant episode, lvoed it to small fluffy bits.

I'm completely in love with Donna. Seriously. She's the most brilliantest companion evah!
*angelic smile*

Yeah, I suspect the mentino twice in a row of the Shadow Proclamation and a lost planet was meant to catch our attention - as they're not having an arc word this year, they woudl have to make all the pieces stand out. That's a godo way of doing it.

The "modern" Roman family with the teenager son and "modern art!" bit was compeltely and utterly brilliant.

Poor Doctor. Sniff. RTD sure loves torturing him. But it's a good thing he had Donna. Loved her Latin bits, and the fact they thought they're Celts! :D
Well, loved all of it really.

I'm squeeing.

pbellosom
April 13th, 2008, 04:43 AM
I personally did not find the episode that good, though it picked up a lot towards the end. Interesting to note that here the Doctor was able to sacrifice many forthe greater good yet in The Parting of the Ways he wasn't, though I suppose different Doctor's do have different personalities and thus different morals.

Not the first time the TARDIS has been mistaken for modern art but still brilliant. As was us finally getting an answer to the question of what happens if a companion intentionally speaks the foreign language.

I'm intruiged as to why everyone is convinced that Gallifrey is going to be restored. The destruction of Gallifrey and the Time War thing was the perfect way to re-inject the mystery back into the character of the Doctor. Am I the only person who strongly objects to the idea of bringing back the Time Lords?

The_Carpenter
April 13th, 2008, 04:57 AM
I personally did not find the episode that good, though it picked up a lot towards the end. Interesting to note that here the Doctor was able to sacrifice many forthe greater good yet in The Parting of the Ways he wasn't, though I suppose different Doctor's do have different personalities and thus different morals.


I think the difference is that in this case Pompeii had to be destroyed it was a fixed point in time, where as in The Parting of the Ways the event was in flux and could be manipulated.

Flyboy
April 13th, 2008, 05:01 AM
I personally did not find the episode that good, though it picked up a lot towards the end. Interesting to note that here the Doctor was able to sacrifice many forthe greater good yet in The Parting of the Ways he wasn't, though I suppose different Doctor's do have different personalities and thus different morals.

Not the first time the TARDIS has been mistaken for modern art but still brilliant. As was us finally getting an answer to the question of what happens if a companion intentionally speaks the foreign language.

I'm intruiged as to why everyone is convinced that Gallifrey is going to be restored. The destruction of Gallifrey and the Time War thing was the perfect way to re-inject the mystery back into the character of the Doctor. Am I the only person who strongly objects to the idea of bringing back the Time Lords?
I don't want Gallifrey back either.

Dusk
April 13th, 2008, 06:02 AM
See now, me, I love a good ol' historical episode... and this was no exception. Truly joyous! And I agree with those of you who say that Donna is more amazing than we could have hoped for.

I am muchly happy so far this season, however a tiny frown appears between my eyebrows when I see the teaser for next week. The Ood? Why are we visiting this story again? I remember reading somewhere that RTD says the Ood are related to, and in close proximity to, the Sensorites - as seen in the First Doctor adventures. So far for me, this is the only interesting thing in regards to the Ood.

Mr Prophet
April 13th, 2008, 06:21 AM
I don't want Gallifrey back either.

Nor I, but I think that the arc might involve someone trying to get it back.

MechaThor
April 13th, 2008, 07:22 AM
WOW! Docxtor Who just gets Better and better!

I loved this episode from start to finnish, theres some many good points that I will only list a few!

-Donna, I really like her character now, she makes voice of reason for the Doctor.
-The CGI for this epsiode was amazing, definatly on par with Stargate this week!
-The Bad guys looked very cool!
-Donna finding out what hapens if you speak Latin, when the translator normally translates latin into English!
-The psychics reading the doctors mind at the start witha few hints towards the Doctors past and arcs for this series...

Another hint towards Rose coming back "Shes back Doctor"

Also I wonder what was ment by "You have something on your back Donna"?
Maybe a tatoo or birth mark which has some hidden message?

I also like all these hints towards planets being lost! I wonder if that will play a major role towards the end?

10/10 for this week!

marty2006
April 13th, 2008, 07:51 AM
And your point is? :cool: GW rules do not allow you or me or anyone to say negative things about the actors, unless they are constructive, polite and to do with their acting performance.

You can say Tate is not to my liking as an actor, or that you think Billie is better. Calling Tate a "tool" would IMHO go against GW rules. A Mod can/do/may disagree with my interpretation of the rules but I stand by it. :cool:

You can call Donna a tool, if you must, but not Tate. When was Donna's last name Tate? I thought it was Noble?

Regardless you said i should learn the difference between an actor and a character when i was never talking about the character. Catherine tate is the "actress" who plays donna.

Naonak
April 13th, 2008, 08:03 AM
Regardless you said i should learn the difference between an actor and a character when i was never talking about the character. Catherine tate is the "actress" who plays donna.
Uh... Exactly. You can't call her a tool, as evidenced by that post being deleted...

Major Clanger
April 13th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Marty2006 - please drop it now. You're annoying a perfectly good thread by referencing posts that are no longer there.

Back to the ep:

I loved it, especially the stall holder who said "luvly jubly" hehe
and the Celtic bit - although it was starting to wear a bit thin just as they dropped it.

Totally cheesy though - that's good for me. But I hope they are going to stop pushing the Donna-argues-with-the-Doctor stuff. Yes, we know. Move on to something else now.

As for the Ood... no. I don't want to think about them.

ShadowMaat
April 13th, 2008, 09:13 AM
Maybe Rose will be responsible for the missing planets. Ha. :P

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2008, 09:15 AM
Regardless you said i should learn the difference between an actor and a character when i was never talking about the character. Catherine tate is the "actress" who plays donna.
Catherine Tate is best known as a Comedienne rather than an actress, if you have a problem with her take it off thread and off board, me personally cannot stand her 'Comedy' show but as an actress she's ok, as Donna she's brilliant (Ok I will say no more on the subject)



I loved it, especially the stall holder who said "luvly jubly"
Phil Cornwell (the actor/Impressionist who played the stallholder) said on Confidential that he deliberatly bought a bit of Del-Boy into the character, then went on to do an impression of Frankie Howered as Lurkio and gave us a "Titter ye not" which was something I was doing all through the show :0

Flyboy
April 13th, 2008, 09:43 AM
Tate is a serious actress, aside from her comedy roles she has performed Shakespeare and commedia dell'arte.

huntress
April 13th, 2008, 10:16 AM
Just saw the episode and I have to say that I really, really liked it.
I love that Donna finally asked the Doctor what I've been wondering for ages - if the TARDIS translates all languages into your native tongue, what happens if you deliberately speak in another language? Answer: amusement.

"I am Spartacus." "So am I." *giggles*

Was anyone else reminded of Mary Poppins with the whole family rushing to 'positions' to stop ornaments from falling?

"You fought them off with a water pistol? I bloody love you!"

I felt so sorry for the doctor, when he realized, that he is is the one who is condemning twenty thousand people to their deaths, the not some force of nature but he himself is their executioner (poor doctor).

And you know, if I hadn't loved Donna before, I would have definitely loved her the moment she put her hands over the Doctor's and let him know he wasn't the only one making the decision, that she was making it with him and she was just as responsible. Way to go, Donna. Err, apart from the 20,000 people dying that is.

"Not the whole town. Just save someone." Great acting by Catherine Tate

RogueSeven
April 14th, 2008, 12:15 AM
my personal favorite part of this episode was when the doctor says, not exactly, but along the lines of:

"right, want to destroy the earth, that's all i need"

shows he still is the protector of earth thing (thing with the timelords banishing him to earth in the old episodes)

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 02:30 AM
Just saw the episode and I have to say that I really, really liked it.
I love that Donna finally asked the Doctor what I've been wondering for ages - if the TARDIS translates all languages into your native tongue, what happens if you deliberately speak in another language? Answer: amusement.

"I am Spartacus." "So am I." *giggles*

Was anyone else reminded of Mary Poppins with the whole family rushing to 'positions' to stop ornaments from falling?

"You fought them off with a water pistol? I bloody love you!"

I felt so sorry for the doctor, when he realized, that he is is the one who is condemning twenty thousand people to their deaths, the not some force of nature but he himself is their executioner (poor doctor).

And you know, if I hadn't loved Donna before, I would have definitely loved her the moment she put her hands over the Doctor's and let him know he wasn't the only one making the decision, that she was making it with him and she was just as responsible. Way to go, Donna. Err, apart from the 20,000 people dying that is.

"Not the whole town. Just save someone." Great acting by Catherine Tate

19,996 ;)

Gate-builder
April 14th, 2008, 04:46 AM
One of the best episodes I have ever seen, this season looks promising. Loved it when the Doctor pulled out his watergun!

I really want to know what was going on with the doctors name. From what the girl said 'The Doctor' is not his name at all.
"Even the word 'doctor' is false, you're real name is hidden. It burns in the stars, in the cascade of medusa herself."
I really hope they explain that one fully, and don't leave us with only a few hints like they have done with the events of the timewar.

This might interest all the other Dr Who fans out there as well:

Four takes a somewhat different approach to the previous series. There are no big binding words like 'Bad Wolf', 'Torchwood', or 'Mr Saxon'. This time, it's cumulative: an element from every episode — whether it's a person, a phrase, a question, a planet, or a mystery — builds up to the grand finale. Russell T Davies says: "You've got to watch and listen closely. It's been seeded for a long time, with small but vital references going all the way back to series one. And remember the Master, in "Last of the Time Lords", mentioning the Medusa Cascade? Oh, that's going to come back to haunt us..." (Doctor Who Magazine Issue 394)

huntress
April 14th, 2008, 07:50 AM
As long as his name is not Bertie, Hugo or similiar trivial I am okay LOL but yeah lthe Medusa Cascade from "Utopia". I was really suprised to see that they actually went to Rome and Pompeii to shoot this episode. How cool was that and really how much money doe RTD for each episode. Looks like the Beep really rolled out the cash for the show now :) I loved how Catherine Tate said it felt like a big school trip :)

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 08:24 AM
As long as his name is not Bertie, Hugo or similiar trivial I am okay LOL but yeah lthe Medusa Cascade from "Utopia". I was really suprised to see that they actually went to Rome and Pompeii to shoot this episode. How cool was that and really how much money doe RTD for each episode. Looks like the Beep really rolled out the cash for the show now :) I loved how Catherine Tate said it felt like a big school trip :)

where did you hear that??!

Naonak
April 14th, 2008, 08:31 AM
where did you hear that??!
Everywhere... It was the main focus of DW Confidential.
They used the sets that Rome was filmed on for Pompeii, and a few guys went to Pompeii and Vesuvius to film some shots of the volcano for CGIing into an eruption (and David Tennant went with them on a jolly ;)).

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 08:37 AM
Everywhere... It was the main focus of DW Confidential.
They used the sets that Rome was filmed on for Pompeii, and a few guys went to Pompeii and Vesuvius to film some shots of the volcano for CGIing into an eruption (and David Tennant went with them on a jolly ;)).

that's what i thought... the way huntress said it i thought she meant REAL rome...

Naonak
April 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM
Those sets are in Rome. :cool:

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2008, 08:45 AM
that's what i thought... the way huntress said it i thought she meant REAL rome...

She did. The sets they used - the sets from the mini-series Rome - are at the famous Cinecitta studies in Rome. :D They took the whole production to Rome for two days of filming. It's the first time the show has ever filmed abroad.

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 09:26 AM
She did. The sets they used - the sets from the mini-series Rome - are at the famous Cinecitta studies in Rome. :D They took the whole production to Rome for two days of filming. It's the first time the show has ever filmed abroad.

wow... :D

huntress
April 14th, 2008, 09:48 AM
She did. The sets they used - the sets from the mini-series Rome - are at the famous Cinecitta studies in Rome. :D They took the whole production to Rome for two days of filming. It's the first time the show has ever filmed abroad.

Yup. Thanks Alipeeps for clarifying. I forgot that not everybody saw DW Conifdential LOL

pbellosom
April 14th, 2008, 09:49 AM
She did. The sets they used - the sets from the mini-series Rome - are at the famous Cinecitta studies in Rome. :D They took the whole production to Rome for two days of filming. It's the first time the show has ever filmed abroad.

City of Death was the first one to be filmed abroad, in the New Series some scenes from Daleks in Manhatten were filmed in New York, though apparently none of them featured DT.

huntress
April 14th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I haven't seen "City of Death" yet. Isn't that the story written by Douglas Adams? I really want to see that!

"The Daleks in Manhattan" - you can't compare that to this episode. "Fires of Pompeii" was so much cooler :D and also not only a few scenes where shot there but a big portion of the episode!

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 09:58 AM
City of Death was the first one to be filmed abroad, in the New Series some scenes from Daleks in Manhatten were filmed in New York, though apparently none of them featured DT.

if i remember rightly, it was only backdrops that were filmed in the real NY then actors were blue/greenscreened on

GATEGOD
April 14th, 2008, 12:34 PM
"Doctor she is returning"

Can I say, my new favorite line for season 4.

Reefgirl
April 14th, 2008, 02:02 PM
She did. The sets they used - the sets from the mini-series Rome - are at the famous Cinecitta studies in Rome. :D They took the whole production to Rome for two days of filming. It's the first time the show has ever filmed abroad.
Um, The Two Doctors, starring Colin Baker and Patrick Troughton was filmed in Portugal

Flyboy
April 14th, 2008, 02:06 PM
Um, The Two Doctors, starring Colin Baker and Patrick Troughton was filmed in Portugal
And as has alrady been mentioned... City of Death was filmed on location in Paris.

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2008, 03:07 PM
City of Death was the first one to be filmed abroad, in the New Series some scenes from Daleks in Manhatten were filmed in New York, though apparently none of them featured DT.


if i remember rightly, it was only backdrops that were filmed in the real NY then actors were blue/greenscreened on

^What he said. The only things they "filmed" in New York for the Dalek 2-parter were some establishing shots and some plate shots to allow them to CGI the buildings etc into the background of the "Hooverville" scenes shot in Wales! All they sent over there was the writer, the FX guy and a coupla cameramen. Plus the Dr Who Confidential team, of course! :lol:

Whereas for FoP they transferred the entire production over there - actors, costume, FX, stunts, props, crew, you name it. Lorry loads full of equipment.


Um, The Two Doctors, starring Colin Baker and Patrick Troughton was filmed in Portugal

I'm pretty sure they were referring specifically to the current production (i.e. the new Doctor Who series) when they said it's the first time they've taken production abroad.

Snakeeater3
April 15th, 2008, 10:12 AM
They do say that it is the first time the new series has been filmed abroad not the first time ever in the history of Dr who, and as for the episode it was awesome esspecially the specal effects

Madeleine
April 15th, 2008, 10:02 PM
I like this year's apparent habit of dropping in odd non-sequiteurs and then ignoring them to rush into the next bit of story. Bees disappearing; something on Donna's back....

Wonderful ep, so much to look at.

pbellosom
April 16th, 2008, 02:54 AM
Bees disappearing; .

I still reckon that was just a reference to the real world problem of disappearing bees, which Donna in her new conspiracy theory personna put down to the Doctor

AvatarIII
April 16th, 2008, 03:20 AM
I still reckon that was just a reference to the real world problem of disappearing bees, which Donna in her new conspiracy theory personna put down to the Doctor

oh of course it is.... but there are bees later this season arent there?

Gate-builder
April 16th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Wasps I think.

AvatarIII
April 16th, 2008, 04:32 AM
Wasps I think.

ah... but do wasps eat bees?

Pitry
April 16th, 2008, 08:41 AM
I still reckon that was just a reference to the real world problem of disappearing bees, which Donna in her new conspiracy theory personna put down to the Doctor

It was kinda specifically given attention to - Donna mutters about stuff out of the blue and the Doctor stops and asks specifically about the disappearing bees. Much like the completely random way to throw in the Shadow Proclamation in PiC - and then again in Fires of Pompeii... and jsut like the disappearing planets. Had the Doctor not bothered responding and went "yah yeah" like he did with the rest of what Donna was saying at that same time I'd say it's probably a throwaway line, but they did go to the trouble of emphasising it, so I don't think so... ;)

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2008, 08:47 AM
If this means we're heading towards a showdown with a bunch of evil shadows then can I just say w00t! ;) It's always fun when my kind shows up to the party. :D

Fenrir Foxz
April 16th, 2008, 09:34 AM
If this means we're heading towards a showdown with a bunch of evil shadows then can I just say w00t! ;) It's always fun when my kind shows up to the party. :D

:eek: So you're connected to the Shadow Proclamation?

Pitry
April 16th, 2008, 11:17 AM
If this means we're heading towards a showdown with a bunch of evil shadows then can I just say w00t! ;) It's always fun when my kind shows up to the party. :D

If the line |"what do you want?" appears in one of the epsidoes, I'll scream.

Alipeeps
April 16th, 2008, 01:32 PM
It was kinda specifically given attention to - Donna mutters about stuff out of the blue and the Doctor stops and asks specifically about the disappearing bees. Much like the completely random way to throw in the Shadow Proclamation in PiC - and then again in Fires of Pompeii... and jsut like the disappearing planets. Had the Doctor not bothered responding and went "yah yeah" like he did with the rest of what Donna was saying at that same time I'd say it's probably a throwaway line, but they did go to the trouble of emphasising it, so I don't think so... ;)

Hmm. I don't see it myself. It didn't read to me like they were particularly emphasizing the bee thing or foreshadowing anything with that... Donna just reeled off a load of conspiracy stuff she'd read online and the Doctor was kinda not really listening and then, as he often does, suddenly picked up on one thing and went, "Eh? What?"

To me, it was just the same sort of thing as him leaving at the beginning of the Lazarus Project and reappearing and saying, "I'm sorry, did he just say...etc?" as his busy brain suddenly caught up with what he'd been listening to. :lol:

pbellosom
April 16th, 2008, 03:40 PM
It was kinda specifically given attention to - Donna mutters about stuff out of the blue and the Doctor stops and asks specifically about the disappearing bees. Much like the completely random way to throw in the Shadow Proclamation in PiC - and then again in Fires of Pompeii... and jsut like the disappearing planets. Had the Doctor not bothered responding and went "yah yeah" like he did with the rest of what Donna was saying at that same time I'd say it's probably a throwaway line, but they did go to the trouble of emphasising it, so I don't think so... ;)

I just took that as being the only one that the Doctor was not aware of, possibly (I don't remember the other examples) because it was the only one that was not involving aliens/him

Trek_Girl42
April 19th, 2008, 10:17 AM
It was kinda specifically given attention to - Donna mutters about stuff out of the blue and the Doctor stops and asks specifically about the disappearing bees. Much like the completely random way to throw in the Shadow Proclamation in PiC - and then again in Fires of Pompeii... and jsut like the disappearing planets. Had the Doctor not bothered responding and went "yah yeah" like he did with the rest of what Donna was saying at that same time I'd say it's probably a throwaway line, but they did go to the trouble of emphasising it, so I don't think so... ;)I wouldn't be so sure on the bees one meaning anything- I'd bet it's just a throwaway random comment/red herring.

Which was the first episode we heard "Shadow Proclamation"- I know Rose said it in "The Christmas Invasion", but where did we hear of it before that?

Madeleine
April 19th, 2008, 11:26 AM
It was in "Rose", said by the Doctor to the Nestene.

But I think it's nothing more than an equivalent of "parlez" / "parlay" said in a pirate film, or a flag of truce in a historical epic. I don't think it's a plot element - it's never been before - it's just been a phrase used to initiate negotiation.

Mr Prophet
April 19th, 2008, 01:44 PM
In Rose it had articles, I think, suggesting it was a sort of treaty governing interstellar relations in a post-Rasillonic era. The recent episodes imply that it is a body with some sort of broad reaching authority. who knows if they'll do anything more with it.

Naonak
April 19th, 2008, 04:00 PM
It was in "Rose", said by the Doctor to the Nestene.

But I think it's nothing more than an equivalent of "parlez" / "parlay" said in a pirate film, or a flag of truce in a historical epic. I don't think it's a plot element - it's never been before - it's just been a phrase used to initiate negotiation.
Well, RTD has said that stuff going back to the beginning will be important this year.

They mentioned it three times in the first two seasons (the third was in 'Fear Her'), not at all last year, but then two episodes in a row (making quite a big deal of it in 'PiC')... To me that just seems to be more than coincidence.

Madeleine
April 19th, 2008, 10:55 PM
It's just not a very interesting-sounding sort of coincidence. If the geneva convention had been mentioned three times in a series set on Earth, it wouldn't be a terribly startling thing, or a good place to begin a mystery or an arc. I reckon the 'lost planets' thing has more scope for development.

Willow'sCat
April 25th, 2008, 04:46 AM
It's just not a very interesting-sounding sort of coincidence. If the geneva convention had been mentioned three times in a series set on Earth, it wouldn't be a terribly startling thing, or a good place to begin a mystery or an arc. I reckon the 'lost planets' thing has more scope for development.I am not sure if anyone else mentioned this but "Volcano Day" was mentioned in The Doctor Dances. I heard it tonight while watching the "next on Doctor Who" thing after watching the repeat of Empty Child.

I completely missed it in the episode (TDD) first, second and yes third time around.

Maybe New Who just gets its rocks off by slipping these little words & reffereces in every so often... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! :p

Flyboy
April 25th, 2008, 04:59 AM
I am not sure if anyone else mentioned this but "Volcano Day" was mentioned in The Doctor Dances. I heard it tonight while watching the "next on Doctor Who" thing after watching the repeat of Empty Child.

I completely missed it in the episode (TDD) first, second and yes third time around.

Maybe New Who just gets its rocks off by slipping these little words & reffereces in every so often... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! :p
I was desperatly hoping we'd see a pre-empty child Jack skulking around!

Major Clanger
April 26th, 2008, 05:09 AM
I was desperatly hoping we'd see a pre-empty child Jack skulking around!

we can live in hope...

Merlin's_Legacy
May 2nd, 2008, 04:16 PM
If this means we're heading towards a showdown with a bunch of evil shadows then can I just say w00t! ;) It's always fun when my kind shows up to the party. :D

If the Vorlons show along with them, then it could get really interesting....

Willow'sCat
May 2nd, 2008, 04:35 PM
I was desperatly hoping we'd see a pre-empty child Jack skulking around!Hee, I so didn't get that until I re-re-watched The Doctor Dances. :o I really need to pay more attention to the dialogue when Jack is on screen. :p

Flyboy
May 2nd, 2008, 04:59 PM
Hee, I so didn't get that until I re-re-watched The Doctor Dances. :o I really need to pay more attention to the dialogue when Jack is on screen. :p
Now Now, you can be forgiven for that. It is afterall, Jack. And I'm straight for God's sake.

MasySyma
May 2nd, 2008, 07:42 PM
Hee, I so didn't get that until I re-re-watched The Doctor Dances. :o I really need to pay more attention to the dialogue when Jack is on screen. :p

You mean you plan to stop drooling long enough to hear? How dreadful!!! :)

Jack is always delightfully distracting.

MasySyma
May 2nd, 2008, 07:56 PM
Another amazing episode. I'm loving this Season.

I agree that I appreciate DT's darker Doctor, and Donna is wonderful. The "save someone" scene was powerful, and the entire episode balanced comedy and tragedy well. Only Doctor Who could show the deaths of 20,000 people after making the viewer laugh about a guy with a watergun. I also thought the scene with both of them pushing the lever down was quite moving.

Donna has quickly replaced Martha as my new favorite companion. I like that she doesn't moon over the Doctor; I appreciate that she asks questions that Rose and Martha would not ask; and I enjoy her ability to think for herself.

I noticed that Donna seperates from the Doctor at times. It is nice to see a companion who is not attempting to channel her inner lemming and find the nearest form of death and destruction (Rose) or who is so amenable that she follows the Doctor everywhere and only leaves his side when forced to by alien intervention (Martha). Donna's plan to warn the family didn't work, but at least she tried to do what she thought was right. I like that Donna just seems to be a good person. She isn't the wise child who always aids the Doctor or the amazing medical student who can't think logically.

I also appreciate that Donna isn't fast. She can't always outrun the Doctor, and perhaps this is why she thinks instead of reacting by instinct as often.

I just hope the rest of the series stays as good. I want more episodes like this one.

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2008, 10:16 AM
Watched the ep on SCIFI. Looked kinda like Donna's breath was fogging up as they entered the volcano. LOL! Maybe she was just inhaling and exhaling the fake smoke. ;)

Alipeeps
May 3rd, 2008, 03:49 PM
Watched the ep on SCIFI. Looked kinda like Donna's breath was fogging up as they entered the volcano. LOL! Maybe she was just inhaling and exhaling the fake smoke. ;)

Now come on. It's a quarry in Wales, what do you expect?! :lol:

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2008, 10:29 PM
Now come on. It's a quarry in Wales, what do you expect?! :lol:

Ahhh, so it was rock dust?? :P

Alipeeps
May 4th, 2008, 04:10 AM
Ahhh, so it was rock dust?? :P

Just be thankful it wasn't torrential rain. Actually, it probably was but they're pretty good at disguising that when filming.. :D

nx01a
May 13th, 2008, 10:07 AM
I love Donna more by the episodes. "With a water gun! I bloody love you!"

An interesting episode, complete with The Doctor once again becoming a mass murderer for the greater temporal good. This time, however, he has an accomplice who pulls [well, pushes] the trigger with him.

The psychic aspect was really flimsy. Ok, so massive earthquakes and eruptions can affect the Earth's rotation and axis, but the whole 'micro-rift' thing was really iffy. I really wish the naming of the aliens would be a bit less transparent... Plasmavores. Adiposians. Pyrovile... Ooooh. Evil fire. Ooooh. They didn't look particularly scary, either.

Donna does what most of us would do and tries to save everyone, but ends up failing miserably. The scene with her trying to save the boy was particularly sad. She's doing a good job of calling The Doctor on his actions and forcing him to explain himself, something viewers like me have been irked about for years.

The drama/humour was oddly mixed in the scene on the hill. When Daddy Pompeii is describing the destruction in relation to Vulcan's anger and starts coining the terms 'volcanic' and 'volcano', I'm there laughing while watching 20,000 people burn or choke to death. If he had said that in the 'six months later' scene, I'd feel far more comfortable about it. And The Doctor, Donna and the Tardis as household gods... Good stuff!

And yet another planet just disappeared, eh? Just like the bees. And Rose. I think we have our recurring theme for S4.

And just what is/will be on Donna's back?

And Brits speaking Latin to Latin-speakers is translated into Welsh by the Tardis. Brilliant!

Another enjoyable episode. Keep em coming.

Coco Pops
July 14th, 2008, 06:53 AM
For some reason every time I saw the aliens walking around in the volcano they reminded me of Bionicles...

And were those women all turning to stone linked to the statues in Blink?

Alipeeps
July 14th, 2008, 07:07 AM
For some reason every time I saw the aliens walking around in the volcano they reminded me of Bionicles...

Heh. They do a bit, don't they? :D


And were those women all turning to stone linked to the statues in Blink?

No. Nothing to do with em. The Weeping Angels are a completely different race. The women in The Fires of Pompeii (I assume you're referring to the Sybelline Sisterhood?) and the men too (like Lucius) were slowly turning to stone because they were breathing in the dust from the mountain... Pyrovile dust. They were slowly being turned into Pyroviles.

Coco Pops
July 14th, 2008, 07:11 AM
I read that the Shadow Proclamation is an alliance of worlds that watch out for the extinction of races..... The Jadoon are linked to them.

Alipeeps
July 14th, 2008, 07:28 AM
I read that the Shadow Proclamation is an alliance of worlds that watch out for the extinction of races..... The Jadoon are linked to them.

All we really know about the Shadow Proclamation is (spoilers for The Stolen Earth) that the Doctor describes them to Donna as "intergalactic police" (I think it was). And that the Judoon (who we know are "police for hire") are part of them/work with them (seemingly in the context of guards/groundtroops). There's never any mention of the Shadow Proclamation being "an alliance of worlds" or them "watching out for the extinction of races". They are supposed to be, I think, some kind of overarching supervisory intergalactic force enforcing the rules/peace in the universe.

MmmmMcKAy
November 21st, 2008, 06:20 PM
Just watched this episode today on dvd.....god I love Doctor Who. Anyway, I cried like a baby at the end. I am such a suck. I'm really liking Donna as companion. She has a refreshing non ga ga over the doctor attitude....though she still admires him.

gateship15
November 21st, 2008, 10:28 PM
i liked donna in this episode. altho this episode was very sad because so many people died. i did like both donna and the doctor pushing the trigger and making the volcano erupt. i also like the fact the doctor saved one family and became house hold gods and are respected by the people they saved. in this episode u got to see donna being a typical human and the doctor sticking to the rules of being a time lord.

retiredat44
November 25th, 2008, 03:30 PM
I cannot stand the Nagging and Constant Harping by Donna ! Horrible..
:(

nx01a
November 25th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Better that than the gagagoogoo of Rose and Martha.

gateship15
November 26th, 2008, 01:06 AM
i agree with both of u

Cold Fuzz
January 31st, 2010, 09:40 PM
The ending was really nice. :cameron: Donna & the Doc being paid tribute as household gods with the TARDIS as their temple. Brilliant! :cameron:

gateship15
January 31st, 2010, 10:03 PM
lol i agree i loved that they became the house hold gods

maneth
April 24th, 2013, 10:23 AM
The final scene was definitely the funniest.

maneth
September 10th, 2014, 08:31 PM
Definitely worth a rewatch now that Capaldi's the Doctor.