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GateWorld
January 24th, 2006, 12:16 AM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 3001</FONT>
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While investigating a company that promises overnight weight loss with an easy pill, the Doctor is reunited with Donna, who has been searching for him in the hopes of joining him in his travels.

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Admiral Mappalazarou
April 5th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Hi Rose. :cool:

Hulabaloo
April 5th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Hi Rose. :cool:

I would like to echo that statement. :D

Spoilers:
As a whole I quite like the ep. But, all those consequences and the missed meetings between Donna and the Doctor annoyed me slightly... It was funny though. And I couldn't stop saying that the Adipose were really cute. And wow, Rose. Just one second before she turned around I said to my brother whom I was watching it with "That looks a lot like Rose." Then it was.

Overall 8/10 :D

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Hi Rose. :cool:
Was not expecting that so early on in the season :eek:.... twas nice though

All in all it was a good episode for the first of the season, Doctor Whos premieres always seem a bit lack luster IMO so it did well for one of those

Bring on next week :D

Flyboy
April 5th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Anyone else desperate for Foster to be the Rani?

No?

Just me then....



Anyone else think that shot of Rose was so unflattering it made her look like a man?

No?


Oh....

SeaBee
April 5th, 2008, 11:32 AM
I've just seen the episode, or at least it was on in the room I was working on the computer in, and my chair faces the tv.

Words fail me.

Or rather the words don't fail me, I just can't use them because the nannynet will delete them and I'll get told off by the mods.

That has to be the worst episode of Doctor Who I have ever seen in all the years I have watched the show. Even the terrible eps with Sylvester McCoy were better than this pile of (insert required swear word here).

I would list what was wrong with the show, but I think the list of what was right would be easier.

1. The music was good

2. Um...

If this is the level this show is going to maintain then I think it's going to lose a lot of viewers over the next few weeks.

Naonak
April 5th, 2008, 11:33 AM
All in all it was a good episode for the first of the season, Doctor Whos premieres always seem a bit lack luster IMO so it did well for one of those
:indeed:

I wanna Adipose!!! :p

What have they done to the theme music?!? :eek:

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 11:40 AM
:indeed:

I wanna Adipose!!! :p

What have they done to the theme music?!? :eek:
I like the new theme music.... a hell of a lot more foreboding :D

Hulabaloo
April 5th, 2008, 11:46 AM
I like the new theme music.... a hell of a lot more foreboding :D

I'm not a hundred percent convinced over the theme music. I 'spose I don't like change...


I've just seen the episode, or at least it was on in the room I was working on the computer in, and my chair faces the tv.

Words fail me.

Or rather the words don't fail me, I just can't use them because the nannynet will delete them and I'll get told off by the mods.

That has to be the worst episode of Doctor Who I have ever seen in all the years I have watched the show. Even the terrible eps with Sylvester McCoy were better than this pile of (insert required swear word here).


Not the best ep I admit, but I doubt its the worst. I can't wait for the Moffat eps meself. :D

dipsofjazz
April 5th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I enjoyed this episode.

I must admit that I was dreading Donna, as I didn't like her in her Christmas episode, but I thought she was good here. I take back everything I've said about Catherine Tate joining the show. :P

I thought this was a fun episode, and especially enjoyed the super nanny and her babies. I want an adipose. :D

I also thought it was a good way to re-introduce us to Donna, giving us her reasons for wishing to join up with the Doctor.

Overall, it was a fun romp, so I give it 8/10.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 5th, 2008, 12:30 PM
I don't mind the theme tune, but it could have been better admittedly. Overall, I liked this episode. It was written to be a comedy, no doubt about it (shown especially when Donna and the Doctor are reunited and began mouthing to each other on opposite sides of the room before being caught by the intergalactic nanny, and then the little cuddly fat creatures...awwwwness, definitely going to be made into toys for the kids..)

Alipeeps
April 5th, 2008, 01:01 PM
Well, I really enjoyed it.

Good intro to the season, did a good job of showing the change in Donna and why she now wants to travel with the Doctor. Good mix of action (loved the window-cleaning cradle sequence!) and introspection (the Doctor's explanation of what's happened since he and Donna last met - still alone, kind of, met Martha and "ruined half her life", Rose still lost etc...). Some great light-hearted moments (adored the scene where they finally "meet" and the Doctor's bemusement as Donna tries to mime a complicated explanation of what she's doing there! :lol:) and the Adipose were cute (though I kept expecting it to be a double-bluff and them to turn out to be vicious and eat people or something! :D).

And wow, what a shocker at the end. I never saw that coming! I knew she was back near the end of the season but foreshadowing that in the premiere?! Leaving everyone going "WTF?! How's that possible?!!" for just about the whole season?! Evil! :lol:


I would like to echo that statement. :D

Spoilers:
And wow, Rose. Just one second before she turned around I said to my brother whom I was watching it with "That looks a lot like Rose." Then it was.



Oh me too! I had a sudden feeling that something important was happening and said to hubby, "That looks a bit like... is that...?" and then she turned round and I was like, "OMG! It is!" :lol:


I'm not a hundred percent convinced over the theme music. I 'spose I don't like change...


Yeah, I wasn't too keen on it in VotD but it'll probably grow on me..


and then the little cuddly fat creatures...awwwwness, definitely going to be made into toys for the kids..)

Did you see in Doctor Who Confidential the knitted one they had on-set? :lol:

Major Clanger
April 5th, 2008, 01:07 PM
I really liked it. I'm not sure if it was because those Adipose things were so cute, or if it was because I have really missed Who (nothing else to watch).

I'm not sure about the music yet. But I'm quite sure I don't like it.

Maybe I loved it so much because I was relieved that Catherine Tate wasn't totally awful. And I do so want her hair.

Pity Foster is, apparently, dead. Well, you never know in Sci-fi do you? I thought she was a chilling alien and would like to have seen more of her.

Sheppard little minx
April 5th, 2008, 01:56 PM
I loved it.. brillant.

Doctor who bbc site gone down

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 02:08 PM
I loved it.. brillant.

Doctor who bbc site gone down
as has the outpost gallifrey forums.....

cant sign in.... :lol: hope that doesnt happen every week :p

Madeleine
April 5th, 2008, 02:17 PM
I loved the Adipose. They seemed so friendly. I was particularly pleased to learn that the parents didn't approve of the way their offspring were being spawned, because I want the Adipose to be good creatures - the Whoniverse seems to have more bad aliens than good.

Still, a gloriously sick way for them to be 'born'. Poor pill-popping-people. That chap who said he lost his weight at 1:10am - bless'im, he was a pet.

I liked Bernard Cribbins turning out to be Donnas Grandad. It made the end of the episode especially sweet.

Donna herself was splendid. I enjoyed the mouthing scene - enough mugging to be silly fun, but still plausible. I LOL'd at the hatbox. I thought what she said about going to Egypt and how her life hadn't changed and she was n't really managing to change it like she'd expected, was touching and gave her depth.

I'd not been looking forward to the return of Rose in the finale; I found that the return of Rose 11 or 12 episodes before I'd expected it was a good deal more enjoyable than I'd have thought possible. Was she really 'there'? Did she hear a word Donna said? Why was she there? A mystery is so much better than the Doctor going looking for her.

What's all that about the Bees then? :confused: <-- that's confused in a good way.

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 02:36 PM
I loved the Adipose. They seemed so friendly. I was particularly pleased to learn that the parents didn't approve of the way their offspring were being spawned, because I want the Adipose to be good creatures - the Whoniverse seems to have more bad aliens than good.

I got the impression that the Adipose parents were fine with using a stage five world, and just eliminated Ms Foster to remove witness's... either one works though :)



What's all that about the Bees then? :confused: <-- that's confused in a good way.

I think its a reference to the theory of Colony Collapse Disorder. Whereby if Bees disappear completely civilisation will collapse within 5 years as crops are no longer pollinated and we run out of food... how this plays into season 4 I have no idea mind :p

Tracy Jane
April 5th, 2008, 02:50 PM
I got the impression that the Adipose parents were fine with using a stage five world, and just eliminated Ms Foster to remove witness's... either one works though :)


That's how I read it as well. It wasn't that they were unhappy, they just wanted any accomplices removed and out of the picture. After all, if Foster was out, then they could claim ignorance.

huntress
April 5th, 2008, 03:06 PM
Cheesy episode and while Donna was less annoying then in "Runaway Bride" I still have some problems to reaslly warm up to her.

Three hurrays for the mentioning of Martha
50 hurrays for ROOOOOOOSE!

but why did she look so sad and fade away. Did she find some way to contact this world from the alternate universe? I want herr back :hugs Rose:

Hulabaloo
April 5th, 2008, 03:10 PM
On a side note, did anyone else like the way she fiddled with her glasses? The clacking they made just sounded 'cool' to me. And the way she folded them... she was just playing with them all the time. Made her seem more sinister... :D

Willow'sCat
April 5th, 2008, 03:11 PM
Words fail me. Or rather the words don't fail me, I just can't use them because the nannynet will delete them and I'll get told off by the mods. That has to be the worst episode of Doctor Who I have ever seen in all the years I have watched the show. Even the terrible eps with Sylvester McCoy were better than this pile of (insert required swear word here).

I would list what was wrong with the show, but I think the list of what was right would be easier.

1. The music was good

2. Um...

If this is the level this show is going to maintain then I think it's going to lose a lot of viewers over the next few weeks.
To be honest my initial reaction was similar (although what the hell is wrong with Sylvester McCoy? Hmm? :cool:) but after I realised that yeah this is really a kids show, I mean seriously this was one of those eps for the kids not really the adult members of the audience.

Well I got over my disappointment... although can you imagine the out cry if this was a Torchwood ep? My god folks would knock it from here to Cardiff and call it a pile of rubbish. :p

As plots go non event, big black hole of nothing. Mindless even! I do expect more from Doctor Who.

Really this was just a means to an end. Get Donna in the TARDIS. Show Rose crossing dimensions or whatever she was doing (how convenient that she can do that hey) :rolleyes: Yes you guessed it not happy about all the little companions coming back again. *cough* cheap stunt *cough*

On Donna, I guess I am showing my age but it is really nice to have an older companion for The Doctor the change will be nice. And thankfully no shipping but then again with both Rose and Martha (and Jack and SJS) appearing this series can you really say there will be no shipping? :cool:

I liked the way Donna and The Doctor met again, very funny and I have no idea what Donna was trying to say to him but it was funny I will give them that.

Has Tate been to see Myles hairdresser? Their hair styles are very similar. :S

Love the new take on the theme. Wow, talk about awesome.

Looking forward to next week. :)

BTW: The actress who played the nanny... Rose from "Rose and Maloney" and next week the actor who plays Maloney... from "Rose and Maloney" Yes I did like that show.

Flyboy
April 5th, 2008, 03:33 PM
To be honest my initial reaction was similar (although what the hell is wrong with Sylvester McCoy? Hmm? :cool:) but after I realised that yeah this is really a kids show, I mean seriously this was one of those eps for the kids not really the adult members of the audience.

Well I got over my disappointment... although can you imagine the out cry if this was a Torchwood ep? My god folks would knock it from here to Cardiff and call it a pile of rubbish. :p

As plots go non event, big black hole of nothing. Mindless even! I do expect more from Doctor Who.

Really this was just a means to an end. Get Donna in the TARDIS. Show Rose crossing dimensions or whatever she was doing (how convenient that she can do that hey) :rolleyes: Yes you guessed it not happy about all the little companions coming back again. *cough* cheap stunt *cough*

On Donna, I guess I am showing my age but it is really nice to have an older companion for The Doctor the change will be nice. And thankfully no shipping but then again with both Rose and Martha (and Jack and SJS) appearing this series can you really say there will be no shipping? :cool:

I liked the way Donna and The Doctor met again, very funny and I have no idea what Donna was trying to say to him but it was funny I will give them that.

Has Tate been to see Myles hairdresser? Their hair styles are very similar. :S

Love the new take on the theme. Wow, talk about awesome.

Looking forward to next week. :)

BTW: The actress who played the nanny... Rose from "Rose and Maloney" and next week the actor who plays Maloney... from "Rose and Maloney" Yes I did like that show.
I've never known what was wrong with McCoy's era either... apart from the candyman.... ERGH... although, as a child... that WOULD have scared me to death... I remember a tv advert for liquirish allsorts where everyones head turned into a giant smiling allsort sweet apart from one person and it TERRIFIED me, so the candyman would have been the only enemy to ever have be behind the sofa... too bad I never saw it as a kid eh?

Anyway I digress...

I agree this wasn't an adults ep... and for those who insist Who is a family show, well... yes it is... but I would argue that the Utopia trilogy, Blink, and Human Nature were very grown up. I think... Who season premiers are meant to be the kid friendly ep... I mean, apart from Rose (which I DID like...) the rest were VERY silly and childish. Zombies and Catpeople, Rhino police and Straw-Using-Vampires, and now cuddly fatballs. I'm certainly not going to judge the rest of S4 to be of this standard, because at the end of the day, as mediocre as this ep was, it was amusing.

What does concern me is Wose. *ahem* Sorry, Rose. Apart from her LOOKING LIKE A MAN!!!!!! I just don't understand her being there. No other companion has had this level of importance.... EVEN ADRIC WHO DIED only effected the doctor for two 25 minute episodes before he was right as rain. That's what happens. I get the good Doctor LIKED Rose because she was the first loving person he met after the Time War... but really. Judging by that scene she's going to come back and be all bolshy and moody, telling the doctor off for seeing other women (Martha & Donna) and just being like she was in Rise of the Cybermen regarding Lucy. Who is NOT meant to be a soap. Companions are not that important. They're really, REALLY not.

huntress
April 5th, 2008, 03:34 PM
:shrugs: I really had no prolems with this episode being cheesy. Yes it was clearly an episode that would make the kids more happy then the adult but after all that drama from yesterday I didn't need more darkness.

Reefgirl
April 5th, 2008, 03:35 PM
What the hell have the done to the theme music, bring back the old one please.

I enjoyed this episode it wasn't too bad for an opener, the adipose were cute, hmm now where's that white wool, I could maybe have one made by next week, if I could be assed and if Alex could be bothered to tear herself away fro the WRC and watched the ep enough times to fall in love with the Adipose, but I digress, it's great to see Bernard Cribbins back and I hope he's in a few episodes, not too sure about Donna's mum, she's like an older version of Jackie. I liked Donna and the Doctor missing each other it added a little comedy. I have to say I wasn't sure about Donna but I liked her more in this than I did the Runaway Bride and thank f**k for no shipping.

As for Rose, I can't say I'm glad to see her back, but I think she maybe this year's 'Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Mr Saxon, a glimpse of blond hair here, the sound of her voice there, face in the crowd somewhere else, that kind of thing.

Flyboy
April 5th, 2008, 03:37 PM
What the hell have the done to the theme music, bring back the old one please.

I enjoyed this episode it wasn't too bad for an opener, the adipose were cute, hmm now where's that white wool, I could maybe have one made by next week, if I could be assed and if Alex could be bothered to tear herself away fro the WRC and watched the ep enough times to fall in love with the Adipose, but I digress, it's great to see Bernard Cribbins back and I hope he's in a few episodes, not too sure about Donna's mum, she's like an older version of Jackie. I liked Donna and the Doctor missing each other it added a little comedy. I have to say I wasn't sure about Donna but I liked her more in this than I did the Runaway Bride and thank f**k for no shipping.

As for Rose, I can't say I'm glad to see her back, but I think she maybe this year's 'Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Mr Saxon, a glimpse of blond hair here, the sound of her voice there, face in the crowd somewhere else, that kind of thing.
I may have to burn my eyes out if Rose is indeed this year's Saxon.

It's badwolf all over again. *cries*

Alipeeps
April 5th, 2008, 03:57 PM
What does concern me is Wose. *ahem* Sorry, Rose. Apart from her LOOKING LIKE A MAN!!!!!! I just don't understand her being there. No other companion has had this level of importance.... EVEN ADRIC WHO DIED only effected the doctor for two 25 minute episodes before he was right as rain. That's what happens. I get the good Doctor LIKED Rose because she was the first loving person he met after the Time War... but really. Judging by that scene she's going to come back and be all bolshy and moody, telling the doctor off for seeing other women (Martha & Donna) and just being like she was in Rise of the Cybermen regarding Lucy. Who is NOT meant to be a soap. Companions are not that important. They're really, REALLY not.

Well... I have my concerns regarding the Rose thing and it could be overplayed if they're not careful... but, tbh, I think you're reading a lot into a 5 second appearance. I totally didn't get the "bolshy and moody, jealous of other women" vibe from her brief appearance in Partners in Crime. I felt the whole point of her appearance was simply foreshadowing... teasing the heck out of the viewers with a "What? How the heck is that possible? What's happening here?!" moment. She wasn't around long enough, or interacting with anyone long enough, to get a feel for what her mood or agenda is going to be...

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Well... I have my concerns regarding the Rose thing and it could be overplayed if they're not careful... but, tbh, I think you're reading a lot into a 5 second appearance. I totally didn't get the "bolshy and moody, jealous of other women" vibe from her brief appearance in Partners in Crime. I felt the whole point of her appearance was simply foreshadowing... teasing the heck out of the viewers with a "What? How the heck is that possible? What's happening here?!" moment. She wasn't around long enough, or interacting with anyone long enough, to get a feel for what her mood or agenda is going to be...
I got the impression that she wasnt really there, but appeared to be there due to the walls between the alternate universes weakening.

slight season finale spoilers
also explains how Rose, Jackie and Micky show up at the end of the season

Alipeeps
April 5th, 2008, 04:02 PM
As for Rose, I can't say I'm glad to see her back, but I think she maybe this year's 'Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Mr Saxon, a glimpse of blond hair here, the sound of her voice there, face in the crowd somewhere else, that kind of thing.


I may have to burn my eyes out if Rose is indeed this year's Saxon.

It's badwolf all over again. *cries*

There is no Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Saxon thing this year. From the newest edition of the Doctor Who Magazine:

Mildly vague spoilers:In terms of story arcs, Series Four takes a somewhat different approach to previous series. There are no big, binding words like 'Bad Wolf', 'Torchwood', or 'Mr Saxon'. This time, it's cumulative; an element from every episode - whether it's a person, a phrase, a question, a planet, or a mystery - builds up to the grand finale. Russell says: "You've got to watch and listen closely. It's been seeded for a long time, with small but vital references going all the way back to Series One. And remember the Master, in Last of the Time Lords, mentioning the Medusa Cascade? Oh, that's going to come back to haunt us..."

Flyboy
April 5th, 2008, 04:09 PM
There is no Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Saxon thing this year. From the newest edition of the Doctor Who Magazine:

Mildly vague spoilers:In terms of story arcs, Series Four takes a somewhat different approach to previous series. There are no big, binding words like 'Bad Wolf', 'Torchwood', or 'Mr Saxon'. This time, it's cumulative; an element from every episode - whether it's a person, a phrase, a question, a planet, or a mystery - builds up to the grand finale. Russell says: "You've got to watch and listen closely. It's been seeded for a long time, with small but vital references going all the way back to Series One. And remember the Master, in Last of the Time Lords, mentioning the Medusa Cascade? Oh, that's going to come back to haunt us..."
Care to mention that here? http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=53695

Alipeeps
April 5th, 2008, 04:20 PM
Care to mention that here? http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=53695

Done. :)

IMForeman
April 5th, 2008, 05:27 PM
as has the outpost gallifrey forums.....



Oh, good... it's not just me, then. I was thinking I got banned or something. I couldn't imagine what I'd done to get banned, but not being able to sign in made me think maybe I had.

But, if it's not just me, then I guess I've not earned myself a kick out the door.

As for the episode, Marks out of 10, I'd give it a 7.

There's some brilliant stuff there, mixed with some OTT silliness, and a couple moments at the end that earned exclamations from me ("Mad Martha" being one of them... some of y'all from the States probably know why), and of course, the glimpse of Rose (I'd not expected her so soon) had me tearing up a bit. I hadn't realized until just then how much I missed her. And to have that Doomsday riff playing as she faded off into the night...

Aw, man. Nothing gets me like Doctor Who. Nothing.

The_Carpenter
April 5th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Oh, good... it's not just me, then. I was thinking I got banned or something. I couldn't imagine what I'd done to get banned, but not being able to sign in made me think maybe I had.

But, if it's not just me, then I guess I've not earned myself a kick out the door.

As for the episode, Marks out of 10, I'd give it a 7.

There's some brilliant stuff there, mixed with some OTT silliness, and a couple moments at the end that earned exclamations from me ("Mad Martha" being one of them... some of y'all from the States probably know why), and of course, the glimpse of Rose (I'd not expected her so soon) had me tearing up a bit. I hadn't realized until just then how much I missed her. And to have that Doomsday riff playing as she faded off into the night...

Aw, man. Nothing gets me like Doctor Who. Nothing.
its working for me now....

are you stuck on the log on screen? if so click on the doctor who forum banner up top it should take you into the index.

They are having some server troubles apparently

IMForeman
April 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM
its working for me now....

are you stuck on the log on screen? if so click on the doctor who forum banner up top it should take you into the index.

They are having some server troubles apparently

I'm in now, cheers for the heads up.

dragongirl
April 5th, 2008, 06:36 PM
I must just the one of the odd ones here I liked it yes the plot was blah but the whole mouthing thing with Mrs Foster watching I found funny the Adipose things were too cute I want to have one for a pet. Donna having all her stuff packed and ready to travel. I also Loved that the Dr and Donna defined their relationship. Plus Rose was there yes she looked off but still she was there we saw her and to me that is enough.

Ruined_puzzle
April 5th, 2008, 08:54 PM
Rosseee!!!!

RogueSeven
April 5th, 2008, 11:38 PM
i have to say, i was really hoping for foster to be the rani, was kinda stupid to have someone like that (with a sonic pen!!) not be a timelord and be a stupid nanny...that was just stupid


i liked roses cameo though :D, have always liked rose and wish she hadnt been cut

Night Marshal
April 6th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Classic Doctor Who sure it was a bit silly but David Tenet has always been a bit sillier than your average Doctor. Very happy with Season four looking forward to more. not sure what to make of Rose yet but I had read some where that Micky might be back this season I guess if Rose is back it makes sense he would be too.

Also I think the Actress that played rose left the show because she didn't want to get typecast.

Pitry
April 6th, 2008, 01:43 AM
Oh, Russel T Davies, you mad sadistic genius.

Loved this episode. I like the big silly ones with the big silly aliens like this one or last year's Smith & Jones.
I adore Donna. I want to marry her adn have her children :) - that scene they finally find each other was more than briliant... as was the scene with her taking all of her suitcases and dropping them ont he Doctor. I so love where this Doctor-companion relatinoship is going :)

And oh, yeah. The cameo. Mad sadistic genius, did I mention it by now? :D
SQUEE!

Major Clanger
April 6th, 2008, 03:57 AM
During the Blink ep I was getting worried that the programme was getting a bit too scary for my girls (heck, it scared the pants off me) so I was glad that this was a bit cute.

I want the writers and PTB to just get over flaming Rose. She was good for the 2 seasons, but overshadowed Martha (who I loved) and if she's going to overshadow Donna as well I am Going To Be Very Cross Indeed.

As for the bee comment. Donna established that she has been checking out weird stories on the internet in the hopes of meeting The Doctor. When she also mentioned that all the bees had gone, he just said "what?"

For me that meant he hadn't heard of that - yet - but I think it will tie in to the giant hornet thing that we saw in the trailers. Blimey, could we have a thinking assistant who spots things The Doctor didn't.

Also, thinking back - I loved her "what do you need, what have we got" attitude. That's the way to go.

Dyevanna
April 6th, 2008, 04:24 AM
Donna has quashed most of my misgivings about her casting here...Nowhere near as annoying as I feared, and actually quite likeable at times! I loved the scene when she finally found the Doctor again.

Not too fond of the monsters themselves though. They were a bit too silly - my parents gave up on the episode as soon as they saw them. Although the scene where they got beamed up onto the spaceship made me smile anyway.

Also......ROSE! Totally unexpected and totally brilliant.

A better opener than New Earth and Smith and Jones, IMO.

Indum'kra
April 6th, 2008, 04:57 AM
Well, Donna wasn't as bad as I feared, pity I can't say the same about the episode. The only good bit was the doctor and Donna's miming and it being broken up by the 'nanny'.

MechaThor
April 6th, 2008, 05:26 AM
Doctor Who is back, and on Great Form!

Donna is alot better than the Christmas one, and her and the doctor have a great "friendly" relationship developing, Love the end scene

Doctor "I just want a mate"
Dona "Your not mating with me"
Doctor "NO 'A' Mate"
Dona "oh good as your a skinny alien nothing"

As for the story I liked it, It was a fun idea, and had a alien invasion which was not really "evil" If teh concept worked it would be a good deal, you lose your fat and make life from it. But what the nanny was doing made it bad.
I loved the CGI, and the alien crowd scnes, sure they where cute, but it worked as they was badies, and it was something diffrent! As Russel T Davis said "we have done big scary monsters b4".

I am now really looking forward to this series, Doctor Who just gets better and better!

Klenotka
April 6th, 2008, 05:34 AM
I love it! I looked forward to Donna and I wasn´t disappointed.

Their "almost-meeting" or Donna´s suitcases were great, and their pantomima, too :D I think this will be nice change after the young companions who fell for the doctor instantly. In the minute he started to be sentimental, she stopped him. That´s great.
Oh, and Rose! I didn´t expect that at all!

How I was sad after TW, I am excited now.:D

Hulabaloo
April 6th, 2008, 07:33 AM
I'm glad that Tate's acting has cleared up your doubts over her character. I wonder if she gets worried about being typecast for her own show?

MechaThor
April 6th, 2008, 11:55 AM
I'm glad that Tate's acting has cleared up your doubts over her character. I wonder if she gets worried about being typecast for her own show?

I don't know? But I noticed hints of her Sketch Show characters peeking through on some of the stuff she said, I don't think it was intentinal however.

Still I has very impressed by her, and I like how she and the Doctor are decoming friends, rather than being another romanic situation!
It may allow us to see a very diffrent side of the doctor, and allow him to tell her stuff he would not of told Rose and Martha.

Oceanic_Jack
April 6th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Well, Donna wasn't as bad as I feared, pity I can't say the same about the episode. The only good bit was the doctor and Donna's miming and it being broken up by the 'nanny'.

Yeah, that miming business had me in stitches. I wasn't too sure about having Catherine Tate in it because the way her character speaks is just over the top, but I liked it.

And the appearance of Rose...I was totally shocked!

Willow'sCat
April 6th, 2008, 06:00 PM
A better opener than New Earth and Smith and Jones, IMO.New Earth was much better imho I think when you are not having to spend time on introducing companions and their families, you can spend time on the story itself, I think the story here took a definite back seat.

For that reason I kind of hope Donna stays on for the specials next year. I also hope to god, that given how much older Donna is compared to Rose and Martha, that her family is not as involved in this series. I don't mind some sense of home for the companions but really it was all too much with Rose and Martha.

That is the stuff of soap opera not scifi, not Doctor Who IMHO. ;)

insomniac8400
April 6th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Great episode of the Sarah Jane adventures. Maybe next week we will get a Doctor Who episode.

Trek_Girl42
April 6th, 2008, 11:52 PM
:eek: The Doctor's back!

Definitely an ep that will divide between those who enjoy the sillier elements of the show and those who don't.....I love the silliness, and the Adipose are one of the cutest things I have ever seen..... :D

I love Donna. I didn't the first time I saw the Christmas special, she grew on me the second time I watched it, and here she was brilliant- the scene with the miming, and the suitcases! She's definitely proven herself an excellent companion. And I like that they've gotten the shipping conversation over and done with. Yay!

And seeing Rose was an absolute shock- certainly never saw that coming. Should be interesting.....

And no key word this season? Frak.....I was looking hard this time! I was sure I had stumbled upon something when I saw a jacket in that closet with "Top Arch" written on the back.....It looked very suspicious hanging there, words carefully displayed..... :P

Verona
April 7th, 2008, 01:41 AM
I don't know? But I noticed hints of her Sketch Show characters peeking through on some of the stuff she said, I don't think it was intentinal however.

Still I has very impressed by her, and I like how she and the Doctor are decoming friends, rather than being another romanic situation!
It may allow us to see a very diffrent side of the doctor, and allow him to tell her stuff he would not of told Rose and Martha.

Yes glad to see it was not just me, at times all I could hear was the old granny character she plays and was worried. Still despite that I enjoyed this and Rose's appearance at the end was a great touch loved it.
So Partners in Crime gets a big thumbs up from me.

Bray
April 7th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Gotta say I was worried about Cathrine Taite being in it, mainly because I saw her show and didn't find that funny in the slightest! However I have to say she did do quite well, I thought the part where they were having the conversation without speaking was hilarious, and the whole "A MATE??!!" bit was good too.

Rose :eek:

When I saw the back of her head I said, "that's Rose" and it was :D yay me!

I'm pretty hopeful that this season will be as good as the previous seasons!

Reefgirl
April 7th, 2008, 03:34 AM
Yes glad to see it was not just me, at times all I could hear was the old granny character she plays and was worried. Still despite that I enjoyed this and Rose's appearance at the end was a great touch loved it.
So Partners in Crime gets a big thumbs up from me.
I'm waiting for someone (probably the Doctor) to yell "Am I bovvered" at Donna

Alipeeps
April 7th, 2008, 05:01 AM
I love Donna. I didn't the first time I saw the Christmas special, she grew on me the second time I watched it, and here she was brilliant- the scene with the miming, and the suitcases! She's definitely proven herself an excellent companion. And I like that they've gotten the shipping conversation over and done with. Yay!


The more I think about this, the more I've come to realise just what I liked about Donna in this ep... aside from the non-shippy thing (I didnt hate the shippiness of the previous 2 companions but if they'd gone that route with athird, it would have been too much). I like that Donna is older and arguably more mature, but what I really like is that she doesn't hero worship the Doctor. Both Rose and Martha were fairly young and inexperienced in life and they got swept away by the magic and mystery of the Doctor - though they may have disagreed with him at times etc, in general they were somewhat in awe of him and just got swept along with him.

Donna, on the other hand, is much more pragmatic. Although she has been looking for the Doctor and is desperate to travel with him, it's the *adventure* she is interested in, not the man. She doesn't put him on a pedestal and she has no qualms about piling her luggage into his arms and expecting him to carry it into the TARDIS for her. She sees him more as an equal and she doesn't romanticise him. And I think that will be an interesting new dynamic.


I'm waiting for someone (probably the Doctor) to yell "Am I bovvered" at Donna

I really really doubt they would ever do something that obvious and self-referential. There's in jokes... and then there's just jolting the viewer out of the story altogether...

Trek_Girl42
April 7th, 2008, 11:26 AM
The more I think about this, the more I've come to realise just what I liked about Donna in this ep... aside from the non-shippy thing (I didnt hate the shippiness of the previous 2 companions but if they'd gone that route with athird, it would have been too much). I like that Donna is older and arguably more mature, but what I really like is that she doesn't hero worship the Doctor. Both Rose and Martha were fairly young and inexperienced in life and they got swept away by the magic and mystery of the Doctor - though they may have disagreed with him at times etc, in general they were somewhat in awe of him and just got swept along with him.

Donna, on the other hand, is much more pragmatic. Although she has been looking for the Doctor and is desperate to travel with him, it's the *adventure* she is interested in, not the man. She doesn't put him on a pedestal and she has no qualms about piling her luggage into his arms and expecting him to carry it into the TARDIS for her. She sees him more as an equal and she doesn't romanticise him. And I think that will be an interesting new dynamic.
And therein it is. She's desperate to get to the TARDIS because she wants that adventure and she wants it desperately- and that's what I really like about her. In that situation, that's me - and probably a lot of other viewers as well - I can completely identify with what she wants and I want her to find the Doctor! She's not desperate for a Timelord boyfriend (or any man for that matter), just a friend to go travelling with for the adventure itself. :)

Billz
April 7th, 2008, 03:37 PM
To be honest, I found the first episode to be a little too silly for my taste. The whole Miss Foster suspended in mid-air after the anti-gravity beam got switched of seemd a little too 'road runner-ish' to me. I prefer serious DW episodes.

I also wish the Adipose didn't look like alien marshmellows either. Should have looked at least a bit scary. But then again, maybe thats just me.

Still not sure about Donna. She was still annoying. Not as annoying as she was in 'The Runaway Bride' though. Too bad she didn't get that sonic pen though.

Overall 5/10 (Could've been better).

ShadowMaat
April 7th, 2008, 09:28 PM
The constantly missing each other gag went on a little too long and the Adipose were almost TOO cute- or at least too cute to stay cute without having some scary-ass violent quirk to 'em. Still, I liked it. loved Donna although she was coming off a bit heavy on the Sarah Jane "investigating weird ****" vibe. I think it's off to a good start. I know folks are pissy about Catherine Tate, but I still don't think she's going to be a disaster.

Rose at the end was a surprise. I still think bringing her back is a mistake, but at least they kept her appearance this time around as just a shock value thing. I'm avoiding all the spoilers so right now I'm hoping her appearance is an ominous thing or that she's gone darkside, but knowing how much the production staff seems to love her (we STILL aren't allowed to forget her, dammit) I doubt they'd do anything to tarnish her golden image. :rolleyes:

Major Clanger
April 7th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Talking about Sarah Jane... wouldn't it have been hilarious if she'd been running around too, with K9 in tow?

Flyboy
April 8th, 2008, 04:58 AM
Talking about Sarah Jane... wouldn't it have been hilarious if she'd been running around too, with K9 in tow?
Alas, not so much with K9 in tow... have you seen any of the Sarah Jane Adventures episodes?

Major Clanger
April 8th, 2008, 05:10 AM
Yes, alas. Poor ol' K9. But since I'm dreaming, he can be there can't he?

*pouts*

Flyboy
April 8th, 2008, 05:16 AM
*gives Major Clanger a hug*

Of course he can dear. ;)

I must admit, I do wish the dear tin dog would appear more in SJA... I did love him so in classic Who (especially the Key To Time). I would say I look forward to the K9 Adventures boxset coming out with "The Invisible Enemy" in it... but... alas, I fear I will not be able to watch it. Ever since seeing "The Fantastic Voyage" as a child I've had an irrational feeling of horrific nausea come over me whenever in any show there's a "going inside someone's body" theme... Even now, I just can't seem to shake it... :(

Major Clanger
April 8th, 2008, 05:27 AM
*blushes*
FO Bennett called me "dear"

I know what you mean - I still worry every time I get an injection.

wise one
April 8th, 2008, 03:06 PM
For a multi million drug biusness, foster could only get 2 guards???

The_Carpenter
April 8th, 2008, 03:20 PM
For a multi million drug biusness, foster could only get 2 guards???
She was trying not to draw unwanted attention, having a army of guards in a call centre detracts from that ;)

GATEGOD
April 8th, 2008, 03:58 PM
I hate Donna. Love Rose. Love Martha. Oh the pain :*(

Major Clanger
April 8th, 2008, 10:56 PM
I hate Donna. Love Rose. Love Martha. Oh the pain :*(

Is that because you came to who with Rose as the assistant? A straw poll of my offline acquaintences shows that we all like our first assistant a lot and it takes time to adjust to the change.

Strangely not so much for the Doctors. My favourite is John Pertwee, but I know that he wasn't my first doctor. (favourite assistant.... hmmm... I'd have to think about that)

ShadowMaat
April 8th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Rose was my "first" Companion but by the end I loathed her and wished her massive eternal suffering damnation. Liked Martha and am liking Donna so far. So there. :P

Reefgirl
April 9th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Sarah-Jane was my first assistant, I'll always love her, I liked Ace and Tegan too, I couldn't stand Mel and Peri

Madeleine
April 9th, 2008, 01:36 AM
Romana was my first. But so many other programmes I watched - Play School, Blue Peter, Blakes Seven - had changing presenters or main characters, that I thought little of it when Romana left; par for the course.

My favourite old companion was Teegan. It's a bit hard to say who my favourite new one is, because I like Donna better than I did Rose or Martha at this stage; but if I'm allowed to count Mickey and Jack, then... my reply has to be anyone but Rose.

Pitry
April 9th, 2008, 02:18 AM
Is that because you came to who with Rose as the assistant? A straw poll of my offline acquaintences shows that we all like our first assistant a lot and it takes time to adjust to the change.

Strangely not so much for the Doctors. My favourite is John Pertwee, but I know that he wasn't my first doctor. (favourite assistant.... hmmm... I'd have to think about that)

Rose was my "first", but so far I love all three of them - and a fair number of the old companions.

Other than Mel. Eurgh, Mel. I mean, I'm not crazy about Jo, Teegan, Leelahand Peri either, but there's them and then there's... Mel.

Major Clanger
April 9th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Teegan used to annoy the pants off me (still does). I liked Leela too. And Adric. And Romana. Sarah-Jane. K9. Micky...

The_Carpenter
April 9th, 2008, 03:49 AM
I was fairly neutral to Rose in season 1 but began to dislike her in season 2... Martha on the other hand was awesome.... well when she wasnt pining after the Doctor.

Its too early to have a verdict on Donna yet, I'll have a better idea about her after Saturday night ;)

AvatarIII
April 9th, 2008, 04:07 AM
I was fairly neutral to Rose in season 1 but began to dislike her in season 2... Martha on the other hand was awesome.... well when she wasnt pining after the Doctor.

Its too early to have a verdict on Donna yet, I'll have a better idea about her after Saturday night ;)

wow, i couldn't have further different opinions of you. i hated rose in 1, liked her in 2, and was rather indifferent to martha.
i feel donna is 100 times better than she was in the runaway bride, and i get better feelings about her family than roses or marthas (i hated both their families) and i think that is important.

Gate-builder
April 9th, 2008, 04:25 AM
i feel donna is 100 times better than she was in the runaway bride, and i get better feelings about her family than roses or marthas (i hated both their families) and i think that is important.

Have to agree with you there. Donna was just plain annoying in runaway bride, really got on my nerves. She is like a different person now, and since she has made it clear she doesn't want to 'mate' with the doctor hopefully we won't have to endure the whole companion falling for the doctor thing again.

I didn't mind Roses family too much, but Marthas mum is an annoying cow, and Donnas grandma seemed a bit the same, but her gramps was just hilarious at the end of the episode, hopefully we see a bit more of him, he could be a really cool character.

The_Carpenter
April 9th, 2008, 04:33 AM
Have to agree with you there. Donna was just plain annoying in runaway bride, really got on my nerves. She is like a different person now, and since she has made it clear she doesn't want to 'mate' with the doctor hopefully we won't have to endure the whole companion falling for the doctor thing again.

Exactly, though I am with holding judgement on the "new" Donna until I see her in a serious episode ;)


I didn't mind Roses family too much, but Marthas mum is an annoying cow, and Donnas grandma seemed a bit the same, but her gramps was just hilarious at the end of the episode, hopefully we see a bit more of him, he could be a really cool character.

Roses family grew on me I could of done without Micky though. As for Marthas mum it was vital to the plot that she came across as a annoying cow thankfully she didnt show up that much.

Donnas family seem awesome Gramps is a legend, and I like Donnas mum (at least I thought it was her mum :p)

AvatarIII
April 9th, 2008, 05:02 AM
Exactly, though I am with holding judgement on the "new" Donna until I see her in a serious episode ;)



Roses family grew on me I could of done without Micky though. As for Marthas mum it was vital to the plot that she came across as a annoying cow thankfully she didnt show up that much.

Donnas family seem awesome Gramps is a legend, and I like Donnas mum (at least I thought it was her mum :p)

yeah... do you know if he's the same character as was in VotD? i can't remember if it was referenced in the ep.

The_Carpenter
April 9th, 2008, 05:09 AM
yeah... do you know if he's the same character as was in VotD? i can't remember if it was referenced in the ep.
His the same character :D, though it wasnt mentioned the episode cos it was meant to Donnas Dad who whose in TRB but the actor died whilst filming so they stuck Bernad Cribbins in instead.

AvatarIII
April 9th, 2008, 05:14 AM
His the same character :D, though it wasnt mentioned the episode cos it was meant to Donnas Dad who whose in TRB but the actor died whilst filming so they stuck Bernad Cribbins in instead.

oh no :( bernard cribbins rules though. was he going to be in a later episode, or did they just do a quick rewrite of the dad character throughout the whole series do you know?

The_Carpenter
April 9th, 2008, 05:23 AM
quick rewrite through out I believe

AvatarIII
April 9th, 2008, 05:33 AM
well, it's a shame about the cause, but i'm happy about the effect

rosey_angel
April 9th, 2008, 06:00 AM
WOW this was a great ep!

great intro to the new donna, and i loved the beginning when the pair kept missing each other. and when they saw each other through the windows and were miming i was rolling around laughing so hard. they're both such great actors, i think this season is gonna be tops

and ROSE! OMG rose! hologram rose!

ShadowMaat
April 9th, 2008, 09:29 AM
That reminds me, WTF is up with RTD's Mommy issues? Rose's mum was annoying, Martha's mum was irritating and now Donna's mum (it is mum, yes?) is obnoxious. Just once I'd like to have a Companion with a NICE family. Or are we meant to believe that the people with nice families wouldn't have a need to travel with the Doctor? 'Cos damn, that'd shoot my chances straight to hell. ;)

GATEGOD
April 9th, 2008, 08:35 PM
WOW this was a great ep!

great intro to the new donna, and i loved the beginning when the pair kept missing each other. and when they saw each other through the windows and were miming i was rolling around laughing so hard. they're both such great actors, i think this season is gonna be tops

and ROSE! OMG rose! hologram rose!

The only good part of the episode? ;) ^_^

Pitry
April 10th, 2008, 01:25 AM
That reminds me, WTF is up with RTD's Mommy issues? Rose's mum was annoying, Martha's mum was irritating and now Donna's mum (it is mum, yes?) is obnoxious. Just once I'd like to have a Companion with a NICE family. Or are we meant to believe that the people with nice families wouldn't have a need to travel with the Doctor? 'Cos damn, that'd shoot my chances straight to hell. ;)

He said on Confidential he loves having mothers and daughters sniping at each other. guess that's the basis of it :)

Matt G
April 10th, 2008, 03:52 PM
Just caught this on iplayer.

1. OK I can buy Donna going into the supernatural investigation business.

2. The scene with the miming was a bit dodgy though.

3. Fair enough plot, not like the Doctor can punish the Adipose themselves, they're probably not aware of how they're born.

4. "Hang on...is that Rose...what the hell..."

OK enough starter but am expecting better eps before the series is out.

The_Carpenter
April 10th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Just caught this on iplayer.

1. OK I can buy Donna going into the supernatural investigation business.

2. The scene with the miming was a bit dodgy though.

3. Fair enough plot, not like the Doctor can punish the Adipose themselves, they're probably not aware of how they're born.

4. "Hang on...is that Rose...what the hell..."

OK enough starter but am expecting better eps before the series is out.
I think this season is going to be even stronger than season 3 :D the season premieres for Who are always a little bit out there and silly :)

Trek_Girl42
April 10th, 2008, 06:13 PM
Regarding first companions, my first companion was Rose, and I like all three (four if you count Jack!) for different reasons. I have a suspicion that Donna will win out over Martha, but still too early to tell. Great start for her though with this ep, and Gramps is the best family member. Loved him, and I want to see him again this series (and I've never said that about family members). :D

Willow'sCat
April 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
For a multi million drug biusness, foster could only get 2 guards???
That is a good point. :p I think they were her personal body guards but yeah the whole buliding or suite only has two?

My first companion on Who was Jo Grant (Katy Manning...eg Barry Crocker's partner)... I am hoping to meet her in November in Brisvegas where I am also hoping to meet David Hewlett. :D

*wonders if she would sign that photo* :p

Mattathias2.0
April 12th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Overall, for a season premiere it was expectedly rather "eventful yet uneventful". By that I mean something really big happened (for season 3, a hospital was transported to the moon), and it will be forgotten in the future (I don't recall the event being mentioned since the episode aired). More or less, it's only the beginning and I won't get too concerned until episodes 8 or 9, if things haven't started building up yet. But from what I understand, RTD has stated that this year there will be elements from every episode dealing with the finale, no big binding words, with "small but vital references going all the way back to series one." Also something about the Medusa Cascade coming back to haunt us.

Overall, what I expected in terms of quality this early in the season. looking forward to episodes 4-6, and onward.

AvatarIII
April 14th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Overall, for a season premiere it was expectedly rather "eventful yet uneventful". By that I mean something really big happened (for season 3, a hospital was transported to the moon), and it will be forgotten in the future (I don't recall the event being mentioned since the episode aired). More or less, it's only the beginning and I won't get too concerned until episodes 8 or 9, if things haven't started building up yet. But from what I understand, RTD has stated that this year there will be elements from every episode dealing with the finale, no big binding words, with "small but vital references going all the way back to series one." Also something about the Medusa Cascade coming back to haunt us.

Overall, what I expected in terms of quality this early in the season. looking forward to episodes 4-6, and onward.

spoilers for ep 2

it seems by episode 2 we've already had 2 references to planets that have been "lost"!!!

MasySyma
April 25th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Yeah for a cute episode! Generally, I am not a fan of the episodes where the writers aim for the younger members of the audience, but I thought this episode was quite amusing, and I kept cracking up at the Adipose.

I agree that the Donna/Doctor chase got a bit long-winded, and the miming scene was on the edge between cute and beyond hideous, and one second more would have tipped it the other way. Thankfully, it ended when it did. So far, I like Donna as a companion, but, then, I liked her in TRB.

I agree that I would like to see a companion with a normal mother, but I liked her granddad. Did they show Donna's father? I read online that this episode is 48 minutes long, and since SciFi only shows 41 minutes of programming, they likely killed a few scenes.

Are the baby Adipose ever bad guys (besides cosuming bone in emergencies) or do they just wave as they did in most scenes? By the way, the knitted versions in other theards look quite good now that I've seen the originals. :)

The episode does have one "huh?" moment for me though, and that was the Rose-like person we saw at the end. That individual did not look much like Rose. Yes, she looked similar, but I agree that this Rose was a bit mannish. Did she say anything that Scifi cut? I just saw her stare blankly, turn, and fade out. Overall, I wasn't terribly impressed by her.

I liked Partners in Crime better than Smith and Jones but less than New Earth. I'll give a 8.5 out a 10, but it was a great start for the season.

And about the companion preferences, I'm apparently disloyal. Rose was my first companion, and I enjoyed her presence at first; however, halfway through Series 2, I wanted to see her shoved out of an airlock at times. I was thrilled to see her go, and I liked Martha originally. However, after her pining and whining, especially in Human Nature, I was more than ready to trade her in for a new model. So far, I like Donna, and I hope that she doesn't develop feelings for the Doctor. I'm not sure I have a favorite companion unless it is Jack. I enjoy him more in Doctor Who than in Torchwood, and I wish he would travel with the good Doctor more.

The_Carpenter
April 26th, 2008, 01:37 AM
Yeah for a cute episode! Generally, I am not a fan of the episodes where the writers aim for the younger members of the audience, but I thought this episode was quite amusing, and I kept cracking up at the Adipose.

I feel the same, with PiC I feel they finally managed to make a episode aimed at the kids and make it watch able for adults as well.



I agree that I would like to see a companion with a normal mother, but I liked her granddad. Did they show Donna's father? I read online that this episode is 48 minutes long, and since SciFi only shows 41 minutes of programming, they likely killed a few scenes.

The actor who played Donnas father sadly died during filming so story wise Donnas grandfather is filling that role.


Are the baby Adipose ever bad guys (besides cosuming bone in emergencies) or do they just wave as they did in most scenes? By the way, the knitted versions in other theards look quite good now that I've seen the originals. :)

Nope they are just babies after all ;)


The episode does have one "huh?" moment for me though, and that was the Rose-like person we saw at the end. That individual did not look much like Rose. Yes, she looked similar, but I agree that this Rose was a bit mannish. Did she say anything that Scifi cut? I just saw her stare blankly, turn, and fade out. Overall, I wasn't terribly impressed by her.

That was Rose, and that will be explained at some point towards the end of the series

Flyboy
April 26th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Yeah for a cute episode! Generally, I am not a fan of the episodes where the writers aim for the younger members of the audience, but I thought this episode was quite amusing, and I kept cracking up at the Adipose.

I agree that the Donna/Doctor chase got a bit long-winded, and the miming scene was on the edge between cute and beyond hideous, and one second more would have tipped it the other way. Thankfully, it ended when it did. So far, I like Donna as a companion, but, then, I liked her in TRB.

I agree that I would like to see a companion with a normal mother, but I liked her granddad. Did they show Donna's father? I read online that this episode is 48 minutes long, and since SciFi only shows 41 minutes of programming, they likely killed a few scenes.

Are the baby Adipose ever bad guys (besides cosuming bone in emergencies) or do they just wave as they did in most scenes? By the way, the knitted versions in other theards look quite good now that I've seen the originals. :)

The episode does have one "huh?" moment for me though, and that was the Rose-like person we saw at the end. That individual did not look much like Rose. Yes, she looked similar, but I agree that this Rose was a bit mannish. Did she say anything that Scifi cut? I just saw her stare blankly, turn, and fade out. Overall, I wasn't terribly impressed by her.

I liked Partners in Crime better than Smith and Jones but less than New Earth. I'll give a 8.5 out a 10, but it was a great start for the season.

And about the companion preferences, I'm apparently disloyal. Rose was my first companion, and I enjoyed her presence at first; however, halfway through Series 2, I wanted to see her shoved out of an airlock at times. I was thrilled to see her go, and I liked Martha originally. However, after her pining and whining, especially in Human Nature, I was more than ready to trade her in for a new model. So far, I like Donna, and I hope that she doesn't develop feelings for the Doctor. I'm not sure I have a favorite companion unless it is Jack. I enjoy him more in Doctor Who than in Torchwood, and I wish he would travel with the good Doctor more.
I'm so glad someone agrees with me that she looked blokey.

jakebolt
April 28th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Ok I have to wonder what that was all about. When Donna went to tell someone about her car, she just happened to tell Rose. Then like a ghost she just dissappeared. What exactly happened?

Matt G
April 28th, 2008, 04:17 PM
She was probably returning to the alternate reality we last saw her in!

jakebolt
April 28th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Do you mean she can go back and forth? From D. to D.

MasySyma
April 28th, 2008, 07:00 PM
I don't think that she can go back and forth. I think the worlds are blending into each other. Rose was staring rather blankly, but her look would be appropriate if she were looking out of a window at something distant. She likely turned and went on with her life in her world but never saw or heard Donna.

Alipeeps
April 29th, 2008, 08:20 AM
Do you mean she can go back and forth? From D. to D.

We don't know. That's the whole point. It was supposed to be a mysterious tease. We won't know what's really happening there until later in the season.


I don't think that she can go back and forth. I think the worlds are blending into each other. Rose was staring rather blankly, but her look would be appropriate if she were looking out of a window at something distant. She likely turned and went on with her life in her world but never saw or heard Donna.

Oh I dunno.. it looked like she could see/hear Donna. We'll just have to see I guess...

nx01a
May 9th, 2008, 01:53 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Torchwood has me expecting a higher body count per alien invasion, but this was a fun romp with only 2 casualties.

Donna running around trying to find The Doctor by following strange happenings is interesting, and she's quite good with her pseudo-psychic paper credit card. :P

I loved the bags upon bags she had packed. No other companion has had the sense to go home and pack before running off with a strange alien man in a blue box, but Donna had them ready and waiting.

I'm glad they acknowledged the past shippiness with the other companions, and Donna set the ground rules of being 'mates' in the British pub sense. The Doctor semi-dumbing down the necklace device to no one in particular and the camera shots of a large, vacant Tardis really struck home his loneliness. And he forgot inviting Donna to travel with him?! The man must have one in every port. Does he ever not invite young women to travel with him? :D

The plot itself was a bit childish, literally, but I especially enjoyed Donna putting up with The Doctor's slightly patronizing 'You're not smart enough to help me' tone and asking what she could do to help, what he needed, and giving it to him. The parallel investigations were cool, as was the bathroom reveal. And what was with those security guys? Shoot holes in the centre of a wooden door and then it falls down like it doesn't have hinges? Er? And wasn't that big underground serviceway the same one The Doctor and Donna were running down during their Xmas special?

I assume Rose was a projection, just like The Doctor did to reach her. I wonder what her appearance has to do with the disappearance of the bees?:P I hope she and The Doctor never meet, and that she only interacts with Donna and Martha. Their separation is tragic, getting them back together wouldn't serve any purpose. The Doctor never got to say what he wanted to her but they both know, leave it at that.

High hopes for Donna as a companion.

nx01a
May 9th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Did I mention the Adipose were flying a Walkers of Sigma 957 ship? :P Either that or Earthforce One. :D I love Babylon 5 crossovers.

Pharaoh Atem
October 7th, 2008, 03:00 PM
DOCTOR
The last time, with Martha, like I said it... it got complicated. And that was all my fault. I just want a mate.

DONNA (shocked disgust)
You just want TO MATE???

DOCTOR
I just want a mate!

DONNA
You're not mating with me, sunshine!

DOCTOR
A mate, I want a mate!

hillirous

gateship15
October 8th, 2008, 02:21 AM
DOCTOR
The last time, with Martha, like I said it... it got complicated. And that was all my fault. I just want a mate.

DONNA (shocked disgust)
You just want TO MATE???

DOCTOR
I just want a mate!

DONNA
You're not mating with me, sunshine!

DOCTOR
A mate, I want a mate!

hillirous

yea i agree thats funny i love the doctor and donna its a very funny combo

Pharaoh Atem
October 9th, 2008, 04:27 AM
yea i agree thats funny i love the doctor and donna its a very funny combo

yea it fun having two funny people together :D

Catherine really worked out well on the series

MmmmMcKAy
November 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM
This episode was a bit of a disappointment. Not an auspicious beginning to series 4 of Doctor Who.

The whole fat babies plot was kinda stupid.

gateship15
November 21st, 2008, 10:21 PM
hmm yes it was kind of. donna still hadn't won me over at this time but the doctor and Donna talking across the room was so good.

Ishay
April 27th, 2009, 06:23 PM
theDoctor's and Donna mimed conversation is just small taste of the humor that is to come this season :)

fun ep making you think the doc and donna were working together

gateship15
April 28th, 2009, 03:03 AM
agreed great episode

Cold Fuzz
January 31st, 2010, 09:37 PM
A lot of the humor for me came was because the Donna & the Doc kept missing each other by a few seconds each time they got near each other. That little tension was paid off with the great pantomimed conversation at Adipose HQ.

gateship15
January 31st, 2010, 10:22 PM
lol i agree

AresLover452
May 6th, 2010, 06:03 PM
I really love this episode. My fave part is where Donna se's the Doctor on the window washer and they are having that hand gesture lip conversation.... so hilarious!!!

gateship15
May 6th, 2010, 08:46 PM
lol i agree i like that they are so into that conversation they don't notice thy have been seen and they lady asks if they are interrupting something lol

AresLover452
May 6th, 2010, 10:47 PM
lmao!! that was so awesome!! and I love it!!

gateship15
May 7th, 2010, 12:26 AM
me to i found donna one of the funner companions

AresLover452
May 7th, 2010, 09:29 PM
She was so great!! Just letting go and taking on the Doctor no matter what... lmao!! I just love Donna and this episode.

gateship15
May 8th, 2010, 12:10 AM
me to shes a great companion to bad about what happens to her

AresLover452
May 24th, 2010, 11:39 PM
I loved how she had her tongue sticking out when they got caught.

gateship15
May 25th, 2010, 12:05 AM
lol me to that was the best seen

AresLover452
May 25th, 2010, 12:08 AM
That was so the BEST!!

Or when she pulled in and then the TARDIS was not ten feet away from her car. I was like DONNA TURN AROUND!!!

gateship15
May 25th, 2010, 02:34 AM
lol i loved that and when they revised she parked so close lol

AresLover452
May 31st, 2010, 08:41 PM
that was hilarious.. lol!!

gateship15
June 1st, 2010, 12:10 AM
i agree it was i was sad to see her go great character great actor

maneth
April 23rd, 2013, 08:58 AM
Funny episode, and wonderful to have the Doctor back on TV here... :D