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March 20th, 2008, 05:17 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 408</FONT>
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Sayid and Desmond confront Ben's spy on the freighter, who is someone they never expected to see again. Michael reveals what led him from life in New York back to the island.

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Suzotchka
March 20th, 2008, 06:08 PM
I absolutely loved this episode. So Michael and Walt do make it back but can't tell anyone who they are and they aren't considered part of the "Oceanic 6".

And as for who is in the coffin...
I think it's gotta be Michael.

TheGreatLordGeorge
March 20th, 2008, 08:04 PM
This was the first episode that relied on the flashback for it's primary storytelling as far as i know.


It wasn't a bad episode, hope rosseau isnt dead

AzMcNeil
March 20th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Holy crap! Stupid flashbacks hid the fact that Widmore's people invaded the island. Next week is gonna be a war zone!

JayShadow
March 20th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Holy crap! Stupid flashbacks hid the fact that Widmore's people invaded the island. Next week is gonna be a war zone!

Might have been the Others getting rid of the people that don't deserve to be at the temple.

No episode until the end of next month...so next month is gonna be a war zone!

memnarch
March 20th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Might have been the Others getting rid of the people that don't deserve to be at the temple.

No episode until the end of next month...so next month is gonna be a war zone!

I hadn't considered that the Others might've been the ones shooting. As far as whether Karl or Rousseau are dead, I'm pretty sure Rousseau's alive, as spoilers have said that one person would die and the other would get shot. However, I'm also sure because Rousseau's been promised a flashback episode and that hasn't occurred yet.

I'm thinking that Sayid turning Michael in may be the thing that Ben said he did when he "thought with his heart." The fact that Tom was gay was no shock whatsoever. Seriously, how could Kate NOT be his type unless he was gay?

If I have one complaint it's that the flashback went on a little long, particularly the beginning. The buildup was a little slow. That time could've been better spent on the Island or the Freighter. But what's done is done.

Overall, I agree with the official Gateworld rating: **1/2

Sp!der
March 21st, 2008, 10:20 AM
well.. i had little more expectation after those great episodes...
but with michael back... its great..i dont like him, but i think he is a part of LOST and he is a very important part of the story. I also think that Rosseau isnt dead.
poor karl. i think the actor of tom is a great actor so sadly he isnt in lost anymore as a regular cast..

knowles2
March 21st, 2008, 11:44 AM
A very interesting episode.
It seem good old Smokey wanted the boat not to be blown up. That to me mean Smokey and or the island if they are not one in the must wanted the freighter crew to reach the island. Or may be it just wanted Micheal back, same as it seem to want hurly back. Or perhaps it wants the boat people to take care of Ben.

Looks like ben finally got rid of his daughter boyfriend, well he has wanted him dead for like ages now, guest it was gonna happen sooner or later.

An we still do not know who damn set the fake plane up. Ben gang blaming wigmore gang and it wigmore gang are blaming Ben gang, who wanna bet it neither of them and neither of them really know who done it, ME.

The other bits of the episode was bit boring, they pretty much written walt out of the show.

I really want to know what this temple is but I guest that for next half of the season when we will perhaps finally meet up with the rest of the others.

What I also found interesting was that Smokey/island still had considerable powers of the island, including preventing all of micheal attempts to kill himself.


Whole and here a plot hole, although the recovery of the bodies may be expressive, why not identified the bodies using the on board camera of the unman submarine, I mean at least identified the bodies by their faces.
And what about hurly money, although it be expensive, is hundred of million dollars would most likely paid the majority of cost, most families would want have their son body to bury, no matter what the cost.

JayShadow
March 21st, 2008, 12:09 PM
The other bits of the episode was bit boring, they pretty much written walt out of the show.

I think with the flash forwards and the vision of him last year they've pretty much written him back into the show if they want. They couldn't have him in the flashback since he's grown a lot, but with the story moving forward he can come back pretty easily. I doubt the island is finished with him either since he's special.

JohnRico
March 21st, 2008, 01:59 PM
I think with the flash forwards and the vision of him last year they've pretty much written him back into the show if they want. They couldn't have him in the flashback since he's grown a lot, but with the story moving forward he can come back pretty easily. I doubt the island is finished with him either since he's special.

Walts grandma said he wakes up every night in the middle of the night screaming. My guess is he is being haunted by Shannon since he trusted her with Vincent & I guess they did become friends

marty2006
March 21st, 2008, 07:53 PM
It was defo the others who killed karl and shot rousseau (see what i did their :P) yea id guess rousseau is still alive. It was obvious from tom and kates little shower scene he was queer. Shame we gotta wait now for the remaining 5 episodes.

SoulReaver
March 22nd, 2008, 03:40 AM
I hadn't considered that the Others might've been the ones shooting. As far as whether Karl or Rousseau are dead, I'm pretty sure Rousseau's alive, as spoilers have said that one person would die and the other would get shot. However, I'm also sure because Rousseau's been promised a flashback episode and that hasn't occurred yet.that would make sense - she's part of the family (Alyx's mother) plus she was shot on the right side (then again so was Karl so I guess both ain't dead but the island gets to choose who live ??)
then again why did they shoot Rousseau - didn't they know Alyx was her daughter ? :confused:



and why the hell did Saïd turn in Michael ? don't make frakkin sense - like he still trusts the boat people :tealcanime49:

knowles2
March 22nd, 2008, 05:13 AM
and why the hell did Saïd turn in Michael ? don't make frakkin sense - like he still trusts the boat people :tealcanime49:


Well that simple, Syid does not trust the boat people, he also does not trust ben who would. He knows that ben serious he would of planted more than one spy on that boat, and a spy more reliable than Micheal at that. By turning in syid he's gets the captain on side, plus may force the other spy to show his hand. Also by showing the captain he can be trusted he may learn more about wigmor people and whether they truly intend to rescue the losties or kill them. Or as I think they have not got a clue what to do about the losties and waiting for instructions. And plus really syid just does not give a **** about Micheal anymore guest that what happens after someone kill two of your friends.

marty2006
March 22nd, 2008, 05:28 AM
Well that simple, Syid does not trust the boat people, he also does not trust ben who would. He knows that ben serious he would of planted more than one spy on that boat, and a spy more reliable than Micheal at that. By turning in syid he's gets the captain on side, plus may force the other spy to show his hand. Also by showing the captain he can be trusted he may learn more about wigmor people and whether they truly intend to rescue the losties or kill them. Or as I think they have not got a clue what to do about the losties and waiting for instructions. And plus really syid just does not give a **** about Micheal anymore guest that what happens after someone kill two of your friends.

lol its widmore

SoulReaver
March 22nd, 2008, 05:34 AM
Well that simple, Syid does not trust the boat people, he also does not trust ben who would. He knows that ben serious he would of planted more than one spy on that boat, and a spy more reliable than Micheal at that. By turning in syid he's gets the captain on side, plus may force the other spy to show his hand. Also by showing the captain he can be trusted he may learn more about wigmor people and whether they truly intend to rescue the losties or kill them. Or as I think they have not got a clue what to do about the losties and waiting for instructions. And plus really syid just does not give a **** about Micheal anymore guest that what happens after someone kill two of your friends.the last part is understandable but the problem is there's absolutely no reason to believe that Ben had more than 1 spy on the boat. in which case what Saïd did was a tactical mistake plain & simple, and you'd expect better from someone like him

SoulReaver
March 22nd, 2008, 06:15 AM
btw there's a goa'uld on the boat - did anyone else spot him ? http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/idee.gif

PengYn
March 22nd, 2008, 06:53 AM
btw there's a goa'uld on the boat - did anyone else spot him ? http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/idee.gif

Hee. I'm automatically calling him Zipacna. It doesn't matter what his character's name might be, my brain knows him as something else and there he seems to stay.

Dusk
March 22nd, 2008, 07:28 AM
The episode did well considering it was pieced together during the events that led to the writer's strike. I agree with what most of you have said here, but I especially enjoyed seeing Tom and Libby! Great stuff!

Anyone else notice the actress from SG-1's first season episode "Thor's Hammer" as Michael's medical carer? So I guess that makes two for the SG-1 actor's list.

I look forward to seeing The Temple and what has been happening with the Others, particularly Richard and Amelia (who are apparently both crucial to the story).

Poor Michael, will they ever forgive him?

And my hope for the final 5 eps is that we get more Island spookiness and tighter character moments for those cast members that took a back seat in the first half of this season, such as Claire and Sawyer.

Also would love to see a flash forward for someone left back on the island.

Show returns April 24.

SoulReaver
March 22nd, 2008, 07:44 AM
Hee. I'm automatically calling him Zipacna. It doesn't matter what his character's name might be, my brain knows him as something else and there he seems to stay. yeah same here. in fact I could've sworn his eyes glowed :|

marty2006
March 22nd, 2008, 08:02 AM
btw there's a goa'uld on the boat - did anyone else spot him ? http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/idee.gif

Lol yea, he was in Wild Hogs aswel. He was in Ray Liottas biker gang along with a Mr M.C Gainey.

Amalthea
March 22nd, 2008, 11:46 AM
That was a good episode. Poor Alex... her boyfriend and long lost mom getting shot before her eyes. It was a good call for her to stand up and say she's Ben's daughter since whoever it is that was shooting, they'd want her for something.

I don't think this episode disproves that Michael isn't one of the 6. He's technically back at the island, if not on it yet, and he could have re-escaped with the other 5.

Writing Walt out was inevitable. The show has been on for 4 years, but only what, 3 months have passed on the island? It's kinda hard to pass a 14 year old off as a 10 year old, especially since I'm sure the actor was older than 10 when he was cast.

I hate waiting!!

JayShadow
March 22nd, 2008, 11:26 PM
I don't think this episode disproves that Michael isn't one of the 6. He's technically back at the island, if not on it yet, and he could have re-escaped with the other 5.

The promo after the episode disproves it because it shows all 6.

Oceanic_Jack
March 23rd, 2008, 01:59 PM
Noooo! They can't kill Danielle off, I thought she was meant to be getting a flashback. It was good to see 'Libby' haunting Michael.

marty2006
March 23rd, 2008, 02:08 PM
Noooo! They can't kill Danielle off, I thought she was meant to be getting a flashback. It was good to see 'Libby' haunting Michael.

I seriously doubt shes dead, karl on the otherhand is a goner.

Aerilon
March 25th, 2008, 06:21 AM
If I remember correctly, it was said that two people would be dead by the end of these eight episodes. Those two people, I think, are Karl, and Jin. Danielle is still alive, just hurt (been shot).

The move Sayid made, by taking Micheal to the captian was a stupid one in my opinion. He should know from experiance that the captain is not to be trusted. I do however not believe Micheal is going to be in any trouble anytime soon.

Did anyone else notice the reaction (or lack of it) on the Captian's face when Sayid said about Micheal. It is almost as if the Captain knew that Micheal was Micheal, and not Kevin.

Chances are, either Widmore allowed Micheal on the boat for his own purposes, or the Captian of the Frigate is too, working for Ben.

I also ponder whether it would be Micheal in the Coffin too... A lot is beginning to make sense now, Micheal wanting to die, and it fits perfectly with Jacks' answer of neither Friend nor Family.

SoulReaver
March 25th, 2008, 02:20 PM
I seriously doubt shes dead, karl on the otherhand is a goner.thing is, both were shot in the same spot : the right lung. very serious but not critical injury -

so why would only one recover & not the other ? :tealcanime49:

marty2006
March 25th, 2008, 03:49 PM
thing is, both were shot in the same spot : the right lung. very serious but not critical injury -

so why would only one recover & not the other ? :tealcanime49:

Very true, im only basing it on the fact we were promised a flashback of rousseau's, then again you know what the producers are like.

SoulReaver
March 26th, 2008, 04:34 AM
Very true, im only basing it on the fact we were promised a flashback of rousseau's, then again you know what the producers are like.I reckon they'll play the "island chooses who lives" card again

I mean both Sharon and John were shot in the gut yet Sharon didn't survive whereas John recovered in no time. guess the same thing with happen again, they'll tell us the island didn't like Karl or something

mr_kennedy
March 26th, 2008, 05:48 AM
^^ maybe thats why ben said your mother will protect you to alex

marty2006
March 26th, 2008, 06:59 AM
I reckon they'll play the "island chooses who lives" card again

I mean both Sharon and John were shot in the gut yet Sharon didn't survive whereas John recovered in no time. guess the same thing with happen again, they'll tell us the island didn't like Karl or something

Thing is though locke said he would have died when ben shot him, had his kidney not been removed :P

SoulReaver
March 26th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Thing is though locke said he would have died when ben shot him, had his kidney not been removed :Pno sure though, you can live with just one kidney ^^

JayShadow
March 26th, 2008, 09:47 PM
no sure though, you can live with just one kidney ^^

Yeah, but you can live less with a bullet lodged in one of your kidneys. It's not like the kidney is gonna shut itself off and remove itself from his body :)

girlinabox
April 7th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Very true, im only basing it on the fact we were promised a flashback of rousseau's, then again you know what the producers are like.
I hope your right. I'm gonna be p*ssed if they really kill her off.