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MadMax414th
March 13th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I do believe that there would be enough "fans" to count on as a base, I mean, look at AVP, if you make the show of sufficient quality,build in enough info to bring new viewers "up to speed," those that have never seen it, should go see it, along with all those that are already "hooked" from the series. With all the GARBAGE that I see released with sequel upon sequel...I would think we could see a fair profit earned for a solid movie about STARGATE (remember this all started with a successful theater release). That said,I will gladly take the DVD over nothing...this is a series that SCIFI Channel could and should have continued to support! They are always canceling shows prematurely and replacing it with crap!
Max

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Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2008, 07:58 PM
the movie wouldn't have brought in a new fan base people would be confused on stuff that had happen in 10 years and it would suck having to re-tell it all during the movie,

the direct to dvd movies are truly for the fans

KindlyKeller
March 13th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Nope. That time has come and gone. I don't think you could properly explain everything you needed to within the film to set up the plot that followed.

jenks
March 13th, 2008, 09:01 PM
If it was a 'team stuck on another planet' movie it wouldn't take much explaining or back story at all.

Astrofighter
March 13th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Any movie would be a pan to the true fans because it would have to neutral enough to bring in a larger audience. They are not going to do that when they have a sure thing with direct to DVD sales, Atlantis and the shadowy third spin off series in the works.

Why should they take a gamble on something that has worked out very poorly for other similar mediums, hell even a show as popular as the X-Files didn't do that great as a motion picture, how well do you think Stargate would do?

silly sally
March 14th, 2008, 05:22 AM
Sadly, I don't think so. Not enough fans :(

Daniel Jackson
March 14th, 2008, 09:51 AM
MGM was interested in making a theatrical SG-1 movie. Had "Lost City" been the SG-1 movie, it would have been on a big budget and released in theaters. Had the show ended with Season 8 and followed up with a movie, it would have still been released in theaters. Now that the show has lost RDA and features Ben Browder, which only Farscape fans know who he is, and the central enemy is the Ori, whom are no where near as popular as the Goa'uld... the movie would bomb in theaters. People want to see the Jack/Sam/Daniel/Teal'c team fighting the Goa'uld. The casual SG-1 fan doesn't know squat about the final two years of the show. That's why The Ark of Truth was made on a small budget and released directly to video.

Personally, I don't care if a sequel is direct to video so long as it doesn't feel cheap. The Ark of Truth never tried to do stuff beyond it's budget, so it maintained that epic cinematic movie feel. :)

silly sally
March 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM
MGM was interested in making a theatrical SG-1 movie. Had "Lost City" been the SG-1 movie, it would have been on a big budget and released in theaters. Had the show ended with Season 8 and followed up with a movie, it would have still been released in theaters. Now that the show has lost RDA and features Ben Browder, which only Farscape fans know who he is, and the central enemy is the Ori, whom are no where near as popular as the Goa'uld... the movie would bomb in theaters. People want to see the Jack/Sam/Daniel/Teal'c team fighting the Goa'uld. The casual SG-1 fan doesn't know squat about the final two years of the show. That's why The Ark of Truth was made on a small budget and released directly to video.

Personally, I don't care if a sequel is direct to video so long as it doesn't feel cheap. The Ark of Truth never tried to do stuff beyond it's budget, so it maintained that epic cinematic movie feel. :)

Personally I think you're a bit unfair. They made direct to DVD movies because they are cheap to produce and will earn them a huge profit, whereas if they made a big budget theatrical movie would cut into their profit-margins.

Daniel Jackson
March 14th, 2008, 10:16 AM
I'm not being unfair, I'm being realistic. I'm also not bashing the show. Obviously I didn't mind the Ori saga if I was willing to watch the final seasons and see the movie. ;) However, most casual viewers I know hated the whole Ori saga. The movie is aimed at the SG-1 audience, not the mass movie-seeing audience who may or may not have watched the TV show. It just made sense to make a direct-to-video movie.

Liam Kincaid
March 14th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Any movie would be a pan to the true fans because it would have to neutral enough to bring in a larger audience. They are not going to do that when they have a sure thing with direct to DVD sales, Atlantis and the shadowy third spin off series in the works.

Why should they take a gamble on something that has worked out very poorly for other similar mediums, hell even a show as popular as the X-Files didn't do that great as a motion picture, how well do you think Stargate would do?


What about the Star Trek movies? Haven't they done well? Isn't Stargate in that same league? Didn't the original Stargate Movie do well? It sure gets shown on TV quite a bit.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 14th, 2008, 10:42 AM
They could easily do a big budget movie. All they'd have to do is do a quick exposition scene to explain what the SGC is and then base the story around a brand new enemy. Then you don't have to worry about confusing viewers the way a new viewer might not have understood AoT.

Star Trek 2 was basically the sequel to an episode and all they did was give Checkov a line to explain who Khan was. I'd never seen that episode before and the movie made perfect sense.

There's no secret code that says it would have to deal specifically with events from SG-1 or SGA.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 14th, 2008, 10:44 AM
I'm not being unfair, I'm being realistic. I'm also not bashing the show. Obviously I didn't mind the Ori saga if I was willing to watch the final seasons and see the movie. ;) However, most casual viewers I know hated the whole Ori saga. The movie is aimed at the SG-1 audience, not the mass movie-seeing audience who may or may not have watched the TV show. It just made sense to make a direct-to-video movie.

For the ending of the Ori story-arc yeah. But that wouldn't hold up for a new story with a new enemy.

jenks
March 14th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Sadly, I don't think so. Not enough fans :(

Fans aren't an issue. If it was a big budget movie then the fans wouldn't matter, they'd be aiming for a much wider audience.

ascended abydonian
March 14th, 2008, 11:12 AM
personally, I wouldn't want them to try to get it in the theaters. First, they'd probably end up dumbing it down to appeal to non-sg-1 fans. Also, they might change the feel to Stargate to make it seem 'big movie worthy', thus ruining the experience for us long time fans. And finally, there would be more pressure for it to bring in large amounts of money, and if it didn't meet expectations, there would never be any more made.

Pepermint Jaffa
March 14th, 2008, 01:53 PM
What about the Star Trek movies? Haven't they done well? Isn't Stargate in that same league?

No, Stargate is better. ;)

I don't think AOT would have done well in theatres...it was clearly directed to SG-1 fans. But I'm sure they could draw up a standalone script that could hold its own. And it would need RDA.

But personally, I don't care if the rest of the movies are all directed to DVD, as long as we get lots of them. ;)

Mitchell82
March 15th, 2008, 11:58 AM
I do believe that there would be enough "fans" to count on as a base, I mean, look at AVP, if you make the show of sufficient quality,build in enough info to bring new viewers "up to speed," those that have never seen it, should go see it, along with all those that are already "hooked" from the series. With all the GARBAGE that I see released with sequel upon sequel...I would think we could see a fair profit earned for a solid movie about STARGATE (remember this all started with a successful theater release). That said,I will gladly take the DVD over nothing...this is a series that SCIFI Channel could and should have continued to support! They are always canceling shows prematurely and replacing it with crap!
Max

I thought this should be a seperate thread from previous post, please 4give me if I am mistaken
Please tell me you are not comparing Stargate to AVP. Big difference one is crap the other good. However the core audience of SG-1 is not big enough to support a big budget movie. It would flop and end our chance of more movies.

Zandrax
March 15th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Several reasons why a big budget movie wouldn't work.

1. Like the description says, it would be a bigger budget, and thus a larger risk to turn any sort of profit.

2. The fanbase, while loyal, may not be enough to turn said profit. On any given week, about 2 million people watched Stargate on Sci-Fi. Another million or two on syndication. So AT BEST (at least in the States) even if every single weekly fan watched the movie in theaters, you'd be looking at a $20-30 million gross. This is very low by national theater release standards. The bulk of the revenue would have to be shifted to the "casual" or non-fans who wouldn't have any idea how the last two years of the show went.

3. Arguably the biggest star connected to Stargate now is Beau Bridges. Those "non-fans" are less likely to be sold on a movie they know nothing about with stars they don't know about.

4. Serenity

5. On the other hand, even a few hundred thousand DVDs sold (much smaller number) would equal millions in gross sales. Even a small fraction of the weekly viewers buying the DVD would ensure a profitable take and make future movies more likely.

I'm sure there's a few other things I could think of, but that was off the top of my head.

Zandrax
March 15th, 2008, 01:24 PM
No, Stargate is better. ;)

I don't think AOT would have done well in theatres...it was clearly directed to SG-1 fans. But I'm sure they could draw up a standalone script that could hold its own. And it would need RDA.

But personally, I don't care if the rest of the movies are all directed to DVD, as long as we get lots of them. ;)

I'd be more interested in GOOD ones over LOTS of them... :)

Mitchell82
March 15th, 2008, 02:16 PM
Several reasons why a big budget movie wouldn't work.

1. Like the description says, it would be a bigger budget, and thus a larger risk to turn any sort of profit.
Yup and the main reason it won't happen/


2. The fanbase, while loyal, may not be enough to turn said profit. On any given week, about 2 million people watched Stargate on Sci-Fi. Another million or two on syndication. So AT BEST (at least in the States) even if every single weekly fan watched the movie in theaters, you'd be looking at a $20-30 million gross. This is very low by national theater release standards. The bulk of the revenue would have to be shifted to the "casual" or non-fans who wouldn't have any idea how the last two years of the show went.
And with most movies of this calliber the minimum budget is normally $100 mil.


3. Arguably the biggest star connected to Stargate now is Beau Bridges. Those "non-fans" are less likely to be sold on a movie they know nothing about with stars they don't know about.
Some might know Ben but that's about it.


4. Serenity
Perfect example of show-turned-movie-turned-flop.


5. On the other hand, even a few hundred thousand DVDs sold (much smaller number) would equal millions in gross sales. Even a small fraction of the weekly viewers buying the DVD would ensure a profitable take and make future movies more likely.

I'm sure there's a few other things I could think of, but that was off the top of my head.
And that's why they'll stick with this format.

huntress
March 15th, 2008, 02:18 PM
I don't know. The fanbase is certainly large enough but is NBC brave enough to try it. Write to them, have petitions filled out etc and it might happen.

Mitchell82
March 15th, 2008, 05:32 PM
I don't know. The fanbase is certainly large enough but is NBC brave enough to try it. Write to them, have petitions filled out etc and it might happen.

That's the thing I don't think it is big enough.

jelgate
March 15th, 2008, 07:01 PM
And it would be Fox not NBC.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I wish everyone would stop going on about the fan base not being big enough, if they made a big budget movie then the fan base would be irrelevant, it's not like they're going to spend 100 mil and then rely on the fan base to buy it, it would be a film aimed at the general market, like the new Star Trek movie or AVP. Back story wouldn't be a problem, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would learn the basics along with the audience.

Zandrax
March 16th, 2008, 10:48 AM
I wish everyone would stop going on about the fan base not being big enough, if they made a big budget movie then the fan base would be irrelevant, it's not like they're going to spend 100 mil and then rely on the fan base to buy it, it would be a film aimed at the general market, like the new Star Trek movie or AVP. Back story wouldn't be a problem, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would learn the basics along with the audience.

The only problem with this is it would essentially be a remake or relaunch and not something aimed at the existing fanbase.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 10:52 AM
The only problem with this is it would essentially be a remake or relaunch and not something aimed at the existing fanbase.

I don't see how it would be a remake or a relaunch, and why can't it be aimed at the fanbase and a wider audience? If people are talking about a movie aimed solely at the fans then no, it wouldn't stand a chance at the box office.

Ladyinred
March 16th, 2008, 10:54 AM
I wish everyone would stop going on about the fan base not being big enough, if they made a big budget movie then the fan base would be irrelevant, it's not like they're going to spend 100 mil and then rely on the fan base to buy it, it would be a film aimed at the general market, like the new Star Trek movie or AVP. Back story wouldn't be a problem, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would learn the basics along with the audience.

Actually the new character is not that necessary. A movie focused on ONE or TWO of the existing characters taking them into completely new direction would be great idea. It doesn't even need expensive effects and such, good story is the most important thing here. I really would love to see the movie focused on Daniel doing archeological research and Vala helping him.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Actually the new character is not that necessary. A movie focused on ONE or TWO of the existing characters taking them into completely new direction would be great idea. It doesn't even need expensive effects and such, good story is the most important thing here. I really would love to see the movie focused on Daniel doing archeological research and Vala helping him.

But how would someone new to Stargate have any idea what's going on?

Shan Bruce Lee
March 16th, 2008, 12:08 PM
I wish everyone would stop going on about the fan base not being big enough, if they made a big budget movie then the fan base would be irrelevant, it's not like they're going to spend 100 mil and then rely on the fan base to buy it, it would be a film aimed at the general market, like the new Star Trek movie or AVP. Back story wouldn't be a problem, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would learn the basics along with the audience.

And if they introduced a new enemy then all you'd need for a set up is a quick explanation of the SGC's prime directive. They could bring in some new recruits and have them follow SG-1. There. Done. Everything after that could be geared toward old and new fans.

Mitchell82
March 16th, 2008, 12:48 PM
I wish everyone would stop going on about the fan base not being big enough, if they made a big budget movie then the fan base would be irrelevant, it's not like they're going to spend 100 mil and then rely on the fan base to buy it, it would be a film aimed at the general market, like the new Star Trek movie or AVP. Back story wouldn't be a problem, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would learn the basics along with the audience.

I'm sorry jenks I don't agree. The fan base for Stargate is small compared to Star Trek. Don't get me started on AVP.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 12:50 PM
I'm sorry jenks I don't agree. The fan base for Stargate is small compared to Star Trek. Don't get me started on AVP.

Are you taking the piss? Or did you just not read what I wrote?

Mitchell82
March 16th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Are you taking the piss? Or did you just not read what I wrote?

No I read it. The fan base of Stargate worldwide is big but while it succeeds in dvd sales and on cable it doesn't have a big enough fan base to support a $100 mill budget movie. Not without doing a direct sequel to the original movie or a restart.

Ladyinred
March 16th, 2008, 12:59 PM
But how would someone new to Stargate have any idea what's going on?

When you were watching the original Stargate movie for the first time did you have any difficulties with understanding what's going on? Remember that Daniel Jackson is the original character from the movie and it would be actually logical to make a movie focusing on him entirely.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 01:09 PM
No I read it.

Then I suggest reading it again.


The fan base of Stargate worldwide is big but while it succeeds in dvd sales and on cable it doesn't have a big enough fan base to support a $100 mill budget movie. Not without doing a direct sequel to the original movie or a restart.

I never said the fanbase of Stargate could support a $100m movie, in fact my whole point was that it couldn't, and wouldn't be expected to. If they did make a movie it would be aimed a much broader audience. They wouldn't need a remake or a sequel to the original, all they'd need to do is bring in a new character who would be as clueless as audience, and as he/she is brought to speed so would everyone watching.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 01:11 PM
When you were watching the original Stargate movie for the first time did you have any difficulties with understanding what's going on? Remember that Daniel Jackson is the original character from the movie and it would be actually logical to make a movie focusing on him entirely.

No because everything was explained in the original, but it wouldn't be with what you're suggesting. If there was a new movie just focusing on Daniel how would anyone know who he is? What he does? What the hell a Stargate actually is?

Ladyinred
March 16th, 2008, 01:27 PM
No because everything was explained in the original, but it wouldn't be with what you're suggesting. If there was a new movie just focusing on Daniel how would anyone know who he is? What he does? What the hell a Stargate actually is?

Read again what I've written. I mean the ORIGINAL Stargate movie, the one from 1994. Did you need any explanation for what you were watching in the cinema? I didn't.

jenks
March 16th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Read again what I've written. I mean the ORIGINAL Stargate movie, the one from 1994. Did you need any explanation for what you were watching in the cinema? I didn't.

I know, but before that you said:


Actually the new character is not that necessary. A movie focused on ONE or TWO of the existing characters taking them into completely new direction would be great idea.

And I'm saying a movie based on existing characters wouldn't work, because new viewers wouldn't have a clue what was going on. In the first movie Daniel was a new character, so the audience learned about the Stargate as he did, but that wouldn't be the case with new movies.

Jumper_One
March 16th, 2008, 03:03 PM
When you were watching the original Stargate movie for the first time did you have any difficulties with understanding what's going on? Remember that Daniel Jackson is the original character from the movie and it would be actually logical to make a movie focusing on him entirely.

how about a movie focusing on Jack O'Neill as he is the other original character from the 1994 movie? ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
March 16th, 2008, 04:45 PM
"Welcome to Stargate Command. We have 2 dozen teams that explore other worlds by going through a transportation device known as THE STARGATE! (get it? Stargate?)" And then they cut to a shot of the stargate.

That's a paraphrased version of everything you need to set up what Stargate is all about. People would figure out who SG-1 are when the rest of the movie follows their story.