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Daniel Jackson
March 12th, 2008, 05:34 AM
When Daniel learned of the Alterans coming to Earth from the Ori galaxy, I figured they came in Atlantis. It was interesting to see that the cityship in the movie was not Atlantis. I guess this means Atlantis's origins lie in the Milky Way galaxy? Perhaps it was built on Earth? I'd like to see this explored in an episode of SG:A. :sheppard:

Mister Oragahn
March 12th, 2008, 06:15 AM
You think what took off was a cityship? You'd be lucky if it was anything near a villageship.

g.o.d
March 12th, 2008, 06:22 AM
It wasn't Atlantis. It was only a betaversion of Atlantis.

gary83
March 12th, 2008, 06:25 AM
In the first episode of season 9 it only says they left in a great ship

Daniel Jackson
March 12th, 2008, 06:32 AM
Mister Oragahn, have you seen the movie? The ship that left was the size of a mountain! I'd call that a cityship.

G.o.d, I know it wasn't Atlantis. I just said that in my first post.

Gary83, that's why I thought it might have been Atlantis.

RepliVeggie
March 12th, 2008, 12:37 PM
The ship was definately good size but it wasn't near the size of Atlantis. The village below it wasn't that big.

TheGreatLordGeorge
March 12th, 2008, 12:54 PM
the ship was ulbous and rounded. In the extra features you can clearly see the design and while it may be similar it is not atlantis. It was a big ship, but no where near atlantis size.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 12th, 2008, 01:27 PM
I always thought Atlantis was built on Earth so until they say otherwise that's what I'm going with.

Sauron18
March 12th, 2008, 02:23 PM
the ship was ulbous and rounded. In the extra features you can clearly see the design and while it may be similar it is not atlantis. It was a big ship, but no where near atlantis size.
Really? Is there any way someone could take a cap of this? I'm dying to get a better look at the design of the ship :cameron:

DigiFluid
March 12th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Why would you have expected it to have been Atlantis? Ancient technology in our galaxy follows a pretty clear 'monolithic' sort of a design; stone, buttons, moving parts, things that look designed to stand the test of time....not to mention having an orange/black colour scheme.

Atlantis and subsequent Pegasus Ancient technology follows the blue/white glowy, 'everything-is-pointy and made of plastic' design philosophy.

Why would they have changed technology/design philosophies for a few million years in our galaxy, just to revert back when they went to Pegasus?

kirmit
March 12th, 2008, 03:18 PM
I think most of us knew it wasn't Atlantis considering it was built here in the milkyway as their last hope of fleeing the plague after they'd fled their home galaxy.

KatanaFDF
March 12th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Really? Is there any way someone could take a cap of this? I'm dying to get a better look at the design of the ship :cameron:

Can do!
http://i30.tinypic.com/2mn3ae9.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2vdlf82.jpg

Mister Oragahn
March 12th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Mister Oragahn, have you seen the movie? The ship that left was the size of a mountain! I'd call that a cityship.

It took off from a glorified snowy plateau barely big enough to host a village, as far as a I recall.

Here's a story of disapointment:

We learn that the Alterans are from another galaxy. Woah. Why did they move?
A war with the "Ori".
Imagination goes rampant. The Ori are ascended beings, but not limited with pesky rules of non interference. They rule a whole galaxy.
Dang. I have to see that.

They must be ruling an empire of medieval pawns covering many planets, with mighty outdated cities all over the place, and plenty of Ori temples, full of gadgetery.
They must have the ability to built ships in many numbers... on many planets, using all those powers to assemble them effortlessly.

What we see? The Ori empire is nothing more than something like three villages, at best, and we're not even sure that all of them are on different planets anymore.
I expect some massive cities, or huge ruins, anything big you know, the leftover from the clash of two great civilizations which have been travelling through their galaxy and beyond.
Nope, one city, Celestis, and nothing else. Not many fancy things to see there.

As for the ships, well, beyond one valley visibly used to build ships by using primitive structures, there's nothing else to see. We got, what? a total of twelve ori ships?

Ah, of course, I thought the Alterans departed from that galaxy. Oh, that must have been a great exodus. But no. Sorry, we later learn that they left the galaxy in one ship.
One frakin' ship.
Uh.

OK, nevermind! It must have been a glorious ship. Something big, fantastic... of course, considering how Atlantis was a letdown (notably when you compare what we got to what was initially explored), my hopes weren't so high.
Still, I expect something like a worldship, with all Alterans from many planets docking inside that big ass ship, and leaving.

Comes AOT. Nope, it's just another sub Atlantis tug. Yeepee.

Oh but wait, at least that village they departed from... was just one village among many, on another planet!

No. That village is just a chain mountain away from Celestis. So basically, all that great stuff about a formidable conflict of values, opinions and technology, was nothing more than two ******* villages slinging crap at each other.

There are many other things to list, most of them being about what the staff could have added to the Ori lore (we had a thread about what the Ori could have been given) but no, the Ori is just a story about one village with six towers or so grandiloquently called Celestis like if it was anything massive, and that's all.

Sauron18
March 12th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Can do!
http://i30.tinypic.com/2mn3ae9.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2vdlf82.jpg

Nice! Is there any concept art in the special features?

the fifth man
March 12th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I think most of us knew it wasn't Atlantis considering it was built here in the milkyway as their last hope of fleeing the plague after they'd fled their home galaxy.

That is what I've always thought too.

Ltcolshepjumper
March 12th, 2008, 06:40 PM
It took off from a glorified snowy plateau barely big enough to host a village, as far as a I recall.

Here's a story of disapointment:

We learn that the Alterans are from another galaxy. Woah. Why did they move?
A war with the "Ori".
Imagination goes rampant. The Ori are ascended beings, but not limited with pesky rules of non interference. They rule a whole galaxy.
Dang. I have to see that.

They must be ruling an empire of medieval pawns covering many planets, with mighty outdated cities all over the place, and plenty of Ori temples, full of gadgetery.
They must have the ability to built ships in many numbers... on many planets, using all those powers to assemble them effortlessly.

What we see? The Ori empire is nothing more than something like three villages, at best, and we're not even sure that all of them are on different planets anymore.
I expect some massive cities, or huge ruins, anything big you know, the leftover from the clash of two great civilizations which have been travelling through their galaxy and beyond.
Nope, one city, Celestis, and nothing else. Not many fancy things to see there.

As for the ships, well, beyond one valley visibly used to build ships by using primitive structures, there's nothing else to see. We got, what? a total of twelve ori ships?

Ah, of course, I thought the Alterans departed from that galaxy. Oh, that must have been a great exodus. But no. Sorry, we later learn that they left the galaxy in one ship.
One frakin' ship.
Uh.

OK, nevermind! It must have been a glorious ship. Something big, fantastic... of course, considering how Atlantis was a letdown (notably when you compare what we got to what was initially explored), my hopes weren't so high.
Still, I expect something like a worldship, with all Alterans from many planets docking inside that big ass ship, and leaving.

Comes AOT. Nope, it's just another sub Atlantis tug. Yeepee.

Oh but wait, at least that village they departed from... was just one village among many, on another planet!

No. That village is just a chain mountain away from Celestis. So basically, all that great stuff about a formidable conflict of values, opinions and technology, was nothing more than two ******* villages slinging crap at each other.

There are many other things to list, most of them being about what the staff could have added to the Ori lore (we had a thread about what the Ori could have been given) but no, the Ori is just a story about one village with six towers or so grandiloquently called Celestis like if it was anything massive, and that's all.

Yeah, it is kinda lame. The Alterans were COMPLETELY PEACEFUL. The Ori, on the other hand, were prepared to kill them. The Alterans left in a village ship. Celestis, probably constructed long after the Alterans left, was more so the Ori version of Kheb.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 12th, 2008, 07:39 PM
It took off from a glorified snowy plateau barely big enough to host a village, as far as a I recall.

Here's a story of disapointment:

We learn that the Alterans are from another galaxy. Woah. Why did they move?
A war with the "Ori".
Imagination goes rampant. The Ori are ascended beings, but not limited with pesky rules of non interference. They rule a whole galaxy.
Dang. I have to see that.

They must be ruling an empire of medieval pawns covering many planets, with mighty outdated cities all over the place, and plenty of Ori temples, full of gadgetery.
They must have the ability to built ships in many numbers... on many planets, using all those powers to assemble them effortlessly.

What we see? The Ori empire is nothing more than something like three villages, at best, and we're not even sure that all of them are on different planets anymore.
I expect some massive cities, or huge ruins, anything big you know, the leftover from the clash of two great civilizations which have been travelling through their galaxy and beyond.
Nope, one city, Celestis, and nothing else. Not many fancy things to see there.

As for the ships, well, beyond one valley visibly used to build ships by using primitive structures, there's nothing else to see. We got, what? a total of twelve ori ships?

Ah, of course, I thought the Alterans departed from that galaxy. Oh, that must have been a great exodus. But no. Sorry, we later learn that they left the galaxy in one ship.
One frakin' ship.
Uh.

OK, nevermind! It must have been a glorious ship. Something big, fantastic... of course, considering how Atlantis was a letdown (notably when you compare what we got to what was initially explored), my hopes weren't so high.
Still, I expect something like a worldship, with all Alterans from many planets docking inside that big ass ship, and leaving.

Comes AOT. Nope, it's just another sub Atlantis tug. Yeepee.

Oh but wait, at least that village they departed from... was just one village among many, on another planet!

No. That village is just a chain mountain away from Celestis. So basically, all that great stuff about a formidable conflict of values, opinions and technology, was nothing more than two ******* villages slinging crap at each other.

There are many other things to list, most of them being about what the staff could have added to the Ori lore (we had a thread about what the Ori could have been given) but no, the Ori is just a story about one village with six towers or so grandiloquently called Celestis like if it was anything massive, and that's all.

I don't want to sound insulting but it sounds more like you wanted to see a documentary about the Ori galaxy instead of a story.

They can't waste time showing every Prior in every village of the Ori Galaxy during the montage because it would just take forever and be a huge waste of time. It's kinda like the montage of Order 66 in RotS. Just because they didn't show every Jedi being killed doesn't mean it was just the 5 they did show.

Mitchell82
March 12th, 2008, 11:05 PM
I don't want to sound insulting but it sounds more like you wanted to see a documentary about the Ori galaxy instead of a story.

They can't waste time showing every Prior in every village of the Ori Galaxy during the montage because it would just take forever and be a huge waste of time. It's kinda like the montage of Order 66 in RotS. Just because they didn't show every Jedi being killed doesn't mean it was just the 5 they did show.


Don't worry he complains about everything. I respect people's opinions but I can't remember the last time I read he liked something.

DeRoest
March 13th, 2008, 12:47 AM
It wasn't Atlantis. It was only a betaversion of Atlantis.

perhaps the nerdiest thing I heard this week

g.o.d
March 13th, 2008, 07:12 AM
I don't want to sound insulting but it sounds more like you wanted to see a documentary about the Ori galaxy instead of a story .

I would like to see that. It would more interesting than AoT.




They can't waste time showing every Prior in every village of the Ori Galaxy during the montage because it would just take forever and be a huge waste of time. It's kinda like the montage of Order 66 in RotS. Just because they didn't show every Jedi being killed doesn't mean it was just the 5 they did show.

why not? Insteadof National Geographic, they could have made a scene when we saw Ori cities (when they weren't ascended) in flashbacks

g.o.d
March 13th, 2008, 07:14 AM
perhaps the nerdiest thing I heard this week

what do you mean?

Mitchell82
March 13th, 2008, 02:29 PM
what do you mean?

I'm as confused as you. That was a valid point you made an it also is true.

Mister Oragahn
March 14th, 2008, 12:17 PM
I don't want to sound insulting but it sounds more like you wanted to see a documentary about the Ori galaxy instead of a story.

They can't waste time showing every Prior in every village of the Ori Galaxy during the montage because it would just take forever and be a huge waste of time. It's kinda like the montage of Order 66 in RotS. Just because they didn't show every Jedi being killed doesn't mean it was just the 5 they did show.

No, it's just that everytime they had an occasion to make things big and incredible, they just downplayed the elements.
AoT is just an incredible waste of potential and money. It's sad they can make such crap so quickly. It took Trek quite some time before making crappy films.


Don't worry he complains about everything. I respect people's opinions but I can't remember the last time I read he liked something.

You don't stalk me enough I'm afraid.

mlarke
March 15th, 2008, 07:36 PM
what do you mean?

I think what DeRoest meant in saying it was "nerdy" is that well, it was pretty nerdy.

Perhaps DeRoest is thinking along the lines of software releases. Which is where I'm sure you got the idea of refering to it as a "betaversion of Atlantis" it's along the same lines.

I don't think that it was meant as an insult however. If it was, I'll help with form up the lynchin' mob.:D

Xaeden
March 17th, 2008, 12:48 AM
I think most of us knew it wasn't Atlantis considering it was built here in the milkyway as their last hope of fleeing the plague after they'd fled their home galaxy.

Why would they build a city ship to escape a plague? It seems counterproductive considering your goal should be to get out there as quickly as possible and not to be weighed down by a length construction of something grander than anything that has ever been done. If they didn't have Atlantis it would be far more reasonable to simply take any ships you do have and build the city once you reach your destination. Any supplies can be carried off in those ships and if you really badly needed more than they could carry to get yourself set up with a city ship, then you could've gotten everything together on Earth, like they would've had to do in the first place, and instead of building the city just leave everything in a pile and come back for it via the Stargate with a ZPM in hand so you can transport it all back.

Don't get me wrong, I've always thought Atlantis was either built on Earth or somewhere else in the Milky Way, but it seemed to me simply that during the time of the plague they moved the city after hearing about the plaque for fear that it would eventually come to them if they remained. Meanwhile, Ancient cities are rather fragile and with 5-10 million years of just sitting in out in the open, unshielded and without people to maintain it, it makes sense that we wouldn't find any others in the Milky Way.