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Celleye
March 8th, 2008, 07:36 AM
So we all know Samantha sacrificed herself and brought down 3 hives with her... but, why didn't she get ascended? Why didn't anyone of the SG-1 Team get ascended? Seriously, it seems like the ancients are *******s. SG-1 just saved them from the Ori and the teams of Atlantis is taking up their battle against the wraith. Evil i say!

s09119
March 8th, 2008, 07:39 AM
They believe ascension is something you should achieve on your own, only Oma thought that extraordinary individuals should be helped up (and the Others ended up being right, Anubis here being case-en-point). Therefore, they would raise up Sam just because she wasa good person.

And besides, the Wraith and Ori weren't really their fight anymore; they fought the Wraith 10,000 years ago for 100 years and lost. You can hardly blame them for not doing more considering they'd already sacrificed almost their entire race to defend the humans.

The_Carpenter
March 8th, 2008, 07:39 AM
Why would they ascend her?

Despite us saving their collective butts from the Ori, they still sit up in their towers not interfering so as not to turn into the Ori.

Besides Omas busy fighting Anubus and I doubt she would bother ascending any member of SG-1 given how well Daniel took to it.

andromeda_dan
March 8th, 2008, 07:40 AM
So we all know Samantha sacrificed herself and brought down 3 hives with her... but, why didn't she get ascended? Why didn't anyone of the SG-1 Team get ascended? Seriously, it seems like the ancients are *******s. SG-1 just saved them from the Ori and the teams of Atlantis is taking up their battle against the wraith. Evil i say!
we only saw the Phoenix crasing into the hive and taking out the other 2, but what maybe happening simultaneously inside the ship maybe the tentacles of the ancients ascending Carter.

Celleye
March 8th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Very valid points, but i think rules should be bent sometimes. Maybe i just felt sad that no one of either SG-1 or Atlantis was alive or ascended =(.

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 07:50 AM
She should have been ascended. The Ancinets can find someone worty as a collective and help them ascend. And who is more worthy then Sam? Seriously.

Maybe she did ascend, but Rodney didn't know about it.

darkthunder84
March 8th, 2008, 08:13 AM
She should have been ascended. The Ancinets can find someone worty as a collective and help them ascend. And who is more worthy then Sam? Seriously.

Maybe she did ascend, but Rodney didn't know about it.

The question then comes down to... why didn't she de-ascend? We know for a fact Ancients can re-take human form. She could've been ascended, and then quickly re-taken human form, in which case she would still be in command of Atlantis, and not Woolsey.

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 08:27 AM
The question then comes down to... why didn't she de-ascend? We know for a fact Ancients can re-take human form. She could've been ascended, and then quickly re-taken human form, in which case she would still be in command of Atlantis, and not Woolsey.

Good point. Maybe the Ancients didn't let her, or maybe she accepted the fact that her time is over and someone else should continue the fight.

ColCaldwell
March 8th, 2008, 08:38 AM
First you have to be worthy of ascension...

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 08:44 AM
First you have to be worthy of ascension...

We already talked about that, if Sam isn't worthy then no one is.

IMO

Celleye
March 8th, 2008, 08:44 AM
First you have to be worthy of ascension...


I think SG-1 and the teams of Atlantis are as worthy as you can get.

ColCaldwell
March 8th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Sam is the last one to deserve ascension.

Celleye
March 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
I think we got a hater. :O

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Sam is the last one to deserve ascension.

What????

g.o.d
March 8th, 2008, 09:13 AM
I see no reason why Ancients should have ascended her. It was DAniel who destroyed the Ori and he was there, when Adria was "killed". Sam did nothing. She was playing with replicators aboard the Odyssey

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 09:23 AM
I see no reason why Ancients should have ascended her. It was DAniel who destroyed the Ori and he was there, when Adria was "killed". Sam did nothing. She was playing with replicators aboard the Odyssey

This isn't about the final battle with the Ori. For someone to Ascend they need to have a good soul. That means the overall actions of that person. Sam spend over a decade fighting to help people, risking her life even when she didn't have to. And we've seen a lot of examlpes that she has a good soul. If she didn't Orlin wouldn't have given up on everything he had for her.

s09119
March 8th, 2008, 09:29 AM
This isn't about the final battle with the Ori. For someone to Ascend they need to have a good soul. That means the overall actions of that person. Sam spend over a decade fighting to help people, risking her life even when she didn't have to. And we've seen a lot of examlpes that she has a good soul. If she didn't Orlin wouldn't have given up on everything he had for her.

Anubis, anyone?

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Anubis, anyone?

He tricked Oma in beliving he was good.

andromeda_dan
March 8th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Sam doesnt need to be ascended with help from the ascended ancients, just saved and transported to a safe place.

s09119
March 8th, 2008, 09:35 AM
He tricked Oma in beliving he was good.

Fine. Adria.

jasminaGo
March 8th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Fine. Adria.

Adria was an advanced human being with the knowledge of the Ori. Here we're talking about the Ancients collective helping Sam ascend and if she's of worthy of that help.

g.o.d
March 8th, 2008, 09:42 AM
the Asgard were worthy of their help and they didn't help them to ascend. why should they care about one puny woman?

jelgate
March 8th, 2008, 01:29 PM
I see no reason why Ancients should have ascended her. It was DAniel who destroyed the Ori and he was there, when Adria was "killed". Sam did nothing. She was playing with replicators aboard the Odyssey

Thank you so much for ruining the Ark of Truth for me.