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reddevil18
February 24th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Okay, not sure if this has been talked about so...bare with me.
Okay, we'll soon know the truth, but speculating is so damn fun...
Let's say the Carson they recovered is a clone. Let's say Michael got DNA samples from him in "Misbegotten" and later cloned him. Now, he is "back" on Atlantis. The team eventually learns that he's a clone. They want him back, but they can't really trust him. He DID work with Michael - what if his genetic code had been manipulated in such a way that he has to obey Michael? They can't let him do whatever he wants. So, Carson takes off, in similar fashion to Ford...
He feels betrayed, he doesn't know where he belongs, blah blah blah. He becomes bad, or...semi-bad...:p
Thus, he becomes a recurring villain. I mean, he'll be back for a few episodes next season, but we don't know in what capacity he'll be back. How 'bout renegade Carson? :beckett:
Okay...*puts on fire resistant suit* Flame away...:S

nx01a
February 24th, 2008, 03:07 PM
Heck, I'd love it. Let Paul stretch his acting muscles a bit more than as the doc everyone loves. Or the first modern idiot to walk through the Stargate.:P

What I'd prefer is just to see the discomfort others have with him, not knowing if he's really evil or even the real Carson. How would his personality change when his friends start distancing themselves? What would the IOA/SGC make him go through to prove he's not a traitor? What about his guilt over the Hoffan drug and the deaths he's been a part of causing?

With Woolsey joining next season, can we really stand having 3 Doctors everyone loves on one station?:P

reddevil18
February 24th, 2008, 03:12 PM
What I'd prefer is just to see the discomfort others have with him, not knowing if he's really evil or even the real Carson. How would his personality change when his friends start distancing themselves? What would the IOA/SGC make him go through to prove he's not a traitor? What about his guilt over the Hoffan drug and the deaths he's been a part of causing?Oh, definately. And what I'm suggesting is that he doesn't take all that very well, ESPECIALLY if he turns out to not be the real Carson...
With Woolsey joining next season, can we really stand having 3 Doctors everyone loves on one station?:P :lol:

AGateFan
February 24th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I say boo.
Plus like you alread said it was done with Ford. Perhaps it was to be done with Weir.... Wait to I see a trend here. WTH is up with all these SGA characters getting "killed off" just so they can come back as villians? What is this WWF? Hes a good guy, now hes a bad guy, now hes a good guy again......

reddevil18
February 24th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I say boo.
Plus like you alread said it was done with Ford. Perhaps it was to be done with Weir.... Wait to I see a trend here. WTH is up with all these SGA characters getting "killed off" just so they can come back as villians? What is this WWF? Hes a good guy, now hes a bad guy, now hes a good guy again......Well, Ford was never a "bad guy". And we'll never know about Weir. Perhaps Carson could TRULY become evil. Kill Teyla's kid, kill Michael, marry Todd, rule the galaxy! And we'd have a bad guy with a SCOTTISH accent! Think about it, man! None of the english accent bad guys crap here! It's all about the Scotts!!! :D

nx01a
February 24th, 2008, 03:28 PM
There's a small yet vocal [how do they spell it?] Gaith movement that would take issue with your 'marry Todd' comment as a sign of Carson's evill. I trust you mean that he aligns himself with evil. Intimately. :P

reddevil18
February 24th, 2008, 03:30 PM
There's a small yet vocal [how do they spell it?] Gaith movement that would take issue with your 'marry Todd' comment as a sign of Carson's evill. I trust you mean that he aligns himself with evil. Intimately. :P
:lol:

JSPuddlejumper
February 24th, 2008, 03:36 PM
Carson a villian, now that would be so unexpected.

Hell yeah!

I can just picture it! LOL.

Willow'sCat
February 24th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Becomes a villian? He already is in my mind. :cool: He is the one person who could have stopped all this but no he goes on with his evil experiments and now we have Michael.... Vllian? he is already there. :cool:

reddevil18
February 24th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Becomes a villian? He already is in my mind. :cool: He is the one person who could have stopped all this but no he goes on with his evil experiments and now we have Michael.... Vllian? he is already there. :cool:Well, that's one way of looking at it. :D So, you wouldn't mind if he kills Teyla's kid and makes me a happy man, would you? :p

Charon
February 25th, 2008, 03:38 PM
That's just what the Pegasus galaxy needs: An Evil Scott.;)

magictrick
February 26th, 2008, 07:23 AM
Unless the Carson that died in 'Sunday' was actually the clone, and this is the real Carson.

Briangate78
February 26th, 2008, 07:27 AM
If they make Carson a villian, that will ruin the show, imo. It will tick off the Carson fans who love this character for his big heart. They will take something so pure and totally ruin it. I don't think they would do that to the character, especially when Paul McGillion said him returning was clever and the Save Carson Beckett fans will be very happy. I don't think they would be too kind to an evil Carson.

The.Road.Not.Taken
February 26th, 2008, 08:47 AM
If they make Carson a villian, that will ruin the show, imo. It will tick off the Carson fans who love this character for his big heart. They will take something so pure and totally ruin it. I don't think they would do that to the character, especially when Paul McGillion said him returning was clever and the Save Carson Beckett fans will be very happy. I don't think they would be too kind to an evil Carson.

lol the rating would be even lower in season 5 and there would be no chance of season 6:(

Briangate78
February 26th, 2008, 08:52 AM
lol the rating would be even lower in season 5 and there would be no chance of season 6:(

I am Pro Season 4, and I cannot wait to Season 5! Carson returning is helping me overcome the loss of Weir. I feel the show can still be great with or without Weir. Now with the hope of Carson, it will give the show a more warm feeling that an original character is returning. BUT, it has to be his good old self. Heck, I could even live with a clone that is an exact copy, as long as he is the Carson the fans love him for.

The.Road.Not.Taken
February 26th, 2008, 09:04 AM
I am Pro Season 4, and I cannot wait to Season 5! Carson returning is helping me overcome the loss of Weir. I feel the show can still be great with or without Weir. Now with the hope of Carson, it will give the show a more warm feeling that an original character is returning. BUT, it has to be his good old self. Heck, I could even live with a clone that is an exact copy, as long as he is the Carson the fans love him for.

same i cant wait for season 5 but i wouldn't care if beckett was bad or good unless it affected the ratings!!!! :( i wouldn;t care cuz i am a keller fan no offence to beckett fans:D

Falcon Horus
February 27th, 2008, 03:35 PM
He could be the good kind of villain. You know the bad guys always think they are the good guys.

It's the ones you least expect it from... And Carson is great candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't who we think he is.

Pharaoh Atem
February 27th, 2008, 04:22 PM
What if Carson becomes a villain? i would bloody cry......i've put up with a lot of crap with this show but that would be the last straw

Charon
February 27th, 2008, 04:28 PM
He could be the good kind of villain. You know the bad guys always think they are the good guys.

It's the ones you least expect it from... And Carson is great candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't who we think he is.

You're right, the best villains are the ones who believe they are doing "the right thing". What if Carson isn't who HE thinks he is?

Chrisisall
February 27th, 2008, 04:56 PM
I trust whatever they do with him, it'll be cool.

Trusting Chrisisall:beckettanime04:

Reiko
February 27th, 2008, 05:08 PM
If they make Carson a villian, that will ruin the show, imo. It will tick off the Carson fans who love this character for his big heart. They will take something so pure and totally ruin it. I don't think they would do that to the character, especially when Paul McGillion said him returning was clever and the Save Carson Beckett fans will be very happy. I don't think they would be too kind to an evil Carson.


Now with the hope of Carson, it will give the show a more warm feeling that an original character is returning. BUT, it has to be his good old self.


What I'd prefer is just to see the discomfort others have with him, not knowing if he's really evil or even the real Carson. How would his personality change when his friends start distancing themselves? What would the IOA/SGC make him go through to prove he's not a traitor? What about his guilt over the Hoffan drug and the deaths he's been a part of causing?

I'm with you both Briangate and nx01a. I think it is very realistic for the others being discomfortable (we saw a wee bitty of this with John and Rodney in the preview) though I'd prefer not to see any drastic personality changes. And, he probably will go through a lot of guilt over what happened, so that'll be interesting to see.

If he goes evil myself and other Carson fans might even be more pissed than before. Its realistic for him to be a bit different afetr what he's been through but to distort this character we fought so hard to save would be just plain stupid on the part of tptb.

Briangate78
February 27th, 2008, 05:36 PM
I'm with you both Briangate and nx01a. I think it is very realistic for the others being discomfortable (we saw a wee bitty of this with John and Rodney in the preview) though I'd prefer not to see any drastic personality changes. And, he probably will go through a lot of guilt over what happened, so that'll be interesting to see.

If he goes evil myself and other Carson fans might even be more pissed than before. Its realistic for him to be a bit different afetr what he's been through but to distort this character we fought so hard to save would be just plain stupid on the part of tptb.

I could of accepted Weir being bad/villian then maybe becoming good. As per Carson, the fans did not rally and support his return to be evil. I think it would be a big slap in the face to the fans.

reddevil18
February 27th, 2008, 05:47 PM
As per Carson, the fans did not rally and support his return to be evil. I think it would be a big slap in the face to the fans.Well, that'll teach us to ask for things! :p
And, come on! Think of the accent!

Reiko
February 27th, 2008, 05:52 PM
I could of accepted Weir being bad/villian then maybe becoming good. As per Carson, the fans did not rally and support his return to be evil. I think it would be a big slap in the face to the fans.

I too would have liked Elizabeth to be a wee bitty "bad" for an eppy or two. Or, more appropriately, an "anti-hero" :D

For Carson becoming evil, it would be a complete slap in the face. And not the first either :S

Cynycal
February 27th, 2008, 09:03 PM
I don't particularly like the idea of carson being "evil" however him being a villain would be interesting, say that he's at odds with atlantis for a couple of episodes for some reason that he can't fully explain to them and all because he is actually trying to do something "good" not evil, he defeats atlantis a couple of times and manages to do so without killing anybody, eventually they learn whats goin on and accept his actions..etc..

because I just plain can't see carson bein "evil" lol

YutheGreat
February 28th, 2008, 05:23 AM
I just don't see this happenning. I mean Carson as Evil.

Soon I will replace the Wraith as the dominant species in the Galaxy but first I have to feed my turtles...

The character is so nice. I just can't picture it.

reddevil18
February 28th, 2008, 07:57 AM
I just don't see this happenning. I mean Carson as Evil.

Soon I will replace the Wraith as the dominant species in the Galaxy but first I have to feed my turtles...

The character is so nice. I just can't picture it.
It's always the ones you least expect...;)
What if he wants to create some kind of Wraith-turtle hybrid?

Trek_Girl42
February 28th, 2008, 11:48 PM
You're right, the best villains are the ones who believe they are doing "the right thing". What if Carson isn't who HE thinks he is?
That sounds just like the whole replicator duplication thing.....

Carson as a "villain" would be dreadful. Why all the discarded characters should become villains is beyond me, but I think it would be a betrayal to the character to do that and lets face it, vilifying two main characters is pushing the envelope, but I'll accept it. Make for the hatrick and it'll be like watching a broken record.

Besides, he looked so cute and happy to see them all at the end of Part I that I'd hate to lose that. :)

kymeric
February 29th, 2008, 04:28 AM
I could of accepted Weir being bad/villian then maybe becoming good. As per Carson, the fans did not rally and support his return to be evil. I think it would be a big slap in the face to the fans.

Quoted for saying SLAPINTHEFACE

^.^

jonos101
February 29th, 2008, 05:14 AM
if carson became a villian i would be so $$%$%@& **&%$&&()#@@# #$$$%^&&^%%%^&* &^$^$&^&^&$%*(%^$#[email protected]#$ @#@$#$^&&$%#$%#$^%$^$%##%#$^ %&%^#$#^^ Pissed

Seftrex
February 29th, 2008, 05:43 AM
if carson became a villian i would be so $$%$%@& **&%$&&()#@@# #$$$%^&&^%%%^&* &^$^$&^&^&$%*(%^$#[email protected]#$ @#@$#$^&&$%#$%#$^%$^$%##%#$^ %&%^#$#^^ Pissed

I couldn't agree more, I doubt they would do that to the fans that love him so much.

YutheGreat
February 29th, 2008, 05:53 AM
It's always the ones you least expect...;)
What if he wants to create some kind of Wraith-turtle hybrid?


Hahaha. I mean Turtle shell will make a sturdy armor. All-hail race of super-Wraith-turtles

Falcon Horus
February 29th, 2008, 07:57 AM
I couldn't agree more, I doubt they would do that to the fans that love him so much.


Ha, that's no guarantee... Fans are not important.

Besides, Carson is the perfect candidate for a villain-role.

Briangate78
February 29th, 2008, 07:59 AM
Ha, that's no guarantee... Fans are not important.

Besides, Carson is the perfect candidate for a villain-role.

He is not going to be evil.

He will be going on missions next season. One of his first mission eps will be "Whispers"

reddevil18
February 29th, 2008, 09:00 AM
He is not going to be evil.

He will be going on missions next season. One of his first mission eps will be "Whispers" KILLJOY!!!:mckay:

Seftrex
February 29th, 2008, 10:54 AM
Ha, that's no guarantee... Fans are not important.

Besides, Carson is the perfect candidate for a villain-role.

I knew that someone would quote me lol, perfect quote it was aswell :)

Indeed, nothing can be guarenteed exspecially in a Sci-Fi universe :P

As far as a perfect candidate :O

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I hope not, Beckett is too lovable and I wouldn't be able to take his evil dooings seriouslys :P