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McSwift
February 23rd, 2008, 07:52 AM
Hey guys / gals!

Is Michael's new experiment of new soldiers going to be the new enemy for Season 5?

I can see this happening in two ways:

New Physiology

Telepathy
No need to feed
Strong regenerative capacity
Feeding is possibly in terms of normal food
Same Wraith complextion


Budgetary Constraints on MGM

Did you see Michael? His makeup looked a lot simpler than before
To design those crazy Gen 2. Wraith monsters that michael made up must have cost a lot of time
New wraith enemy could be less costly (less time to do make up and outfits)


What am I missing?

Do you think that with Michael being able to know all of these facts, that he could acquire a ZPM in order to mass-produce this army?

Specter177
February 23rd, 2008, 08:06 AM
He can also turn normal humans into these new wraith. Did you see Kanan?

Myles
February 23rd, 2008, 08:08 AM
Hey guys / gals!

Is Michael's new experiment of new soldiers going to be the new enemy for Season 5?

I can see this happening in two ways:

New Physiology

Telepathy
No need to feed
Strong regenerative capacity
Feeding is possibly in terms of normal food
Same Wraith complextion


Budgetary Constraints on MGM

Did you see Michael? His makeup looked a lot simpler than before
To design those crazy Gen 2. Wraith monsters that michael made up must have cost a lot of time
New wraith enemy could be less costly (less time to do make up and outfits)


What am I missing?

Do you think that with Michael being able to know all of these facts, that he could acquire a ZPM in order to mass-produce this army?

I believe Micheal had performed the changes on himself. I could be wrong though. But this does look like it could turn out very interesting.

melfan
February 23rd, 2008, 08:24 AM
I believe Micheal had performed the changes on himself. I could be wrong though. But this does look like it could turn out very interesting.

Yep, he has changed himself
as well as the Athosians, or at least Kanan from what we saw

Charon
February 23rd, 2008, 08:54 AM
Hey guys / gals!

Is Michael's new experiment of new soldiers going to be the new enemy for Season 5?

I can see this happening in two ways:

New Physiology

Telepathy
No need to feed
Strong regenerative capacity
Feeding is possibly in terms of normal food
Same Wraith complextion


Budgetary Constraints on MGM

Did you see Michael? His makeup looked a lot simpler than before
To design those crazy Gen 2. Wraith monsters that michael made up must have cost a lot of time
New wraith enemy could be less costly (less time to do make up and outfits)


What am I missing?

Do you think that with Michael being able to know all of these facts, that he could acquire a ZPM in order to mass-produce this army?
Perhaps a battle royale with Michael's army in one corner and Todd's in the other.

McSwift
February 23rd, 2008, 09:29 AM
That could probably explain why those human guards didn't die instantly.

Did you notice after Sheppard shot those guys with the P90. 2-3 shots from the P90 would kill someone. The dude that was mentioning about Teyla on the ship was still moving around.

Also in the Trailer for Pt. 2, you also see the guy on the Medical Bed and Dr. Keller tries to help him.

It makes me wonder if the dude also has some form of mental development abilities like the Ancients (or have some form of ability where he can communicate by telepathy.)

Why?

Michael's new ability
- How did Michael manage to communicate over 10,000 light years? How? Before it was a group of wraith that was able to do that, not an individual wraith.

- What about telekinetic / telekinesis abilities? In Season 3, we started to see Beckett learn about Ancient Technology DNA manipulation and brain manipulation that allowed the evolution of these abilities. Even Wraith Queens had some form of telekinesis on a weaker scale where they can move bio-objects like humans!

- Stronger than Wraith strength - Version 2.00 Wraith was definitely something that we saw

- Regenerative Abilities in Humans - We saw this with the basic human guards

- No more feedings. Why else would Michael have a bowl of crap and even eat it? Beckett discovered this ability in earlier season 2 when he was puzzled by Elia and her digestive system.

- ATA Genes? Beckett is definitely a huge liability. If Beckett was able to give Michael the means to know how to make the Hoffman Drug (refined), why not give these new Hybrids the ATA genes? Wraiths also have strong mental abilities. It would seem to me that these new Hybrids are capable of using Ancient Technologies.

Charon
February 23rd, 2008, 09:54 AM
As far as Michael's new communication ability, Teyla may be serving him with a paternity suit.

Blistna
February 23rd, 2008, 11:21 AM
....you all are missing one key factor (if it even matters) -- Beckett knows the location of Earth. Also, (possible spoilers for Part Two or even Season Five),if I am right, the Replicators are helping Micheal -- and I bet they could replicate a ZPM -- maybe not, who knows -- but it could be very interesting if I am right.

But wow...that could be bad. Anyway...new enemy....yay.

haloplayer
February 23rd, 2008, 11:36 AM
Well there is a downside to Michaels wraith. I think they have less healing powers. Since normal wraith feed on humans they get the energy to heal themselves from wounds. A wraith that has feed longer then other wraiths is harder to kill. But since Michael and his wraith don't feed they don't get that energy to be able to heal themselves. So it will only take like a few P-90 rounds to take one out.

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 23rd, 2008, 12:03 PM
Even Wraith Queens had some form of telekinesis on a weaker scale where they can move bio-objects like humans!

Aye? Queens have never demonstrated telekinesis, the most they have done is powerful telepathic abilities to implant suggestions and compel living beings to follow their commands. No telekinesis though...

2ndgenerationalteran
February 23rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
have a feeling teyla will be doing the daniel jackson thing and would be motivated by trying to save Kanan. And michael could have used all his hybrids to have reached teyla

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:27 PM
....you all are missing one key factor (if it even matters) -- Beckett knows the location of Earth. Also, (possible spoilers for Part Two or even Season Five),if I am right, the Replicators are helping Micheal -- and I bet they could replicate a ZPM -- maybe not, who knows -- but it could be very interesting if I am right.

But wow...that could be bad. Anyway...new enemy....yay.
Interesting hypothesis but I'm curious as to how you came up with that?

McSwift
February 23rd, 2008, 12:31 PM
....you all are missing one key factor (if it even matters) -- Beckett knows the location of Earth. Also, (possible spoilers for Part Two or even Season Five),if I am right, the Replicators are helping Micheal -- and I bet they could replicate a ZPM -- maybe not, who knows -- but it could be very interesting if I am right.

But wow...that could be bad. Anyway...new enemy....yay.

Uhhh. I don't get your logic. Why?



1) Replicators do not help wraith - Basecode against wraith

2) Even if they do not have that basecode anymore, why would they help? They're looking into Ascension. Doing bad things like hooking up with Michael brings no steps to the ladder.



My only thought is that Michael could probably steal ZPMs.

But that is still so far off.

Michael's character and personality is similar to the Goa'uld Nirriti. Nirritti was a goa'uld who was not part of the system lord, and did not have major resources except knowledge. Mind you that Nirritti's path of ability is similar to Michael's.

Nirriti was researching into a new type of host - Goa'uld abilities with telekinesis and telepathy.

Michael is into a new type of soldier.

xSFx
February 23rd, 2008, 01:43 PM
New enemy my a**.
Michael is actually the first villan I'd consider worshipping.

Hallowed are the HuWraiths!

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 23rd, 2008, 01:56 PM
Interesting hypothesis but I'm curious as to how you came up with that?

Not that I support it but I think he got it from the sci fi trailers that mention replicators in it... I don't see the replicators being involved in this plotline personally.

McSwift
February 24th, 2008, 04:47 AM
This might be jumping it a bit, but how does this come into play in S5?

GoSpikey
February 24th, 2008, 05:49 AM
New enemy my a**.
Michael is actually the first villan I'd consider worshipping.

Hallowed are the HuWraiths!

I'd lick the food off his finger. :o :o :o

Oh, and the Athosians seem to be mindless drones. So not that positive.

YutheGreat
February 24th, 2008, 05:58 AM
They will be cheaper for the show. Some of the hybrids appear human like the ones that were guarding the facility. Michael can make them infiltrators etc.

You are right it will make them very interesting.

They may appear human but they have a lot of other enhanced abilities like the Jaffa. Michael could go to war with the Wraith and Atlantis will be caught in the middle.

ckwongau
February 24th, 2008, 06:32 AM
What about female Hybrid ?


The original retro-virus doesn't work on female Wraith, so are they going to create some new sexy wraith babe.
The Female wriath Queen we saw over the past few season doesn't look that attractive .


If the Wraith doesn't need to fed on human , then what else they are going to do with all the spare time.
I hope Michael create a new female.Normal Hive has a sex ratio about 1:100 or more.That may work with normal Wriath ,but the new hybrid is more human

Michael may need a Queen if he need to conquer the Pegasus.

GoSpikey
February 24th, 2008, 06:37 AM
What about female Hybrid ?


The original retro-virus doesn't work on female Wraith, so are they going to create some new sexy wraith babe.
The Female wriath Queen we saw over the past few season doesn't look that attractive .


If the Wraith doesn't need to fed on human , then what else they are going to do with all the spare time.
I hope Michael create a new female.Normal Hive has a sex ratio about 1:100 or more.That may work with normal Wriath ,but the new hybrid is more human

Michael may need a Queen if he need to conquer the Pegasus.

Yeah, I've also thought about the retrovirus not working on females (Athosians).

Oh, Michael has his Queen, and her name is Teyla. Look at his eyes when he goes to her, how much her words can hurt him, how he says she can do whatever she likes, just as long as the baby doesn't hurt under it etc.

I'm curious about finding out of he'll take over her mind after he turns her, or not.

YutheGreat
February 24th, 2008, 06:48 AM
Yeah, I've also thought about the retrovirus not working on females (Athosians).

Oh, Michael has his Queen, and her name is Teyla. Look at his eyes when he goes to her, how much her words can hurt him, how he says she can do whatever she likes, just as long as the baby doesn't hurt under it etc.

I'm curious about finding out of he'll take over her mind after he turns her, or not.

I agree Spikey. I believe he ordered Kanaan to impregnate her making Teyla her queen and her son as the heir-apparent to the throne in his pledgling empire of hybrids.

The retrovirus doesn't work to turn Wraith queens into humans but it might turn human females into part Wraith isn't that possible?

haloplayer
February 24th, 2008, 11:40 AM
These new human/wraith hybrids may be able to take some damage but since they dont feed on humans they can not ge the engery to keep healing themselves if they keep getting injured.

How do these hybrids heal themselves? Normal wraith use the energy they get from feeding on humans to heal there injurys but if these hybirds dont feed how do they heal themselves?

Also i think those guards that they took out in The Kindred WERE NOT HYBRIDS. The hybrids on the Hive ships had a few Wraith like features on there face you could tell they had wraith in them. The guards the Atlantis team took out looked COMPLETLEY HUMAN. I think they were just human allies to Micheal.

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 24th, 2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I've also thought about the retrovirus not working on females (Athosians).

The retrovirus does not work against female WRAITH as the Queen from "Allies" remained completely normal despite most of her Hive being knocked unconscious and transformed. She was apparently in pain and possibly weakened but still strong enough to almost kill Lorne so female Wraith seem more resistant to such a viral weapon.

However, its entirely possible that Michael might simply infect a Human female to create a Queen... mind you, a Queen really isnt necessary, they just need either women or the retrovirus in order to create more of their kind.

GoSpikey
February 24th, 2008, 05:02 PM
The retrovirus does not work against female WRAITH as the Queen from "Allies" remained completely normal despite most of her Hive being knocked unconscious and transformed. She was apparently in pain and possibly weakened but still strong enough to almost kill Lorne so female Wraith seem more resistant to such a viral weapon.

However, its entirely possible that Michael might simply infect a Human female to create a Queen... mind you, a Queen really isnt necessary, they just need either women or the retrovirus in order to create more of their kind.

Oh, I just referred to Teyla as a 'Queen' because Michael originally comes from a hierarchy in which the females, the bosses, are called that. He'll want her to join him at his side, but she won't take over, probably. Depending on how she views his cause. She might stay with him just for the sake of her child and her people. After all, after knowing where they are, will she just be able to walk away from them? Especially when Michael keeps on tossing familiar faces into her face?

I hope he doesn't overpower her mind. She should be fully aware of what's going on.

More in a few days.

IS IT FRIDAY YET? :lol:

Ltcolshepjumper
February 24th, 2008, 05:09 PM
I'm sure he has plans to keep her there, and to possibly change her into a true "HuWraith", as some would like to call them. Either way, I think he might try to put some of his own DNA into Teyla's child, thus "strengthening the bond" between them.

GoSpikey
February 24th, 2008, 05:16 PM
I'm sure he has plans to keep her there, and to possibly change her into a true "HuWraith", as some would like to call them. Either way, I think he might try to put some of his own DNA into Teyla's child, thus "strengthening the bond" between them.

I wrote my thoughts in the Wraith' Defenders Thread, in two posts, under spoiler tags. My thoughts on the child, and everything else. I'd love some feedback on it, so go read it? :P

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=37661&page=186

McSwift
February 26th, 2008, 03:04 AM
I just realized how advantageous it would be for the Hybrid:

1) The Genii are humans, have a spy network, has an army, has food - The Hybrids can essentially mimic the Genii (or even infiltrate them too).

2) Teyla's ability to fly a Wraith ship now - The Hybrids can do the same with some refinement (Teyla only started to progress in mental abiliities recently).

3) Teyla's ability to use mind control - Same as #2

4) Teyla's ability to read people's minds - Same as #2

How awesome would that be?

Amalthea
February 27th, 2008, 09:11 AM
Michael doesn't need a queen, though... presumably he abducted female Athosians as well and if they're all human-wraith hybrids, they probably can have babies the old fashioned way.

That said... they're kinda creepy if they're all like Kanan. Maybe they all got lobotomies too.

EternalAlteran
April 27th, 2008, 04:39 AM
I agree, it think the retrovirus doesn't work on wraith females, but they do work on humans.

It could be the reason why Micheal killed the Queen in the last man. McKay said that Micheal turned the strongests of each race in Hybrids. I'm sure a Wraith Queen is considered one of the strongest of the Wraith. But he killed her probably because the virus doesn't work on her and if he didn't kill her she could fight him and his Hybrids.

Also I think Wraith females have a big DNA difference compared to the males, just like a Bee queen and her drones. That's why the virus didn't work on the queens, it was designed with help from DNA obtained form males. A Female's DNA had not been obtained at the point they created the virus. But Human females are a lot like human males, so it would work on them.


Also I would like to know if you think it is possible to create a retrovirus with
DNA from Wraith Females? Would it work on the females?


Why did the uncompleted virus work on Ellia? She was a female the last time I saw the episodes.

Prior_of_the_Ori
April 27th, 2008, 06:17 AM
Well one thing to remember is that all of the Hybrids we have seen seem to descend from Humans converting by Micheal. Whether this means that the new retrovirus only works on Humans or Micheal simply prefers to use Humans is unknown.

It might be that retrovirus requires Humans in order to produce the strengths of the Wraith minus their weaknesses while using a Wraith body would mean the feeding organ might remain in some capacity. This is speculation mind you.