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Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper
February 20th, 2008, 07:47 PM
When the Wraith infiltrated Midway Station, and if any of them looked out a view port or window they could see the spiral form of the Milky Way sprawled out in all its splendor. There are only 3 spiral galaxies in our local group of galaxies (the other two being Andromeda and Triangulum). They could also follow the direction the gate network is taking from Pegasus to MW. Thus, if they hadn't previously figured it out, they now know which galaxy Earth is located. I can imagine that at this very moment, they may be building better and faster ships to bridge the intergalactic gap, or possibly looking for a stargate connection to a planet at the outer edge of the Milky Way. Vast as our galaxy is, once they gain a foothold on any world in MW, especially one with a gate, it's only a matter of time before they zero in on Earth's location.

jelgate
February 20th, 2008, 07:51 PM
When the Wraith infiltrated Midway Station, and if any of them looked out a view port or window they could see the spiral form of the Milky Way sprawled out in all its splendor. There are only 3 spiral galaxies in our local group of galaxies (the other two being Andromeda and Triangulum). They could also follow the direction the gate network is taking from Pegasus to MW. Thus, if they hadn't previously figured it out, they now know which galaxy Earth is located. I can imagine that at this very moment, they may be building better and faster ships to bridge the intergalactic gap, or possibly looking for a stargate connection to a planet at the outer edge of the Milky Way. Vast as our galaxy is, once they gain a foothold on any world in MW, especially one with a gate, it's only a matter of time before they zero in on Earth's location.

The key word is building intergalatic hyperdrives. That is easier said than done. The Wraith have been trying to build better hyperdrives for years

IMForeman
February 20th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Thus, if they hadn't reviously figured it out, they now know which galaxy Earth is located.

Well, that sure narrows it down... :rolleyes:


Vast as our galaxy is, once they gain a foothold on any world in MW, especially one with a gate, it's only a matter of time before they zero in on Earth's location.

Yes, it would be a matter of time. If they checked one star system a day they would find Earth no later than around 250 million years or so. Even if they were within 5,000 light years of Earth... within the Orion Arm... it could take around 1.5 million years. Methinks that you don't realize how really staggeringly vast the Milky Way is.

Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper
February 20th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well, that sure narrows it down... :rolleyes:
Methinks that you don't realize how really staggeringly vast the Milky Way is.

Oh, trust me, I have the greatest respect for the size of the Milky Way and the overall scale of the universe and it's something I've pondered for many years. 200 billion stars is nothing to sneeze at.

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/index.html

I concede that in our real universe that Earth would be next to impossible to locate even if one knew our galaxy of origin. But in the sci-fi universe of Stargate, our galaxy is teeming with worlds occupied by humans and other intelligent species, many of which have stargates. Once the Wraith gain a foothold on just one world in our galaxy, particularly one with a gate (and yes I realize even that would be difficult), they can use the network to gate from world to world, possibly forcibly extracting information from other settlements, slowly narrowing down the location of our planet.

And that too would take time, I realize. The whole point, is that they're now one step closer to Earth, regardless of how many more steps it may take.

Avenger
February 20th, 2008, 08:19 PM
The Wraith found the location of Earth back in season 2.

jelgate
February 20th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Who do you figure they can get to the MW. The Gate bridge can't be used anymore. The writer say they don't want to bring back Midway.

YutheGreat
February 20th, 2008, 08:37 PM
I think all the Wraith the know are either dead or captured no one was able to escape to spread the word.

Do you think the wraith can reach atlantis even without intergalactic hyperdrives if they were patient enough to wait.

Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper
February 20th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Who do you figure they can get to the MW. The Gate bridge can't be used anymore. The writer say they don't want to bring back Midway.

If the Wraith were resourceful enough that they could compromise the gate system and infiltrate Midway, they may be just as resourceful in other areas and since they now know the general direction they need to go, it could easily motivate them even further such that they may at this very moment be working on a way to bridge the gap between galaxies. Exactly how I don't know, but they can be as smart as the writers decide to make them.

wise one
February 21st, 2008, 04:40 AM
maybe when atlantis sent the malp that wraith destoyed it so maybe only a few wraiths know since they are at war with each other

Icarium
February 21st, 2008, 05:40 AM
Wouldn't the Wraith be happy enough to just reach MW? Of course they'd like to destroy their enemies, but right now they are concerned with food shortage. Since there are plenty of planets inhabited by humans in MW, they would have rich feeding grounds. And, as somebody mentioned before, MW is quite vast. It could appear that humans would be more interested in finding the Wraith culling worlds in MW than the Wraith in finding Earth. If the Wraith became aware that they have no chance on Earth, they could choose 'hiding' in MW and gathering strength.

And they lived happilly ever after... ;)

Icarium

The.Road.Not.Taken
February 21st, 2008, 08:50 AM
i dnt think the wraith really do know the location all the wraith are dead so they wouldn't pass on the knowledge to find mw

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 21st, 2008, 09:14 AM
Even if they did know the location, its next to impossible for them to reach it. Their ships are far too slow and it would take centuries before they even were close to it so they would either have to hibernate and risk being destroyed by their enemies in the process or starve to death. Unless they get the intergalactic hyperdrive, the Wraith have no choice but to battle each other for what few supplies of "food" that are left.

jelgate
February 21st, 2008, 09:23 AM
If the Wraith were resourceful enough that they could compromise the gate system and infiltrate Midway, they may be just as resourceful in other areas and since they now know the general direction they need to go, it could easily motivate them even further such that they may at this very moment be working on a way to bridge the gap between galaxies. Exactly how I don't know, but they can be as smart as the writers decide to make them.

I think you underestimating Todd's influence in the Midway invasion. It a lot easier to tamper with macro vs creating your own macro to get to Midway. Its beyond the Wraith's technolgy to create an intergalatic hyperdrive unless they find one to study.

wise one
February 21st, 2008, 10:22 AM
the wraith wasnt worried about food shortages to begin with, john just woke them up too early

i would of imagined if they woke up when they were supposed to wake up then food wouldnt of needed to be a problem for a period of time

jasminaGo
February 21st, 2008, 12:37 PM
The reason why the Wraith didn't get to MW in previous seasons is 'cause that was SG1's playground, while PG was SGA's. Now that SG1 isn't being filmed I think we can expect more action on Earth, so it's logical for the Wraith to start getting close. IMO it's a way to keep things fresh by TPTB.

jds1982
February 21st, 2008, 01:52 PM
Didn't they already know Earth's location? Didn't they rip that from Colonel Sumner's mind?

The.Road.Not.Taken
February 21st, 2008, 02:08 PM
Didn't they already know Earth's location? Didn't they rip that from Colonel Sumner's mind?

no nessarcily they knew of earth but he didn't exactly give off the cordrinates in space

rarocks24
February 21st, 2008, 03:31 PM
When the Wraith infiltrated Midway Station, and if any of them looked out a view port or window they could see the spiral form of the Milky Way sprawled out in all its splendor. There are only 3 spiral galaxies in our local group of galaxies (the other two being Andromeda and Triangulum). They could also follow the direction the gate network is taking from Pegasus to MW. Thus, if they hadn't previously figured it out, they now know which galaxy Earth is located. I can imagine that at this very moment, they may be building better and faster ships to bridge the intergalactic gap, or possibly looking for a stargate connection to a planet at the outer edge of the Milky Way. Vast as our galaxy is, once they gain a foothold on any world in MW, especially one with a gate, it's only a matter of time before they zero in on Earth's location.

Really? How?

The Wraith never went back to Pegasus from Midway. The Wraith never gained access to any superior technology from the database. And the macro that they used was specific to the Pegasus gates. The most they could have done was to broadcast the gate address of Earth and the symbols of the MW gate network back, which, without superior tech, would be useless to them.

The Wraith were counting on holding the SGC long enough to get information back to Pegasus before Earth knocked out Midway. They didn't, and even if Teal'c and Ronon hadn't been there, they still would have failed. The humans in the Control Room were left unharmed and the effects of the stun bomb had worn off, Walter would have closed the iris and the military would have cleaned house. Albeit with casualties, but it would have still been a victory. A whole bunch of Wraith going splat against Earth's iris would have been mildly entertaining....well, maybe not for the cleanup crew. :P

IMForeman
February 21st, 2008, 03:31 PM
I concede that in our real universe that Earth would be next to impossible to locate even if one knew our galaxy of origin. But in the sci-fi universe of Stargate, our galaxy is teeming with worlds occupied by humans and other intelligent species, many of which have stargates. Once the Wraith gain a foothold on just one world in our galaxy, particularly one with a gate (and yes I realize even that would be difficult), they can use the network to gate from world to world, possibly forcibly extracting information from other settlements, slowly narrowing down the location of our planet.



But again, not really so much with the teeming. Even if every possible gate combination in the Milky Way represented an actual world with a gate it would be a very small percentage of the stars in the galaxy. Finding a planet with a gate just by flying into the galaxy wouldn't be tremendously easier than finding Earth. There's just short of 2 million possible addresses, and somewhere between 100 to 200 billion stars. We're still talking a seriously small needle in a vast haystack.

rarocks24
February 21st, 2008, 03:43 PM
But again, not really so much with the teeming. Even if every possible gate combination in the Milky Way represented an actual world with a gate it would be a very small percentage of the stars in the galaxy. Finding a planet with a gate just by flying into the galaxy wouldn't be tremendously easier than finding Earth. There's just short of 2 million possible addresses, and somewhere between 100 to 200 billion stars. We're still talking a seriously small needle in a vast haystack.

Not to mention the fact that the Goa'uld have not been to all the planets, or even 1% of them. The simple truth is...The Goa'uld only put humans on planets they knew about, so the majority of the human population of the Milky Way would be limited to only one certain area of our galaxy (pretty much the entire Orion Arm). Even if the Wraith knew that, they'd be subjected to dialing countless worlds and exhausting large amounts of time.

They'd be shooting in the dark hoping they get lucky when there are millions of combinations and only hundreds the SGC/Goa'uld/Tok'ra/Tau'ri/Tollan/Jaffa/insert any other known Milky Way race here has had contact with. If they don't stumble across any of those worlds, which is of course A LOT, then they're screwed. And then, they have to deal with the Jaffa/Lucian Alliance/Tok'ra/Tau'ri/Goa'uld/Ori deserters/etc.

JSPuddlejumper
February 21st, 2008, 05:12 PM
By the time the Wraith find out...

Fleets of 304's will be ready, and hell, there are 10+ billion humans in the MW in SG universe, Earth alone has 6+ billion (real world 2040 projection is 9+ billion).

Wraith are doomed.


304's will so own the Hives now. No contest.

rarocks24
February 21st, 2008, 05:21 PM
By the time the Wraith find out...

Fleets of 304's will be ready, and hell, there are 10+ billion humans in the MW in SG universe, Earth alone has 6+ billion (real world 2040 projection is 9+ billion).

Wraith are doomed.


304's will so own the Hives now. No contest.

Forgive me for being pessimistic, but I doubt we're going to make it to 2040 with a 9+ billion population. We're already starting to fight, steal, and ally for resources.

JSPuddlejumper
February 22nd, 2008, 07:39 PM
Fight, steal etc...been occuring throughout human history, nothing new.

We can all turn vegetarian. 1 pound of veggies take so much less resources to produce...

Environmental degradation, that needs to taken care of.

P-51D Mustang
March 7th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Even if the Wraith did get to Earth we dont know how many ships earth has. For all we know Earth could have a all new Asguard upgraded ships. So it is my belief that even if the Wraith did get to Earth the SGC would kick the crap out of the Wraith.

FallenAngelII
March 8th, 2008, 04:52 PM
1) They all died.
2) They don't care about other galaxies so much they'd figure out the spiral thingie and how would they even see it? From the midway station? All they've see would be a bunch of galaxies.
3) They all died.

IMForeman
March 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM
2) They don't care about other galaxies so much they'd figure out the spiral thingie and how would they even see it? From the midway station? All they've see would be a bunch of galaxies.


From the Midway point between the Pegasus galaxy to the Milky Way, the Milky way is the largest, closest object visible. It's an enormous Galaxy, especially compared to the dinky Pegasus. And as the distance from the still large and obvious Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies would actually have increased, while the distance to the Milky Way would have decreased, it's not too hard to figure out the direction the Gate Bridge was taking them.

Their only difficulty would have been determining if Earth was in the Milky Way galaxy or in one of its satellites galaxies such as the Large and Small Magellanic clouds, the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical, or the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy. It's not too much of an intuitive leap to think they can guess which of those is the most likely, though.

But, as I said, knowing which galaxy Earth is in hardly narrows it down. You'd have to search good and long to even find a planet with a gate, much less find Earth.

Some reference images:

Milky Way as seen from Pegasus. (http://www.enigmanaut.com/mwayfrompegdig.jpg)
Milky Way as seen from Midway (the large and small Magellanic Clouds are visible clearly at the bottom of the image). (http://www.enigmanaut.com/midway.jpg)
Pegasus from Midway (it's the barely visible dot in the very middle). (http://www.enigmanaut.com/pegfrommid.jpg)
Andromeda from Midway. (http://www.enigmanaut.com/andromfrommid.jpg)
Triangulum from Midway. (http://www.enigmanaut.com/trifrommid.jpg)

Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper
March 9th, 2008, 05:21 PM
But, as I said, knowing which galaxy Earth is in hardly narrows it down. You'd have to search good and long to even find a planet with a gate, much less find Earth.

Well, I guess it depends on how you look at. Finding out Earth is in the Milky Way narrows things down in relation to the rest of the universe, which I realize is still a bit absurd considering the immense scale that we're dealing with.

As the one who started this thread, I can say I enjoyed reading the comments and it appears the "nays" have it. Nevertheless if I knew the Wraith were out there I'd just as soon they not know what galaxy I'm in, no matter how big it is.:)