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Indiana
May 6th, 2004, 02:33 AM
A lot of people believed that SG-1 went downhill in season four and hasn't been the same since. Did you also realise that Johnathan Glassner left the show and Joseph Mallozzi and Paul Mullie arrived. Do yuo think this contributed to the downfall during season four or not? Would you like to see the return of Glassner to the show? I would.

Forget www.savedanieljackson.com we should have started www.save johnglassner.com

Discuss. :)

D.C.
May 6th, 2004, 03:47 AM
The shows fine. The only thing that is not as good is some of the NID stories, but apart from that, the show is awesome. Although Glassner was cool. It'll be good if he came back. Mallozzi and Mullie's arrival have brought us awesome episodes like Window of Opportunity, Prophecy, and etc. :)

Akasha
May 6th, 2004, 04:00 AM
I enjoy the show more now than season 1-3 . I enjoy the direction the show took. I wouldn't like Glassner to come back to the show, because I don't think his return would fit well. I love the work of Paul & Joe. Some of my favorite episodes have been made by them (like Window of oportunity).

D.C.
May 6th, 2004, 04:01 AM
Glassner wrote some cool episodes though. (Like Shades of Grey)

Majson
May 6th, 2004, 05:02 AM
Glassner stopped writing for the show after season 3 yes......but he was still creative consultant i beleive up until the end of season 6?

which ok, doesn't require the same amount of work, but he probably has other things to do.

There may have been one or two less moral episodes, that glassner seemed to enjoy writing, but i have very much enjoyed the show with him and without him writing them.

The Other side for example is perhaps one of my all time fave sg-1 eps, it highlights everything i love about the show. This was done after glassner stopped being a major force in the show.

I've said it many times before, and no doubt i'll keep saying it, but the reason the show hasn't been as good as it once was, in my opinion, is down to the fact that for three eyars (season 5 onwards) they beleived it was to be the last season. So that lead to them trying to tie up as many loose ends as they could, only to find it's not their last year.

When i think about that, i can only admire the fact that they've managed to keep it flowing and hold continuity like it has, without digging themselves too much of a grave.

darklilac
May 6th, 2004, 05:09 AM
Yes, I pray every day for Glassner to return, even if I know it's impossible.
Mallozzi&Mullie are two of the worst writers ever, and they brought Stargate down with all their giggling and love for the ship.

D.C.
May 6th, 2004, 05:17 AM
That's crazy talk. :)

KatG
May 6th, 2004, 05:33 AM
Actually Season 4 was my favorite year of Stargate. To me, it's when everything started coming together and it's what got me into fandom and forums.

D.C.
May 6th, 2004, 05:34 AM
Didn't Glassner do The Invisible Man after Stargate SG-1? What's he doing now?

Indiana
May 6th, 2004, 05:54 AM
Hold the phone, but have IMDB got this wrong? :eek: They list Glassner as a Co-Executive Producer of Stargate: Atlantis? I know IMDB relies on user submitted information so I'm thinking it's wrong. According to IMDB he went on to work on The Invisible Man (;) to D.C.) Then he did some writing and producing on Odyssey 5 and CSI Miami. Season 1-3 were definitely one of the best seasons. Maybe because Stargate was still fresh back then. I don't mind Mr Mallozzi and Mullie, they're funny guys, but I don't worship at their altar. I do worhip at the altar of the old school writers of Wright, Cooper and Glassner.

D.C.
May 6th, 2004, 05:59 AM
It'll be cool if he was Co-Executive Producer of Stargate Atlantis, but it's probably wrong. He could be a creative consultant still though? Either way I think both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Altantis are in awesome hands. (Robert C Cooper I think is the best writer. :))

Indiana
May 6th, 2004, 06:05 AM
Well he did write The Torment of Tantalus, the episode, which began the whole Ancients storyline.

Lord Loz
May 6th, 2004, 06:18 AM
Mallozzi&Mullie are two of the worst writers ever, and they brought Stargate down with all their giggling and love for the ship.

Wrongness of the highest order. The ship was always there, intended from the start I heard from somewhere. Plus, humour in a series is essential. As said by RDA, 'We're not saving lives, we're entertaining them' :p

Oh, and if you dislike WoO, I pity you :(

Majson
May 6th, 2004, 06:20 AM
Mallozzi and Mullie are very good in my opinion.

They've written:

Window Of Opportunity (often cited as one of the best episodes ever)
Scorched Earth
Point Of No Return (another good episode)
The Curse (some backsight into daniel fer crying out loud)
Chain Reaction
Prodigy (with Brad Wright...)
Exodus
Enemies (story with Brad wright and rob cooper)
The Fifth Man (ok not one of the best)
The Tomb (again i wasn't too fond of this)
Desperate Measures
Wormhole X-treem (with Brad Wright...again cited as one of the best)
Summit (a great episode in my view)
FailSafe
Revelations
Descent (which i actually liked a lot)
Nightwalkers (which most people hate, but simply because it has no jack)
Shadow Play (ok not great again)
Prometheus
Smoke And Mirrors (only the teleplay though, so if you hate that...can't really blame them)
Prophecy (easily the best jonas episode)
Homecoming
Revisions (which had a very classic sg-1 feel to season 7...maybe i'm the only one who liked it)
Avenger 2.0
Fallout (based on a story by corin)
Inauguration (ok clip episode)

that list isn't a bad list what so ever....

Ontop of that, they're the ones who seem to spend the most time trying to find out what we, the fansd, think of the end product. Which i like, they may or may not do anything about it, but at least they're checking it :)

Lord Loz
May 6th, 2004, 06:32 AM
My views on those episodes:


Mallozzi and Mullie are very good in my opinion.

They've written:

Window Of Opportunity Wouldnt say best ever, but def up there with them
Scorched Earth Brilliant moral episode
Point Of No Return (another good episode) Not so fond of this one tbh
The Curse (some backsight into daniel fer crying out loud)Plus the intro of Osiris, one of the best villians
Chain ReactionEnjoyed seeing evil Jack ;)
Prodigy (with Brad Wright...)I really did like this one, no one else seemed to though!
ExodusBest.cliffhanger.Ever
Enemies (story with Brad wright and rob cooper)Best.Opener.Ever
The Fifth Man (ok not one of the best)But led to interesting future plots (Summit/Last Stand)
The Tomb (again i wasn't too fond of this)Horror styleee, something different at least
Desperate Measures Bleh
Wormhole X-treem (with Brad Wright...again cited as one of the best)Completely unecessary, but hella fun :D
Summit (a great episode in my view)Agreed. All the Goa'uld rocked
FailSafePretty dull actually, but still watchable.
RevelationsOsiris again wooooooooo
Descent (which i actually liked a lot)Ninja Jaffa :D
Nightwalkers (which most people hate, but simply because it has no jack)Sherlock Jonas makes up for no Jack
Shadow Play (ok not great again)Boooooring
PrometheusAmazy ep, if you ignore the security issues!
Smoke And Mirrors (only the teleplay though, so if you hate that...can't really blame them)The Sam Jonas scenes were excellent at least
Prophecy (easily the best jonas episode)Amen
HomecomingOnly seen it once, and can hardly remember it :eek:
Revisions (which had a very classic sg-1 feel to season 7...maybe i'm the only one who liked it)I also liked it
Avenger 2.0 This ep was brilliant.
Fallout (based on a story by corin)Bit unbelievable, but interesting
Inauguration (ok clip episode)Best clip episode I ever saw

that list isn't a bad list what so ever....

GateGipsy
May 6th, 2004, 06:42 AM
Wrongness of the highest order. The ship was always there, intended from the start I heard from somewhere. Plus, humour in a series is essential. As said by RDA, 'We're not saving lives, we're entertaining them' :p

Oh, and if you dislike WoO, I pity you :(
The original ship was intended to be between Jack and Janet, hence the scene in Broca Divide. When they decided to not go down that route I don't know. There is UST between the two in one of the early Stargate SG1 novels written, I believe, around season 1.

As for pitying someone just because they don't like an episode you like - that's rather arrogant don't you think? I wouldn't dream of pitying someone just because they had different tastes to me! We all like/dislike different things - would be an incredibly boring world otherwise :D

Ali888
May 6th, 2004, 06:50 AM
[QUOTE=Lord Loz]Wrongness of the highest order. The ship was always there, intended from the start I heard from somewhere. Plus, humour in a series is essential. As said by RDA, 'We're not saving lives, we're entertaining them' :p

I've seen people comment before that the ship was intended from the beginning. I've never seen any reference for this assumption. Perhaps you can say where and when you heard it. A little humour is okay and yes Stargate is supposed to be entertaining. It is however a sci-fi action adventure show, not a comedy. I find some of the more recent 'comedy' episodes un-funny.

Teal'c
May 6th, 2004, 03:03 PM
I believe A Hundred Days was before Joe & Paul arrived on the scene, Season 3. That was the first truely shippy episode.

Let's take the 3 shippy eps of Season 4: D&C, BtS & Entity. D&C was written by Tor Alexander Valenza, BtS was Heather E. Ash and Entity was Peter DeLuise.

Oh yeah, Joe & Paul are soooo obsessed with ship :P

Joe & Paul have written some of my favourite episodes, as have Jonathan, Brad, Rob, Peter, Chris, Katharyn and Damian (But I'm still holding a grudge for Sight Unseen :P).

bcmilco
May 6th, 2004, 04:15 PM
The original ship was intended to be between Jack and Janet, hence the scene in Broca Divide.

You're joking right? Because those scenes were so NOT shippy IMO. I just don't see anything beyond Janet caring for her patient.

And if you are right, there was so much more chemistry between Sam and Jack in the final scene that it's no wonder they changed the pairing. :p :D

As for the topic at hand...

I think the 4th season was the best season they've had and while I really liked the first 3, I don't think bringing Glassner back would be the best idea.

Shipperahoy
May 6th, 2004, 06:17 PM
I'm not saying that I don't believe Gipsy (I wouldn't dare, I'm certainly not stupid) but I never saw any shippiness between Jack and Janet. Daniel and Janet? Yeahsureyoubetcha. Broca Divide was, for me, the first episode that I really saw S/J ship in and not in just the locker room scene. But that's just my humble opinion and I know many people didn't see any ship at all in the early seasons of Stargate.

ShelBel
May 6th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Didn't Glassner do The Invisible Man after Stargate SG-1? What's he doing now?

Yeah, and he turned it over to Joe Levinson, who promptly KILLED the show.

Sorry, and yes, I'm bitter. Could give a rats behind less about Glassner. Love Stargate. But that's just me.

GateGipsy
May 7th, 2004, 08:41 AM
I'm not saying that I don't believe Gipsy (I wouldn't dare, I'm certainly not stupid) but I never saw any shippiness between Jack and Janet. Daniel and Janet? Yeahsureyoubetcha. Broca Divide was, for me, the first episode that I really saw S/J ship in and not in just the locker room scene. But that's just my humble opinion and I know many people didn't see any ship at all in the early seasons of Stargate.
ROFL! Well, I didn't say that I saw it myself. But I don't see chemistry between Jack and Sam either, definitely none in episode one, so whenever someone says 'pairing from the start' I have to say - on whose authority? It's this stating things as facts that sets me on edge, rather than the discussion itself. People can discuss ship all they like, as long as it makes them happy I'm happy!

I read, quite some time ago, that they were thinking of setting Jack and Janet together, but that's it. I've never heard anything of an official 'plan' to get Jack and Sam together, and there definitely wasn't one right from the start.

But that's one for the ship discussion thread!

I follow everything Glassner does, in gratitude for SG1, just as I'll go see an Emmerich movie, in gratitude for Stargate in the first place. But personally I feel that Glassner's work was best when he worked with Brad Wright. They compliment each other brilliantly, as can as be seen in Outer Limits.

darklilac
May 7th, 2004, 11:13 AM
As said by RDA, 'We're not saving lives, we're entertaining them' :p

Oh, and if you dislike WoO, I pity you :(

Maybe RDA should try to save some lives because surely he's not entertaining anyone.

Oh, and I hate WOO. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mallozzi and Mullie should go back to what they were doing before, and that was writing cartoons or something like that.
It's not only what they write, it's their behavior, this obsession they have with Carter and the JS ship and they often laugh and mock the fans who don't like that.
Glassner was not like that, he did his job and he did it good.

epiphany
May 7th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Jonathan Glassner is working as a writer/consulting producer on CSI: Miami now, so technically he's moved up in the world, working on a successful network television series.

Jonathan Glassner knew about balance when it came to Stargate and balance is something that gets less and less each year he's been away as the storylines and characters get more and more farfetched and away from the original premise.

Lord Loz
May 7th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Maybe RDA should try to save some lives because surely he's not entertaining anyone.

Oh, and I hate WOO. :eek: :eek: :eek:



Well, I know for a fact he's entertaining the 4 friends who I know enjoy Stargate as well as myself. Plus the millions who tune in every week.

And to clarify, my comment was made as banter, nothing personal against people who dislike any aspect of the show. Guess I'll have to tone it down or make it clearer aye? ;)

stargate barbie
May 7th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Maybe RDA should try to save some lives because surely he's not entertaining anyone.

Oh, and I hate WOO. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mallozzi and Mullie should go back to what they were doing before, and that was writing cartoons or something like that.
It's not only what they write, it's their behavior, this obsession they have with Carter and the JS ship and they often laugh and mock the fans who don't like that.
Glassner was not like that, he did his job and he did it good.

hello neighbour...
can you say disrespectful? because WOW!

i can't speak for everyone, but personally RDA is definitely entertaining me, and from what i can gather, its pretty much why most people watch the show. because its entertaining.
i loved WOO but hey, i've disliked episodes that others have hated so, to each his own.
joe & paul are extemely talented writers, if they weren't then brad wright and jonathan glassner wouldn't have hired them. i've never heard them mock fans for any reason and i never viewed them as having any kind of "obsession" with any particular character or relationship. before anyone disputes their talent, i'd wait until they become as sucessful as they are.

if i'm not mistaken, stargate has only become more popular since joe & paul joined, thats gotta say something about the quality of the show. in my opinion season 4 was one of the best, and i doubt i'm alone here, if i am please let me know.

glassner was great, and i don't see why discussing whether he should come back or not, needs to have any relation to discussing if any other writer should leave.

as for the ship discussion, i know its a bit off topic, but what the hey.
i could see chemistry between jack & janet near the start, but nothing compared to some other characters ( who shall remain nameless here) and i never saw any serious intent to carry that any further. don't see what sense it would have made. i did see it from the start between certain other characters (again, nameless) and i think i heard somewhere (from an official source) that that nameless pair was always intended to have the ship thing goin' on from the start.

my god that was a long post. and i'm done :S

Madeleine
May 7th, 2004, 05:27 PM
This thread is about Mr Glassner. Not about Messrs Mullie & Mallozzi. If anyone has criticism of M&M that is not directly relevant to the subject of Jonathan Glassner it would be better posted in a separate thread (assuming that it doesn't break forum rules of course). Thanks.

prion
May 7th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Glassner will never return. He's writing and consulting on CSI: Miami. To return to Stargate, well... that would be like trading in a BMW for a Datson...

Many writers will stay with a show for 2-3 years, then move on, and continue the pattern. Many writers stay fresh that way. Others will get on a show and stay with it till it dies a painful death, which is how I see Stargate ending. Just my opinion.

morjana
May 7th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Jonathan Glassner is being credited as Executive Consultant, however, in Season Seven, his credit has been moved to the end credits.


Morjana

morjana
May 7th, 2004, 08:05 PM
I thought Season Six was excellent.

Season Seven started out a tad slow, but picked up for the last half of the season.

I'm looking forward to season eight.

morjana
May 7th, 2004, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE=GateGipsy]The original ship was intended to be between Jack and Janet, hence the scene in Broca Divide. When they decided to not go down that route I don't know. There is UST between the two in one of the early Stargate SG1 novels written, I believe, around season 1. >>>>

Where did you read that?

The only online information I ever read about Jack and Janet, was an interview with Teryl Rothery. She explained that the DIRECTOR of "The Broca Divide," William Gereghty, advised Teryl to play that scene with Jack in the isolation cell as if Janet and Jack had ONCE been lovers.


Morjana

Anthro Girl
May 8th, 2004, 12:52 AM
Glassner created the story that took SG from the movie into the series. Personally, I like Seasons 4 and beyond as much as I like 1-3. Glassner went on to do other things, so good for him! The series goes on...

If you're talking about writers, I'd love to see Heather Ash or Tor Alexander Valenza or Katharyn Powers come back and write a few. Those were some good ones.

Anubis
May 8th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Glassner was a great guy on the show, but since his departure I think the show has still been excellent

darklilac
May 8th, 2004, 06:32 AM
hello neighbour...
can you say disrespectful? because WOW!S

Off topic, but
sure you can say it, but why?
I didn't disrespect RDA, I know he still entertains some fans, even if surely not millions, he's not entertaining me, that's all.



if i'm not mistaken, stargate has only become more popular since joe & paul joined, .

You're mistaken, it didn't.
Since they joined the show lost many things, including fans.

I think talking about Mallozzi or Mullie is related to Glassner since they took his work and ruined it, and I don't understand why some of you get so mad if someone diss them, that's only an opinion.

Indiana
May 8th, 2004, 10:32 AM
There is a connection between Mull, Mallozzi and Glassner as said above. When Glassner left, the other two were hired in his stead.

Interview wise Glassner seemed a more sensible headed man, despite looking like a german porn star, like Wright and Robert C. Cooper wheras M&M always seem to be like silly little kids, not that it affects how they write. :rolleyes:

bcmilco
May 8th, 2004, 11:30 AM
You're mistaken, it didn't.
Since they joined the show lost many things, including fans.

That's not the impression I've gotten from the snip-its I've read on the internet.

Most of the blips I've read seem to indicate that the show has actually gotten better ratings each year, which obviously means more people are watching.

BTW if anyone has some comparable numbers for all the season I'd be interested in looking at them. :)

***
And I still think bringing Glassner back at this point wouldn't be the best idea.

darklilac
May 8th, 2004, 01:17 PM
If so many fans complain about the direction that the show took after season 4, it must mean something.

And about Glassner, that's your opinion, mine is that he was better than Mullie and Mallozzi.

Teal'c
May 8th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Well, with this kind of reaction I'm sure Joe is just itching to come back to GateWorld! :rolleyes:

stargate barbie
May 8th, 2004, 03:30 PM
Off topic, but
I didn't disrespect RDA, I know he still entertains some fans, even if surely not millions, he's not entertaining me, that's all.

.



ok, what you actually said was;
"Maybe RDA should try to save some lives because surely he's not entertaining anyone."
if i were rda, i would find that disrespectful. and you if your intent was to imply that you personally do not find him entertaining, then i think thats what you should have said in the first place.



Since they joined the show lost many things, including fans.

I think talking about Mallozzi or Mullie is related to Glassner since they took his work and ruined it, and I don't understand why some of you get so mad if someone diss them, that's only an opinion.

considering that the ratings have increased rather than decreased i don't think they've lost all that many fans, and if they have, they've replaced them with newer, better fans! :)
and again, the rest of what you said seems to me to fall into the category of disrespect, ya know, considering that you call it "dissing" them and all.

personally i think glassner was great. i think M&M are great. they are different in their styles, yes, but if they were ruining the show don't you think their bosses brad wright and jonathan glassner would have fired them by now?
glassner the great sure can hire some good writers as well as write some good stuff himself. just my opinion. sorry

bcmilco
May 8th, 2004, 03:52 PM
If so many fans complain about the direction that the show took after season 4, it must mean something.

And many fans are happy about the direction the show went after s4 that must mean something too. My point is there are always going to be some people who complain. That doesn't mean the majority of the people aren't still enjoying it... of course by the same right it doesn't mean they are enjoying it, but it's been my experience that the average viewer isn't going to continue to watch a show they aren't enjoying. Fans probably, but not the average viewer. Thus I would assume that the majority of the viewers are still enjoying the show more often then not.


And about Glassner, that's your opinion, mine is that he was better than Mullie and Mallozzi.

I respect that. However I think that M&M have done great things for the show. SO has Glassner, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to bring him back (I'm trying to keep it on topic, just play along ;))

prion
May 8th, 2004, 05:31 PM
If so many fans complain about the direction that the show took after season 4, it must mean something.

And about Glassner, that's your opinion, mine is that he was better than Mullie and Mallozzi.

I do agree on that. There was definitely fan squabbling when season four came around, and then season six, and then season seven. Well, nobody's happy and some are happy with every single episode so, well, that's the way it is with some fans.

In watching earlier syndicated episodes on Scifi, then watching a later episodei in syndication, the change in the show is pretty evident. For one thing, Jack was able to complete a full sentence :D