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MOSHGUIN1113
February 16th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Teal'c fed on and no life taken away wtf ?
I want an explaination please.

As the wraith died suddenly, shouldn't a large amount of the enzyme been transferred to Teal'c, just like Ford.

The_Carpenter
February 16th, 2008, 12:40 PM
he was only being life-sucked for roughly 10 seconds before Ronon killed the Wraith. Wraith typically don't start taking life until their enzyme has been introduced into the... happy meal

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Teal'c fed on and no life taken away wtf ?
I want an explaination please.

The Wraith didn't have time to actually take any. He was killed basically the moment he started.

tjmitchem
February 16th, 2008, 12:43 PM
Teal'c fed on and no life taken away wtf ?
I want an explaination please.

How do you know there wasn't any life taken away? I mean, the guy spent fifty plus years on the Odyssey (in Unending) and just wound up with a small streak of gray in his hair.

It's possible he lost 5 or 10 years from the feeding, it's just not visible on him. He wasn't fed on for very long. Not surprising, given he's a Jaffa.

tjmitchem
February 16th, 2008, 12:44 PM
The Wraith didn't have time to actually take any. He was killed basically the moment he started.

Beat me to it :)

Avenger
February 16th, 2008, 01:11 PM
he was only being life-sucked for roughly 10 seconds before Ronon killed the Wraith. Wraith typically don't start taking life until their enzyme has been introduced into the... happy meal

Indeed. Wraith don't just instantly take all of someone's life either. Plus, this was the first case of a Wraith feeding on a Jaffa. Teal'C probably tasted different than a human, which may have confused the Wraith as well.

Calicto
February 16th, 2008, 01:36 PM
The Wraith simply BEGAN to feed on Teal'c. This is evident in the lack of a more prominent handprint on Teal'c. There were blood marks, but clearly the enzyme hadn't fully been initiated into the blood stream and the feeding had not began.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 16th, 2008, 02:47 PM
We've seen this a few times before. Nothing new.

Aerilon
February 16th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Perhaps, Teal'C, alike Ronan and a few others, is immune to the Wraith feeding?

jenks
February 16th, 2008, 02:53 PM
Perhaps, Teal'C, alike Ronan and a few others, is immune to the Wraith feeding?

Ronon isn't immune to the feeding process.

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2008, 03:40 PM
Perhaps, Teal'C, alike Ronan and a few others, is immune to the Wraith feeding?

Uh where do you get that Ronon is immune to the feeding process.

Corgano
February 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM
As far as I know, Ronon IS immune to it. I think this was the reason why the wraith didn't kill him, but used him as a runner. I think it was mentioned in the episode, when Ronon was first introduced into the show.

jelgate
February 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Perhaps, Teal'C, alike Ronan and a few others, is immune to the Wraith feeding?

R-O-N-O-N=
:ronan:

Gaeth
February 16th, 2008, 04:29 PM
As far as I know, Ronon IS immune to it. I think this was the reason why the wraith didn't kill him, but used him as a runner. I think it was mentioned in the episode, when Ronon was first introduced into the show.

The Wraith started to feed, stopped and decided to do something different. So he could be immune or not. They (the writers) probably did that on purpose to heighten the mystery.

reddevil18
February 16th, 2008, 04:33 PM
The Wraith started to feed, stopped and decided to do something different. So he could be immune or not. They (the writers) probably did that on purpose to heighten the mystery.

And Mallozzi said he is NOT immune.

MattSilver 3k
February 16th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Ford was fed on in the same timeframe and he didn't lose squat (I imagine).

nx01a
February 16th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Obviously the shock Wraith feel from a grenade differs from the shock of having your spine shattered by a piece of broken pipe.

Aethon
February 16th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Well, either the Wraith didn't have any time to feed on Teal'c, or he just lost a couple of years. What is he like 180?

Shan Bruce Lee
February 16th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Well, either the Wraith didn't have any time to feed on Teal'c, or he just lost a couple of years. What is he like 180?

My best guess is about 140.

SoulReaver
February 16th, 2008, 11:29 PM
How do you know there wasn't any life taken away? I mean, the guy spent fifty plus years on the Odyssey (in Unending) and just wound up with a small streak of gray in his hair.

It's possible he lost 5 or 10 years from the feeding, it's just not visible on him. He wasn't fed on for very long. Not surprising, given he's a Jaffa.he was a jaffa

tretonin doesn't completely replace a symbiont - that's one of the gripes I have with the writers, they should never have taken away his symbiont (or at least they should've given him a new one)
the lack of symbiont has made him weak. a jaffa at full strength would've been a match for a wraith warrior

SoulReaver
February 16th, 2008, 11:33 PM
As far as I know, Ronon IS immune to it. I think this was the reason why the wraith didn't kill him, but used him as a runner. I think it was mentioned in the episode, when Ronon was first introduced into the show.as stated above, Malozzi said Ronon is not immune, furthermore that 2nd wraith warrior had Ronon pinned against the wall & was about to feed on him - Ronon was desperately trying to prevent him when Tealc shot the him (with Ronon's gun)

it's perfectly possible that Ronon is more resistant to feeding, but certainly not immune to it

Gaeth
February 17th, 2008, 01:26 AM
And Mallozzi said he is NOT immune.

There you have it then.


he was a jaffa

tretonin doesn't completely replace a symbiont - that's one of the gripes I have with the writers, they should never have taken away his symbiont (or at least they should've given him a new one)
the lack of symbiont has made him weak. a jaffa at full strength would've been a match for a wraith warrior

That depends on what your definition of was is:wraith37:

In the season six directors' commentary they said that one of the directions they were going with Teal'c was that he was regaining what he would have if the Jafa hadn't been altered by the Goa'uld. Essentially regaining his 'humanity'. If he still had a symbiote he would have died in "End Game". Plus at his age a new symbiote would reject him, same as Bra'tac. Maybe they can give him a 'cyber-symbiote" like a little robot in his belly that manufactures tretonin that way he doesn't have to shoot up.

JSPuddlejumper
February 17th, 2008, 03:50 AM
The situation should not have happened in the first place, Teal'C is way too strong, even without the snake. The Wraith was a just regular clone.

They took dramatic license, the 'final battle scene'.

Tupopoflungo
February 17th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Well, either the Wraith didn't have any time to feed on Teal'c, or he just lost a couple of years. What is he like 180?


My best guess is about 140.


SPECULATION:

He was 103 in season 4.

so at the start of unending he was 109

spent what...50 years on board?

159

add a year for the time between unending and Midway

160.

JSPuddlejumper
February 17th, 2008, 05:05 AM
160? Damn!

And he still fights like a 30 year old!

Puts even somebody like Randy Couture to shame!

JackHarkness_Hot
February 17th, 2008, 05:43 AM
Emm Teal'c is a Jaffa, they live for a very long time. He was fed for like what 5 seconds, then that's like a couple of years taken, he already lost 50 or so years and got a grey streak across his hair as a result, you honestly think that by being fed on for like 5 meesy seconds results in another additional 50 years being taken away from him?

**cue rolleyes!**

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 07:34 AM
That depends on what your definition of was ispast tense of be - same as yours (I hope -)


In the season six directors' commentary they said that one of the directions they were going with Teal'c was that he was regaining what he would have if the Jafa hadn't been altered by the Goa'uldmeh, first he needed a snake but now he needs regular injections of snake juice - that doesn't make him "more human", just more dependent


Plus at his age a new symbiote would reject him, same as Bra'tac. when was this stated in the series ? :tealcanime49:

Major_Griff
February 17th, 2008, 07:43 AM
when was this stated in the series ? :tealcanime49:

In threshhold, Bra'tec, who is younger than Teal'c now if you go by how old Teal'c was in The Light, said his current symbiote would be his last since he was too old for another. "It is how old warriors die." Which makes me think, we really have no idea how long Jaffa can live while on tretonin. Presumably much longer than the 150 or so year they can live with a snake in their gut.

wise one
February 17th, 2008, 08:39 AM
i dont think tealc lost any of his life since the wraith have to inject some goo in the host to feed

ford was fed on much longer than tealc yet ford managed to become superhuman yet then again his face was abit droopy

padr49904
February 17th, 2008, 08:51 AM
I think teal'cs tretonin acted as a antibody and stopped the wraith from feeding. Even though it was on him from a second, it stopped the wraith enzyme from entering him. Kinda like the Hoffans drug.

Mitchell82
February 17th, 2008, 09:01 AM
he was a jaffa

tretonin doesn't completely replace a symbiont - that's one of the gripes I have with the writers, they should never have taken away his symbiont (or at least they should've given him a new one)
the lack of symbiont has made him weak. a jaffa at full strength would've been a match for a wraith warrior

They didn't have much choice with them preparing the way the story was going with the Goa'uld. At first I agreed with you but not anymore.

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 12:12 PM
They didn't have much choice with them preparing the way the story was going with the Goa'uld. At first I agreed with you but not anymore.at one point Tealc, when he had his symbiont, told a goauld that the jaffa would simply use & throw away the snakes as the need arose, the same way the goauld used & disposed of their slaves

can't remember the episode though (the goauld had told Tealc that the jaffa would never be completely free of their masters as they'd always need a symbiont to survive)

anyhow, the writers could've still explored that option - like a goauld breeding farm or something

garhkal
February 17th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Obviously the shock Wraith feel from a grenade differs from the shock of having your spine shattered by a piece of broken pipe.

That is a good point. WE know from Ford that a sudden death to a feeding wraith puts lots of enzyme into you, so why did it not happen to Teal'c..

The_Carpenter
February 17th, 2008, 01:49 PM
That is a good point. WE know from Ford that a sudden death to a feeding wraith puts lots of enzyme into you, so why did it not happen to Teal'c..

Perhaps the Tretonin inhibited the function of the Wraith enzyme, there 's a great many substances that can inhibit enzyme functions in Humans.

padr49904
February 17th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Yeah thats what i thought it acted like the hoffin drug it stopped the flow of the enzyme posted it a couple comments up. Happy though that someone considered it like i did.

Hopefully in the upcoming episodes they will find out what kept the feeding from happening (if something did). Maybe if it was the tretonin they could make the Atlantis members take small amounts not enough to make their immune system die but just enough to stop feeding. Or will that make the wraith even weeker because we can beat almost everything they have then.

tranquility
February 17th, 2008, 03:07 PM
My best guess is about 140.

He is around 100 when the show started, (according to the episode with the light opium den), plus 50 years in unending, so he is probably 160 or so.

Alipeeps
February 17th, 2008, 03:38 PM
As far as I know, Ronon IS immune to it. I think this was the reason why the wraith didn't kill him, but used him as a runner. I think it was mentioned in the episode, when Ronon was first introduced into the show.

It was never explicitly stated in any episode why the Wraith chose not to feed and instead to use him as a runner and it was certainly never stated that he is immune. Joe Mallozzi has been asked on his blog and has stated that Ronon is NOT immune. One of the Fandemonium tie-in novels stated that Ronon was immune but sadly that was a case of fanon slipping through into canon and, as the author put it, one of the perils of writing in an ongoing (and therefore constantly updating) fandom. :)

Gaeth
February 17th, 2008, 07:12 PM
past tense of be - same as yours (I hope -)

meh, first he needed a snake but now he needs regular injections of snake juice - that doesn't make him "more human", just more dependent

when was this stated in the series ? :tealcanime49:

That's joke and a Family Guy reference. That does indirectly make him more human in away because it takes away the 'Faustian' bargain of great strength in exchange for having to carry around a horrible evil creature in his body. It doesn't make him more dependent, if fact since the drug can be made without a snake the jafa no longer need to keep the species that enslaved them around in great numbers or at all.

It was stated in the season six dvd directors commentary, as stated before, I think it was on either redemption or the changeling.

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 08:34 PM
That's joke and a Family Guy reference. That does indirectly make him more human in away because it takes away the 'Faustian' bargain of great strength in exchange for having to carry around a horrible evil creature in his body. It doesn't make him more dependent, if fact since the drug can be made without a snake the jafa no longer need to keep the species that enslaved them around in great numbers or at all. uh he'll have to spend the rest of his life on snake fluids, it's a treatment not a cure so yeah he's pretty much dependent. and for all we know the tretonin is what's still giving him that extra strength Frasier spoke of (compared to other humans), amongst other things, so part of that devil's bargain still subsists (although the absence of a sentient snake is a significant change, "in a way", yes)
a real rupture with his past would consist in restoring his human metabolism completely (inc. his immune system, still inactive) so as to dispense with the tretonin, although we don't know if that's even possible (could a sarcophagus or telchak device do that ?)

josh
February 17th, 2008, 08:37 PM
he is like 150. he wasnt fed on for long... so hes like 154 now... i bet he doesnt even care ahaa

Gaeth
February 17th, 2008, 09:16 PM
uh he'll have to spend the rest of his life on snake fluids, it's a treatment not a cure so yeah he's pretty much dependent. and for all we know the tretonin is what's still giving him that extra strength Frasier spoke of (compared to other humans), amongst other things, so part of that devil's bargain still subsists (although the absence of a sentient snake is a significant change, "in a way", yes)
a real rupture with his past would consist in restoring his human metabolism completely (inc. his immune system, still inactive) so as to dispense with the tretonin, although we don't know if that's even possible (could a sarcophagus or telchak device do that ?)

Yeah, that's why I brought up the cyber symbiote. I doubt anything like that will ever happen though.

He's definitely still dependent but not as dependent as relying on a evil parasite species for his life. I never thought otherwise, personally I hate the idea of having to be dependent on a drug for survival.

The original tretonin was made from Tok'ra so I wonder if they have some Goa'uld hatchery where they extract it or if they can synthesize it chemically. I'm going to go watch the changeling soon to refresh myself.

Now that makes me wonder where and who manufactures it now, the Tok'ra or the Jafa or both, and if Jafa have to buy it or if it's provided by the Jafa nation?

When Jack was turned into a Jafa by Hathor putting him in a sarcophagus changed him back. But then he wasn't born a Jafa. If they found a Goa'uld (or the relevant info) that knew how to make Jafa from humans then they could probably figure out how to alter them back. If sg1 had kept going as a show that may have come up as an issue.

nx01a
February 17th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Considering that he's older than his former teacher now and still going strong, I don't think we should be too shocked at Wraithing not bothering him much. He's survived much worse: an Asgard time dilation field.

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Yeah, that's why I brought up the cyber symbiote. I doubt anything like that will ever happen though.

He's definitely still dependent but not as dependent as relying on a evil parasite species for his life. I never thought otherwise, personally I hate the idea of having to be dependent on a drug for survival.

The original tretonin was made from Tok'ra so I wonder if they have some Goa'uld hatchery where they extract it or if they can synthesize it chemically. I'm going to go watch the changeling soon to refresh myself.

Now that makes me wonder where and who manufactures it now, the Tok'ra or the Jafa or both, and if Jafa have to buy it or if it's provided by the Jafa nation?

When Jack was turned into a Jafa by Hathor putting him in a sarcophagus changed him back. But then he wasn't born a Jafa. If they found a Goa'uld (or the relevant info) that knew how to make Jafa from humans then they could probably figure out how to alter them back. If sg1 had kept going as a show that may have come up as an issue.well no jaffa was born a jaffa, they were all born human then turned into jaffas during primtah, so yeah then a goa'uld sarcophagus should return Tealc to normal (still a shame that SG wasn't able to secure a single sarcophagus after more than 10 years of operation btw :/ )
we'd risk seeing Tealc get weaker yet though, so that wouldn't be the best option even from his p.o.v

yes maybe they could just manufacture some sort of "symbiont-implant" - like a snake but without a brain, and which doesn't grow & mature, just an snake-larva-like organ that squeezes out tretonin. this would call on some serious genetic mojo though


I was thinking about the free jaffa too, in fact I remember the jaffa resistants, way back, complaining that by accepting tretonin they'd only traded one dependency for another (and the fact their relations with the tauri were strained after the Dakara events in s10 ain't gonna help either)

thing is we don't know how many of the Free Jaffa are on tretonin, nor how they manufacture it if indeed they do make it on their own (for that matter we don't even know how the hell they maintain their tech & their ships, AFAIK there is no such thing as a "jaffa scientist"...)

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 09:36 PM
Considering that he's older than his former teacher now and still going strongyou sure ? he certainly doesn't look older...

nx01a
February 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Tritonin obviously also makes the taker immortal, barring violent death. ;)

I thought the Jaffa were a genetically engineered version of humans, bred and born with the pouches. Isn't the prim tah the puberty period when the body starts changing and begins requiring a symbiote? I thought the ceremony was the implantation of the first symbiote, not the transformation of a human adolescent into a Jaffa. Will check and see...

[The less said about 'Hathor', the better.]

SoulReaver
February 17th, 2008, 10:02 PM
my bad ! yeah, primtah is merely the implantation of a symbiont

aside from the episode with Hathor & Daniel we've never seen a human changed into a jaffa
Hathor vs Daniel may have been an exception - still, if Daniel was changed into a real jaffa (on-the-spot genetic alteration...???) then technically there's no difference between him & a "born & bred" jaffa, so a sarcophagus should work on Tealc as well

2ndgenerationalteran
February 17th, 2008, 11:33 PM
well jaffa physiology is much more resilient than human and he was using tretonin, it seems that a jaffa should last atleast twice as long as a normal human in feeding so Tealc would have lasted quite a long time. Feeding may not be instantaneous the wraith may have to wait a short time for the enzyme to take affect and that combined with the tretonin might do wonders for the food. And in the end the wraith did die suddenly and may have release extra enzyme healing him.

An-Alteran
February 17th, 2008, 11:36 PM
Jaffa are genetically engineered. Jack was just physiologically altered. The sarcophagus would "revert to save" on Jack... but Jaffa'ness is the "save" for Teal'c and other Jaffa-born Jaffa.

Gaeth
February 18th, 2008, 09:47 AM
well no jaffa was born a jaffa, they were all born human then turned into jaffas during primtah, so yeah then a goa'uld sarcophagus should return Tealc to normal (still a shame that SG wasn't able to secure a single sarcophagus after more than 10 years of operation btw :/ )
we'd risk seeing Tealc get weaker yet though, so that wouldn't be the best option even from his p.o.v



Jaffa as we know them are born jaffa, they just aren't dependent on a symbiote until they reach a certain age. Rya'c was still going to lose his immune system whether they gave him a primtah or not. When Teal'c stopped his implantation it almost killed him. This is similar to how Wraith are able to eat regular food until a certain age. They've shown Jaffa children in similar situations when they introduced Ishta.

Teal'c has been through a sarcophagus (they've never shown it, but mentioned it at the beginning of season 5). There may be a way to manually adjust a sarcophagus to change someone born a jaffa into a human.

SoulReaver
February 18th, 2008, 09:56 AM
so Daniel never became a true jaffa then ? :confused: (genetically speaking)

Gaeth
February 18th, 2008, 10:30 AM
so Daniel never became a true jaffa then ? :confused: (genetically speaking)

Jack was turned into a jaffa not Daniel. Daniel just got um 'assaulted' by Hathor. Jack's transformation may have used some retrovirus and because they caught it quick enough the sarcophagus was able to stop the transformation and reverse it.

SoulReaver
February 18th, 2008, 10:33 AM
oops yall are right it was Jack (gosh it dates way back :/ )


well he did have a pouch which by itself is quite a change (iirc it happened instantaneously...?) so I'm assuming the transformation was "complete" by then...
the virus theory is interesting but even a virus can't cause such a physical change (pouch) in seconds :tealcanime49:

Gaeth
February 18th, 2008, 10:41 AM
oops yall are right it was Jack (gosh it dates way back :/ )


well he did have a pouch which by itself is quite a change (iirc it happened instantaneously...?) so I'm assuming the change was "complete" by then...
also the retrovirus theory is interesting but even a virus can't cause such a physical change (pouch) in a few seconds :tealcanime49:

It may be that she made an immediate physical change but also there was a retrovirus working in the background to alter his dna so he could pass on jaffa traits.

SoulReaver
February 18th, 2008, 10:44 AM
It may be that she made an immediate physical change but also there was a retrovirus working in the background to alter his dna so he could pass on jaffa traits.that's plausible I guess :tealc:

this would explain why a sarcophagus doesn't "cure" a born jaffa, since there's nothing to cure


basically they'll need something to tinker with the genes if Tealc really wants to become fully human - like another retrovirus. they did something similar with the wraith, they could do it with the jaffa