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HyperspaceDaemon
February 14th, 2008, 05:18 AM
This episode was amazing and surprising for me, because I really had no idea that the human body can be so resistant when falling on the ground from such heights.

Out of 5 falls (1 McKay , 1 Keller, 3 Samantha) , only one resulted in a broken leg.

The characters in SGA are supposed to be normal human beings. So, why did the plot need to be so exaggerated ? I find it ridiculous that none of the three got a broken back bone when they first fell in that hole.

Apart from this, I have truly disliked the fact that those kids were so mean and selfish that they simply left alone three people who were in trouble , refusing to bring any help. The scenes with the kids were a waste of time .

Cory Holmes
February 14th, 2008, 07:28 AM
This episode was amazing and surprising for me, because I really had no idea that the human body can be so resistant when falling on the ground from such heights.

Out of 5 falls (1 McKay , 1 Keller, 3 Samantha) , only one resulted in a broken leg.

Let me tell you something about the sturdiness of the human body: we're a great deal tougher than we seem. I speak from experience as I work in factory that has come thiiiiiiiis close to breaking a bone in my ever-precious body. I've had fractured bones, been electrocuted, ripped-out my index fingernail, and nearly severed an artery in two. But no broken bones yet. :cool: So I can speak with a great deal of authority when I say that we're a good bit tougher than we seem :)

As for that initial fall, it would appear that their backpacks broke the majority of the fall and absorbed the impact. Same with the crates that McKay took out on his way down.

As for Carter's second fall, any broken bones depend entirely on how she fell on her feet. If you watch it you'll see that she landed feet first and then flopped around. If she landed straight up and down, the bone is at its strongest and can absorb the most impact (which is what appears happened).

On fall 3 she probably hit the floor at an angle and the stress was just too much. *snap*

VSS
February 14th, 2008, 07:31 AM
I had a friend who worked as a doctor for the armed forces in Guam for four years and she always said it was amazing how hard it was to kill a human being.

Because, by the time they (the locals) got to her, they were either on death's door or had been "treated" by a local practitioner.

Avenger
February 14th, 2008, 12:59 PM
This episode was amazing and surprising for me, because I really had no idea that the human body can be so resistant when falling on the ground from such heights.

Out of 5 falls (1 McKay , 1 Keller, 3 Samantha) , only one resulted in a broken leg.

The characters in SGA are supposed to be normal human beings. So, why did the plot need to be so exaggerated ? I find it ridiculous that none of the three got a broken back bone when they first fell in that hole.

Apart from this, I have truly disliked the fact that those kids were so mean and selfish that they simply left alone three people who were in trouble , refusing to bring any help. The scenes with the kids were a waste of time .

Okay, the answer we're really looking for is that it's a TV show. The human body always takes more punishment than it actually could in TV.

The funny thing about falls is that strange things happen and it all depends on how the person falls, lands, what they land on, etc. Anyone remember that window washer who fell from 400 feet just recently and survived? People survive insane skydiving accidents.

ykickamoocow
February 14th, 2008, 01:13 PM
I found it odd that McKay fell in the hole then both Carter and Keller fell in after him but neither landed on top of him. That would have been funny as hell if McKay fell in and then seconds later got landed on by one of the girls :D

garhkal
February 14th, 2008, 03:17 PM
As for that initial fall, it would appear that their backpacks broke the majority of the fall and absorbed the impact. Same with the crates that McKay took out on his way down.

From personal experience i can attest to this.. Backpacks do absorb some of the damage..

Shan Bruce Lee
February 14th, 2008, 03:27 PM
If you don't think the human body can take that much damage you should check out some behind-the-scenes stuff on a lot of action movies. Espescially Tony Jaa or Jackie Chan. I'm not saying the average person can land a 20 ft fall without breaking anything, I'm just saying it's not nearly as impossible as it may seem.

Avenger
February 14th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Some professional wrestlers take falls from those kinds of heights all the time as well.

Cory Holmes
February 14th, 2008, 05:38 PM
I found it odd that McKay fell in the hole then both Carter and Keller fell in after him but neither landed on top of him. That would have been funny as hell if McKay fell in and then seconds later got landed on by one of the girls :D
But Rodney did end up getting smooshed by Keller, if you look at how they were laying on him after the credits :)

Jeffala
February 14th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Some professional wrestlers take falls from those kinds of heights all the time as well.

This is true. And the things that they fall onto aren't really that cushy. Of course, their falls are usually carefully choreographed and they're trained to know how to fall.

Avenger
February 14th, 2008, 05:56 PM
That they are. It wouldn't be a stretch the believe that Carter has gotten some kind of training on how to take a fall sometime in her military career.

Jeffala
February 14th, 2008, 05:58 PM
And it'd be a smart idea to give that sort of training to anyone who regularly goes off-world.

Cory Holmes
February 14th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Much like how McKay was given weapon's training before he could go offworld.

Avenger
February 14th, 2008, 07:46 PM
He may have, for all we know.

ykickamoocow
February 14th, 2008, 07:55 PM
But Rodney did end up getting smooshed by Keller, if you look at how they were laying on him after the credits :)

She may have partially landed on him but im talking about completely landing on him. That would have been funny to see, not only McKay's reaction as Keller was falling but also his reaction about having a beautiful woman on top of him :D

Jeffala
February 14th, 2008, 08:01 PM
But Rodney did end up getting smooshed by Keller, if you look at how they were laying on him after the credits :)

He liked it.

1138
February 14th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I've been trying to find data (I have a passing interest in occupational safety studies) that shows the percentage of fatalities for all falls under 20 feet in order to see just how severe the falls were but I haven't found anything yet.

I did find that falls of the height seen in the episode account for a large proportion of fatalities from falling.

The CDC has data that confirms this:

- In Massachusetts, out of 56 fatal falls ranging in height from 3 to 130 feet, 52% were from a height of 20 feet or less
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/eLCOSH/docs/d0700/d000731/3.html

- Different study shows that 30 of 91 fatal falls were from a height of 20 feet or less.
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/Niosh/pdfs/00-116b.pdf

This suggests that falls from those heights can be fatal; but it can also indicate that such falls are more common and makes them over represented in the overall fatal fall statistics.

andromeda_dan
February 14th, 2008, 08:22 PM
She may have partially landed on him but im talking about completely landing on him. That would have been funny to see, not only McKay's reaction as Keller was falling but also his reaction about having a beautiful woman on top of him :D
Rodney can brag to Shepard that he's had women fall all over him.:)

Avenger
February 14th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Rodney had two ladies fall for him, if you will. :P

Cory Holmes
February 14th, 2008, 09:21 PM
He liked it.

I know I wouldn't mind those two ladies smooshing me... :cool:

ykickamoocow
February 14th, 2008, 09:32 PM
I know I wouldn't mind those two ladies smooshing me... :cool:

Agreed. There would certainly be worse ways to die.

I stand by my statement that it would have been really funny to see Keller land completely on top of him as both Keller's and McKay's reactions would have been hilarious :D

HyperspaceDaemon
February 15th, 2008, 06:12 AM
If you don't think the human body can take that much damage you should check out some behind-the-scenes stuff on a lot of action movies. Espescially Tony Jaa or Jackie Chan.

I'm not saying the average person can land a 20 ft fall without breaking anything, I'm just saying it's not nearly as impossible as it may seem.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to be "lucky" and escape unharmed from such a fall.

But I'm claiming that it's weird to see 5 falls in a row (in the same place and in almost identical conditions) resulting in only one broken leg.

Please believe me that I wouldn't have bothered to complain about the exaggerated situation if they had initially fallen on something smooth , not on solid concrete/wood !

KindlyKeller
February 15th, 2008, 06:42 AM
I'm not saying that it's impossible to be "lucky" and escape unharmed from such a fall.

But I'm claiming that it's weird to see 5 falls in a row (in the same place and in almost identical conditions) resulting in only one broken leg.

Please believe me that I wouldn't have bothered to complain about the exaggerated situation if they had initially fallen on something smooth , not on solid concrete/wood !

I didn't mind, but that's a reasonable complaint. When Sam fell during the first crate-stacking effort, I remember seeing her hold her arm/side and being surprised that she was up and about moments later. I can dismiss everyone's initial falls into the holes because of the backpack theory mentioned above, but the crate falls offered no such padding.

That-scary-insane-girl
February 15th, 2008, 04:05 PM
It was probely just pure luck that nobody broke anything before that. Also, I have had a friend who fell of a ladder that was about as high as the hole and did not break anything. I have also had a freind who fell of a small (2 foot high) brick wall and broke her arm. So you see, it all depends on how you fall and how lucky you are.

gopher65
February 16th, 2008, 05:44 PM
They didn't have to break an arm or a leg the first time they fell, but I'd have found it much more believable if someone had fractured a rib or a toe or something. 20 feet is a long, long way to fall on to solid metal. And Carter and Keller fell face first. At least Rodney fell straight down.

This same thing bugged me with Zelinka in Quarantine. He falls like 20 feet straight head down, smashes his head into the ground, and then bounds up not even bruised or cut. Uh.... right. *That* didn't jolt me out of the story and kill my suspension of belief. Someone want to test this? Dive head first off a 10 foot diving board into a 10 foot deep empty concrete pool and see if they survive?

HyperspaceDaemon
February 18th, 2008, 12:05 AM
It was probely just pure luck that nobody broke anything before that. Also, I have had a friend who fell of a ladder that was about as high as the hole and did not break anything. I have also had a freind who fell of a small (2 foot high) brick wall and broke her arm. So you see, it all depends on how you fall and how lucky you are.

That's precisely what bothered me : they were *too* lucky. And for me
too much luck translates into a too convenient/exaggerated plot .

KindlyKeller
February 18th, 2008, 01:47 AM
That's precisely what bothered me : they were *too* lucky. And for me
too much luck translates into a too convenient/exaggerated plot .

I think your complaint is perfectly fair, but the more you stop and think about it, there's a LOT of things in the Stargate universe that are pretty convenient. I try to just tune that aspect out.

HyperspaceDaemon
February 18th, 2008, 04:30 AM
I think your complaint is perfectly fair, but the more you stop and think about it, there's a LOT of things in the Stargate universe that are pretty convenient. I try to just tune that aspect out.

Thanks for your comment.
I know that there are many issues in SG ... too many .

Sometimes it's hard for me to ignore such elements : if the flaw
is too obvious I don't try to ignore it , but instead I'm blaming the
writers for not avoiding the obvious logical flaws in the plots.
Particularly when the issues could be easily avoided if someone
bothered to think about them and do something.

Unfortunately these small convenient/lucky elements add up ,
with unfortunate results : i am having trouble with watching SGA
together with my girlfriend who is now considering that the whole
show got too "boring" . Sometimes I can raise her interest if it's
a Wraith episode , but overall she'd rather do anything else.
A few years ago we were watching 3-4 episodes in a row (SG1) ...
I guess that the whole Ori business was a big step in the wrong
direction and made us much more alert to the frequent
lucky=convenient part of the SG episodes : things are simply
getting less and less credible.

gopher65
February 18th, 2008, 06:48 AM
i am having trouble with watching SGA
together with my girlfriend who is now considering that the whole
show got too "boring" .
This likely has less to do with the quality of SG-1 and SG:A changing (it's always been cheesy and stupid, but I liked it anyway) than it does with "burnout". It is only natural that that happens to people. You start to selectively remember past episodes, filtering out the garbage and remembering the good times, so that the current episodes seem bad in comparison. Now I'm not saying Trio wasn't bad, cause it was (among the worst episodes ever), but the tendency to judge each episode more harshly than the previous episodes is normal. We all do it.

As an example, I did it with Enterprise. After that many continuous years of Trek I was just burnt out, even though I still liked Trek in general. Now Enterprise wasn't a perfect show by any means (no shows are), but I'm liking it a lot more in reruns after 3 years Trek-free than I did while it was on the air. Now I judge each episode on its own merits instead of selectively comparing each episode to to the very best of the hundreds upon hundreds of episodes that had come before.

Burnout:).