Welcome to the Season Five 'Complaints and Misgivings' thread.
To lay out a few ground rules:
This thread, and its mate, 'Season Five: Compliments and Praise' thread are to be the ONLY season specific limited focus threads. Any other, what we would have termed as general 'pro' or 'anti' threads will not be allowed and will be closed down.
The rules of this thread are simple. This is a 'safety zone' for people to express their complaints and misgivings without feeling like they are being forced to defend those opinions. As such, if you disagree with a post, comments such as 'you stupid idiot, season five is the best ever' or 'only idiots don’t love season five' will NOT be tolerated.
ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS ABOUT SEASON FIVE ARE ON TOPIC HERE.
Bear in mind, you may be complaining that Chuck has too few lines, but someone else's complaint may be that he has too many. Both comments are on topic. And both comments MUST be respected and tolerated. We do not want to see things like 'This is only for complaints about (one certain aspect/character) go away.' People do not have to justify their complaints.
While you are free to complain about any aspect of the SHOW that you do not like, you are NOT allowed to complain about other fans, other forums or members of the cast and crew. You can complain about the CHARACTERS and what they do however.
For example:
'Joe Mallozzi is a twit' is inappropriate.
'I don't like Joe's writing' is okay.
'I'm glad that Amanda has been gotten rid of' is inappropriate.
'Thank goodness Sam has been written off the show' is okay.
Characters are not real people, they are fictional representations, therefore are not availed the same protection as real people. I know that, as a fan of a particular character or actor, it can be difficult to see people making unkind remarks about the character; however it is not against the rules, so you must accept it.
Terms like 'TIIC' (the idiots in charge) are not permissible. Anyone making remarks with terms such as this, even hiding it under spoiler tags, will be a candidate for moderation.
If you see a post that is inappropriate, your job, as it is, is to REPORT THE POST or ignore it and move on. It is not your job to police others and there is nothing wrong with using the report post feature.
We will also not tolerate things such as fans spying on fans. Can we stop you from spying? No. But we can stop you from talking about it. Comments like 'that serves those stupid chuck fans' are inappropriate. It falls under talking about other fans and is not allowed.
To put the rules in a nutshell….complain about the show to your hearts content. But do it while respecting others.
Do not disparage another's opinion.
Do not mock or belittle others.
Do not call others names.
That stuff is off topic. The topic is 'Complaints and Misgivings About Season Five', and it will be enforced.
How will we enforce it?
Glad you asked.
We will be using the infraction system. For those of you that have received infractions, until this point in time, we simply used them to communicate issues with posters in a way that allowed us to document the original post, as well as what we say to you in our PM's. The infraction system has a point system linked to it, that, until this point, we've ignored.
But we will be using it now.
Anyone breaking the on topic rules in the Complaints or Complilment thread will be given an infraction. You all know the rules, thus there will not be warnings issued. This post is your warning.
On the rare occasions that we see brand new posters misstepping in the narrow focus treads, they will receive ONE warning. This warning does not apply to our current and active members. You folks that have been here for months and years and have hundreds of posts, you know better.
Infraction One: You are 'gagged' for three days. Which means that you will be placed on read only status. You may make posts, but those posts will be held in the mod queue until your three days are over.
Infraction Two: You are gagged for six days and any posts you make while you are gagged will be deleted.
Infraction Three: You are gagged for two weeks and you will be counseled by a member of the mod team. You will discuss with them what the issues are and see what the problem is. This is also the point where the other mods will get involved. We'll discuss this particular poster's issues amongst ourselves and see what we can do to help.
Infraction Four: You are gagged for a month.
Infraction Five: You are permantly gagged. If you are found to be creating a sock puppet to circumvent the gagging, it will be banned.
While infractions – to this point – have not been cumulative, in the Complaints or Compliments threads, they WILL be cumulative. Any behavior infractions earned in these threads will never expire.
It does sound harsh, however those of you that have never had a post snipped or deleted, you likely won't notice anything different. Those of you that have gotten to know the mods well, you will need to be making adjustments to your behavior.
These infractions will apply ONLY to the limited focus threads. Thus, if you get gagged for 3 days in a Complaint or Compliment thread and then get a sig rule violation in another thread, it won't add up to six days of gagging.
However, if we do see people taking their bicker matches out of the narrow focus threads and into others, we will react. Talking about other fans behind their backs, calling them names and the like is against the rules of this forum and will be dealt with.
We don't want to lose people. However, over the past several months, the nastiness has gotten so horrible and so pervasive, that we really have no other choice. Posters are welcome as long as they follow the rules, however, out of fairness to the majority of our posters, if posters will not behave and respect others, they will need to find somewhere else to play.
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To lay out a few ground rules:
This thread, and its mate, 'Season Five: Compliments and Praise' thread are to be the ONLY season specific limited focus threads. Any other, what we would have termed as general 'pro' or 'anti' threads will not be allowed and will be closed down.
The rules of this thread are simple. This is a 'safety zone' for people to express their complaints and misgivings without feeling like they are being forced to defend those opinions. As such, if you disagree with a post, comments such as 'you stupid idiot, season five is the best ever' or 'only idiots don’t love season five' will NOT be tolerated.
ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS ABOUT SEASON FIVE ARE ON TOPIC HERE.
Bear in mind, you may be complaining that Chuck has too few lines, but someone else's complaint may be that he has too many. Both comments are on topic. And both comments MUST be respected and tolerated. We do not want to see things like 'This is only for complaints about (one certain aspect/character) go away.' People do not have to justify their complaints.
While you are free to complain about any aspect of the SHOW that you do not like, you are NOT allowed to complain about other fans, other forums or members of the cast and crew. You can complain about the CHARACTERS and what they do however.
For example:
'Joe Mallozzi is a twit' is inappropriate.
'I don't like Joe's writing' is okay.
'I'm glad that Amanda has been gotten rid of' is inappropriate.
'Thank goodness Sam has been written off the show' is okay.
Characters are not real people, they are fictional representations, therefore are not availed the same protection as real people. I know that, as a fan of a particular character or actor, it can be difficult to see people making unkind remarks about the character; however it is not against the rules, so you must accept it.
Terms like 'TIIC' (the idiots in charge) are not permissible. Anyone making remarks with terms such as this, even hiding it under spoiler tags, will be a candidate for moderation.
If you see a post that is inappropriate, your job, as it is, is to REPORT THE POST or ignore it and move on. It is not your job to police others and there is nothing wrong with using the report post feature.
We will also not tolerate things such as fans spying on fans. Can we stop you from spying? No. But we can stop you from talking about it. Comments like 'that serves those stupid chuck fans' are inappropriate. It falls under talking about other fans and is not allowed.
To put the rules in a nutshell….complain about the show to your hearts content. But do it while respecting others.
Do not disparage another's opinion.
Do not mock or belittle others.
Do not call others names.
That stuff is off topic. The topic is 'Complaints and Misgivings About Season Five', and it will be enforced.
How will we enforce it?
Glad you asked.
We will be using the infraction system. For those of you that have received infractions, until this point in time, we simply used them to communicate issues with posters in a way that allowed us to document the original post, as well as what we say to you in our PM's. The infraction system has a point system linked to it, that, until this point, we've ignored.
But we will be using it now.
Anyone breaking the on topic rules in the Complaints or Complilment thread will be given an infraction. You all know the rules, thus there will not be warnings issued. This post is your warning.
On the rare occasions that we see brand new posters misstepping in the narrow focus treads, they will receive ONE warning. This warning does not apply to our current and active members. You folks that have been here for months and years and have hundreds of posts, you know better.
Infraction One: You are 'gagged' for three days. Which means that you will be placed on read only status. You may make posts, but those posts will be held in the mod queue until your three days are over.
Infraction Two: You are gagged for six days and any posts you make while you are gagged will be deleted.
Infraction Three: You are gagged for two weeks and you will be counseled by a member of the mod team. You will discuss with them what the issues are and see what the problem is. This is also the point where the other mods will get involved. We'll discuss this particular poster's issues amongst ourselves and see what we can do to help.
Infraction Four: You are gagged for a month.
Infraction Five: You are permantly gagged. If you are found to be creating a sock puppet to circumvent the gagging, it will be banned.
While infractions – to this point – have not been cumulative, in the Complaints or Compliments threads, they WILL be cumulative. Any behavior infractions earned in these threads will never expire.
It does sound harsh, however those of you that have never had a post snipped or deleted, you likely won't notice anything different. Those of you that have gotten to know the mods well, you will need to be making adjustments to your behavior.
These infractions will apply ONLY to the limited focus threads. Thus, if you get gagged for 3 days in a Complaint or Compliment thread and then get a sig rule violation in another thread, it won't add up to six days of gagging.
However, if we do see people taking their bicker matches out of the narrow focus threads and into others, we will react. Talking about other fans behind their backs, calling them names and the like is against the rules of this forum and will be dealt with.
We don't want to lose people. However, over the past several months, the nastiness has gotten so horrible and so pervasive, that we really have no other choice. Posters are welcome as long as they follow the rules, however, out of fairness to the majority of our posters, if posters will not behave and respect others, they will need to find somewhere else to play.
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Still, I'd rather have a character who wholly belongs to Atlantis rather than one who comes with baggage from another show. Particularly a dead one. Folks used to mock me for worrying about the amount of crossover material, but now look at it- one of our biggest baddies is an SG-1 baddie, Sam, a lead character from SG-1 became a lead character on Atlantis, Woolsey, a PITA from SG-1 is now Atlantis's PITA, Daniel has (or will be?) visiting and so will Teal'c, apparently. Jack's already been and gone. I appreciate that the two shows are set in the same universe, but that doesn't mean that Atlantis should be used as life support for a dessicated corpse.
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