Season Five : Complaints and Misgivings

[Jackie]

Look at it this way, if they decide to kill Zelenka off in S5, it'll probably be a blessing- at least if he's dead TPTB won't be able to further destroy his character.

Really, though, it'd be a pretty sad and desperate situation if you want your favorite characters killed off just to spare them any humiliation...

Death won't stop tptb from completely destroying a character. if they choose they will continue to do so.

Stealing shoes is a normal guy response?

Only if that "normal" guy was a serial rapist or killer looking for a trophy.

[mod snip}

I honestly thought the whole Zelenka w/ Shoes in closet comment was a joke. Was it really a thought/idea to put in the episode?

Awww how can anyone want to degrade Dr.Z?

of course it's a joke...just it's a sick joke. tptb still think that "Stargate is a comedy disguised as a sience fiction show." as JM stated in his blog.

I'm a man and I though the comment McKay made to Sam was a disgrace. Sam should have decked him. The Sam/Keller conversatio about sam's personal life gets cut so we can see McKay look like a perv again. That comment would not happen with RDA and Gekko IMO. TPTB of Atlantis cannot help to show their love for McKay and Sheppard and any other characters can be reduced or kicked off the show IMO.

I can just imagine how much better SGA could have been for the last few years if Gekko remained in charge. Currently SGA reflects season 9 and 10 of SG-1...I didn't care for that version of stargate either. Of course, those two seasons were to be a new show called Stargate Command.

[justhere1971]

*falls off chair laughing*

My problem with Larrin is where is the credibility? If she's busy beating & then trying to seduce her captives, where is she earning her people's trust? Exactly what have we seen to imply that? We're suppose to make a lot of leap of faith in SGA these days, and even with it being sci-fi some human elements should not be forced.

[Falcon Horus]

...or overall the whole *Star Trek* feeling. Sadly I do believe TPTb think themselves the next Sci-Fi frontiersmen and SGA is that frontier.

To boldly go where no men has gone before... I don't think I wanna know where that is.

[Jackie]

*falls off chair laughing*

My problem with Larrin is where is the credibility? If she's busy beating & then trying to seduce her captives, where is she earning her people's trust? Exactly what have we seen to imply that? We're suppose to make a lot of leap of faith in SGA these days, and even with it being sci-fi some human elements should not be forced.

Larrin? Oh, boy is that character poised for a major let down. Yep, she's kinky I guess...and sheppard's IQ drops by half every time she's around and he always seems to be in a bind.

Larrin is the next incarnation of Vala...excpet CB could hold your attention better.

Larrin is the "space pirate" of SGA. She doesn't really come across as the leader of a society, just the captain of a rogue ship. She's really no "Han Solo" either...a bit flaky and fickle. Changed directions at the drop of a hat. I guess she was supposed to be that way...I think Larrin as a actual "pirate" would have been easier to swallow than a society of traveling pirates that lie, cheat, steal and are heavily into bondage.

[mcbarr]

I originally joked about Woolsey being in charge on Gateworld and look what happened. Better not give TPTB more ideas......

I also made that joke. But when you think of it, Woolsey was TPTB's safest choice. Think about it. If they brought Caldwell, or any other military officer, or any other serious person for that matter, to take command of Atlantis, such a move would reflect badly on Carter and her leadership skillz, and that cannot happen.

By choosing Woolsey, they can blame Carter's removal from command on the IOA and so forth. And, as JM made clear, he considers the leadership position on Atlantis support role. Maybe he thinks that, by putting a low profile character like Woolsey in charge of Atlantis, those annoying fans will stop complaining about the expedition leader being wallpapered, you know, so they can concentrate on their fave characters, idiotic jokes, sexual innuendos, etc.

Larrin is the "space pirate" of SGA. She doesn't really come across as the leader of a society, just the captain of a rogue ship. She's really no "Han Solo" either...a bit flaky and fickle. Changed directions at the drop of a hat. I guess she was supposed to be that way...I think Larrin as a actual "pirate" would have been easier to swallow than a society of traveling pirates that lie, cheat, steal and are heavily into bondage.

And her people are the new Lucian Alliance.

[ShadowMaat]

Bringing in Woolsey means TPTB can pretend to have dissension in the ranks again and build up a lot of false conflict between Woolsey and Sheppard. As Capt. Jack would say, "Wow, how homoerotic." Alas, it won't be that kinda conflict and the result will probably side mostly with Shep doing whatever the hell he wants, same as always.

[Chrysalis]

I also made that joke. But when you think of it, Woolsey was TPTB's safest choice. Think about. If they brought Caldwell, or any other military officer, or any other serious person for that matter, to take command of Atlantis, such a move would reflect badly on Carter and her leadership skillz, and that cannot happen.

Good point. I hadn't looked at it like that before. Isn't it funny how they'll go to any length to protect Carter's image, but they're perfectly willing to destroy Weir. The character has been treated appallingly, but JM and co don't care, because to them, the SGA character are expendable. Unlike the SG1 characters.

And whoever said he said Atlantis is comedy disguised as scifi --- I don't know about you, but that just says to me that he'd rather not be doing scifi. He probably sees it as beneath him. If that's the case, it's an insult to every SG fan out there.

[blue-skyz]

my issue with Larrin and all the other female aliens SGA has run ito so far has been that it all has had that *Kirk* feeling..

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why Sheppard is constantly compared to Kirk. My mouth always drops open every time I read it.

Someone who thinks he is “constantly Kirking” please list for me every Kirk-like instance that you see.

There are four kisses in 76 episodes: Sanctuary, Epiphany, The Tower and Travelers.
Don’t bother listing them.

[mcbarr]

Good point. I hadn't looked at it like that before. Isn't it funny how they'll go to any length to protect Carter's image, but they're perfectly willing to destroy Weir. The character has been treated appallingly, but JM and co don't care, because to them, the SGA character are expendable. Unlike the SG1 characters.

It could also be argued JM & Co. can't mess with Carter due to the future SG-1 movies cause from the little I've seen of s4, they also treated her like garbage, but yeah, not to the point of destroying the character.

[Suzotchka]

There are four kisses in 76 episodes: Sanctuary, Epiphany, The Tower and Travelers.
Don’t bother listing them.

And the one between him and Weir in the Long Goodbye and the one with him and Teyla in ... ?

[marielabbott]

And the one between him and Weir in the Long Goodbye and the one with him and Teyla in ... ?

Conversion.

[blue-skyz]

And the one between him and Weir in the Long Goodbye and the one with him and Teyla in ... ?

He wasn't himself. They don't count.

[Chrysalis]

Um... Tame has said to stay on topic, meaning positivity about s5 needs to go somewhere else.

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[ses110]

I wonder if AT or DH protested about the line. I would have. It's suppose to be Atlantis and not Animal House. Regarding Gekko it was a dark day when they left. I feel like sending out a search part for Gekko.

[stclare]

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why Sheppard is constantly compared to Kirk. My mouth always drops open every time I read it.

Someone who thinks he is “constantly Kirking” please list for me every Kirk-like instance that you see.

There are four kisses in 76 episodes: Sanctuary, Epiphany, The Tower and Travelers.
Don’t bother listing them.

The Tower, man that was a bad ep. I could never get how Shep forgot about Rodney being trapped down in that ship, whilst he got his groove on with Princess Bride. I mean he ordered rodney to shoot the drones knowing it could colapse on my poor wee Rodders. Shame on you shep, why wernt you trying to get to your team mate.

For me Kirking doesnt mean sex. I see kirking more as a state of mind I think shep get into, (ala the ep with volcano cant think of the name) He didnt actualy kiss her but the kirkyness was there in the way he acted around her. same with travellers I think he looses his credibility when confronted with women by pulling that act. I want to see him act respectfull not try and pull the "look at me arnt i pretty" card.

I dont think we will ever agree on Larrin or Kirking because we see them in different ways.

nice chatting with you though