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i don't care about the gender of the writers, i'd just like someone with some fresh ideas and some sense of dignity
i'm tired of all alien women being pretty, thin little things with her boobs hanging out throwing herself all over shep or rod. or the male aliens being lascivious letchers that are only good for a yuk-yuk joke.
i'm sick of jokes at the cost of other characters and juvenile humor.
i want cruddy slapstick, i'll put in American Pie or some other piece of drek.
the show used to have some real dignity and didnt need explosions to tell a story.
i think back to Tangent, where the characters were separated for 90% of the show, but there was this quiet desperation to save jack and teal'c...and this dignified impendinig death sense and it was just fun. these people cared for and about each other.
beyond the clumsy shep/teyla and shep/weir, there's not much caring going on iwth the sga crew. (my opinion, no offense to anyone that likes it....i just personally wouldn't use shep for anything but sex . he's too immature for anything beyond that. and these writers couldn't write a real relationship if their lives depended on it)
and honestly, shep is such an immature soul, who would want him???? its' like cameron being the 'wow, what a great leader' in season 9 and 10....who then acted like a 19 year old on ritalyn.
you can't have 'responsible leader' and 'roguish youthfulness' in the same character. but these writers seem obsessed with that characterization.
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Originally posted by Skydiver View Posti don't care about the gender of the writers, i'd just like someone with some fresh ideas and some sense of dignity
Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
i'm tired of all alien women being pretty, thin little things with her boobs hanging out throwing herself all over shep or rod. or the male aliens being lascivious letchers that are only good for a yuk-yuk joke.
Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
i'm sick of jokes at the cost of other characters and juvenile humor.
Originally posted by Skydiver View Posti want cruddy slapstick, i'll put in American Pie or some other piece of drek.
the show used to have some real dignity and didnt need explosions to tell a story.
i think back to Tangent, where the characters were separated for 90% of the show, but there was this quiet desperation to save jack and teal'c...and this dignified impendinig death sense and it was just fun. these people cared for and about each other.
beyond the clumsy shep/teyla and shep/weir, there's not much caring going on iwth the sga crew. (my opinion, no offense to anyone that likes it....i just personally wouldn't use shep for anything but sex . he's too immature for anything beyond that. and these writers couldn't write a real relationship if their lives depended on it)
No arguments from me on the ship stuff. YUK. Shep settle down? Good grief, I don't think so somehow!
Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
and honestly, shep is such an immature soul, who would want him???? its' like cameron being the 'wow, what a great leader' in season 9 and 10....who then acted like a 19 year old on ritalyn.
you can't have 'responsible leader' and 'roguish youthfulness' in the same character. but these writers seem obsessed with that characterization.
You know I love Shep to bits, but him settle down? Nope. I just can't see it. I don't see him as immature per se, more a restless soul who doesn't want the emotional baggage which inevitably comes with a relationship. But, I don't disagree relationship stuff isn't written well by the writers often. I can't get over Katie and Rodney. The pair of them seems so disfunctional and naive together. Are people in their thirties really like that? Sorry if anyone here is! )sigpic
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Originally posted by marielabbott View PostIs anyone else very fearful that Teyla's baby will be kidnapped? Man, I do not want to see that happen. Cliche, cliche, cliche.
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Originally posted by Skydiver View Posti'm tired of all alien women being pretty, thin little things with her boobs hanging out throwing herself all over shep or rod. or the male aliens being lascivious letchers that are only good for a yuk-yuk joke.
i'm sick of jokes at the cost of other characters and juvenile humor.
the show used to have some real dignity and didnt need explosions to tell a story.
beyond the clumsy shep/teyla and shep/weir, there's not much caring going on iwth the sga crew. (my opinion, no offense to anyone that likes it....i just personally wouldn't use shep for anything but sex . he's too immature for anything beyond that. and these writers couldn't write a real relationship if their lives depended on it)
You are trying to impress me aren't ye?
Amazing post Sky, you should do it more often
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Originally posted by ShadowMaat View PostI've just come up with a brilliant theory to explain everything: Atlantis is TPTB's midlife crisis. It explains everything! What do men having a midlife crisis do? Cling to their treasured past (SG-1) and go after younger and younger women (just look at the cast). A man going through a midlife crisis can be a lot like a horny teenage male- obsessed with sex/women, fast rides and in this case we'll add in big explosions, too (and not go in any pervy directions with that, thank you). Atlantis has a LOT more ships than it used to- none of them bigger than Atlantis itself, and we all know men are obsessed with size.
That's gotta be it. All the problems with Atlantis, from the prevalence of busty females to the juvenelizing of the characters to the bigger and better ships to the inability to stay on one subject (or one cast line-up)... SGA is a midlife crisis. I rest my case.
To the bolded part -> You shouldn't have added the part in brackets. You really shouldn't have said that.
Originally posted by Reefgirl View Postget in some fresh blood, like Paul Cornell and Stephen Moffat who can write proper creepy sci fi
Originally posted by marielabbott View PostIs anyone else very fearful that Teyla's baby will be kidnapped? Man, I do not want to see that happen. Cliche, cliche, cliche.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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Originally posted by Chailyn View PostAlthough, according to JM, I think this is the direction they want to go in for Zelenka, which has me scared for S5. Maybe he'll start cross-dressing next! (spoilers for JM's blog)
Spoiler:Itxas lamia writes: “…the most destacable one being the infamous ‘Zelenka bashing’ one.
[…]…honestly I can’t imagine Weir saying such things.”
Answer: In all fairness, there is a scene from the season 3 episode Common Ground in which two dozen pairs of women’s shoes are discovered in Zelenka’s closet including Weir’s missing patent leather pumps. Unfortunately, the scene was cut for time but the deleted footage can still be found among the boxset special features.
Seriously?? He's breaking into people's rooms and stealing their stuff?? They wanted to include that in Common Ground?Originally posted by justhere1971 View PostI honestly thought the whole Zelenka w/ Shoes in closet comment was a joke. Was it really a thought/idea to put in the episode?
Awww how can anyone want to degrade Dr.Z?
Originally posted by Jackie View PostI would consider this an anti thread to discuss what issues you have with the show. if you don't have issues there is another thread to post what you like about the show.
I'm not here to bash the show and flame people. I'm hear to discuss issues I have about the changes and general writing with others who feel similar to the way I do.
Originally posted by Linzi View PostI have one main concern though. That's the character focus episodes. I haven't always enjoyed the way in season 4 that some episodes have been dedicated to one sole character to the exclusion of everyone else. I understand season 4 had baby issues, and so understand, but I'm not sure I want episodes with one character and not really anyone else. Even if it's my favourite character. I enjoy my fav characters WHEN they interact with the team, and I am worried that if this trend continues into season 5 that I will be disappointed at the lack of a team feel to the show.
As Linzi said, I think the unusual amount of these episodes in Season 4 has been mostly down to baby issues, with Rachel's pregnancy and both Jason and David facing impending fatherhood, so I do hope it is a trend that doesn't continue in Season 5.sigpic
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Originally posted by justhere1971 View PostBy aliens? I will go in with you on that bet -- if there is a bet.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostWell, I'm quite sure something's going to happen to the wee lad. The temptation not to is just way too big, and it would turn Teyla darker, right? Right? ... Yeah right...
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Originally posted by Skydiver View Posti don't care about the gender of the writers, i'd just like someone with some fresh ideas and some sense of dignity
i'm tired of all alien women being pretty, thin little things with her boobs hanging out throwing herself all over shep or rod. or the male aliens being lascivious letchers that are only good for a yuk-yuk joke.
i'm sick of jokes at the cost of other characters and juvenile humor.
i want cruddy slapstick, i'll put in American Pie or some other piece of drek.
the show used to have some real dignity and didnt need explosions to tell a story.
i think back to Tangent, where the characters were separated for 90% of the show, but there was this quiet desperation to save jack and teal'c...and this dignified impendinig death sense and it was just fun. these people cared for and about each other.
beyond the clumsy shep/teyla and shep/weir, there's not much caring going on iwth the sga crew. (my opinion, no offense to anyone that likes it....i just personally wouldn't use shep for anything but sex . he's too immature for anything beyond that. and these writers couldn't write a real relationship if their lives depended on it)
and honestly, shep is such an immature soul, who would want him???? its' like cameron being the 'wow, what a great leader' in season 9 and 10....who then acted like a 19 year old on ritalyn.
you can't have 'responsible leader' and 'roguish youthfulness' in the same character. but these writers seem obsessed with that characterization.
I know it's been said before but it's about time Sheppard and Rodney came out of a very overcrowded closet, after all everyone likes to jump on a successful bandwagon and as Torchwood is doing so well on both sides of the Atlantic I'd have thought the writers would have sneaked a little M/M action to boost ratings, they've tried everything else.
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Originally posted by marielabbott View PostIs anyone else very fearful that Teyla's baby will be kidnapped? Man, I do not want to see that happen. Cliche, cliche, cliche.sigpic
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostWell, I'm quite sure something's going to happen to the wee lad. The temptation not to is just way too big, and it would turn Teyla darker, right? Right? ... Yeah right...
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Originally posted by marielabbott View PostMicheal is my theory. Please, don't let this be true.
If they want dark--I mean really depressing dark--and solve the problem of what to do with the child, they could kill him. But I don't think TPTB would do that. Nor do I want them too. But kidnapping would add some angst for Teyla and keep her stepping through the gate, searching for him. It seems like an easy solution, that's why I'm really afraid the writers will take this route. I would much rather see her struggle with being a parent to a normal child and balancing her duties on the team.
Originally posted by Suzotchka View PostLast time they wanted things darker they changed the uniforms to leather.
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Originally posted by Linzi View PostI don't want that to happen either, because I actually get pretty distressed about kidnapped baby plots. It reminds me of when that's happened to people in RL. But what concerns me is how she can carry on on the team with a young baby to look after. How can that happen, if she's nursing etc ? So it's possible it might, I suppose, because it's a convenient way to off load the sprog. Maybe the father could look after him? Or Teyla's people? But would Teyla do that, let go of her child? Hmmm, it's going to be very difficult to explain this one, I think.
first because of the RL implications... but also because SGA isn't about this TO ME. Getting this into one character's whole personal drama is just over the top IMHO and they have done that way to much already with Shep and Rodney.
Even though it is part of the show at this point I have to say I really wish it hadn't of been because it takes the show to a place I am not sure i want to to go.
I miss the *Team*, it is the same lament I had for many moons over SG-1 when TPTB decided *Hey lets get all involved in the characters lives*
They can't seem to find a good writing balance in giving background as they write a great story for the *team*. There have been many a show where the team isn't always all together but each character is doing something that fits into the overall story arc and goal of the show so everything ties together and if it takes one or two episodes it does all pull the finely woven strings into a wonderful woven tapestry of story telling.
I miss that A LOTLife is short, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And live out loud with no regrets..
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Originally posted by Alipeeps View PostAs Linzi said, I think the unusual amount of these episodes in Season 4 has been mostly down to baby issues, with Rachel's pregnancy and both Jason and David facing impending fatherhood, so I do hope it is a trend that doesn't continue in Season 5.
Originally posted by Suzotchka View PostLast time they wanted things darker they changed the uniforms to leather.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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