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True!Ancient
February 13th, 2008, 11:11 AM
So seen as the apollo and daedalus have amazing shields and weapons and could waste wraith around 10-1 will they get sheilds this season? or when the wraith are up to something are the writers going to write the apollo and deady out of the episode?

wise one
February 13th, 2008, 12:15 PM
So seen as the apollo and daedalus have amazing shields and weapons and could waste wraith around 10-1 will they get sheilds this season? or when the wraith are up to something are the writers going to write the apollo and deady out of the episode?

well i would if the wraith did have shields it will be no way as good as the shields earth currently have

imagine they would be blue or green when fired upon.

maybe once they sort there food they would go on technology and develop that sort of tech but it seems unlikely, they would be far too primitive compared to the ships that have been shown..since they have a certain thousaunds of years improving their tech like the asgard

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 13th, 2008, 12:31 PM
If the Wraith are given some decent shields then they can return to being a somewhat dangerous menace who use pure brute force to smash into enemy lines. Essentially, the Earth ships will be like how they originally fought the Wraith with their railguns doing almost no visible effect on the massive ships.

Gaeth
February 13th, 2008, 12:33 PM
They may just come up with better hull plating. We already know that their hulls regenerate so if a Wraith ship isn't destroyed right away then they can go into hyperspace and heal.

Even if they don't do any of the above they still have the threat of numbers and resilience.

artbrann
February 13th, 2008, 03:34 PM
the wraith have proven good with jamming tech
I would expect they do something more like develop a way to jam the targeting systems so they can't be locked

Gaeth
February 13th, 2008, 03:40 PM
the wraith have proven good with jamming tech
I would expect they do something more like develop a way to jam the targeting systems so they can't be locked

I didn't even think of that, that's a good idea. The Wraith have proved themselves to be good hackers and can overcome our fancy tech with good old static.

Pharaoh Atem
February 13th, 2008, 03:42 PM
or the wraith could upgrade their weapons

garhkal
February 13th, 2008, 03:47 PM
I didn't even think of that, that's a good idea. The Wraith have proved themselves to be good hackers and can overcome our fancy tech with good old static.

I like both of those ideas, more than them getting shields... Especially since we seem to rely more on targeting sensors than we do the mark 1 eyeball.

kefke20
February 14th, 2008, 06:43 AM
Way dos a hive ship of 11km need any kind of shields, the shire size of the superstructure can with ease absorb a copal of hits from the beam weapons.

In a 1 on 1 battle I think its gone be a draw in favor of the hive

True!Ancient
February 14th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Way dos a hive ship of 11km need any kind of shields, the shire size of the superstructure can with ease absorb a copal of hits from the beam weapons.

In a 1 on 1 battle I think its gone be a draw in favor of the hive

1 or 2 hits would destroy a hive ship easily it doesnt matter how it regenirates if you keep hitting it definaly go boom

kefke20
February 14th, 2008, 11:28 AM
1 or 2 hits would destroy a hive ship easily it doesnt matter how it regenirates if you keep hitting it definaly go boom

it won’t, it’s to big to massive to be taken out in 1 ore 2 hits.

it’s the same size off a super star destroyer.
And at blank point range a hive can also take down tau`ri shields in a dozen shots (see no mans land)

artbrann
February 14th, 2008, 01:57 PM
the ancient sat weapon took out a hive in 1 shot
we don't know how strong the Asgard plasm beams are compared to the ancient sat

size is impressive, but if you can blow holes the size of semi trucks in it from one side to the other does it mater if it's 10 miles or 1000 miles long?

Myles
February 14th, 2008, 03:10 PM
the ancient sat weapon took out a hive in 1 shot
we don't know how strong the Asgard plasm beams are compared to the ancient sat

size is impressive, but if you can blow holes the size of semi trucks in it from one side to the other does it mater if it's 10 miles or 1000 miles long?

Yes, it matter tremedously. For one, it means there structure around it to hold it together despite the hole. A smaller ship might simply crack in half. It also means it has tons of space for system redundancy so that if you do take severe damage you can still operate. Now of course, the writers will probably make it so the beam causes a chain of explosions, which is so unrealistic but so commonly used.

SG13-NightOps
February 14th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Wraith have never had shields. The Aurora class warship had both shields and drones.

The Wraith still "won".

Only way to beat their sheer numbers is for Earth to start spitting out 304's like candy.

ColCaldwell
February 14th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Way dos a hive ship of 11km need any kind of shields, the shire size of the superstructure can with ease absorb a copal of hits from the beam weapons.

In a 1 on 1 battle I think its gone be a draw in favor of the hive

With the beam weapons, the Hives would go BOOM quickly.

2ndgenerationalteran
February 14th, 2008, 08:14 PM
why always shields why not a counter measure (possible some sort of distortion field) that destabilizes the beam causing it to disipate significantly making projectile weapons and drones the weapons of choice

Gaeth
February 14th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Yes, it matter tremedously. For one, it means there structure around it to hold it together despite the hole. A smaller ship might simply crack in half. It also means it has tons of space for system redundancy so that if you do take severe damage you can still operate. Now of course, the writers will probably make it so the beam causes a chain of explosions, which is so unrealistic but so commonly used.

It's not that unrealistic especially if it causes secondary explosions by hitting a fuel center or a dart bay. In No Man's Land Daedalus was able to cause serious damage to a hive with its rail guns by targeting an open dart bay.

You're right about the size and redundancy, and if a hive isn't destroyed right away it can regenerate. That could be another way to deal with beam weapons, speed up the ship's ability to heal combined with a stronger hull material.

SG13-NightOps
February 15th, 2008, 01:23 AM
With the beam weapons, the Hives would go BOOM quickly.

Over 60 hives.

Daedy and Apollo need a lot of friends. Best case scenario, the Oddy would last the longest (zpm, asgard core, etc) - but there is simply too many for our 3 only 304s to do any real substantial damage to before being destroyed.

They would need to add the city ship to the fight to make any real difference.

True!Ancient
February 15th, 2008, 04:56 AM
it won’t, it’s to big to massive to be taken out in 1 ore 2 hits.

it’s the same size off a super star destroyer.
And at blank point range a hive can also take down tau`ri shields in a dozen shots (see no mans land)

If you didnt notice it took out ori and asuran ships without breaking a sweat i highly doubt they will struggle to take out wraith ships

Myles
February 15th, 2008, 08:35 AM
If you didnt notice it took out ori and asuran ships without breaking a sweat i highly doubt they will struggle to take out wraith ships

Without breaking a sweat? It took a few hits, plus you're comparing that to a ship that is 10 times larger! 10 times! 11 kilometers! The Deady is around 600m, an Aurora about 1km, and an Ori ship anywhere between 1.5km to 3-4km+(depending on which scalings you use). A hive dwarfs them all! That much mass with armor designed to take hits since they don't have shields will not be taken out in a few beam hits.

True!Ancient
February 15th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Since when has size matterd in the SG universe? a puddle jumper took down a hatak easily and its around the same size as a death glider

kefke20
February 15th, 2008, 10:49 AM
If you didnt notice it took out ori and asuran ships without breaking a sweat i highly doubt they will struggle to take out wraith ships

There ships are puny comparing to the wraith

It all about mater, how bigger it is how more mater it got so you need a lot more power to evaporate al that mater.

The asuran aurora class ships are some ware between 1.1 and 1.4 km (look it up in tech treads if you wises) and quit thin 200m to 400m of so

Ori ships are maybe bigger than that but they are just 2 circles welded together. + the rings (hull) are probably not even armored because the people how build it are relative Dum and they got some impressive shielding, so do not need the armor.

The wraith hive ships are 11km long and massif like hell they don’t even care if you blow up a km of 2, they just say additional power to hull regeneration ore watt ever.

IWKYZerocool
February 15th, 2008, 11:07 AM
If you didnt notice it took out ori and asuran ships without breaking a sweat i highly doubt they will struggle to take out wraith ships

When did a Wraith Hive take out an Ori ship, you don't mean in 'The Pegasus Project' as the hive didn't destory the ori ship, the supergate whoosh destroyed the ori ship.

True!Ancient
February 15th, 2008, 01:03 PM
When did a Wraith Hive take out an Ori ship, you don't mean in 'The Pegasus Project' as the hive didn't destory the ori ship, the supergate whoosh destroyed the ori ship.

i was talking about daedalus,apollo,oddyse

Gaeth
February 15th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Since when has size matterd in the SG universe? a puddle jumper took down a hatak easily and its around the same size as a death glider

It's relative to the tech level and composition of the thing you're blowing up. It'd be harder to use a bazooka to blow up an adult bull elephant than it would a cute baby elephant. Likewise it would be easier to blow up the bull elephant than a hunk of titanium that's equal size. We've seen a single drone do damage to a Wraith cruiser where as the single drone completely destroyed a hatak.

gopher65
February 15th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Yes, it matter tremedously. For one, it means there structure around it to hold it together despite the hole. A smaller ship might simply crack in half. It also means it has tons of space for system redundancy so that if you do take severe damage you can still operate. Now of course, the writers will probably make it so the beam causes a chain of explosions, which is so unrealistic but so commonly used.
This is why the Borg were so formidable and unbeatable before they were nerfed. Giant ships with incredible levels of redundancy. You could blow holes right through the ship, but because the power systems (and everything else) were spread out, you wouldn't get chain explosions that could tear the ship apart. And if less than 3/4 of the ship was destroyed it would grow back (eventually).

I imagine that's how Hives would be. Size really does matter a lot in space battles. I haven't been impressed with how *any* show has done space battles, except maybe Andromeda (BSG is laughable, in spite of their claims to the contrary. Just cause it is more realistic than Trek combat-wise doesn't make it realistic. That just makes it less stupid). I like how in Andromeda they purposefully build their ships with collapsible hulls so that weapons just go right through instead of doing cascading damage. Now THAT is realistic. *Grumbles again at the whole poorly portrayed "nukes in space" thing on BSG*

Gaeth
February 16th, 2008, 12:01 AM
I imagine that's how Hives would be. Size really does matter a lot in space battles. I haven't been impressed with how *any* show has done space battles, except maybe Andromeda (BSG is laughable, in spite of their claims to the contrary. Just cause it is more realistic than Trek combat-wise doesn't make it realistic. That just makes it less stupid). I like how in Andromeda they purposefully build their ships with collapsible hulls so that weapons just go right through instead of doing cascading damage. Now THAT is realistic. *Grumbles again at the whole poorly portrayed "nukes in space" thing on BSG*

How did they portray nukes in space on BSG? When you say collapsible do you mean like safety glass where it spiderwebs or has give to it? I haven't watched as much Andromeda, as is evident.

2ndgenerationalteran
February 16th, 2008, 02:03 AM
i was talking about daedalus,apollo,oddyse

And when did they destroy an Asuran Aurora in a fair fight without breaking a sweat?

kefke20
February 16th, 2008, 02:06 AM
And when did they destroy an Asuran Aurora in a fair fight without breaking a sweat?

in ep 4.11

2ndgenerationalteran
February 16th, 2008, 02:37 AM
Fair fight, ambushing ships coming out of hyperspace is not fair, and stealing a kill from a hive is not a valid kill either. People are probably getting tired of me saying this but we have seen nothing that indicates the Asgard plasma beams are extremely effective on Aurora shields, from what we've seen is that it is adequate.

True!Ancient
February 16th, 2008, 10:06 AM
And when did they destroy an Asuran Aurora in a fair fight without breaking a sweat?

Have you not watched BAMSR?

Gaeth
February 16th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Fair fight, ambushing ships coming out of hyperspace is not fair, and stealing a kill from a hive is not a valid kill either. People are probably getting tired of me saying this but we have seen nothing that indicates the Asgard plasma beams are extremely effective on Aurora shields, from what we've seen is that it is adequate.

Even if it did the Asgard had a long time to study Ancient tech and update their own weapons. Since the Ancients died so long ago some of their shields could even be antiquated by Asgard standards. Besides alot of the ships in BAMSR weren't necessarily destroyed in the initial attack, just distracted.