Keller and McKay are wimps

[carterrocks]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

[Mitchell82]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.

[Zamboni]

Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.

Actually I think Keller has a smaller frame than Carter... Sam is probably muscle bound from all her adventures on SG1...

Though Sam was probably the only one who can climb with ease. McKay is pudgy and Keller is... Well she's afraid of heights.

[sueKay]

I don't think anyone was a wimp in this episode.

Were Keller and McKay whiny? Oh yes

Did Keller and McKay look to Carter for guidance? Yes.

Keller looks to McKay and Carter as they're both respected individuals with a lot of field experience

McKay looks to Carter as he knows everything she's been through, and survived.

It's human instinct they'd both look to Carter first.

But when it came to the crunch, everyone pulled through, and it was a combination of peoples' ideas that got them out of it.

And McKay continued to hold everyones' weight even when his hands were ripped to shreds.

[Aquarian]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Sure they were whiney. If you were in their situation would you be perfectly calm? I sure as Hades wouldn't. Carter was calm because she had been in enough of those situations where it just seemed normal to her. And because of that the other two would turn to her. Of course they probably would have turned to her anyway. After they were over the initial shock, they started to perform well as a team. And on the bravery thing, McKay and Keller both came through when it really mattered.

[Willow'sCat]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Well Sam is the trained and signed up for military officer, the whole point of that is your willingness to die for what (you are told) is right. To be able to put your own self preservation to one side, basically go against human nature.

McKay is a scientist with no military leanings or background, with no want to die for his country mentality, and Keller is a Doctor who's first thought should be to preserve life and limb not risk all on the off chance it might just work.

Now if you want to make out that means the two folks in this who are not military are wimps go right ahead but I think really it is a non issue. Anyone can be brave with years of experience behind them, loads of military (not just physical but mental) training to fall back on. It is the ones who have little, the ones who value their lives (the normal population) who show real bravery by finding within themselves that physical and mental strength to carry on when faced with certain death. The guy who at the last minute jumps in the rushing water to save their kid, that is bravery.

Sam was just doing her job, what she signed up for, unlike McKay and Keller who signed up for the chance to discover new tech and medical advances. I am actually surprised they have lasted this long!

Huge difference.

And yeah on muscle strength Sam does have more then both, so she should have been the first to go anyway, to help the others get up.

Hmm, still if it wasn't for Keller and McKay Sam would still be there, with a broken leg and decomposing.

[jyh]

I agree w/ SueKay. I thought it was neat in that each person came up with at least one idea. Whether or not the idea worked out is irrelevant, and totally beyond their control, but they each stepped up at some point. I DID wonder though why nobody thought to go up to the steel beams and then go from there. But I guess since there was no way to "grab on" to the ground outside, it doesn't really matter.

(By the way, I wanted them to reference going to the village and getting those kids in trouble w/ their parents!!)

[dec55]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Keller and Mckay seem more real than most characters precisely because they
are people who actually say they don't want to die.... But what makes them more fascinating is that they don't quit in spite of their fears. These folks are everyday civilians. This is what makes this show special.....

[jenks]

I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

It felt to me like McKay was calling the shots to be honest, you wouldn't have thought Carter was in command just by watching this. Also, what is the point of this thread?

[PG15]

I'm afraid to play Jenga too.

I mean, what if I get a splinter?!

[Avenger]

Keller was not whiny in this episode. In fact, Keller was quite clam and collected the entire time. Worried? Of course. It was a sketchy situation to be in. McKay was the whiny one.

[stclare]

Spoiler:

Well Sam is the trained and signed up for military officer, the whole point of that is your willingness to die for what (you are told) is right. To be able to put your own self preservation to one side, basically go against human nature.

McKay is a scientist with no military leanings or background, with no want to die for his country mentality, and Keller is a Doctor who's first thought should be to preserve life and limb not risk all on the off chance it might just work.

Now if you want to make out that means the two folks in this who are not military are wimps go right ahead but I think really it is a non issue. Anyone can be brave with years of experience behind them, loads of military (not just physical but mental) training to fall back on. It is the ones who have little, the ones who value their lives (the normal population) who show real bravery by finding within themselves that physical and mental strength to carry on when faced with certain death. The guy who at the last minute jumps in the rushing water to save their kid, that is bravery.

Sam was just doing her job, what she signed up for, unlike McKay and Keller who signed up for the chance to discover new tech and medical advances. I am actually surprised they have lasted this long!

Huge difference.

And yeah on muscle strength Sam does have more then both, so she should have been the first to go anyway, to help the others get up.

Hmm, still if it wasn't for Keller and McKay Sam would still be there, with a broken leg and decomposing.

Spoiled for length.

ITA I couldnt have said it better.

[nx01a]

Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.

Nuh-uh!
Dr Firefly's smaller, IMO.
No offense, Sam. Not that you're fat or anything, but I mean, you know, er...

As for wimps... Rodney has been getting into these situations for four years now. He'll do what's necessary only if and when necessary. Otherwise, wimp.
Keller now. She's new to this and her track record this season does prove her wimphood. Right now, I'm not sure she even knows what 'necessary' is, though she's quite willing to strip. That's a plus. She'll grow out of it.

[Jumper_One]

Nuh-uh!
Dr Firefly's smaller, IMO.

yeah I think you're right but Sam has been in these kind of situation before, the others haven't. ok maybe Rodney, but he's...Rodney Sam was the most experienced person without fear

No offense, Sam. Not that you're fat or anything, but I mean, you know, er...

don't you dare insult Sam!

Spoiler:

[nx01a]

These folks are everyday civilians. This is what makes this show special.....

I still say 'everyday civilians' who the various governments and powers know are going to be thrown into physically and psychologically demanding situations [head scientist, head doctor, chief cook and bottlewasher] should be put through the Army ringer before being sent to Pegasus or any such situation. Everyone who goes to Atlantis should be able to defend themselves and their cohorts, or at least swing on a rope.
And after being hunted in Missing, Keller really shouldn't be talking anything about 'cardio'.