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carterrocks
February 9th, 2008, 01:02 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 01:06 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.

Zamboni
February 9th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.Actually I think Keller has a smaller frame than Carter... Sam is probably muscle bound from all her adventures on SG1...

Though Sam was probably the only one who can climb with ease. McKay is pudgy and Keller is... Well she's afraid of heights.

sueKay
February 9th, 2008, 01:18 PM
I don't think anyone was a wimp in this episode.

Were Keller and McKay whiny? Oh yes

Did Keller and McKay look to Carter for guidance? Yes.

Keller looks to McKay and Carter as they're both respected individuals with a lot of field experience

McKay looks to Carter as he knows everything she's been through, and survived.

It's human instinct they'd both look to Carter first.

But when it came to the crunch, everyone pulled through, and it was a combination of peoples' ideas that got them out of it.

And McKay continued to hold everyones' weight even when his hands were ripped to shreds.

Aquarian
February 9th, 2008, 01:27 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Sure they were whiney. If you were in their situation would you be perfectly calm? I sure as Hades wouldn't. Carter was calm because she had been in enough of those situations where it just seemed normal to her. And because of that the other two would turn to her. Of course they probably would have turned to her anyway. After they were over the initial shock, they started to perform well as a team. And on the bravery thing, McKay and Keller both came through when it really mattered.

Willow'sCat
February 9th, 2008, 02:49 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.
Well Sam is the trained and signed up for military officer, the whole point of that is your willingness to die for what (you are told) is right. To be able to put your own self preservation to one side, basically go against human nature. ;)

McKay is a scientist with no military leanings or background, with no want to die for his country mentality, and Keller is a Doctor who's first thought should be to preserve life and limb not risk all on the off chance it might just work. :p

Now if you want to make out that means the two folks in this who are not military are wimps go right ahead but I think really it is a non issue. Anyone can be brave with years of experience behind them, loads of military (not just physical but mental) training to fall back on. It is the ones who have little, the ones who value their lives (the normal population) who show real bravery by finding within themselves that physical and mental strength to carry on when faced with certain death. The guy who at the last minute jumps in the rushing water to save their kid, that is bravery.

Sam was just doing her job, what she signed up for, unlike McKay and Keller who signed up for the chance to discover new tech and medical advances. I am actually surprised they have lasted this long! :p

Huge difference. :cool:

And yeah on muscle strength Sam does have more then both, so she should have been the first to go anyway, to help the others get up.

Hmm, still if it wasn't for Keller and McKay Sam would still be there, with a broken leg and decomposing. :p

jyh
February 9th, 2008, 04:24 PM
I agree w/ SueKay. I thought it was neat in that each person came up with at least one idea. Whether or not the idea worked out is irrelevant, and totally beyond their control, but they each stepped up at some point. I DID wonder though why nobody thought to go up to the steel beams and then go from there. But I guess since there was no way to "grab on" to the ground outside, it doesn't really matter.

(By the way, I wanted them to reference going to the village and getting those kids in trouble w/ their parents!!) :P

dec55
February 9th, 2008, 06:52 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

Keller and Mckay seem more real than most characters precisely because they
are people who actually say they don't want to die.... But what makes them more fascinating is that they don't quit in spite of their fears. These folks are everyday civilians. This is what makes this show special.....

jenks
February 9th, 2008, 07:15 PM
I think we all know why. Neither of the two was brave enough to play 'Jenga' (in a sense). They showed no acts of bravery until they were desperate and McKay was kind of reliant of Sam, its only when she was injured that he had to think for himself.

It felt to me like McKay was calling the shots to be honest, you wouldn't have thought Carter was in command just by watching this. Also, what is the point of this thread?

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 07:20 PM
I'm afraid to play Jenga too.

I mean, what if I get a splinter?!

Avenger
February 9th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Keller was not whiny in this episode. In fact, Keller was quite clam and collected the entire time. Worried? Of course. It was a sketchy situation to be in. McKay was the whiny one.

stclare
February 11th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Well Sam is the trained and signed up for military officer, the whole point of that is your willingness to die for what (you are told) is right. To be able to put your own self preservation to one side, basically go against human nature. ;)

McKay is a scientist with no military leanings or background, with no want to die for his country mentality, and Keller is a Doctor who's first thought should be to preserve life and limb not risk all on the off chance it might just work. :p

Now if you want to make out that means the two folks in this who are not military are wimps go right ahead but I think really it is a non issue. Anyone can be brave with years of experience behind them, loads of military (not just physical but mental) training to fall back on. It is the ones who have little, the ones who value their lives (the normal population) who show real bravery by finding within themselves that physical and mental strength to carry on when faced with certain death. The guy who at the last minute jumps in the rushing water to save their kid, that is bravery.

Sam was just doing her job, what she signed up for, unlike McKay and Keller who signed up for the chance to discover new tech and medical advances. I am actually surprised they have lasted this long! :p

Huge difference. :cool:

And yeah on muscle strength Sam does have more then both, so she should have been the first to go anyway, to help the others get up.

Hmm, still if it wasn't for Keller and McKay Sam would still be there, with a broken leg and decomposing. :p

Spoiled for length.

ITA I couldnt have said it better.

nx01a
February 11th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Carter looked to be the lightest so that's why she was the one to do it.
Nuh-uh!
Dr Firefly's smaller, IMO.
No offense, Sam. Not that you're fat or anything, but I mean, you know, er...:mckay:

As for wimps... Rodney has been getting into these situations for four years now. He'll do what's necessary only if and when necessary. Otherwise, wimp.
Keller now. She's new to this and her track record this season does prove her wimphood. Right now, I'm not sure she even knows what 'necessary' is, though she's quite willing to strip. That's a plus. :D She'll grow out of it.

Jumper_One
February 11th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Nuh-uh!
Dr Firefly's smaller, IMO.

yeah I think you're right but Sam has been in these kind of situation before, the others haven't. ok maybe Rodney, but he's...Rodney ;) Sam was the most experienced person without fear


No offense, Sam. Not that you're fat or anything, but I mean, you know, er...:mckay:

:eek: don't you dare insult Sam! :mad: :D :P

nx01a
February 11th, 2008, 05:28 PM
These folks are everyday civilians. This is what makes this show special.....
I still say 'everyday civilians' who the various governments and powers know are going to be thrown into physically and psychologically demanding situations [head scientist, head doctor, chief cook and bottlewasher] should be put through the Army ringer before being sent to Pegasus or any such situation. Everyone who goes to Atlantis should be able to defend themselves and their cohorts, or at least swing on a rope.
And after being hunted in Missing, Keller really shouldn't be talking anything about 'cardio'.

nx01a
February 11th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Sam was the most experienced person without fear
Samantha Carter: Daredevil!

Jumper_One
February 11th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Samantha Carter: Daredevil!

IDK about being Daredevil. I gotta rewatch that movie because I remember I thought it sucked

nx01a
February 11th, 2008, 05:40 PM
It was the 'person without fear' quote that triggered that;), not that... questionable movie.

Jumper_One
February 11th, 2008, 05:41 PM
It was the 'person without fear' quote that triggered that;)

oh ok


, not that... questionable movie.

at least we agree on this :P

SaberBlade
February 12th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Keller was willing to get half naked in front of Rodney because she thought it could aid their escape. That's not a wimp, that's downright heroic since we know how Rodney is. While the episode to me was fairly boring, it did show that McKay was willing to go through a lot of pain in order to make sure that Keller and Carter got down, and for him to brace himself for Keller grabbing the rope was quick thinking and I think he proved himself a lot.

ykickamoocow
February 12th, 2008, 11:03 AM
Keller was willing to get half naked in front of Rodney because she thought it could aid their escape. That's not a wimp, that's downright heroic since we know how Rodney is. While the episode to me was fairly boring, it did show that McKay was willing to go through a lot of pain in order to make sure that Keller and Carter got down, and for him to brace himself for Keller grabbing the rope was quick thinking and I think he proved himself a lot.

Looking at Keller's face when she begins to strip she doesnt show any signs of fear or even any hesitation about the fact that McKay was about to see her in her underwear. I dont think she minded. Carter on the other hand may not have been as willing to strip infront of McKay but we can only guess in regards to that.

Landers
February 12th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Looking at Keller's face when she begins to strip she doesnt show any signs of fear or even any hesitation about the fact that McKay was about to see her in her underwear. I dont think she minded.


Of course she didn't mind stripping in front of McKay, she flirted with him and tried to do the pick up trick at the end. :S

I can take McKay's whining because the others balance him out, but McKay AND Keller is more than I can stand. Add Woolsey into the mix and. . .Ugh.

Avenger
February 12th, 2008, 03:40 PM
Need people be reminded that Rodney saved Keller's life by holding on to a rope that tore up his hands and lowered her down low enough to swing to a tunnel, which led to them safely escaping? That's right, Rodney was a key factor in saving the day by using physical strength. Who'd have though that would have ever happened?

ykickamoocow
February 12th, 2008, 03:51 PM
Need people be reminded that Rodney saved Keller's life by holding on to a rope that tore up his hands and lowered her down low enough to swing to a tunnel, which led to them safely escaping? That's right, Rodney was a key factor in saving the day by using physical strength. Who'd have though that would have ever happened?

Not just physical strength but also fighting through the pain barrier. I speak from experiance when i say that rope burn is very painful.

Avenger
February 12th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Indeed. They showed his bloody hands after he lowered Keller down. Then he lowered Carter down then he climbed down himself. That was freaking impressive.

PG15
February 12th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Indeed. I cheered when that happened.

They should've showed some blood coating the rope.

nx01a
February 12th, 2008, 10:33 PM
rope burn is very painful.
Try carpet burn. Yai!

ykickamoocow
February 12th, 2008, 10:40 PM
Try carpet burn. Yai!

Thats what you get for having sex on the floor :D

nx01a
February 12th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Thats what you get for having sex on the floor :D
Helping friend laying carpet. Not laying friend on carpet.;)
Is this still PG?:S

KindlyKeller
February 14th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Good lord. I like Sam okay when I'm watching the show, but every time I come on here, it makes me wish she'd go away and never, ever comeback.

Rachael25
April 28th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Well Mckay is one of my favorite characters on the show and he has shown he is not physical in any way; And he has A LOT of fears, and i must say a bit of a hypochondriac as well but for him to put his life on the line to save Keller and Cater showed alot about Mckay that he is not as selfish as people might think he is. And as far as Keller is concerned we really don't know that much about her except when she went off world with Teyla and she showed that she was a major wimp but i think the more we dig into to character, she will come through and prove to be tough, she got a little bit of back bone when she was off world so who knows she may turn out to be really tough when it calls for it.