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blue-skyz
February 2nd, 2008, 05:57 PM
What happened in Sheppard’s life? - Speculation

Just a list of questions to start.

What was Sheppard like as a teenager?
When did he lose his mother?

What was Sheppard’s father’s plan for his life?
How did Sheppard rebel against his father?

What caused Sheppard’s break with his father?
Did his father tell him not to come back, disown him?
Did he disinherit him at the time?
When did his father start to regret what happened?
Was Sheppard in the will?

Where did Sheppard go to college?
What did he study in college?
Did his father pay for college or did he work his way through?

How/when did Sheppard decide to go into the Air Force?
How/when did he get involved in top-secret missions?
What special training did he have?
What type of missions require frequent phone calls in the middle of the night?
How much did his father and brother know about what he did?

What was Sheppard doing in Afghanistan?
Where else had he been stationed?

Where and when did he meet his ex-wife?
How long were they married?
How long ago were they divorced?
What were the causes of their divorce?
How often has he seen/been in contact with his ex-wife since the divorce?

More questions? :)

padr49904
February 2nd, 2008, 06:14 PM
Didn't he say he went to stanford. Well he didn't actually say it but he did say that his dad thought he was rebelling by going to stanford instead of harvard. Maybe he was just using it as an example to show what kind of person his dad was.

blue-skyz
February 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM
Didn't he say he went to stanford. Well he didn't actually say it but he did say that his dad thought he was rebelling by going to stanford instead of harvard. Maybe he was just using it as an example to show what kind of person his dad was.
Seems likely that he did go to Stanford. Something had to bring it to mind?

SHEPPARD: My dad's idea of teenage rebellion was going to Stanford instead of Harvard.
(He smiles at Ronon, who frowns back, uncomprehending.)
SHEPPARD: Never mind. He just – he had everything planned out for me since I was about fourteen.

So…
Did Sheppard rebel by going to Stanford?
Did he get into Harvard?

Did brother Dave go to Harvard?
Or was Sheppard the brother with the brains and potential?
Did Sheppard’s father go to Harvard?

Who made the money in the family?
How far back does the money go? Old money?

The newspaper reads: "Utilities Mogul Patrick Sheppard dies at 69."
Are utilities the only thing the Sheppard family is involved in?
Is the money and power a setup for a possible future episode.
Will we ever hear anymore about the family or the money?

Questions, Questions. :)

Pudding
February 2nd, 2008, 07:26 PM
Or was Sheppard the brother with the brains and potential?

Well, we know Sheppard passed the MENSA test, so I'd say he had both ... doesn't necessarily mean his brother didn't though.

P-90_177
February 2nd, 2008, 07:28 PM
you know from what we found out in that ep it makes perfect sense for sheps character and how he has that tendency to shun authority even in the military.

the fifth man
February 2nd, 2008, 07:30 PM
It was great that this episode showed us more about Sheppard's past. But, of course, it left us with a lot of new questions.:)

the fifth man
February 2nd, 2008, 07:32 PM
you know from what we found out in that ep it makes perfect sense for sheps character and how he has that tendency to shun authority even in the military.

I totally agree with that.

PG15
February 2nd, 2008, 08:53 PM
Indeed.

This episode really showed me that, even though we haven't been told of Shep's backstory beforehand, all of his various choices, decisions, and actions in the past 3.5 seasons really came together to create a consistent, and deep character. This episode basically took all of that, and tied it together perfectly, with the root of why he is the man he is.

Fabulous episode. Loved it.

blue-skyz
February 3rd, 2008, 03:05 AM
The SGA book, Blood Ties, by Sonny Whitelaw and Elizabeth Christensen, takes place mostly on Earth, during S3, following Carson’s death.

There is a character, FBI psychologist Dr. Rebecca Larance, who had met Sheppard some four years before. In her own words (page 67):

“ One of my duties is vetting personnel for winter postings at McMurdo. Not everyone is psychologically suited for an Antarctic tour, and the last thing anyone needs is a person with pathological tendencies stuck in an enclosed area with limited outlets for aggression. There’s a very rigorous screening process. Colonel Sheppard passed my gauntlet some years ago.”

I think this original meeting happened in the Washington area, though I wasn’t able to find the reference.

In Outcast Nancy says, “: I haven't seen you in over four years and now you want me to put my job on the line and you won't even tell me why?”

So, that possibly puts Sheppard and Nancy in the same area at the same time.
It would make sense that that was the last time they saw each other.

Would that have been divorce talk or just catching up?

Sheppard seemed so uncomfortable around her that I have to wonder if he would have called her to get a cup of coffee or lunch while he was in Washington if he didn’t need to. On the other hand, it was his father’s wake, he didn’t expect to see her, and he looked very uncomfortable even before he saw her.

I tend to think the divorce took place a lot longer than “over four years” ago.
He is not likely to have had any contact with her at all in over the last three years. He could have seen her between Antarctica and Atlantis, but it seems unlikely. He did, sort of ;), know her husband’s name, so he has, at least, spoken to/corresponded with her after the divorce. (Not buying that Grant was the reason for the divorce.)

Boy, that was a ramble for a small speculation, :P

pilgrim soul
February 3rd, 2008, 03:24 AM
Rememeber the SGA books are not canon, only what is stated or seen on screen is.

Linzi
February 3rd, 2008, 03:54 AM
Rememeber the SGA books are not canon, only what is stated or seen on screen is.
Indeed. In fact events have happened in the books which now contradict canon in certain instances.

Now, according to Outcast, Shep hadn't seen Nancy in over four years, and yet Shep knew all about Greg Grant. Thus I believe Shep and Nancy had divorced some time before that, years before, I expect. The fact that Shep didn't exactly remember Grant's name suggests he hadn't been in close contact with Nancy in a very long time. I don't think they were on good terms really. - I'm not saying there was animosity or anything, just regret and obviously serious issues, or they wouldn't have divorced. But like any former lover, it rare to keep in close contact. Too much water under the bridge and all. However, neither Sheppard or Nancy's emotions seemed raw. It's as if a lot of time has passed and as time passes so do feelings of hurt and regret etc...

I believe their relationship was obviously distant as they'd both moved on, not without some regret I'd guess, certainly on Nancy's part. She obviously still has a soft spot for Sheppard. And who wouldn't? ;)

It's interesting that Shep's career seems to have been part of the reason for the marriage break up. Also VERY interesting to know Sheppard WAS involved in some very secret, presumably special ops, missions. I think many had surmised that, but it's good to have that mentioned on screen.

I still would like to know why Sheppard and his father and brother fell out so badly. Was Shep's marriage breakdown the straw that broke the camel's back? Or was Afghanistan involved too? Maybe it was a combination of many factors?

On another note, I really hope Sheppard senior didn't cut Shep out from his will. I know Shep wasn't interested in the money, but I think a parent doing that is just...well, cruel. If Sheppard senior had regrets, I'd hope he'd remember his other son, even if Shep didn't want anything of his father's.

MIZA
February 3rd, 2008, 11:39 AM
i really don't know his life is messed up though , it explains a lot ,



but i wish they would explain a lot

txTart
February 3rd, 2008, 12:37 PM
I was completely satisfied with what we learned about Sheppard's background. I'm glad that not all questions about his past where answered. It gives us something to look forward to in the future. Great, great episode.

Ruffles
February 3rd, 2008, 07:46 PM
Seems likely that he did go to Stanford. Something had to bring it to mind?

SHEPPARD: My dad's idea of teenage rebellion was going to Stanford instead of Harvard.
(He smiles at Ronon, who frowns back, uncomprehending.)
SHEPPARD: Never mind. He just – he had everything planned out for me since I was about fourteen.

So…
Did Sheppard rebel by going to Stanford?
Did he get into Harvard?


A tidbit I found fascinating: Stanford doesn't have an ROTC program. They have a cross-studies program with other universities for those that want to be in ROTC. Harvard doesn't have ROTC either.

Elinor
February 4th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Also VERY interesting to know Sheppard WAS involved in some very secret, presumably special ops, missions. I think many had surmised that, but it's good to have that mentioned on screen.

Yes. I was glad to see that on screen to.


I was completely satisfied with what we learned about Sheppard's background. I'm glad that not all questions about his past where answered. It gives us something to look forward to in the future. Great, great episode.

That's what I loved to. It still leaves an element of mystery about him...which is rather appealing!

:)

blue-skyz
February 7th, 2008, 05:07 PM
A tidbit I found fascinating: Stanford doesn't have an ROTC program. They have a cross-studies program with other universities for those that want to be in ROTC. Harvard doesn't have ROTC either.
I don’t think Sheppard would have joined an ROTC program anyway. ;)

Some AF info from http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step04_questions_usaf,,00.html

The Officer Training School at Maxwell AFB near Montgomery, Alabama, provides people with a bachelor's degree to earn a commission. Its rigorous 14-week program guides college graduates or degree airmen to commissions as Second Lieutenants.

In general terms, an officer must be a college or university graduate prior to commissioning, is trained by the Air Force to lead and manage, and can voluntarily leave the military if not under any officer service obligation at the time. Officers do not "enlist" in the Air Force and Air Force Reserve in the pure sense of the word, but individuals can compete for an enlistment option to go to Officers Training School to become a commissioned officer.

The Air Force trains pilots through its undergraduate pilot training program. Air Force pilots are generally officers who compete for the pilot training slots.

So, Stanford or any other college would do.

I have to wonder whether McKay knows where Sheppard went to college. That would seem to be common information to share early in a friendship. I would have loved to see McKay’s reaction when he found out that Sheppard graduated from a prestigious university (if he did).

blue-skyz
February 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Now, according to Outcast, Shep hadn't seen Nancy in over four years, and yet Shep knew all about Greg Grant. Thus I believe Shep and Nancy had divorced some time before that, years before, I expect. The fact that Shep didn't exactly remember Grant's name suggests he hadn't been in close contact with Nancy in a very long time. I don't think they were on good terms really. - I'm not saying there was animosity or anything, just regret and obviously serious issues, or they wouldn't have divorced. But like any former lover, it rare to keep in close contact. Too much water under the bridge and all. However, neither Sheppard or Nancy's emotions seemed raw. It's as if a lot of time has passed and as time passes so do feelings of hurt and regret etc...
I think the divorce was well over four years ago. Nancy had to have time to remarry. I doubt he would have had any kind of contact with her since Atlantis. That might explain the misremembered name and possibly the awkwardness and why she was testy with him.

Some people do stay friendly with an ex-spouse, especially where there are no children and the divorce was mutual. I think Sheppard would have married someone who was a friend and who he respected. I don’t think a divorce caused by work issues and forced separations would have destroyed the friendship or the respect. There would have been feelings of regret and failure, certainly, but, he could easily have cared enough about her to stay in touch and see her from time to time for coffee or lunch. He evidently stayed in touch with some woman from college.

Or their last meeting could have been as simple as being at the same funeral or wedding.

That meeting would have had to occur before Antarctica (or possibly during a leave while he was there). Sheppard would have been given leave before he went to Antarctica. He could have come back to the Washington area or his home base could have been in the area.

There would be some necessary preparation before going to Antarctica. That would likely include a screening for suitability and extreme cold weather training including extreme cold weather helicopter operations.

As far as Letters from Pegasus goes, he would not have wanted to send a remarried ex-wife a video to say: I’m probably about to die, just thought I’d ruin your day too. I think I would only do that to someone that had a vested interest in my continued survival.

Indeed. In fact events have happened in the books which now contradict canon in certain instances.
As for the books being canon, it is my understanding that the SGA books when written comply with current cannon. This is apparently assured by some subset of some faction of TPTB at MGM approving the initial story and the finished manuscript. Of course, the TV production is constantly evolving and may supercede any aspect of the books at any time.

In Blood Ties (late 2007), the psychological evaluation that was required of Sheppard before being allowed to go to Antarctica is interesting for the possible insight it gives into some minimal qualification required for personnel before being sent to Atlantis.

PG15
February 8th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Speaking of John's life...


Kdvb1 also writes: “Who is older, John or Dave Sheppard?”

Answer: I imagined John being the big brother.


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/february-8-2008-books-anime-and-a-behind-the-scenes-development/

pilgrim soul
February 9th, 2008, 02:17 AM
As for the books being canon, it is my understanding that the SGA books when written comply with current cannon. This is apparently assured by some subset of some faction of TPTB at MGM approving the initial story and the finished manuscript. Of course, the TV production is constantly evolving and may supercede any aspect of the books at any time.

In Blood Ties (late 2007), the psychological evaluation that was required of Sheppard before being allowed to go to Antarctica is interesting for the possible insight it gives into some minimal qualification required for personnel before being sent to Atlantis.

I'm not going to hunt through Joe M's blog to find the quote but I specifically remember him saying that the books were nothing to do with TPTB and were not canon. Go to the Fandemonium thread and ask the authors I'm sure they'll tell you the same thing.


Speaking of John's life...


Kdvb1 also writes: “Who is older, John or Dave Sheppard?”

Answer: I imagined John being the big brother.


That's interesting and personally I did see it that way - I definitely got the vibe that Dave feels John abandoned him.

jenks
February 9th, 2008, 02:28 AM
^^ Indeed, the books aren't considered canon. I suppose you could call them a separate canon if you wanted, like the movie, but that's about it.

Lauriel
February 14th, 2008, 03:43 AM
Indeed.

This episode really showed me that, even though we haven't been told of Shep's backstory beforehand, all of his various choices, decisions, and actions in the past 3.5 seasons really came together to create a consistent, and deep character. This episode basically took all of that, and tied it together perfectly, with the root of why he is the man he is.

Fabulous episode. Loved it.
Well said! I thought they did an excellent job with that.

Also VERY interesting to know Sheppard WAS involved in some very secret, presumably special ops, missions. I think many had surmised that, but it's good to have that mentioned on screen.

Good point.


Seems likely that he did go to Stanford. Something had to bring it to mind?

SHEPPARD: My dad's idea of teenage rebellion was going to Stanford instead of Harvard.
(He smiles at Ronon, who frowns back, uncomprehending.)
SHEPPARD: Never mind. He just – he had everything planned out for me since I was about fourteen.

So…
Did Sheppard rebel by going to Stanford?
Did he get into Harvard?

Watching that, I got the impression that Sheppard went to neither of them. It seemed to me like he was just saying that his father's version of rebelling was quite limited, which suggests that John's idea of rebelling against his father was somewhat more radical. Mostly, I got the impression that his father had planned for him to follow in his footsteps and go into the family business (or businesses, as the case may be). Instead, John joined the Air Force in spite of his father's objections. Just my take on it. :)

blue-skyz
February 14th, 2008, 08:27 AM
Watching that, I got the impression that Sheppard went to neither of them. It seemed to me like he was just saying that his father's version of rebelling was quite limited, which suggests that John's idea of rebelling against his father was somewhat more radical. Mostly, I got the impression that his father had planned for him to follow in his footsteps and go into the family business (or businesses, as the case may be). Instead, John joined the Air Force in spite of his father's objections. Just my take on it. :)
I agree, he may not have gone to Harvard or Stanford. (It would be nice to know if he applied and got accepted ;)) And we have no indication that he went to the Air Force Academy, though his father was probably influential enough to get him considered.

I think he went to college before he joined the Air Force. If he wanted to fly, he had to be an officer first. The easiest way to do that was to apply to join as an officer after college and go straight into Office Training School. I don’t see Sheppard joining as an Airman and then trying to go to college.

My bet is that Sheppard went to a prestigious school, though he probably didn’t study what his father would have preferred. His joining the Air Force after college may have been the final straw in his relationship with his father or it may have followed the break and been the result of whatever caused it. I doubt we’ll ever know; probably better that way.

I wonder if Nancy was part of the life he grew up in or if she was someone he met in college or later. Did he marry her before the Air Force or after? It would be interesting to know the time line and where she fits into it.

I so hope there is something interesting in Sheppard’s life connected with phone calls and secret missions before Afghanistan. I so want Afghanistan to be the result of something bigger, not the driving force in his life.

Lauriel
February 14th, 2008, 05:13 PM
I agree, he may not have gone to Harvard or Stanford. (It would be nice to know if he applied and got accepted ;)) And we have no indication that he went to the Air Force Academy, though his father was probably influential enough to get him considered.

I think he went to college before he joined the Air Force. If he wanted to fly, he had to be an officer first. The easiest way to do that was to apply to join as an officer after college and go straight into Office Training School. I don’t see Sheppard joining as an Airman and then trying to go to college.
I agree. I didn't know enough about American college/air force recruitment to comment though. :o


My bet is that Sheppard went to a prestigious school, though he probably didn’t study what his father would have preferred. His joining the Air Force after college may have been the final straw in his relationship with his father or it may have followed the break and been the result of whatever caused it. I doubt we’ll ever know; probably better that way.
IMHO, he's too intelligent and educated not to have gone to college. Of course, natural intelligence will get you a long way, but he seems to have a pretty good grasp on a lot of things, especially mathematical. He passed the MENSA test, and that means that he has a broad knowledge base as well.


I wonder if Nancy was part of the life he grew up in or if she was someone he met in college or later. Did he marry her before the Air Force or after? It would be interesting to know the time line and where she fits into it.

I so hope there is something interesting in Sheppard’s life connected with phone calls and secret missions before Afghanistan. I so want Afghanistan to be the result of something bigger, not the driving force in his life.

I couldn't agree with you more! I'd love them to develop this more, and possibly tie it in with some current or future situations in Atlantis.

Orion25
December 21st, 2008, 07:20 PM
I guess, until Shep divulged where exactly he went to college, we'll just know that it was also a prestigious school - not his Dad's first choice of university but a close second.

At the car scene, Nancy appeared to have some hostility left with John and his secret missions despite having mentioned of being in the same position when she caught Grant giving her looks as she leaves for her own hush-hush work related operations without any explanation. Was Nancy still trying to find/ understand the reason why their marriage crumbled? I got the impression from her that she tried acquiring information around the time their marriage failed.