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GateWorld
January 30th, 2008, 08:04 PM
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As a mysterious new illness sweeps through the Pegasus Galaxy, Teyla is convinced by a vision that the father of her child is trying to communicate with her.

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ColCaldwell
February 22nd, 2008, 08:02 PM
Why did the Daedalus use railguns first instead of the beam weapons? Also, missing the ship with the Asgard beam weapon? My god....it's making our ships' crews look incompetent.

Specter177
February 22nd, 2008, 08:02 PM
Why did the Daedalus use railguns first instead of the beam weapons? Also, missing the ship with the Asgard beam weapon? My god....it's making our ships' crews look incompetent.

Yea, where is Marks?

Yashiv
February 22nd, 2008, 08:03 PM
Carson's backkkkkkkkkkkkkk
:beckett::beckett:

jenks
February 22nd, 2008, 08:03 PM
Am I the only one who thought Carson's accent sounded a bit... off?

Pharaoh Atem
February 22nd, 2008, 08:04 PM
Am I the only one who thought Carson's accent sounded a bit... off?

to caught up in the moment to notice:)

cabouse18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:04 PM
Carson's backkkkkkkkkkkkkk
:beckett::beckett:

This ep was awesome and next week looks to be even better....Carson is back, Michael is causing havoc....it is just another day in the Pegasus Galaxy!!:D

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:04 PM
Am I the only one who thought Carson's accent sounded a bit... off?

It did sound a little funny.

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 08:05 PM
Am I the only one who thought Carson's accent sounded a bit... off?

Yes. You are the only one.

prion
February 22nd, 2008, 08:05 PM
It was ... okay.

Skiffy ruined a lot with their stupid ad, alas, but I think my main complaint, well, concern, was that we had a lot of little scenes strung together of people going back and forth and back and forth.

Great scene: Rodney giving Teyla the present. Aw, how precious. Oh wait, he wants to brainwash the kid! Eek, run!

Best scene: the last five seconds when they find carson, which was no surprise. Gee, I wonder why. Blasted Skiffy.

Anyway, I did like the definite undercurrent of animosity between SHep and gang and Todd. They both consider themselve necessary evils to complete their tasks. I honestly dont' want to see it any other way.

Overall, for me, it's a C+ as the build-up was just, go to the market, go back, to the market, go back.

Waiting to see what they do in part 2 as I expect it will be a lot better now that they've got beckett and can deal with, oh geez, they gave away the spoilers on that too. Ah, just let us buy the DVDs already ;)

poland626
February 22nd, 2008, 08:07 PM
I found this episode REALLY predicable. I think it was the preview of the episode last week that really gave it away. It was just the Michael part that connected the dots.

I think when we found out it was Michael it was really simple. He is working with replicators. The Athosans are replicators. Carson is a replicator. I just need to figure out what Teyla has to do with all of this.

jenks
February 22nd, 2008, 08:08 PM
Yes. You are the only one.

Obviously not.

Major_Griff
February 22nd, 2008, 08:08 PM
Good ep. Even though I knew what was coming at the end I love the way they did it. "Well he was guarding something" and then they all slowly walk up to the door before revealing Carson. Michael was back which was great. I always love what they do with his character and Connor Trineer is just such a good actor. I am very intrigued as to what will happen in part two with Teyla, Mikey, and the Athosians as well as with Carson and the gang back at Atlantis. I still don't know what the escape hatch they wrote into S3 was to bring him back So I look forward to finding out during the episode. I love when I keep myself from major spoilers like that. Over all pretty good ep that I feel was building to a crescendo of awesomeness in part two and TLM. 8/10!

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 08:08 PM
This episode was just all kinds of awesome. It was so big, too! I'm not even talking about special effects-wise, it was big for the whole mythology of the series. Almost everything came together and clashed. Sometimes, if things/people don't interact you forget they're part of the same galaxy. Todd, Michael, Hoff, Carson, everything! Coming together to make one kick-butt story!

And OMG Rodney had cool moments with people besides Sheppard? Nice scene with Teyla in the commissary, some nice (small) moments with Sam, and some pretty awesome subtle stuff with Ronon. That's what I'm talking about!

Vala_M
February 22nd, 2008, 08:09 PM
What a cool episode! It kind of started off a little slow but it went great. I thought that Teyla's visions of Kanaan were just dreams at first, I was surprised that they were real. Interesting lead up. I always wondered what happend to the Hoffans, I'm not surprised they were destroyed. But how did Todd/Michael find out about the Hoffan's drug research? So is Michael creating human-Wraith hybrids now instead of the bug creatures? Weird. I thought that Michael looked more human than before. He also has human eyes now. Kanaan's now part Wraith! How crushing for Teyla. How did Michael convince the Athosians to serve him? Something's going on there. I hope that the Athoians are normal and not all human/Wraith hybrids. Does Michael eat regular food now? Does he still live forever or at least not age? I'm surprised that Todd wasn't killed on the spot after what happend to the Midway Space Station, but it was good to see him again. Nice to see the Daedalus and Caldwell again. Who else thinks he needs more screentime these days? Dr. Beckett! That was fantastic. Of course, I'm not surprised that it was at the very end with the "To be continued..." text.

Great episode over all.

What is with the Replicator Beckett thing for next week? I hope this is just misinformation like most clips give and he isn't really a Replicator. Plus, I'm sure everyone will be furious with the "Beckett in the flesh" promise. I hope either there is more than one Beckett (Human and Replicator) or it's just to throw people off. So are the Asurans invovled in next week's conclusion or something? Why was there a scene of Beckett in a stasis pod?

Vala,

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 08:09 PM
Obviously not.

;)

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:10 PM
It was ... okay.

Skiffy ruined a lot with their stupid ad, alas, but I think my main complaint, well, concern, was that we had a lot of little scenes strung together of people going back and forth and back and forth.

Great scene: Rodney giving Teyla the present. Aw, how precious. Oh wait, he wants to brainwash the kid! Eek, run!

Best scene: the last five seconds when they find carson, which was no surprise. Gee, I wonder why. Blasted Skiffy.

Anyway, I did like the definite undercurrent of animosity between SHep and gang and Todd. They both consider themselve necessary evils to complete their tasks. I honestly dont' want to see it any other way.

Overall, for me, it's a C+ as the build-up was just, go to the market, go back, to the market, go back.

Waiting to see what they do in part 2 as I expect it will be a lot better now that they've got beckett and can deal with, oh geez, they gave away the spoilers on that too. Ah, just let us buy the DVDs already ;)

I didn't see anything that gave anything away.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:11 PM
What a interesting episode Wraith, humans, Reps, Micheal. So many bad guys.

Teylas people part of the new enemy, very interesting. So they convert normal humans into brainwashed drones.

I think that is a awesome idea. It puts the Wraith in the back seat according to evilness.

Carson, it was fun to see him again, it will be interesting where they take it.

poland626
February 22nd, 2008, 08:13 PM
I didn't see anything that gave anything away.

The replicator part. They actually say it in the trailer for next week's episode. Plus, they show Carson pointing a gun at everyone. Plus, we never even heard of a replicator attack mention in Pt. 1.

ColCaldwell
February 22nd, 2008, 08:14 PM
Overall a bit slow, but great episode building into next week. Michael and his bunch, Todd, Replicators, the Daedalus, etc, Pt II should be pretty good.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:15 PM
I found this episode REALLY predicable. I think it was the preview of the episode last week that really gave it away. It was just the Michael part that connected the dots.

I think when we found out it was Michael it was really simple. He is working with replicators. The Athosans are replicators. Carson is a replicator. I just need to figure out what Teyla has to do with all of this.

The stuff in the spoilers makes no sense, how did you get to those conclusions.

CYBEREAGLE19
February 22nd, 2008, 08:15 PM
the trailer for this episode mentioned reps, I don't see any replicators in this episode

idlewild202
February 22nd, 2008, 08:16 PM
OH! MY! GOSH!! I have been waiting AGES as a Save Carson Beckett campaigner for this episode!

I absolutely loved it! :D

Oh man, I don't even know where to start. I really liked how they intertwined the different plot lines of the episode into one. The Hoffan disease, Teyla's visions, and Todd. It all came together in the end, though Todd not so much. It was clever, well done, and I was not bored for one second.

Kanaan being part wraith was a bit of a stunner, wow, did not see that one coming. I feel for Teyla, but man, talk about character development for her. Imagine how you would feel to be gone for a couple months and to come home to find that your husband or wife has been turned into a mutant that hardly recognized you. That would tear me in two.

Michael was simply gold, pure and simple gold. That character is probably the best villain on Atlantis. And his connection to Teyla and the baby... ooo! I can't wait to see where this goes.

Loved getting to see Lorne again. This character needs more air time, he is so good at just taking command and keeping his cool no matter what.

It would touching to see everybody looking out for Teyla, even though she obviously didn't want the protection. Haha, never mess with a pregnant lady with a big stick! I loved that part!

And of course... CARSON! It was so weird seeing him back on Atlantis. I don't know how to explain it, I've been waiting for this moment for months and months! We've gotten so used (not in a good way) to not having him on the show that now, having him back brings back a lot of old memories, and it feels good, but it's different, it's weird, I'm not used to it. I mean, he was dead after all, but, now he's back and I'm such a mix of emotions that I don't know what to think really! All I can say it... BRING ON PART 2!! :D

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 08:16 PM
Everyone is totally misinterpretting the Skiffy promo for next week. The team is concerned that Beckett is a replicator, and is reluctant to trust him. I'm 99% certain Joe M. has told us Beckett is NOT a replicator.

cabouse18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:17 PM
The stuff in the spoilers makes no sense, how did you get to those conclusions.

I have to agree....how did you come to those conclusions....the Athosians are mindless zombies not replicators....and i don't think Carson is either....scifi is always soooo wrong with the promos

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:17 PM
The replicator part. They actually say it in the trailer for next week's episode. Plus, they show Carson pointing a gun at everyone. Plus, we never even heard of a replicator attack mention in Pt. 1.

They didn't say he was a replicator. It said "You think he's a replicator?"

zodden
February 22nd, 2008, 08:18 PM
Good episode

So michael no longer has to feed. Interesting notion whats going on with his character evolution. Teyla's people have been zombified I guess. So much going on and with the baby too. Great job to integrate her pregnancy into a major story line.

And Carson! Even if its repla Carson I would trade him for the Teenage doctor any day. I wish they would drop her and just put him back in there full time. Shes ok and has grown on me a little, but he is 10x better overall for that show.

And whats with the rail gun usage and no beam weapons at the start of the battle? Shouldn't the Asgard weapons be able to easily rip right through a Wraith cruiser?

tombombadil
February 22nd, 2008, 08:18 PM
the trailer for this episode mentioned reps, I don't see any replicators in this episode

yeah, i think the scifi channel got it wrong.

that said,this episode was almost completely spoiled by the comercials, other than who captured teyla

DigiFluid
February 22nd, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well, I found the episode as a whole a little plodding but that didn't really take away from it. They've revisited numerous plot threads, which is always terrific, expanded the overall show mythology, and the episode featured both Carson and Michael (my two favourite characters).

Perhaps not the best episode the series has ever done, bet certainly a cut above the mediocrity Atlantis usually shoots for.

CYBEREAGLE19
February 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM
I know carsons not a replicator but are they involved with this storyline at all?

erb
February 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM
Best scene: the last five seconds when they find carson, which was no surprise. Gee, I wonder why. Blasted Skiffy.



No argument from me!! Carson!! Loved seeing and hearing him. :beckett:

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM
Everyone is totally misinterpretting the Skiffy promo for next week. The team is concerned that Beckett is a replicator, and is reluctant to trust him. I'm 99% certain Joe M. has told us Beckett is NOT a replicator.

Yeah that's what they said (I think it was Sam specifically) and yeah that's what JM said.

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM
yeah, i think the scifi channel got it wrong.

that said,this episode was almost completely spoiled by the comercials, other than who captured teyla

As for next week's ad...Anyone else catch the Aurora jumping to hyperspace? Weir's group, perhaps?

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:20 PM
Well...hmmm...I really liked this episode but, at the same time, I was a bit disappointed. I guess I was just execting too much.

Why did the Daedalus use railguns first instead of the beam weapons? Also, missing the ship with the Asgard beam weapon? My god....it's making our ships' crews look incompetent.Yeah, the cruiser should have been destroyed in seconds...But, Teyla was on board...:mckay:
I have long expected for the Wraith to somehow overcome their need to feed, so seeing that happen is interesting. It should open a lot of opportunities - for example, would someone like Todd willingly take this "cure"? Would the Atlantis expedition, if they got their hands on it, try to administer it, the way they did with the retrovirus?
And, I gotta say, I would have really liked to see the bug-people back. I mean, Alien rip-off...I mean...homage, but they were a lot cooler than these hybrid things...
Also, no surprise about Michael's interest regarding the kid...:rolleyes: God, I want that kid dead!
Todd - as always, fantastic. I loved the way he delivered the "Oh, don't mind them..." line...:D He is the king of cool! Just like the "there's always next time" line...
Carson is back...for all of 10 seconds...
I liked Lorne. When he woke up that guy(was he a Wraith worshipper? I think so...), I thought he would go all Jack Bauer on his ass. But they're "the do-gooders of the galaxy"...That's one hell of a stigma. No one's gonna take them seriously anymore :p
Shep: "We have a ship in orbit. Tell us what we want to know or we'll wipe you out"
Villager: "Yeah, okay...Tea?"
One thing I really loved was the color when Teyla woke up in the forest, in her vision. That green was beautiful...I kinda got a LOTR feel there.
Also, am I the only one who was expecting Teyla to start singing at the beginning, when they were burning Kanaan? :D
All in all, good episode.
8/10

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:21 PM
As for next week's ad...Anyone else catch the Aurora jumping to hyperspace? Weir's group, perhaps?

I believe TPTB have said that the Replicators are done for the season, so I doubt it. But...who knows?

Xicer
February 22nd, 2008, 08:21 PM
Honestly? I think I could've seen the second half without seeing this episode and probably get over 90% of what was going on. This episode was really predictable IMO and I really felt like I learned nothing. Maybe it was because of the ad but even then I already knew Carson was going to be in this episode. I just wasn't that impressed overall.

One memorable line was when Todd said "There can only be one" and I immediately thought Highlander...

And I think what prion was talking about was the part in the preview where the announcer talks about how they can't trust Carson and that he might be a Replicator clone or something...

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 08:23 PM
Excellent Episode. A Great build up for Part 2, which will likely be all action and well catching up with Carson. I loved the new twist with Michael and what he has been up to. It truly gives a dark feel to the show, and NO I don't mean the lighting. :rolleyes:

The last 7 to 10 mins was very exciting. They got info where Teyla was likely being held, so they rushed, had a little battle, and to their surprise is one Carson Beckett in the cell.

Seriously, if it was not for the spoilers from SCI FI and forums like this, the twist at the end would of had people's jaws dropping.

As per the ep being predicatable, when you read spoilers, It's predictable. :p

tombombadil
February 22nd, 2008, 08:23 PM
I know carsons not a replicator but are they involved with this storyline at all?

well there was that Aurora at the end...

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:24 PM
And I think what prion was talking about was the part in the preview where the announcer talks about how they can't trust Carson and that he might be a Replicator clone or something...

I don't think that spoiled anything though.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:24 PM
Kanaan being part wraith was a bit of a stunner, wow, did not see that one coming. I feel for Teyla, but man, talk about character development for her. Imagine how you would feel to be gone for a couple months and to come home to find that your husband or wife has been turned into a mutant that hardly recognized you. That would tear me in two.

Michael was simply gold, pure and simple gold. That character is probably the best villain on Atlantis. And his connection to Teyla and the baby... ooo! I can't wait to see where this goes.

Loved getting to see Lorne again. This character needs more air time, he is so good at just taking command and keeping his cool no matter what.

Totally agree with you!!

I really enjoyed the Micheal twist, everyone says they ruined it with promos but they never even touched the main plot, MICHEAL. That was kind of creepy when he showed his hand, what no sucky thing!!

And teyla must have been wrong about who's the father.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:26 PM
As for next week's ad...Anyone else catch the Aurora jumping to hyperspace? Weir's group, perhaps?

Maybe its the travlers. Good old Larin. or the imfamous Tria :eek:

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:27 PM
Totally agree with you!!

I really enjoyed the Micheal twist, everyone says they ruined it with promos but they never even touched the main plot, MICHEAL. That was kind of creepy when he showed his hand, what no sucky thing!!

And teyla must have been wrong about who's the father.

My guess is Michael is somehow the father... in an obscene Wraith way.

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:28 PM
Maybe its the travlers. Good old Larin. or the imfamous Tria :eek:

Hmmm... but what would Larrin be doing here? And the Tria...? Next up we'll see the Tollan dial into Atlantis! :eek:

poland626
February 22nd, 2008, 08:29 PM
The stuff in the spoilers makes no sense, how did you get to those conclusions.

In the trailer they mentioned replicators but they were nowhere to be seen.

Pharaoh Atem
February 22nd, 2008, 08:29 PM
Excellent Episode. A Great build up for Part 2, which will likely be all action and well catching up with Carson. I loved the new twist with Michael and what he has been up to. It truly gives a dark feel to the show, and NO I don't mean the lighting. :rolleyes:

The last 7 to 10 mins was very exciting. They got info where Teyla was likely being held, so they rushed, had a little battle, and to their surprise is one Carson Beckett in the cell.

Seriously, if it was not for the spoilers from SCI FI and forums like this, the twist at the end would of had people's jaws dropping.

As per the ep being predicatable, when you read spoilers, It's predictable. :p

exactly which is why i'm going to wait for Alzheimer and then i'm going to watch stargate again for the first time. ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:29 PM
Maybe its the travlers. Good old Larin. or the imfamous Tria :eek:

It could be the travellers but there's no obvious reason for them to be involved. Unless they come to Atlantis to find out about the plague maybe.

miss_kaylee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:30 PM
What if there was a second Carson Clone? Maybe Michael wanted them to find the second clone. The real Carson could be on the same ship as Teyla.

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:30 PM
Hmmm... but what would Larrin be doing here? And the Tria...? Next up we'll see the Tollan dial into Atlantis! :eek:
Well, Joe DID say we COULD see the Tria again, but I doubt it. Hey, maybe it's time Earth lost a ship. So...give an Ancient one and blow it up at the end of the episode! Isn't that how it works?

Ruffles
February 22nd, 2008, 08:31 PM
Spoiler free is definitely the way to go. I loved this ep. I thought the pacing and tension were good, and the guest stars were out of this world. How can it get much better than Carson, Michael, Todd, Lorne and Caldwell in the same ep? OK, add Zelenka and I might faint from the goodness.

I had no idea if what Teyla was seeing was visions or dreams, but I loved that John didn't care. Teyla was vunerable and strong and scared and sassy and loving and vengeful. RL did a wonderful job portraying her. I didn't expect the trader to be a set up until he kept eyeing her on the walk to the gate. Nice moment between Teyla and Carter, and I loved her saying "Call me Sam".

Hoff - how excellent to pull out an S1 story that had been dropped to explain what was happening and pave the way to Carson. Loved the red-herring kids.

Todd - my love knows no bounds. He always seems amused by the humans to the point of teasing Sheppard and Ronon ("Perhaps next time" Hee!).

Michael - my other Wraith love. Creepy yet pitiable. Takes a lot of talent to pull that off and Conner Trinneer delivers as always. As much as Todd makes me laugh, Michael makes me want to cry.

Team - I love the little stuff. Ronon teasing McKay about buying him something to show his respect, and McKay's response. McKay buying Teyla a gift so her kid will love science then sitting and listening to her. He obviously thought she was nuts but he at least figured out how to say the right thing to her face. Sheppard and Ronon watching McKay eat.

Carson - short but sweet. So good to see him. Looking forward to next week.

The Athosians - it makes me sad to think they have all been turned into Michael's bug people although I suspected as much from The Seer. I hope they can be returned to normal.

Who were the guys guarding Carson? Just Wraith worshippers in some uniform?

Great ep. I really enjoyed it.

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:31 PM
It could be the travellers but there's no obvious reason for them to be involved. Unless they come to Atlantis to find out about the plague maybe.

That could work. Maybe some Traveler trading partners get hit, and Larrin decides to see if Atlantis knows anything.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:32 PM
Hmmm... but what would Larrin be doing here? And the Tria...? Next up we'll see the Tollan dial into Atlantis! :eek:

Now that would be creepy, But I was just bringing to the table that there are two other Auroras that we know of that are out there.

Lady Snow
February 22nd, 2008, 08:33 PM
Hmmm... but what would Larrin be doing here? And the Tria...? Next up we'll see the Tollan dial into Atlantis! :eek:

Don't even joke about something like that!! :)

---

The episode was alright. I really enjoyed seeing all but two or three major plot threads come back into the fold (though perhaps Ford would have added something amusing to the mix...), and since I adore both Paul McGillion and Connor Trinneer (okay, so maybe I actually squeal "TRIP!!" at the TV whenever he comes on...), this was a lot of fun for me to watch.

It'll be interesting to see how these threads play together now, instead of separately.

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:33 PM
In the trailer they mentioned replicators but they were nowhere to be seen.
And your point is? They could have made a mistake...

the fifth man
February 22nd, 2008, 08:33 PM
Really good episode overall. Yeah, the end was known, but it was still great leading up to the reveal IMO. I think next week's episode should be amazing.

Pharaoh Atem
February 22nd, 2008, 08:34 PM
Really good episode overall. Yeah, the end was known, but it was still great leading up to the reveal IMO. I think next week's episode should be amazing.

i'm more excited about finding out the truth about carson

idlewild202
February 22nd, 2008, 08:34 PM
Seriously, if it was not for the spoilers from SCI FI and forums like this, the twist at the end would of had people's jaws dropping.I agree, if only Sci Fi hadn't pulled that stunt with the promo... they pretty much gave away the entire episode :rolleyes: But, oh well, it is said and done. Hopefully it will not happen again in the future.


Totally agree with you!!

I really enjoyed the Micheal twist, everyone says they ruined it with promos but they never even touched the main plot, MICHEAL. That was kind of creepy when he showed his hand, what no sucky thing!!

And teyla must have been wrong about who's the father.Exactly! I knew Michael was in this ep, but I did not know how or why. Him turning himself into a more humanized wraith is a VERY interesting turn in his story. He was always so angered that he was given the retrovirus by us humans and turned into a human himself. But now it seems that he is accepting that fate and even embracing it, using it to his advantage.

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 08:34 PM
Really good episode overall. Yeah, the end was known, but it was still great leading up to the reveal IMO. I think next week's episode should be amazing.

The entire build up was amazing. The whole twist with Michael and Teyla's people, truly amazing. It just added so much depth to the entire show with this new story arc twist.

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:36 PM
Exactly! I knew Michael was in this ep, but I did not know how or why. Him turning himself into a more humanized wraith is a VERY interesting turn in his story. He was always so angered that he was given the retrovirus by us humans and turned into a human himself. But now it seems that he is accepting that fate and even embracing it, using it to his advantage.

What I find most interesting is that inginuity like that is a hallmark of humanity. Maybe the retrovirus has given him a way to combine both human and Wraith styles of thought... creating truly terrifying possibilities.

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 08:36 PM
I agree, if only Sci Fi hadn't pulled that stunt with the promo... they pretty much gave away the entire episode :rolleyes: But, oh well, it is said and done. Hopefully it will not happen again in the future.




Well I think the whole Michael and Teyla thing made the episode very interesting and suspensful. But I agree, should of had a surprise ending like "BAMSR" when Weir appears in the last 10 secs.

cabouse18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:40 PM
Excellent Episode. A Great build up for Part 2, which will likely be all action and well catching up with Carson. I loved the new twist with Michael and what he has been up to. It truly gives a dark feel to the show, and NO I don't mean the lighting. :rolleyes:

The last 7 to 10 mins was very exciting. They got info where Teyla was likely being held, so they rushed, had a little battle, and to their surprise is one Carson Beckett in the cell.

Seriously, if it was not for the spoilers from SCI FI and forums like this, the twist at the end would of had people's jaws dropping.

As per the ep being predicatable, when you read spoilers, It's predictable. :p

Soooo true! :D I give the ep 8 out of 10...I really enjoyed it...i thought they explained some of the things that have been going on ie the missing Athosians...what exactly Michael has been up to....it was pretty good. Next week looks good too.


What I find most interesting is that inginuity like that is a hallmark of humanity. Maybe the retrovirus has given him a way to combine both human and Wraith styles of thought... creating truly terrifying possibilities.

Interesting thought....and terrifying at the same time b/c we are talking about Michael.

Yashiv
February 22nd, 2008, 08:40 PM
One memorable line was when Todd said "There can only be one" and I immediately thought Highlander...


Could it also have been the numerous commercials for Highlander: Source DVDs or whatever it was? ;)

Myles
February 22nd, 2008, 08:42 PM
It was an alright episode, but I was expecting more. To me it just seemed so...well, slow. Top it off with an less then exciting battle and I was left a little dissapointed.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:42 PM
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Hoff - how excellent to pull out an S1 story that had been dropped to explain what was happening and pave the way to Carson. Loved the red-herring kids.

Todd - my love knows no bounds. He always seems amused by the humans to the point of teasing Sheppard and Ronon ("Perhaps next time" Hee!).

The Athosians - it makes me sad to think they have all been turned into Michael's bug people although I suspected as much from The Seer. I hope they can be returned to normal.

Who were the guys guarding Carson? Just Wraith worshippers in some uniform?

I liked how they revisted the Hoffans too. I'm glad they finally put a end (no matter how tragic) to other storylines they develop.

I liked that with Todd to. Kind of friendly enemies, but Todd seemed pretty worried when Ronan said they were there to kill him, his voice kind of changed octaves.

Stuff in bold: I thought they were part of Teylas people gaurding Carson.

poland626
February 22nd, 2008, 08:43 PM
And your point is? They could have made a mistake...

So? That could have led some people, like me, to think of stuff that actually wasn't in the plot line.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:43 PM
I'm pretty sure SciFi just took advantage of the fact that Carson was in this episode to try and boost the ratings. I think we can all agree that the ratings for this ep are gonna be a little higher than some recent episodes.

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 08:44 PM
I'm pretty sure SciFi just took advantage of the fact that Carson was in this episode to try and boost the ratings. I think we can all agree that the ratings for this ep are gonna be a little higher than some recent episodes.

After that stunt this ep better pull in similar ratings to "Midway" :S

idlewild202
February 22nd, 2008, 08:45 PM
What I find most interesting is that inginuity like that is a hallmark of humanity. Maybe the retrovirus has given him a way to combine both human and Wraith styles of thought... creating truly terrifying possibilities.Well, he said it himself. He is a hybrid. Part human, part wraith. Because of that he is simply deadly. Not in a ruthless barabian way, but in a cunning, smart, and dare I say it, even in my opinion, in a compassionate sort of manner. He is not someone I would want to anger. The possibilities for his character are vast, I cannot wait to see where this story line goes.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:46 PM
After that stunt this ep better pull in similar ratings to "Midway" :S

Well it's really only gotta get up to 1.3 to be a considerable jump. I think 1.4 is a pretty reasonable expectation.

jelgate
February 22nd, 2008, 08:47 PM
Disclaimer:Jelgate is not responisble for any spoilers you may read

Jelgate's Two Cents
I know I have said it before but this episode was fantastic. It had everything: action, space battle, character interaction (ie McKay/Teyla), twists, and the return of a demented villain.

Where do I begin this review?

I guess the best place is the beginning? It was obvious at the beginning that Teyla was having a dream, but that didn't take away the enjoyment of the scene. I congratulate RL for really making Teyla's angst over Kanan's death believable. I know men aren't suppose cry but I almost had a few tears their (waits for red).

I laughed so hard with the McKay/Teyla scenes. It’s a long overdue that we should see some interaction between these two. The present he presented was hilarious. I am a little scared to imagine what would happen if Teyla had actually put a recording on McKay talking to her fetus. One McKay is enough, thank you very much.

Everyone loves a mystery right, that’s what the first half of the episode was. We had two mysteries that strangely connected. The continued mystery was of the Athosians was able to keep my attention. Teyla can be a ruthless person when she wants. Holding a knife to a person’s throat is not something everyone can do. I'll admit that I don't see the attraction that some fans have to Lorrne but he had a very good stunt when chasing the merchant. I wonder how much that hurt when Teyla tripped him. I have to say that it seems like he gave in way to early. Michael certainly was cunning in that he was able to steal Teyla and only Teyla

I was surprised that the virus attacking the Pegasus Galaxy involved the Hoffan drug. It good to bring continuity into the story but when Keller said we had seen this virus before, my first thought was the retrovirus just because spoilers told me that Michael was involved. We all know that Michael was able to obtain and use the virus because of Beckett, but my question is why he would do such a thing and if force was a factor in the progress.

I have to say Michael is trying a very ambitious endeavor. Committing genocide is no small task. But he leaves a lot of question to be answered. How was he able to eliminate feeding? Why are the Athosians helping him? Is Kanan doing this of his free will or has Michael done a little brainwashing. How was Michael able to communicate over vast differences? Lucky for me, I love a mystery and have faith that many of these questions will be answered.

I almost forgot to mention our little Wraith friend. What I truly love about this guy is that he is SGA version of Ba'al and Yu. He wouldn't stop to stab us in the back, but will help us when it serves his purpose. It doesn't surprise me that the Wraith stole Todd's Midway information. As it was stated in SoW, Todd is losing his credibility among the Wraith. Lucky for us he was able to find Michaels’s location, ever if we were a bit early.

Who can not help but love to see Col. Caldwell and his ship in an Atlantis episode? One thing that bothers me is why didn't he shoot the beam weapons at the Wraith cruiser at first? They are obviously superior to one Wraith cruiser. If they used them then maybe the Wraith cruiser wouldn't have gotten away.

I felt like I was watching an old fashioned Stargate. We storm the building with P-90’s and try to save our people. I would like to take this minute to gloat. I knew that when the team opened the door we would see Beckett followed by these words we all hate. As said before their are many question that need to be answered. I can't wait to see what happens in next week's episode. Congrats to whoever wrote this episode? It rivals BAMSR as my favorite S4 episode.

Ruffles
February 22nd, 2008, 08:49 PM
But how did Todd/Michael find out about the Hoffan's drug research?

Carson. He's the one that created the original virus in Poisoning the Well (nice bit of irony there).


So is Michael creating human-Wraith hybrids now instead of the bug creatures? Weird. I thought that Michael looked more human than before. He also has human eyes now. Kanaan's now part Wraith! How crushing for Teyla. How did Michael convince the Athosians to serve him? Something's going on there. I hope that the Athoians are normal and not all human/Wraith hybrids.

The human-Wraith hybrids are the next step in his "bug creatures". They are stronger than humans (able to fight the Wraith) but don't need to feed. Like a modified version of Ford.

I think that either Michael was lying about the Athosians serving him (except for Kanaan) or he has turned them all into his new army. *is sad for Jinto*


Does Michael eat regular food now?

Seems like it. How else would he survive?


Does he still live forever or at least not age?

Good question.


What is with the Replicator Beckett thing for next week? I hope this is just misinformation like most clips give and he isn't really a Replicator. Plus, I'm sure everyone will be furious with the "Beckett in the flesh" promise. I hope either there is more than one Beckett (Human and Replicator) or it's just to throw people off. So are the Asurans invovled in next week's conclusion or something? Why was there a scene of Beckett in a stasis pod?

Vala,

I think (since it was dialogue) that they were guessing as to how it could be Carson. The last time they ran into duplicates (This Mortal Coil) they were replicator manufactured humans so I think it would be reasonable for them to suspect that. I missed the stasis pod bit.

Personal opinion on part 2
I think Carson is a clone. I think Michael had his DNA from their time together in Misbegotten. We already know from Spoils of War that the Wraith have cloning technology. Hence our Carson in the flesh. Just not the original. However, I am stuck on how he has Carson's memories. I guess that will be a surprise next week.

My guess is Michael is somehow the father... in an obscene Wraith way.

I don't think so. They went out of their way to point out Kanaan has Wraith DNA like Teyla. I think Kanaan is really the father. I think Michael sees potential in having a child born that has not been altered like the other Athosians. He will be able to take his experiments to the next level. Perhaps Kanaan was the only Athosian Michael has been able to alter since he has "the gift".

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 08:52 PM
So? That could have led some people, like me, to think of stuff that actually wasn't in the plot line.
Well, that should teach you not to take SciFi's promos seriously, as the people who do them are a bunch of morons.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 08:53 PM
Well, he said it himself. He is a hybrid. Part human, part wraith. He is perhaps one of the most complex characters on this whole show and I cannot wait to see where this story line goes.

An hybrid made out of worst characteristics of two different races, Wraith and human. Combined with the fact he is royally pOed at both Wraith and Atlantis. He is smart, to the fifth degree, extremly resourcefull, (only behind macguyver).

So with all those evil characteristics I just hope the writers write a great plot for him.

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 08:54 PM
Hey jelgate, cannot Green you, but hopefully other folks will. An excellent review and I totally agree.

I think Michael has become a very dynamic enemy, and this whole partnership with Todd is enough to raise a few eye brows, if the Wraith had eyebrows. :p

Like I said above, a great episode, shows a darker tone with Teyla, Michael, and Kanaan. Oh and one alive Carson Beckett. It sucks that we all read spoilers and SCI FI basically ruined the shock at the end for a lot of folks. But say we didn't know. The team thought they would find Teyla only to find Carson, lol.

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:56 PM
I don't think so. They went out of their way to point out Kanaan has Wraith DNA like Teyla. I think Kanaan is really the father. I think Michael sees potential in having a child born that has not been altered like the other Athosians. He will be able to take his experiments to the next level. Perhaps Kanaan was the only Athosian Michael has been able to alter since he has "the gift".

That was just to make us believe that the vision was genuine, I think.

Ruffles
February 22nd, 2008, 08:56 PM
Stuff in bold: I thought they were part of Teylas people gaurding Carson.

I thought so at first, but the guy Sheppard flipped over was not a hybrid like Kanaan and he was wearing some kind of uniform - not Athosian or Wraith. Kind of looked Genii to me but it could just be random.


Congrats to whoever wrote this episode? It rivals BAMSR as my favorite S4 episode.

That would be JM and PM.

Chezlee
February 22nd, 2008, 08:57 PM
Wow, loved the episode! Michael is kinda hot as a wraith hybrid that can no longer suck the life out of you lol. Good to see todd again, After last week good to know that he isnt such a bad guy after all, I just love when he is in an episode.

Best part Carsons return of course and I almost died there at the end when they started to go through a door and I thought "ok this is it!!" then the guards started shooting and I was like "noooooo! Carson! Go back!!!" Fabulous, next week will be even better, CANT WAIT!

Rac80
February 22nd, 2008, 08:58 PM
As for next week's ad...Anyone else catch the Aurora jumping to hyperspace? Weir's group, perhaps?

Ok I wasn't seeing things! I've got to watch that again!!! (thank the ori for DVR!)


Totally agree with you!!

I really enjoyed the Micheal twist, everyone says they ruined it with promos but they never even touched the main plot, MICHEAL. That was kind of creepy when he showed his hand, what no sucky thing!!

And teyla must have been wrong about who's the father.
Me has long thought that Michael "engineered" her pregnancy, he always had a "thing" for her ;)


Disclaimer:Jelgate is not responisble for any spoilers you may read

Jelgate's Two Cents
I know I have said it before but this episode was fantastic. It had everything: action, space battle, character interaction (ie McKay/Teyla), twists, and the return of a demented villain.

Where do I begin this review?

I guess the best place is the beginning? It was obvious at the beginning that Teyla was having a dream, but that didn't take away the enjoyment of the scene. I congratulate RL for really making Teyla's angst over Kanan's death believable. I know men aren't suppose cry but I almost had a few tears their (waits for red).

I laughed so hard with the McKay/Teyla scenes. It’s a long overdue that we should see some interaction between these two. The present he presented was hilarious. I am a little scared to imagine what would happen if Teyla had actually put a recording on McKay talking to her fetus. One McKay is enough, thank you very much.

Everyone loves a mystery right, that’s what the first half of the episode was. We had two mysteries that strangely connected. The continued mystery was of the Athosians was able to keep my attention. Teyla can be a ruthless person when she wants. Holding a knife to a person’s throat is not something everyone can do. I'll admit that I don't see the attraction that some fans have to Lorrne but he had a very good stunt when chasing the merchant. I wonder how much that hurt when Teyla tripped him. I have to say that it seems like he gave in way to early. Michael certainly was cunning in that he was able to steal Teyla and only Teyla

I was surprised that the virus attacking the Pegasus Galaxy involved the Hoffan drug. It good to bring continuity into the story but when Keller said we had seen this virus before, my first thought was the retrovirus just because spoilers told me that Michael was involved. We all know that Michael was able to obtain and use the virus because of Beckett, but my question is why he would do such a thing and if force was a factor in the progress.

I have to say Michael is trying a very ambitious endeavor. Committing genocide is no small task. But he leaves a lot of question to be answered. How was he able to eliminate feeding? Why are the Athosians helping him? Is Kanan doing this of his free will or has Michael done a little brainwashing. How was Michael able to communicate over vast differences? Lucky for me, I love a mystery and have faith that many of these questions will be answered.

I almost forgot to mention our little Wraith friend. What I truly love about this guy is that he is SGA version of Ba'al and Yu. He wouldn't stop to stab us in the back, but will help us when it serves his purpose. It doesn't surprise me that the Wraith stole Todd's Midway information. As it was stated in SoW, Todd is losing his credibility among the Wraith. Lucky for us he was able to find Michaels’s location, ever if we were a bit early.

Who can not help but love to see Col. Caldwell and his ship in an Atlantis episode? One thing that bothers me is why didn't he shoot the beam weapons at the Wraith cruiser at first? They are obviously superior to one Wraith cruiser. If they used them then maybe the Wraith cruiser wouldn't have gotten away.

I felt like I was watching an old fashioned Stargate. We storm the building with P-90’s and try to save our people. I would like to take this minute to gloat. I knew that when the team opened the door we would see Beckett followed by these words we all hate. As said before their are many question that need to be answered. I can't wait to see what happens in next week's episode. Congrats to whoever wrote this episode? It rivals BAMSR as my favorite S4 episode.

great review jelgate... I must agree with you! :D it was an old-style sg1 type ep! (your review was worth a nickle! don't sell yourself short ;) )

s09119
February 22nd, 2008, 08:59 PM
That would be JM and PM.

It's always JM isn't it? He truly is a God...

Jenner8675309
February 22nd, 2008, 09:02 PM
Ok, had I not been part of the SCB Campaign and had I not seen the promo, that reveal at the end would have been KILLER. I mean it was really fall on the floor - OMG!!!! :)

Even knowing I still was waiting, and waiting and waiting.........the build up of anticipation even knowing, esp with that gun fight drawing it out, man, I was holding my breath. And while many are like "ONLY 20 SECONDS!!!!", talk about a cliff hanger for those who have no clue. Hahaha, good job reeling us all in for the next ep. Of course we have to - it's CARSON :D

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 09:03 PM
It's always JM isn't it? He truly is a God...

Personally, I think it's usually Gero, but that's just me. ;)

prion
February 22nd, 2008, 09:04 PM
Everyone is totally misinterpretting the Skiffy promo for next week. The team is concerned that Beckett is a replicator, and is reluctant to trust him. I'm 99% certain Joe M. has told us Beckett is NOT a replicator.

Hmm, I think folks are misinterpreting my remarks! ;)



And I think what prion was talking about was the part in the preview where the announcer talks about how they can't trust Carson and that he might be a Replicator clone or something...

The thing is that they could have left the 'can we trust him' stuff in, but is he a replicator or not, and carter said something about the beckett sheppard knew was dead, or words to that effect. however, on the other hand, nothing on michael or teyla or todd. oh geez, that sounds like a soap opera lineup ;)

Briangate78
February 22nd, 2008, 09:06 PM
Ok, had I not been part of the SCB Campaign and had I not seen the promo, that reveal at the end would have been KILLER. I mean it was really fall on the floor - OMG!!!! :)

Even knowing I still was waiting, and waiting and waiting.........the build up of anticipation even knowing, esp with that gun fight drawing it out, man, I was holding my breath. And while many are like "ONLY 20 SECONDS!!!!", talk about a cliff hanger for those who have no clue. Hahaha, good job reeling us all in for the next ep. Of course we have to - it's CARSON :D


Wait till next week. He'll be in the entire episode and also in off world gear. Hmmmmmm. :p

suse
February 22nd, 2008, 09:09 PM
Line most likely to pull you from the moment:

"There can be only one."

:mckay::mckay::mckay: 4 people in the living room were saying "Don't say it!" But he did, he did! :indeed:

Huh. I was wondering if the kid got an extra dose of wraith gene. As Teyla was *so* much stronger to fight the queen earlier - and win.

Nice character interactions this week.

suse

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 09:13 PM
I thought so at first, but the guy Sheppard flipped over was not a hybrid like Kanaan and he was wearing some kind of uniform - not Athosian or Wraith. Kind of looked Genii to me but it could just be random.


Well I thought maybe that since Micheal did'nt have the life sucker thing that the Wraith worshipers would'nt want anything to do with him. Also the fact he looks more human than wraith, like a pOed smurf only taller.

Well anyway I thought the worshipers might tell the Wraith where Micheal was since they seem not to like one anther. Also if Micheal did have Wraith worshipers he would be a Wraith poser. And who would want to be that.

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 09:14 PM
Personally, I think it's usually Gero, but that's just me. ;)
I agree. I think Marty G. is God! JM is St. Peter...once in a while...;)

Cap116
February 22nd, 2008, 09:15 PM
Very good episode, can't wait to see what the explanation for Carson's return! As well as, what Michael is doing with his new "master" race. Great stuff!

Ruffles
February 22nd, 2008, 09:17 PM
Well I thought maybe that since Micheal did'nt have the life sucker thing that the Wraith worshipers would'nt want anything to do with him. Also the fact he looks more human than wraith, like a pOed smurf only taller.

Well anyway I thought the worshipers might tell the Wraith where Micheal was since they seem not to like one anther. Also if Micheal did have Wraith worshipers he would be a Wraith poser. And who would want to be that.

Good thought. Gives me something to consider. Thanks.

Maybe they were just hired thugs.

jelgate
February 22nd, 2008, 09:17 PM
Personally, I think it's usually Gero, but that's just me. ;)

I agree with you their but it still doesn't take away the quality. Also, Part 2 is usually better than Part 1

reddevil18
February 22nd, 2008, 09:18 PM
I agree with you their but it still doesn't take away the quality. Also, Part 2 is usually better than Part 1Can't argue with that.

Lord batchi ball
February 22nd, 2008, 09:23 PM
Good thought. Gives me something to consider. Thanks.

Maybe they were just hired thugs.

Very well could be.

But that was just what I thought, and i have been known to be wrong in the past so there is always the possibility.

Teslan
February 22nd, 2008, 09:24 PM
Oops. :o My apologizes to those who called Kanaan out as a Wraith worshipper. Although, right now, it seems to be purely the result of the alterations and brainwashing and not a choice.

I thought the episode was a little bit slow, but that didn't bother me too much because I knew it was going to be a set-up ep. I liked it over all, and to have the return of Dr. Beckett, Todd, and Michael means a fan really can't complain.:):beckett::wraith::wraith32: (those two guys really need their own smilies)

As big a fan of Michael as I am, he really does need to talk to Todd about making friends. Brainwashing, killing off civilizations to make "pets", and poisioning others is not really going to win people over. But I like the way they pointed out that he sees this as something he has to do to survive. It is not like the Atlantis expedition is really going to own up to their mistake and welcome him back with open arms. And the rest of the galaxy will probably kill him on sight.

Todd is another one of my favorites, and it is good to hear he didn't willingly give up the info he stole. I loved his reaction to their name for Michael, but it made me wonder they ever told him his yet? I don't recall them saying it to his face, but maybe I wasn't paying attention. Anyways, I think he always adds a lot of personality to the Wraith as a species and I often look forward to the episodes he is in.

As for Dr. B., I liked the character a lot and was sad when he died, but I won't say I was hollering for his return. But as I haven't warmed up so much to his replacement, or whatever you call Keller, I'm glad to see him back, at least for a few episodes. Can't wait for next week.

ladyjanus
February 22nd, 2008, 09:28 PM
Killer ep!

I love the Hoffan callback. Never would have suspected they would go all the way back for that particular plotpoint, but it makes sense once it was said and done, what with the Carson connection.

Cannot wait for next week...

Other things to love —

Lorne!!! Lots of Lorne!!! Lorne all guilty over losing Teyla!!!!!!

I want that bed. The one Teyla woke up in, in the forest.

Rodney being all sweet and smarmy, and totally clueless about his "present."

Nice scenes with Teyla and Carter. "Call me Sam."

Big as a house, Teyla still kicks ass. Boo-yah!

Rodney: "Rats?"

And last, but not least, my shipper's heart did a wicked little leap when I saw that Kanaan was hybrid-ized. Is it really, really bad of me to hope that he gets killed or dies or whatever, thereby taking him out of the equation in my John/Teyla fantasies? Okay, I'll live with it....

ladyjanus

cabouse18
February 22nd, 2008, 09:30 PM
Killer ep!

I love the Hoffan callback. Never would have suspected they would go all the way back for that particular plotpoint, but it makes sense once it was said and done, what with the Carson connection.

Cannot wait for next week...

Other things to love —

Lorne!!! Lots of Lorne!!! Lorne all guilty over losing Teyla!!!!!!

I want that bed. The one Teyla woke up in, in the forest.

Rodney being all sweet and smarmy, and totally clueless about his "present."

Nice scenes with Teyla and Carter. "Call me Sam."

Big as a house, Teyla still kicks ass. Boo-yah!

Rodney: "Rats?"

And last, but not least, my shipper's heart did a wicked little leap when I saw that Kanaan was hybrid-ized. Is it really, really bad of me to hope that he gets killed or dies or whatever, thereby taking him out of the equation in my John/Teyla fantasies? Okay, I'll live with it....
ladyjanus

Oh definately not.....I am sooooo with you on that :D

And the Hoffan call back was really cool...they don't do that often enough; go back and follow up on things.

dasNdanger
February 22nd, 2008, 09:40 PM
Just a fantastic episode!!

Lemme see...highlights...

I really enjoyed seeing pregnant Teyla kicking buttage. Go her! But there's more than that - loved Rodney's little gift - very thoughtful in Rodney's own Rodney-way. He means well, even if he ends up making it all about himself.

Michael - and his plans - have me very worried. I love the Wraith for the human-feeders that they are, and really would hate to see them eliminated from the show. And, even if they found an alternative food source, I really want them to still have a craving for humans. So...Michael's plans, whatever they are, don't sound good for my favorite characters. NICE way for TPTB to get me worrying about what lies ahead in S5. With no hints of major Wraith involvement in S5 yet, I'm feeling a bit uneasy about Michael's plans, and their success. :(

Love how this episode ties into events in other seasons, going all the way back to the first. Makes the show feel very connected with itself - something that is often missing from series like this. Very well done, without feeling forced in any way.

The best part for me was, of course, Todd. He was awesome - even with his Highlander line. I found it rather amusing - and perhaps - a bit of foreshadowing to The Last Man? 'There can be only one?' - the Last one, perhaps? We'll just have to wait and see...but I think there may be more to that line than meets the eye.

Another thing I totally loved about Todd in this is that he was a bit more cocky - a bit more Wraith-like than when he was with the humans. On his home turf, he had a lot more confidence, more of a swagger about him - and I LOVED it!

ACK!! Just rewatching - and I got a rather - pervy vibe - from Todd when he said about Teyla "I suppose she's already made some lucky Wraith a very tasty meal' - just the way he says it makes me think that HE would have enjoyed feeding on Teyla himself... :p

God, just loved this episode...just to see a Wraith who isn't cannon fodder for a change is so worth it!

das

umbai
February 22nd, 2008, 10:11 PM
Oh definately not.....I am sooooo with you on that :D

And the Hoffan call back was really cool...they don't do that often enough; go back and follow up on things.

Personally, I called the Hoffan angle as soon as I read that it affected the Wraith. And then I squealed like a ten-year-old girl with Hannah Montana tickets when Keller confirmed it.

The bad, IMO, was the Daedalus. You have spiffy new Asgard beam weapons, and you don't use them until the end, and when you DO use them, you MISS!?! WHERE THE HELL IS MARKS!?

The ugly? Mike. Though I truly did like having him back, and want him and Todd to have the Wraith equivalent of a catfight, the whole "killing two birds with one stone" bit is a bit much on me.

Questions for Part Deux: How is he making additional soldiers? Is he giving them the retrovirus, and then the Hoffan virus? How many is he killing that way?

wheresmyfroggy
February 22nd, 2008, 10:18 PM
I agree with you their but it still doesn't take away the quality. Also, Part 2 is usually better than Part 1

Oh, I'm not saying that this ep was bad, I completely adored it. I'm just saying, usually my excitement level only goes up when I hear that Gero is penning an episode. I was SUPREMELY pleasantly suprised by Joe M.'s work here.

Actually, he also wrote Reunion this year, which I loved as well. I think he's getting better. :)

JennyDex
February 22nd, 2008, 10:31 PM
New to the forum and just want to say "hey" to all first.

I know some people here think this episode wasn't that good but I thought it was excellent and the whole Beckett thing wasn't even a big whoop in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Beckett. He and Ronon were/are the ultimate eye-candy for me!

What got me about this episode was the whole Michael/Teyla/Kanaan thing. Since the whole fight with the Wraith Queen and the boost she got from the baby, I starting thinking that her baby's father had to be part Wraith but couldn't quite figure out how. I started wondering if the man she thought was the father was actually a Wraith-turn-human spy or something but then that was squashed when she said they knew each other as kids. Enter Michael.

What he tells her is that he went through all that trouble for a family reunion but her people were no where in sight at the time. Yeah, they were on the ship but the way he said it made me think of a different kind of reunion of bringing her to him. Especially when he started going on about how he felt about her.

He's part human and because of that he formed an emotional attachment unlike other Wraiths, love. Why did he specifically take Teyla's people for this new experiment? Could it be that he knew she would look for them with a passion that would eventually bring her to him and just when she was ready to quit, he called for her pretending to be Kanaan. Also, if all of her people were to become this new type of thing he cooked up, she would be connected to them.

Think of Kanaan's reactions in the dreams, when he saw her pregnant belly, when he displayed a desperate need to reach out to her and have her reach for him back. These reactions were all Michael.

I find this story heart-breaking because its about a creature that is not trusted by his kind for being too human and not trusted by humans for not being human enough only to experience unrequited love because of his human flaw. It reminds me a lot of Fifth & Carter

ladyjanus
February 22nd, 2008, 10:38 PM
Okay, rewatching the ep on tape and I picked up on bit of dialogue that has me frowning...

The bits of jewelry in the box? Teyla IDs a ring in it as belonging to Halling. Is Halling dead? Turned into wraith/human hybrid zomie like Kanaan?

Not good for us Chris Hyerdahl (sp?) fans, cuz as much as I like Todd, I gave my heart to Halling first...

ladyjanus

Firespray
February 22nd, 2008, 11:02 PM
All I can really say is "Woo, Carson is back! :D :D" Why does Micheal look different each time we see him? :lol: Was pretty cool to see him again :) I hope the Athosians come back, at least some of them like Halling for instance, I really liked him, I hope he's not killed off:(

dasNdanger
February 22nd, 2008, 11:38 PM
Halling was nice, but Todd has SO much more personality! And he's HOT, besides! I will not miss Halling, but would seriously miss Todd if they write him out of the show.


das

rpmguitar
February 22nd, 2008, 11:49 PM
great episode. it did something that I didn't expect too. It made the athosians interesting. it also did a lot to tie the whole series together bringing back the athosians and hoffans from season 1, and michael and beckett. i'm really looking forward to part 2

Leliana McKay
February 22nd, 2008, 11:50 PM
This is what I call a true stargate episode! I like a good "let's twist the viewers brains " episode a lot more than just action.
So I give a 9.5/10 for the Kindred.

Finally getting some answers...
I love the fact that something that happened in season one can lead a greater plot in season four. Of course Carson being in the episode is the cherry on the top! So Carson and Michael have been working on the Hoffan research all that time?
I can't wait for next week's episode and the explanation of how that happened!
The team is having problems trusting Carson? Shocker! At least Rodney seems more open. The Rodney/Carson scene seen in the trailer is going to give me a few tears.

So many guest-stars!!
Michael, Todd, Caldwell, Lorne... **happy squeal**
Great acting from Rachel and Connor Trinner.
I too was a bit troubled by Michael's new change of look.
Lorne was just too cute talking about the flea market and his guilt at losing Teyla.And it's good to see Caldwell's shinny head!

Favorite scenes:
-Rodney's gift to Teyla... A recording of his voice for the baby. How thoughtful! Teyla-Rodney frienship rules! I love those moments.
-The reveal of Michael! With his new face I was like "Who is that?" well, only for 2 seconds.
-The reveal of CARSON! Everyone knew that was coming but I was still very excited. How much I missed him!

Friday can't come too soon!

garhkal
February 22nd, 2008, 11:53 PM
Why did the Daedalus use railguns first instead of the beam weapons? Also, missing the ship with the Asgard beam weapon? My god....it's making our ships' crews look incompetent.

IMO it was like with the LaGrand point satellite... It had to charge up a 'buffer'.



Anyway, I did like the definite undercurrent of animosity between SHep and gang and Todd. They both consider themselve necessary evils to complete their tasks. I honestly dont' want to see it any other way.


Yes, that was some great banter back and fourth.. BUT you just had to love how Todd played it out.


Interesting lead up. I always wondered what happend to the Hoffans, I'm not surprised they were destroyed. But how did Todd/Michael find out about the Hoffan's drug research?

Perhaps the knowledge of what the Hoffans put out there was given to all hives before the wraith fragmented..


So is Michael creating human-Wraith hybrids now instead of the bug creatures? Weird. I thought that Michael looked more human than before. He also has human eyes now. Kanaan's now part Wraith!

It would seem. AND they don't have to feed on humans... how good for us. Now we just need to find ot how to distrubute it to the rest of the wraith.


How crushing for Teyla. How did Michael convince the Athosians to serve him? Something's going on there. I hope that the Athoians are normal and not all human/Wraith hybrids.

Remember back in Reunion.. Those Satedans were drained and refed back their life force so many times they just broke. Perhaps that is what Michael did to get them to work for him. And i too hope all are not now hybreds.



Oh man, I don't even know where to start. I really liked how they intertwined the different plot lines of the episode into one. The Hoffan disease, Teyla's visions, and Todd. It all came together in the end, though Todd not so much. It was clever, well done, and I was not bored for one second.

Neither was i. I also loved how they tied in thigs from seasons 1 through 3 into this.. Even the retrovirus got mentioned.



Kanaan being part wraith was a bit of a stunner, wow, did not see that one coming. I feel for Teyla, but man, talk about character development for her. Imagine how you would feel to be gone for a couple months and to come home to find that your husband or wife has been turned into a mutant that hardly recognized you. That would tear me in two.

Actually i figured it out, just after Teyla confided in Sam that he was also a 'gift' posessor. From what we have seen they can only link with WRAITH... so gift to gift users are a no go.



Michael was simply gold, pure and simple gold. That character is probably the best villain on Atlantis. And his connection to Teyla and the baby... ooo! I can't wait to see where this goes.

That e was. heck he is replacing Ba'al as my fave baddie..


So michael no longer has to feed.

That was a shocker when he showed his hands... Makes me wonder if in part 2 we will get our hands on that new retrovirus..



I have long expected for the Wraith to somehow overcome their need to feed, so seeing that happen is interesting. It should open a lot of opportunities - for example, would someone like Todd willingly take this "cure"? Would the Atlantis expedition, if they got their hands on it, try to administer it, the way they did with the retrovirus?

I feel Todd would, but not the others... Me thinks too many simply LIKE feeding off humans.
As to us using it, i feel we have gotten a little better at NOT doing stuff that turns around and rebites us on the butt



Also, am I the only one who was expecting Teyla to start singing at the beginning, when they were burning Kanaan? :D
All in all, good episode.
8/10
I too was especting her to sing..


My guess is Michael is somehow the father... in an obscene Wraith way.

that would be freaky!



I was surprised that the virus attacking the Pegasus Galaxy involved the Hoffan drug. It good to bring continuity into the story but when Keller said we had seen this virus before, my first thought was the retrovirus just because spoilers told me that Michael was involved. We all know that Michael was able to obtain and use the virus because of Beckett, but my question is why he would do such a thing and if force was a factor in the progress.


when they revealed that, it was a big shocker to me as well, but also made sense when you look at it.



Huh. I was wondering if the kid got an extra dose of wraith gene. As Teyla was *so* much stronger to fight the queen earlier - and win.

That might explain why she was able to battle the queen so well, the kid is stronger than teyla is.

wheresmyfroggy
February 23rd, 2008, 12:08 AM
Well, over at stargate.mgm.com they've put up their promo vid which sheds a teensy bit more light on the Carson situation.

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 12:34 AM
SGA - SciFi Channel Updates for The Kindred, Part 1:

From the SciFi Channel's Stargate Atlantis site, updates for Feb 29, 2008:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/

"The Kindred, Part 1"

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/episodes.php?seas=4&ep=0414&act=1

* Episode Synopsis

* Episode Photos


NEW Alex Levine Blog update for “The Kindred, Part 1:”

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/


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NEXT new episode: "The Kindred, Part 2:" And old friend’s unforeseen return spurs a race against time to rescue a missing teammate.


Special Guest Stars: Paul McGillion, Connor Trinneer

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Trailer for "The Kindred, Part 2:"

Pending



NEW Quiz:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/quizzes/michael/index.php?start=1

MICHAEL

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Feb. 23, 2008

Neither Wraith nor man, this perennial enemy of Atlantis just won't quit. Take the quiz and see how well you know Michael and all his nefarious schemes!

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GET IN THE GATE SWEEPSTAKES - The Iris Closes March 14, 008!

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From the MGM Stargate site:

Unlock the Gate Sweepstakes

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The Gate closes on March 13, 2008.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 23rd, 2008, 01:03 AM
All I can really say is "Woo, Carson is back! :D :D" Why does Micheal look different each time we see him? :lol: Was pretty cool to see him again :) I hope the Athosians come back, at least some of them like Halling for instance, I really liked him, I hope he's not killed off:(

I noticed he looked a little more "Human" than the last time I remember seeing him.


Halling was nice, but Todd has SO much more personality! And he's HOT, besides! I will not miss Halling, but would seriously miss Todd if they write him out of the show.

I think CH makes a better villain. I'm not saying he was bad as Halling because he was good in that role (and the one on SG-1 too) but the way he plays Todd is awesome.

AutumnDream
February 23rd, 2008, 01:16 AM
- Todd is the only wraith I have ever liked besides Steve. I generally hate the wraith because they are not compelling as antagonists and are more often than not unbearably cheesy. But Todd actually makes me enjoy a wraith scene now and then. Thanks, Todd.

- Why is Teyla showing massive cleavage 100% of the time? I'm no puritan, but it would be nice to see her in like... some other type of top sometimes. Or at least make it a little more subtle. Like seriously the entire screen is just breasts a lot of the time. What is going on here.

- The episode was awkwardly written as usual on SGA, but it's vaguely interesting when once or twice a season they make an unwieldly attempt at writing a complex story. Micheal is a pretty lame character who is thought to be deep and intriguing by many fans, and apparently the producers as well, but he's generally overwrought and uninteresting so this storyline is mostly uninteresting too. "Oh no! Micheal, a slight variation of a badguy that wants to control the galaxy, also wants to control the galaxy and this is his new wacky scheme for doing so!"

I have an idea for a fresh new direction for Atlantis Season 5! Check this out: The replicators emerge again, except they are slightly different than the normal replicators, and they want to control the galaxy. They have a plan to accomplish this and it's up to our underdeveloped comic book heroes to stop it!

PS: Thanks to the network for making the end of this episode completely lame and boring for hundreds of thousands of fans. It would have been pretty cool if they just opened the door and it was Beckett and I had no prior knowledge of it. I've heard that creators generally intend their audience to experience their work with no prior knowledge, but apparently this is not how things work in this brave new world and I am unable to comprehend modern avant-garde methodologies.

Another fine job by Sci-Fi. (#1 in science fiction/wrestling entertainment)

jcjoeyfreak
February 23rd, 2008, 01:24 AM
Hey there people! First post here. I gotta say, I loved this ep. I think my favorite part was Teyla hitting that guy in the face with that huge stick. She may waddle to and fro, but she'll still kick your butt.

Also, I couldn't help but notice, near the end there, when Sheppard turned that guy that was on the floor over, he told Sheppard that he was 'too early'...

Does anything think that might be a plot point for the next couple eps? Particularly The Last Man, having to do with time travel?

memnarch
February 23rd, 2008, 01:26 AM
I was worried that The Kindred wouldn't be able to measure up to the fine standard set by Midway (seriously, Teal'c AND Ronan together kicking Wraith butt??? Awesome) but my fears were unfounded. Quite the nice mystery, and even though I knew that Michael was in it and that Carson was coming back, the Hoffan drug was an unexpected twist that I really enjoyed.

Also, Michael's new form presents a host of possibilities. It's interesting, especially because these new hybrids that Michael's making wouldn't be trying to take over the galaxy for food purposes, rather, they're out to conquer because they want to. It'll be interesting to see if they've lost the regenerative abilities of the Wraith. It's possible that these newbies could be the new enemy hinted at by the producers. It'd be nice if they weren't, as new enemies mean far more story possibilities, but either way will result in a new direction.

Carson's return was great to see. He's definitely one of my favorite characters in the franchise as a whole. I'm a little sad that he'll probably be a replicator copy, as that route seems a bit overdone by now. Still, I shouldn't complain I guess. What I'm wondering is: a. how Michael got a hold of him and b. whether he's willingly helping Michael with the Hoffan drug or if he was coerced somehow (although if he's a replicator, I don't see how that'd be possible, since they're dang near impossible to damage).

As far as the personal relationships in the episode, I loved seeing Rodney give Teyla a gift. Too often we see Sheppard and Teyla or Teyla and Ronon or Sheppard and Ronon or McKay and Sheppard. Teyla and McKay have had very little interaction, and this was definitely a welcome change. I also liked that McKay at least pretended to support Teyla's vision instead of bluntly telling her she was crazy, which the Rodney a few years ago most certainly would've done. Teyla and Kanaan's "reunion," was tragic, although not entirely unexpected. Especially after we learned that he already had Wraith DNA. Michael and Teyla's interaction was also a surprise. Michael has always been drawn to Teyla and this episode certainly demonstrates that he's willing to do anything to get close to her and have the companionship that he's lacked since he was humanized. Given that Kanaan (and possibly the other Athosians) seem rather zombified, it's understandable that he'd want some kind of companionship.

Anyway, overall: *** stars (Gateworld rating system)

Platschu
February 23rd, 2008, 02:10 AM
It was a great episode, but I was a bit disappointed that they used Beckett only in a cameo role like Weir in BAMSR. I thought he will get more screen time. :o

Willow'sCat
February 23rd, 2008, 02:14 AM
I don't want to judge this ep too harshly as I do think we need to see the second part; however I found it to be not the least bit engaging, I had guessed weeks ago that Teyla was only having visions of Kannan (?) and he of course wasn't really being burnt to a crisp :p I as with 99.9% of online fans knew Carson would be back in the end, and the way Rodney was portrayed left me wishing McKay never showed up at all in this one. :cool: I think the moment between Teyla and McKay was a lost one... such a pity. :(

So yeah it is a good thing I am not judging this ep too harshly yet as it would be getting 4 out of 10 and that 4 is only because of Michael and Todd! :p

I hope next week is not a big old reset Carson one as I will be pissed off! :cool: He died lets keep him that way. ;):rolleyes:

freetoken
February 23rd, 2008, 02:45 AM
As someone who refuses to watch the trailers for succeeding weeks, and also ignores the online chatter/gossip, the surprise ending had effect for me.

Of course, the immediate question becomes "how is this possible", and yes one could guess "replicators."

The nice thing about this episode is that it gives Teyla enough screen time to actually be a person and not room decorations.

The.Road.Not.Taken
February 23rd, 2008, 03:11 AM
As someone who refuses to watch the trailers for succeeding weeks, and also ignores the online chatter/gossip, the surprise ending had effect for me.

Of course, the immediate question becomes "how is this possible", and yes one could guess "replicators."

The nice thing about this episode is that it gives Teyla enough screen time to actually be a person and not room decorations.

well she is perganant while it was shot so she cant be in it too long each ep she will get tired

melfan
February 23rd, 2008, 03:24 AM
Oh my frikking god!
This was one awsome episode!

bluealien
February 23rd, 2008, 03:27 AM
Excellent episode. ...like Midway I loved every bit of it. Great pacing and lots of little surprises that I didn't see coming. The Hofman virus was the biggest surprise and I love how the writers weaved it into the story.

Always a pleasure to see Todd and Michael. I have been looking foward to seeing Michael all season and he never disappoints.

Great to see more of Teyla and she was awesome here.. kudos to Rachel for doing a great job. This episode certaintly lived up to my expectations and can't wait to see part 2.

Also .. great seeing Lorne again too..:)
10/10

Nitegate
February 23rd, 2008, 03:27 AM
i'm just giving my opinion that in part 2 we will see

that carson is the real carson, yeah on the preview for next week they have to say clone or replicator to take precautions. but also that carson is brain washed maybe, that's why it says possibly can't be trusted, cause you see kanaan was brainwashed, it might explain why beckett helped him.

but i thought it was a great episode, can't wait to get the answers next week

melfan
February 23rd, 2008, 03:31 AM
i'm just giving my opinion that in part 2 we will see

that carson is the real carson, yeah on the preview for next week they have to say clone or replicator to take precautions. but also that carson is brain washed maybe, that's why it says possibly can't be trusted, cause you see kanaan was brainwashed, it might explain why beckett helped him.

but i thought it was a great episode, can't wait to get the answers next week

are in total agreement with ya! Next ep will rock!

Linzi
February 23rd, 2008, 04:29 AM
I enjoyed this episode very much, though I had to watch it twice to really appreciate it.

Kindred I started a little slowly for me, but soon gathered momentum before reaching a fast, exciting conclusion... or should I say a 'to be continued...', which in itself left me with a whole load of unanswered questions!

Ok, so, Teyla is having visions of Kanaan, and goes about trying to find her people and specifically the father of her child. In doing so, she's falls into a trap and is captured by Michael, who actually is behind the visions, ( this didn't surprise me, I sort of saw that coming) - who we find out has been poisoning worlds with a hybrid version of the Hoff serum. Using the serum is good continuity and I really was not expecting that. He wants to kill the wraith, but is happy sacrificing 30% of humans to do that. Michael has had someone helping him perfect the serum? Wonder who that could be? ;)

Ah, Michael. My goodness he's changed. It's unusual for me to be surprised. And when he revealed he no longer needs to feed on humans, I was surprised - pleasantly. His hand sucker is gone! :eek: Nice reveal. He looks a little more human, but what has he become, I wonder, and what are his plans? Domination of the galaxy comes to mind! He said he's perfected his army, but are they Athosians who've been altered, or are the bug people still left too? I can't wait to find out!!!!

What about Kanaan? ( or Kanan, or Kannan? :lol:). He seems to have been genetically altered and to be somehow subordinate to Michael. Oh dear, poor Teyla :( So, Michael has tinkered with the Athosians and now they follow him and execute his wishes? Uh oh. This can't be good.

Michael has plans for Teyla's child? Is that because of the strong wraith DNA link? Because now we know Kanaan has the wraith DNA too? Thus the baby has a double dose? Or has Michael interfered/intervened more than we know?


It was nice to see Todd again. He needs the team's help because he needs Hoff serum information, and they need him to help find Teyla. I really am pleased with Todd's inclusion in season 4 so much. He's a great character, and I really love his tenuous relationship with the team, particularly Sheppard.

Of course, when the team gets the information from Todd they've been hoping for, it doesn't quite lead them where they expected. Yes, they find a member of the team, but it's not who they expected. Cue Carson. Or is it?

My feeling is he's a genetically engineered clone. We know Michael and the wraith have that ability, and Michael is a scientist and spent a fair bit of time alone with Carson in Misbegotten... What does this all mean? I have no idea! :lol: Could this be the REAL Carson? I don't think so. Mainly because I can't see how Michael would have had time to replace the original one. But this Carson could well be a clone, in fact that's what I've always thought. I guess all will be revealed next week.

I liked the Carter and Teyla bonding here. The way Carter asks Teyla to call her Sam. It's such a shame Carter can't be in season 5! There is so much potential for her to build friendships with the team! Such is life...:(

I loved that Rodney could eat and Shep and Ronon couldn't because they're so worried about Teyla. I do think Rodney was worried, I just think he eats in times of stress...or maybe he just eats a lot! :lol:

I liked his gift to Teyla, but it was typically about him! :lol: Still, it's the thought that counts, after all. At least he didn't show Teyla he thought she'd lost the plot when she told him about the vision, even if he really did. He appeared to support her, even if he feels she's perhaps not facing the truth - which quite honestly is a realistic reaction.

I liked that Sheppard didn't care what his own thoughts were about the visions. He knew Teyla needed to act on the visions and he felt they 'owed her one'. I love the way he supports his team and trusts them :)

So, overall a good episode. Some great reveals, a very good second half and it leaves me feeling positive for Kindred II. 7.5/10 after first viewing, elevated to 8.5/10 after the second. JM did good. :)

JackHarkness_Hot
February 23rd, 2008, 04:52 AM
A beautiful title for a beautiful episode.

I really enjoyed this episode, it was cleverly written out, nice tone and nice steady pace, the story I felt wasn't rushed and it was beautiful. The dialogue between the cast was good and this is the first time Carter actually behaved like a leader, IMO. About time but oh well. Teyla and her quest to find her people which resulted finding Michael and I felt bad when she found her lover was modified by Michael.

I'm glad this episode wasn't all guns and fury like last week's episode, all characters got an equal opportunity to feature their quirks (like McKay and his lack of lunch for example) and how the characters are folding into one another, like for example a more deeper connection for the likes of Teyla and Lorne and you can tell, he is very protective of her which was excellent. Oh yes, it's good to see Beckett's back, sort of, lol

Brilliant episode, very well thought out and written so good job there and I can't wait for next week! :D

Klenotka
February 23rd, 2008, 05:47 AM
OMG, what a terrible chaos!

I mean, it was good episode but...why do they have to give everything to one episode? If they skipped Harmony, Quarantine and Trio and did the actual so called story-arc, it would have been much better.

Todd, Michael, Carson, Hoffan drug...all in one episode, and Keller´s "we are watching the virus for some time, as you know" WTF? When did they say that?!
This is how tptb think the story-arc works - let´s say some story, that is going for few months, in five seconds in 18th episode. :rolleyes:

OK, it was the negative stuff. I think chaos was one of the biggest issue in this episode.

What I liked - Rodney, Lorne and Carter (!)
Even it is a little crazy to start making Carter a commander now, I liked her. She was there as a decisive force. I still think that there is absolutely no chemistry and dynamics between her and Sheppard. But there is probably also nothing they could do about it.
On the other hand, how Sam (or more likely, Amanda) was changing glances with Rodney, it was nice. It has probably to do something with friendship between Amanda and David. I am glad to see at least something from that on the screen.

Rodney and Teyla, it was nice scene. I guess it was the first normal scene between those two. I am sorry we haven´t been shown Rodney´s reaction to Teyla´s pregnancy but it is one of those things we just have to imagine.
He had cool quote about his experience with other conciousness and his other self :D The iPod was cute gift, I loved it!
I also liked his explanation about the reason why to give Todd the research. It was good, long but made sense...finally some progress?

But with all respect to Rachel fans...I think the more space she gets the more affected she is. I didn´t like her acting at all, especially in her scene with Michael, where Connor´s moderated acting was in a big contrast with her emoted performance.

Todd vs the team is always fun to watch. Sheppard and Rodney´s wills against Todd´s are cool scenes.

That´s all, I think :D

Anyway, I did like it but as I said, it was chaotic and it would deserve two or three more episodes.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 05:59 AM
A tsunami combined with a hurricane and an atomic bomb would yield better results than this episode. Horrible, horrible, and horrible. I wasted my time. It seems Teyla was written by a 5 year old.

AGateFan
February 23rd, 2008, 06:08 AM
Just watched my DVRd ep. Havent read any one elses post.

First thing I got to say: Gee I cant believe what happened in the last 5 minutes!!! ..... wait, yeah I can.

Oh, how can the Deadlus totally pwn replicator ships in about 6 seconds but not so much with one wraith hive?

As for the ep, it was fine. Predictable (especially that MAJOR TWIST at the end...if you saw the previews...or read the forum).

I am not a big fan of the whole superbaby (what I like to call "baby kills show") plot but we will see how TPTB does with it. It really wasnt any sort of suprise that Michael was the kidnapper or that Telya wouldnt have a happy reunion.

So...... Todd was entertaining enough (and of course not responsible for the attack on midway...another MAJOR SUPRISE...yeah notsomuch). Michael was good in the ep. Shep was good in the ep. Rodney was good in the ep. Ronan was good in the ep. Teyla was good in the ep. Carter was good in the ep. Keller was fine in the ep. Loren was good in the ep. Heck I even liked the two traders Teyla talked too(not the one with the bad hair who lead the trap, the other two). Too bad Zelinka wasnt in the ep I am sure he would hav been fine too.

Yea, so everyone did their job competantly (both the actors and the characters). Episode was nothing to give me chills or get me OMFGing but it was nothing that had me shaking my head or rolling my eyes either....well besides the baby-saves\destroys-the-universe thing..... or the Deadelus cant take on one wraith hive thing.....though I did like how this hive ship actually MOVED while in battle. Nice change in tactics there Micheal, now we know how you are pwning all the other wraith besides just poisoning them.

Oh well, next week we get the Carson repliclone story...maybe that was supposed to tie into the Weir repliclone story that is now having to be redone. Maybe Carson will end up in more then 5 eps next year. I like the actor well enough but loved the character. Too bad that character is gone well see if I will actually appreciate this new one TPTB make. Only time will tell.

SGFerrit
February 23rd, 2008, 06:43 AM
I loved this ep. I thought it was fantastic, it was Joe M's best ep yet IMO. I loved the whole thing, I loved seeing Michael again, Loved Teyla, the Rodney/Teyla moment, the Ronon/Rodney moment, the second massive disaster for Pegasus killing hundreds of thousands more people, the reveal about the Athosians, Seeing Hoff again, Lorne, the Teyla/Sam stuff, Teyla's ruthlessnes once again, Michael's new plans which are very intriguing, Todd, another different style location, the Teyla visions, the Deadalus, the Carson reveal...

I just loved it. It was one of my favourite eps of the season, and the season has been fantastic. I can't wait to see next week, and then how the ep ties into TLM and S&R.

So is that the end of Michael's bug people then, and he has now moved on to the human/Wraith hybrids?

Ruffles
February 23rd, 2008, 06:50 AM
New to the forum and just want to say "hey" to all first.

I know some people here think this episode wasn't that good but I thought it was excellent and the whole Beckett thing wasn't even a big whoop in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Beckett. He and Ronon were/are the ultimate eye-candy for me!

What got me about this episode was the whole Michael/Teyla/Kanaan thing. Since the whole fight with the Wraith Queen and the boost she got from the baby, I starting thinking that her baby's father had to be part Wraith but couldn't quite figure out how. I started wondering if the man she thought was the father was actually a Wraith-turn-human spy or something but then that was squashed when she said they knew each other as kids. Enter Michael.

What he tells her is that he went through all that trouble for a family reunion but her people were no where in sight at the time. Yeah, they were on the ship but the way he said it made me think of a different kind of reunion of bringing her to him. Especially when he started going on about how he felt about her.

He's part human and because of that he formed an emotional attachment unlike other Wraiths, love. Why did he specifically take Teyla's people for this new experiment? Could it be that he knew she would look for them with a passion that would eventually bring her to him and just when she was ready to quit, he called for her pretending to be Kanaan. Also, if all of her people were to become this new type of thing he cooked up, she would be connected to them.

Think of Kanaan's reactions in the dreams, when he saw her pregnant belly, when he displayed a desperate need to reach out to her and have her reach for him back. These reactions were all Michael.

I find this story heart-breaking because its about a creature that is not trusted by his kind for being too human and not trusted by humans for not being human enough only to experience unrequited love because of his human flaw. It reminds me a lot of Fifth & Carter

Welcome to the forum. To your question in bold - I think he took her people because she was the first human he had encountered that could link telepathically to the Wraith. He was looking for a way to "improve" his army, and her people held a secret he wanted to know.


Okay, rewatching the ep on tape and I picked up on bit of dialogue that has me frowning...

The bits of jewelry in the box? Teyla IDs a ring in it as belonging to Halling. Is Halling dead? Turned into wraith/human hybrid zomie like Kanaan?

Not good for us Chris Hyerdahl (sp?) fans, cuz as much as I like Todd, I gave my heart to Halling first...

ladyjanus

Good question. I don't think he's dead, but I think it's possible he's been turned into a hybrid (that we'll probably never see since won't that be confusing with Todd around). My guess is that he isn't a hybrid. I think Kanaan might be the only one due to the Wraith DNA he already carried.


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Lorne was just too cute talking about the flea market and his guilt at losing Teyla.

Did Lorne say he was from the Bay area? I knew we were supposed to find out where he was from this season. I guessed Seattle. Oh well. San Francisco isn't too far from there.


Hey there people! First post here. I gotta say, I loved this ep. I think my favorite part was Teyla hitting that guy in the face with that huge stick. She may waddle to and fro, but she'll still kick your butt.

Also, I couldn't help but notice, near the end there, when Sheppard turned that guy that was on the floor over, he told Sheppard that he was 'too early'...

Does anything think that might be a plot point for the next couple eps? Particularly The Last Man, having to do with time travel?

Welcome! To your bolded statement - Sheppard asked where his boss was and his answer was that they were too early. Then the hive ship arrives and starts firing on Daedalus. Michael was returning with Teyla and the team arrived before they got there.


I Michael has plans for Teyla's child? Is that because of the strong wraith DNA link? Because now we know Kanaan has the wraith DNA too? Thus the baby has a double dose? Or has Michael interfered/intervened more than we know?

I can't figure out when Michael would have "interfered" with Teyla. Her pregnancy has occurred somewhere in S4. She was 3 months pregnant in BAMSR and we know from The Seer (which was before BAMSR) that 3 months had passed between Reunion and The Seer.

Could he have snatched her sometime between Lifeline and Missing while she was on Athos? I guess so, but one would think somebody might have noticed especially since she and Kanaan can sense the presence of Wraith (which I of course am assuming Michael still projects).

dasNdanger
February 23rd, 2008, 07:02 AM
I think CH makes a better villain. I'm not saying he was bad as Halling because he was good in that role (and the one on SG-1 too) but the way he plays Todd is awesome.

Yes - he has a very powerful presence, and does the whole shady 'used car salesman' thing very well :p ...so he comes across so much better as the allied enemy, Todd, than he did as the gentle giant, Halling. Halling was good, but totally underused (I loved the scene in the third episode, I think, where Halling tells his son that he loves him - very tender moment. THAT was a great scene, but 'Halling' wasn't given much else to work with after that).

I just hope the writers/PTB continue to use him, and perhaps flesh out his role in the SGA universe a bit more. We've seen him make deals - and I'm fine with him continuing to make deals in the future - but I am REALLY ready to see Todd completely in his element. Got a little taste of it in this episode with him being much more confident on his home turf (until Ronon said they were there to kill him...lol. ). Would love to see more of that - perhaps the SGA team hitching a ride with Todd's hive, and Todd ordering them around for a change - the whole, 'You're in MY world now - you do as I say!' thing. Just want to see him pointing the guns for a change, I suppose.

Oh, and about Ronon and his little 'we're here to kill you' remark...can't you just hear the convo on the jumper ride home?

Ronon (pleased grin): "And did ya see the LOOK on his face when I said we were there to kill 'im??! I totally punked 'im!"

:p


das

runnerX
February 23rd, 2008, 07:07 AM
the trailer for this episode mentioned reps, I don't see any replicators in this episode
Yep i'm confused too. We don't see any replicators. In the trailer they said "replicator trap" so it could be just an expression.
And wraith not feeding on humans anymore. They still need to eat something. Do they consume normal food now?

The_Carpenter
February 23rd, 2008, 07:10 AM
Yep i'm confused too. We don't see any replicators. In the trailer they said "replicator trap" so it could be just an expression.
And wraith not feeding on humans anymore. They still need to eat something. Do they consume normal food now?

Seeing as how it was the retro virus that made them that little bit more human I would assume they eat what we eat!

edit- opps misread your post thought you meant Michaels new creations.

As for the normal Wraith I imagine they still have to eat humans but its like Russian roulette unless Todd can devise a cure

Myles
February 23rd, 2008, 07:12 AM
Yep i'm confused too. We don't see any replicators. In the trailer they said "replicator trap" so it could be just an expression.
And wraith not feeding on humans anymore. They still need to eat something. Do they consume normal food now?

Sci Fi screwed up, that's what happened. They made a horrible choice by deciding to give away the ending and then plain ol screwed up in saying replicators set the trap.

runnerX
February 23rd, 2008, 07:28 AM
Sci Fi screwed up, that's what happened. They made a horrible choice by deciding to give away the ending and then plain ol screwed up in saying replicators set the trap.
To bad they didn't do it like be all my sins remebered. They gave away the biggest spoiler for the episode. No wonder no one was surprised with the ending.

ShadowMaat
February 23rd, 2008, 07:32 AM
I found it predictable and a bit draggy. Teyla had "visions" and of course no one believed her. Ho hum. She goes off and finds nothing. Yawn. More visions, increasing disbelief, and a return to the planet. *sigh* Maybe she should have gone with Lorne the first time, since she had better luck with him. ;) I always like seeing Lorne, even if he isn't given a lot to do. The stuff with the trader was kinda fun, although after that "do-gooders" line I really wanted Lorne to shoot him in the kneecap.

The trader didn't ring true to me. His language seemed a little too advanced and his dialogue felt off, so no real surprise that he wound up being part of a set-up, although really, it wouldn't have been a surprise either way. :rolleyes:

I think there was a scene snipped from that round table discussion on the "plague." Keller was talking and the camera closes in on Rodney, he starts to open his mouth and WHAM! Cut to Carter, asking a question. Either they snipped something, changed the order of questions or the scissors man made a bad call.

Would I still say the ep was slow and draggy if I hadn't known about Carson's appearance at the end? Yes. I'm all for a slow build, but this felt less like a gradual uptick in suspense and more like TPTB wasting our time so they could wow us with the last act. I'm glad that so many were happy to see Carson again and I think the reaction shots were pretty good, but personally I still think they should have left well enough alone and allowed Carson to stay dead and buried. Haven't decided if I'll tune in for part 2 or not. I have a feeling I'm not going to like the direction they go with the character, now that they've brought him back.

runnerX
February 23rd, 2008, 07:40 AM
Seeing as how it was the retro virus that made them that little bit more human I would assume they eat what we eat!

edit- opps misread your post thought you meant Michaels new creations.

As for the normal Wraith I imagine they still have to eat humans but its like Russian roulette unless Todd can devise a cure
Unleass they all get the retro virus and don't need to feed on humans anymore. Voila! This is how an enemy is destroyed. :P

Heaven
February 23rd, 2008, 07:42 AM
... *yawn* ...

possibly the most bland episode ever

SG13-NightOps
February 23rd, 2008, 07:43 AM
Sci Fi screwed up, that's what happened. They made a horrible choice by deciding to give away the ending and then plain ol screwed up in saying replicators set the trap.

This is why I am grateful I am an Aussie. I just don't watch the trailers on youtube and its all good. So Jack popping up in 200 was an actual surprise for me - although I managed to stay spoiler free for S10, which was an achievement of mammoth proportions. But - I digress.

A) I hate TBC.
B) I hate TBC popping up 10 seconds after the really really good part.
C) I hate people saying "x amount of episodes" when any of them are 10 second appearances that consist of one line.... especially when it is followed by TBC.

A bit rushed, and agree with above that cutting out some of the fillers and replace them with decent arc-ige would rock immensely. I used to scream about that in S10 of Stargate. LAST SEASON! EVER! And... so many fillers.

Anyway - Kannan was not what I expected, although I have no idea why I expected a pretty boy - maybe it is just what I am used to seeing. Then of course, he is useless to her now - unless Beckett made some kind of cure for whatever Michael did.

Do like the new Uber-Wraith idea. Way more than the Giant Alien bugmen. I guess all the Athosians are uber-wraiths now?

One more week of Atlantis to go (for me - I hate TBC THAT MUCH that I actually avoid watching season ending cliffhangers until close to the release of the next season - unless it is simply too awesome for words, like First Strike), then I have to go and find something else to watch. Yet another mean feat.

*clings to Atlantis* PLEASE DONT LEAVE ME :(

runnerX
February 23rd, 2008, 07:49 AM
Oh, how can the Deadlus totally pwn replicator ships in about 6 seconds but not so much with one wraith hive?
Actually it was a wraith cruiser. An even easier target than a hive.

Starxgate
February 23rd, 2008, 08:04 AM
It was great seeing Lorne in action leading his team ;)

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:05 AM
Actually it was a wraith cruiser. An even easier target than a hive.

We cannot fault Caldwell and his officer. They were under strict orders from Sheppard. They tried to target it without doing to much damage. They tried to graze the engines but missed. The plasma weapons could cut the cruiser like a knife through butter :P. I fail to see why people diss the Dedy. They took a gamble in order to save Teyla.

ShadowMaat
February 23rd, 2008, 08:11 AM
What happened to Capt. Kleinman? Was he replaced by that lady next to Caldwell or did the attack just happen in his off shift? ;)

ToasterOnFire
February 23rd, 2008, 08:18 AM
OMG, what a terrible chaos!

I mean, it was good episode but...why do they have to give everything to one episode? If they skipped Harmony, Quarantine and Trio and did the actual so called story-arc, it would have been much better.
I'll agree with that. I found the first third of this ep rather slow and boring. I think it would have been better if they had introduced the mysterious plague and Teyla's visions into any of the inane filler eps preceding this one. That way they could have started the ep with Teyla leaving to the market and Shep et al. learning that Todd was contacting them and ran from there.

That said, I always enjoy seeing Todd and Michael did not disappoint. Wish I could be excited about seeing Carson, but since he's likely either a clone or repliclone it's just not as gripping.

A decent ep after that huge run of fillers. Nothing spectacular, but my standards are substantially down after that crap.

Plus, I also saw Teyla's deep cut outfit as blatant pandering. And that's coming from someone who's had no problem with her outfits in the past seasons. It's like they were trying way to hard to say "Yeah she's pregnant but she's still HAWT!" No duh, tone it down guys. :mckay:

AGateFan
February 23rd, 2008, 08:19 AM
We cannot fault Caldwell and his officer. They were under strict orders from Sheppard. They tried to target it without doing to much damage. They tried to graze the engines but missed. The plasma weapons could cut the cruiser like a knife through butter :P. I fail to see why people diss the Dedy. They took a gamble in order to save Teyla.
The point wasnt that they werent able to disable it after Shep told them to hold fire. The point was that based on how quickely and with great ease they took out repicator ships they should have already blown it out of the sky before Shep could tell them to hold fire. It should not have been that difficult a fight.

EDIT: Plus Shep cant give Caldwell strick orders, just suggestions which Caldwell is free to ignore in order to protect his ship. Caldwell outranks Shep.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:20 AM
I'll agree with that. I found the first third of this ep rather slow and boring. I think it would have been better if they had introduced the mysterious plague and Teyla's visions into any of the inane filler eps preceding this one. That way they could have started the ep with Teyla leaving to the market and Shep et al. learning that Todd was contacting them and ran from there.

That said, I always enjoy seeing Todd and Michael did not disappoint. Wish I could be excited about seeing Carson, but since he's likely either a clone or repliclone it's just not as gripping.

A decent ep after that huge run of fillers. Nothing spectacular, but my standards are substantially down after that crap.

Plus, I also saw Teyla's deep cut outfit as blatant pandering. And that's coming from someone who's had no problem with her outfits in the past seasons. It's like they were trying way to hard to say "Yeah she's pregnant but she's still HAWT!" No duh, tone it down guys. :mckay:


She looks like a football yet she is dressed in such a manner that she has no problems getting in clubs :P

Jonzey
February 23rd, 2008, 08:25 AM
As per the ep being predicatable, when you read spoilers, It's predictable. :p

EXACTLY! I hate when people call something predictable when:
a) they've heard spoilers about it
b) it was given away in the adverts
c) they know someone's gonna be in it cos their name's in the credits

If you didn't know Carson would be back in this ep, and Michael and Todd's names were not in the credits, and you knew nothing about it beforehand, would it be predictable?

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:25 AM
Teyla in skimpy clothes...




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Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 08:27 AM
The point wasnt that they werent able to disable it after Shep told them to hold fire. The point was that based on how quickely and with great ease they took out repicator ships they should have already blown it out of the sky before Shep could tell them to hold fire. It should not have been that difficult a fight.

EDIT: Plus Shep cant give Caldwell strick orders, just suggestions which Caldwell is free to ignore in order to protect his ship. Caldwell outranks Shep.

Yeah but Caldwell has become close with this expedition. Of course he is going to listen to Sheppard's suggestion. He doesn't want to kill Teyla. It not like the deadalus was sustaining heavy damage. Still, a choice would of been made, and I think Caldwell would of focused all energy on the shields rather than weapons to give Sheppard more time.

I think it was very well played. The entire episode was done very well.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:28 AM
EXACTLY! I hate when people call something predictable when:
a) they've heard spoilers about it
b) it was given away in the adverts
c) they know someone's gonna be in it cos their name's in the credits

If you didn't know Carson would be back in this ep, and Michael and Todd's names were not in the credits, and you knew nothing about it beforehand, would it be predictable?

Uhmm...yes.

1. Michael tells Teyla that he cares about her well being. I knew he wanted her baby and I did not read any spoilers on that.
2. Kanaan suddenly appearing in Teyla's visions after all this time. I knew something is wrong and she will see something she does not like. Proof? Kanaan is working with Michael.
3. The hoffan virus is used on random people and hurts all the wraith factions. I knew Todd will play a part in this episode.


Should I go on?


I don't get why Sheppard has the Top Gun approach in the pic I posted above. Is it really that sunny or he has very sensitive eyes, compared to the rest of his crew :P

s09119
February 23rd, 2008, 08:31 AM
Uhmm...yes.

1. Michael tells Teyla that he cares about her well being. I knew he wanted her baby and I did not read any spoilers on that.
2. Kanaan suddenly appearing in Teyla's visions after all this time. I knew something is wrong and she will see something she does not like. Proof? Kanaan is working with Michael.
3. The hoffan virus is used on random people and hurts all the wraith factions. I knew Todd will play a part in this episode.


Should I go on?


I don't get why Sheppard has the Top Gun approach in the pic I posted above. Is it really that sunny or he has very sensitive eyes, compared to the rest of his crew :P

Eh, we've all been so spoiled none of us can say it was predictable...

Anyway, WHY ISN'T IT ON iTUNES YET!?!?!?!?!? ARG!

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:34 AM
Eh, we've all been so spoiled none of us can say it was predictable...

Anyway, WHY ISN'T IT ON iTUNES YET!?!?!?!?!? ARG!


Since Missing I stay away from spoilers. SGA does not interest me anymore and the only reason keeping me in front of the telly is perseverance. I finish what I start. After the last S4 episode airs, I will stop watching this hezmana :P

s09119
February 23rd, 2008, 08:39 AM
Since Missing I stay away from spoilers. SGA does not interest me anymore and the only reason keeping me in front of the telly is perseverance. I finish what I start. After the last S4 episode airs, I will stop watching this hezmana :P

Blasphemy :eek:

pisces27
February 23rd, 2008, 08:44 AM
I've been trying to stay away from spoilers as much as possible and by doing so I've enjoyed the eps much more, However, I'm really pissed at Scifi's ads for this, saying you won't believe what happens in the last 5 mins and then they show Carson. WTG Scifi.

I liked it, it was a good storyline, tying up a few loose ends, opening up new ones. I love the Hoffan connection.

Rodney trying to brainwash the baby...that man's ego is just unbelievable

Michael looked good, more human like. No more feeding for him? Give that wraith a steak! I wonder what plans he has for the baby. The baby has wraith DNA from both parents. Hmmmmm. I've always suspected Michael has a thing for Teyla.

Kanaan was creepy. Is he a wraith worshipper now or a hybrid? Poor Teyla. I kept waiting for her to go into labor.

Todd was so cool. I love the bits of snark between him and Shep. He has always intrigued me as has Michael.

I still can't figure out Carson. Is he a replicator, or just a clone or the real deal. Who really was killed in Sunday ? JM said in his blog it was the real Carson. Is Carson evil now? I want it to be next Friday!

I give it 8/10

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 08:50 AM
Yup, exactly. I laugh when people say it was predictable, Um hello the folks here read the spoilers and even saw the promo with the huge spoiler. :rolleyes:


How can you know what I read and what I don't? Apart from the fact that I knew Michael will appear I knew nothing. SGA does not interest me anymore. A bit out of place to presume that you know what people do.

Sweetsong
February 23rd, 2008, 08:50 AM
I'll have to say it was nice to see the entire team again go offworld, even if they weren't technically on a mission and Teyla was not carrying a gun.

I've missed the team as other people on here have expressed as well, I don't remember the last episode we saw them all go on a mission together. It's been so long, heh.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 09:02 AM
- You knew Michael was there so you knew his crazy experiments must be involved.

I was expecting an army of bugs to invade populated worlds. Did that happen? Nope. So the Michael thing in the promo did not give me any hints. In fact it put me on the wrong track :P


- You knew Beckett would be in it due to the promo, so you must have been thinking how he fits into all this.

Yes, I thought a replicator clone died in Sunday and this is the real Becket. I'll see if I was wrong next week.


- You know a virus is spreading; virus' are usually looked at by Doctors. Beckett is a doctor.

Is Todd a doctor?


- So just from those two things, it's possible to gather than Beckett has something to do with this mysterious illness going around. But Beckett is good, and he wouldn't do that. But Michael hates humans AND Wraith, so maybe he's behind it... but he'd need help; Beckett. See?


Not really. I had no idea and still dont know if Becket is involved. When i saw Todd's desire to find a cure for the virus I automatically thought Michael had something to do with it. But it never crossed my mind that Becket helped him.


All your points were off by a mile.

Starxgate
February 23rd, 2008, 09:05 AM
Not really. I had no idea and still dont know if Becket is involved

We dont know the situation. Obviously knowing Carson he would never agree or willfully do what Michael wants to do but if Michael threatned the lives of some innocent to be killed right in front of Carson because Carson said no to Michael you can bet Carson would cave in & I have no doubt that Carson also would when he gets the chance at the same time try putting a cure together

Cautious Explorer
February 23rd, 2008, 09:07 AM
The invisible love interest finally shows up in a dream/vision and we're supposed to feel Teyla's pain when he turns up as a Wraith experiment? It's kind of hard to relate to invisible characters, like the less-than-moving disappearance of the Athosians who have been invisible already for two seasons now.

I find it strange that Teyla mentions only now her childhood friend who also has the Wraith gene. It never came up when she was wrestling with how to come to terms with its origin, or anxious about how to tell her people. And it never occurred to anyone that having more than one person able to tap into the Wraith mind would be an asset?

Michael, who hates humans for what they've done to him in the past, namely turning him into a human, now wants to be more human. He hates both wraith and humans enough to develop an evil plan to kill them off, but wants to create a mutant army of human/wraith hybrids? And I'm missing the point entirely of eliminating his ability to feed on life force energy. I can understand the usefulness of having an alternative feeding method, as a backup plan, but not doing away with the feeding hand entirely. Are we to understand now that the strength of the wraith has nothing at all to do with feeding on human life force, that it's only a source of basic nutrition?

Overall, it was boring, and made very little sense. I'm glad we're getting Carson back, but it's starting to look more and more like he's going to get the same treatment as Weir. :S

s09119
February 23rd, 2008, 09:09 AM
I was expecting an army of bugs to invade populated worlds. Did that happen? Nope. So the Michael thing in the promo did not give me any hints.

Yes, I thought a replicator clone died in Sunday and this is the real Becket. I'll see if I was wrong next week.

Is Todd a doctor?

Not really. I had no idea and still dont know if Becket is involved. When i saw Todd's desire to find a cure for the virus I automatically thought Michael had something to do with it. But it never crossed my mind that Becket helped him.

All your points were off by a mile.

Not really; my point was to show how someone may get everything from that information, not that you necessarily did. I have no idea how you think, after all.

ShadowMaat
February 23rd, 2008, 09:23 AM
The only spoiler I knew was Carson's return and that wasn't until the very end. Everything leading up to that point still felt overly familiar and too easy to predict.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 09:41 AM
The only spoiler I knew was Carson's return and that wasn't until the very end. Everything leading up to that point still felt overly familiar and too easy to predict.

Maybe the will believe you because they do not believe me. I had an Andromeda and Farscape marathon so I had no clue what is going on with SGA. I expected Becket to appear in that episode on Earth with the replicator running free :P

mudbloodpotter
February 23rd, 2008, 09:42 AM
Well to be honest I did like the episode and only have one thing to say..................this is my own opinion mind you but I could not help thinking it in this ep............................

that the baby is not kanhans' it has to be

Michaels.................:teyla26:

i knwo i could be very wrong. but how do you explain him being able to contact her that far away?

also my favorite person, carson beckett has been put on reaccuring status in season five. I think that the reason for this is he is a replicator and he will be doing what tori higgins was supposed to be doing before she dropped out.

again this is a sad day for us all.:daniel:

Pharaoh Atem
February 23rd, 2008, 09:59 AM
big up to who ever used the piano theme from season 5 sg1 .....so perfect

FoolishPleasure
February 23rd, 2008, 10:20 AM
I was watching this and scratching my head. I got confused for a bit. It is Daniel and Teyla? Sha're and Kanan? Wait, its Teyla and Sha're! And Kanan is missing! No. . . its Sha're who went missing! No, wrong again, no, its. . .wait, Sha're was pregnant, but turns out it isn't Daniel's baby, and the evil mastermind kidnaps her and the baby is. . ., no, um, its Teyla is pregnant by Kanan, but. . .no. . .maybe it isn't Kanan. . . maybe the real daddy is the evil mastermind who has kidnapped her, and. . . . . the baby is SPECIAL! No, that was Sha're's baby who was SPECIAL! No, um, uh, WAIT, its Teyla's baby who is SPECIAL! But the Wraith took the Abydonians. . .I think., . .or the Ancients took the Athosians, or maybe the Abydonians took the Athosians, or maybe they all went camping together???

Oh, my head hurts.

At least this was better than the crapfest trilogy known as Trio/Quarantine/Harmony, except for the twist ending that Skiffy ruined in their bazillion commercials broadcast all over the place.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 10:23 AM
I was watching this and scratching my head. I got confused for a bit. It is Daniel and Teyla? Sha're and Kanan? Wait, its Teyla and Sha're! And Kanan is missing! No. . . its Sha're who went missing! No, wrong again, no, its. . .wait, Sha're was pregnant, but turns out it isn't Daniel's baby, and the evil mastermind kidnaps her and the baby is. . ., no, um, its Teyla is pregnant by Kanan, but. . .no. . .maybe it isn't Kanan. . . maybe the real daddy is the evil mastermind who has kidnapped her, and. . . . . the baby is SPECIAL! No, that was Sha're's baby who was SPECIAL! No, um, uh, WAIT, its Teyla's baby who is SPECIAL! But the Wraith took the Abydonians. . .I think., . .or the Ancients took the Athosians, or maybe the Abydonians took the Athosians, or maybe they all went camping together???

Oh, my head hurts.

At least this was better than the crapfest trilogy known as Trio/Quarantine/Harmony, except for the twist ending that Skiffy ruined in their bazillion commercials broadcast all over the place.


So smooth yet so to the point ;)


***green for you my friend :)****

ShadowMaat
February 23rd, 2008, 10:30 AM
Maybe the will believe you because they do not believe me.
Meh. Probably not, but it doesn't really matter. We know we didn't know. :D

This is actually the first ep I've seen since Doppelganger. I saw Lorne in the previews and I knew they were doing the Big Reveal with Carson and since the Psych finale was last week I had nothing better to do with my time and was bored enough to see if the show was as bad as I remember. ;) The ep wasn't cringe-worthy, but I don't think it was very good, either. The dialogue felt clunky in places, and not just that trader dude's. The story seemed awkwardly strung together as well and designed to pass time without accomplishing much.

IMO, what Teyla should have done was gone to Shep or Sam and said, "Hey look, I know you guys are kinda busy right now, but I've had a vision of Kanaan. I haven't mentioned it before, but he and I are a lot alike; we both have Wraith DNA and I think he may be trying to contact me the way I've contacted the Wraith. Is it okay if I go to this planet he mentioned and see what I can find?" And, since Teyla has proven herself time and again over the years, they should damn well believe her and let her go without the "It's probably nothing, so don't waste too much of our time, Mamacita" attitude. Let her go on her own or send a team with her, but have a little faith in one of the members of your primary team.

Clem
February 23rd, 2008, 10:42 AM
I think i ruined the episode for myself with the knowledge that Carson was coming back. I'd psyched myself up for a big Carson story that revolved around his resurrection, but in this half of the story all he got was one line and the rest was bloody Teyla.

The whole premise just fell on it's ass when they decided to base it around Teyla's search for a character who is so dull and uninteresting, they never bothered introducing him to us. The guy is a walking plot device, of course bad things will happen to him, leading to his eventual death, probably in a huge sacrificial explosion he sets off because he loathes what he's become.

I wanted more Carson damn it...

shep45
February 23rd, 2008, 10:58 AM
damn nice way to end an episode, i just love it....... have to be one of the best ever :cameron:

Carson is back!!!

MerryK
February 23rd, 2008, 10:59 AM
Perhaps not the most tense episode (but hello, it's part 1 of a two parter), but I really enjoyed the character development. I was just watching some S1 episodes of SGA, and I have to admit...I think we've seen more character development from these characters than the equivalent four seasons on SG-1 (which I've been watching through from the beginning over the past couple months). That bit with Rodney and Teyla? My God, he has some tact now! Arrogant still, wimpy still, but what growth! It's not so obvious or easy to explain in the other characters, but there's something about them that feels more mature, more homogenized as a team.

Kanaan was a bit dull, but Teyla's concern was enough for me. I'm probably the only one who likes Teyla's pregnancy, so I am loving the twists her arc is taking. It's all woven together nicely.

kaenna
February 23rd, 2008, 11:24 AM
Is anyone else wondering if Kanaan really is the Baby-daddy? Michael was acting pretty paternal...

Pharaoh Atem
February 23rd, 2008, 11:33 AM
Is anyone else wondering if Kanaan really is the Baby-daddy? Michael was acting pretty paternal...

i think Micheal used Kanaan to get to teyla

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 11:35 AM
i think Micheal used Kanaan to get to teyla

I definatly agree with that but Micheal being the father makes no sense considering the last time he was around Teyla.

SGFerrit
February 23rd, 2008, 11:39 AM
Kanaan was a bit dull, but Teyla's concern was enough for me. I'm probably the only one who likes Teyla's pregnancy, so I am loving the twists her arc is taking. It's all woven together nicely.

No, you aren't:)

Rachel has come in for quite a bit of flak here for her performance in last night's ep... Frankly, I really can't see why. I think she is fantastic when they give her something juicy to do.

sueKay
February 23rd, 2008, 11:43 AM
loved, loved, loved, loved LOVED LOVED LOVED KINDRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 11:45 AM
After weeks of anticipation for the return of Carson it finally arrives. Did it meet my expectations. Unfortunately no. It surpassed them! Wow what a great ep! I Rachel was absolutely superb in this! She played this on all cylinders. I knew that Michael was responsible for the disappearance of the Athosians but the twist of creating Hybrid Wraith was a nice touch. Michael now not needing to feed was a very sweet touch. I suspected that he was the one that was sending Teyla the visions but his intentions surprised the hell out of me. I wondered for weeks why the pics of Michael were a bit off now I know. He looks more human because he is. More human than Wraith now. The Hoffan drug was a very interesting and unsuspected touch. Carter was very good in this one. She truly fits in nicely. Carson's appearance was also done very well. This definatly was worth the wait. My only complaints are that scifi had to stick the ads in there an two we have to wait a week to see the conclusion. As to the spoiler about the reps being involved that was a scifi screwup. AFAIK they are not involved. This ep was perfect. 10/10
Oh an I have seen people state things about the promo for next week and all I have to sy is what promo? Scifi didn't air one during the credits.

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 11:48 AM
No, you aren't:)

Rachel has come in for quite a bit of flak here for her performance in last night's ep... Frankly, I really can't see why. I think she is fantastic when they give her something juicy to do.
I agree but I'm not surprised that she is getting alot of flak. The hardcore Carson fans surely didn't want anything in this ep that didn't revolve around Carson.

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 11:49 AM
After weeks of anticipation for the return of Carson it finally arrives. Did it meet my expectations. Unfortunately no. It surpassed them! Wow what a great ep! I Rachel was absolutely superb in this! She played this on all cylinders. I knew that Michael was responsible for the disappearance of the Athosians but the twist of creating Hybrid Wraith was a nice touch. Michael now not needing to feed was a very sweet touch. I suspected that he was the one that was sending Teyla the visions but his intentions surprised the hell out of me. I wondered for weeks why the pics of Michael were a bit off now I know. He looks more human because he is. More human than Wraith now. The Hoffan drug was a very interesting and unsuspected touch. Carter was very good in this one. She truly fits in nicely. Carson's appearance was also done very well. This definatly was worth the wait. My only complaints are that scifi had to stick the ads in there an two we have to wait a week to see the conclusion. As to the spoiler about the reps being involved that was a scifi screwup. AFAIK they are not involved. This ep was perfect. 10/10
Oh an I have seen people state things about the promo for next week and all I have to sy is what promo? Scifi didn't air one during the credits.

Yeah most of the fans seemed to be praising this episode. I think even with the spoiler in the promo, the anticipation was just great. A great episode and I cannot wait for next week! :)

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 11:50 AM
No, you aren't:)

Rachel has come in for quite a bit of flak here for her performance in last night's ep... Frankly, I really can't see why. I think she is fantastic when they give her something juicy to do.

I gotta say, I truly love where they are taking this. Teyla's performance was real and when she is screaming for Michael to get answers, then the hybrid Kanaan appears! WOW! That truly sold the episode right there. Carson just sealed the deal! :p

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 11:53 AM
Yeah most of the fans seemed to be praising this episode. I think even with the spoiler in the promo, the anticipation was just great. A great episode and I cannot wait for next week! :)

Same here.

Integrabyte
February 23rd, 2008, 11:54 AM
I definatly agree with that but Micheal being the father makes no sense considering the last time he was around Teyla.

But wait, it is Sci-Fi. We never know :P.

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 11:55 AM
I gotta say, I truly love where they are taking this. Teyla's performance was real and when she is screaming for Michael to get answers, then the hybrid Kanaan appears! WOW! That truly sold the episode right there. Carson just sealed the deal! :p
Agreed. The Teyla storyline was done very well and it really worked with the combination of the Carson story.

SGFerrit
February 23rd, 2008, 11:56 AM
loved, loved, loved, loved LOVED LOVED LOVED KINDRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

My sentiments exactly:)


I agree but I'm not surprised that she is getting alot of flak. The hardcore Carson fans surely didn't want anything in this ep that didn't revolve around Carson.

I don't even think its the Carson fans...

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 11:57 AM
After weeks of anticipation for the return of Carson it finally arrives. Did it meet my expectations. Unfortunately no. It surpassed them! Wow what a great ep! I Rachel was absolutely superb in this! She played this on all cylinders. I knew that Michael was responsible for the disappearance of the Athosians but the twist of creating Hybrid Wraith was a nice touch. Michael now not needing to feed was a very sweet touch. I suspected that he was the one that was sending Teyla the visions but his intentions surprised the hell out of me. I wondered for weeks why the pics of Michael were a bit off now I know. He looks more human because he is. More human than Wraith now. The Hoffan drug was a very interesting and unsuspected touch. Carter was very good in this one. She truly fits in nicely. Carson's appearance was also done very well. This definatly was worth the wait. My only complaints are that scifi had to stick the ads in there an two we have to wait a week to see the conclusion. As to the spoiler about the reps being involved that was a scifi screwup. AFAIK they are not involved. This ep was perfect. 10/10
Oh an I have seen people state things about the promo for next week and all I have to sy is what promo? Scifi didn't air one during the credits.

What SciFI channal were you watching. I saw a promo for Pt II.

jackattack
February 23rd, 2008, 11:58 AM
I have to say it was a great episode! :)
It had such a great feel (even if you read the spoilers) of tension and how something wasn't quite right even though you couldn't put your finger on it, and the whole show revolved around that in an absolutely masterful way. Also, it was fantastic to see Michael back! He was EXTREMELY commanding this episode, and is truly one of the most terrifying villains on TV in my view, just because when you see him interact with the Atlantis team, you basically see the most twisted, disgusting manifestation of a mistake that they created. And finally, the last five minutes were just amazing. That whole firefight had you just on the edge of you seat waiting in anticipation. And then the great line about what exactly the guards were guarding, backed up by the fantastic camera work and music made Carson's reveal just amazing. For that alone, 10/10.

SGFerrit
February 23rd, 2008, 12:00 PM
I gotta say, I truly love where they are taking this. Teyla's performance was real and when she is screaming for Michael to get answers, then the hybrid Kanaan appears! WOW! That truly sold the episode right there. Carson just sealed the deal! :p

IMO, Carson's reveal was the worst part about the episode, for one reason:

We had already seen it, months before:(

Sci Fi put it in Promo's ages ago for the second half of the season, and although I thought it was cool at the time, it ruined the reveal for me. And then they reapeated that in the Kindred Part I trailer:S

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 12:03 PM
Agreed. The Teyla storyline was done very well and it really worked with the combination of the Carson story.

Just to point out some clever writing. They took an old episode. In fact they took the first episode where Carson was the main focus and truly shined in "Poisoning the Well". They then took the Michael story arc, wrapped around the return of Carson, and Teyla pregnancy. They took the show smoothed out the rough edges and all the pieces fit into place very well.

Some other clever writing I noticed was how Todd had nothing to do with Midway. Atlantis stole info from Todd's computer to find the location of the clone facility where they clone the wraith. They later destroyed it. So, wraith got info from Todd's computer and datebase that he stole but did not intend to use it for himself. I just loved how they tied in those eps together to give an explanation of why and how the attack of Midway was executed.

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 12:04 PM
IMO, Carson's reveal was the worst part about the episode, for one reason:

We had already seen it, months before:(

Sci Fi put it in Promo's ages ago for the second half of the season, and although I thought it was cool at the time, it ruined the reveal for me. And then they reapeated that in the Kindred Part I trailer:S

Well yeah but it's not the producer's or writer's fault. The network screwed up with this. As per Carson sealing the deal, I mean he returned basically.

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:04 PM
What SciFI channal were you watching. I saw a promo for Pt II.

Scifi HD on directv. There was no promo aired. If you have a link please post it.

Nicksterr
February 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM
So Carson was the "help" Michael referred to.

About Michael's cruiser...I thought the Daedalus had a hard time stacking up to a Wraith cruiser or hive...but it was able to damage it so easily? Was that because of the shield algorithm Rodney made when he was ascending or the Asgard beam weapon? Both maybe?

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM
Scifi HD on directv. There was no promo aired. If you have a link please post it.

You are right. There was no promo, I thought it was on purpose, but HD did not air a promo. I did see it today on SCI FI. It is mainly all about Carson, cannot wait! :p

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:09 PM
Well yeah but it's not the producer's or writer's fault. The network screwed up with this. As per Carson sealing the deal, I mean he returned basically.

Even without the promo I knew this would happen since I am here almost every day. Still my parrents don't and they come over every week to watch in glorious hd and missed last week. SO we watched last weeks prior to Kindred and I quickly changed the channel when the credits came on so they wouldn't be spoiled. When the episode was over I told them what they did and they couldn't believe they were that stupid.

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 12:09 PM
You are right. There was no promo, I thought it was on purpose, but HD did not air a promo. I did see it today on SCI FI. It is mainly all about Carson, cannot wait! :p

All I know is that I saw a promo for next weeks episode but I don't have HD. Colleges are cheap.:mckay:

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:10 PM
You are right. There was no promo, I thought it was on purpose, but HD did not air a promo. I did see it today on SCI FI. It is mainly all about Carson, cannot wait! :p

Phew I thought I was loosing my mind.;) If you find a link would you mind posting it?

Nicksterr
February 23rd, 2008, 12:11 PM
Phew I thought I was loosing my mind.;) If you find a link would you mind posting it?

stargate.mgm.com/atlantis

watch the promo you can't miss it.

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 12:16 PM
I have to warn folks about the MGM promo. First SCI FI screwed up, now it's MGM's turn. There is a major major spoiler in the MGM promo, so use caution!

dosed150
February 23rd, 2008, 12:18 PM
So Carson was the "help" Michael referred to.

About Michael's cruiser...I thought the Daedalus had a hard time stacking up to a Wraith cruiser or hive...but it was able to damage it so easily? Was that because of the shield algorithm Rodney made when he was ascending or the Asgard beam weapon? Both maybe?

a wraith hive maybe but i thought its long been established wraith cruisers are really weak

Callie
February 23rd, 2008, 12:19 PM
I loved the 'full circle' feel with Carson's first words being, "It's about (bloody) time," because they were the same words said by Ernest Littlefield when SG-1 finally rescued him in Torment of Tantalus. The younger Ernest was, of course, played by Paul McGillion.

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:20 PM
stargate.mgm.com/atlantis

watch the promo you can't miss it.

Thanks alot!*rushes to time machine*;)

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 12:21 PM
I have to warn folks about the MGM promo. First SCI FI screwed up, now it's MGM's turn. There is a major major spoiler in the MGM promo, so use caution!

There is? I didn't see anything that I didn't already know.

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
There is? I didn't see anything that I didn't already know.

I am talking about the people who have not read any spoilers yet. :)

wheresmyfroggy
February 23rd, 2008, 01:04 PM
I have to warn folks about the MGM promo. First SCI FI screwed up, now it's MGM's turn. There is a major major spoiler in the MGM promo, so use caution!

I don't see anything particularly spoilery in there...

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 01:08 PM
I am talking about the people who have not read any spoilers yet. :)

*gasp* How can there be such a person?!;)

Admiral Mappalazarou
February 23rd, 2008, 01:21 PM
Good episode overall. Although the Teyla scenes were somewhat predictable, and I wish I didn't know about Beckett's return. The surprise for that last scene would have been remarkable.

I enjoyed the gag McKay came out with in the beginning to make Teyla's baby smarter, but I thought Michael sounded a little like Adria when he stated that he had plans for Teyla's child. Again, Sam didn't really do anything for some stupid reason. I found Major Lorne's short interrogation to be a bit pointless - perhaps if it was expanded to make the entire scene more interesting, and also maybe add a darker more human side to a familiar character? Connor's acting of Michael seems to have improved from his last appearance - running around a secret underground base with a cape after releasing an army of giant mutant bugs...:mckay: Glad they didn't pick up of that fact.

It wasn't an amazing, mesmerizing piece of science fiction history but it was a decent, not to OTT and cliche'd as many SGA unfortunately are - fun episode.

SGFerrit
February 23rd, 2008, 01:37 PM
Well yeah but it's not the producer's or writer's fault. The network screwed up with this.

Oh yeah I agree, it was totally SciFi's fault for showing us the big reveal. I still can't believe they did it, but I guess they expect it to boost ratings.

Mitchell82
February 23rd, 2008, 01:48 PM
Oh yeah I agree, it was totally SciFi's fault for showing us the big reveal. I still can't believe they did it, but I guess they expect it to boost ratings.

Here is what I think of scifi
http://caps.stargate-atlantis.org/season2/siegeiii/2x01_866.jpg

Willow'sCat
February 23rd, 2008, 02:47 PM
I think there was a scene snipped from that round table discussion on the "plague." Keller was talking and the camera closes in on Rodney, he starts to open his mouth and WHAM! Cut to Carter, asking a question. Either they snipped something, changed the order of questions or the scissors man made a bad call.


Have to say this was the worst edited episode I have had the misfortune of watching, well besides The Tower which had one or two really bad cuts. You could see the bad editing a mile off, was the guy or gal in the booth suffering a hangover that day? :rolleyes::P

wheresmyfroggy
February 23rd, 2008, 03:50 PM
Have to say this was the worst edited episode I have had the misfortune of watching, well besides The Tower which had one or two really bad cuts. You could see the bad editing a mile off, was the guy or gal in the booth suffering a hangover that day? :rolleyes::P

I love your Stewart/Colbert sigs. They make me happy. :)

Cyanica
February 23rd, 2008, 03:57 PM
I think this episode was really good, but to me, the preview on the scfi channel wasn't very good. It let on that repilcators were involved, which they weren't, and I think they should have not put in the last little bit, with carson saying What took so long. It would have been way better to have just found out that in the last five minutes, carson comes back. And yes, I do avoid detailed spoilers.

garhkal
February 23rd, 2008, 04:07 PM
I can't figure out when Michael would have "interfered" with Teyla. Her pregnancy has occurred somewhere in S4. She was 3 months pregnant in BAMSR and we know from The Seer (which was before BAMSR) that 3 months had passed between Reunion and The Seer.

Could he have snatched her sometime between Lifeline and Missing while she was on Athos? I guess so, but one would think somebody might have noticed especially since she and Kanaan can sense the presence of Wraith (which I of course am assuming Michael still projects).

Well, do the Athosian pregnancies last as long as our ones do?? Perhaps theirs is longer and he impregnated her in vengance..


Actually it was a wraith cruiser. An even easier target than a hive.

Not really. They are smaller, so less armed and armored but they are a lot more maneuverable and faster..


Is Todd a doctor?

As we have seen with other groups, just cause one is a scientist does not negate them also knowing medicine..

And since he worked on the Nanite problem to help out Mccays sister, it is imo evident he knows SOMETHING about the body..


I find it strange that Teyla mentions only now her childhood friend who also has the Wraith gene. It never came up when she was wrestling with how to come to terms with its origin, or anxious about how to tell her people. And it never occurred to anyone that having more than one person able to tap into the Wraith mind would be an asset?

I did hate that they gave him the 'wraith sensing gift' too and had NO hinting to it in any other episode...


I loved the 'full circle' feel with Carson's first words being, "It's about (bloody) time," because they were the same words said by Ernest Littlefield when SG-1 finally rescued him in Torment of Tantalus. The younger Ernest was, of course, played by Paul McGillion.

I did not make that connection to Torment of Tantalus... BUT that is a great catch and homage to one of SG1's best early episodes.

AutumnDream
February 23rd, 2008, 04:28 PM
Just to point out some clever writing. They took an old episode. In fact they took the first episode where Carson was the main focus and truly shined in "Poisoning the Well". They then took the Michael story arc, wrapped around the return of Carson, and Teyla pregnancy. They took the show smoothed out the rough edges and all the pieces fit into place very well.

Some other clever writing I noticed was how Todd had nothing to do with Midway. Atlantis stole info from Todd's computer to find the location of the clone facility where they clone the wraith. They later destroyed it. So, wraith got info from Todd's computer and datebase that he stole but did not intend to use it for himself. I just loved how they tied in those eps together to give an explanation of why and how the attack of Midway was executed.

That's not really an example of good writing. They simply connected some dots. They've got like six or seven of them sitting in the writer's room spinning ideas and adding their input, it would not have been hard for a half dozen individuals who are (supposedly) intimately familiar with the franchise to draw some lines between various past episodes.

Zelos
February 23rd, 2008, 04:39 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Yes yes it was predictable but then again I had read every spoiler under the sun (I just couldn't help myself x_x) so I can't complain.

I sat for the last minute of it going 'carson carson carson, YAAAY!' like the over excitable big kid I am.

Loved the bit with Teyla knocking that man tied into the chair over. Even massively pregnant she's got the fighting spirit! And some Rodney, Teyla interaction! It's about time! I feel those two never get a chance to talk because its always either Ronon or Sheppard hanging around.

Season 4 has made me enjoy the Wraith. I used to hate them in the first couple of seasons because I just found them OTT and cheesy (and not in the fun way). But Todd and Michael? So much love for them!

Its a good thing I'm not pregnant right now because I swear I'd be having freaking nightmares about Michael entering my room and telling me he has plans for my child....

So overall a pretty good episode! A little all over the place though because it was all very back and forth and jumping around but considering how many times I've complained about an episode being slow I really don't think I have the right to complain about one being fast for a change :lol:

Can't wait for part 2.
Is it friday yet?? ;)

Cynycal
February 23rd, 2008, 04:47 PM
I don't know I've never watched any of these previews that they tag on after the episode is done mostly because I don't watch television period, just digital copies of the episodes, but yeah what the hell is a "Skiffy" is that a reference to the actual preview thing or what? very confused

Jumper_One
February 23rd, 2008, 05:04 PM
well I just rewatched the ep and...

CAAAAARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow this might've been the best ep of s4! I loved how they used Sam, how we finally saw a lot of Lorne and his team, Teyla was great and of course Michael! awesome!!! did I forget someone? oh yeah CARSON :D ok so Joe was pulling our leg, Kanaan isn't really dead. I suspected that it would be a dream or a vision of some kind. it was so funny when Rodney handed Teyla the gift with the 'reflections of his more ground breaking work' :P and his reassurance hat it was a vision only to tell Shep a few minutes later that he seriously doubts it was hilarious - classic Rodney. aswell as his 'so it's just a matter of time before they get hungry and cranky. I know I would' :P

I also enjoyed Keller in this ep, she did exactly what she's supposed to do - analyse the virus and not interfere with all the other stuff. also I thought Sam was quite the leader! Lorne...what can I say? we should definitely see more of him. he handled Teyla, the merchant and managed to get some answers from the other guy. well done. we knew Tood was somehow involved. so he wants the cure for his own hive, the poor guy really needs our help. oh and we got an answer concerning the whole Midway destruction, glad the writers didn't forget about that. Michael was awesome! so he's not only interested in Teyla but has big plans for her son. hm interesting...

woohoo Caldwell and the Deadalus :D I'm just curious why they couldn't just destroy the hive? I mean come on our weapons can pretty much kill anything since BAMSR. anyway of course Teyla isn't rescued, that was to be expected. and ah those final 30 seconds! I knew what they were gonna find, still I was so nervous. 'finally, it's about bloody time. what took you so long?' :eek::eek::eek: aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! um yeah... *cough* can't wait for Part 2 :)

10/10

Oka
February 23rd, 2008, 05:14 PM
Decent episode. Didn't really like that it was so teyla centric and there were some parts they could've skipped, and some were predictable. I had no idea that Beckett was returning since I stopped reading these boards (What a blessing) so that was kind of a surprise. I don't know where they're going with that. I don't know why they can't keep people dead in this show. But whatever, after 5 mediocre episodes this episode at least went somewhere.

6/10.

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 05:20 PM
Stargate Atlantis, how do I love thee?
Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth of the Machiavellian plotting in this episode,
and the heigth of Ronon in all his glory (and that his soul can reach).
When I'm feeling out of sorts
for the ends of entertainment and ideal joy
I have thee, Stargate Atlantis, to brighten my week!
For the ends of being ideal TV fare
I love thee to the level of Friday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light, and electricity
I love thee freely, as men strive for right in the Pegasus Galaxy.
I love thee purely, as they turn from praise (mainly from the cursed media critics).
I love thee with the passion put to use to protect Teyla and all whom the Lanteans love and vow to protect.
In my old grief with unfulfilled promise of TV joy (Firefly) , and with my childhood's faith (in Star Trek: The Original Series)
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose (for a few moments)
With the cancellation of Stargate SG1.
I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better during SEASON TEN!

(With all due apologies to Elizabeth Barrett Browning)

And wow! Peter Woeste was back to direct this episode! We missed you Peter!

Morjana

cabouse18
February 23rd, 2008, 05:24 PM
8/10

This was the first ep of the season and in a while where they actually went back and tied up an old storyline and had it made sense with a current one. I think we all knew at some point their involvement with the Hoffans way back when was going to come back and bite them in the ass. So it was nice to see some tie in and seeing Michael is always fun.

There were parts of the ep that could have been left out but overall it was well done. I didn't expect this whole ep to be about Teyla but for it to explain some things; ie the disappearance of her people and who took and them why....those were explained and it also opened up a whole new can of worms. ;)

Can't wait til next week b/c we find out what Michael intends to do with Teyla (at least I hope so ;)) and how exactly Carson is back and what is going on with him.

Barbaro
February 23rd, 2008, 06:02 PM
what the hell is a "Skiffy" is that a reference to the actual preview thing or what? very confused

That's the reference for SciFi channel. I just blame NBC for all that.

prion
February 23rd, 2008, 06:23 PM
Mallozzi put up a whole blog entry devoted to missing scenes, etc. from KINDRED part 1 at

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/february-23-2008-the-kindred-part-1-what-the-hell-was-i-thinking/

excerpt:

“Finally! It’s about bloody time. What took you so long?”

Like I said - way back when, before we even sat down to spin this story, I knew how I wanted Part 1 to end. And if SciFi hadn’t spoiled it in their promo, it would have been perfect.

PG15
February 23rd, 2008, 06:36 PM
HOLY ****.

So I knew that this was going to be the beginning of the cumination of Teyla's story.

I knew Kanaan's funeral pyre was a fake-out.

I knew the Hoffan drug will return.

I knew Michael was going to be involved.

I knew Todd was going to be involved.

And above all, I knew that Carson would return.

And yet...I think, while watching this episode, I registered the fastest heartbeat I've ever had. Seriously, by the last few moments, when I knew Carson would appear, I felt like my heart was going to explode like an exploding tumor out of my chest. It was THAT intense. The promise of a whole year, returned just like that...AWESOME.

Ok, so it was pretty clear that I was overspoiled on this episode, and for good reason. I knew a lot of the twists that were coming up, and which should've floored me if I hadn't read all those comments that I was too weak to avoid. What resulted was a small bit of underwhelm-ment, which was MORE than made up by the ending and the epic moments I didn't expect, namely, the plans of Michael.

This episode was obviously very plot-heavy, and thus didn't really make room for too many character moments. Of course, Rachel's portrayl stands out, given that this is her arc. I thought she did beautifully (while being beautiful; aren't I a fabulous wordsmith?). When she first saw Kanaan in her second dream, her transformation from worry to happiness was instantaneous as she laid eyes on her friend and lover. At once, she seemd to be in her "happy place" as it were, in a dream that cannot be touched by evil. Of course, I gotta give up to the set-dec people, as well as Joel and his crew, for setting the mood of that scene as well. The ethereal lighting mixed with the Lord of the Rings-esque music made it a perfect moment.

The rest of Rachel's portrayl was equally gratifying. Her forceful and...scary "Leave!" at the poor village dude before puttng a knife to the funny shopkeeper's throat; her calm, yet determined declaration to Sam that she will do pretty much anything to get clues on her people; her raw anger at Michael; her speechless horror at seeing Kanaan near the end...this was Teyla emotional-whump on the highest level we've seen, and I loved it. Of course, this all continues next week, so I'm pretty certain they're just getting started!

Speaking of that Sam moment...well, I loved that too! I'm not sure, but I think I understood what JM was going for. Sam and Teyla hadn't had much time together, and thus they lacked the relationship Weir and Teyla had, which was that they were both leaders of their people. In this scene, Teyla's determination seems to finally laid down that relationship between Sam and Teyla, making certain that the former understands her to be another leader just like her, instead of just a member of Shep's team. At the end, Sam tells Teyla to call her Sam, cementing that understanding of them being essentially equals. There were definitely layers there.

Similarily, you gotta love the cute little bit at the beginning between McKay and Teyla. Rodney, as always, was being Rodney to the core. Not only does he try to kill the child with boredom (;)), but he also makes no qualms about trying to get Teyla to tell him her secret ("Oh? What aren't you telling everyone?"). Still, that is basically Rodney being nice, and frankly, it would've been strange seeing him do that, say, a few years ago. But this year...it feels right. Rodney is growing up. :D

Oh, and props to that shopkeeper in Croya. He was hilarious. :D

And even if knew that the Hoffan drug will return, I still have to give it up for the writers on referencing something so early on in the series. Continuity. Hmm...tasty.

Todd. Ok, I'll admit it, he was pretty cool in the past episodes...but thanks to this episode, I've officially became a big fan of his. I love how he delivers his lines so...casually. "Oh, don't mind them, they're just cleaning up". YEAH, THEY'RE CLEANING UP ONE OF YOUR WRAITH BUDDIES! Hahaha. This episode was great for him. Once again, he plays the ally, but always with that ulterior motive that gives him milage for the seasons to come, and please, let those seasons be many!

And then, we have Michael. Connor is a master at this, always has been, and this episode really cemented his role as this crazy, demented, but extremely ambitious, intellegent, and thus dangerous adversary. His initial reveal, done with nearly no lighting, was perfect. All you can really see are his yellow eyes amidst the overwhelming blue of everything else. His calmness was itself unnerving, especially as he delivered those powerful lines, "The extermination of the Wraith"; "I have plans for that child", etc. Epic man, epic. I sincerely hope that this plotline goes a long way (well, obviously they have to stop him killing humans, but still, an army of SuperWraith that don't look tacky like bugs? AWESOME).

I can't help but compare Michael and Todd. The former, perfectly innocent (or as innocent as a Wraith can be), but whom we screwed over and over, and now we've driven him to mass murder and madness. The latter, who we've had to depend on, and who's screwed us at least once perhaps, was treated with almost...gratitude at times. These two really show the extremes of what the team's encounters with the Wraith are like, and how they're just like us in so many ways. Because of our actions, Michael hates us, and Todd see us as potential allies. Like us, if we treat them well enough, they'll return in kind. Same with if we treat them badly. Something to think about.

Finally, we have Carson. Let me once again set the scene for you. McKay's chowing down, Carter comes over to deliver the news that one of our people is being held captive, PG15 realizes that we'll be seeing Carson very very soon, and that the rest of the episode no doubt consists of our heroes shooting around that dank, rusted complex before getting to him. PG's heartbeat increases.

Daedalus comes along, team beams down, shooting continues, Michael arrives, ship battle, Michael leaves, everything calms down...PG's heartbeat reaching Mach 1, everyone looks to the door Lorne is suggesting they check out, PG's hands sweating, unable to speak, heart racing like there's no tomorrow, door is opened tortuously slow...CARSON!!!

CAAAAAAAAAAAARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!

As I said, my heart was about to leap out of my chest; certainly an intense moment, all because I KNEW Carson was about to show up! And that last scene, with shocked looks on all of Shep, Rodney, and Ronon's faces as Carson utters those lines that I rewatched about 10 times afterwards to savor...WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT A BLOODY WEEK FOR MORE OF THIS?!?!?!?!

Phew...all in all, a great episode with one of the most intense endings ever if you knew what was coming up. The Kindred Part 1 begins the cumination of a season that has just been, IMHO, great, and I can't wait to see how this all ends!

Score: 9.5/10 (because of the spoilers!)

cabouse18
February 23rd, 2008, 06:46 PM
HOLY ****.

So I knew that this was going to be the beginning of the cumination of Teyla's story.

I knew Kanaan's funeral pyre was a fake-out.

I knew the Hoffan drug will return.

I knew Michael was going to be involved.

I knew Todd was going to be involved.

And above all, I knew that Carson would return.

And yet...I think, while watching this episode, I registered the fastest heartbeat I've ever had. Seriously, by the last few moments, when I knew Carson would appear, I felt like my heart was going to explode like an exploding tumor out of my chest. It was THAT intense. The promise of a whole year, returned just like that...AWESOME.

Ok, so it was pretty clear that I was overspoiled on this episode, and for good reason. I knew a lot of the twists that were coming up, and which should've floored me if I hadn't read all those comments that I was too weak to avoid. What resulted was a small big of underwhelm-ment, which was MORE than made up by the ending and the epic moments I didn't expect, namely, the plans of Michael.

This episode was obviously very plot-heavy, and thus didn't really make room for too many character moments. Of course, Rachel's portrayl stands out, given that this is her arc. I thought she did beautifully (while being beautiful. Aren't I a fabulous wordsmith?). When she first saw Kanaan in her second dream, her transformation from worry to happiness was instantaneous as she laid eyes on her friend and lover. At once, she seemd to be in her "happy place" as it were, in a dream that cannot be touched by evil. Of course, I gotta give up to the set-dec people, as well as Joel and his crew, for setting the mood of that scene as well. The ethereal lighting mixed with the Lord of the Rings-esque music made it a perfect moment.

The rest of Rachel's portrayl was equally gratifying. Her forceful and...scary "Leave!" at the poor village dude before puttng a knife to the funny shopkeeper's throat; her calm, yet determined declaration to Sam that she will do pretty much everything to get clues on her people; her raw anger at Michael, her speechless horror at seeing Kanaan near the end...this was Teyla emotional-whump on the highest level we've seen, and I loved it. Of course, this all continues next week, so I'm pretty certain they're just getting started!

Speaking of that Sam moment...well, I loved that too! I'm not sure, but I think I understood what JM was going for. Sam and Teyla hadn't had much together, and thus they lacked the relationship Weir and Teyla had, which was that they were both leaders of their people. In this scene, Teyla's determination seems to finally laid down that relationship between Sam and Teyla, making certain that the former understands her to be another leader just like her, instead of just a member of Shep's team. At the end, Sam tells Teyla to call her Sam, cementing that understanding of them being essentially equals. There were definitely layers there.

Similarily, you gotta love the cute little bit at the beginning between McKay and Teyla. Rodney, as always, was being Rodney to the core. Not only does he try to kill the child with boredom (;)), but he also makes no qualms about trying to get Teyla to tell him her secret ("Oh? What aren't you telling everyone?"). Still, that is basically Rodney being nice, and frankly, it would've been strange seeing him do that, say, a few years ago. But this year...it feels right. Rodney is growing up. :D

Oh, and props to that shopkeeper in Croya. He was hilarious. :D

Todd. Ok, I'll admit, it, he was pretty cool in the past episodes...but thanks to this episode, I've officially became a big fan of his. I love how he delivers his lines so...casually. "Oh, don't mind them, they're just cleaning up". YEAH, THEY'RE CLEANING THE WRAITH YOU'VE JUST FED ON! Hahaha. This episode was great for him. Once again, he plays the ally, but always with that ulterior motive that gives him milage for the seasons to come, and please, let those seasons by many!

And then, we have Michael. Connor is a master at this, always has been, and this episode really cemented his role as this crazy, demented, but extremely ambitious, intellegent, and thus dangerous adversary. His initial reveal, done with nearly no lighting, was perfect. All you can really see is his yellow eyes amidst the overwhelming blue of everything else. His calmness was itself unnerving, especially as he delivered those powerful lines, "The extermination of the Wraith"; "I have plans for that child", etc. Epic man, epic. I sincerely hope that this plotline goes a long way (well, obviously they have to stop him killing humans, but still, an army of SuperWraith that don't look tacky like bugs? AWESOME).

I can't help but compare Michael and Todd. The former, perfectly innocent (or as innocent as a Wraith can be), but whom we screwed over and over, and now we've driven him to mass murder and madness. The latter, who we've had to depend on, and who's screwed us at least once perhaps, we are treating with almost...gratitude at times. These two really show the extremes of what the team's encounters with the Wraith are like, and how they're just like us in so many ways. Because of our actions, Michael hates us, and Todd see us as potential allies. Like us, if we treat them well enough, they'll return in kind. Same with if we treat them badly. Something to think about.

Finally, we have Carson. Let me once again set the scene for you. McKay's chowing down, Carter comes over to deliver the news that one our people is being held captive, PG15 realizes that we'll be seeing Carson very very soon, and that the rest of the episode no doubt consists of our heroes shooting around that dank, dangy complex before getting to him. PG's heartbeat increases.

Daedalus comes along, team beams down, shooting continues, Michael arrives, ship battle, Michael leaves, everything calms down...PG's heartbeat reaching Mach 1, everyone looks to the door Lorne is suggesting they check out, hands sweating, unable to speak, heart racing like there's no tomorrow, door is opened tortuously slow...CARSON!!!

CAAAAAAAAAAAARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!

As I said, my heart was about leap out of chest; certainly an intense moment, all because I KNEW Carson was about to show up! And that last scene, with shocked looks on all of Shep, Rodney, and Ronon's faces as Carson utters those lines that I rewatched about 10 times afterwards to savor...WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT A BLOODY WEEK FOR THIS?!?!?!?!

Phew...all in all, a great episode with one of the most intense endings ever if you knew what was coming up. The Kindred Part 1 begins the cumination of a season that has just been, IMHO, great, and I can't wait to see how this all ends!

Score: 9.5/10 (because of the spoilers!)

Awsome Review!! :D

PG15
February 23rd, 2008, 07:00 PM
Thanks!

I just remembered another little moment that made me laugh out loud: Lorne going "I don't give a DAMN about trade secrets" when talking to that trader. Just the way he emphasized DAMN made it hilarious. :D

It was like DAYUM.

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 07:01 PM
HOLY ****.

...The ethereal lighting mixed with the Lord of the Rings-esque music made it a perfect moment....


A Peter Woeste trademark...nice to see Peter back directing an SGA episode!

Lovely comments, PG15, thank you for sharing!

:teyla:

Morjana

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 07:16 PM
HOLY ****.

So I knew that this was going to be the beginning of the cumination of Teyla's story.

I knew Kanaan's funeral pyre was a fake-out.

I knew the Hoffan drug will return.

I knew Michael was going to be involved.

I knew Todd was going to be involved.

And above all, I knew that Carson would return.

And yet...I think, while watching this episode, I registered the fastest heartbeat I've ever had. Seriously, by the last few moments, when I knew Carson would appear, I felt like my heart was going to explode like an exploding tumor out of my chest. It was THAT intense. The promise of a whole year, returned just like that...AWESOME.

Ok, so it was pretty clear that I was overspoiled on this episode, and for good reason. I knew a lot of the twists that were coming up, and which should've floored me if I hadn't read all those comments that I was too weak to avoid. What resulted was a small bit of underwhelm-ment, which was MORE than made up by the ending and the epic moments I didn't expect, namely, the plans of Michael.

This episode was obviously very plot-heavy, and thus didn't really make room for too many character moments. Of course, Rachel's portrayl stands out, given that this is her arc. I thought she did beautifully (while being beautiful; aren't I a fabulous wordsmith?). When she first saw Kanaan in her second dream, her transformation from worry to happiness was instantaneous as she laid eyes on her friend and lover. At once, she seemd to be in her "happy place" as it were, in a dream that cannot be touched by evil. Of course, I gotta give up to the set-dec people, as well as Joel and his crew, for setting the mood of that scene as well. The ethereal lighting mixed with the Lord of the Rings-esque music made it a perfect moment.

The rest of Rachel's portrayl was equally gratifying. Her forceful and...scary "Leave!" at the poor village dude before puttng a knife to the funny shopkeeper's throat; her calm, yet determined declaration to Sam that she will do pretty much anything to get clues on her people; her raw anger at Michael; her speechless horror at seeing Kanaan near the end...this was Teyla emotional-whump on the highest level we've seen, and I loved it. Of course, this all continues next week, so I'm pretty certain they're just getting started!

Speaking of that Sam moment...well, I loved that too! I'm not sure, but I think I understood what JM was going for. Sam and Teyla hadn't had much time together, and thus they lacked the relationship Weir and Teyla had, which was that they were both leaders of their people. In this scene, Teyla's determination seems to finally laid down that relationship between Sam and Teyla, making certain that the former understands her to be another leader just like her, instead of just a member of Shep's team. At the end, Sam tells Teyla to call her Sam, cementing that understanding of them being essentially equals. There were definitely layers there.

Similarily, you gotta love the cute little bit at the beginning between McKay and Teyla. Rodney, as always, was being Rodney to the core. Not only does he try to kill the child with boredom (;)), but he also makes no qualms about trying to get Teyla to tell him her secret ("Oh? What aren't you telling everyone?"). Still, that is basically Rodney being nice, and frankly, it would've been strange seeing him do that, say, a few years ago. But this year...it feels right. Rodney is growing up. :D

Oh, and props to that shopkeeper in Croya. He was hilarious. :D

And even if knew that the Hoffan drug will return, I still have to give it up for the writers on referencing something so early on in the series. Continuity. Hmm...tasty.

Todd. Ok, I'll admit it, he was pretty cool in the past episodes...but thanks to this episode, I've officially became a big fan of his. I love how he delivers his lines so...casually. "Oh, don't mind them, they're just cleaning up". YEAH, THEY'RE CLEANING UP ONE OF YOUR WRAITH BUDDIES! Hahaha. This episode was great for him. Once again, he plays the ally, but always with that ulterior motive that gives him milage for the seasons to come, and please, let those seasons be many!

And then, we have Michael. Connor is a master at this, always has been, and this episode really cemented his role as this crazy, demented, but extremely ambitious, intellegent, and thus dangerous adversary. His initial reveal, done with nearly no lighting, was perfect. All you can really see are his yellow eyes amidst the overwhelming blue of everything else. His calmness was itself unnerving, especially as he delivered those powerful lines, "The extermination of the Wraith"; "I have plans for that child", etc. Epic man, epic. I sincerely hope that this plotline goes a long way (well, obviously they have to stop him killing humans, but still, an army of SuperWraith that don't look tacky like bugs? AWESOME).

I can't help but compare Michael and Todd. The former, perfectly innocent (or as innocent as a Wraith can be), but whom we screwed over and over, and now we've driven him to mass murder and madness. The latter, who we've had to depend on, and who's screwed us at least once perhaps, was treated with almost...gratitude at times. These two really show the extremes of what the team's encounters with the Wraith are like, and how they're just like us in so many ways. Because of our actions, Michael hates us, and Todd see us as potential allies. Like us, if we treat them well enough, they'll return in kind. Same with if we treat them badly. Something to think about.

Finally, we have Carson. Let me once again set the scene for you. McKay's chowing down, Carter comes over to deliver the news that one of our people is being held captive, PG15 realizes that we'll be seeing Carson very very soon, and that the rest of the episode no doubt consists of our heroes shooting around that dank, rusted complex before getting to him. PG's heartbeat increases.

Daedalus comes along, team beams down, shooting continues, Michael arrives, ship battle, Michael leaves, everything calms down...PG's heartbeat reaching Mach 1, everyone looks to the door Lorne is suggesting they check out, PG's hands sweating, unable to speak, heart racing like there's no tomorrow, door is opened tortuously slow...CARSON!!!

CAAAAAAAAAAAARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!

As I said, my heart was about to leap out of my chest; certainly an intense moment, all because I KNEW Carson was about to show up! And that last scene, with shocked looks on all of Shep, Rodney, and Ronon's faces as Carson utters those lines that I rewatched about 10 times afterwards to savor...WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT A BLOODY WEEK FOR MORE OF THIS?!?!?!?!

Phew...all in all, a great episode with one of the most intense endings ever if you knew what was coming up. The Kindred Part 1 begins the cumination of a season that has just been, IMHO, great, and I can't wait to see how this all ends!

Score: 9.5/10 (because of the spoilers!)

:lol:Jelgate wonders why PG15 is talking in third person.

Jumper_One
February 23rd, 2008, 07:22 PM
:lol:Jelgate wonders why PG15 is talking in third person.

hahaha I didn't even notice that :P

Fenrir Foxz
February 23rd, 2008, 07:26 PM
hahaha I didn't even notice that :P

I did, looks like PG15 had gone completely WACKO!!! :P

*too much flocking and togetherness*

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 07:27 PM
Mallozzi put up a whole blog entry devoted to missing scenes, etc. from KINDRED part 1 at

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/february-23-2008-the-kindred-part-1-what-the-hell-was-i-thinking/

excerpt:

“Finally! It’s about bloody time. What took you so long?”

Like I said - way back when, before we even sat down to spin this story, I knew how I wanted Part 1 to end. And if SciFi hadn’t spoiled it in their promo, it would have been perfect.

After what SCI FI did with the Carson Spoiler in the end, the ep better pull in at least a 1.3 to at least match Midway's ratings! :S

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 07:29 PM
:lol:Jelgate wonders why PG15 is talking in third person.

PG15's 1st Person was busy with his 2nd Person?

:O

:eek:

:D

:samanime27:

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 07:32 PM
PG15's 1st Person was busy with his 2nd Person?

:O

:eek:

:D

:samanime27:

LOL! :p

Jumper_One
February 23rd, 2008, 07:33 PM
I did, looks like PG15 had gone completely WACKO!!! :P

*too much flocking and togetherness*

can you blame him? this ep was awesome! CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D


After what SCI FI did with the Carson Spoiler in the end, the ep better pull in at least a 1.3 to at least match Midway's ratings! :S

don't worry dude this ep was amazing, I'm sure enough people were watching especially because of the Carson spoiler. I'm pretty confident that it got at least a 1.3 :)


PG15's 1st Person was busy with his 2nd Person?

:O

:eek:

:D

:samanime27:

:lol:

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 07:34 PM
PG15's 1st Person was busy with his 2nd Person?

:O

:eek:

:D

:samanime27:

morjana that is sick and wrong. I have taught you well

PG15
February 23rd, 2008, 07:35 PM
I was setting the scene! :p

And thanks for the compliments, morjana.

EDIT: Gah! And I take a few moments to post this and you guys go crazy on me! Bad morjana! Bad! :p :D

Briangate78
February 23rd, 2008, 07:40 PM
Thanks!

I just remembered another little moment that made me laugh out loud: Lorne going "I don't give a DAMN about trade secrets" when talking to that trader. Just the way he emphasized DAMN made it hilarious. :D

It was like DAYUM.

I really liked Lorne in this episode. The look on his face when they return after losing Teyla was very dramatic.

Killdeer
February 23rd, 2008, 08:06 PM
This wasn't a bad episode, but it wasn't amazingly awesome either (IMO of course).

I will say the "sweet" Rodney/Teyla scene that I'd been looking forward to all season was a huge disappointment. :( I might have imagined S1 Rodney being that completely egotistical, but I don't expect it from Rodney now. That's not to say I expect him to be a sensitive people person, but this was going a little far, just for the sake of a laugh. And I'm starting to get really irritated about Rodney being used for comic relief this season. The Ronon/Rodney exchange on the way to the village wasn't funny either - that particular joke has been overdone on this show, and Rodney's always the brunt of it.

We did finally get a good scene between Sam and Teyla. And I think Sam has been doing better - she seems like she fits in better here just in the last two to three episodes. It's kind of ironic, and a little sad. :S

I liked Teyla with Lorne's team. I was disappointed that Teyla didn't get any rougher with the prisoner though. Call me bloodthirsty :), but I was really expecting her to hit him at least once. Or something.

And so Carson finally returns! But we all knew that. Overall a pretty predictible episode. Not bad, not great.

MelbournePates
February 23rd, 2008, 08:24 PM
Overall a pretty predictible episode. Not bad, not great.

I thought it was a great episode, and maybe because i refuse to read spoilers i didn't think it was that predictable. My initial instincts for the cause of the mass murder was the Genii, mainly because they always seem to have a death or glory approach. For me Micheal's re-introduction was excellent.

Welcome back Carson, we missed you so!:beckett:

Jeyla4ever
February 23rd, 2008, 08:36 PM
I read spoilers for this episode and really, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT!

I was a bit dissapointed in some things, but overall it was So Packed!!!!

I think the writers really tried to put too much into this episode that it was rushed, but it was full of interesting scenarios and twists all over the place.

Lorne annoyed me in this one....he usually does! That guy almost got away and Lorne is supposed to be a pro at this! If it wasn't for pregnant TEYLA!!!

WOOHOOO! She was AWESOME in this episode. Rachel did a FANTASTIC job with her huge belly and all!

Seeing John so distraught over Teyla...Classic!
And poor Lorne...He almost looked like he didn't want to come back to Atlantis to face John's team! LOL

Yeah, that scene with Rodney/Teyla was really so uncalled for and not right! This isn't the Rodney that we know and I've learned to love.

The whole Todd thing was a bit confusing but I could see how he was brought into the whole thing.

And poor Teyla...gosh, I can't figure out how they are going to end this whole plot for her. So, is the baby a product of Michael's experiment afterall, or is he going to experiment with the baby after it's born. He did say that they're bond will be stronger after the baby is born, so that threw me off a bit. And Kanan....I don't know what to think of him. At first I wanted to hate him, then I finally came to at least give him the benefit of the doubt and now...Gosh, I think Teyla deserves so much better.

She's going to be so heartbroken....could it be, both baby and daddy are EVIL!!!!

OUCH!

and CARSON! yeah, that scifi...what idiots! That would have been PERFECT had I not known!!!

Overall, one of the best episodes this season!

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 08:50 PM
morjana that is sick and wrong. I have taught you well


I have learned from you, Master Jelgate! :bratac13:

:tecmate:


Morjana

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 08:52 PM
Bad morjana! Bad! :p :D

Why, thank you! Thank you very much!

:)

Morjana

Jumper_One
February 23rd, 2008, 08:53 PM
I have learned from you, Master Jelgate! :bratac13:

:tecmate:


Morjana

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/motivator8190611.jpg

:lol:

morjana
February 23rd, 2008, 08:57 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/motivator8190611.jpg

:lol:

LOL!

I like, I like!

Morjana

jelgate
February 23rd, 2008, 08:59 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/motivator8190611.jpg

:lol:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/motivator5340943.jpg

Jumper_One
February 23rd, 2008, 09:07 PM
LOL!

I like, I like!

Morjana

I'm glad you do :P


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/motivator5340943.jpg

hey you can't use my own pic against me :P

toomanysides
February 23rd, 2008, 09:15 PM
I felt that Sam really fit into this episode, which is sad that the season is coming to a close. She is really gell-ing in SGA now and it's a shame that it is the end. There potential for a great relationship with Sam/Teyla, too bad it's almost the end.

What is with the editing in this episode. It was off...?

Anyways pretty good episode.

nx01a
February 23rd, 2008, 10:41 PM
OMGWTFCARSON!!!

Ok, it's too early in the morning for a full review now, but let me just say for now...

Awesome episode. I avoid spoilers as much as possible, as much as posting here would allow. ;) I knew he was coming back and Michael and the baby were linked, but wow. Michael is truly a threat to be reckoned with, sadistic and wonderful. Each visit to Teyla was just to torment her a little bit more info. Very nicely done on the writers' part.

Michael's cruiser did some damage and avoided Asgard weapons! I luv it! Michael pwns!

And Carson.

I hope the Carson who died in Sunday is actually the 'real' Carson and this is a clone Michael made. It'll bring up the same RepliWeir/RepliTeam issues of personhood and who's the 'true' one, as well as tainting his return a bit for everyone. That would make for better viewing than a straight 'the clone died!' story. Carson isn't Spider-Man. Let the Clone Saga begin! :P

More when I'm awake.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM
Plus, I also saw Teyla's deep cut outfit as blatant pandering. And that's coming from someone who's had no problem with her outfits in the past seasons. It's like they were trying way to hard to say "Yeah she's pregnant but she's still HAWT!" No duh, tone it down guys. :mckay:

You misspelled "up"

Shan Bruce Lee
February 23rd, 2008, 11:05 PM
woohoo Caldwell and the Deadalus :D I'm just curious why they couldn't just destroy the hive? I mean come on our weapons can pretty much kill anything since BAMSR. anyway of course Teyla isn't rescued, that was to be expected. and ah those final 30 seconds! I knew what they were gonna find, still I was so nervous. 'finally, it's about bloody time. what took you so long?' :eek::eek::eek: aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! um yeah... *cough* can't wait for Part 2 :)

10/10

I think that's because there were so many ships in the BAMSR battle. There was a lot of firing in several directions and there were a lot of 302s and Wraith Darts in that battle too.

Geral
February 23rd, 2008, 11:23 PM
Not a bad episode. It seemed to jump from place to place pretty fast and seemed discontinuous. I can't wait for part 2. I hated how scifi last week gave Carson away. I thought of him the whole episode and I knew they were going to find them before he did so it ruined the surprise.

Oh well. I'd like to see how they justify his existance.

1138
February 24th, 2008, 01:03 AM
I really liked Lorne in this episode. The look on his face when they return after losing Teyla was very dramatic.

That's actually one thing I found kind of amusing. For a moment, Lorne looked like a puppy who's just done something wrong.

Platschu
February 24th, 2008, 02:49 AM
Why do I I feel that Teyla's child is similar to Adria? When Michael said that he has plans for the boy, than I remembered to the scene when Adria said the same to Daniel. And when Kanaan spoke about the child that he will serve their case than it was very similar to the birth scene with the Prior in 10x01.

P-90_177
February 24th, 2008, 02:51 AM
That's actually one thing I found kind of amusing. For a moment, Lorne looked like a puppy who's just done something wrong.

I thought the exact same thing. It was like he was expecting Shep and Ronon to shoot him dead right there and then.

Buck32
February 24th, 2008, 02:58 AM
Let me just say, Great episode, i thoroughly enjoyed it, of course it was largely a set up episode for part 2, but it really answered some questions while leaving some tantalizingly unaswered, and the Beckett reveal, magnificent!!! i noted the shock on the faces of Mckay and Shepherd when they first saw Beckett, they were truly floored!!!

a few other things i liked about this episode:

the team together again, albeit breifly.

lots of gate travel and going offworld

the use of Todd, he really is becoming an interesting character.

same for Michael, his concept of wraithlike beings who don't need to feed but have all their other strenghts is truly terrifying.

and last but not least the return of Carson Beckett, clone, replicator or whatever.

can't wait for part 2!!

Egle01
February 24th, 2008, 03:45 AM
'The Kindred' was good. Not as awesome as 2 previous eps. First half wasn't very exciting. Not boring, but ... Y'know.
Second half was little spookier. Michael's appearence was one of a kind. The music and all worked for me.
But I'd been more scared if hadn't known that he's coming back. Those moments make me hate/dislike GW's soiler-ish.(Is that a word?)
Sorry, but this talk about ruling the world and having great plans for Teyla's baby, was a bit Ori-ish.
Cute, Sam was getting friendly with Teyla. Not that she wasn't before, but that 'Call me Sam'-thing. Sometimes watching an ep I forget that she won't be there for S5.
But when I remember I get really sad. :(
Than this end, Carson... I knew he was gonna be there. Maybe I'd forgotten by airing time, but thanks to Sci Fi's promo... Again a moment I hate/dislike spoilers.
Well, waiting for next week's ep. ;)

Dusk
February 24th, 2008, 04:05 AM
Why does every baby born on a sci-fi show have to be part of a grand design, usually involving the enemy? Poor Teyla can't have her baby in peace?

Overused line of this show: "...there's only one way to find out." Are you certain there's just the one way? Take some time, don't rush in. Go on, I know you can do it!

Not a bad ep. Not a great ep. Just somewhere in between.

The Daedalus needs a stun weapon to disable enemy ships. Atlantis teams also need a device to prevent capture by a Wraith dart.

Some nice visuals of the landed Wraith ship on the desert world, much less futzy than usual. And Carson's return still seems very odd to me. Sure I was annoyed when they killed him off, but bringing him back is like flogging a dead horse. A Shetland pony to be precise.

AutumnDream
February 24th, 2008, 04:20 AM
Cute, Sam was getting friendly with Teyla. Not that she wasn't before, but that 'Call me Sam'-thing. Sometimes watching an ep I forget that she won't be there for S5

She was not there in Season 4 either, so it's really not much of a loss.


Why do I I feel that Teyla's child is similar to Adria? When Michael said that he has plans for the boy, than I remembered to the scene when Adria said the same to Daniel. And when Kanaan spoke about the child that he will serve their case than it was very similar to the birth scene with the Prior in 10x01.

Don't forget the Harcesis child. If I'm not forgetting any, this will be the third child born in the Stargate franchise which is somehow important to the "grand designs" of the enemy.

Naonak
February 24th, 2008, 08:27 AM
A pretty good episode, although for the most part just set-up for Part 2 (and the rest of this little mini-arc).

The story was really well thought-out and put together. There was quite a lot of mystery. All the stuff that's been going on this year (and even last year) is finally getting a pay-off, and it should be quite the pay-off. If only they hadn't been so fast and loose with the spoilers...

Michael and Todd are both great. They're like life-sucking versions of Ba'al. Michael's a fantastic villain - he's not actually evil (anymore than any other Wraith), it's just that he's been screwed over so many times by everyone that he's not gonna take it any more! Todd is just brilliantly ambiguous. Working with the expedition, yet always with an ulterior motive, and another plan - what does he really want? If either of those two dies anytime soon (like, the next three years...) I will not be happy.

Other good points:
- Lorne's expression when he came back after Teyla got kidnapped - both dramatic, and kind of amusing...
- The Rodney/Teyla scene - both typical egomaniacal McKay, and the nicer Rodney that's started to come out over the last year or so

My one real problem was that there was a bit too much travelling between Atlantis and so many other planets. I thought it took away a lot of tension.

7/10 (but probably 8/10 had it not been so gorram spoiled)


Todd... This episode was great for him. Once again, he plays the ally, but always with that ulterior motive that gives him milage for the seasons to come, and please, let those seasons be many!
:indeed:


:lol:Jelgate wonders why PG15 is talking in third person.
It's the flocking. PG does anything weird... it's the flocking... ;)

Infernorhythm
February 24th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Great episode, Todd still rules. But I am curious as hell as to what happened to Michael. He's way more human than before. Was he experimenting on himself? Didn't he think human were unclean? Oh well, bring on next Friday!