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January 30th, 2008, 06:31 PM
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McKay, Carter, and Keller are trapped in an underground chamber while on an off-world mission, with no apparent means of escape.

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Sweetsong
February 8th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Highlight of the episode was Carter's nicely polished toe nails. I guess she finds time for a pedicure during her busy schedule. ;)

prion
February 8th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Highlight of the episode was Carter's nicely polished toe nails. I guess she finds time for a pedicure during her busy schedule. ;)

I'm really surprised Rodney had no comments for that. I noticed 'em too.

I give it a, er, C or C-. It was average, it didn't move very quickly. I'll rewatch my taped copy without all the ads which went on so long I forgot what I was watching...

They had some good little bonding moments, but really, Rodney needed to be slapped for his remark about Carter's chest. Geez.

I'll have to watch again cuz well, it also, alas, wasn't the most memorable, oh wait wait, except for... Keller cringing, hands over head. ARGH!

wm_1987
February 8th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Was Keller flirting with McKay at the end? Or is it just me who thinks that? If she was McKays reaction was cute.

cas315
February 8th, 2008, 07:05 PM
It was interesting because it didn't really have anything to do with the overall plot. Still fun though! Anyone see the trailer for next week? It's so exciting!!!

Xicer
February 8th, 2008, 07:05 PM
That was pretty good, especially for a filler. A few boring moments but this episode had a lotta great lines. And we got a more background on the characters.

Alicia
February 8th, 2008, 07:05 PM
No, seriously. Was anyone as bored out of their mind by this episode as me? That was the first time ever I read fanfiction while watching a SGA episode. At this point, I'm considering "Missing" to be a better episode than this one and that means a lot coming from me.
ETA: The fanfiction was WAY better!

padr49904
February 8th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Wow i hope they went to those kids parents huts (or houses). I hope the ones dad takes it out on him good.

Kids in the pegasus galaxy are mean well except Jinto. But he might of been mean (we don't know).

Blistna
February 8th, 2008, 07:07 PM
I didn't like this episode, but I didn't expect to from the ad's. It was boring...and the who "coming for peace" seemed out of place, almost rushed.

cabouse18
February 8th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Highlight of the episode was Carter's nicely polished toe nails. I guess she finds time for a pedicure during her busy schedule. ;)

totally noticed that too;) Hey, a girl's gotta look her best b/c ya never know when you will fall into a mine shaft, break your leg and have to expose your feet :lol:



I'm really surprised Rodney had no comments for that. I noticed 'em too.

I give it a, er, C or C-. It was average, it didn't move very quickly. I'll rewatch my taped copy without all the ads which went on so long I forgot what I was watching...

They had some good little bonding moments, but really, Rodney needed to be slapped for his remark about Carter's chest. Geez.

I'll have to watch again cuz well, it also, alas, wasn't the most memorable, oh wait wait, except for... Keller cringing, hands over head. ARGH!

I was surprised too....I was sooo waiting for him to say something. I like the "would you rather" game when Rodney finally joined in. That was cute. So was anyone else like WTF at the end when Keller asked Rodney to have drink with her??:eek: Poor Sam gets left by the way side.


No, seriously. Was anyone as bored out of their mind by this episode as me? That was the first time ever I read fanfiction while watching a SGA episode. At this point, I'm considering "Missing" to be a better episode than this one and that means a lot coming from me.

Holy Cow:eek: I was doing the same exact thing!! It was like watching 3 rats with higher intelligence get a through a maze

AGateFan
February 8th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Again, episode was fine. Entertaining enough but nothing awesome or anything. Everyone (who was actually in the ep) got to have an idea and do something good and heroic, there were a few good lines, no one was absurdly stupid or whinny. So thumbs up, I guess.

Um, Keller....um....WTF if she is going to want to date everyone that rescues her she will be dating....well everyone. Or did I totally misconstrue that last scene because surely it was difficult to misconstrue the Ronan one.... Oh I know, TPTB think it will be cool to have Ronan and Rodney fighting over Keller like Worf and Riker (ok ST wimped out on that "fighting" but I am sure SGA TPTB could do it better). Though I personally would prefer my Stargate to be ship-less. In all senses of the word ship.

reddevil18
February 8th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Not really a memorable episode, but it had its moments...
Things we learned:
Rodney's a brave fat little man.
Keller isn't COMPLETELY useless, even though her plan was foiled by an earthquake(I thought they had 4 a day - they had like 3 in the 2 or so hours they were down there...).
Zelenka's a perv.
Kids are idiots and need a good beating once in a while..

Rac80
February 8th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I laughed through much fo the dialog and just wanted to slap rodney! It was well written.
No I don't think keller was flirting, she was grateful he didn't drop her (besides Ronon would KILL rodney!) Besides gals, we have all done a pity date atleast once haven't we? ;)

jjmlucky13
February 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
So, I tried to pay as close attention as I could, but I must have missed the "not so subtle hint as to Carter's romantic life" that was promised. Anybody catch it?

Shipperahoy
February 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
It wasn't a terribly exciting episode but had some great character interactions. Keller has come a long way since Missing and I am really enjoying her. And now we know one very important thing...McKay would sooo do Jon Stewart. ;)

Serani
February 8th, 2008, 07:10 PM
So, I tried to pay as close attention as I could, but I must have missed the "not so subtle hint as to Carter's romantic life" that was promised. Anybody catch it?

I was just wondering that, myself...

Arative
February 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM
I thought this a fun little episode, numerous times I found myself laughing. Was good to see Rodney man up a little and hold that rope, nice to know he just won't complain. Is it just me or was Keller hitting on Rodney at the end there? Didn't she just hook up with Ronan a while ago?

rarocks24
February 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM
I didn't see the last scene so much as a McKeller potential, but as two people that have bonded with each other thru a very tense, frightening situation and decide to have a drink with each other.

That's just what I perceived it to be. Jewel overplayed it, that's all.

R.Keller is still the semi-official ship.

Shipperahoy
February 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM
So, I tried to pay as close attention as I could, but I must have missed the "not so subtle hint as to Carter's romantic life" that was promised. Anybody catch it?

Unfortunately Joe M. said that not so subtle hint ended up on the cutting room floor. However he did say that he will post it on his blog at some point.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Again, episode was fine. Entertaining enough but nothing awesome or anything. Everyone (who was actually in the ep) got to have an idea and do something good and heroic, there were a few good lines, no one was absurdly stupid or whinny. So thumbs up, I guess.

Um, Keller....um....WTF if she is going to want to date everyone that rescues her she will be dating....well everyone. Or did I totally misconstrue that last scene because surely it was difficult to misconstrue the Ronan one.... Oh I know, TPTB think it will be cool to have Ronan and Rodney fighting over Keller like Worf and Riker (ok ST wimped out on that "fighting" but I am sure SGA TPTB could do it better). Though I personally would prefer my Stargate to be ship-less. In all senses of the word ship.

LOL. Nothing romantic about it. She wanted to go for drinks as buds.

jds1982
February 8th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Well they certainly saved on sets and CGI for this episode.

jjmlucky13
February 8th, 2008, 07:12 PM
The only thing that could be classified as a hint was the "George Clooney vs Brad Pitt" Carter chose Clooney- the older man with a touch of gray?!

cabouse18
February 8th, 2008, 07:13 PM
So, I tried to pay as close attention as I could, but I must have missed the "not so subtle hint as to Carter's romantic life" that was promised. Anybody catch it?

No JM said that that was left on cutting room floor! Damn, are we ever going to find out if there was/is some resolution with the whole Jack/Sam thing???


The only thing that could be classified as a hint was the "George Clooney vs Brad Pitt" Carter chose Clooney- the older man with a touch of gray?!

And when she told Rodney, when he was trying to explain his comments about them being pretty, that he wouldn't have to worry b/c it would never happen. That was about it.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:14 PM
The only thing that could be classified as a hint was the "George Clooney vs Brad Pitt" Carter chose Clooney- the older man with a touch of gray?!

Hmm... that might have been it?

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Well they certainly saved on sets and CGI for this episode.

No they never, it turned out to be one of the more expensive episodes.

The TARDIS
February 8th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Well they certainly saved on sets and CGI for this episode.

Actually, that was the most expensive set of the season, according to official blogs. :D

dasNdanger
February 8th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Oh, what fun!

Sorry - I just loved Rodney's suggestion that Sam show her...erm...ya know...to get the kids to help. LOLOL! (as a woman, I was not offended by that at all.)

I'm thinking Keller is a bit of a flirt...a couple weeks ago, snuggling up to Ronon...now, taking Rodney out for a drink. Hmmmmm....she's a tricksty one, that Keller...

Some good lines. Hubby and I laughed out loud a few times. Was fun and entertaining overall. Loved the references back to Quarantine. Probably the last 'up' episode now that we're headed into the last few of the season...and probably lots of Wraith killing next week. *wimper*


das

jds1982
February 8th, 2008, 07:17 PM
No they never, it turned out to be one of the more expensive episodes.


Actually, that was the most expensive set of the season, according to official blogs. :D

You're kidding. An old room with a bunch of random junk was the most expensive set?

FoolishPleasure
February 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM
I knew this was going to be bad when Keller started her crybaby act before the credits started rolling ("Oh, I'm so outta breath, why did we walk? Why didn't we take the jumper?") Wawawawa. I'm so tired of her "poor, poor, me" act.

Best?

Rodney, who saved the day, getting hands sliced and diced.

Worst?

Flashing Sam's painted toenails. Come on. I just groaned out loud, that was so dumb.

Keller. OMG, she HAS to GO! She listens to Rodney talk about the Katie breakup, so what does she do? She comes on to him at the end? And after coming on to Ronon last we saw her? I thought this gal was a social outcast that didn't have dates, didn't go to parties, but she sure knew all the beer drinking games!

I guess instead of Crybaby Keller, she is Slutty Crybaby Keller?

Ugh. Producers, get rid of her! PLEASE, for the love of your fans!!

Ruined_puzzle
February 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Keller is a player. lol.

cabouse18
February 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Oh, what fun!

Sorry - I just loved Rodney's suggestion that Sam show her...erm...ya know...to get the kids to help. LOLOL! (as a woman, I was not offended by that at all.)
I'm thinking Keller is a bit of a flirt...a couple weeks ago, snuggling up to Ronon...now, taking Rodney out for a drink. Hmmmmm....she's a tricksty one, that Keller...

Some good lines. Hubby and I laughed out loud a few times. Was fun and entertaining overall. Loved the references back to Quarantine. Probably the last 'up' episode now that we're headed into the last few of the season...and probably lots of Wraith killing next week. *wimper*


das


Yeah Carter/Amanda and Rodney/David really do have a great on screen chemistry....would have been funny if when the kids came back, if she had really considered it;) Hell if I was stuck in a hole in a life threatening position, I can't say that I wouldn't have at least tried ;)


You're kidding. An old room with a bunch of random junk was the most expensive set?

Personally, I don't see how!!

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM
I'm thinking Keller is a bit of a flirt...a couple weeks ago, snuggling up to Ronon...now, taking Rodney out for a drink. Hmmmmm....she's a tricksty one, that Keller...


I really, really think she was just taking a friend out for drinks. The writers seem to, uh well, I'm not sure how to put it, not understand human interaction, so sometimes they make things look weird that aren't so weird fundamentally. I don't really whine about the writers, but I knew instantly after the ep was over that people would be making more of that scene than what it was.

nebulan
February 8th, 2008, 07:20 PM
I think Keller is growing on me.

and uhg, I hate pervert!rodney!!

but it was nice to see Sam and the others in action, and the banter and everything was a lot of fun.

bluesky74656
February 8th, 2008, 07:20 PM
I might be the only one thinking this... but didn't Quarantine establish that Keller was almost completely socially inept because she never got to go out? If that's the case, why was she the only one who knew that stupid bar trick. I thought the point in Quarantine was that she didn't get go out to bars on any kind of regular basis.

It seems to me that TPTB doesn't know what they want to do with her, relationship wise. I don't know if I should take that last scene innocently or not. What's up with her and Ronon, is that over?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Jewel Staite, but I think that character needs some major help.

On a broader note, I haven't been overly impressed with the writing at all this season. Even last season, I remember SG1 being written much better than Atlantis, and if anything it may have gone down hill. The good episodes end up being the ones where an excellent plot makes up for mediocre writing. For most of this episode I had a hard time buying Rodney's behavior and interactions with the others... it just seemed too awkward and forced.

// hmm.. that came of a bit more critical than I intended. It's only 'cause I love the show.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:20 PM
You're kidding. An old room with a bunch of random junk was the most expensive set?

The entire set tilts.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Keller. OMG, she HAS to GO! She listens to Rodney talk about the Katie breakup, so what does she do? She comes on to him at the end? And after coming on to Ronon last we saw her? I thought this gal was a social outcast that didn't have dates, didn't go to parties, but she sure knew all the beer drinking games!

I guess instead of Crybaby Keller, she is Slutty Crybaby Keller?

Ugh. Producers, get rid of her! PLEASE, for the love of your fans!!

Ugh! No, no! Just no!! LOL. She was taking him out as friends, and that's all there is to it! How is this getting misinterpreted so badly be so many? LOL.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I might be the only one thinking this... but didn't Quarantine establish that Keller was almost completely socially inept because she never got to go out? If that's the case, why was she the only one who knew that stupid bar trick. I thought the point in Quarantine was that she didn't get go out to bars on any kind of regular basis.


Nope, the point was that she missed a lot of her teenage years because she studied so hard. The point of it was to go some way in explaining why she is so young, not to imply she's socially inept.

AGateFan
February 8th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I knew this was going to be bad when Keller started her crybaby act before the credits started rolling ("Oh, I'm so outta breath, why did we walk? Why didn't we take the jumper?") Wawawawa. I'm so tired of her "poor, poor, me" act.

Best?

Rodney, who saved the day, getting hands sliced and diced.

Worst?

Flashing Sam's painted toenails. Come on. I just groaned out loud, that was so dumb.

Keller. OMG, she HAS to GO! She listens to Rodney talk about the Katie breakup, so what does she do? She comes on to him at the end? And after coming on to Ronon last we saw her? I thought this gal was a social outcast that didn't have dates, didn't go to parties, but she sure knew all the beer drinking games!

I guess instead of Crybaby Keller, she is Slutty Crybaby Keller?

Ugh. Producers, get rid of her! PLEASE, for the love of your fans!!
Wait.....good point, if she missed all the parties how does she know the beer drinking games. Do interns in medical school have a lot of time to do that sort of thing.... Oh wait, my boss just asked his new doctor if she did the bar craw at Ohio U and she confessed to it so I guess they do. But still, if she is supposed to be a social outcast, WTH?

Oh and previews for next week: The episode may or may not be good or bad but it should be entitled "just when you didnt think Teal'cs hair could get worse".

I didnt even notice the Carter toenails, but I am pretty sure it doesnt take too much effort to throw paint on them, people do it in their livingrooms while watching TV all the time. Even if carter worked 23 hours a day I am sure she could do the toenails in that one hour, were she so inclined....and now that she is experiementing with the hair and bad clothing maybe she is....or its just bad costuming.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:23 PM
Ugh! No, no! Just no!! LOL. She was taking him out as friends, and that's all there is to it! How is this getting misinterpreted so badly be so many? LOL.

Ever considered that you're the one misinterpreting it?

Quinn Mallory
February 8th, 2008, 07:24 PM
I thought this episode was okay. It definitely had some good lines. The overall idea is what I didn't really like though. I though Sam or McKay would have come up with a good way to come out of that situation faster (I guess I just have such high expectation of Sam). I thought Sam had too much faith in McKay in allowing him to attempt throwing that grappling hook more than once. I may have missed this but it would have been appropriate for McKay to have a Batman reference here.

I also didn't really like that little flirting between Keller toward McKay at the end. Is Keller the new town flirt? My last gripe would be able the Zelenka comment. I knew that McKay like to compare himself with Zelenka but to hint that Zelenka is not that likable?

I liked the Brian Greene/Neil deGrasse Tyson line although they are both much too mainsteam to be "good physicist". I would probably go with Neil deGrasse Tyson as well, especially I thought Brian Greene' cameo (especially with the bad grey hair) in the movie Frequency was a bit over the top.

Anyhow, I doubt we'll have another trap in space episode this season.

Shipperahoy
February 8th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Ugh! No, no! Just no!! LOL. She was taking him out as friends, and that's all there is to it! How is this getting misinterpreted so badly be so many? LOL.

You can't misinterpret something that is open for interpretation. I'm glad that you are certain in what you saw but for others, myself included, it didn't seem so innocent.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Ever considered that you're the one misinterpreting it?

Heh, yeah honestly I have. But that would be so out of place... plus Rodney's awkwardness makes absolute sense in either case. He's awkward. He would have reacted similarly if Sheppard asked him the same thing.

Lt. Ford
February 8th, 2008, 07:26 PM
My take on the ending was this:

Rodney didn't seem to like Keller very much at the beginning of the episode. The way he talked down on her shows this very well. At the end, they have become friends through the ordeal. They are going to get something to drink as friends. Are you guys saying that if I was to go out for a drink with a girl, it is automatically a date, and she is coming on to me? Wrong.

Anyways, not a great episode. Sam got to be in it a lot, so that was good because her screen time this season is very little. I was disappointed with some of the lame aspects of the episode, such as the "No we'll get in trouble. We bet on the fact that people are trapped." They decided to include that, but not the part about Sam's romantic life. I was hoping it would be some mention of Jack, but I guess not..

AGateFan
February 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Ugh! No, no! Just no!! LOL. She was taking him out as friends, and that's all there is to it! How is this getting misinterpreted so badly be so many? LOL.
Well Keller did throw out the "you really arent good at this sort of thing" which to me does not imply "gee you really arent good at drinking with your friends" but more of a "you really arent good at this getting it when a girl is hitting on you". Thats how it sounded to me. Otherwise she could have said something like "come on just shut up and get me my beer" or something.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Heh, yeah honestly I have. But that would be so out of place... plus Rodney's awkwardness makes absolute sense in either case. He's awkward. He would have reacted similarly if Sheppard asked him the same thing.

Why would it be awkward? I might be alone on this, but all the way through the ep I thought she was flirting with him, especially after she found out he had broken up with Kate. Notice the little 'she needs a great guy, like you' or something to that effect, line? I don't think it's anything serious, I don't even think he's going to get laid, but I definitely think it was a flirty invitation for a drink rather than a friendly one.

Shipperahoy
February 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Wait.....good point, if she missed all the parties how does she know the beer drinking games. Do interns in medical school have a lot of time to do that sort of thing.... Oh wait, my boss just asked his new doctor if she did the bar craw at Ohio U and she confessed to it so I guess they do. But still, if she is supposed to be a social outcast, WTH?

Oh and previews for next week: The episode may or may not be good or bad but it should be entitled "just when you didnt think Teal'cs hair could get worse".
I didnt even notice the Carter toenails, but I am pretty sure it doesnt take too much effort to throw paint on them, people do it in their livingrooms while watching TV all the time. Even if carter worked 23 hours a day I am sure she could do the toenails in that one hour, were she so inclined....and now that she is experiementing with the hair and bad clothing maybe she is....or its just bad costuming.

Oh my goodness I know! When good hair goes bad!

As far as Keller goes, I did not enjoy her in Missing and when she was complaining about the walking early in this episode I was worried because I didn't know if I could sit through another episode filled with that Missing level of self-doubt and cringe-inducing whining but I think she held it together pretty well and she's starting to come in to her own.

Ruffles
February 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
I thought Trio was quite fun - the banter was lively, the interaction between the three was good, the plan to escape didn't work the first time (like it normally does) or the second or the third. They only got out by accident (and fortuitous timing).

I agree with dasNdanger - I wasn't the least offended by Rodney's comments. I laughed out loud.

I also agree that Keller is a flirt. She started coming on to Rodney during the chat about Katie ("What she deserves is a nice man... like you.") A woman doesn't ask a bud "Would you like to have a drink with me?" after he's blustered several times about not owing her a beer. And her response to his "What?" was "You're not very good at this, are you?" I seriously doubt she meant drinking. You go girl!!

Way to go Rodney for being the tough guy for once (even if it was against his will and better judgment). He's learned so much about being a teammate. I particularly loved it when he told Sam he wasn't leaving her behind. I bet she never thought in her wildest dreams she would hear him say something like that.

The kids cracked me up. I so knew they had brought back their friends. As usual, McKay has a gift with children. Maybe he was still worn out from his mission last week to the kid planet. And Sam trying to bribe them was hilarious. I have no idea why she thought the kids would risk parental punishment because some stranger promised them. Guess she had to try.

And the Zelenka conversation! Who doesn't like Radek?

A nice, fun ep with some great character moments.

dasNdanger
February 8th, 2008, 07:30 PM
I really, really think she was just taking a friend out for drinks. The writers seem to, uh well, I'm not sure how to put it, not understand human interaction, so sometimes they make things look weird that aren't so weird fundamentally. I don't really whine about the writers, but I knew instantly after the ep was over that people would be making more of that scene than what it was.

Oh, I think they know what they are doing.

I HATE HATE HATE shows that are always about romantic relationships. One reason I still rate Common Ground as one of the best episodes ever because it examines the relationship between two men, and enemies at that. Good stuff. The lovey-dovey stuff...blech. That comes easy. It's MUCH harder to show two friends being...friends.

So, basically I was joking about Keller being a player. She was extending her friendship to a guy who's totally clueless not only in matters of love, but in the most basic relationships with his co-workers.

It was good. I was, however, a bit disturbed that Rodney so easily let his feelings for Jon Stewart slip out...lololol!!

Some really funny stuff in this one. Enjoyed it lots.

das

Rac80
February 8th, 2008, 07:30 PM
I really, really think she was just taking a friend out for drinks. The writers seem to, uh well, I'm not sure how to put it, not understand human interaction, so sometimes they make things look weird that aren't so weird fundamentally. I don't really whine about the writers, but I knew instantly after the ep was over that people would be making more of that scene than what it was.


Nope, the point was that she missed a lot of her teenage years because she studied so hard. The point of it was to go some way in explaining why she is so young, not to imply she's socially inept.


Ever considered that you're the one misinterpreting it?


My take on the ending was this:

Rodney didn't seem to like Keller very much at the beginning of the episode. The way he talked down on her shows this very well. At the end, they have become friends through the ordeal. They are going to get something to drink as friends. Are you guys saying that if I was to go out for a drink with a girl, it is automatically a date, and she is coming on to me? Wrong.

Anyways, not a great episode. Sam got to be in it a lot, so that was good because her screen time this season is very little. I was disappointed with some of the lame aspects of the episode, such as the "No we'll get in trouble. We bet on the fact that people are trapped." They decided to include that, but not the part about Sam's romantic life. I was hoping it would be some mention of Jack, but I guess not..

LOL i wonder if we checked profiles, would we discover that men think she was hitting on rodney and women realise it was friendly? ;) it was friendly.

jds1982
February 8th, 2008, 07:31 PM
The entire set tilts.

Well I suppose that would make it expensive, seems like it could have just been easier to have the actors lean in a certain direction, but that probably would have looked stupid.

Suzotchka
February 8th, 2008, 07:31 PM
I've never seen anyone act so immature before on a mission than I saw Keller act in this episode. Come on? Playing "who would you rather" ??? It just shows that she is not a leader and makes her seem even more out of place. She needs to grow up.

It could've been a great episode. But it fell very short.

And poor Sam - getting whumped again and again!

Vala_M
February 8th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Highlight of the episode was Carter's nicely polished toe nails. I guess she finds time for a pedicure during her busy schedule. ;)

Wow, I'm surprised anyone brought that up.

Vala,

idlewild202
February 8th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Meh.... this was one of my least favorite episodes this season. 100% a filler.

Falling into the hole was just cheesy. Duh, if there is a hole you STAY AWAY.

Now, as far as characters... Rodney and Sam where fantastic, if it had just been those two then the episode would have been enjoyable.

Adding Keller to the mix was just annoying... that character will never grow on me. Yeah, she was helpful in some parts in that she provided an extra set of hands, beyond that, she was just in the way not to mention annoying. I almost wonder if the writers didn't add her just so that it would be a "Grace Under Pressure" spinoff (though, honestly, I would have rather watched something like that then hear Keller whine).

Gosh I miss Beckett... all her "are you okay"s got really old really fast, I want Beckett back, he didn't ask if you where "okay" he just went to work without being asked making SURE you where okay himself.

And the end.... we got Keller/Ronon ship.... now we have a Keller/McKay ship??? :S :S I think I'm going to be sick now...

FoolishPleasure
February 8th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Well Keller did throw out the "you really arent good at this sort of thing" which to me does not imply "gee you really arent good at drinking with your friends" but more of a "you really arent good at this getting it when a girl is hitting on you". Thats how it sounded to me. Otherwise she could have said something like "come on just shut up and get me my beer" or something.

Exactly! She could have just left it with, "You owe me a beer", but she kept harping on it, "have a drink with me!" and then the old, "You aren't very good at this, are you?" which means, "I'm hitting on you dumbo!"

Run Rodney! Run! She'll be hitting on Sheppard next. ;)

Alicia
February 8th, 2008, 07:33 PM
From just watching the ep it is DEFINITELY more than a friendly invitation. Though seeing it in context I have to agree with whoever said it a few posts above that the writers probably didn't intend it to be Keller coming on to him.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:33 PM
LOL i wonder if we checked profiles, would we discover that men think she was hitting on rodney and women realise it was friendly? ;) it was friendly.

Or perhaps some people are just Ronon/Keller shippers? It was flirty ;)

cabouse18
February 8th, 2008, 07:34 PM
Wow, I'm surprised anyone brought that up.

Vala,

It was kind of hard to miss...they practically zoomed in on her foot!!;) Not to mention that the nail polish was like a bike reflector and caught what little light there was in the room which totally made it obvious that she had nail polish on in the first place!!

Serani
February 8th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Actually, I think it was probably left ambiguous on purpose. There's a good chance that it could go either way. This also gives them leeway so that if things work better with Ronan, then it can be between the good Doc and Ronan. /shrug

As for all the Keller bashing - come on. She's a doctor. She's not in the field all the time. She's not military, she's a civilian. Just like Rodney was the first few times he went out on missions. Rodney's been doing this for, what, 4 years now? Seems to make sense to me that she's not this smooth, perfect field person. Even Beckett didn't like to go out into the field when he first started.

jelgate
February 8th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
This was a lot like Harmony. It was humor episode that poked fun at McKay. Fortunatly I didn't want to claw my eyes out at the end of this episode. I believe prion said the the sucker Sheppard was sucking on at the beginning of the episode was the same one from his SciFi. I wonder how long it toke him to finish. It was funny seeing who was more important on the finding the planets inhabaitants problem. Speaking of funny, McKay is walking along talking about how physical fit he is and then he falls through a hole. It just gets more hilarious goes along. Every plan McKay, Carter, and Keller come up with fails with humerous consquences. Like when McKay says Carter should climb and Carter looks at him for not even offering to climb. Stupid kids, they would rather hve someone die than get in trouble. I wonder if Zelenka knows that these guys don't like him? I can't believe the suggestion that McKay made to get the kids to help them. I thought the grappling hook was an interesting idea. How many times do you get to see an episode where the team makes a grappling hook? I never saw Carter as the Cloney type. I was with Keller when Carter mention the two physicst names. I have never hears of those. Speaking, of the grappling hook, it was funny to see McKay throw the hook into air with little results. Someone, needs to spend more time training with Ronon. I wonder if Keller did a lot of drinking in her college days? Because I have never heard of that Bar bet. It was so close to acheiving victory. I don't know if Amanda or a stunt double did that fall but cherographes perfect. As much as Keller struggled to find solutions to the problems with them stuck in a mine shaft, she sprung into action the second she realized Sam was in danger. Thats what I like about this character. She is nervous when she is out of element, but when her expertise are needed, she can spring into action. McKay really showed that despite all his whinning, he can be pretty resourceful and courageous when he wants like when the structure finally falls and he the one holding Keller and not telling her to go into the light. Speaking of Keller, I applaud her for getting over her fear and swinging over to the mine shaft. I also applaud McKay for even after being injured and be told to go by Carter that he was able to sudden the strenght to repel Carter down to the mine shaft, even if he had a hard time swinging himeself. You think Keller would hve better things to do than tease McKay. I wonder how much beer they had. I am also glad that we were able to get some closure on McKay and Katie Brown. My biggest compliant is that Ronon and Teyla weren't seen at all and Sheppard only appeared for a few seconds. Overall not the best episode but good for a filler. Is it time watch Midway yet.

jds1982
February 8th, 2008, 07:37 PM
LOL i wonder if we checked profiles, would we discover that men think she was hitting on rodney and women realise it was friendly? ;) it was friendly.

I dunno my wife made a comment about her being the town bicycle.

Jace021903
February 8th, 2008, 07:37 PM
The only thing that could be classified as a hint was the "George Clooney vs Brad Pitt" Carter chose Clooney- the older man with a touch of gray?!

He's only two years older than Brad Pitt. Poor George. :)


Anyway, I thought it was a cute episode. I liked it.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 07:37 PM
The fact that Keller said what she did while talking about Katie, to me, only reinforces that fact that she was only trying to be a friend and make him feel better.

Vala_M
February 8th, 2008, 07:38 PM
I expected this episode to be boring, luckily, I was pleasantly surprised. I too was afraid that Keller would suddenly become tough but it didn't happen like that luckily. A nice way to get insight on the characters' lives. The whole underground mine which was mined to just a foot or less below the surface is a bit of a stretch though, unless that planet has some weird gravity thing or something like that. I liked their ideas on how to get out but I knew that none of them would work as they were too easy, that and because we didn't see the McKay on the rope "Schwarzenegger start swinging" part yet. I loved the tension between Keller, Sam and McKay, that was classic. Sam's staying on the unstable boxes was a bit of a stretch though, she fell not once but twice, for me, that was a little too much to believe, Sam's too smart of a person to get caught up in rushing something like that. The whole Keller bar bet thing was funny as she's the person you'd least expect to be into that sort of thing, didn't she say that she missed out on a lot of partying studying?

A very good episode overall, it exceeded my expectations.

Vala,

dasNdanger
February 8th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Oh and previews for next week: The episode may or may not be good or bad but it should be entitled "just when you didnt think Teal'cs hair couldnt get worse".



My husband freaked out over that, too - he even had to rewind the scene so he could rag on Teal'c's hair. I'll never figure men out. :rolleyes: My only concern about next week's episode is that it looks like they're going to 'Red Shirt' a whole bunch of Wraith again. The guys who took down the Ancients get pwned by two dudes with really bad hair.

Go figger.


das

Traveler Enroute1
February 8th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Overall, I liked TRIO.

The good:

Great setting; dusty and dingy; almost smelled the mildew
Nice humor; loved Sam and Keller teasing Rodney. And Rodney's gaff on weight, body type, etc was cute Rodney
Spotlight on each one as they tried differerent solutions
Plausible story; Sam doing the Leader of Atlantis thing, going offworld to speak to locals
Resolution was neatly done, Rodney saves the day finally
Keller pressing Rodney for that beer, nice!
The hmm?

What's with letting Rodney run the show? Sam's in charge. Too long on his macho wannabee-ness
Keller didn't have a standard SG team pack w/morphine; why?
No final scene with Sam, no final words of thanks or well done; felt her absence
Just sayin', interesting settings, easy (and light) dialogue, nice suspense and three likeable and unlikely teammates put this on top for me. And a full episode of Sam Carter on deck: big plus! Score: 8/10.

Vala_M
February 8th, 2008, 07:40 PM
You're kidding. An old room with a bunch of random junk was the most expensive set?

Because they had to built some sort of rig that would physically move the mine room set around to match the steel beams breaking .

Vala,

GateLadyM
February 8th, 2008, 07:42 PM
This was bad. No, this was stinky bad. What is Keller now? She has gone from the naive crying waif to the resident ho? How many guys will she hit on in a season? Give me a break.

Yes, I miss Carson, but Keller is just obnoxious. She whines, she cries, she screams, she hits on all the men. Seriously, is this supposed to be an improvement over Beckett?

Ugh. Give me Teal'c next week, and I hope we don't see any of our wonderful new doc for while.

At least Carter was more like Carter of old, and Rodney was cool (and a hero!).

the fifth man
February 8th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Definitely not the best episode of the season. But, it was entertaining enough. Man, Rodney is the man. Getting asked out by the Doc.

ann_sgcfan
February 8th, 2008, 07:45 PM
I thought Trio was quite fun - the banter was lively, the interaction between the three was good, the plan to escape didn't work the first time (like it normally does) or the second or the third. They only got out by accident (and fortuitous timing).

I agree with dasNdanger - I wasn't the least offended by Rodney's comments. I laughed out loud.

I also agree that Keller is a flirt. She started coming on to Rodney during the chat about Katie ("What she deserves is a nice man... like you.") A woman doesn't ask a bud "Would you like to have a drink with me?" after he's blustered several times about not owing her a beer. And her response to his "What?" was "You're not very good at this, are you?" I seriously doubt she meant drinking. You go girl!!

Way to go Rodney for being the tough guy for once (even if it was against his will and better judgment). He's learned so much about being a teammate. I particularly loved it when he told Sam he wasn't leaving her behind. I bet she never thought in her wildest dreams she would hear him say something like that.

The kids cracked me up. I so knew they had brought back their friends. As usual, McKay has a gift with children. Maybe he was still worn out from his mission last week to the kid planet. And Sam trying to bribe them was hilarious. I have no idea why she thought the kids would risk parental punishment because some stranger promised them. Guess she had to try.

And the Zelenka conversation! Who doesn't like Radek?

A nice, fun ep with some great character moments.

Yeah I agree with you on all accounts. It was a cute funny stand alone episode. It had great character moments and I love brave McKay! lol finally! Holding the rope despite cut hands. I was glad Sam had some quality minutes and how she took the chance on each attempt out until she was badly hurt because of the unstable boxes, room, planet. It was just good to see all three characters interacting. :D Nice how they each came up with an idea/ plan to get out. They worked well together.

I enjoy Sam/Amanda and McKAy/David's banter! There reaction and comments back and forth were funny and I enjoyed it :D

And the last little bit with Keller asking McKay for drinks was cute! :D

Ruffles
February 8th, 2008, 07:48 PM
This was bad. No, this was stinky bad. What is Keller now? She has gone from the naive crying waif to the resident ho? How many guys will she hit on in a season? Give me a break.


Ouch. Tough crowd here. I didn't realize flirting with two different guys made a girl a ho. I'll have to remember that the next time I'm in mixed company.

I would like to see Ronon's reaction to it though.... Would he pound McKay into the ground or shrug and wish him well. Hmmmm.....

jelgate
February 8th, 2008, 07:48 PM
This was bad. No, this was stinky bad. What is Keller now? She has gone from the naive crying waif to the resident ho? How many guys will she hit on in a season? Give me a break.

Yes, I miss Carson, but Keller is just obnoxious. She whines, she cries, she screams, she hits on all the men. Seriously, is this supposed to be an improvement over Beckett?

Ugh. Give me Teal'c next week, and I hope we don't see any of our wonderful new doc for while.

At least Carter was more like Carter of old, and Rodney was cool (and a hero!).

I think McKay whinned more than Keller in this episode and I think Sheppard has more flirts than Keller.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I'm surprised so many people dislike this episode to be honest, personally I enjoyed it more than the last two. Some great lines, plenty of suspense. A really well made episode in my opinion, especially when you consider that the vast majority of it is set in a box in the ground!

Findle
February 8th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Hi, long time lurker, first time poster.

I really liked the ep- although I can see how the level of enjoyment will depend on how one feels about Rodney, Keller, and them together in the same place. ;) Overall I thought it was a great use of a filler ep. I tend to prefer smaller stories where they can just put the characters in a place and let them interact. There hasn't been enough of that the last couple years, IMO.

For the last scene, I'm sure they're making Keller and Rodney best buds on the show. Which, when you consider that the closest friend Rodney had was Carson, is a potentially pretty interesting dynamic. I do agree there were problems with the scene though, partially because I just don't think Jewel is used to playing off David at that level yet, and I didn't think the direction was very helpfull either. You gotta see the body language, to determine what 'go get a drink with me' means. Too many closeups, there was no body language to read there IMO.

I'm sure they mean it platonically, but they didn't make it easy or the most intuitive to instantly pick that up.

But, I liked the writing, and especially liked the new character dynamics.

Findle
"Operation 'This Will Most Likely End Badly' is a go."

Mckeller
February 8th, 2008, 07:52 PM
the whole last scene thing got me thinkin' I know that my user name seems to suggest that I am rooting for a McKay Keller thing when at this point I'm not. After Quarantine I think the writers are leaning another way and I'm interested to see if that's pursued but I also think that Keller is a bit of a flirt and is becoming more comfortable with the her new job and Atlantis so her personality is coming out more. I don't know about anyone else but i don't see anything wrong with flirting and Sheppard shouldn't be the only one on Atlantis who does it, what's good for the goose is good for the gander and maybe she thinks Rodney needs a little ego boost(OMG did I really say that? ) after the whole breakup with Katie. I didn't get the sense that it was anything but a drink but there was a sense that she was letting him know that women would find him attractive if he relaxed and gave it a chance.

There my two cents thanks

Also the whole "show em your" ... LOL McKay's brain- mouth filter shorting out again but veerry funny.

Shipperahoy
February 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Wow, there's sure a lot of Keller hate.

I too had thought that they had made the beginning of a Keller/Ronan relationship and was sort of taken aback by the, what I perceived as, flirting with McKay at the end of the episode but I think ho and slut is a bit harsh. Now, if she had had sex with Ronan and then went and came on to Rodney that would be pretty ho-like but other than some flirtation and a near kiss there is no Keller/Ronan relationship so that leaves her free to flirt with whoever she wishes.

Personally, I think that the musical ships are kind of confusing and don't understand the sudden shift towards McKay but I certainly don't find Keller to be slutty. Honestly, I find Sheppard to be more "slutty" than Keller but of course he's a GUY so that's perfectly acceptable.:rolleyes:

Traveler Enroute1
February 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM
The only thing that could be classified as a hint was the "George Clooney vs Brad Pitt" Carter chose Clooney- the older man with a touch of gray?!

Touch o' silver, I say!

Just sayin', I held my breath when Sam answered! So we didn't get that "bit of her personal life" tidbit; I can extrapolate, to my heart's content! ;)

P-90_177
February 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM
My husband freaked out over that, too - he even had to rewind the scene so he could rag on Teal'c's hair. I'll never figure men out. :rolleyes: My only concern about next week's episode is that it looks like they're going to 'Red Shirt' a whole bunch of Wraith again. The guys who took down the Ancients get pwned by two dudes with really bad hair.

Go figger.


das

Not so. They get pwned by two of the baddest dudes in two galaxies.

Chailyn
February 8th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Pretty boring, imo. They fell into a hole. I would've just given it a 'meh' if they didn't waste so much money on it.

I thought Keller was hitting on Rodney the entire time too, but I could care less what she does. I'm a bit annoyed that it seems that Zelenka is being used as comic relief this season. So, he's a perv now, and both Sam and Keller don't like him. Nice. I never viewed him that way. He was always competent, respectable, and grounded. :cool:

ToasterOnFire
February 8th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

ykickamoocow
February 8th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

Probably off on maturnity leave.

GateLadyM
February 8th, 2008, 08:08 PM
For the last scene, I'm sure they're making Keller and Rodney best buds on the show. Which, when you consider that the closest friend Rodney had was Carson, is a potentially pretty interesting dynamic.

That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

jelgate
February 8th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and un inventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

I can understand your frusturation but RL needs some time for maternity leave. I believe she return in The Kindred

Briangate78
February 8th, 2008, 08:18 PM
My review of this episode. It was putting 3 talented actors and 3 great characters in a mining shaft trying to escape with their lives. The humor was great, the chemistry really shined, we finally found out what happened with Katie. Everyone just fed off eachother. It had some suprising moments and it was just a good fun episode. This season as surely focused on the characters as individuals and I love that!

Landers
February 8th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I loved Rodney tonight, and Carter was better than she has been all year, but let us please bring out the golden chariot so our dear, sweet Keller doesn't have to do any walking. ;) And please keep that doctor away from me. All she has is Motrin in her bag! :S

Ah, the big flirty scene. *cough* I think we should start a pool and bet on who gets the hit next week. Just think, now that Keller is a regular character, she should be clear through Atlantis and hitting on Todd by the end of season 5. :) Personally, I can't wait for Keller/Woolsey ship!

Findle
February 8th, 2008, 08:21 PM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.
See, I think they would make good 'non sexual' bud. They're both self-admitted misfits. They both often find themselves not knowing what to do or say. I can see where she will continue to help him (maybe) rebuild his relationship with Katie, and I'm sure she'll go to him for a 'guy pov' when something goes wrong with her and Ronan.

Moneypenny
February 8th, 2008, 08:22 PM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.


...

......

It, uh, totally can (and DOES) work that way.

Geez, thank god the PTB will probably never do an actual relationship on this show. Two people of the opposite sex go for a drink and it's suddenly a huge thing. :rolleyes:

Briangate78
February 8th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

Remember Season 9 of SG-1, when Amanda/Carter missed the first 5 episodes. The same thing is going on for Rachel/Teyla here. She is just taking it easy. Also, as per the development, while I am watching the 2nd airing in the background they are talking about Rodney and Katie, and how Rodney is not good with releationships, this hence continues that character flaw for him. Well that's is only my opinion of course. :)

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 08:34 PM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

We've never been lead to believe that she's dating Ronon, as she isn't.

Taz writes: “I thought Ronon and Keller were dating since Quarantine.”

Answer: There has been no development on the Ronon-Keller front since the events of Quarantine. She’s still single.

Night Marshal
February 8th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Wow that was bad. Granted it looks like this was cheep episode to offset bigger episodes like Be all my sins remembered.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

I seriously doubt it.

any_gopher
February 8th, 2008, 08:37 PM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

??

??????

So..... you don't think taken people should have friends of the other gender?

That's fine and valid and all... but Keller isn't even taken.

A woman can't have a significant other and a friend of the other gender? So then what do you do if you're a lesbian? Only have male friends?

Landers
February 8th, 2008, 08:37 PM
We've never been lead to believe that she's dating Ronon, as she isn't.

Taz writes: “I thought Ronon and Keller were dating since Quarantine.”

Answer: There has been no development on the Ronon-Keller front since the events of Quarantine. She’s still single.

It just makes her look cheap. She tries to kiss Ronon, then she flirts with Rodney and wants to have drinks with him. Doesn't endear her to me at all.

P-90_177
February 8th, 2008, 08:39 PM
We've never been lead to believe that she's dating Ronon, as she isn't.

Taz writes: “I thought Ronon and Keller were dating since Quarantine.”

Answer: There has been no development on the Ronon-Keller front since the events of Quarantine. She’s still single.

HA! I just thought of a really funny thing to include in an ep at some point. I haven't seen trio yet so i can't judge the moment between McKay and Keller everyone is raveing about, but assuming for a second that it was a bit of flirting, then how about having Ronon and McKay find out about eachothers encounters and perhaps starting to compete with eachother a little........:D

freyr's mother
February 8th, 2008, 08:46 PM
The episode was an awful filler. Half the time McKay was trying to get Carter and Keller to take off their tops. Not that I have a problem with that, but my problem is that im concerned TPTB are running dry of ideas.

fugiman
February 8th, 2008, 08:53 PM
The episode was an awful filler. Half the time McKay was trying to get Carter and Keller to take off their tops. Not that I have a problem with that, but my problem is that im concerned TPTB are running dry of ideas.

This was a great episode it had some pricless McKay comments

Such as "Well Sam Weighed to much" Glare from Sam "Not that you way to much, no you have a perfect body" looks at Keller "Not that you don't"
Or

"You know" does flashing movment "I was ten years old once so you know just" Sam shoots him down

Merlin's_Legacy
February 8th, 2008, 09:08 PM
I've only read through about half the posts, so forgive me if someone else has mentioned this before...

My take on Keller: She IS young. Her entire childhood was taken up with studying. She has no real concept of the "real world". She was never allowed to be a child. The minute she was out of school she hit the party scene hard. She's smart, and she she knows it, but at the same time, as everyone says, she has a lot of maturing to do. I think the lack of maturity plays into her "crush of the week" thing. Of course if the Rodney thing at the end was more than just a drink among friends, it may just be how Keller deals with things. Hell, I'm a guy and I can totally understand her falling for Ronon so easily. Maybe in Rodney she sees a bit of herself and has decided he might be a "safe" route for some mutual "comfort". Then again, maybe she is taking it upon herself to "teach" Rodney so he won't blow it with the next Katie. But yeah, I kinda like Keller and think the character has potential. She certainly has plenty of room to grow.

Ok, I'm ending up with way more innuendo than I intended, so I'm going to call it quits.

dasNdanger
February 8th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Not so. They get pwned by two of the baddest dudes in two galaxies.


It still doesn't make much sense, though...that a small group of Lanteans & friends are taking out thousands upon thousands of Wraith in 4 seasons' worth of episodes. Unrealistic. But that's for me to fret over next week...

When it comes to relationships - and who likes whom...it's funny how easy it is to misread dialogue and facial expressions. I was just watching the scene where Carter is making the deal with Todd (the 'Wraith humor' scene from a few episodes back). Now, if I didn't know better, I'd SWEAR Carter was smitten by Todd, just by her attitude and body language and her expressions. I was like, 'Yo, lady! Stop undressing him with your eyes!' Now, I KNOW that wasn't the case...but you could see a sort of chemistry there, which was probably based SOLELY on the actors' admiration for each other (and the enjoyable scene they were in), and NOTHING to do with pervy ideas on the part of the writers.

So, the thing between Ronon and Keller a couple weeks back - that was obvious...they took a physical liking to one another. This week, however...I think Keller was simply reaching out as a friend, and teammate. Afterall, she had just witnessed the biggest chicken of them all being a very brave man. She had to admire that, and that would naturally show in her expression, if the actress is playing it that way. I think it was just a moment where she saw something in Rodney she'd never seen before - the enlightenment of discovery - and it pleased her.

Either that, or she's just weighing her options.... :p


das

FoolishPleasure
February 8th, 2008, 09:16 PM
My take on Keller: She IS young. Her entire childhood was taken up with studying. She has no real concept of the "real world". She was never allowed to be a child. The minute she was out of school she hit the party scene hard.

She already said she never went to parties. It was a tragic time. ;)


as everyone says, she has a lot of maturing to do. I think the lack of maturity plays into her "crush of the week" thing.

Emphasize "lot" of maturing. *LOL* The "crush of the week" isn't too bright for a young girl with no concept of the real world. She needs Heightmeyer. Oh wait, the writers killed her off.


Maybe in Rodney she sees a bit of herself and has decided he might be a "safe" route for some mutual "comfort". Then again, maybe she is taking it upon herself to "teach" Rodney so he won't blow it with the next Katie.

The immature girl with no concept of the real world is going to educate an older man in the ways of love? RIGHTTTTT. :cameron:

ykickamoocow
February 8th, 2008, 09:21 PM
The immature girl with no concept of the real world is going to educate an older man in the ways of love? RIGHTTTTT. :cameron:

Or maye they could just have a "Friends with Benefits" deal. Stargate has never hat that before

Fenrir Foxz
February 8th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Or maye they could just have a "Friends with Benefits" deal. Stargate has never had that :)

:lol:

Not from what I've seen so far ;)

Rosehawk
February 8th, 2008, 09:30 PM
I thought Keller was hitting on Rodney the entire time too, but I could care less what she does. I'm a bit annoyed that it seems that Zelenka is being used as comic relief this season. So, he's a perv now, and both Sam and Keller don't like him. Nice. I never viewed him that way. He was always competent, respectable, and grounded. :cool:

Just because Zelenka tells Keller he likes how her hair smells, does not make him a perv. It's possible that Zelenka finds Keller attractive and is just bad at trying to get her attention. Makes him a tad bit odd, but definitly not a perv.
I think they should have just left the banter between Sam and Rodney. It was obvious from Quarantine that Sam and Radek did not connect on a social level so Sam's comment didn't surprise me all that much, however Keller was just way out in left field with her comment. I got the impression she was going to agree with just about anything Rodney said at that point.

Major_Griff
February 8th, 2008, 09:40 PM
Good ep. Better than I thought it would be. I liked the interaction between Keller, Carter, and McKay. I did think the beginning was a little contrived to get the three of them alone off world, but it doesn't matter to me since it was just a spring board to a great story. I liked the fact that McKay got to be heroic, even if he did whine his way through it. I liked Keller a lot more in this ep than I did in Missing, so that's good. I like how Keller's playing the field a bit, which doesn't make her the town bike or any thing. All we saw was her and Ronon almost kiss. and a little look at the end of Quarantine. And All we know his that she had a drink with Rodney, nothing wrong with that. Oh and i thought it was hilarious when Rodney said he would take Jon Stewart over Colbert and Carell. Over all 8/10.

Jeffala
February 8th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Rodney's verbal diarrhea comparing and contrasting Carter's and Keller's bodies amused me.

Chailyn
February 8th, 2008, 09:45 PM
Just because Zelenka tells Keller he likes how her hair smells, does not make him a perv. It's possible that Zelenka finds Keller attractive and is just bad at trying to get her attention. Makes him a tad bit odd, but definitly not a perv.

I see your point. That said, if a guy was following me around, trying to sniff my hair all the time, I'd be reaching for the pepper spray not just thinking about how he's an oddball. :)

I like that Zelenka comes off as a little odd, but I haven't been happy with his characterization this season. I've always liked/respected him, and I'd hate for him to be used just for chuckles. :zelenka25:

FireCat
February 8th, 2008, 09:49 PM
Rodney came out the best of the three, but that isn't saying much.

The talk about flashing, and comparing women's bodies was just juvenile, and overall this was one long borefest. Ragging on Zelenka and insinuating he is some sort of perv was unforgivable.

Most disappointing was discovering Keller's MO. Play cute and harmless, be fearful, then flirt around and get a man a day. Pitiful.

I rank this right up (or down) with "The Tower" as one of the worst episodes I've seen on this show.

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 10:01 PM
Unlucky.

fugiman
February 8th, 2008, 10:02 PM
I really liked this episode alot

It had some great laughs in it. I like the part where Keller just made McKay and Carter seem even more Nerdier

I give it a 9/10 just for the laughs I got out of it

umbai
February 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM
I really liked the "Who Would You Rather?" game bit, and agree with Rodney that Jon is more tappable than the Steves.

I also think that Rodney is remembering his pre-teen years a little hazily, because I most certainly wasn't interested in seeing women's chests as a 10-year old. Maybe he's just a South Park fan?

One plot hole, though, wouldn't Shep have sent a jumper or a recon force to go find Sam after she didn't report back and wasn't contactable by radio? Especially if they were nearly five hours overdue?

Oh, and the makeshift cannon? WIN!

kadosho
February 8th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Humbly surprised how David was a bit overshadowed by his female co-stars.
Its amazing how Jewel & Amanda just shine here (even in some awkward moments).
There haven't been many eps like this one, but its a caveat for fun.

Goes to show that as McKay, David speaks "not with his mind" sometimes.
*who hasn't been in that position before?

I think Keller's offer is more of a peace, "sealing the deal".
Maybe its about time Jewel's character has her own legs'.
Curious what other strongholds she may gain in the upcoming episodes.

With Amanda's part as Sam, we've definitely seen alot of changes.
Even getting hurt, she stayed strong no matter the obstacle.
And even close to giving McKay a wake up call. Parting jokes aside, she plays quite a role here.

majorsal
February 8th, 2008, 10:14 PM
woo hoo, loved the ep!! :D

wonderful sam stuff, i'm doing my continual falling for mckay thing, and keller is SO sweet! :sam: :mckayanime03: *needs keller smiley*

i laughed many times through out this ep, especially when mckay was trying to get out of his innocent remark about sam's weight, which went to sam having a great body, which went to so did keller, which went to some mammoth babbling, which had be LOLing the entire time. :p

another part i cracked up at was when mckay was trying to get sam to show her boobies to the boys, and when sam shot him down, he turned to keller. *great* timing with jewel that all she did was give him *the look* and yeah, loved the scene. :D

sam whumpage! what's not to love. :sam49:

mckay being brave and sexy. what's not to love. :mckayanime03:

and so keller came up with the great idea of using the boards. not bad for a non genius. ;) *insert much needed keller smiley*

my mom didn't like it that the kids got away with what they did. the only complaint i have is it ended too abruptly.

this was a fun and entertaining ep, especially for this starving sam fan :sam:





sally :D

jenks
February 8th, 2008, 10:36 PM
I really liked the "Who Would You Rather?" game bit, and agree with Rodney that Jon is more tappable than the Steves.

I also think that Rodney is remembering his pre-teen years a little hazily, because I most certainly wasn't interested in seeing women's chests as a 10-year old. Maybe he's just a South Park fan?

One plot hole, though, wouldn't Shep have sent a jumper or a recon force to go find Sam after she didn't report back and wasn't contactable by radio? Especially if they were nearly five hours overdue?

Oh, and the makeshift cannon? WIN!

If I remember correctly, they weren't five hours overdue, it was five hours until they were overdue.

morjana
February 8th, 2008, 10:43 PM
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"Trio"

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Willow'sCat
February 8th, 2008, 11:08 PM
I really enjoyed Trio. I was worried it would be all make fun of McKay and basically Sam as hero... but they all screwed up, all had plans that didn't work and they all ended up battered by the end. So as fillers go this was good.:)

Hmm, Colbert? Funny how Rodney went for the guy named Jo(h)n even though Mr Stewart wasn't mentioned.;):P Aw, at least Rodney bonded a little with the gals, I am sure he isn't use to that, well bonding in general never mind with women. :)

Carter was good in this, not a huge overpowering presence which worked perfectly for me; Keller was great! I <3 Keller! :D

I wasn't happy to hear Rodney voice his dislike for Zelenka but I think that was more about the bonding then anything, plus Rodney always has his ego to protect so I can pass that off as another McKay insecurity.

As for Keller and McKay, jeez can't a girl boost a guys ego after he has already confessed to having a recent shattered relationship (and not even realising that is what it was)? She was being nice, in my world that is not a crime. ;):)

1138
February 8th, 2008, 11:53 PM
My only thought throughout the entire episode as they came up with plan after plan was, "Where's Macgyver when you need him?"

metabog
February 9th, 2008, 12:00 AM
I can't believe Rodney asked Sam to 'show up'.

garhkal
February 9th, 2008, 12:06 AM
Wait.....good point, if she missed all the parties how does she know the beer drinking games. Do interns in medical school have a lot of time to do that sort of thing.... Oh wait, my boss just asked his new doctor if she did the bar craw at Ohio U and she confessed to it so I guess they do. But still, if she is supposed to be a social outcast, WTH?


Maybe that is WHY she is a social outcast. I know plenty of work buddies who just cause they were great drinkers were looked at as fun, but outside of drinking were very inept.


Way to go Rodney for being the tough guy for once (even if it was against his will and better judgment). He's learned so much about being a teammate. I particularly loved it when he told Sam he wasn't leaving her behind. I bet she never thought in her wildest dreams she would hear him say something like that.


That is true. He has really matured in that regard since back in the early days of season 1.


and I think Sheppard has more flirts than Keller.

What do you expect.. he is kirk in disguise..!!


Personally, I can't wait for Keller/Woolsey ship!

How dare you harass wosley so!!


I think the lack of maturity plays into her "crush of the week" thing. Of course if the Rodney thing at the end was more than just a drink among friends, it may just be how Keller deals with things. Hell, I'm a guy and I can totally understand her falling for Ronon so easily. Maybe in Rodney she sees a bit of herself and has decided he might be a "safe" route for some mutual "comfort"

That is an interesting possibility.. Much like that girl from Harmony started out crushing on shep, then switched to rodney

Platschu
February 9th, 2008, 12:10 AM
This episode was terrible, worse than the Tower or Irresponsible. I would risk the most stupidest adventure in the Atlantis series. 2/10 point. :(

morjana
February 9th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Wow, I'm surprised anyone brought that up.

Vala,

Exactly.

One of the MANY things that is drilled into you at basic training...is to take care of your feet. You can't walk/march/stealthily approach your enemy...if you've got problems with your feet.

After spending 8 years on SG1, walking mile after mile (after mile) on off-world planets, I bet Sam never forgets that foot maintenance is #1.


Morjana

Kliggins
February 9th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Run Rodney! Run! She'll be hitting on Sheppard next. ;)


Ewwww

Kliggins
February 9th, 2008, 12:25 AM
My only thought throughout the entire episode as they came up with plan after plan was, "Where's Macgyver when you need him?"

Hehehe. When they made the cannon thing, I thought, look they are MacGyvering something. :D


As for the episode:

*head-desk, head-desk, head-desk*

Where the heck did Keller get her medical degree, what idiot thought she was right for this posting and don't let her near me if I am sick, I would rather have a witch doctor.

metabog
February 9th, 2008, 12:26 AM
The effects in this one were incredible I went OMGG!!! for like 6 times, and then when they were in the shaft and the room came down and the camera zoomed in a bit, I felt like I was going to fall over. And it was a great episode overall, so many ideas and Sam fell so many times.

Linzi
February 9th, 2008, 12:53 AM
Ok. Trio.

Some nice character exchanges. Keller was fine - though the medical stuff? Oh dear.... Rodney fine, not his finest hour though - glad we found out about Katie though, Carter good, though not allowed to take command enough, IMO.

The plot? Seriously, what was MG thinking? It was like a bad McGyver episode.

I predicted each bit of the plot before it happened, and I really don't like that happening. The bit with Rodney and the grapple hook was the worst thing ever. Carter would never have let him try three times, especially after he nearly took off her head! :eek: I was rolling around on the floor laughing, because I just knew what would happen - that he'd hit the gas pipe, then hit it again causing a spark which would ignite the gas. That, to me, is lazy writing. Sorry MG :o The plot was just one giant cliché in places, which was saved by the characters themselves - just.

I did think some of the character exchanges were amusing and poor Rodney explaining his way out of accidentally insulting Keller's body! I cringed for him, ppoor man!

I never felt a real sense of danger for the characters really, which is a shame.

The kids? What was the point of that? I think most of us must have worked out that the kids weren't going to get help and to me, that just detracted from the pace of the episode. Though it's always amusing to see Rodney lose his rag!

A very mean part of me joked with the friend I watched the episode with, that Rodney should have just let go of Keller's rope as she dangled over the precipice. :lol: I don't dislike Keller at all. She's fine. Not brilliant, but not awful. But, I don't know, I couldn't help but giggle and shout that out!

One thing that is not impressive is the way the medical stuff was written. Keller examines Carter, and feels her foot, Rodney says how is she? Oh, there doesn't seem to be any nerve damage, she has feeling, but it's a very bad break, internal bleeding could be a problem, she has an hour or so.... Well, for starters, any doctor would be most concerned first about circulation, and check the pedal pulse is strong and present. Sod nerve damage, if you've got poor circulation you lose the leg and it won't matter if there's nerve damage. Then, after all that, it was a clean break! Okay. Doesn't make poor Keller look good, IMO. If it was a clean break, I think she'd most likely be able to tell from examining and palpating the leg...

I have to say, one bit of the dialogue troubled me. I'm not one who takes offence on behalf of characters usually. BUT, I really didn't like the way the characters were talking about Zelenka here. He's such a nice character, to insinuate he's some sort of perv who sniffs hair and comments on the smell of it just was waaaaay out of order. I've never seen anything on screen which would suggest to me Zelenka is anything other than a really professional, nice guy. So, that, for me, just didn't make sense, and made me pretty annoyed, to be honest. It sort of cast aspersions on Radek, and I think he's always been a great character and a lovely guy. So, yep, not impressed with that. I just sighed..."Poor Radek!"

So, a poorly written plot, with more cliché's than I thought possible. Some nice character moments, dodgy medical stuff. I'd watch it again, but only if there really was not a lot else on TV.

Mr Gero is great at science fiction writing, not action/adventure homage's to McGyver. 5/10 for me, and a disappointment. Strangley enough, I didn't miss my favourite character barely being in this at all. :confused:


EDIT: Just watched the trailer for Midway. Goodness, that looks WONDERFUL! Roll on next week :)

Agent_Dark
February 9th, 2008, 01:15 AM
prime episode

Shan Bruce Lee
February 9th, 2008, 02:07 AM
I missed the first 35 minutes of the episode :(

Second half was great though.

bluealien
February 9th, 2008, 02:34 AM
Trio... ummm. I really tried to like this ep but it just didnt hold my interest.

What was up with Rodney with the crap about Carter showing her assets. Come on.. they were just kids.. sheesh. and what was the point of the kids anyway? I also didnt like the bit about Zelenka. What on earth were the writers thinking!! I always thought that Rodney liked and respected Zelenka as well. I really didnt get the point of making fun of Zelenka in quite a disrespectful way.

Keller, again I've tried to like her but she is just not the slightest bit convincing as a CMO, let alone a general MD... the medical stuff was terrible and she has not yet once convinced me that she has any idea what she is doing.

McKay was off here, I don't know how exactly but he didnt hold my interest. The setting was ok and the special effects well done, but I lost interest in their plight after about 10 minutes. I love Carters leadership but she didn't seem to use it as effectively as I would have liked.

I guess the combination of the 3 characters used for this ep didn't hold my interest, as they are not my fav characters, so that possilbly makes me a bit biased, and I kept thinking how great it would be with Shep being whumped instead of Carter.

Some good character moments but not enough to get me to watch this ep again..

4/10

Rac80
February 9th, 2008, 02:50 AM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

LOL sure it does! I have been married 26 years to the same man (female here:P) and one of my best buds is another man! (currently serving with the US m ilitary in Iraq)

Alos I agree with all those who said it was like a bad macgyver episode and I remembered the episode from SG1 season 1 solitudes and the outtakes of AT screaming I am stuck on a glacier with macgyver! LOL

Pharaoh Atem
February 9th, 2008, 03:09 AM
Well Keller did throw out the "you really arent good at this sort of thing" which to me does not imply "gee you really arent good at drinking with your friends" but more of a "you really arent good at this getting it when a girl is hitting on you". Thats how it sounded to me. Otherwise she could have said something like "come on just shut up and get me my beer" or something.

i'm surprised there have beer on atlantis

NIKIN
February 9th, 2008, 03:52 AM
Actually, I think it was probably left ambiguous on purpose. There's a good chance that it could go either way.

I agree, it's kinda like what they did at the end of Moebius with Sam and Jack

Overall I like it, it was fun and lighthearted like some of the older episodes, it makes a change from the constant battles and saving the galaxy in every episode, sort of like the older SG1s

AutumnDream
February 9th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

For Stargate's writers, "big arc" means "character says something other than exposition regarding the current episode's plot."

The episode amused me well enough though. I don't expect much from this show but to be moderately amused for 43 minutes. It's too bad the last several episode slots have been squandered on these utterly insignificant plots when a beautiful, riveting story could have taken place instead. Of course, they will never learn so there's no point in mentioning it.

SGFerrit
February 9th, 2008, 04:27 AM
I loved this episode. Putting the three of them in that room turned out to be a great idea. Everyone got a chance to shine, and the banter was fantastic. There was loads of Carter whump! Poor woman!

Bad thing:

I'm missing Teyla. She was brilliant in SoW, but hasn't done much since then. I can totally understand why, heavily pregnant actresses shouldn't be forced into every episode of a show, but still, i miss her:( It's not so bad with Ronon because last week had lots of him

Well, looks like this will be the last fun episode of the season, it's all seriousness from here on in.

Oh, and what's up with all the Keller hate? Shep is allowed to flirt with every hot alien chick he sees, but when Keller does it with two guys in the space of a month or so she's suddenly a whore? Yeah, OK then. And I personally just saw it as a friendship moment, not a ship moment. And FYI, she is no more of a scaredy-cat then Carson the cowardly lion was, and people seemed to love him for being that way.

Anyway, Midway looks fantastic. Can't wait. And Teyla is back!

xenomorph1211
February 9th, 2008, 04:49 AM
Bah, this episode was terrible....nothing good in it...Sure it was supsenceful, but overall i'd say 2/10...

doylefan22
February 9th, 2008, 05:21 AM
I really enjoyed that one. Put them in a predicament with limited equipment and see what they can do to get out. I thought they did great work of the set too - I wonder if they had two different sets - one before and after it tilted, or an actual tilting set.

McKay was a little star throughout. I liked that he barely panicked, showed a lot of care and worry for his colleagues, came up with idea after idea to get them out and got to be the hero physically for once. I was rather proud of him - well as proud as you can be of a fictional character.

Keller was much improved too. She's not vastly interesting and a bit too girly for my liking but I didn't dislike her the way I have after her two recent major appearances so...

Good to see Carter out there and I liked how she and Rodney worked together.

The only two things that bugged me were the pointless and irritating children - they served no purpose whatsoever in the plot so why were they there? - and also the digs at Zelenka. So because he once looked at a woman's breasts he's now some sort of pervert to be laughed at? There must be an awful lot of perverts in the world.........The lack of respect there was unnecessary.

Much better than Harmony. It's been odd in a way having these limited character episodes but this one certainly bothered me less than the solely Sheppard/McKay one. It'll be good to see Teyla and Ronon back.

jds1982
February 9th, 2008, 05:47 AM
I also think that Rodney is remembering his pre-teen years a little hazily, because I most certainly wasn't interested in seeing women's chests as a 10-year old. Maybe he's just a South Park fan?

Really? I remember being much younger than that and wanting to see them. So it's probably different for everybody.

SierraGolf-OneNiner
February 9th, 2008, 05:49 AM
I hated this episode. It was one big cliché. I knew everything before it happened.

I almost turned it of in the beginning when Keller was whining about how far they had to go and if they couldn't take the jumper. Aaahhhh! I hate that character. She is so poorly written that it actually hurts to watch her. I can't believe how Jewel Staite can come to terms with herself to play such a character.

When Rodney had her life in his hands I was yelling at him to let her fall fully knowing that this wasn't the case because they made her a regular for Season 5. Bad bad decision. It's Buffy's fifth Season all over again. Michelle Trachtenberg is a great actress but her character Dawn destroyed that show. Same happens on Atlantis with the Keller Character.

Further more after hearing about who the new commander is I decided to finally quit Stargate Atlantis!!!!

The way the writers treated Sam Carter this year was more than just a slap in the face of her fans. Especially in this episode. If Sam is the commander and goes off world for once than at least let her take command. But what did TPTB do with her? They degraded her character even more. She came across like a character from a soap opera. Sorry folks but Stargate seems to die a slow and painfull death. That's it for me. I'm done with this show. No more!

Lord batchi ball
February 9th, 2008, 06:12 AM
I thought this was an ok episode. It was a little slow but still good.

I liked this episode because it was a good Rodney episode. After Lockdown i thought he was doomed for the rest of the season .

And Carter, she has seen everything, done everything, except for matigra.

sclairef99
February 9th, 2008, 06:17 AM
Wow, reading this thread - I'm suprised that not as many people liked it as I thought would.

I really enjoyed the ep. Yes, I could call most of the things that were going to happen next, but you can do that with alot of shows these days. I actually was on the edge of my seat a few times just waiting for the boxes to cave in.

I love the character interaction. Sam/Rodney was fun to watch and I think that Keller is becoming more of a character and less of a complainer. I liked the bar babe that came out. I agree that they've got to decide which way Keller is headed a bit more, but she's in development, where as S/R have bee around for many, many seasons.

I liked seeing soldier Sam in action again and being whumped on and Rodney actually being suprised. I liked that he forgot that she was a field officer for 10 years prior to this command. He got wrapped up in his action hero fantasy w/his favorite dream girl there. I loved when he wanted Sam to flash the boys. I really liked it when Keller said, start swingin' Swartenegger (I have no idea how to spell that man's name)

So, any way...I liked the ep alot!

S

s09119
February 9th, 2008, 06:19 AM
I'll be the rebel and say: 8/10

Keller: I love her! Have you all forgotten how whiny, useless, and all-around pains-in-the-butt Carson and Rodney were in Season One? All we ever heard from them was "I'm tired", "Can we take a break?", and "I don't like going offworld!".

But now that it's a new character, one you're not already in love with, you bash her to Hell for the exact same thing. That sickens me about this fandom, that people are willing to turn a blind eye for some characters but not others. Just admit Keller acted exactly as any of us probably would've and be done with it!

Anywho, I liked her plan. Makes sense that if she had no social life she'd be hanging around in a bar in college; she had no friends, so what else was she going to do? They were so close to getting out... but so far away. And it's nice to see that someone can see through McKay's ********-ish exterior to want to have a drink with him. But my guess is it was just a friends thing, and she was implying he's not very good at social interaction period.

Carter: Great to see her actually, you know, onscreen for a while! Smart thinking with the "disperse your weight" idea at the beginning, but she should have just run back for help, in reality. But this was meant to be a funny episode, so I'll look the other way.

Clooney? Really? Interesting, Sam, very interesting. I liked the game of "Would You Rather", particularly because... well, what else would they do? Seriously, if you and two friends were trapped in their position and had to spend an hour knotting rope, wouldn't you start up a game of something, too? These people are normal human beings, remember.

Although I was slightly disapointed that the woman who figured out how to blow up a sun couldn't devise a way to get out of a hole in the ground :/

McKay: Oh, poor Rodney! Stuck with two very attractive women in a cavern, all alone... I wanted to both slap and hug him at the same time when he suggested Carter flash her... parts... as I know that would certainly work to get any teenage boy to do whatever you asked.

I'm glad it was him that was the brave man at the end, slicing his hands up to make sure the others got away. It really makes you remember Season One, when he'd never sacrifice himself for others, and that's exactly what he knew might be the case here. Bravo, David!




Overall, I will be watching "Trio" again and again. The plot may have been simple, but the character interactions and wonderful dialogue truly made the episode. Even my friends, who despise science-fiction, both said how much they liked McKay by the end, how much they wish Keller would ask them for a drink, and how brave Carter was time and again in her efforts to get out.

Excellent job, Atlantis, and I look forward to "Midway".

sclairef99
February 9th, 2008, 06:22 AM
The way the writers treated Sam Carter this year was more than just a slap in the face of her fans. Especially in this episode. If Sam is the commander and goes off world for once than at least let her take command. But what did TPTB do with her? They degraded her character even more. She came across like a character from a soap opera.

Well, I disagree with this assessment. Sam is not like a regular military commander - ie, Jack, Hammond, Mitch Peleggi's character whose name escapes me. I feel because she has the scientist background that it makes her a different type of commander. She can be firm when she wants to...as in "1 hour Rodney" and when she stood up the commander of the ship when he berated one of her crew several eps ago. But I think what she was doing in this ep was pooling everyone's ideas and trying to work together instead of just pushing everyone aside and making all the decisions herself.

Just IMHO....

S

hisg1fans
February 9th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Liked the episode 9/10.

Missed Sam at the end. Why didn't they show her in a bed with her leg sticking up in a cast with Keller and McKay walking away having their conversation? I thought it odd she wasn't there.


That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

I interpreted this as a 'friend'-ly invitation, not flirtatious. IMO, contrary to popular belief, men and women CAN be 'just friends'. Plus, somebody else mentioned the upcoming interaction with Beckett. I can just imagine Rodney stumbling and bumbling trying to explain to Carson that he likes the new Doctor better than Beckett. Could be some funny interaction there.


...Ah, the big flirty scene. *cough* I think we should start a pool and bet on who gets the hit next week. Just think, now that Keller is a regular character, she should be clear through Atlantis and hitting on Todd by the end of season 5. :) Personally, I can't wait for Keller/Woolsey ship!

My bet is on Lorne next :D And for the record, I do not think she is the 'town bike'. There is nothing wrong with a single female flirting. Most especially since they show Sheppard oggling and flirting with everything that walks.


My only thought throughout the entire episode as they came up with plan after plan was, "Where's Macgyver when you need him?"

LOL! My thoughts exactly. I kept wondering where McGuyver was the whole episode too. They needed some chewing gum to get out of the hole ;) With all of the other popular culture references in the 'who would you rather game', I thought there might have been one about McGuyver and somebody else.

talyn2k1
February 9th, 2008, 06:25 AM
This was one of the episodes that I was really looking forward to, right near the top of the list along with Midway, Kindred 1 & 2, and Quarantine. imho, it didn't disappoint.

This ep reminded me of SG-1 of old, getting out of tight spots with low tech solutions and usually involving hurting one of the characters repeatedly. I'm just waiting for the usual' they're just ripping off Solitudes' comments!

Keller was annoying at the beginning, that whiny side that I really despise started coming out. But as the episodes progressed, she became less annoying.

Carter was given more to do in this episode than the rest of the season put together. Its eps like this that make me wish we could have her out in the field again. I liked that she gave Rodney the opportunity to prove himself with the grappling hook then, when he failed and nearly toasted them all, just got up and threw it through the hole repeatedly with seemingly little effort.

Rodney was at his best. Squabbling with Keller at the beginning, leaving the mundane work of tying the knots to the girls while he tried to decipher the Genii files, trying to get Carter to flash her assets to get the boys' attention, then putting his foot in his mouth about Carter's weight and the perfection of both her and Keller's bodies.
This ep showed that Rodney is not only useful when there is a scientific problem to solve, he can also hold his weight (which is apparently a little more than it should be) in situations that require physical exertion.

I liked how he and Keller seemed to have developed a mutual respect by the end of the episode. Some people have jumped to the conclusion that she now fancies Rodney just because she asked him out for a drink. I think she probably saw a side of Rodney in the ep that she didn't even know existed, although I don't think that she likes him as any more than a friend. She was just trying to show her appreciation for his saving her life and maybe she's found something in Rodney that she wants to get to know, alas not in a romantic sense.

After the relatively high-tech problems they've faced this season, it was nice to have a back to basics episode that was also a bit of fun, before we get into the seriousness of the last four episodes of the season.

10/10 from me.

Myles
February 9th, 2008, 06:29 AM
I loved this episode. Putting the three of them in that room turned out to be a great idea. Everyone got a chance to shine, and the banter was fantastic. There was loads of Carter whump! Poor woman!

Bad thing:

I'm missing Teyla. She was brilliant in SoW, but hasn't done much since then. I can totally understand why, heavily pregnant actresses shouldn't be forced into every episode of a show, but still, i miss her:( It's not so bad with Ronon because last week had lots of him

Well, looks like this will be the last fun episode of the season, it's all seriousness from here on in.

Oh, and what's up with all the Keller hate? Shep is allowed to flirt with every hot alien chick he sees, but when Keller does it with two guys in the space of a month or so she's suddenly a whore? Yeah, OK then. And I personally just saw it as a friendship moment, not a ship moment. And FYI, she is no more of a scaredy-cat then Carson the cowardly lion was, and people seemed to love him for being that way.

Anyway, Midway looks fantastic. Can't wait. And Teyla is back!

Green for you! :jack_new_anime18:

I agree completely and am so sick of the Keller bashing. She's not all that different then Carson was. And flirting with a couple of guys in the space of a month in not a whore! My gosh what a judmnental world we live in.

hisg1fans
February 9th, 2008, 06:32 AM
...
After the relatively high-tech problems they've faced this season, it was nice to have a back to basics episode that was also a bit of fun, before we get into the seriousness of the last four episodes of the season.

10/10 from me.

Oh man!. There are only 4 episodes left? :(

I didn't realize there were so few. Bummer.

mizzoueng
February 9th, 2008, 06:32 AM
All in all I thought the episode was a 5/10. Not good, but not bad.

The three of them working together was a little odd. When Kelle started taking her clothes off and then stopped, Rodney did look a little "disappointed".

I thought the kids were just a distraction, I thought they would say something about how it was going to effect the trade relations with the people of that world.

As for how Keller acted at the end, I think she was just making a comment on how Rodney has no experience with women. They mentioned that he essentially "broke up" with Katie and he didn't know it. I thought she was just saying "Jesus, just shut up and buy me a beer, no wonder it didn't work out with Katie if this is how you respond to women".

Lastly, I think they should have expanded on what the Genii were mining for. There shold be trace elements of what they were mining in the rocks around the tunnells. Maybe they found a neutronium deposit and are working with RepliWeir to make more Good Asurans in turn for the RepliWeirs to defeat the Wraith.

silly sally
February 9th, 2008, 06:48 AM
Why did both Carter and Keller had to check out Rodney thru the hole? One of them would have been enough.

prion
February 9th, 2008, 06:57 AM
Rodney came out the best of the three, but that isn't saying much.

The talk about flashing, and comparing women's bodies was just juvenile, and overall this was one long borefest. Ragging on Zelenka and insinuating he is some sort of perv was unforgivable.


Just when I think McKay might be maturing,he devolves again into the pre-teen boy wanting to get a look. Of course, he bounced back pretty well in "Harmony," just after "Quarantine," so if he didn't think he'd broke up with Katie in "Trio," was he just being a jerk in "Harmony" thinking abuot dibs on sister #3? Well, he is a man...


It was kind of hard to miss...they practically zoomed in on her foot!!;) Not to mention that the nail polish was like a bike reflector and caught what little light there was in the room which totally made it obvious that she had nail polish on in the first place!!

If they'd been smart, they would have shown a flashlight on the bit toenail, aimed it toward the hole in the ceiling, and the blinding stream of light would have atttracted help, or started a forest fire, whichever came first ;)

As to remarks about Keller being cheap and easy or a 'ho,' well, this train of thought seems no different than Sheppard being labeled the same for must smiling at some women. *cough*

gatechick
February 9th, 2008, 07:03 AM
This was an okay episode. There were some really good barbs between the actors, and I found myself laughing many times, but all in all I found it boring, and I was really looking forward to this ep. What have the writers done to Carter? I know she said her character would step back and let McKay do his thing, but last night, that was not the Carter I have grown to love. I don't know her character seems so different, and I cannot put my finger on it, but when I do I will comment more. Keller is being wasted. She is presented as sort of a fluff. McKay is good, his comments are in line with his character. Hoepfully next week's ep, which I cannot wait for, will be better.

silly sally
February 9th, 2008, 07:10 AM
Sam should have pulled rank and not let mckay trow that anchor

Myles
February 9th, 2008, 07:14 AM
Sam should have pulled rank and not let mckay trow that anchor

I hoped she would after he about hit them the first time, but she knows Rodney and didn't want to hurt his pride. He wanted to believe after being out in the field for 4 years he could do anything that Sam could. Maybe she thought he'd get lucky;)

Rosehawk
February 9th, 2008, 07:16 AM
I see your point. That said, if a guy was following me around, trying to sniff my hair all the time, I'd be reaching for the pepper spray not just thinking about how he's an oddball. :)
Yep I would agree. I just kind of assumed that it was during medical visits that Zelenka was close enough to Keller to smell her hair! :P


I like that Zelenka comes off as a little odd, but I haven't been happy with his characterization this season. I've always liked/respected him, and I'd hate for him to be used just for chuckles. :zelenka25:
I think this is the first episode where I really didn't like how they handled his character.

jckfan55
February 9th, 2008, 07:16 AM
Enjoyable, light episode. Good to see Carter getting something to do and I enjoyed seeing Rodney's ranting kept somewhat under control. I liked that they all contributed to finding a solution. I thought Carter might have been a bit too patient with Rodney's efforts to throw the grappling hook thing--total set up for the gas pipe thing. I didn't like the cracks about Zelenka. I don't think Sam would make a mean comment about a subordinate like that--I thought she would have at least said something like "well, he's not much of a conversationalist" or something to clarify.
The whole thing with the kids coming to look but not help seemed kind of dumb to me.
Keller was not too bad, though she didn't seem to be carrying many medical supplies given that she's a doctor after all. I also wondered since when is she someone who hangs out at bars?--I thought she was supposed to be so shy. :S

doylefan22
February 9th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Green for you! :jack_new_anime18:

I agree completely and am so sick of the Keller bashing. She's not all that different then Carson was. And flirting with a couple of guys in the space of a month in not a whore! My gosh what a judmnental world we live in.

I think the major difference is that Carson was just someone who people warmed to and found instantly likeable whereas that hasn't happened with Keller. No real reason why but the character and the way she's portrayed obviously hasn't clicked with a large number of people yet and so faults, which are ignored or understood on a more well loved character, are irritations here.

Calling her a whore is utterly daft and hideously biased so I agree with you there. She's certainly not my favourite character but I definitely didn't think that from the episode. My only thoughts were 'I hope they don't make her female Sheppard!' :)

Klenotka
February 9th, 2008, 08:06 AM
An average. I liked how Carter and McKay worked together in the beginning and that Keller didn´t suddenly become "big off-world expert".

I kind of liked it but I hated their talk about Zelenka :( Rodney would never, ever say that he doesn´t like him. And it almost looked like that Sam really doesn´t like him. It was worse that Zelenka wasn´t in this episode. Not highlight for me.
Points for Teyla not being there. I think whole their "story-arc" for Teyla is gone and I can understand that in high stage of pregnancy can´t be there so often. But if someone said in next episode "Teyla died off-world", I guess that many non-hardcore fans would ask "Who is Teyla?"

The end was too fast.

That´s it, can we FINALLY get some promising story-arc? I think in 16th episode would be time.

Vala_M
February 9th, 2008, 08:11 AM
Why would it be awkward? I might be alone on this, but all the way through the ep I thought she was flirting with him, especially after she found out he had broken up with Kate. Notice the little 'she needs a great guy, like you' or something to that effect, line? I don't think it's anything serious, I don't even think he's going to get laid, but I definitely think it was a flirty invitation for a drink rather than a friendly one.

I agree, I got that feeling as well. First she asks how him and Katie were and when she heard they were broken up she went in on that.


It was kind of hard to miss...they practically zoomed in on her foot!!;) Not to mention that the nail polish was like a bike reflector and caught what little light there was in the room which totally made it obvious that she had nail polish on in the first place!!

I know that but I figured it wouldn't be worth mentioning but I was wrong.

Vala,

Hypochondriac
February 9th, 2008, 08:14 AM
It was an ok episode. Didn't like how they put down Zelenka. he's my favorite character in the show.

What I hated is that they both got on the ground right next to the whole. At the very least they should have been separated by a few feet. That stupid 1h to live for Carter. Check for the pulses in the leg if there intact chances of internal bleeding are slim it could be from a vein, but I doubt that will result in bleeding to death. Realize they put those in for the plot but still hated it.

Don't really think Keller was flirting with Mckay. A girl and guy can get drinks without being in a relationship. She might be interested in Mckay a bit but wasn't flirting in my opinion.

Loved when Mckay ran into trouble because Carter was too heavy

SGFerrit
February 9th, 2008, 08:19 AM
An average. I liked how Carter and McKay worked together in the beginning and that Keller didn´t suddenly become "big off-world expert".

I kind of liked it but I hated their talk about Zelenka :( Rodney would never, ever say that he doesn´t like him. And it almost looked like that Sam really doesn´t like him. It was worse that Zelenka wasn´t in this episode. Not highlight for me.
Points for Teyla not being there. I think whole their "story-arc" for Teyla is gone and I can understand that in high stage of pregnancy can´t be there so often. But if someone said in next episode "Teyla died off-world", I guess that many non-hrdcore fans would ask "Who is Teyla?"

The end was too fast.

That´s it, can we FINALLY get some promising story-arc? I think in 16th episode would be time.

MGM promo shots for Midway revealed Teyla will be in that ep, but in what capacity we do not know. She plays a big part in the Kindred and The Kindred Part II, and that forwards her storyline greatly, from what I have read.

Vala_M
February 9th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Is it Kindred yet? Seriously, these last 4 eps have been the most disappointing and uninventive stretch of filler I've seen on SGA, period. I've read fanfics better than this ep. :S

And you know what the biggest problem is, at least in the last 3 eps? No B plot. Harmony had only Shep and McKay's story, Outcast was all Shep and Ronon's story, now Trio was all Carter, McKay, and Keller's story. The rest of the characters are forgotten, their development cast to the wayside. What happened to that big Teyla arc? Where's Teyla, period? :teyla30:

I don't mind single story episodes. But personally, I hate how in A and B story episodes both things go on at the same time but they're shown as if they're not. It's hard to explain but what happens at the same time for the A story as the B story happens right after the next leading the audience to think it happens after when they really happen at the same time.

Vala,

Jeffala
February 9th, 2008, 08:25 AM
"Meanwhile, in another part of the city..."

:P

SGFerrit
February 9th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Green for you! :jack_new_anime18:

I agree completely and am so sick of the Keller bashing. She's not all that different then Carson was. And flirting with a couple of guys in the space of a month in not a whore! My gosh what a judmnental world we live in.

Indeed.


Oh man!. There are only 4 episodes left? :(

I didn't realize there were so few. Bummer.

I know:( This season has flown by. But I can't wait for what is left:)

drake122
February 9th, 2008, 08:33 AM
Trio is the WORST episode in SGA. Ever. Seriously. I want those 45 mins. of my life back. Duh...


- Carter throws the grappling hook, pulls it once and it falls back, along with like 5 cubic meters of dirt, but when the 4 kids arrive, the ground magically doesn't collapse beneath them
- not to mention you can't possibly throw a grappling hook to a height of 30 feet with that lousy technique Carter used
- all three of them fall 30 feet (and land on each other) but no one is injured at all
- the crates are so heavy Rodney can barely lift them, yet when they break under Sam's weight you can clearly see they are empty
- when Carter first finds rope they have barely enough to cover for the distance they've fallen, but during Keller's 'free beer' idea (or when the rocket launcher is used) they have considerably more rope available
- the rocket launcher idea would probably have killed them all if they ever tried it in real life


Terrible, terrible episode. At least it had some humor and good special effects. Stargate was once a great show, very entertaining to watch. Now, it's the exact opposite. I sincerely hope Robert Picardo and the new S5 cast will add a little bit of 'life' into it.

Dr.Jonsson
February 9th, 2008, 08:42 AM
A question here, why did they take thier Omega vest off, and leave them in the chamber?

kymeric
February 9th, 2008, 08:52 AM
lol @ the flash ure boobs thing
lol @ the rambling further into the femaledisapproval black hole
lol @ carter not liking Zelenka

Rodney sucks at throwing a grapple hook, i mean he actually made something blow up by throwing a rope. Carter totally owned him on the rope throwing.

That cups/knives thing was crazy. Im like wtf that worked? Guess i owe someone a beerz

ROFL at rodney being afraid of the who would u do game, then later freely naming men. I loled and said... that is soo gay (not that theres ne thing wrong with that)

Bet the shippers r foaming at the mouth for that ending, its good to stir the pot now and then XD

Oh and Keller who had no childhood has more social skills and XP than rodney, lulz. Sounds about rite.

AGateFan
February 9th, 2008, 08:52 AM
A question here, why did they take thier Omega vest off, and leave them in the chamber?
Well I cant remember if they took them off or not but if they didnt that would be sort of silly as those things can be kind of heavy. They should have removed all the dead weight they could to help Mckay out.

cabouse18
February 9th, 2008, 08:55 AM
Well I cant remember if they took them off or not but if they didnt that would be sort of silly as those things can be kind of heavy. They should have removed all the dead weight they could to help Mckay out.

I'm pretty sure that they used them as weights when Keller came up with the bar trick idea. Those things do look heavy enough do that;)

s09119
February 9th, 2008, 09:05 AM
Bold:


Trio is the WORST episode in SGA. Ever. Seriously. I want those 45 mins. of my life back. Duh...


- Carter throws the grappling hook, pulls it once and it falls back, along with like 5 cubic meters of dirt, but when the 4 kids arrive, the ground magically doesn't collapse beneath them

The hook was pulling down loose dirt; the surface itself wasn't unstable anywhere except where they fell in.

- not to mention you can't possibly throw a grappling hook to a height of 30 feet with that lousy technique Carter used

Oh, just enjoy it...

- all three of them fall 30 feet (and land on each other) but no one is injured at all

They didn't land on each other, and people have walked away from things like that before. Again, just enjoy it.

- the crates are so heavy Rodney can barely lift them, yet when they break under Sam's weight you can clearly see they are empty

Um... large wooden crates are heavy. You try lifting one the size of some they were lifting and then tell me it's easy. The wood could've been pretty thick, too. It adds up.

- when Carter first finds rope they have barely enough to cover for the distance they've fallen, but during Keller's 'free beer' idea (or when the rocket launcher is used) they have considerably more rope available

The rocket launch, yes, they did have more. But in the free beer idea they used the same amount of rope, it looks like, they just lifted the planks one at a time, then tossed it to someone else.

- the rocket launcher idea would probably have killed them all if they ever tried it in real life

Why...? It was sealed at one end and the gas could escpae through the top, so it seems perfectly plausible to me. They've done similar on MythBusters and been fine.

Terrible, terrible episode. At least it had some humor and good special effects. Stargate was once a great show, very entertaining to watch. Now, it's the exact opposite. I sincerely hope Robert Picardo and the new S5 cast will add a little bit of 'life' into it.

Southern Red
February 9th, 2008, 09:25 AM
I liked this episode a lot more than I expected to. It was an enjoyable hour, though I doubt I'll watch it again...well maybe I'll take another quick peek at that lollipop scene. ;)

Good:
Sharp witty dialogue for the most part
Even though you knew what was about to happen, I got a sense of danger at times.
Hero Rodney
Sam was at her best of the season
Keller was cute after she stopped whining so much


Bad:
Hated hated with the heat of an infinite number of suns the degrading of Zalenka. What were the writers thinking?
That stupid game of who would you ... what are they, teenage girls at a slumber party? And I cringed all through it because I knew they would drag Rodney into it to please the slashers. Can't we admit that he likes women and give the slash a rest?

The impression that my husband and I got of the final scene was that Keller was kind of coaching Rodney a bit in picking up on a woman's signals. I never thought she was hitting on him, and I don't think he did either. But this plus her drinking game was a bit inconsistent from what we learned about her in Quarantine. I went to college in the 70's, and I don't know that game. LOL. Though there are a few missing pieces from those years. *iz puzzled* I have always felt that the frat boy mentality of the people who make this show sometimes gets out of hand and this episode proves it. Most 10 year old boys I know when confronted with a bare chested woman would run home screaming "stranger danger!" Hmm... maybe they should have done it.

And IMHO the "John is a ho" argument is getting a bit old also.

Heaven
February 9th, 2008, 09:38 AM
self-righteousness befalls Atlantis ?
Teyla must be infectious

didn't they hear ? you can't help somebody who doesn't want your help
they should have left that settlement be, warning them was more than enough

when those kids didn't want to help them I thought they got what they deserved

drake122
February 9th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Bold:

Sorry man, but you can't make me 'just enjoy' this sorry excuse for an episode. Hoping for something better next time...

1138
February 9th, 2008, 10:09 AM
LOL! My thoughts exactly. I kept wondering where McGuyver was the whole episode too. They needed some chewing gum to get out of the hole ;) With all of the other popular culture references in the 'who would you rather game', I thought there might have been one about McGuyver and somebody else.

"Richard Dean Anderson or Kurt Russell?"

silly sally
February 9th, 2008, 10:14 AM
"Richard Dean Anderson or Kurt Russell?"

or
"Richard Dean Anderson or Ben BRowder?"

Southern Red
February 9th, 2008, 10:16 AM
"Richard Dean Anderson or Kurt Russell?"

McGuyver came up at my house. I guess Carter learned nothing after all those years with him. LOL. And as to your question, I'd have to flip a coin because they are both about my age and just keep getting hotter. Maybe Kurt

jelgate
February 9th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Sorry man, but you can't make me 'just enjoy' this sorry excuse for an episode. Hoping for something better next time...

Could have been worse. We could have had to warch Harmony again.

Andylkl
February 9th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Last week it was Stargate Terminator and this week we had Stargate Indiana "McGuyver" Jones. I keep getting surprises week after week, and luckily it was a good thing. Loved this episode!

Wilson3Girl
February 9th, 2008, 11:14 AM
I loved Trio!
I'm a big fan of McKay and Sam together, and I like Keller a lot, so I can understand if those characters aren't your faves, why this eppy wouldn't float your boat.
I also don't mind the more 'quiet' episodes, where our gang is not being
chased by bad guys, avoiding the Wraith or dodging bullets, so yeah, I loved the change of pace.
I love the Sam-McKay dynamic. Those two 'get' each other. Love them. Sam and Shep are the only ones that really understand Rodney, and all his idiosyncracies, now that Carson and Elizabeth are gone. So yeah, I like watching them play off of one another.
I didn't see Keller's invitation to get a drink with McKay as a date. It seemed friendly to me. I saw it as "Rodney, for cryin' out loud, I'm trying to go have a beer with you, can't you SEE that?!" I guess we'll see if anything else transpires. I knew when I saw that last night that I'd come to the forum and see a lot of conflicting takes on that scene though. It's been fun to read them all. However, I do agree with the posters that have said if Shep and Rodney can flirt with women (and they do!) then Keller is allowed to flirt with men. It's only fair---and she's got good taste imho! :)
I didn't think the kids were necessary---they were very close to the hole and I was fearful that they'd fall in as well----but I guess Marty G had no other way to work in the 'show your boobies' jokes. I didn't take offense to those jokes, and I'm female. I laughed out loud. Amanda and Jewel played that scene quite nicely.
I do miss seeing the team together. I know its due to Rachel's pregnancy and shooting schedules involving Amanda, but the gang has been split up for a few weeks now, and I'd like to see them together again soon.
Looking forward to seeing Teal'c next week!
Good episode!

Wilson3Girl

NATIK
February 9th, 2008, 11:22 AM
I was bored out of my mind in this episode.

I actually stopped watching it after 29 minutes and said "screw this I have better things to do", which is the very first time ever I have done that.

There was alot of things I didnt like about those 29 minutes, way to many to make a list so I will just say I think it was unbelievably bad.

ykickamoocow
February 9th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that as sson as McKay suggested making their cloths into some rope Keller started stripping down immediately. She certainly didnt have a problem with McKay seeing her in her underwear.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Well this was defiantly not what I expected going in to this ep. While watching I expected that the fan base would be split and I was right. This was a very well done episode from start to finish. This had a lot of character development for Carter, Keller and Mckay. I already like Keller but she really grew in this one. I did not see her comment at the start as whining. It worked very well with Rodney's complaining. I can understand her not used to walking so much. This was a very well written ep and the special effects were top notch. Great acting by AT in this one. The comedy was priceless especially Mckays face when he didn't get his peep show twice!;) Poor Rodney. I can understand the confusion at the end with Keller and Rodney and I think the perception on that could go either way. I think it was just friendly drink though it could be bit more. This had constant peril, drama and comedy. This ep was very well done. 10/10

Rellogg
February 9th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Overall, I liked TRIO.

The good:

Great setting; dusty and dingy; almost smelled the mildew
Nice humor; loved Sam and Keller teasing Rodney. And Rodney's gaff on weight, body type, etc was cute Rodney
Spotlight on each one as they tried differerent solutions
Plausible story; Sam doing the Leader of Atlantis thing, going offworld to speak to locals
Resolution was neatly done, Rodney saves the day finally
Keller pressing Rodney for that beer, nice!


I'm with you on all these moments.

I laughed out loud more then a few times. Very funny.

This episode is a highlight for me in this season so far, not to mention a highlight for all the seasons episodes. Great job!

Rellogg
February 9th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Did anyone else notice that as sson as McKay suggested making their cloths into some rope Keller started stripping down immediately. She certainly didnt have a problem with McKay seeing her in her underwear.

That was so funny, cause when Carter says she found rope McKay's all disappointed cause Keller was so close to having her shirt off.

hisg1fans
February 9th, 2008, 11:58 AM
"Richard Dean Anderson or Kurt Russell?"

Richard Dean Anderson THEN Kurt Russell ;)

hisg1fans
February 9th, 2008, 11:59 AM
or
"Richard Dean Anderson or Ben BRowder?"

Richard Dean Anderson THEN .......Kurt Russell again ;) ;) ;)

ykickamoocow
February 9th, 2008, 12:01 PM
That was so funny, cause when Carter says she found rope McKay's all disappointed cause Keller was so close to having her shirt off.

I think most of the male audience was disappointed. Though that scene did prove 1 of 2 things.

1. Keller isnt shy at all
2. Keller just doesnt mind it if McKay see's her in her underwear.

derrickh
February 9th, 2008, 12:05 PM
I enjoyed this episode, mostly because it shows that the producers of Atlantis are finally taking chances. I dont kow whether to give credit to the show runners or if it was Jewel Staite's decision, but to portray Dr. Keller as a sexually promiscuous woman is daring to say the least. Its rare that a television show has the guts to show that a woman can be educated, have a career, and still have a healthy, non-commital love life.

In shows like this, its usually the men who are paired up with multiple women during the course of a season, but already, Keller has at least 2 notches on her belt. Bravo! Her conquest of Rodney at the end of this episode is a nice contrast to her tryst with Ronan in Quarantine.

Hopefully in the future we'll get to see more of Keller's wanton love life.

D

umbai
February 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM
If I remember correctly, they weren't five hours overdue, it was five hours until they were overdue.

I remember Carter saying it was thirty-five minutes until their first check-in, and then she and McKay had a discussion on whether or not their radios would work.

A commercial break or two later, it's been almost five hours. I'm guessing either the radios didn't work or the rest of Atlantis was too busy throwing a party to celebrate Carter getting out to notice that they hadn't checked in.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I think most of the male audience was disappointed. Though that scene did prove 1 of 2 things.

1. Keller isnt shy at all
2. Keller just doesnt mind it if McKay see's her in her underwear.

Yeah a little but only cause we've already seen Carter that wy only fair to see Keller.

g.o.d
February 9th, 2008, 12:27 PM
This ep was very well done. 10/10

is there any episode you don't like?

Moneypenny
February 9th, 2008, 12:40 PM
I enjoyed this episode, mostly because it shows that the producers of Atlantis are finally taking chances. I dont kow whether to give credit to the show runners or if it was Jewel Staite's decision, but to portray Dr. Keller as a sexually promiscuous woman is daring to say the least. Its rare that a television show has the guts to show that a woman can be educated, have a career, and still have a healthy, non-commital love life.

In shows like this, its usually the men who are paired up with multiple women during the course of a season, but already, Keller has at least 2 notches on her belt. Bravo! Her conquest of Rodney at the end of this episode is a nice contrast to her tryst with Ronan in Quarantine.

Hopefully in the future we'll get to see more of Keller's wanton love life.

D

I think you may want to check the dictionary for the correct definitions of "conquest" and "tryst"...

Also "promiscuous" and "sex".

All she did was ask the guy to get a drink with her.

McKay asked Sheppard to grab a bite with him at the end of "Miller's Crossing" while he was still with Katie, does that make him a sexually promiscuous tramp type as well? :rolleyes:

Someone can feel free to check my math, but in four years, the number of times we've seen any main character on this show "paired up" (meaning actual sexual contact and/or in a relationship) with someone else would probably barely count up to all ten fingers.

Tiffany
February 9th, 2008, 12:44 PM
'Trio' (416).. aka (how to fall 30' down and not die)

I did enjoy watching McKay, Carter, and Keller fall. I think Carter bounced higher than the others but she had more practice as she fell 3 times!
I was hoping Keller would have been splatted, Mckay should have landed on her then got up, turned around and look at her dead body and say 'Thank goodness she broke my fall I'm too important to die'

The 4 kids bothered me..why have them there? They should have fallen too! It would have made sense.

Other than that it was a 2/10....just another filler episode,season 4 is Bad!

jelgate
February 9th, 2008, 12:47 PM
is there any episode you don't like?

Is their any episode you don't hate;)

marielabbott
February 9th, 2008, 12:47 PM
I haven’t read hardly any of this thread, so I don’t know yet what most people thought. But I’m putting this episode in the list of disappointing ones for this season.

I’m getting rather tired of episodes that focus only on a few characters, not the entire expedition or even Sheppard’s team. There have been many episodes this year that have done that: Travelers, Missing, Miller’s Crossing, Harmony, Outcast. There was less of this in previous seasons and more of a utilization of the ensemble cast, which I enjoy a lot more. So the premise of this episode did not thrill me.

I found the episode rather boring as well. I don’t expect, nor do I want, space battles every week, but I’m not exactly excited by the sight of three characters playing “Who would you rather?” Reminds me of high school slumber parties, and we quickly tired of that game even then.

We have two genius astrophysicist (is that Carter’s education, I’m not sure), and they cannot figure out how to solve the short boards problem, but Keller does so with a bar trick? That seems unlikely. It seems like the writers wanted to make sure Keller had something to contribute, but that seemed forced. Keller still contributed with her medical knowledge and by being brave enough to swing across the chasm to the mine shaft. It’s forced things like this that make me dislike the character. But maybe she’s not supposed to be a likeable character; certainly not all of the “heroes” on a show have to be. But usually those characters are of the “love to hate” variety, and I think Keller is supposed to be portrayed as likeable. It also looked like Keller was basically asking McKay out on an informal date at the end, and after Ronon almost kissed her and told her she reminded him of his lost love, I thought that just wasn’t classy, to say the least. (I read that comment on JM’s blog that she’s still single, but there’s nothing onscreen to tell us that.)

Why were they picking on Zelenka? Seemed random and unnecessary. And McKay’s encouraging Carter to flash kids? :rolleyes:

The one thing I did really like about the episode was Rodney physically saving the day, especially after Keller ragged on him at the beginning of the episode. But that just wasn’t enough to save it for me.

magicfrizbees
February 9th, 2008, 12:50 PM
What was the point of introducing us to the mining planet M5B801 and the prospect of imminent peril to an indigenous settlement who had once been involved in mining for the Genii? Nothing came of it.

If the locals were important enough (to Atlantis) to warrant further "negotiation", then follow through with it. If not, then why send another team at all?

As it stands, the matter is dropped - or resolved when the settlement drops into the chasm - off-screen. We don't leave people behind, unless they are a part of a contrived plot premise that involves people we never actually see (other than some faces through a hole in the plot, er, ground).

sueKay
February 9th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Quite liked this episode

Liked McKay and Carter
Liked them having to figure out something without their computers for a change

Disliked the Zelenka bashing
Disliked the 'bar trick'

Still not Warming to Keller

Finally warming to SGA!Carter, but I'm peeved they didn't manage an episode like this sooner

g.o.d
February 9th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Is their any episode you don't hate;)


yes, the whole Season 1

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM
is there any episode you don't like?

Is there an ep that I hate no. Are there eps I like better than others yes but none that are not rewatchable.

derrickh
February 9th, 2008, 01:10 PM
I think you may want to check the dictionary for the correct definitions of "conquest" and "tryst"...

Also "promiscuous" and "sex".

All she did was ask the guy to get a drink with her.

McKay asked Sheppard to grab a bite with him at the end of "Miller's Crossing" while he was still with Katie, does that make him a sexually promiscuous tramp type as well? :rolleyes:

Someone can feel free to check my math, but in four years, the number of times we've seen any main character on this show "paired up" (meaning actual sexual contact and/or in a relationship) with someone else would probably barely count up to all ten fingers.


You really think that they'll have a graphic sex scene on Atlantis? Its not gonna happen. But we're all intelligent adults, and its obvious that Keller and Mckay 'hooked up' later that night. The same way she and Ronan got it on in Quarantine. You can check your math, but the way I do arithmetic, the odds of all of these young, healthy, attractive people being practically celibate for 4 years is slim to none.

I didnt say Kellar was a 'tramp'. But its clear that she has a healthy attitude towards sex and isnt afraid of pursuing her desires. Wow, go figure, she's a human being.

She was about to take off her top without a second thought. She initiated the 'Who would you rather have sex with' game. She hooked up with Rodney. None of those are negative things.

D

gatechick
February 9th, 2008, 01:16 PM
In the episode guide on this website, they wrote that there would be a hint of what is going on in Sam's love life. Where was it? Did anyone catch it? For the life of me, I was glued to the set, but not heard anything. Unless that game they were playing was the answer. Sam kept choosing the older guys.

jelgate
February 9th, 2008, 01:25 PM
In the episode guide on this website, they wrote that there would be a hint of what is going on in Sam's love life. Where was it? Did anyone catch it? For the life of me, I was glued to the set, but not heard anything. Unless that game they were playing was the answer. Sam kept choosing the older guys.

It was cut for time purposes. JM did say he would eventually post the scene on his blog.

Skydiver
February 9th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Mitchell, God

take it to PM.

Detox
February 9th, 2008, 01:32 PM
That's what bugged me. Since Keller is all flirty with Ronon (and dating as we are led to believe?), then she shouldn't be "best buds" with another man.

It, uh, doesn't work that way.

Huh... guessing you don't really know how relationships and friendships work.

Skydiver
February 9th, 2008, 01:33 PM
IMHO, keller is hardly promiscious, she's a flirt.

big difference.

she's only be promiscious if she was having sex with the guys.

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 01:38 PM
this was another ep where I had to laugh so many times (the other one being Quarantine). I was glad to finally see a lot of Sam, it's been a while since The Seer aired and she did great. Rodney...was Rodney, same as always :P the person that really impressed me was Keller because this was the opposite of what we saw in Missing. obviously she can't stand people that are trying to kill her but has no problems with heights

Rodney's disappointment when Sam found the rope and Keller stopped undressing was just awesome. also when he said 'maybe you should show them your...' I just love how Sam told him it wouldn't happen and he turns to Keller and she's like 'forget it Rodney' :P of course the next idea doesn't work either but kudos to Keller for suggesting it. then Sam brakes her leg and again it's Rodney who just can't shut up and tries to explain why their bodies are in perfect shape (though he's totally right about Sam :D). I almost died of laughter, especially when Sam tells him he won't have to choose between them

the end was pretty cool imo, I sure didn't expect Keller to find another way out and stay calm. it's been awhile so I'm glad that for once Rodney saves the day. although he apparently doesn't like to swing ('come on Schwarzenegger, start swinging'). wow there were just so many great scenes and jokes. bottom line I really enjoyed the ep and am really looking forward to Midway

Klenotka
February 9th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I liked it more than I expected. I was pleasently suprised.

As other SGA S4 episodes, I think I will watch this only once, or twice, not more.

But, I liked how they handled this one. Sam and Rodney worked very well in the beginning, while Keller stood there, nervous, not some big off-world veteran.
I didn´t like how they tried to make fun from Rodney with the "I have more field experience". He does, almost four years. Again, they write him different in every episode.

It was interesting to watch them how they try to get out but the end was too fast. Just the tunnel and then they were suddenly in the infirmary. Rodney was, except two babbling attacks fine. The chat about Katie was nice, it wasn´t humiliating or embarassing, just normal. Also the games "who would you choose" was nice - and both chose George Clooney :D Great choice :D

I HATED how they spoke about Zelenka. It really looked like Sam dislikes him and Rodney would never, ever say he doesn´t like him when we all know that he thinks about him as about a friend. It was insulting, especially when Zelenka wasn´t in that episode to defend himself. (I like you, Martin Gero but, dude, you really made Czech fans angry by this one)

I think it would deserve better resolution (I hoped they will find some Genii super-secret or something) or maybe two episodes. So just normal filler and I really think they should move. And to see whole team together again!

binkpmmc
February 9th, 2008, 01:51 PM
Okay I only read a few posts on this episode and it may indeed be that I will be in the very small minority but here goes:

TRIO - I do believe it would have been impossible for me to be any more disappointed in this episode. I could not believe that they would actually take an off-world opportunity with Carter and all of that time with Carter (when so many other eps had been so limited in what they could do with her) and give us this dreck. It was puerile and useless at best.

Yes maybe Carter was strong as a leader which it took a lot for me to see but it was there after you pushed through the pre-pubescent Rodney crap, the Keller in peril is scared crap and the absolutely waste of time on who each would make out if they had to - OMG please deliver me from this crap. At least now I know better what the conversation in the writer's room sounds like because that is pretty much all I kept thinking - this must be the way these people talk on-set (and that is directed at everyone writers, directors, producers, actors, etc.)

They could not have given Carter a meaty role off-world that would clearly have highlighted her leadership qualities by confronting an ambush by an enemy and having to keep the disaterously bad duo of Rodney and Keller alive, out of trouble, focused while also fighting the enemy - no we had to listen to Rodney go on about their (Carter and Keller's) bodies which just about had me ready to throw-up - and worse than this little ridiculous rant we had to listen to him insult Carter with that crap about 10 year old boys and then when he went ahead and mentioned it a second time -- I swear if he had been standing in front of me I would have lit him up for that one. That stuff with the kids was so useless and just filler for Rodney's crudeness it was embarrassing (I imagine the conversation like this "how can we set-up a comment by McKay about Carter's boobs? Oooh I know let's have a couple of young boys come upon the hole and then Rodney let's loose his 10 year old personality".)

OMG I am so disappointed that this actually makes me very happy that Carter will no longer be part of this show on a regular basis if this is the best they could come up with for an ep that was supposed to be focused on her -- we got at least 30 minutes of Carter on-screen and it, IMO, was wasted, just wasted. IMO it certainly did not do much for her leadership role or any arc in the show and it once again, IMO, showed McKay in a horrible light and before this I thought Keller was okay and could stand her but boy was I wrong this just killed Keller for me - I am so disappointed.

I did give this show a chance but I can see the same nonsense that brought SG-1 down has permeated SGA in many ways. I was so looking forward to a strong leader ep showing Carter in full-bird hero mode and we get who would you make out with in a pinch, and show 'em your boobs, and that crap with the Zalenka comment which just made her look bad (and the other 2 as well when you heard and saw what they had to say about him - Keller's facial expression said it all). I almost spit at the TV when she admitted she was not thinking about how to get out she was focused on not screaming and also the part after she fell the second time she actually utters the words we're in trouble as if she was giving up (more a line I would have expected from McKay or Keller not Carter after her 10 years of facing death, at times actually dying and coming back, saving the world umpteen times, etc.) - how low can they go with Carter I wonder, we may get to see in the season 5 premiere.

The only suspense left at the end of the day was how many more times did they contemplate sending Carter 20 feet in the air to let her drop. Aside from that I kept wondering how could they each fall at least 20 ft at least twice and not have a visisble scratch especially with all that wood from the crates splintering all over the place.

Yes Carter was smart and focused and tried darn hard but the writing, the circumstances and the setting were just horrendous when you think of what they could have done with ATs time in this one. I get they all thought this was great fun - I am sure, based on what we hear and read about how they all get along on the set, that they did have fun filming this, etc., unfortunately having fun filming does not translate into a well-written show. OMG I am so disappointed. No offense to anyone that liked this ep - it has been a long time since there was anything focused on Carter so from that aspect . . . .

Moneypenny
February 9th, 2008, 02:02 PM
You really think that they'll have a graphic sex scene on Atlantis? Its not gonna happen. But we're all intelligent adults, and its obvious that Keller and Mckay 'hooked up' later that night. The same way she and Ronan got it on in Quarantine. You can check your math, but the way I do arithmetic, the odds of all of these young, healthy, attractive people being practically celibate for 4 years is slim to none.

I didnt say Kellar was a 'tramp'. But its clear that she has a healthy attitude towards sex and isnt afraid of pursuing her desires. Wow, go figure, she's a human being.

She was about to take off her top without a second thought. She initiated the 'Who would you rather have sex with' game. She hooked up with Rodney. None of those are negative things.

D

Because she asked him to get a drink with her, she obviously slept with him? That's some leap in logic.

Of course they're not going to show a graphic sex scene on Altantis. I was referring to scenes that we've actually witnessed that had a higher probability of leading to such instances. Like Sheppard and Teer in "Epiphany". Now maybe all they did was make out, but there's certainly a stronger case for them "hooking up" than McKay and Keller. I agree that the odds of everyone staying celibate this whole time are slim to none, but as I said, I was basing my math on things we've actually seen, not just concocted in our minds.

Sorry, you're right, you didn't use the word "tramp", a lot of other people did (or used similar words). But implying that she's sexually promiscuous based on a few scenes where she did nothing of the sort is equally insulting. Having a "non-commital" love life isn't more or less healthy than not.

And I don't think her taking off her top in aid of getting out of a dangerous situation or playing a silly little high school game (there's nothing to support your last claim so I'm skipping that) qualify as any kind of proof towards that attitude.

drake122
February 9th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Could have been worse. We could have had to warch Harmony again.

Unlike Trio, I found Harmony quite watchable, actually.

ToasterOnFire
February 9th, 2008, 02:06 PM
I actually liked Carter in this ep, but I thought Rodney's "show 'em your boobs", Keller's "who would you" game, and everyone's Zelenka bashing really brought the ep down. Boring boring boring.

ykickamoocow
February 9th, 2008, 02:12 PM
I wish i knew all these supposed women who sleep with you after 1 drink as i have never met any of them. ITS JUST NOT FAIR :D

NIKIN
February 9th, 2008, 02:49 PM
one thing about this episode that intrigued me was Keller's willingness to strip in front of Rodney. Less than 5 seconds after he mentioned tying clothes together she was taking her top off, not even waiting for the jackets to be tied together first. Not a single word of protest or hesitance

I was shocked Carter didn't say anything either, but I guess she was looking for rope (in the same place Rodney found the hooks but mysteriously missed the large quantities of rope) and didn't think Keller would strip so quickly.


Rodney was such a perv in this episode, suggesting stripping to underwear with 2 women in the room (and looking disappointed when she put her top back on), telling Carter to flash her breasts twice

CptOats
February 9th, 2008, 02:51 PM
I am so glad carter is going i have been pro carter until this episode, she just couldn't have found a worse time to find the rope.

kymeric
February 9th, 2008, 02:56 PM
I wish i knew all these supposed women who sleep with you after 1 drink as i have never met any of them. ITS JUST NOT FAIR :D

Darn tootin, when you find these women plz send a few my way. Im sure these prudes here would be too busy condeming some simple flirting to be any competition.

Zelos
February 9th, 2008, 02:58 PM
Rodney would make a great builder over here in the UK, telling the women to 'show us yer...' yeah you get the idea.

I thought I wouldn't enjoy this episode but I actually found it pretty entertaining. I think I may not hate Keller quite so much. She showed a bit more character this episode then she has previously when she came across as being dull as bricks. Carter as well was a lot more interesting in this episode than she has been all season. Great to see her keep on going no matter what, how many times has she been in a situation like that? She must be an expert by now.

Those kids remind me so much of what the kids are like round here, you're beaten broken and down on your luck and instead of helping they just gather round their friends to come and see :lol: Yeah, charming!

Only major dislike for this episode is the bashing of poor Zelenka. I love him, even if no one else does :lol: !

Willow'sCat
February 9th, 2008, 03:17 PM
one thing about this episode that intrigued me was Keller's willingness to strip in front of Rodney. Less than 5 seconds after he mentioned tying clothes together she was taking her top off, not even waiting for the jackets to be tied together first. Not a single word of protest or hesitanceI put this down to her being a doctor, they certainly don't mind telling us to strip down to our underwear as if it is a normal thing, which to a doctor it is! People can read into it what they want but I think she is comfortable with her body, I admire that as I am most certainly not! *shrugs* Unless you think Rodney would attack her or something. :cool::rolleyes:

Also I am sure she was expecting Rodney and Sam to strip too, so they would all be nekkid together. Woof! :D

nx01a
February 9th, 2008, 03:27 PM
Entertaining episode. 7/10

Synposis: Rodney goes down the rabbit hole and gets lucky.

Rodney and Keller have a great interaction as their personality types completely clash and grate each other, at least at first. It was fun to see Rodney getting belittled at every turn this episode by both of them.:P It was nice to hear him talk about his 'action hero' turn, I don't remember him mentioning his own shoot-em-up prowess before.

Glad to see Carter being called on to do the other part of what she's there to do: negotiate. Carters' freshly pedicured toes were a highlight. Light pink, eh? Nice to see her take charge and know when to delegate... not like there were other options at some points. And did it really take 3 falls for Carter to break something serious? She's tough.

Keller just had me PO'd through most of it. Whine, whine whine. She really does need a 3 week Australian survival camp or something. 'Cardio' don't cut it offworld, baby. And her 'bar trick'? Keller could have stood on Carter's shoulders and gotten out, no need for that destined to fail crate.

Why were they puzzled as to what the Genii were mining? They're into nukes, maybe they had the people mining uranium or plutonium ore? Or something more mysterious to be seen later in the season? I'd laugh if it turned out to be naquadah. :)

And Stargate's portrayal of kids lately is so wrong yet spot on. Self-centred, hedonistic, voyeuristic... I was hoping to have some mention of Rodney getting them back for effectively leaving the trio to die.

The interaction between all three was hilarious but I got the feeling that Keller was forced into the episode to flesh her character out more. Have we ever seen Rodney and Sam completely alone together in a desperate situation with only each other to depend on? Keller being there ruined what would have been perhaps the last step Rodney had to go through to leave his old self behind: getting over Carter. The episode should have been titled 'Duo'. Keller already had her trapped exposition time in 'Quarantine'.

And by the way...

Keller's a ho.
First Ronon, now Rodney. I'm surprised now she didn't throw herself at Teyla in 'Missing'. I bet John's next. Perhaps she's making up for lost time from her missed younger years.
I think it's more than a buddy drink. Rodney's inability to read intimate signs was brought up earlier and at the end, after inviting him for a drink, Keller points out that he's 'really bad at this'. It was more than a simple drink between friends, IMO. Now Ronon and Rodney have to duel over her affections. Ronon's gun vs Rodney's... life signs detector? :P

The ho.

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 03:37 PM
McKay was a little star throughout. I liked that he barely panicked, showed a lot of care and worry for his colleagues, came up with idea after idea to get them out and got to be the hero physically for once. I was rather proud of him - well as proud as you can be of a fictional character.


i said in my other post that i had only one complaint, in that the ep ended too abruptly. i have another one, actually, but it's not bad.

in the scene where mckay is the last one to go down, and he's just hanging there and complaining... i didn't like him whining like that, *only* because i'm attracted to him and didn't like seeing him being whiny when he'd been so brave and strong before. BUT, as soon as heard the creaking, his little 'break' ended and he made himself go. :p

i really like mckay and like him being the hottie. :mckayanime03:

oh, and concerning the above scene, as soon as we saw just where keller fell (blackhole pit of heck), i totally cringed! :S my fear of heights really felt that scene.

the special effects in this ep were fabulous! ;)




sally :sam:

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Unlike Trio, I found Harmony quite watchable, actually.

Harmony was ok imo, better than I expected it to be, Trio on the other was a lot of fun and I mean a LOT :D


I actually liked Carter in this ep, but I thought Rodney's "show 'em your boobs", Keller's "who would you" game, and everyone's Zelenka bashing really brought the ep down. Boring boring boring.

really? I thought those scenes were pretty funny


I wish i knew all these supposed women who sleep with you after 1 drink as i have never met any of them. ITS JUST NOT FAIR :D

well said dude :D


I am so glad carter is going i have been pro carter until this episode, she just couldn't have found a worse time to find the rope.

:lol:

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 03:43 PM
And Carter, she has seen everything, done everything, except for matigra.

what is matigra? i tried looking the word up.




sally :sam:

P-90_177
February 9th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Ok. so i watched this ep earlier and I feel that I have to jump to our poor doctor Kellers rescue. I mean come on i know she isn't exactly emotionally strong and she isn't the kind of person i would expect to head up the medical team (she probably has hidden logistic skills.) Anyway why in the world are people calling her a ho or a slut or whatever? So she asked McKay out for a drink. So what? It doesn't mean it was a date and it doesn't mean that she was going to jump straight into bed with him. She was just being nice to him. He had just saved her life. It isn't unusual for someone to want repay the person who saved them.

nx01a
February 9th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Because she asked him to get a drink with her, she obviously slept with him? That's some leap in logic.
She's the one who reads signs better than Rodney and she's the one who'll know he's in the right frame of mind for a rebound chick right now, and she is the one who asked him out for a drink, so...
Making up for lost time, I say.:ronan::mckay:

Falcon Horus
February 9th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I usually post my review here first, and the just copy and paste onto the SciFi Forum and one other place where I have been labeled as the review-person.

This time, however, I do things in reverse and went over to the SciFi Forum first. Why? Because there are always poll-questions to answer which is pretty much the only thing I can say about this episode.

Actually I just thought of something else.... A complete and utter waste of time.

But anyway...

How would you rate this episode?
C

Who was your favorite Trio?
Mckay & Keller

So with the recent casting news, Jewel Staite( Dr. Jennifer Keller) will be signing on as a regular next season. How do you feel about that?
Can they keep her recurring?

Do you think Carter should of Flashed?
Goddess NO!

Do you want to see more broken up teams like this one?
No, I miss the 4-person team

******

What is there to say about this episode...

*thinking*

*more thinking*

Nope, I got nothing.

Wait....

I do have something....

Can we haz the team back now pleaz? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Smiley/Other/down2.gif

jelgate
February 9th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Ok. so i watched this ep earlier and I feel that I have to jump to our poor doctor Kellers rescue. I mean come on i know she isn't exactly emotionally strong and she isn't the kind of person i would expect to head up the medical team (she probably has hidden logistic skills.) Anyway why in the world are people calling her a ho or a slut or whatever? So she asked McKay out for a drink. So what? It doesn't mean it was a date and it doesn't mean that she was going to jump straight into bed with him. She was just being nice to him. He had just saved her life. It isn't unusual for someone to want repay the person who saved them.

I have to agree with you here. If I had a dollar that for every time I saw a girl flirting with more than one man then I would be a millionaire.

Jeyla4ever
February 9th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Sorry, haven't read anyone's thoughts on this episode...but I have to write...

I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM.

Now that I got that off my chest, I must add that this was a good episode.
Once again, the writers are really showcasing a Rodney that I"m really on my way to love, if I don't love him already! *wink* Took four years for that to happen, but it's there!

Sam, you can't go wrong with the woman. Keller didn't annoy me as much in this one, but again...I WANT MY TEAM BACK!

But, it was really well done. I loved the reference back to Quarantine. You know the only line I thought was off and I have no clue what that was about, was the whole Zelenka thing with Carter. Jeepers, I LOVE Zelenka! Who could possibly dislike the man!!!!!

On that note, I loved their little moments...you know what was odd too now that I think about it...those kids! What kids would actually not want to help someone in trouble...that's just not realistic..not for 10 year olds...they won't care that their parents would reprimand them, they would have gone out and gotten some help even if they had to do it themselves...that was off too....maybe the writers should call me next time they have kids in the plot! *wink*

But overall, nice character moments, and I really loved that Rodney was the one that just shined in this one more than any other....

Now, I was a bit surprised because up to this point, and I've cared not for Keller one bit...but seeing her with Rodney..understanding him and accepting him completely as he is and still finding him irrisistible....DAMN! I could see these two work! and trust me, I am NOT sold on Keller!

overall, I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM. I MISS THE TEAM.

good episode. BUT.....*wink*

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 03:58 PM
But now that it's a new character, one you're not already in love with, you bash her to Hell for the exact same thing. That sickens me about this fandom, that people are willing to turn a blind eye for some characters but not others. Just admit Keller acted exactly as any of us probably would've and be done with it!

and i don't have anyone on atlantis to compare her to (beckett), since the rest of the cast is as new to me as keller is. i've never seen keller complain because she's a coward. she's just a regular person pulled into extreme situations, acting like many of us would i'm afraid.



Clooney? Really? Interesting, Sam, very interesting. I liked the game of "Would You Rather", particularly because... well, what else would they do? Seriously, if you and two friends were trapped in their position and had to spend an hour knotting rope, wouldn't you start up a game of something, too? These people are normal human beings, remember.


i'd have picked clooney too, just in the same way i'd pick han over luke. i like handsome over cute. :p


Overall, I will be watching "Trio" again and again. The plot may have been simple, but the character interactions and wonderful dialogue truly made the episode. Even my friends, who despise science-fiction, both said how much they liked McKay by the end, how much they wish Keller would ask them for a drink, and how brave Carter was time and again in her efforts to get out.

oh... this paragraph, for some reason, makes me feel that stab of :( of how much i'm going to miss sam in s5. (hopes amanda's schedule will permit 'several' episodes)

i hope amanda, david, and jewel do the commentary for the ep on the dvds. with how much we heard how much fun and crazieness they had making this ep, i want more details on it. :p :D





sally :D

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Liked the episode 9/10.
Missed Sam at the end. Why didn't they show her in a bed with her leg sticking up in a cast with Keller and McKay walking away having their conversation? I thought it odd she wasn't there.

keller said at the end that sam's leg would be in a cast for a while. but we also saw the coming attractions for 'midway', and sam's not got a cast. i sometimes wish not so much time would pass between eps. it would have been kind of fun watching sam hobbling around in a cast, trying to deal with her two big boys wanting to one-up each other. (talking about ronon and teal'c :p)


LOL! My thoughts exactly. I kept wondering where McGuyver was the whole episode too. They needed some chewing gum to get out of the hole ;) With all of the other popular culture references in the 'who would you rather game', I thought there might have been one about McGuyver and somebody else.

keller: macgyver or house?

sam: oh, macgyver, all the way.

keller: really? i thought you'd pick the older guy, since...

sam: macgyver reminds me of someone i know...




sally :D

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 04:11 PM
keller said at the end that sam's leg would be in a cast for a while. but we also saw the coming attractions for 'midway', and sam's not got a cast. i sometimes wish not so much time would pass between eps. it would have been kind of fun watching sam hobbling around in a cast, trying to deal with her two big boys wanting to one-up each other. (talking about ronon and teal'c :p)

true though I really enjoyed that Sam, Rodney and Keller mentioned certain events from Quarantine (his 'engagement', and how Sam was stuck with Zelenka)


keller: macgyver or house?

sam: oh, macgyver, all the way.

keller: really? i thought you'd pick the older guy, since...

sam: macgyver reminds me of someone i know...




sally :D

that would've been awesome :lol:

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Carter was given more to do in this episode than the rest of the season put together. Its eps like this that make me wish we could have her out in the field again. I liked that she gave Rodney the opportunity to prove himself with the grappling hook then, when he failed and nearly toasted them all, just got up and threw it through the hole repeatedly with seemingly little effort.

oh, i agree. being boss doesn't mean being bossy; she let mckay try to do his thing, only stepping in when she had to.


I liked how he and Keller seemed to have developed a mutual respect by the end of the episode. Some people have jumped to the conclusion that she now fancies Rodney just because she asked him out for a drink. I think she probably saw a side of Rodney in the ep that she didn't even know existed, although I don't think that she likes him as any more than a friend. She was just trying to show her appreciation for his saving her life and maybe she's found something in Rodney that she wants to get to know, alas not in a romantic sense.

i've stayed out of this discussion, because i'd read so much before i saw the ep that i wasn't sure i could read it without preconceived ideas.

i think keller was just being nice to mckay, especially understanding his stubbling because she can relate to it. (now me, *i* would have asked him out even before this situation happened. there's just something about this guy *and the way david plays him* that makes me want to be all over him! :p)


sally :D

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 04:17 PM
The three of them working together was a little odd. When Kelle started taking her clothes off and then stopped, Rodney did look a little "disappointed".


darn right he did! :p

just as keller was about to take off her top, sam yells out that she found the rope, stopping keller from proceeding. the look on mckay's face, and then him saying (sarcastically) thank you to sam. :p




sally :D

majorsal
February 9th, 2008, 04:22 PM
What have the writers done to Carter? I know she said her character would step back and let McKay do his thing, but last night, that was not the Carter I have grown to love. I don't know her character seems so different, and I cannot put my finger on it, but when I do I will comment more.

i don't find sam out of character, it's just that not only is this not 'her' show, she's been introduced so slowly so that the same s9 mistakes with mitchell and vala didn't happen again. at least that's my take.

but i was thinking that s5 was going to change that, with having given sam an entire season to slowly blend in and then getting to see her in full action. well, as full action as a supporting player could be. :p (now i'll just hope that whatever place they're taking sam in s5, it'll still give her a chance to shine)




sally :)

Mack_1
February 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I always try to read the old post before writing something, but after the whole Keller is a “flirt”, Carter’s polish nail, Mckay is a pervert, and the Selenka bashing, I just had to stop and write what I think of the EPISODE.

Not as good not to bad.:danielanime13:

Rodney, Sam and Jennifer interaction was really good, they come from uncomfortable with each other, as to not knowing what to do or said to eachother to just better friends at the end. :samanime20:

Though I never like the Mckay character so much, I feel bad for the guy, he is so out as to how to react and treat woman that Keller and Sam had to tell him that Kattie want’s nothing to do with him now. :mckay:

And Jennifer comment about him been a “nice guy” wasn’t a flirt comment, to me it sound it more like, “thought you are a “know it all” irritating, impatient and sometime arrogant guy, on top of that you are a nice guy to have around” and she say “she deserves a nice guy like you” so she was not hitting on him, and the last scene, the comment she does about Rodney don’t having a clue as how to treat people because he was always studying and been him, he lost that ability to “been normal” and I’m not saying this in a bad way, geniuses always have this problem, how to inter act with people. Keller is making out this point, not hitting on him. :mckayanime03:

At the beginning of the episode Rodney keeps on attacking Keller in her findings and just making her out to be as none important, at the end she and him have level to be friends with different points of view, but understanding each other as friends and nothing more.

They didn’t whine/complain to much as I thought they would, they all have something to offer and got the chance to prove their theories just for those theories to not work.;)

Carter, I love seen her more than ten seconds but had to agree, they could have used her in another way or episode with more acction in the field, not trap in a hole, but the episode had a lot of funny lines and funny entertaining moments to. :sam:

She allow Rodney to try and save the day with that hook but end up to do it her self really good old Carter moment.:sam:

Keller knowing of that game and actually been a plan to escape was good.

Rodney telling Sam he wasn’t leaving her behind really good. :mckayanime01::sam:

Keller overcoming her scary nature of heights and dangling from the rope finding the way out on pure accident really, really good, she didn’t become the get me out of here little girl screaming at the top of her lungs, she was cool and capable of helping her team mates. :zelenka25:

Rodney again, been the accidental hero for the team, priceless even thought he was hurt he rise to the occasion.:teyla25:

20 questions thought a stupid game for some was kind of good, way to pass the time since we know they weren’t about to ask/answer personal questions at all. :teyla26: (and we are left in the dark about Sam's personal life again):love:

I could keep going but I’ll stop here, never thought I’ll be writing Mckey from a good angle, since the character annoys me so much, I end up loving him this episode. :samanime20:

And I know that comment abput Selenka, wasn't as bad at some had make it to be, IMO Sam was reffering at the innabilitie for Selenke to relax in her presence, and Rodney likes him as a friend Jennifer just felt uncomfortable as the comments he make about how she "smells" kind of odd, but thay like the guy, all of them


What was that in the episode or the bad side of it:

Those kids were unnecessary the first time around, the second time just annoying and stupid. :tealcanime51:

Keller not having morphine in her medical kit just not passable, since the teams run into trouble every time. :weir40:

Constant reference to Carter and Keller’s body’s and boob’s and assets just plain stupid and making Mckey sound more like a pervert than the grown and intelligent man that he is (man defending him again I can’t believe it) :jack:

Little rope at the beginning a whole lot of rope at the end of the episode.:mckayanime22:

Not even a scene with Sam in the infirmary just odd.:weiranime33:

8 out of 10 for me.:jack_new_anime07:

Killdeer
February 9th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Well, for an episode that I went into expecting to hate with a deep deep hatred - I actually liked this one! :lol: Color me completely shocked. :P

Let's get the bad out of the way first. There were definitely some things I could have done without this episode. I really could have done without all the juvenile humor. The "who would you rather?" game, Rodney trying to get Sam to show her breasts, the body comparison, etc. :S Not so good. I also completely HATED the Zelenka bashing! At first I was going to go Yay, Rodney's going to stand up for his friend, but then he didn't, and all of them joining in on it really really irritated me. Bad writers!! We love Zelenka! No Zelenka bashing!

There were also some odd things - first, Keller finds the Genii files in a generic expandifile? Really? I didn't know the Genii had Office Max. :D Second, they've made such a big deal about her fear of heights, even in this episode, and then when she's suddenly dangling on the end of a rope over a chasm, she suddenly seems to lose all her fear. What????? That transformation was a little jarring. :S


Other than those things, this was a surprisingly good episode! It did drag a little bit, especially in the first half, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Carter's not my favorite character, and I haven't been very excited about Keller either lately, especially after Quarantine. But I thought they were both good in this episode, and this went a long way toward redeeming Keller in my eyes.

Oh and can I just say - McKay/Keller is a much MUCH better idea than Ronon/Keller! And Keller herself is much better around McKay than she is around some of the others. She has more of a personality. And yay for that. McKay doesn't put up with her whining (which is the height of irony I know), and she seems to get him better than I thought she did.

Overall, a pretty decent episode! And yay for scared but brave Rodney! I love Rodney! :D

Oh and yes, that was definitely flirting at the end. :)


EDIT: I saw someone else (I don't know whether it was here or on LJ) that said they liked Gero's Keller better than Binder's Keller. I would wholeheartedly agree with that. I've normally liked Binder's characterization - he's written some of my favorite episodes (Echoes always comes to mind first). But Cooper and Gero have done the best job with Keller I think. Binder's Keller has been completely annoying, and McCullough's Keller has just been flat and emotionless. Just my opinion, of course. :D

Actionhank
February 9th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Booooooohhhh. Booooring episode! That's all there is to say.

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 05:51 PM
WOW.

HELLS YEAH, THIS IS WHY I WATCH MAH STARGATE!!

:D :D :D

Ok, ok, ok, so that was...wow. Ok. It's odd that I'd feel this way, considering that this is usually how I feel towards BIG episodes, like The Pegasus Project or Be All My Sins Remember'd, but DAAAAAAYYYYYYYUUUUUMMMM...Trio was freaking-ass AWESOME!!

Seriously, I mean, I'm sweating right now because of those last few scenes. The tension was ridiculously palpable, I was...you know what? I'll save that for the last bit of my review, because it's the most crazy part, in terms of how I reacted to the scenes.

But, of course, the main *thang* of this episode is the banter. OH MY GOD THE BANTER. OH, IT WASN'T JUST THE BANTER, BUT THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS TOO. Ok, wait a minute, just, just let me calm down a little.

...

Ok, I think I'm better, maybe. When I first heard of this episode, I was extremely skeptic of it. I mean, seriously...it's about 3 people who fall into a hole. Boy, was I horrendously f'ed up with that. How could I have just waved it off as that, when those 3 people are David Hewlett, Jewel Staite, and Amanda Tapping?

I COULDN'T HAVE WAVED IT OFF, THAT'S WHAT. BIATCH.

ALRIGHT. Calm down. Pheeeeeeewwwwww......

Anyways, I was skeptic all the way until the episode premiered, and read some of the reactions. I saw how people delighted in the banter, but thought that, perhaps, it dragged, and I thought "Hmmm, ok, sounds good enough. I usually like things better than most people, so it looks like another good show tonight".

CAN YOU SAY, EXPECTATIONS, YOU ARE SO SURPASSED THAT YOU DIED?

That didn't come out right. The fact is, the episode was just awesome. The banter itself, which I'll get to in a moment, was hilarious in every scene. The characters acted HUMAN, there were heroic moments that made so proud of the guy in mah Avatar, and then there is what amounts to one of the most tense moments of Stargate, for me.

But first...

OMG THEY MENTIONED JON STEWART AND STEPHEN COLBERT, WHO ARE GODS. WORDS CANNOT POSSIBLY EXPRESS HOW AWESOME THAT MOMENT WAS, EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR STEPHEN COLBERT'S "THE WORD", WHICH IS GOSPEL. YES.

AND I HAVE 2 OF BRIAN GREENE'S BOOKS, AND NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON HAS BEEN ON THE COLBERT REPORT. THIS IS THE GREATEST POP REFERENCE IN STARGATE HISTORY. YOU HEAR? YOU'D BETTER.

...

Let's, uh, let's move on.

This episode was truly unique in Stargate. The plot can be summed up as "3 people fall into a hole, and have to get out". That's it. It almost reminds me of that Sam Beckett play, Waiting for Gadot, where the whole thing is basically 2 people bantering back and forth with a 3rd character entering and leaving the fray. I love how the writers are exploring these esoteric little plots instead of going with the usual "problem on a planet" episodes in the previous seasons. I mean, you have the heroes facing these outside forces and enemies all the time, and barely surviving, while, realistically, they can just as easily die from tripping or something. Not all deaths or even problems are epic and stuff like that, so having an episode based on such a...mundane problem, them falling into a hole, and then seeing how truly difficult it is to get out, is really an experience we haven't seen in Stargate.

In fact, this was almost like a play.

I said during my Harmony review that this is what Martin Gero do when he's not writing a BIG episode, that he'll put in place one simple plot, and the events just unfold in that one situation. I think he's just getting better and better at it. I mean, seriously, this must have been an EXTREMELY hard episode to write because you have no "cut-aways". There is 1 situation, and all scenes must be based on that. Gero had to keep the action moving, have to keep the dialogue from becoming flat, and he has to keep finding ways to get the story moving without getting bogged down. In my mind, it worked brilliantly.

But of course, it's not all Martin's fault that this episode rocked my flocking. I gotta hand it to Martin Wood, who, I think, struggled over this episode as it must have been a pain to shoot (I think he cried in one of JM's blog pics). Well, I think it was worth it, as he did things with the camera in that one room that made the whole thing a lot more dynamic than it really is (seriously, it was 3 people in a room. That's it). The first shot of the episode was certainly an interesting one, and that which I would definitely think was a Martin Wood special. It took me a few seconds to realize, as Sam, Keller, McKay, and Shep walked around the Gateroom, that it was one continuous shot! That was brilliant, as I love smooth camera movements. The first shot of the 1st act; the slow pan down from the hole allllll the way down to our trio on the floor was brilliantly done, and shows the entire room very well, giving us a full view of our playground for the episode to come. Then there was that quick push up to McKay when Sam initially fell, which really added to the scene, as well as that short pan around the lights with the trio in the corner of the scene, which made it clear that this was a bigger problem than they first thought; that they were really small compared to the problem they now faced. Really, the directing for this episode was excellent overall, but those moments stuck in my mind.

And of course, how can I not mention the actors? They each did an EXCELLENT job with this episode. As I mentioned, their bantering was delicious, and, well, there's no point in listing any of it as it'll just be me writing down the script for the episode. However, I did specifically love the part where McKay babbled on about the two women's bodies. That took talent, to just go off like that with the "uh"s and the "um"s. God, I wish I can do that.

The girls were fabulous. Seeing Carter throwing that hook thing was a delight, just showing how powerful Sam Carter really was. Loved that part. I cringed along with Carter as Keller sets to take care of her after the fall that broke her leg; oh, and this has been a constant throughout Stargate. I think I mentiioned in my review for Line in the Sand that Amanda can do pain REALLY well, and she can easily make the audience hurt with her, which is a good thing. But really, seeing Carter getting dirty and gritty and using, not only her mind, but also her muscles was wonderful.

And then there's Keller, who I'm loving more each and every day. With this episode, I think I've figured out her character. When she's a doctor, she's perfectly professionial (i.e. when treating Sam), but otherwise, she's really a flirt, who, due to her lack of social interactions in the past, may have less inhibitions. I like that. The bar trick was neat, and that look she gave Rodney right before they started the bar bet plan was, dare I say it, sexah. Overall though, I loved her banter with Sam against Rodney, and the little looks the girls gave each other as Rodney...well, acted like Rodney. The game she and Sam played with the guys was definitely something I've been waiting to see on Stargate, namely girls drooling over guys instead of the other way around. It's a breast of fresh air.

Then there is Rodney, who played the hero and saved the day. My God, Hewlett is a God. He was firing on all cylinders this episode; from the SUCH disappointment on his face at the fact that he didn't get to See Keller's bra, to the various tries to swing the grappling hook, to the suggestion that Carter flash the kids, to the MADE OF WIN blathering at a pair of perfect bodies, to SUPER HEROIC RODNEY lowering Sam to the mining shaft despite bleeding hands, to the...oh hell, just watch the episode. Still, I would like to just give a shout out to the incredible scene near the end with McKay dangling on the fraying rope and how he goes into "afraid for my life" mode again. While it was probably made for humor, I saw a very raw side of Rodney that I had not seen before. It was probably a combination of just how precarious his position was, his sweat and soil-stained face, and of course, Hewlett's acting, that made that scene...heart-breaking. It was like watching a man who is himself watching his life flashing before his eyes. Poor, poor Rodney.

Bottom Line is: David Hewlett ROXORZED in this episode.

Along with Amanda Tapping and Jewel Staite. Natch.

Finally, there is the climax of the episode. Let me set this up for you. I am watching as Rodney pulls on the rope with the rod attached, and soil starts coming in. Then, the box collapses and Keller falls out of the box holding onto the rope. I swear profusely at this development, just because of how sudden it is.

Then, some of the most intense Hewlett rantings, followed by tension so thick I was drowning in it. As my respect for Rodney climbed, Keller was lowered to the mineshaft. My hands were tight fists as Keller swings back and forth, eventually getting to the landing. I laugh as Rodney falls back. Then, the short exchange between Sam and Rodney makes me realize what's coming up; then, here's why I'm giving the episode a 10: Sam points out Rodney's hands, we cut to the hands, seeing it bloody, and the music swells...and I almost pass out from the level of WIN.

The rest of the scenes were just tension city. I didn't move an inch, I was sweating like there's no tomorrow, and eventually, when Rodney finally got to safety and the box plummetted into the abyss, I yelled in triumph. It was truly an unforgettable experience.

So...wow, yeah, definitely an AWESOME EPISODE. Loved every minute of it. In fact, I'd say that Trio was probably one of the best filler episodes Stargate has ever done. All I know is, I can't wait for Quartet!

Score: 10/10

Actionhank
February 9th, 2008, 05:58 PM
Score: 10/10
You gotta be kidding. ;) Nono, I respect your opinion I guess that's just how different tastes can be. :)

Edit: But 10/10 - I wouldn't type out so lightly - that means no episode will ever be better for me.

Double-Edit: I'd give a 4/10 with a clear conscience. ^^

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 06:02 PM
PG15 that must be the longest and best ep review ever :P

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 06:06 PM
You gotta be kidding. ;) Nono, I respect your opinion I guess that's just how different tastes can be. :)

Edit: But 10/10 - I wouldn't type out so lightly - that means no episode will ever be better for me.

Double-Edit: I'd give a 4/10 with a clear conscience. ^^

Ah, see, I actually feel guilty giving Stargate anything below a 7 (and I only gave that once, to Flesh and Blood, because it didn't feel BIG enough after Camelot), just because I can't bring myself to do it (that, and I myself is used to getting 90+ in school, so even for me, getting below, say, 80% is criminal). However, I genuinly loved Trio, so yeah, 10/10 it is.

Jumper, I suggest you read my review for The Pegasus Project. I think that may be my longest review. Or, try BAMSR. ;)

jelgate
February 9th, 2008, 06:10 PM
I remember the BAMSR review. My head hurt after reading that review.

Willow'sCat
February 9th, 2008, 06:10 PM
All I know is, I can't wait for Quartet!

Wouldn't that be the TEAM eps? :P:D

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Jumper, I suggest you read my review for The Pegasus Project. I think that may be my longest review. Or, try BAMSR. ;)

thanks, will do :)

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I remember the BAMSR review. My head hurt after reading that review.

Then my mission was a success. :p


Wouldn't that be the TEAM eps? :P:D

Exactly. ;)

Jeyla4ever
February 9th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Well, for an episode that I went into expecting to hate with a deep deep hatred - I actually liked this one! :lol: Color me completely shocked. :P

Let's get the bad out of the way first. There were definitely some things I could have done without this episode. I really could have done without all the juvenile humor. The "who would you rather?" game, Rodney trying to get Sam to show her breasts, the body comparison, etc. :S Not so good. I also completely HATED the Zelenka bashing! At first I was going to go Yay, Rodney's going to stand up for his friend, but then he didn't, and all of them joining in on it really really irritated me. Bad writers!! We love Zelenka! No Zelenka bashing!

There were also some odd things - first, Keller finds the Genii files in a generic expandifile? Really? I didn't know the Genii had Office Max. :D Second, they've made such a big deal about her fear of heights, even in this episode, and then when she's suddenly dangling on the end of a rope over a chasm, she suddenly seems to lose all her fear. What????? That transformation was a little jarring. :S


Other than those things, this was a surprisingly good episode! It did drag a little bit, especially in the first half, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Carter's not my favorite character, and I haven't been very excited about Keller either lately, especially after Quarantine. But I thought they were both good in this episode, and this went a long way toward redeeming Keller in my eyes.

Oh and can I just say - McKay/Keller is a much MUCH better idea than Ronon/Keller! And Keller herself is much better around McKay than she is around some of the others. She has more of a personality. And yay for that. McKay doesn't put up with her whining (which is the height of irony I know), and she seems to get him better than I thought she did.

Overall, a pretty decent episode! And yay for scared but brave Rodney! I love Rodney! :D

Oh and yes, that was definitely flirting at the end. :)


EDIT: I saw someone else (I don't know whether it was here or on LJ) that said they liked Gero's Keller better than Binder's Keller. I would wholeheartedly agree with that. I've normally liked Binder's characterization - he's written some of my favorite episodes (Echoes always comes to mind first). But Cooper and Gero have done the best job with Keller I think. Binder's Keller has been completely annoying, and McCullough's Keller has just been flat and emotionless. Just my opinion, of course. :D
Kill...we can't do this too often..you and I actually agree on something...YIKES!!!! *wink*

Loooooved the expanding file comment! LOL

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 07:09 PM
WOW.

HELLS YEAH, THIS IS WHY I WATCH MAH STARGATE!!

:D :D :D

Ok, ok, ok, so that was...wow. Ok. It's odd that I'd feel this way, considering that this is usually how I feel towards BIG episodes, like The Pegasus Project or Be All My Sins Remember'd, but DAAAAAAYYYYYYYUUUUUMMMM...Trio was freaking-ass AWESOME!!

Seriously, I mean, I'm sweating right now because of those last few scenes. The tension was ridiculously palpable, I was...you know what? I'll save that for the last bit of my review, because it's the most crazy part, in terms of how I reacted to the scenes.

But, of course, the main *thang* of this episode is the banter. OH MY GOD THE BANTER. OH, IT WASN'T JUST THE BANTER, BUT THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS TOO. Ok, wait a minute, just, just let me calm down a little.

...

Ok, I think I'm better, maybe. When I first heard of this episode, I was extremely skeptic of it. I mean, seriously...it's about 3 people who fall into a hole. Boy, was I horrendously f'ed up with that. How could I have just waved it off as that, when those 3 people are David Hewlett, Jewel Staite, and Amanda Tapping?

I COULDN'T HAVE WAVED IT OFF, THAT'S WHAT. BIATCH.

ALRIGHT. Calm down. Pheeeeeeewwwwww......

Anyways, I was skeptic all the way until the episode premiered, and read some of the reactions. I saw how people delighted in the banter, but thought that, perhaps, it dragged, and I thought "Hmmm, ok, sounds good enough. I usually like things better than most people, so it looks like another good show tonight".

CAN YOU SAY, EXPECTATIONS, YOU ARE SO SURPASSED THAT YOU DIED?

That didn't come out right. The fact is, the episode was just awesome. The banter itself, which I'll get to in a moment, was hilarious in every scene. The characters acted HUMAN, there were heroic moments that made so proud of the guy in mah Avatar, and then there is what amounts to one of the most tense moments of Stargate, for me.

But first...

OMG THEY MENTIONED JON STEWART AND STEPHEN COLBERT, WHO ARE GODS. WORDS CANNOT POSSIBLY EXPRESS HOW AWESOME THAT MOMENT WAS, EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR STEPHEN COLBERT'S "THE WORD", WHICH IS GOSPEL. YES.

AND I HAVE 2 OF BRIAN GREENE'S BOOKS, AND NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON HAS BEEN ON THE COLBERT REPORT. THIS IS THE GREATEST POP REFERENCE IN STARGATE HISTORY. YOU HEAR? YOU'D BETTER.

...

Let's, uh, let's move on.

This episode was truly unique in Stargate. The plot can be summed up as "3 people fall into a hole, and have to get out". That's it. It almost reminds me of that Sam Beckett play, Waiting for Gadot, where the whole thing is basically 2 people bantering back and forth with a 3rd character entering and leaving the fray. I love how the writers are exploring these esoteric little plots instead of going with the usual "problem on a planet" episodes in the previous seasons. I mean, you have the heroes facing these outside forces and enemies all the time, and barely surviving, while, realistically, they can just as easily die from tripping or something. Not all deaths or even problems are epic and stuff like that, so having an episode based on such a...mundane problem, them falling into a hole, and then seeing how truly difficult it is to get out, is really an experience we haven't seen in Stargate.

In fact, this was almost like a play.

I said during my Harmony review that this is what Martin Gero do when he's not writing a BIG episode, that he'll put in place one simple plot, and the events just unfold in that one situation. I think he's just getting better and better at it. I mean, seriously, this must have been an EXTREMELY hard episode to write because you have no "cut-aways". There is 1 situation, and all scenes must be based on that. Gero had to keep the action moving, have to keep the dialogue from becoming flat, and he has to keep finding ways to get the story moving without getting bogged down. In my mind, it worked brilliantly.

But of course, it's not all Martin's fault that this episode rocked my flocking. I gotta hand it to Martin Wood, who, I think, struggled over this episode as it must have been a pain to shoot (I think he cried in one of JM's blog pics). Well, I think it was worth it, as he did things with the camera in that one room that made the whole thing a lot more dynamic than it really is (seriously, it was 3 people in a room. That's it). The first shot of the episode was certainly an interesting one, and that which I would definitely think was a Martin Wood special. It took me a few seconds to realize, as Sam, Keller, McKay, and Shep walked around the Gateroom, that it was one continuous shot! That was brilliant, as I love smooth camera movements. The first shot of the 1st act; the slow pan down from the hole allllll the way down to our trio on the floor was brilliantly done, and shows the entire room very well, giving us a full view of our playground for the episode to come. Then there was that quick push up to McKay when Sam initially fell, which really added to the scene, as well as that short pan around the lights with the trio in the corner of the scene, which made it clear that this was a bigger problem than they first thought; that they were really small compared to the problem they now faced. Really, the directing for this episode was excellent overall, but those moments stuck in my mind.

And of course, how can I not mention the actors? They each did an EXCELLENT job with this episode. As I mentioned, their bantering was delicious, and, well, there's no point in listing any of it as it'll just be me writing down the script for the episode. However, I did specifically love the part where McKay babbled on about the two women's bodies. That took talent, to just go off like that with the "uh"s and the "um"s. God, I wish I can do that.

The girls were fabulous. Seeing Carter throwing that hook thing was a delight, just showing how powerful Sam Carter really was. Loved that part. I cringed along with Carter as Keller sets to take care of her after the fall that broke her leg; oh, and this has been a constant throughout Stargate. I think I mentiioned in my review for Line in the Sand that Amanda can do pain REALLY well, and she can easily make the audience hurt with her, which is a good thing. But really, seeing Carter getting dirty and gritty and using, not only her mind, but also her muscles was wonderful.

And then there's Keller, who I'm loving more each and every day. With this episode, I think I've figured out her character. When she's a doctor, she's perfectly professionial (i.e. when treating Sam), but otherwise, she's really a flirt, who, due to her lack of social interactions in the past, may have less inhibitions. I like that. The bar trick was neat, and that look she gave Rodney right before they started the bar bet plan was, dare I say it, sexah. Overall though, I loved her banter with Sam against Rodney, and the little looks the girls gave each other as Rodney...well, acted like Rodney. The game she and Sam played with the guys was definitely something I've been waiting to see on Stargate, namely girls drooling over guys instead of the other way around. It's a breast of fresh air.

Then there is Rodney, who played the hero and saved the day. My God, Hewlett is a God. He was firing on all cylinders this episode; from the SUCH disappointment on his face at the fact that he didn't get to See Keller's bra, to the various tries to swing the grappling hook, to the suggestion that Carter flash the kids, to the MADE OF WIN blathering at a pair of perfect bodies, to SUPER HEROIC RODNEY lowering Sam to the mining shaft despite bleeding hands, to the...oh hell, just watch the episode. Still, I would like to just give a shout out to the incredible scene near the end with McKay dangling on the fraying rope and how he goes into "afraid for my life" mode again. While it was probably made for humor, I saw a very raw side of Rodney that I had not seen before. It was probably a combination of just how precarious his position was, his sweat and soil-stained face, and of course, Hewlett's acting, that made that scene...heart-breaking. It was like watching a man who is himself watching his life flashing before his eyes. Poor, poor Rodney.

Bottom Line is: David Hewlett ROXORZED in this episode.

Along with Amanda Tapping and Jewel Staite. Natch.

Finally, there is the climax of the episode. Let me set this up for you. I am watching as Rodney pulls on the rope with the rod attached, and soil starts coming in. Then, the box collapses and Keller falls out of the box holding onto the rope. I swear profusely at this development, just because of how sudden it is.

Then, some of the most intense Hewlett rantings, followed by tension so thick I was drowning in it. As my respect for Rodney climbed, Keller was lowered to the mineshaft. My hands were tight fists as Keller swings back and forth, eventually getting to the landing. I laugh as Rodney falls back. Then, the short exchange between Sam and Rodney makes me realize what's coming up; then, here's why I'm giving the episode a 10: Sam points out Rodney's hands, we cut to the hands, seeing it bloody, and the music swells...and I almost pass out from the level of WIN.

The rest of the scenes were just tension city. I didn't move an inch, I was sweating like there's no tomorrow, and eventually, when Rodney finally got to safety and the box plummetted into the abyss, I yelled in triumph. It was truly an unforgettable experience.

So...wow, yeah, definitely an AWESOME EPISODE. Loved every minute of it. In fact, I'd say that Trio was probably one of the best filler episodes Stargate has ever done. All I know is, I can't wait for Quartet!

Score: 10/10
Wow very good review I agree 100%.

Ruffles
February 9th, 2008, 07:57 PM
You really think that they'll have a graphic sex scene on Atlantis? Its not gonna happen. But we're all intelligent adults, and its obvious that Keller and Mckay 'hooked up' later that night. The same way she and Ronan got it on in Quarantine. You can check your math, but the way I do arithmetic, the odds of all of these young, healthy, attractive people being practically celibate for 4 years is slim to none.

I didnt say Kellar was a 'tramp'. But its clear that she has a healthy attitude towards sex and isnt afraid of pursuing her desires. Wow, go figure, she's a human being.

She was about to take off her top without a second thought. She initiated the 'Who would you rather have sex with' game. She hooked up with Rodney. None of those are negative things.

D

That is not quite so obvious to some of us. She merely asked him to have a drink with her.


i said in my other post that i had only one complaint, in that the ep ended too abruptly. i have another one, actually, but it's not bad.

in the scene where mckay is the last one to go down, and he's just hanging there and complaining... i didn't like him whining like that, *only* because i'm attracted to him and didn't like seeing him being whiny when he'd been so brave and strong before. BUT, as soon as heard the creaking, his little 'break' ended and he made himself go. :p

i really like mckay and like him being the hottie. :mckayanime03:

oh, and concerning the above scene, as soon as we saw just where keller fell (blackhole pit of heck), i totally cringed! :S my fear of heights really felt that scene.

the special effects in this ep were fabulous! ;)




sally :sam:

If you think that was whiny, wait until you see some of the S1-3 eps. You haven't seen whiny yet. ;)


i'd have picked clooney too, just in the same way i'd pick han over luke. i like handsome over cute. :p



DITTO!!


There were also some odd things - first, Keller finds the Genii files in a generic expandifile? Really? I didn't know the Genii had Office Max.

I had a laugh at that too. And the fact that they magically use 8x11 paper. And the "red is bad" comment. Really? That's a universal concept?

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Oh hey, I loved that "expecting" look McKay gave Keller after Sam refused to expose herself. Here it is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/PGfifteen/AtlantisLook.jpg

Classic. :D

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 08:11 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SGA/416%20Trio/Trio23.png

:P

warmbeachbrat
February 9th, 2008, 08:11 PM
The game she and Sam played with the guys was definitely something I've been waiting to see on Stargate, namely girls drooling over guys instead of the other way around. It's a breast of fresh air.


Um, a bit of a Freudian slip there, huh PG15?:eek: :p

I've got to agree with your main point here, though.:samanime20:

Jeffala
February 9th, 2008, 08:47 PM
And the "red is bad" comment. Really? That's a universal concept?

I wonder what a race of people who were all color-blind would use.

PG15
February 9th, 2008, 09:18 PM
I remember Carter saying it was thirty-five minutes until their first check-in, and then she and McKay had a discussion on whether or not their radios would work.

A commercial break or two later, it's been almost five hours. I'm guessing either the radios didn't work or the rest of Atlantis was too busy throwing a party to celebrate Carter getting out to notice that they hadn't checked in.

That part confused me too. However, Carter said that it's been half-an-hour since they left, and then she said "5 more". So, since she said "hour" earlier, I took that to mean that they had 5 hours left instead of 5 minutes.

umbai
February 9th, 2008, 10:28 PM
That part confused me too. However, Carter said that it's been half-an-hour since they left, and then she said "5 more". So, since she said "hour" earlier, I took that to mean that they had 5 hours left instead of 5 minutes.

I'll have a look at the transcript when it goes up and get back to you :P

umbai
February 9th, 2008, 10:31 PM
I had a laugh at that too. And the fact that they magically use 8x11 paper. And the "red is bad" comment. Really? That's a universal concept?

Well, according to Dr. Who, the proper bad colour in the world is mauve :P

Chezlee
February 9th, 2008, 11:41 PM
I wasn't planning on watching this episode, but I did anyways. Ok some of my comments have probably been said but I really don't want to read 13 pages so here goes...!
I
didn't really laugh during this episode, and I think a lot of it was meant to be funny to make up for the slow pace. As to the last scene everyone has different perceptions and if you really like Keller and Ronon it would be easy to see Rodney as just a friend. From the other side of the spectrum it seemed flirty, especially the line "Do you want to have a drink with me or not?" and "You are not very good at this are you?" which I believe to mean not good at the flirty going on a date kinda thing.

Again it may just be my perception, but at first viewing with out trying to justify it I really see the different episodes with Keller to have her being kind of random. In quarentine she was portrayed as insecure, kind of innocent flustered when Ronon made an inuendo. This speaks of not being confident with men. Now she make alot of witty comebacks, takes her shirt off when the Keller I am familiar with would have said "are you serious rodney, is there no other way?" before stripping. I am not a puritanical kind of person but to me Keller was written one episode as sheltered and innocent and in another she is confident and social. sooo...totally confused and I hate that the writers are being so ambiguous with it, lacking any consistency. Again just my perception

Im sorry but that totally ruined the episode for me which was kinda slow and predictable. Looking forward to next weeks a lot more!!

ykickamoocow
February 9th, 2008, 11:46 PM
I wasn't planning on watching this episode, but I did anyways. Ok some of my comments have probably been said but I really don't want to read 13 pages so here goes...!
I
didn't really laugh during this episode, and I think a lot of it was meant to be funny to make up for the slow pace. As to the last scene everyone has different perceptions and if you really like Keller and Ronon it would be easy to see Rodney as just a friend. From the other side of the spectrum it seemed flirty, especially the line "Do you want to have a drink with me or not?" and "You are not very good at this are you?" which I believe to mean not good at the flirty going on a date kinda thing.

Again it may just be my perception, but at first viewing with out trying to justify it I really see the different episodes with Keller to have her being kind of random. In quarentine she was portrayed as insecure, kind of innocent flustered when Ronon made an inuendo. This speaks of not being confident with men. Now she make alot of witty comebacks, takes her shirt off when the Keller I am familiar with would have said "are you serious rodney, is there no other way?" before stripping. I am not a puritanical kind of person but to me Keller was written one episode as sheltered and innocent and in another she is confident and social. sooo...totally confused and I hate that the writers are being so ambiguous with it, lacking any consistency. Again just my perception

Im sorry but that totally ruined the episode for me which was kinda slow and predictable. Looking forward to next weeks a lot more!!

I get what your saying. I think most people will agree with me that i prefer the "Trio" Keller to the Keller in "Quarantine".

I thought it was really funny that Keller was perfectly happy to strip to her underwear infront of McKay.

nx01a
February 9th, 2008, 11:59 PM
During the anthrax scares after 9/11, when people were told they might have been exposed and had to strip down to underwear in public and get hosed down, a surprising number said no. Dying painfully in a potential future somehow didn't have the immediate horrifying effect of being semi-naked infront of others in the now.

Keller's a doctor, she's smart, she'd strip to save herself.
Why does that sound like the plot from a rap video?

And no Keller has grabbed me, apart from in the season 3/4 initial arc when she was doing her job constantly and had only minimal whining time.