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Darren
May 5th, 2004, 11:11 PM
For the full story click HERE (http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1083821411,31206,)

Rogue N.I.D. element returns in 'Endgame'

Beware of minor spoilers in this report!

An upcoming episode in Stargate SG-1's eighth season will bring the shadowy group behind the rogue N.I.D. operation back to the fore, co-executive producers Paul Mullie and Joseph Mallozzi told GateWorld. "There will be an episode called 'Endgame,' which will involve what I call 'the heist to end all heists,' and deal with those pesky, former rogue N.I.D. operatives," Mallozzi said.

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bcmilco
May 5th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Of the Earth based episodes that we've had spoilers for this one seems to be the most interesting to me...

My guess on the heist:

Sarah or Osiris if we still have the gou'ald, because in the spoilers they mention Summit/Last Stand and Chimera... or it could be the ship that Osiris arived in... hmmmm... ok I'll stop thinking out loud now. :D

priornavalperson
May 5th, 2004, 11:30 PM
For the full story click HERE (http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1083821411,31206,)

Rogue N.I.D. element returns in 'Endgame'

Beware of minor spoilers in this report!

An upcoming episode in Stargate SG-1's eighth season will bring the shadowy group behind the rogue N.I.D. operation back to the fore, co-executive producers Paul Mullie and Joseph Mallozzi told GateWorld. "There will be an episode called 'Endgame,' which will involve what I call 'the heist to end all heists,' and deal with those pesky, former rogue N.I.D. operatives," Mallozzi said.

READ MORE >> (http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1083821411,31206,)
Hmmm. The report indicates that it touches elements of the episodes Summit, Last Stand, & Chimera. The only common elements other than SG1 in those epsiodes are Dr. Sarah Gardner and the Osiris symbiote. Do they kidnap Sarah to pump her memories for Goa'uld technology, or have they stolen the Osiris symbiote from the Tok'ra, or worse? Inquiring minds can't wait to find out.

the_fours
May 6th, 2004, 03:24 AM
this sounds like a very good episode to me hell it sounds like it has potential as a two parter

keshou
May 6th, 2004, 04:36 AM
Actually, this episode sounds like it could be pretty good, especially if they're bringing back Sarah to be utilized in the heist.

Other elements that could be included would be the memory-altering chemical Daniel used to fool Yu in Summit/Last Stand, the memory retrieval device from Chimera and other episodes, perhaps Makepeace or Maybourne (or that other gal from Shades of Grey) can come back for the heist. I think this has potential!

I have to admit the first thing I thought of when I saw "The Trust" was Alias. Hey, maybe we're heading towards a crossover episode. Sam could whump some sense into Vaughan, Daniel and Sydney could have a fling, our Jack could seduce information out of Irina, Spydaddy!Jack and Teal'c could try and out-stare each other. Too bad they're on different networks. ;)

Special guest appearance: The Stargate

Matt G
May 6th, 2004, 04:50 AM
Interesting to see the NID back in some form. The Trust does sound a little Aliasish but this does sound like it might be pretty cool all the same.

Lord Loz
May 6th, 2004, 05:19 AM
:o My God, a name in SG is similar to a name from another source! Whatever shall we do! ;)

From what I understand, The Trust is the Rougue NID in all but name right? Who have been around for aaages. Hardly sounds like theyre using ideas from another show.

Bring Osiris back, have Kinsey Goa'ulded. Or Barrett.

Anubis
May 6th, 2004, 07:50 AM
Sounds like a interesting episode. I've always like ones with the N.I.D.

I espically like the ones with Kinsey. He is great in ways that Maybourne is

Bacardi
May 6th, 2004, 08:31 AM
'the heist to end all heists,'

my guess is they distract the sgc staff to the surface with a quaint russian travelling circus...meanwhile theyre hoisting the gate outta the mountain and then roll it to mexico where they charge $2 a go for the public picking an address from a list and diving into the "lucky dip puddle"...[/sarcasm]

i mean seriously, why do we post spoilers anymore :( i try to resist cos i know i wont like myself after i know too much about the ep for it to be exciting. but i cant keep away when i see the topic subject spoilers... damnit!

on the other hand, suonds interesting.. im not gonna read any more now tho. promise..!!

David85
May 6th, 2004, 10:44 AM
Why don't they make another spinoff, it could be like The West Wing met Stargate. Every week we see stories that are polictical and based on Earth. Oh wait we don't need that, we just need serason 8 of Stargate! So far all the stories are polictical Earth base ones, which I don't mind, but too many is bad, the opener, and one pointless episode about the video game machine from like season 2. It's called Stargate SG-1 meeting that they need to USE the Stargate and do things as a team, I guess they forgot about that.

aAnubiSs
May 6th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Maybe they should move the Gate to Guest-starring: The StarGate!

joshing123
May 6th, 2004, 12:26 PM
"The Trust" (errmm kind of sounds like "The Covenant" and Sydney, Vaughn and Arvin had it first!).


The first thing I thought of was, but we already know who "The Trust" is - we've seen them on Alias! Me thinks they're going to need to change the name.

shelsfc
May 6th, 2004, 02:14 PM
Ooh, I like the sound of this one, especially if it means bringing Sarah back. I'm looking forward to seeing 'the heist to end all heists' too!
Sounds like an interesting episode...

prion
May 6th, 2004, 04:01 PM
Another NID storyline?

Will we ever get the team through the gate again? Seems we're getting stuck with more and more stories of the team on Earth, dealing with politics, love plots, etc.

Maybe we should rename the show "As the Stargate Turns"....
:eek:

DarkQuee1
May 6th, 2004, 04:22 PM
I remember reading something in on GW from a brief interview with Ronny Cox, where he said that he would be resigning as VP (this was before TLC aired) and that he would be still around but sort of freelancing. I wonder if he will be part of this "Trust"?

J.

David85
May 6th, 2004, 05:48 PM
"Maybe we should rename the show "As the Stargate Turns"...."

The problem with that is it never turns, it doesn't ever do anything almore. Wait that does match the sounds of season 8, nothing happens, zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz.


BTW - Wasn't Voyager's last episode called EndGame? And Highlander 2? Both of those suck, I see three strikes and it's out! :D

epiphany
May 6th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Another NID storyline?

Will we ever get the team through the gate again? Seems we're getting stuck with more and more stories of the team on Earth, dealing with politics, love plots, etc.

Maybe we should rename the show "As the Stargate Turns"....
:eek:

Like Sands Through the Hourglass, so are the Days of SG-1....::tootling music in the background::

Gotta give 'em one for that really original episode title too. :)

Beckmen
May 7th, 2004, 03:33 AM
Could be a good episode, but if it's anything like Ressurection, it'll be garbage. Man, that episode left a BAD taste in my mouth.


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Yeah, I read somewhere that Kinsey was still going to be around next year, outside of the political system though. So it could have to do with him, which would be cool IMO. I would also love to see Sarah/Osiris back. There was some speculation that she wasn't properly de-Goa'ulded, and that the episode title Chimera was a hint, something having to do with the mythology of the Chimera story.

Teal'c
May 7th, 2004, 11:17 AM
*smacks everyone who's complaining, very hard*

Wow! So we know that the episode features so ex-NID action, now called "The Trust" (Oh God, it's similar to a name in another show, THEY'RE RIPPING IT OFF!!!), and that it features 'the heist to end all heists'. Sorry if I feel optimistic about this episode, which looks like it will continue on some story lines from loads of episodes (as opposed to Icon, which seems Revisions-ish, but nobody complains because it's about Daniel...).

Now, some good stuff. "The heist to end all heists"? What jumps out at me at first is the Stargate, I mean, what's bigger? (They've already tried Prometheus) BUT Joe's quote doesn't actually say the Trust are performing said heist, what if it's SG-1? I don't know what it would be, but it could be them! :P

And I really hope to see Sarah or Osiris back in this episode (preferably both :D), why don't you all focus on that instead of the *gasp* Two NID episodes!!! :O

zebrok
May 7th, 2004, 11:31 AM
"The Trust" (errmm kind of sounds like "The Covenant" and Sydney, Vaughn and Arvin had it first!), "shadowy international business cabal", "get alien technology" was that this sounds like an episode of "Alias" to me.


Well then Alias sounds like a rip-off of the X-Files and its short lived spin-off Millenium. Its Sci-Fi, and nowadays conspiracy theory is deeply imbedded into any sci-fi show but especially in those based on earth.

As for the ep in particular, here are some more theories
-heist to end all heists has gotta be the Stargate or at least a Stargate, maybe with the help of Prometheus they get one from another planet.
-touching on Chimera, maybe Pete comes in to give a hand because the Trust are civilians
-touching on Last Stand and Summit, probably using that chemical that Daniel used on Yu so that the Trust can infiltrate the SGC or maybe they finally talk about the Goauld eating symbiotes or maybe the Trust got its hands on the Tok'ra poison that kills symbiotes

Just some thoughts...

epiphany
May 7th, 2004, 12:48 PM
As I've said before, plenty of people have complained about the lack of original plot in Icon(I don't know why you say "Revision-ish" sounds far more like a cross between 100 Days and New Ground to most of the rest of us:)) but at least that takes place on another planet, involves The Big Round Thing as an integral part of the plot(as opposed to just a Big Round Secret to be hidden or revealed) and humanity on another world--something I always liked in the original concept of the series which seems to have become almost completely lost, the idea of finding and helping to inform and/or free the descendents of humans taken centuries ago through slavery or misdirection of their beliefs. Helping them to find out part of their true history as well as the interest in seeing how their developmental path diverged from their home world(Earth). How the team's interaction with them changes both them and the members of SG-1, for better and for worse.

Now Icon isn't about that per se but at least it does involve some vague resemblance to that original idea(too bad when they rip themselves off they don't even rip off particularly good episodes, though I did rather like New Ground). Whereas Endgame and most of the other spoilers this season involve being Earthbound, the NID(in one form or another), conspiracy and rogue operations. Affinity is Earthbound(Teal'c gets himself a troubled honey(in keeping the SG-1 Gets L**d theme they seem to have going) and ends up involved in a murder mystery--where's Angela Landsbury when you need her?), Avatar is Earthbound, Lockdown is largely Earthbound, Zero Hour might be half and half depending on how they handle the SG-1 captured scenario.

So far it seems like Icon and New Order might be the only episodes we've heard of so far that have any real focus on what is actually through the Stargate as opposed to the SGC trying to hide the Stargate, keep the Stargate to themselves or tell someone on earth about the Stargate. Making the Stargate a relatively inactive prop, an object to be possessed, a chess piece, as opposed to an active part of the plots. I always had alot of affection for the BRT, it was almost like another character, a fifth member of the team despite being technically inanimate most of the time. :)

prion
May 7th, 2004, 04:05 PM
wait wait, the heist to end all heists? are they copying the Ocean 11's plot? the team travels to another world to break into a vault!!!!!

Why not? At least it would be different.

snore.

TechnoBoY
May 7th, 2004, 04:27 PM
They better have Jennifer Garner guest star. Alias/Stargate crossover! Oh yeah!

the_fours
May 8th, 2004, 03:44 AM
well to me it needs all those aspects to show that the characters are human, and the politics is needed because esentially the stargate is run by the government on the show. IMO, they need the earth bound eps to help the show evolve i mean it is essentially sg-1 so aslong as those characters are in it as far as im concerned its true to the shows title.
Back onto topic i like this episode and the other episodes described for s8 so far, i love the NID and 'the hiest to end all hiests' im certain has somethin to do with the stargate itself.

Taonas
May 8th, 2004, 05:08 AM
"Maybe we should rename the show "As the Stargate Turns"...."

The problem with that is it never turns, it doesn't ever do anything almore. Wait that does match the sounds of season 8, nothing happens, zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz.


BTW - Wasn't Voyager's last episode called EndGame? And Highlander 2? Both of those suck, I see three strikes and it's out! :D
The episode name "Endgame" was also in Babylon 5... And believe me, it was a great episode!

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Endgame was Highlander 4; 2 was The Quickening, 3 was The Sorcerer/The Final Dimension.

If Endgame is to have the 'heist to end all heists', all I can say is that they'd better have Minis.

O'Neill: Barrett! You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!

the_fours
May 8th, 2004, 07:26 AM
id love to see a mini go through the stargate theyd probably fit, id love it if that happened in endgame

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2004, 07:33 AM
id love to see a mini go through the stargate theyd probably fit, id love it if that happened in endgame

"Alright, now floor it, then hit the brakes or we'll be in the peltac!"

the_fours
May 8th, 2004, 08:19 AM
"Alright, now floor it, then hit the brakes or we'll be in the peltac!"

take a right turn at the pyramid and for good sakes dont scratch the paint work if you hit any jaffa.

not that im endorsing running people down

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2004, 08:58 AM
"What? Me in the back of the teltac? With my Asthma?"

I could keep doing this all day.

Is a teltac the Goa'uld equivalent of a Mini, do you think? Small, nippy; a surprising amount of room in the back.

the_fours
May 9th, 2004, 04:35 AM
possibly im just thinking about a group of jaffa chasing sg-1 in a mini hehe

im thinkin of a possible fanfic now, stargate: its a mini adventure

Mr Prophet
May 9th, 2004, 05:19 AM
possibly im just thinking about a group of jaffa chasing sg-1 in a mini hehe

I suppose I was thinking of the guys doing the heist driving the Minis, like in The Italian Job. Unfortunately, that would mean the rogue NID guys, and they don't have any characters left.

And now I see Jack facing off against Kinsey on a mountain road.

Kinsey: Is this your car? Pretty car.

the_fours
May 9th, 2004, 05:39 AM
i know each member of sg-1 in the new mini chasing 'the trust who are in old mini's or vice versa

shockwave
June 24th, 2004, 11:39 AM
spoilers for endgame (810) found on rdanderson.com

Airdate TBA
END GAME
Episode #164 (#10H)
The stargate is missing, and leads point to the Trust, the shadowy figures formerly associated with the rogue NID.
Written by: Joseph Mallozzi and Paul Mullie
Directed by: Peter DeLuise
Guest Starring:

DarkQuee1
June 24th, 2004, 11:48 AM
spoilers for endgame (810) found on rdanderson.com

Airdate TBA
END GAME
Episode #164 (#10H)
The stargate is missing, and leads point to the Trust, the shadowy figures formerly associated with the rogue NID.
Written by: Joseph Mallozzi and Paul Mullie
Directed by: Peter DeLuise
Guest Starring:

First let me say that I've enjoyed all of the NID stuff. I felt that it added complexity and layers to the universe, and reality (because, in real life, something like this project would be fought over mightily). I never felt this show was about "exploration"; that was a sidebar to the real purpose, which was finding allies and tech to fight the Goa'uld. Heck, the series started with an attack on Earth. So, you don't need to go through the gate to be *about* the gate.

"Endgame" sounded interesting off of the one/two-line spoiler that I'd seen (my own feeling is that "Chimera", "Summit" and "Last STand" figure into it in regard to Sarah/Osiris).

All of that said, the quote above did give me whiplash: *the* stargate is missing--not *a* stargate, but *the* stargate. So....no one noticed them taking it out of the gateroom? Slipped it into their briefcase, did they? Disguised it as a large DVD? What?? :p

J.

shockwave
June 24th, 2004, 12:07 PM
maybe some agent of the trust spread some sleeping gas in the SGC, and while everyone was asleep, they stole the stargate :p

Mr Prophet
June 24th, 2004, 12:25 PM
A Trust agent drove up to the front gate at Cheyenne Mountain and asked for directions. While all the members of the SGC were arguing over the best way to get to the zoo a taskforce craned the Stargate out of the mountain and strapped it to the top of a Mini, disguised as a children's paddling pool.

That or they've actually hidden it behind a big painted cloth and are planning to sneak it out while everyone's searching for it.

Teal'c
June 24th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I reckon that the "Trust" found the ship Osiris came to Earth in (Chimera) and used the Asgard technology from it to steal the Stargate right out of the Gate Room. Sarah may be brought in to find where Osiris left the ship (presumably cloaked)...

Wass
June 24th, 2004, 01:47 PM
I reckon that the "Trust" found the ship Osiris came to Earth in (Chimera) and used the Asgard technology from it to steal the Stargate right out of the Gate Room. Sarah may be brought in to find where Osiris left the ship (presumably cloaked)...

Good theory but how did they get hold of the Osiris ship it must have been in space therefore SGC must have known about although I do agree with you that Sarah may appear in this episode.

Torley
June 24th, 2004, 01:58 PM
SPOILERS of course...






Yeah I thought Osiris was outta Sarah's body now, so what did they do to the original snake-thing? (Did they say for sure they handed it over to the Tok'ra?) Fling it back through the wormhole to get a new host? I must say I like Osiris-possessing-Sarah more than the normal Sarah, those mannerisms and the rich voice are flanged and augmented so nicely :) Not to mention Osiris looks like she has a better sense of cosmetics and fashion and isn't exactly down-to-Earth in that regard ;)

Yo, you know what I would like to see? Okay, those intergalactic gangstas, da Asgard, weren't too happy the first time the rogue N.I.D. were taking their bling-bling. This time, Supreme Commander Thor and buddies could come to Earth and lay the smackdown on the N.I.D. heinie, maybe bust a few caps! Rappin' Asgard, watching them bounce around in a VW bug or a big SUV with chrome wheels and full-out hydraulics during that chase... That would be crunk! :D

Teal'c
June 24th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Good theory but how did they get hold of the Osiris ship it must have been in space therefore SGC must have known about although I do agree with you that Sarah may appear in this episode.
Could have easily been landed somewhere in a big field...

Mr Prophet
June 24th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Good theory but how did they get hold of the Osiris ship it must have been in space therefore SGC must have known about although I do agree with you that Sarah may appear in this episode.

Well, remember that the ship must have a cloaking device or they would have noticed it while it was in orbit. This would obviously make it hard for the Trust to find it, unless - perchance - they used a cracked communication sphere to contact the ship and make its crew the offer of getting them their god back.